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This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," January 18, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DAVID WEBB, HOST: I'm David Webb in for Laura Ingraham and this is a special edition of “The Ingraham Angle” DC disfunction. Like so many other purported bomb shells, the BuzzFeed's latest claiming that the President directed his former attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress hit a wall tonight.

For much of the past 24 hours, the breathless coverage has sounded like this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is probably one of the most serious pieces of reporting in the 2 plus years of this Russia investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The question of impeachment seems to now be a question of timing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's a very strong argument to be made that this is a high crime or misdemeanor for which impeachment maybe a possibility. Obstruction of justice and perjury to Congress are right there in the heart of impeachment territory.

Historically it's a beeline to impeachment, right? Michael Cohen once again puts another nail in that coffin for this President.

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WEBB: And just this morning, the lead reporter on the case was saying this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How confident are you that they actually exist - that this is true?

JASON LEOPOLD, REPORTER, BUZZFEED: I don't think that we've said that we haven't seen them. But I will say that I'm very confident that they exist.

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WEBB: 100%? Tonight Special counsel Bob Mueller's office took the very, very rare step of publicly commenting on the story. For the latest details, we're joined now by Trace Gallagher live in our West coast newsroom. Trace.

TRACE GALLAGHER, REPORTER: Good evening David. Robert Mueller. Special Counsel as you said, he's issued statements about as often as Halley's comet flies by so clearly Team Mueller felt an urgency to quickly knock this down saying and I'm quoting here, "BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel's office and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office regarding Michael Cohen's congressional testimony are not accurate."

That's critical because BuzzFeed literally laid this at the door of the Special Counsel saying, "The Special Counsel's office learned about Trump's directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump organization and internal company emails, text messages and a cache of other documents.

But one of the reporters who wrote the piece admitted, he never saw the alleged damning documents but he did say the special counsel is the one who brought this to Michael Cohen. Watch him.

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ANTHONY CORMIER, REPORTER, BUZZFEED NEWS: It's our understanding they presented this to him and began asking questions based off of it, then he acknowledge in his interview. yes indeed, I was directed by the President.

GALLAGHER: Yet tonight BuzzFeed is saying, "We stand by our reporting and the sources who informed it, and we urge the Special Counsel to make clear what he's disputing." And tonight the Editor in Chief of BuzzFeed was on CNN. Listen.

BEN SMITH, EDITOR IN CHIEF, BUZZFEED: I do think what they did here is just extremely confusing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Confusing in what way?

SMITH: To all of us. I mean confusing that it's not you know - a day after the story's published, they come out with this very - both a very detailed and very opaque statement to them.

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GALLAGHER: Meantime, Michael Cohen isn't commenting but earlier Cohen's Legal Adviser Lanny Davis was steering clear of BuzzFeed altogether, watch.

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LANNY DAVIS, ATTORNEY, MICHAEL COHEN: Mr. Cohen and myself neither deny nor confirm, we're just not commenting on the story and I'm adding today another comment, he had nothing to do with the writing of this story. He didn't initiate the story, it was done by independent reporting so the story stands on its own.

GALLAGHER: And Buzzfeed has long had credibility issues including multiple accusations of plagiarizing and stealing original content BuzzFeed also published the uncorroborated and salacious Steele Dossier which was labeled an unverified smear of President Trump.

And Jason Leopold, the other reporter who wrote this piece is the same person who back in 2006, wrote the then deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove had been indicted by a grand jury. Here's Carl.

KARL ROVE, FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR TO GEORGE W. BUSH: This is a sensational story, if true problematic but anything that has Jason Leopold's name on it, particularly when it is anonymous sources, it strikes me as something we ought to wait and make a judgment about later.

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GALLAGHER: Even Democrats eager to impeach the President had qualified their comments earlier saying if the information is true which apparently it is not and 24 hours after BuzzFeed ran the story, nobody, not a single media outlet matched their reporting and now we know why. David.

WEBB: Trace, thanks, great reporting. Joining me now Wisconsin Congressman Sean Duffy, Kimberly Strassel, member of the Wall Street journal editorial board and a Fox news contributor and David Morey, former adviser to Barack Obama's 2008 Presidential campaign.

You know David, let me go to you first on this. This is a track record of problematic reporting and it was the breathless reporting by many on the left, the Congressmen, the pundits today, national security analysts on networks, all ready for impeachment and here we are. So what happens?

DAVID MOREY, FORMER OBAMA CAMPAIGN ADVISER: Yeah, David, yeah, I would say that - you know earlier today, I was telling the folks on MSNBC to slow down. I would say to the friends on Fox news as well to slow down as well. This is a cautionary tale, we got a long way to go here to see what Robert Mueller has and doesn't have.

Remember the reporting from Ben Smith, the editor of BuzzFeed said, we're going to stay tuned, you were going to re-report the story, let's see, a stray said, no other independent journalist outlets have been able to corroborate the story.

Let's see if they're able to do so as we dig deeper here. I suspect one of the reasons that finally the Mueller team said something is they're concerned a little more about the sourcing than the substance.

There was an illusion that Mueller's team talked and that may not be the case, these two independents sources that are quoted in the article, maybe something not attached to the Mueller team.

I would make one more quick point, the Southern District has been much more aggressive, talking about what the President did or didn't or possibly directed versus the Mueller team. This really underlines, we all got to wait for the Mueller report to come out, that's the pivot point here.

WEBB: Well, Kimberley to you, they have not been waiting, the breathless reporting, the end result and then rarely a retraction.

KIMBERLEY STRASSEL, WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL BOARD: Yeah, I only wish people were waiting, you know look, I'm still waiting for Adam Schiff. Two years ago he claimed that the committee that he's on in Congress had definitive proof that Trump engaged in collusion, we've still yet to see it.

We've got McClatchy reporters out there claiming that Michael Cohen was in Prague, even though Michael Cohen says he never had been there and the Special Counsel's documents suggest they found no evidence that he ever was.

So yeah it would be great if people slow down but look, why did everyone jump on this, I think this is important. The reason people got breathless is because there were claims in the story that there was text messages and evidence, something that went beyond Michael Cohen's word.

Also the belief that this was a new bite at the obstruction apple, given that the whole hope that they could get Trump on obstruction for firing Comey doesn't seem to be panning out so that's I think what inspired everyone latching on to this but cautionary tale indeed.

Why don't we just sit tight and wait and see what Bob Mueller has to say.

WEBB: That would be a great wish Kimberley and I wish people would wait by the way, the President just tweeting about this and Sean react to this, the President tweeting, "Remember it was BuzzFeed that released the totally discredited "Dossier," paid for by Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Democrats as opposition research (ph), on which the entire Russian probe is based! A very sad day for journalism, but a great day for our Country!"

Sean, you're down there on the hill and you've seen this play out, respond to the President's tweets.

REP. SEAN DUFFY, R-WIS.: So David, I don't know that a lot of your viewers actually go to BuzzFeed and see what's on this website so they run these salacious articles and they turn out not to be true but that's not all they run.

Just if you had realised from today David, on BuzzFeed, they have a policy that says 14 dogs from this week you'll treasure forever. Another 20 cats from this week who graced the internet with their presence and a third one, 19 absolutely beautifully poached eggs, I literally want to marry.

That's what you get from BuzzFeed and now to CNN, MSNBC and all the other outlets are sourcing and running all day long about how Donald Trump if true is going to be impeached, the bottom line is the left wing media, they love the stuff because they want to impeach Donald Trump, they hate his voters, they hate him, if they can't impeach him, what they're going to do is make sure he doesn't get re-elected in 2020.

WEBB: So Kimberley and David, I'm going to get back to you on the delegitimization of President Trump reports but Kimberley, is BuzzFeed really about click bait then, whether it's true or not, unsourced, unnamed sources?

STRASSEL: Well, this is a problem, I think a lot of the journalism industry has and it goes all the way back to even before Donald Trump came in. I think the journalism sector has really lowered the bar on what used to be basic standards even going so far as sometimes when they would say they were anonymous sources, they would at least say for instance what branch they belong to, what department they were talking to, whether or not these were retired officials that they were speaking to or current officials.

Now we just get according to officials, we don't know who, what, where, are they officials at the DMV or maybe they're officials at the at the Justice department, maybe they've been out of politics for ten years, we don't know and it really does diminish the ability for people to judge the credibility of stories.

One of the really important things--

WEBB: Do you really care about credibility, David, to Kimberly's point, do they care about credibility?

MOREY: Yeah, I think people are searching and hungering for credibility, they're looking for where they can get some truth and there's examples on the far left and the far right if not finding that (inaudible) of spinning and we just have to be diligent.

I think this is a rough day for journalism, let's see how it all plays out over the long term, it's a call to go even higher in their standards, to double-triple check multiple sources, we all have our favorite places to go to get truth, they all got to step up their game.

I would say we got to slow down and not celebrate and wait for Mueller's report to come out and when it comes to Bob Mueller, I don't want to tell him what to do but he should speed up. Let's get this thing going here.

WEBB: All right, so Sean, there have been requests for speeding up reports, request FISA, I mean, there has been foyer activity in Washington related to all of this but yet, we're two years plus into this.

DUFFY: And I agree with David, I mean listen, let's get this investigation down, let's get the report out and let's have the media pump the brakes a little bit and be a little more cautious on the reporting. I think that would serve the media better and the American people better.

But I think the message from what happened today, is there will be more fake mainstream media stories out about Donald Trump and my fear is that if Bob Mueller now doesn't come out and discredit those stories and then the Left wing media will say, see David, it must be true because Bob Mueller didn't discredit it.

And I think that's the game play moving forward.

WEBB: All right, so Kimberley back to you because now Chris Cuomo speaking of the media now on CNN tonight, saying that Bob Mueller did a disservice to this so where does this go from here?

STRASSEL: Well, that's new, criticism about Mueller you know--

WEBB: Yes, I mean, a Democrat's going to throw Bob Mueller under the bus and attack him.

STRASSEL: No, look, here's what this highlights and I think it gets to the comment was just wait, we need to wrap this up, Okay? This is become - in my view a lot of what's happened in Special Counsel's probe has been very disruptive and problematic but the longer it goes on and now with the Democrats in Congress, and look that's a fundamental an important change in dynamics because I have no doubt that one reason Bob Mueller decided he needed to issue a statement is because Democrats immediately said, they were going to investigate this.

And that's a serious question so that's going to continue. Every time there's another one of these unsourced story, here is my help that Bill Barr comes in as the Attorney General and he sets a deadline, he doesn't say he's going to impede, he doesn't say you know, you can't do this or that but he's going to say, look, this needs to be finished by this date.

Date certain, let's finish this up and move on.

WEBB: Well, we could all hope for that but I don't know if we're going to ever see it. Sean, Kimberley, David, thank you, this is just the beginning of the next cycle panel. Thank you. Now I do want to drill down on one of the authors in this piece, Jason Leopold. You heard what we played earlier that he's confident this bomb shell and "bombshell" report was true and even BuzzFeed stood by him.

"Jason is one of the best journalists in the world and he has proven it. BuzzFeed news stands by this story 100%." Oops, you'd probably want to walk that back now. BuzzFeed was wish casting so hard on this story but before coming out with that statement, they should have checked into his troubled past of making up sources.

Goes all the way back to the Bush administration and his work then. His problems were so bad, even the Columbia journalism review, recognized and respected, once accused Leopold of being a fabulist.

One of the targets of his shoddy reporting, former George W. Bush adviser Karl Rove sounded off earlier today to my colleague Dana Perino.

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ROVE: Jason Leopold wrote a story for BuzzFeed saying that I had been indicted by a grand jury. He recreated a tearful moment in the Oval office in which I told President Bush, I was about ready to be indicted. Said that I told members of the White House staff that I was going to soon be indicted.

And all heck broke loose. It was simply not true, there is not an element of truth in it. Either as to the indictment, to the grand jury, to the meeting with the President, you name it.

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WEBB: Now here's a guy I trust in media and he's here to break it down for us, media reporter and columnist for ‘The Hill,' Joe Concha. Joe, click bait is what I'm calling it. Where does BuzzFeed go from this? It's a huge blow or is it a huge blow?

JOE CONCHA, REPORTER AND COLUMNIST, THE HILL: Yeah David, I don't see how they get out from the 10 count off the mat, to use a boxing term because not only now do you have the Special Counsel who never has weighed in on any news reports up until now, refuting this story but even Ronan Farrow said, "yeah, I thought about going down this road but given the source that BuzzFeed appeared to have used here, I walked away from the story."

Then even the New York Times said that their sources tell them that Donald Trump never instructed, never instructed, Michael Cohen to lie in this situation so it really is falling apart at this point.

You know what the tell was for me David, early today and you played the clip before where you had Anthony Cormier who is a solid reporter by all accounts telling CNN that he didn't see the damning evidence that was used in the story and then you have Jason Leopold on MSNBC telling Hallie Jackson that, "Oh, no, no, no, we've seen the evidence. In other words the two reporters on it saw it. So excuse me - so somebody is lying here obviously.

And now it's all falling apart and look, another tell as well, law enforcement officials in the story said they were involved in an investigation as this was pointed out by Anthony McCarthy earlier on Tucker Carlson show meaning maybe not the Russia investigation but some other investigations.

To Kimberley's point, we don't know who these law enforcement officials are. Are they at the top of the ring, are they outside the loop, we don't know so again it's a matter of being first instead of accurate and treating gossip as gospel.

And now here we are once again, one of the biggest black eyes that we've seen in journalism and this reminds me a lot David of the Michael Flynn story by AB - then ABC news reporter, investigative reporter Brian Ross using one source saying that Donald Trump during the campaign had directed Flynn to reach out to the Russians. Brian Ross is no longer with ABC. Boy, this feels a lot like that David.

WEBB: You know what Joe, it keeps repeating and over the years you've talked about this, we've covered these issues across the spectrum and it keeps happening so is there a lesson not being learned here or is this really so badly aligned against Donald Trump that they will put anything out there, knowing that they will feed the beast.

CONCHA: That's the thing. Whenever these mistakes are made, they always seem to go in one direction, don't they David. They're always negative, towards this administration, you never see any positive mistakes for instance being made about the Trump administration or this President.

I'll leave you with this, Axios' SurveyMonkey, 65% in this poll said that fake news is usually reported because "people have an agenda." That's what the American people think, 2 out of 3 think that fake news is reported because people have an agenda. 3% think it happens just by accident so the public perception of media, not just Republicans but the American people in general, outside of the rabid partisans, think that news reporters are not only just making mistakes and being sloppy but actually have an agenda and are making things up, it's incredible.

And by the way David, congratulations to you for getting the guest hosting spot tonight despite being the benefits of white privilege. I mean, I think that that's remarkable that here you are sitting as a beneficiary of white privilege.

WEBB: By the way, for the record, Joe was one of the first people to hear that story when that happened on my show. I know you got a call from our mutual friend, Dave. We'll see what they do with it. Joe, always good to talk to you.

CONCHA: I'll reveal the source. I went to high school with our mutual friend Dave so there you go.

WEBB: And he's my boss so there you go now we've reported properly on my white privilege.

CONCHA: Transparently. Say, it isn't hard.

WEBB: Coming up - yeah we need a laugh in this environment folks.

Coming up, the war of words between Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi intensifies. What she accused the President off? That's next plus a live report from inside Mexico as the Guatemalan caravan which has been gaining ground and gaining people gained easy access to the country. That and more when this special edition of Ingraham Angle continues.

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TRUMP: Without a strong border America's defenseless, vulnerable and unprotected.

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WEBB: All right, Democrats have gone after Trump for some ridiculous things. It's just fact. But you won't believe this absurd claim for Nancy Pelosi after the President pulled the plug on her overseas trip you know, the one where you, the taxpayers were footing the bill for them, Pelosi and the other Democrats.

Well, they decided to fly commercial. Plans for that trip were allegedly leaked to the media and Pelosi is now blaming the White House. I know you're shocked. Yes, the Speaker of the House actually accusing the President of the United States of endangering a group of congressmen. Hits on really. You got to watch this.

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REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF., SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We had a report from Afghanistan that the President outing our trip had made the scene on the ground much more dangerous because it's just a signals to the bad actors that we're coming.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To make that type of activation, it is outrageous that she would accuse the President of the United States of putting any life in jeopardy. In fact, the reason he didn't want her to go was because he's trying to protect American citizens.

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WEBB: All right, now joining me nationally syndicated columnist Adriana Cohen and Democratic Strategist Scott Levenson. Scott, how can Pelosi possibly, possibly, make this claim without having the evidence to back it up?

SCOTT LEVENSON, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, she says very clearly she was told by folks in Afghanistan that this was the case. What I'm unclear about is, are we not sure that the President is being petty, are we not sure that he's being un-presidential, both of which he proves every day or are we not sure that he's putting Americans in harm's way.

His callous statements about ISIS in the previous weeks put Americans in harm's way so he has a habit of misstating, speaking off the cuff in ways that endanger Americans. This was a--

WEBB: so isn't she being a little bit petty, Scott?

LEVENSON: If I could just finish.

WEBB: --By her statement.

LEVENSON: I actually think what's remarkable is, it's no one goes to Afghanistan to have a good time. No one goes to Afghanistan on some kind of political junket so to frame this as if it's some kind of taxpayer boondoggle is silly.

These are congressional delegates going to learn about what's going on in Afghanistan, that should be respected for what it is.

WEBB: All right, so for the record and I think a lot of people in the audience know this. I've been to Afghanistan on official trips. I went there in 2013, I went through military so I landed at Bagram.

She would have landed at Kabul airport and I spent time on that flight line with the Airforce team that was building it, the 15-nation team led by General Michelle so I know the report. Also when you book that many commercial flights, Adriana, when you do that it is public knowledge, there's nothing to leak.

People just have to leak, people just have to put in their common sense so tit-for-tat, petty, she's accusing the President of being petty but this is not information that's being hidden or secure or when you book that many commercial.

ADRIANA COHEN, NATIONALLY SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Absolutely, I mean Steve, are you kidding me?

LEVENSON: Scott.

COHEN: Do you actually think that the American people wouldn't notice that all these higher ranking Democrats disappeared during the government shutdown. I mean, you've got to be kidding me. Obviously the American people would know that this happened.

LEVENSON: Why am I kidding you? I mean, it's clear that the Speaker of the House - listen, who knew? Did you know? Before the President said anything, did you know? So clearly--

WEBB: Let her finish.

COHEN: If they struck this trip--

WEBB: Scott, I'm sorry.

LEVENSON: It's okay .

COHEN: --the American people would have known about it. And here's what I know, is that Nancy Pelosi's number one responsibility is to the American people and is to keep our citizens safe.

LEVENSON: Correct.

COHEN: It is not the time for her to be jetting off overseas during a government shutdown-

LEVENSON: I'm sorry, what time is appropriate?

COHEN: --800,000 American workers are not getting paid. She should be securing the borders, stopping drugs from coming in, stop cartels--

LEVENSON: How about we end the shutdown if you're that concerned about the 800,000 workers, why don't we just end the shutdown.

WEBB: Okay, so to that point Steve, to that point.

LEVENSON: Scott.

WEBB: How do you end the shutdown if you don't stay in Washington and do the work? Now put aside the tit-for-tat and the pettiness, whatever anyone wants to call it. Nancy Pelosi, congressional delegation, by the way, all their staffers are being paid.

The White House employees, a lot of them are already furloughed so that's a difference going on right there so the congressmen and senators have their full staffs, full budgets so they're not in Washington doing the work while saying, they're concerned about the people being furloughed.

LEVENSON: But it's clear-

WEBB: So how do you reconcile that with her actions--

LEVENSON: Because it's just disingenuous that when the President created a crisis on the southern border that never existed in the first place, that lead to--

WEBB: How did he manufacture the crisis?

LEVENSON: Because there is no crisis on the southern border. It doesn't exist, it's a myth.

COHEN: Are you kidding me?

LEVENSON: No one is hiding under that table.

WEBB: Hang on, hang on, let me go to Adriana on this because the numbers tell a different story. 60,000 people over the last three months, an increase, significant increase in children being brought here.

LEVENSON: All security personnel speak to the other border crossings as being more porous than our southern border so why don't we look at a comprehensive way of dealing with undocumented work--

WEBB: So let me ask you - hang on, hang on.

LEVENSON: Okay.

WEBB: If walls don't work, where is the Democrat calling for taking down the existing wall, then I want to go to Adriana. Where is the Democrat, if they don't work, why don't you want to take down the existing wall?

LEVENSON: Because what we actually are talking about is a comprehensive approach to immigration, a path to citizenship, that's what's required, not this demagoguing that's going on out of the White House about--

WEBB: All right, I've got to get a quick one from Adriana so I can wrap this. Put aside all these other issues, go back to where we were.

COHEN: It's not a manufactured crisis. I trust our border patrol, I trust ICE, they're all patriots, they're telling politicians, we need help, we need the wall, we need increased security so this is not coming from you know out of thin air, this is from the people on the ground who risk their lives for their country, every single day.

LEVENSON: Who all say there are other border crossings that are more porous. Every one of them says it.

WEBB: All right guys, I've got to wrap it here like Congress, this is not going to be resolved any time soon but Scott, Adriana, I want to thank you. Sorry about mixing your name up there, the passion of the moment.

LEVENSON: Of course.

WEBB: Thank you both panel. I thought Mexico was supposed to help us stop these dangerous migrant caravans before they get to the U.S. border. Matter of fact, Olga Sanchez Cordero, their interior minister said they were going to do that.

Well, I guess not. Take a look at this video. One-thousand migrants just walking across the border from Guatemala into Mexico after the gates were left wide open. FOX's Steve Harrigan is in Tapachula, Mexico, with the latest. Steve?

STEVE HARRIGAN, CORRESPONDENT: David, this is what it looks like when the caravan comes to your town. We're about 10 miles over that border just in the predawn hours. As you explained, that border inexplicably left wide open, about 1,000 migrants crossing with no check of their documents whatsoever. That situation changed after a short time. Documents were being checked. The migrants were given wristbands and told they have to wait five days for a visa to Mexico.

But keep in mind, this border is still wide open for the caravan even after that five-day wait. The president of Mexico, a leftist, Lopez Obrador, has said these people will be treated humanely. And when you talk to them, really the main goal is not to say here in Mexico but to keep going onto the U.S. That is where they want to go. When you talk to them almost to a person, they'll say we'll get there to the U.S. to work it's legal or illegal. For many, it's a sense they can't go back again. They do not intend to go back.

And keep in mind, this is the second major caravan. The first one had 7,000, this one has about 2,000 spread out. And it's not the last one. Already even as we speak, two more caravans are coming. They are being formed right now in Honduras. So while the Mexican president says we're going to treat you humanely, you could get a sense that the people of Mexico, you see what happens to small towns like this when suddenly you have 1,000 people sleeping on the street, this is the second time here, and it's going to happen again and again in these small Mexican towns as these caravans continue to march forward to the U.S. border. David, back to you.

WEBB: Steve, thanks for that report.

Now here with his reaction, Hector Garza, a Border Patrol agent and vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. Hector, it's been a while. Great to talk to you again here on "The Ingraham Angle." What Steve just said about what happens in the march to the towns, to the localities, that's rarely covered. On this network we do, but they don't talk about the effect of this march on all of the people that pass by in those neighborhoods.

HECTOR GARZA, VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: We have to think about that. We have this caravan that's coming through Mexico right now. We have more caravans that are forming in Central America. But let's not forget that we have been seeing a caravan coming through south Texas. Our agents are apprehending anywhere from 500 to 1,000 illegal aliens that are coming into the country. We just saw a couple of days ago in the Yuma sector where three border patrol agents came across 376 illegal aliens that crossed the border over there. So it's definitely a humanitarian crisis, and it's causing a lot of problems not only for migrants but for our agents and for the American public.

WEBB: Here's something that's also not talked about, not only the effect during the migrant march, but they are going to run into if they go towards Tijuana already some 1,000 to 2,000, the numbers vary, migrants that are there from the last caravan. So this is like the waves splashing up against a border that the president may well close, or if they go to someplace else, they end up with annunciation, housed, they get released into the El Paso community. So this issue is just continuing to grow. What needs to be done about it now? And is Mexico going to be any help or are they just going to pass through as usual?

GARZA: So clearly Mexico needs to do more on their part in stopping these people from coming through their country like a free pass. You saw the reporter saying that the gates were wide open. So Mexico definitely needs to do something about that and not allow these people to come through the country and encourage them to come through this country.

Now, the other thing is we need to talk about those physical barriers that we have been calling for as Border Patrol agents. And I want to make it very clear that these physical borders we are calling for barriers in strategic locations to make sure that we can help our border patrol agents enforce the law and make sure we can stop these types of caravans, but also the dangerous of these drugs.

Now, these migrants are coming to this country because it's clear, rampant abuse of our immigration system. They know that if they just say a few key words to our border agents, they're going to try to qualify for asylum, and they are going to be released into the U.S. And unfortunately, we cannot - -

WEBB: Hector, if I can pause you there and interject. This is an important series of numbers. The $5.7 billion request, all the other things that re requested in FY 2019 by the administration, immigration, judges, all the things that you guys have asked for, in your report to the president to Congress, it includes what needs to be done about the process for these migrants when they cross over into the U.S. illegally. So is that being done? Are we handling the flow and the flood, or do we need an immediate surge?

GARZA: So clearly, it's a national crisis, it's a humanitarian crisis that we are seeing on the border. Our agents are undermanned. We don't have the resources to care for these people. And the flow is not stopping. There are some changes that need to be done at the Congressional level, but think about it. We can't even get our government open. How can we expect for Congress to close the immigration loopholes that these people are exploiting? It's just out of control. And seriously, our Congressional leaders need to get their act together to make sure that we stop this. We need to stop encouraging illegal immigration, and we need to get serious about border security.

WEBB: We certainly do need to do that. Hector Garza, Hector, great to see you again. Keep your voice out there. We need your expertise and your input.

The president, by the way, will make a major announcement tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. on border security, so we'll keep you updated on that right here on the channel.

Stay right here. Up next, Tony Perkins and Congressman Mike Kelly from Pennsylvania's third district, they join me to react to the dueling fortunes and messages at the March for Life and that Women's March when the special edition of "Ingraham Angle" continues.

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BEN SHAPIRO: The media will ignore us because they always do. They will cover other marches, the five people who show up tomorrow.

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BEN SHAPIRO: Righteousness doesn't have to be popular. It just has to be righteous.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Today I have signed a letter to Congress to make clear that if they send any legislation to my desk that weakens the protection of human life, I will issue a veto.

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WEBB: Tens of thousands marching today at our nation's capital. They are there to protest the 1974 Supreme Court Roe versus Wade decision advocating for women to choose life, not abortion. But this is how the liberal media framed today's event. "The Washington Post" headline saying, and I quote, "March for life says it's pro-science despite medical consensus favoring abortion access."

Here now to react, Tony Perkins, he's the president of the Family Research Council, and Mike Kelly, my good friend and the congressman from Pennsylvania's third district. Gentlemen, great to see you both. Tony, first to you. By the way, the march, the longest running march in Washington successful. Americans have a belief, a right, they exercise it. And they do so peacefully. And yet they are attacked for their beliefs.

TONY PERKINS, PRESIDENT, FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL: Well, David, I'm glad you didn't get your numbers from the media. I was there and it was tens of thousands of people there. The media reports, in fact I think one of them said it was over 1,000 people. I guess they're safe. It was tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. And you're right, it has been going on 46 years, 45 years as people show up for these marches.

And it is a message that we want to see the court reigned in when it comes to the issue of life, but it's more than that. It is a march to change the hearts and minds of people, which I would say we have seen tremendous progress in the last 46 years. In fact, I believe very soon, we will see America once again being a predominantly pro-life nation. And, despite what they say, science is on our side.

WEBB: Well, the headlines a bit disjointed, if you will, Mike, because it really isn't one reference into the other. You were there. We talked about this earlier on my radio show. Your observations?

REP. MIKE KELLY, R-PENN.: My observations, and there are so many people that show up in Washington for many different causes. I would suggest that somebody or anybody who has never been to the March for Life, if you want to see stark contrast between people who love life, people who have so much peace and love in their hearts, if you were to say that group -- and I'm with Mr. Perkins. There's hundreds of thousands there, we talked about it earlier about it being undercounted, unreported. When you look at the faces of the people who come to Washington not in anger, not in hate, but in hope that can reverse a decision, it happened so long ago, and we keep saying, my goodness, in the United States of America, 2,500 to 3,000 abortions a day. We recoil anytime we hear of any disaster around the world or loss of life, but with this we sit back and we watch it happen, and it's OK because the Supreme Court said it was OK.

But I've got to tell you, it is the faces of those people that you see, all age ranges, by the way, and I was in mass this morning. I was just so good to sit there among a group of people who were there for the same reason, and that was pro-life.

WEBB: All right, so gentlemen, we have the Women's March coming up. And Tamika Mallory, one of the organizers, this is a march that has fallen apart after the obvious, the public images of Linda Sarsour, the relationship to Louis Farrakhan, and Tamika Mallory, by the way, let's watch what she had to say when she was taken to task.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why call him the greatest of all time?

TAMIKA MALLORY, CO-PRESIDENT OF THE WOMEN'S MARCH: I didn't call him the greatest of all time because of his rhetoric. I called him the greatest of all time because of what he has done in black communities.

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WEBB: By the way, that is a reaction, and I guess you'd want to call it a statement, about Louis Farrakhan, one of the most hateful people in America. Tony, First Amendment rights, right to advocate for your cause, but the women's march has been violent, it has been vile, and yet they are falling apart and the March for Life isn't.

PERKINS: You're right. Absolutely. And as Mike was saying, I was there at the march earlier today. The last 15 years I've been at the March for Life. And unfortunately, one time I got caught up in the women's march. I wasn't there intentionally, but I will tell you there is a stark contrast. It's not just a stark contrast in the marches and the behavior but really in underlying ideas.

And as Mike was sagging, we are marching for life, it's hope, it's love. And they were criticized today because of the embracing of science. And the science does underscore the potential and the presence of human life. And the left, they are mocking that, but the left treats the science like a smorgasbord where they can pick and choose what they want. And when it comes to babies and bathrooms, they reject science flat out.

WEBB: Mike, we've only got a few seconds left, my friend. A message to the folks out there from you?

KELLY: I would just say look at the stark difference between the people and who comes to Washington for what reasons they come to Washington. There is an incredible passion for life in this country. There always has been.

David, after the march left the capital today, there were note trash barrels that were upset. There was nothing on fire. There were no windows broken or doors torn off their hinges. It was a coming together of people who love life. What better is the personification of America than that pursuit of life and happiness? It is just so much who we are. You just wonder --

WEBB: Mike, I have got to pause you there. Thank my friend.

KELLY: Thank you, David. Thank you, Tony. Thank you.

WEBB: Mike, Tony, thank you both. All right, guys, thank you so much.

Coming up, it's not just the left pushing identity politics in 2020, the liberal media, they're getting on board with the war on, yes, white men. We'll show you how when this special edition of "Ingraham Angle" continues.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another white male, I'm very suspect of that this year going into a Democratic primary with women doing well and the African- Americans base of the Democratic Party. I'm not sure it's the time to nominate a white man.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Is it time to have somebody of color and a woman, and somebody younger. But as a white guy, are you trying to calculate whether or not this is the right time for you?

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WEBB: It's a nagging issue that has completely enveloped the Democratic Party, and frankly, the media apparatus. Can you be white, or even worse, a white male and win the nomination? The obsession took on a whole new level of absurdity with the publishing of this piece from CNN's political reporter Nia-Malika Henderson. "Beto's excellent adventure trips with white male privilege."

Here now with reaction, Candace Owens, communications director of Turning Point USA, and Dee Dawkins-Haigler, who is a former Georgia state legislator and a Democratic strategist.

Ladies, let's get into it. By the way, apparently this week I am the newest thing in white privilege thanks to Areva Martin, who is Kamala Harris' close confidante and friend. Candace, you and I covered something similar to this and where we are in false narratives on FOX Nations. But this is identity politics on steroids, isn't it?

CANDACE OWENS, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, TURNING POINTS USA: Absolutely. Sometimes I like to challenge myself and just switch the words "black" and "white" and see what you would come up with. You would say that it was discriminatory, you would say that it was racist. If black men in this country were discussed in the same that white are men discussed today, this nation would be up in arms. There would be another civil war, and there's no question about that.

But I think that this is sort of part and parcel of what the left has become. Every election cycle they drum up this imaginary enemy, this bogeyman. I think in the 2016 election cycle it was definitely police officers, and I think that we are seeing that they're going to continue this push on trying to attack white men so people aren't actually thinking about the issues, plain and simple.

WEBB: So Dee, are the Democrats and Democrat Party leadership doing themselves any favors? Robert O'Rourke, he goes by Beto, why is he being attacked for who he is?

DEE DAWKINS-HAIGLER, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think because America historically has basically had white men at the helm of all politics. And I think when you talk about identity politics, we can't just look at race. We also have to look at gender. And we know that the Democratic Party is the big tent. However, historically minorities have been discriminated against, and not just the Democratic Party. But look also in the Republican Party. In the 115th Congress you have only one African-American serving in the United States Senate that is a Republican. We only have two in the Democratic side, but still --

WEBB: But Dee, who sets the requirements for this? You have one of the most powerful groups in politics in this country called the Congressional Black Caucus. They are almost a protected class in Washington. They have a lot of power. Frederica Wilson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, the list goes on. And you've got a new generation in Cory Booker and others. So is it really about victimization and victimhood? A quick one from you, then I want to go to Candace.

DAWKINS-HAIGLER: It's not even about victimization. It's about looking like America. The Democratic Party looks like America. The Republican party does not. So the Republican Party needs to have an internal discussion within themselves to say how can we make our party look like America.

WEBB: OK, so Candace, do we have to look like the right mix? Is it 17 percent Hispanic, 12 percent black --

OWENS: No. No.

WEBB: -- this percent women? Who sets these standards? And isn't it about qualifications? Isn't about what you are capable of, what your skill sets are, and how you serve your community regardless of which party you come from?

OWENS: That's exactly right. And look, here is what the left wants you to believe. They want you to think that diversity is everybody looking differently but thinking the same. The only true diversity is intellectual, and there is none nonetheless. There are no disputes on the left. They're all in lockstep.

I always find it a little bit strange when you encounter a black woman like Dee, who knows the history of her party who brought us the KKK, Jim Crow laws, absolutely no progress has been accomplished.

DAWKINS-HAIGLER: Oh, my goodness.

OWENS: The fact they've had our vote for the last six decades, and they stand up here and they bold face tell you that the left will help the black race in some regard. That is just dishonest. But here's the thing --

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DAWKINS-HAIGLER: But let's be very clear, Candace. The white man brought the KKK --

OWENS: They are losing the black vote. They know despite the rhetoric. No, they did not. The Democrats brought you the KKK. So that's dishonest. I'm going to call you out on that right now.

DAWKINS-HAIGLER: No, baby, white men brought you the KKK. Have you ever seen a black man wear a white hood?

OWENS: Your choosing to be dishonest --

WEBB: Ladies, ladies, nobody can hear you if you are talking over each other.

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WEBB: Ladies, timeout, timeout, timeout, ladies.

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WEBB: Timeout. Dee. Dee, Candace, timeout. Timeout.

OWENS: Dee, I didn't cut you off.

WEBB: Timeout. You're just wasting time right now on TV.

OWENS: I'm finishing my statement.

WEBB: Candace, could you finish your thought. Dee, I'll give you a chance for a quick response. Go ahead, Candace.

WEBB: Thank you, I certainly would like to. Everybody understands the history, any black person that knows their history knows at the helm of any racist act in this country Democrats were in control of of it. Now they are trying to seize the narrative and make us think that we somehow should be afraid of Republicans or afraid of conservative principles when in fact the most progress that we've had the last six decades has been under President Donald Trump. And I think that we're going to see in 2020 that more black Americans are going to stand behind him because we're tired of this fearmongering rhetoric which is being perpetuated --

WEBB: Candace, I've only got to pause you because I need to give Dee, I'm sorry, but just got to give you a short response. Go ahead.

DAWKINS-HAIGLER: I'm just saying that black man have never been or any type of black person has ever been the head of the KKK. And Candace, even when there was this big party at the White House this year, they brought you in, did you not got with a bunch of black people? Did you not do that?

WEBB: Dee, Dee, that is ridiculous. No black person is ever going to be the head of the KKK.

DAWKINS-HAIGLER: Did they not hire you to bring you in to bring black people into the party?

WEBB: This is actually over because we are not advancing the conversation at all. We'll be right back.

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WEBB: It's time for the Last Bite. Liberals have a huge problem with toxic masculinity. But do they actually know what it means?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How would you define "toxic masculinity" as a term in your own words?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Toxic masculinity" I would define as -- I don't really know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I guess maybe I would just say guys being expected to behave a certain way.

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WEBB: That's all the time we have for tonight. It's quick. Thanks for watching this special edition of “The Ingraham Angle.” I am David Webb, in for Laura. Catch me on Fox Nation's "Reality Check."

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