Ingraham: 'Phony' Dems want to silence election fraud whistleblowers
'The Ingraham Angle' host accuses lawmakers of being 'aggressively uninterested' in protecting election integrity
Nov. 19, 2020 – This is a rush transcript from “The Ingraham Angle” November 19, 2020. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
LAURA INGRAHAM, FOX NEWS HOST: I will. I'm Laura Ingraham this is a "The Ingraham Angle" from Washington tonight and as I said, let's get right to it. The phony gatekeepers of democracy, that's the focus of tonight's "Angle".
Now once upon a time in a place called Washington, D.C., there were people called Democrats. Although they hailed from parts near and far, they constantly reminded us of one thing they all had in common their love of whistle-blowers.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would just like to say to these whistle-blowers as potential whistle-blowers, you are the patriots.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this particular impeachment episode demonstrates anything, there are a lot of courageous brave people who are watching and who will come forward with evidence of wrongdoing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to protect the whistle-blower.
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INGRAHAM: Corruption, fraud, intimidation, Democrats and the press claimed to be so committed to fighting all of it. They also opined on the importance of protecting our election from any interference.
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UNIDENFITIFED FEMALE: How do we protect our democracy, what is going to happen on Election Day? And I'm very worried because this is a democracy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are under attack now by the Russians in terms of the integrity of our elections that we expect they would try to intervene in our election next year.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to say this every time we are on air. We are not ready to protect our election systems in 2020.
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INGRAHAM: But now with questions looming around the election of 2020, they all have a convenient case of amnesia about their previously cherished principles. Well, tonight we review claims made by regular American citizens with firsthand knowledge about what happened in this election.
These are individuals who swore and signed affidavits alleging what they believe is fraudulent or suspicious behavior involving vote counting and ballot processing in key states. Now there are reportedly hundreds of such sworn affidavits from poll workers and observers including some Democrats, many have been thrown out, many debunked but many still have not.
These Americans, these whistle-blowers deserve to be taken seriously and at least heard without threat of reprisal. But that's not happening. In fact, this show has had to conceal the identity of a poll worker in Clark County, Nevada, who in a sworn affidavit claimed to witness potential voter fraud.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Biden van was parked along this stretch, I could see these people handling what appeared to be white envelopes, two people ripping them up and turning and facing the van and playing on them or marking them as I got closer, I thought those are ballots, it's kind of - what are they doing?
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INGRAHAM: Now in Michigan more than 100 GOP poll observers allege not only intimidation but obstruction, that's odd while votes are being counted in Detroit, why would that happen? Jasmine (ph) early said in a deposition that election workers consistently attempted to impede and obstruct her ability to observe in challenge ballots to see them.
In his deposition Glenn Sitak (ph) another observer were counted that he contacted Detroit police to file an assault complaint after an election worker shoved him away from the table. Well, there is also a sworn testimony of irregularities during the Georgia recount.
A poll manager with 20 years of ballot handling experience in the Atlanta area provided this troubling account. Inside the box were stacks of ballots, one batch stood out, it was pristine. There was a difference in the texture of the paper. There were no markings on the ballots to show where they come from and where they had been processed?
My estimate in observing these ballots, approximately 98 percent constituted votes for Joseph Biden and only observed two of these ballots as votes for President Donald J. Trump. Likewise a Fulton County poll observer made this stunning claim.
Many of the boxes of ballots had voted 100 percent for Biden and 0 percent for Trump. Ballots appeared to be perfectly filled out as if almost they were preprinted with the presidential candidate selected.
In Cobb County a poll observer who said she's a registered Democrat also noticed something odd about many of the ballots. Hundreds of these ballots seemed impeccable. The bubble selections were perfectly made, only observed sections in black ink and all happen to be selections for Biden.
No corresponding envelopes seen in sight. I believe there was fraud committed in the presidential election and questioned the validity of the Georgia recount process. Again, that's from a Democrat. But the media, they don't care.
They are barely even interested in the publicly known mistakes and problems in George's initial vote count. So far this week, county officials admitted to uncovering not one, not two, but three computer memory cards containing thousands of uncounted votes, mostly for Trump.
In Cobb County alone, election officials allegedly forgot to upload 2700 votes. Fixing those mistakes netted Trump of 1400 votes well, that's not obviously enough to change the outcome in Georgia it's still no small matter for those people who voted.
Presidential elections have been decided by smaller margins, remember Bush V Gore in Florida by just over 500 votes. Stacey Abrams lost Georgia by a margin four times greater than Biden's current lead over Trump and we are still pretending as if she was robbed just last night.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's time now for Donald Trump to acknowledge that the legal deficiencies of the system that he is no longer the president and unlike what happened to me where we had enough evidence to go to federal court and to see changes made. He has to admit there is no evidence of widespread fraud, he can continue to fight but he's going to lose.
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INGRAHAM: First of all, I love how she says he's no longer the president - yes he is. Accepting tall tales like that from Democrats while dismissing GOP voter fraud claims, it's not just wrong. It's an affront to our entire electoral system.
The American press core and their Democrat allies spent years - this went on forever insisting that Trump was colluding with the Russians to throw the election in his favor in 2016 with zero credible evidence is aggressively uninterested in protecting the integrity of the 20 vote.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean you're doing the opposite of debunking them when you talk about it. You are bunking them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I see no evidence of voter fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If the president is going to claim that there is widespread voter fraud, you would think that we would have significant evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think that there's any point in the media lending these cases any credibility or examining the merits of the claims because they simply don't exist.
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INGRAHAM: OK, has the press bothered interviewing these whistle-blowers, of course not. They see more content lobbying embarrassing softball questions to Joe Biden which he still swings at end of misses.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you say Americans, especially immigrant Americans who came to the United States looking for political stability and seeing all the things that the president is doing?
JOE BIDEN, U.S. PRESIDENT-ELECT: What the president is doing now is really
- it's going to be another incident where he will go down in history, it's going to be certified. We are going to end up making clear that we won.
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INGRAHAM: That was terrifying. What's hard to fathom is how Democrats who swallowed the Russia meddling claims hook, line, and sinker refused to recognize American citizens calling out what they think is extremely suspicious and in some cases alleged voter fraud.
Now look, there have been a lot of frankly very outlandish claims made including one about a global effort to hack voting machines - so far, not backed up by evidence that I have seen and whether the ultimate outcome in a particular state would change if all this is worn out.
Some of that hasn't been laid out, but those are largely besides the point that we are making tonight. If election laws are not applied and not followed consistently, if they are changed midcourse without proper legislative authority, it's reasonable to start questioning motivations and taking a serious, deeper look.
If any vote is either improperly counted or discarded, it does matter. One illegal vote, one illegal vote cast nullifies a legal vote for the other candidate and it cancels it out. It undermines trust in the system and that itself is corrosive and that is the "Angle".
Two GOP members of the Wayne County, Michigan Board of Canvassers say they were bullied and intimidated into certifying - voting to certify the county's election results for Joe Biden there now their initial concern with the fact that voting totals couldn't be reconciled in 70 percent of absente absentee counting precincts in Detroit.
Democrats viciously attacked and threatened the GOP canvassers over their concern, even calling them racist. Well today, despite all of that intimidation, Monica Palmer and Bill Hartmann rescinded their votes and they joined "The Ingraham Angle" exclusively, thank you both for being here and having the courage to speak out. I want all of our viewers to see how you both were treated during this process, watch.
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NED STAEBLER, DETROIT BUSINESSMAN: The stain of racism that you, William Hartmann and Monica Palmer have covered yourself and are going to follow you throughout history. Your grandchildren are going to think of you like Bull Connor or George Wallace and Lord knows, when you go to meet your maker, your soul is going to be very, very warm.
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INGRAHAM: He's unhinged. Monica, this is the kind of harassment that you faced after your initial vote. He's a fairly prominent business person, what have you experienced since?
MONICA PALMER, WAYNE COUNTY, MICHIGAN BOARD OF CANVASSERS: It's continued he's used his social media platform to repeatedly doxx me, post my phone number, my home address, my email address and encouraged people to stop by my house and share their anger with me.
INGRAHAM: Are you kidding me? So this man with all of his money and all of his business contacts and all of his social media decides to pick on you in what social media has said is you can't do and frankly to put your life in danger, that's what he's doing. And Bill have any of your critics looked into any of your concerns over the vote totals in Detroit that were not in your view adding up?
WILLIAM C HARTMANN, WAYNE COUNTY, MICHIGAN BOARD OF CANVASSERS: Yes, they have. We've had some other people come along and look into those things.
Normally when we get - when we are at the meeting we get what's called an over under report and we didn't get that report this year or this time.
Instead, we were given it orally and we had to record everything by hand.
INGRAHAM: "The Washington Post"' is reporting tonight that one of the two Republican members of the four Member Michigan Canvassing Board Norman Shinkle said he's leaning toward asking for a delay in the certification for the state vote calling for an audit.
Now the board is scheduled to vote I guess Monday guys, so I do think with all the potential problems he said, if any of them are true, an audit is appropriate. Monica, tell us how important that breaking news' tonight about accountability and transparency, it's starting to resonate with other officials in Michigan, it looks like?
PALMER: Yes, it's absolutely needed. The purpose of a canvas is to make sure every legal vote is counted and telling right, that you have complete and accurate documentation. When you have a precinct that is unbalanced without an explanation, that doesn't satisfy the requirements, that is why we initially voted no for certification.
After some deliberation with Vice Chair, he offered an audit for unbalanced precincts, an audit comprehensive should be able to dig down and find the explanation of why the number of voters doesn't match the number of ballots cast. So I'm excited to see that there is a spread for this desire to see the rules followed consistently across the state.
INGRAHAM: So the number of ballots don't equal the number of votes cast, when you say out of balance, is that correct? Am I understanding it correctly, Bill?
HARTMANN: Yes, it is, that's what I mean by the over-under report. We want everything to balance like your checkbook balance is to your bank account and then you can - if everything balances, then you can recount it, but if it doesn't ballots, then you cannot recount it. That's our goal, is to try and get everything in balance.
INGRAHAM: Well, again Monica, you wrote in your affidavit that after the vote public comment period began and dozens of people made personal remarks against you and Bill, the comments made, these accusations racism, threatened you and members of your family, how are you and your family holding up in the face of these unconscionable threats?
PALMER: I'm very lucky to have a supportive family; they are behind me 100 percent. They believe that I'm doing the right thing. We are just taking it one day at a time and being thankful for each other. We trust my parents, they are a little concerned, rightly so with what they are seeing in the news and a social media, so we are just doing the best we can to stay safe.
INGRAHAM: And Bill very quickly, is there any local reporter's state reporters in Michigan who find what's happening to you and Monica to be very distressing and curious about your allegations of these discrepancies?
HARTMANN: We've had a lot of reporters ask us for interviews, we held off because of counsel said at this time we shouldn't give interviews. My Attorney Mark Madden - Mandle (ph) told me not to give any interviews, yours is actually the first one. So we are trying to wait until we see what happens with the State Board of Canvassers. And that's a breath of first share that you just announced.
INGRAHAM: Well, I mean, it seems like it's an obvious that this should happen and here's a hint to Wayne County Canvassing Board, if you're going to have a Zoom call, you've got to turn the mute off I think because people couldn't hear what was being said, that was a cute little mistake as well.
Monica and Bill, thank you for giving the exclusive to "The Ingraham Angle," we take every allegation seriously and we take every concern from people who know this world of canvassing and counting and the process very seriously. We really appreciate your courage as American citizens in speaking out, thank you.
The smug dismissal and even attacks on potentially legitimate voter fraud affidavits and the people who signed them this emblematic of a troubling mentality that of course is all over the left. It's the push to cancel and beyond cancel, destroy their political opponent's ability to make a living.
Point in case, Harvard University students - get this - are demanding that Trump Administration officials be preemptively barred from campus for challenging election results. In a letter, the students demand the university boldly confront Trump Administration Alumni invited to speak or not to invite them to speak at all.
Joining me now is Carter Estes, graduate student at the Harvard Kennedy School and Massachusetts Correspondent for "Campus Reform". Carter, I would like to say that I'm surprised by this, but I'm not, sadly.
CARTER ESTES, HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL GRAD STUDENT: Thank you Laura for having me, it comes as no surprise to a lot of us conservative students at Harvard. We hate to see this happening, it is flat out censorship.
The authors have reasoned that ironically they are trying to censor this president because of the subversion of democratic principles. Well, the first amendment in free speech is a democratic principle and they are throwing that out the window.
There have been calls of universities to cancel Trump Administration officials across the country. We at the Leadership Institute for Campus Reform know that better than anybody, I've worked countless times with the Texas Federation of College Republicans against Texas Schools who have been trying to do this in a red state. We've got a free speech - Governor Abbott signed it and now we are fighting at the Harvard. The HKS GOP we are not going to let it stand, we don't want to.
INGRAHAM: Well, this is why another four years where you can actually get control over these little dictators at these universities that can a lot of federal dollars would be really nice to do. I've got to read a passage in this letter stating we remain fully committed to free speech and debate, of difficult subject, we do not believe that individuals who engage in this behavior should be legitimized or rewarded by the university.
Carter, isn't that exactly the opposite of being fully committed to free speech and debate? Don't invite anyone on who you disagree with for him?
ESTES: Absolutely, they don't want Trump Administration officials there. We hosted at Harvard people from the Nixon Administration, the Clinton Administration, we hosted Eric Holder after he was held in contempt of congress and we hosted the Saeb Erakat the late Secretary-General of the Palestinian Liberation Organization.
And the only thing these people have in common is that they should be allowed to speak there because Harvard is a space for ideas. It's a space for us to communicate and to battle out ideas, but when you try to box out people with ideas, when you try to censor conservatives, that's not what's happening and these progressives know that, they just don't want those ideas to permeate people's minds because they know we're right.
INGRAHAM: Well, you know what it really says Carter is how afraid they are?
If you're confident about your ideas, you're happy to talk to anybody about them, if you're confident that you're going to win the day, you don't mind talking to other people, I certainly don't.
ESTES: Thanks.
INGRAHAM: So it's a very curious thing, they are a lot less secure than one would expect Harvard students to be. Carter, sorry that's an old of Dartmouth's light on Harvard, not deserved I'm sure, thanks so much for the report.
After all the incompetence we saw this election how do we make sure it never happens again? Congressional involvement perhaps, Congressman Jim Jordan tells us his plan in moments. Plus are Democrats just reaping what they sowed after years of peddling conspiracy theories about Trump? Mollie Hemingway explains that, next.
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INGRAHAM: The media's blanket dismissal of voter fraud allegation says without evidence, Democratic Party overlords but it doesn't change the fact that millions of Americans are suspicious of the outcome.
A new Reuters IPSOS poll shows that 52 percent of Republicans believe Trump rightfully won the election, 68 percent of GOP voters suspect the election was rigged. Now those figures should alarm every American and our leaders should not meet them with mockery but rather come up with a plan to safeguard the integrity of future elections.
Congressman Jim Jordan shares that concern and is demanding action. He joins me now. Congressman, is this not something that both parties would benefit from given how corrosive it is for people not to believe in the outcome?
REP. JIM JORDAN (R-OH): I think you're exactly right Laura; there are probably 73 million Americans who have real concerns about this election. I mean, I've said this several times. If I would've told you before Election Day that the Republicans were going to keep the Senate they're going to pick up 12 seats in the House, they are going to maintain every state legislature; President Trump would get 10 million more votes than he got in 2016.
But he'll come up short; you would've said there is no way that would happen. But that is exactly the fact pattern. And then you put on top of that fact pattern all the irregularities we've seen, all the affidavits that have been signed, what you just had on with Bill and Monica the story they told what's happened to them for simply saying we've kind of like to know what happened?
So we are saying with all those taking place, why don't we investigate in congress? After all, that's our job, that's what we are supposed to do and I hope Chairman Nadler and Chairwoman Maloney I hope they actually will start an investigation and we can begin to ask some of the same questions you've been asking now for several weeks.
INGRAHAM: Now Mr. Russia collusion himself congressman had this to say on CNN last night.
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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): It's staggering that a sitting President of the United States would try to overturn the results of a perfectly fair and well executed election. He is dragging down our democracy. He's causing millions of Americans to distrust our own election system.
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INGRAHAM: Yes, this after the Obama FBI spies on the Trump Campaign before they even actually won the election. Congressman, of course Adam Schiff talking about the election integrity is laughable for more so infuriating.
JORDAN: Yes, well and also Laura, your opening was so good, this is the same Adam Schiff who told us we could not know the identity of the person they were trying to use. The anonymous whistle-blower who worked for Joe Biden who was biased against the president, we couldn't know who this individual was that they were trying to use to remove President Trump from office.
And now these same people attack people like Bill and Monica for simply saying this is the United States of America, we should have an election that everyone can have confidence in. That drives me crazy, I would've loved to have had a chance to cross-examine that whistle-blower under oath in the American people frankly would have liked to know who this individual was who was the reason that the Democrats were trying to move the guy that they elected the President of the United States?
So we've got time to get to the bottom of this. We have got 25 days till the Electoral College meets, they took four years to go after this fake Russian hoax, they took a year and half to go after President Trump with this fake impeachment. For goodness sake, we've got three and half weeks out; let's get to the bottom of it.
INGRAHAM: What happened to being patient? By the way breaking news tonight in Pennsylvania, a Commonwealth Court Judge issued a ruling directing the elections board to exclude - this is overturning the prior ruling - exclude challenge 2,349 ballots from the certified returns of elections in the County of Allegheny, so congressman that's 2300 votes.
They are thrown out. Someone is casting ballots in a manner that were originally counted as OK and valid that it turns out weren't and we don't need a congressional investigation?
JORDAN: Right and exactly what happened in Georgia over the last two days, they found 5,000 ballots that we have never seen before and never been counted. And we're two and a half weeks since the election. So all of this just points to let's investigate and the real question is why don't Democrats want to do it?
I always find that's the best question to ask when you do an investigation because it goes to motive. Why didn't Democrats want observers to watch the polls when the ballots are being counted? Why did they allow certain things to happen in some counties in Pennsylvania but not others? Let's find out?
INGRAHAM: Why are they doxxing this poor woman Monica for just raising some legitimate concern? I mean, she's just a mom, she is just an American citizen and where are all the feminists out there who want to stand up for women in the workplace, women who are speaking their mind. Where are the feminists? Feminism is dead tonight.
JORDAN: You cannot doxx a lady who took the time to be a good citizen and work at the Board of Elections, you can doxx her but you can keep an anonymous whistle-blower from ever having to testify and ever have to come forward, it's ridiculous.
INGRAHAM: Now congressman, thank you so much. We'll be following that of course.
JORDAN: You bet.
INGRAHAM: And if the left is looking for someone to blame for the election results being so widely questioned, they should look in the mirror. Because before the election even started, media breathlessly framing all of Trump's comments and actions like this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are seeing the undermining of our democracy and our election.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Undermining public confidence in the election and doing a lot of damage to the integrity of the democratic process.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president has sought to undermine the integrity of the election process for months.
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INGRAHAM: Of course, these charlatans spent the last four years perpetuating one of the most damaging lies in our country's history.
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JIMMY CARTER, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: I think the interference once fully investigated will show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016.
REP. ADAM SCHIFF, (D-CA) CHAIRMAN, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: We will never know whether the Russian intervention was determinative in such a close election.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We worked last year. We won the election. It was stolen.
HILLARY CLINTON, (D) FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Trump knows he's an illegitimate president.
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INGRAHAM: Joining me now, Mollie Hemingway, senior editor at "The Federalist," FOX News contributor. Mollie, take it away. You hit this in your piece about how the Democrats are just reaping what they have planted.
MOLLIE HEMINGWAY, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE FEDERALIST": It's just amazing. You see that you've had just a few short weeks of people litigating election results in a court of law, and a lot of powerful people in the media and elsewhere have said that this undermines the country to in any way question this very close election in which you had this major uptick in mail-in ballots, which everybody knows are more susceptible to fraud, and at the same time that you decreased scrutiny of those ballots.
So something totally reasonable, which is that people are questioning the legitimacy of this brand-new thing that we all rushed into this year. And what is just shocking for people hearing these comments is we just lived through four years of many prominent people spending much of every day questioning whether Donald Trump, or asserting Donald Trump was not a legitimate president. And this began immediately after his surprise election in November of 2016 and it continued for years in a really dramatic fashion.
And these were high-profile people. You just pictured some of them, but these were people throughout the media, throughout the political establishment, who believed in a Russia collusion hoax, or they claimed to believe and they perpetrated that on the American people, saying that the Donald Trump was not the legitimate president but that he had stolen the election by colluding with Russia to become president. This was a widely held conspiracy theory.
INGRAHAM: With no evidence.
HEMINGWAY: People won Pulitzer Prizes for perpetrating this, and it never had the evidence at all in support of it. And people either pushed it, or they sat quietly by while other people pushed it. And now the same people are saying you're not allowed to have any questions about an election that has all sorts of suspicion about it.
INGRAHAM: And Mollie, sorry to talk over you, but there's so much here. And the fact that we have all these American citizens who have signed sworn affidavits saying this is what I saw, and obviously it's not at all copacetic, and some of it is not legal. And they are doxed, or they're intimidated, or they're called a racist or called stupid or dismissed and laughed at by the American media, that's how they think they're going to unite the country?
HEMINGWAY: There was no rumor or innuendo or piece of unfounded gossip that was too ridiculous for many people throughout the media to pursue and amplify and really raise to the level that we even appointed a special counsel to spend years trying to find evidence of this thing that didn't happen.
And yet you had sworn affidavits from people, from American citizens, and the media show zero interest in investigating this. First of all, they are putting the entire burden of proof on the Trump legal team rather than thinking that maybe as journalists they can themselves look into this, like we have at "The Federalist" and found evidence of wrongdoing in various states. But the disparity between how they handled that delusional Russia collusion hoax versus how they're handling this could not be greater. And of course, they try to pretend like they didn't fall for this or perpetrate this Russia collusion hoax. It damaged the country. It really damaged the country, and they should be held accountable for what they did.
INGRAHAM: Remember all the tedious bumper stickers, #notmypresident.
They're still trying to peel those off. Or they'll leave those on for the next five years until they donate their cars, I'm sure, to charity. Mollie, thank you so much, great to see you tonight.
And why did a California judge just ruled at strip clubs are allowed to stay open but not churches? Pastor John MacArthur has been battling the state this entire pandemic. He's an American hero. He is here next to respond.
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INGRAHAM: The petty tyrants in New York City have closed down schools but allowed bars to remain open. Does that make any sense to you? Me neither.
And in California, a judge has ordered San Diego strip clubs to be reopened. Apparently not being able to get a lap dance infringes on free speech. Meanwhile, California churches, though, are still fighting for the right to open their doors once again.
My next guest has been a thorn in the side of California's COVID crusaders from the very beginning. Pastor John MacArthur of Grace Community Church joins us now. Pastor MacArthur, it's wonderful to see you again. Tell me, how do strip clubs deserve more constitutional protection than churches at this point?
JOHN MACARTHUR, GRACE COMMUNITY CHURCH PASTOR: Thank you again, Laura. It's an honor to be with you. But let me give you big picture. America is in a moral free fall. Just look at it as I would as a pastor. The murder of the babies in the womb, if they survive the womb, you try to seduce them into transgender sexual deviation when they're young. If they survive that, you corrupt them with a godless education. If you survive that, you have divorce in the family. And if they grow to be adults, you drown them in a sea of pornography.
This is a nation so far down in the sewer of immorality and wickedness that nothing surprises me. In fact, I would be shocked if a judge said open all the churches and close all the strip clubs.
INGRAHAM: Well, the "L.A. Times" previously reported this about your churches, saying coronavirus outbreak strikes L.A. megachurch that defied public health orders, but that ended up, of course, being not true. So tell us what really happened, because the last time we had you on, you were inspiring me because I'm a Roman Catholic and a lot of my Catholic churches, very limited in who can go and kind of rolled over, at least early on. They got better as time went on. But tell me what happened there, what the "L.A. Times" claimed?
MACARTHUR: We had three part-time security guards who went to some event somewhere, and I guess they were checked and tested positive, for whatever that's worth. These were three part-time security guards. None of them was ill, and within a few days they were back at work. A "Times" writer picked up on that and called it an outbreak at Grace Community Church, and they said about me that I had mocked COVID and I was getting my due.
As it turned out, 10 day later the health department came by the church and said there's no evidence of any COVID here at all. They sent us a letter and said you are removed from our website as having any outbreak at all. So we're talking about 6,000, 7,000 people have been in church for months, Sunday after Sunday, no one ill, no one in the hospital, and no one dies.
We're a fitting illustration of the narrative of COVID being a lie.
INGRAHAM: Pastor, I actually think seeing Gavin Newsom at that swanky restaurant with his friends, no mask on, they're all close together -- it's more than hypocrisy, that's the easy thing to say. To me it speaks to, he doesn't really believe what he's saying about COVID. If he thought it was as deadly to him, he's in good shape, he's relatively young, and his young friends, then is he insane? He's putting them all in mortal danger. So I think it speaks to his not really believing some of what he's saying.
MACARTHUR: Of course, because the statistics are in -- 99 percent of people in California are not going to have any effect from COVID. We know those statistics. So what is going on?
A little bit of history, just a quick run through history, all the way back to Julius Caesar, go to Napoleon, come into the modern era, every revolution including Hitler's revolution and the revolution in Russia, every revolution took place in the time when the powers of the people in authority were enlarged because of a supposed emergency. Power-hungry people are using this emergency to gain greater power. This is historic, this is nothing new. And if people don't fight back, they're going to fall victim to whatever the intention of this revolution is.
INGRAHAM: Pastor, thank you for staying open, thank you for fighting for the truth and the Gospel. We really, really appreciate it.
And speaking of California, Bill Wells is the mayor of the city of El Cajon in San Diego County. He ordered the city police department to deprioritize enforcing COVID mandates, but this morning he found out the county sheriff's department had superseded his orders and sent their own deputies in to handout fines and citations for violating COVID rules. Bill Wells, El Cajon mayor, joins me now. Mayor Wells, you were bigfooted on this, I guess, but this is apparently legal, but it seems heavy-handed. Your response.
BILL WELLS, (R) EL CAJON, CALIFORNIA, MAYOR: Thanks, Laura. It's a pleasure to be here. A couple weeks ago I got in front of the people of El Cajon, and I said I really hear the suffering that you're having with your businesses, not to mention the isolation and the depression, all the mental health issues that go along with this. And it seemed important to me that somebody stand up to those folks. And so we asked our police department to deprioritize COVID-19 calls. And just today, we found out that the county supervisors have instructed the sheriff's department to come in and give
$1,000 fines and give misdemeanor citations, which means people have to go before a judge and they could possibly be convicted and have that on their record for the rest of their life.
INGRAHAM: You can see someone shooting heroin up on the sidewalk in many places in California, just step right over them.
WELLS: We can't take somebody to jail. We had trouble getting someone to jail that was doing sex trafficking, and we had to fight to get them to the jail. The jail didn't want to take them. But here we are criminalizing decent, hardworking, honest folks that are just trying to survive. And to show up with a badge and a gun and to frighten these people and to make them criminals I think is horrifically wrong.
INGRAHAM: Where are all the criminal justice advocates?
Government Gavin Newsom tweeted this out tonight. "Due to the rise in
COVID-19 cases, California issuing a limited stay-at-home order." Stay inside with this beautiful weather in California. "Not essential work and gatherings must stop from 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. in counties in the purple tier." Mayor Wells, your county is in the purple tear. Do these stay-at- home orders work? What effect on the businesses?
WELLS: We are talking about a virus that has 99.4 percent survival rates. I can understand it if people were dying, 10, 20 percent of the population that gets the disease would die from it. But the long acting consequences of this, the mental health problems, the divorce problems, we have mental health up -- I'm sorry, we have suicidality up 145 percent in certain counties, divorce rate is up 34 percent, alcohol binge drinking is up 40 percent. All these have long lasting effects.
INGRAHAM: Mayor Wells, shoving people, sending people back inside, the curfews have not proven to work at all anywhere. And I don't know what studies they are citing in Europe. But Mayor Wells --
WELLS: -- constitution.
INGRAHAM: And then there's that. Mayor Wells, thank you, and keep in touch with us about how things are going.
And the COVID tyrants on the left aren't just targeting your churches.
They're also coming for your guns. A shocking story out of Virginia that's going to outrage every American who cherishes his or her right to self- defense. Don't go away.
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INGRAHAM: One of the biggest gun shows of the year was supposed to kick off this Friday in northern Virginia about 25 miles from our nation's capital.
But Virginia's Democrat Attorney General Mark Herring stepped in and shut it all down over COVID fears. And then he smugly bragged about it on Twitter, "Putting hundreds or even thousands of Virginians at risk for the sole purpose of selling guns is just not worth it."
Joining me now is Ken Norman, owner of Red River Guns and Ammo who was supposed to be at the gun show tomorrow. Ken, you don't have a brick-and- mortar, so these gun shows support of your family, your livelihood, and that of so many others, don't they?
KENNETH NORMAN, OWNER OF RED RIVER GUNS AND AMMO: Yes, ma'am, exactly, that's correct.
INGRAHAM: So what's going on here? This is a constitutional right, a Second Amendment right. Going to the hardware store is not, but you can go to the hardware store and no one is going to bother you there.
NORMAN: Exactly. And we've had two COVID restricted shows already, and although some people at the guns shows feel like it's a violation of their rights, we all wore masks because, contrary to people's beliefs, we're not the dregs of society. We do care about other people. So we all wore masks.
There was nothing burnt down, no violence. And this is with a room full of guns and ammo, largely Trump supporters. And you can walk across the parking lot to Walmart, and it's some wear their mask and some don't.
So not only that, I ordered my parts for this show six months ago, but two more shows coming up that are big, those parts are on the way. So it's very scary and difficult. I've been traveling all day so I didn't get to hear the tweet. Roman was telling me a little bit about it, but I just really, really am insulted that somebody can think that we're just selling guns under the table, a bunch of rednecks picking barbecue out of their teeth and spitting bacco juice on the floor, and not following the rules.
The majority of my clients are there for knowledge. They want to know the laws and how to operate a firearm safely. So I just ask this gentleman, whoever he is, just come out to the gun show and see for himself if he would let us ever have one.
INGRAHAM: And by the way, I've been to a bunch of these gun shows in Virginia over the years, and it's a very diverse crowd. These are new immigrants. These are black, white, Hispanic, Muslim, these are people from all walks of life. This is not -- again, you're right, he should come and watch. But the same attorney general, by the way, praised the large scale Black Lives Matter gatherings and said in a statement from last May, peaceful protest demonstrations can and should continue. And then a tweet in June bragging about standing with his neighbors at an I can't breathe protest in Leesburg, Virginia. So he's concerned about crowds at a gun show, but not at Black Lives Matter and other protests. How is that consistent?
NORMAN: It's not. And like I said, you can square dance in some of the isles. There were more people outside the building than inside the building. We were definitely complying, and taking a look. There's three big gun shows. You've got Oaks in Philly, it's been canceled all year. They haven't had it. And then the big great American outdoor show in Harrisburg, it's a nine-day show in February, it's canceled.
INGRAHAM: This is being done, this is being all done with a purpose, and we all know it. We all know what's coming. We all know what they are trying to do. And it's frankly unconstitutional. Kenneth, thank you so much, and we certainly hope it's able to move forward at some point.
NORMAN: Thanks for having me on. I'm a big fan of you and Tucker and Hannity.
INGRAHAM: You're welcome. We'll see you at one of the shows.
Up next, a shut out to a very special viewer in Pennsylvania, stay there.
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INGRAHAM: All right, before we go, I want to tell you but a very special INGRAHAM ANGLE fan, Lenore (ph) Risch (ph) of Pennsylvania. We learned today she has been hospitalized with COVID, and since the ANGLE is one of the highlights of the day for her, she can't have any visitors, I surprised her with a phone call this afternoon.
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