How did White House out CIA's top spy in Afghanistan?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 27, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Brian Kilmeade.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."


PERINO: So, how did it happen? The White House has blown the cover of our top spy in Afghanistan, a mistake that's left this official exposed in one of world's most dangerous places. The name of the CIA station chief in Kabul was accidentally included open a list of people who attended a military briefing with President Obama during his surprise trip to Afghanistan. That list went out to journalists who accompanied the president. By the time the White House recognized the error, it was too late.

Jay Carney was expected to be talked about at the press briefing, but that briefing was canceled when President Obama came out to talk about troop levels in Afghanistan earlier.

That did not go unnoticed by our White House correspondent Ed Henry.


ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: What the president does by talking today is he shifts the topic to we're going to keep 9,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan past the end of this year, instead of the story being about the CIA.


PERINO: Well, I'm back from a week away and I'm glad to be back. This is a good story, an interesting story, sad for the official.

This is what I thought was amazing. So, President Obama has a wonderful secret trip planned for the troops. They pulled it off perfectly. Brad Paisley is on the plane. He's going to perform for the troops. I thought huge PR win for the White House and I was glad that the president took the time.

But, Andrea, people have sort of forgotten the fact that the president went on a trip because of an inadvertent -- just a mistake that has overshadowed everything.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Which is going to be -- and is I think a huge fiasco. This isn't a minor mistake in a press release that the White House put out. This is the identity of a CIA station chief which is a closely guarded secret, especially when that country is in a deadly war.

So, what happens now that this has been outed, right? This creates problems with counterintelligence operations, security operations. This individual, who spent months and months, maybe even years trying to build this cover, has now been blown, so he can't move freely around that country. I don't see how he continues in his job after this huge mistake. Somebody should definitely be fired.

But the fact is this is a deadly war. So, this is even worse than some CIA agent being outed in a random situation. Afghanistan is a deadly war and now everybody knows who he is.

And the real point, Dana, is it's not just the media. It's the Taliban. It's the enemy that knows he is. And they would love to know who the station chief was, believe me.

PERINO: Well, one of the things that is important is not only his own safety, but the safety of his family, but also his career is changed.

And, Eric, I was thinking about how -- if you are a pitcher for a Major League Baseball team, this is like shattering that arm because then you are not going to be able to do that same job anymore. You might still work in baseball but in a different capacity.

BOLLING: Or give the other team the signals by accident and they could read your signals. Look, people make mistakes, but this administration seems to have mistake after mistake after mistake. Oops, we didn't know about IRS scandal, oops, we didn't know about Fast and Furious, oops, we found out about Benghazi on TV. And now, oops we accidentally outed one of our CIA station chiefs.

Look, everyone makes a mistake, but you know what? When you do make a mistake, you man to it up. You don't start blaming other people. That's why Jay Carney should have been at the briefing room answering the questions about that.

And, by the way, you know, there's some other news --

PERINO: A few other things.

BOLLING: Yes, there were some other things --


PERINO: But we just found out before we went to air, Bob, that the White House chief of staff Denis McDonough has said there will be an internal review and some recommendations he expects --

BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST: There are so many internal reviews.


PERINO: Well, they have a spreadsheet of reviews. But, I mean, really, Bob, how much review do you need that there was just a screw up, they just got to, you know, tighten up the screws?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes, this was a screw up extraordinaire.

But I will say, the only thing I can say about this is somebody should be fired right away and probably on the NSC staff who approved it, even though this came from the Pentagon. But in terms of station chiefs, there's not a station chief virtually anywhere in the world that's not known by the host government or the Taliban knows who our station chief is.

It is --

TANTAROS: I'm not so sure about that.

BECKEL: It's one of the --

PERINO: I talk to some guys at the CIA today that the argument that everyone knew his ID is a bogus one but there might have been people, we don't know for sure. But we do that his life has changed irrevocably.

BECKEL: He's not going to be able to be out in the field anymore. He probably (INAUDIBLE) if he stays in the business, he will be back at Langley.

PERINO: One of the things, Brian, you covered several of these. When a president goes on a secret trip to a war zone, there's very few people who know about the trip, so maybe the regular checks and balances that you would have were not necessarily in place because they had a limited number of people who were working on it.

KILMEADE: You don't need the complicated Eric Bolling family tree to go back generations to find out what happened and whose to blame because so few people know. I think sooner or later, it's going to be Scooter Libby - -

BOLLING: Whose to blame about this.


KILMEADE: We all know that dating back to Ireland and Italy, and maybe some Scandinavian roots. We'll look into that.

But Richard Armitage and, we know, and, of course, Scooter Libby will eventually take the blame for this. For those people who say this is no big deal, then you actually immediately say that the Valerie Plame thing was a trumped up charge and a three-year investigation was not warranted, because if you take a desk job agent in relation to her husband in relation to a story that exists in 2001, if you say, well, this is no big deal, then my goodness, you need a lot of apologies to a lot of people and a lot of money put back into the treasury over the investigation that took place during your rein in the White House.

PERINO: As soon as I read this today, when I talk about outing the CIA agents, I kind of get hives. I lived that story for a long time. I looked up the David Brooks column from October 2005, where he writes after the investigation is finished, that Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, did not find evidence to prove that there was a broad conspiracy. He has not even indicted the media's ordained villain. He did not find evidence of wind-ranging criminal behavior.

And yet for this, I think that in some ways, I'm kind of proud of all of us and the media saying this was a screw up but it was inadvertent and - -

KILMEADE: Right. And it took a reporter to find out it was a screw up, saying, have you guys really want this on the list? It was "Washington Post's" Scott Wilson.

PERINO: Sometimes reporters --

KILMEADE: Do you want to --


PERINO: You're going to have the checks and balances do sometimes --

KILMEADE: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: But also, when you think about it. I feel for this intelligence officer and for his career and his hard work.

KILMEADE: And his family.

TANTAROS: I also feel for us. We are losing a very valuable intelligence asset --

PERINO: Or investment.

TANTAROS: Exactly -- at a time when we need him the most.

PERINO: That's a good point.

We have another reporter and a columnist, Kim Strassel, was on air over the weekend, and she was talking about what she called a supposed scandal manual for how the White House is dealing not only the CIA situation but also many other things that are on their plate.

Let's listen to her.


KIMBERLEY STRASSEL, WALL STREET JOURNAL: There's five steps that this administration keeps repeating every time a scandal comes up. Step one is -- well, I didn't know about it. Step two is to express great outrage. When that doesn't work, step three is to fire some low level bureaucrat.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: Also, we're going to have a study. The study has got to go into it.

STRASSEL: The study comes next. Then we're going to wait and see what the I.G. says or the FBI investigation or whatever it is, and when that doesn't stop, six months later, you say, it's either (a), done, or (b), all the result of a partisan push by Republicans.


KILMEADE: Smidgeon of corruption.

PERINO: That's right.

Bob, do you think they need to update their playbook a little bit? Because if there is a pattern here, this would go back to almost all of these and you could see what she was talking about. There is a step by step process that they seem to follow.

If it was equivalent of a football team, and you've got the playbook and the same one every week, my guess is you probably lose a lot of games. But the fact is, though, that the -- most of these scandals that do come up, do come up from the press, go back to Teapot Dome, go back to Watergate. The press is the one who broke those scandals.

So, that's the not a -- the idea that he finds out about it by the press, most scandals are found out by the press. By the way, about Scott Wilson, how did Scott Wilson know this guy was a station chief? He was listed as station chief. So, he knew it because Scott Wilson knows who the station chief is and a lot of people do know the station chief is.

So, it's not -- it was not a surprise to me that he would understand it. He's been around "The Post" a long time.

KILMEADE: And just to follow, an update, I'm not saying that -- I'm not worried about Scott Wilson knowing or anybody else knowing. I'm worried about the Taliban and al Qaeda knowing and they are -- the CIA is concerned about that. I don't care about the press knowing.

BECKEL: But if Scott Wilson knows about it, the Taliban knows about it.

KILMEADE: Really? He calls the Taliban and says you're not going to believe it.

BECKEL: No, no. But how do you -- how do you think a reporter for "The Washington Post" finds these things out?

PERINO: Well, these are intel-reported. I think -- I'm going to trust the CIA when she say please don't release the names of our individuals. The CIA is saying, let's not do that. They're not just saying that to the reporters. They're asking them not to do it. It was the White House that released it. The White House is taking responsibility and doing a review.

KILMEADE: It's amazing, named Wilson.

PERINO: Yes, I know --

BOLLING: Can I take it one step further? Now, Glenn Greenwald has said, you know, the guy who hook up with Ed Snowden, he said that he's going to release a list of names -- Americans who are being tracked and followed by the NSA. Now, is the Obama administration, when he releases this, and there's probably some names on there that likely aren't terrorists or linked to terrorism, and those Americans probably shouldn't be on that list, when he releases that, is the White House going to say, boy, we didn't know that was going on? Gee, I wonder how -- I saw it on FOX.

PERINO: Everybody in Washington is going to do like the Washington read. They are going to get the list and say, I hope I'm on it, because I'm really somebody if I'm on --

KILMEADE: You think so?

PERINO: Yes. The reporters would like nothing more than to find out that they are on the list that Glenn Greenwald --

TANTAROS: Can I go back to one thing that you said, Bob? When you said, how do they find out about these scandals? It's usually the media.

I disagree with that. And I also would disagree with -- the one thing that's unique about this president, is he seems to learn about these scandals from the media. And what shocks me is that he's willing to admit that. They are willing to admit without embarassment or a shred of any kind of shame that they learned about it from the press.

I mean, I guess they are OK with looking uninformed or looking incompetent. That's fine with them.

And Kim Strassel also adds -- the last point, Dana -- to her scandal manual, which was a after. After a couple of months, you say that was Republican politics. She did forget one, two years later, you're supposed to say, dude, that was two years ago.

But I think they're going to stick to the scandal manual because it works. To your point, Bob, about running plays, they've been running the same plays, and in their minds.


TANTAROS: I agree with you. The V.A. is different but that's why they run the scandal manual over and over again.

BECKEL: Ronald Reagan's comments about Iran Contra were I read about it in the newspaper. So, I mean, I think you have to be a little careful - -

KILMEADE: There's no cable news.

BOLLING: What were the other four or five that Reagan have, those other four or five scandals?

BECKEL: Well, you could argue --

BOLLING: My point is in five years, you got five real legitimate scandals going on and they seem to find out about it in the news.

PERINO: So, if we could switch to our last topic for this block, which is a little bit along those lines, it's the Veterans Affairs scandal -- I don't like to call it that, but that's what it's being referred to. One of things that they have said we found out about this problem with the waiting list from the press. But interestingly, in 2009, when the memos, the transition memos are transitioned from the president of the United States, President Bush to President Obama's team, there is a line there's increasing concern about systemic problem about wait times, not just for disability piece, but for these additional concerns that are coming up, you might want to keep an eye on that.

So, they knew seven years ago and now, we have this situation.

KILMEADE: I'll add this, too. Jennifer Griffin was on with us on the radio today. And she said it is so disingenuous of them to make an announcement over the weekend, that were giving people the option on going to get private health care because it's always been on the books, it's never been announced. It's never been pushed, never been explained for some odd reason to those who are leaving the military.

BECKEL: Well, also, let's remember, Harry Truman probably passed that same memo to Dwight Eisenhower, Dwight Eisenhower to JFK, go on up the list. The V.A. has been under attack from the beginning.

Now, that doesn't mean that somebody hasn't acted on it somewhere along the line. Some presidents have. Clinton did. He made some significant moves.

But in this case, the idea that there are monies available and are authorized to put people into private health care is something that I didn't know about. I don't know, you mentioned it the other day on the show as an idea, but it's there, and in that regard -- that bothers me more than anything else.

BOLLING: Can I throw something else out there? Do you know that 80 percent of the V.A. is unionized?

PERINO: I'm not surprised.

BOLLING: Eighty percent. I don't think people realize what that means. That means it's highly unionized and you wonder -- when you think about other union organizations, heavily unionized organizations, the Post Office, is there any wonder that there are veterans being put on waiting lists --

BECKEL: What the hell does that have to do with the fact that you have unionized workers?

TANTAROS: It goes back to the plan, about incentive

BOLLING: Really, Bob?

BECKEL: Yes, really.

TANTAROS: It goes back to the incentive, because there is no incentive to work harder --

BOLLING: You can't get fired is what it is.

TANTAROS: In order to perform better. So --

BOLLING: It's impossible to fire a union employee, Bob. We know that.


TANTAROS: The charter school system is tremendously effective what I would like to see is that system be copied for the V.A. and have a charter hospital that can get funding from all different sources and get tax credits and tax break and get private funding, Dana, that sprouts up right across the street from these V.A. hospitals and just see how it goes.

KILMEADE: I would just love to see someone take it by the reins and say, this is my problem. I'm not investigating it. It's my problem. I'm in charge. This is it.

OK, I dropped the ball for five years. Now, it's going to change.

I would love to see that.

PERINO: And I think also because -- I don't see this as much of a partisan issue across the country. There's the Washington, D.C. fight.

But across country, everybody can agree, we want our veterans to be taken care of, so you could see a sort of a surge of doctors figuring out a way using private health care and vouchers or something like that to try to get a handle on this. It's not just veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, but the aging veterans from World War II and Korea in particular that need help.

OK. I'm back. I'm happy to be here.

Ahead on "The Five" -- new details are emerging about a student's deadly rampage in California. Did authorities miss the warning signs? That's up next.


TANTAROS: Welcome back.

We want to talk now about that horrifying rampage in California by a college student on Friday night. Twenty-two-year-old Elliot Rodger killed three of his roommates and then killed three others at random in Santa Barbara. More than a dozen victims are injured.

Rodger posted online videos and wrote a twisted manifesto before his murder spree. They paint a picture of very deeply disturbed individual. He ranted about being a virgin and seeking revenge against both men and women for it. His family had warned police about him in the past, and Dr. Keith Ablow thinks that they could have done something to stop this.


DR. KEITH ABLOW, PSYCHIATRIST & FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Bottom line is they screwed up, OK? Here's the thing. Everything worked, the parents called the therapist. They said things have gone terribly downhill. There are these YouTube postings. They are very concerning.

The therapist calls a crisis team. The crisis worker calls from the community mental health center or an E.R., calls the police and says go, now, there's a problem.

And the police, for some reason, they think they just can just talk to this kid in the hallway and they are going to determine if he's a threat? No.


TANTAROS: All right. So, a lot of people asking, Eric, whose fault was this because there were multiple warning signs, even the parents flagging the police, the police who had been notified, he was being, I guess, treated by a number of psychologists and counselors. So, where's the breakdown?

BOLLING: I think right there. I think right there, because the parents flagged it to the counselors and doctors, and there was never a doctor who actually said he's dangerous to himself and maybe other people and put him -- even if they put him away for a short period of time and said, look, he needs intensive observation, put him in hospital for a short period of time, that would have trigger the things that background checks look for when you go to buy a gun and he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun.

Not to say that he wouldn't kill anyway. Let's make it perfectly clear. He killed the first three people with a knife, all right? It wasn't even a gun involved.

There are 300 million handguns in America. There's another 100 million probably unregistered handguns -- I'm sorry, firearms in America, another 100 million. He would get his hands on it.

But if you want it find out what made that guy tick, I think put him away a little bit and have him really, really getting the medication he needed. I think he was -- he was a sick, sick kid.

TANTAROS: Dana, do you know that on some level, parents are hesitant to call somebody up, call the authorities to have their son committed? I mean, if you listen to the father and we'll pay some sound from his later, but this is his only son. He did seem to have anger issues but Eric does make a good point, family knows you best and if family is not going to be the one who sound the alarm, who is?

PERINO: And reading the article today -- it sounds like the mother who had been see, a couple of times, she would follow her son's social media activities. So, she saw a posting on YouTube that she thought was concerning enough to her that she went to the police. She tried to get some sort of help.

I'm not sure what a parent -- how a parent would deal with that and at what point do you decide that my son or daughter needs to be committed and also we did have the laws that say if you are an adult, you can't necessarily be committed against your will.

TANTAROS: There are some crazy stories about his behavior. His college roommate coming out saying that he dared borrow a scented candle of his and he lost his mind. Where do you think the breakdown is? Because, I mean, even as Dana mentioned, and Eric mentions, you can take away the Second Amendment. It still doesn't take away this mental illness issue of this boy.

BECKEL: Well, the fact of the matter he bought his guns legally from a gun store. And he presumably had a background check because that's what the law says. Now, the law does not -- says it would be triggered if you were institutionalized, and that would stop them from buying a gun.

What the law does not say because the NRA have tried to stop it effectively is that if you are continual psychiatric care and if you are somebody who is a potential for violence, that ought to be included in the law and you could find that out from -- by looking at the guys background check, have you been treated by a psychiatrist or counselor over the last five years. If he says yes, automatically triggers, I think -- no, you can't buy this gun until we can talk to those people.

KILMEADE: Here's the thing, first off, a number of things. Usually side with law enforcement -- I'm not there, I'm not in Santa Barbara. This is not an unfinanced police station. It's one of nicest places in the country, Santa Barbara.

I imagine the tax dollars support is strong. The workforce is strong. They're not going from gang to gang trying to somehow get Santa Barbara under control.

So, to me, you have a time to arrive at that house, someone should have looked at the YouTube first, and say, wow, this is serious. The parents have called.

We've got to take this kid over in a friendly way -- I don't feel good leaving you by yourself right now and bring him over to the E.R., too and get you some observation -- because you're a cop. You're not a psychologist. You are not professionally trained to evaluate somebody on the spot when life and death is in balance.

Then, I'm wondering, with a background check, do you know if someone owns firearms? If so, do they own multiple? If they got them all legal, you could say, I'm concerned about this guy. Is he a danger to himself or to somebody else?

And according to the background check he owns guns. Can you show me those guns? Where are they?

And if you want to go find those guns, you would have evidently saw a little bit of a journey, and a little bit of a plan to kill multiple people, which would have been discovered.

He talked about, saying that, "I was almost outed when these cops came to my place."


TANTAROS: He showed up at a fraternity party and pretended to shoot people and then he ended up falling off --


TANTAROS: But he was actively trying to shoot people at a party. Nobody thought --

KILMEADE: They come to his house -- hey, buddy, just come for me for a while.

BECKEL: A cop has the right to send somebody involuntarily for three days for commitment, which they should have done. I mean --

BOLLING: But it wouldn't have stopped this psycho from killing people. He still killed people with a knife.


BECKEL: May be, may be not.

BOLLING: There's no question -- Bob, is there any question in your mind that if you are that freaking crazy, you are not going to get your hands on a illegal firearm and maybe kill people?

BECKEL: My hope is if you're involuntarily committed for three days, they got to figure out that you should be -- not involuntary, but just put in to psychiatric care.

PERINO: One last comment is that I know a lot of people turn to Washington and say, why haven't you done something about this? Taken aside the Second Amendment issue, Congressman Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania has legislation proposed in Congress that would get immediate help to families who think they have a mental health crisis in their family and it's been through a bill that's been held up but it should get another look immediately, because that's where the help could hopefully try to prevent these immediate things from happening.


BECKEL: The NRA would never allow that to get out of committee.

TANTAROS: Eric's fastest seven is coming right up, including a comedian who says that he's embarrassed or she's embarrassed because she's never had an abortion. You got to hear this one. Stay tuned.


BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven minutes in news -- morning, noon or night. Three stimulating stories, seven streaming minutes, one steady host.

First up, Mark Cuban made some provocative remarks regarding his own racial prejudices last week. A firestorm of race debate ensued.

Sportscaster Stephen A. Smith took Cuban's thoughts and added his own opinion, full of passion and flavor -- and quite a bit of passion and flavor. Listen.


STEPHEN A. SMITH, SPORTSCASTER: I don't care who in the black community disagrees with me. I do understand that to some degree there's a level of racism that we all have to overcome, and I get all of that. But that doesn't mean every single issue is race-related. Sometimes it is about how you -- how you represent yourself.

When we talk about the American dream, you know who I think about? Myself. Grew up poor. The level of education that I had was a public school system. I ultimately graduate from high school. I go to a historically black institution like Winston-Salem State University. I graduate with honors, and I'm on national TV every day. This is the road you've got to climb.


BOLLING: That's very refreshing, Bob. Would you agree with him?

BECKEL: Yes, I think he's got a good point. I mean, there's -- I didn't have a problem with Cu-ban -- how do you...

BOLLING: Mark Cuban.

BECKEL: Cuban said because I think he's right. I mean, if you're walking down the street and you see somebody that, at least in your mind, is threatening, then you ought to cross the street. He was talking about one black kid with a hoodie on, and then he said, you know, an Aryan Nation guy with tattoos and a bald head, he wouldn't walk there. So I think it wasn't -- it wasn't pinpointed to blacks. And so I think that's a good point.

KILMEADE: He also brought up the fact that he's been called, since he said those remarks, a sell-out and an Uncle Tom, not really black, for supporting Mark Cuban? You've got to be kidding me. He says you have a guy that comes out and speaks his mind, you want to rip him for speaking his mind and lump him in with Donald Sterling. It's outrageous.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on that?

PERINO: A lot of people talking about this in South Carolina over the weekend, because they like what he had to say. They thought it was very refreshing. I like this part where he says -- he says that P. Diddy, Jay- Z, LeBron whatever, that those are just very unique. You can't expect that everybody is going to be something like them; that you have to work hard. And then like he's done, works hard and now he's on ESPN every night.

BOLLING: And, he was saying some of the things you were saying last week, as well.

TANTAROS: Well, he was saying at some level -- he said some level of racism is within us all that we have to overcome. I disagree with that. The word I would use is "prejudice" because of prejudging situations.

And my point was that we all prejudge situations. If you see someone with a pocket protector, and glasses with tape on them, you prejudge that person as being a dork. You prejudge someone on the other side of the street.

BOLLING: Fenders -- fenders (ph) -- I understand -- yes.

TANTAROS: And another thing. I think that's the point that Cuban was trying to make. And I love that Stephan A. Smith railed on people for leaving out the fact that he also said, when there's a white guy on the other side of the street with a hoodie, I also get nervous.

BOLLING: Let me get this one in here. Moving on now. What do you get when you cross a slimy slug with a flesh-eating parasite? "The Bill Maher Show." This weekend, Sarah Silverman joined slimy Bill and had some rather provocative thoughts on abortion.


SARAH SILVERMAN, COMEDIAN: And the truth is, and I don't like to admit this, I've never had an abortion, and I don't know if I would. But it doesn't mean that I wouldn't tell -- fight to the death for women to make their own choices for their own human bodies.

BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO's "THE BILL MAHER SHOW": Thank you for being brave enough to admit you've never had an abortion here in Hollywood.

SILVERMAN: That could really hurt a woman's career out here.


BOLLING: And, trying to figure out. Was -- seriously, was she joking? What was that?

TANTAROS: I mean, if she's trying to be funny, she wasn't very funny.

She has devoted her life, outside of comedy, to the pro-choice cause. OK. It's, like, from "V" to shining "V." She's out there trying out there to raise awareness.

I know that she's a clown in her daily life. But she looks like an absolute fool. I don't know. Maybe she had this at an L.A. cocktail party or a party, you know, on the West Village here in New York. And she clearly talks to people who don't disagree with her. But I don't know if she's even read a newspaper, because there's no issue of Roe v. Wade being overturned in the courts. I believe all the justices have referred to it as precedent. So what the hell is Sarah Silverman talking about? She looks like a complete idiot.

BOLLING: OK. Moving on.

PERINO: Just, in thinking about this, I do think what she was trying to say was that, just because she hasn't had an abortion doesn't mean she couldn't support the right of somebody else to, and that's why she has fought for it. So like -- I support gay marriage. That doesn't mean I'm gay necessarily. You could have public policy positions that are supportive of other people. I think that's what she was trying to say. She's a comedian, so I guess they're trying to be funny. Maybe.

BOLLING: Can I do this one? They're rushing me on. I want to make sure we get this one.

BECKEL: There's not that many abortions in the West Village. Go ahead.

BOLLING: Some people love Montel Williams; some people don't. for those of you who don't, take a listen to the Vietnam vet defending our nation's heroes in a way not many celebrities could or would, for that matter.


MONTEL WILLIAMS, TALK SHOW HOST: We are at war. How dare this nation treat us this way? Whether you agree with me politically or not, I know you agree with me on this: we can argue about whether you like football, basketball, it is time for us to come together.


BOLLING: Very emotional.

KILMEADE: Officer in the military, motivational speaker. Great success story. I like him. He's done a lot of good things for M.S. Somebody in my family, as well, that had it. So I can't say anything. Nor do I want to say anything ever negative against Montel Williams or what he just said.

BOLLING: Right. And again, Vietnam vet.

BECKEL: Yes. Probably this story hits veterans more than anybody else and their families. And that comes home, because clearly it was emotional for him, because he's been a veteran.

BOLLING: Yes, and And, he points out that he spends a lot of time in veterans' hospitals. He said he used to see a lot of celebrities and politicians there. Not so much lately.

TANTAROS: He's been, I think, 30 times or over 30 times, so he really does back the cause. And as Brian points out, he is a veteran who struggles with multiple sclerosis, M.S., in a very real way. So he is the perfect person to stand up and fight.

BOLLING: And also spent a lot of time (ph) going to Afghanistan and Iraq a bunch of times?

PERINO: Part of that is through the USO, which is an amazing organization that we should all support. I like what he said about this is just time for us to come together. I do think that people out in the country look at Washington and say, OK, so the V.A. has a lot of money. So Obama might not have known about it. So Bush knew about it. So Clinton. Who cares? Let's just figure out a way to get it solved, which is what I think Montel Williams is encouraging.

BOLLING: Very good. They're rushing me again.

Again, next up on "The Five" some incredible advice from the Navy SEAL who led the mission to get bin Laden. Stay tuned for some very wise words from an American hero coming right up.


KILMEADE: All right. America's college grads from gotten advice from all kinds of commencement speakers this time of year. The ones that weren't protested against.

One address has gone viral, and they say it goes viral on the Internet. It's the one given by Navy Admiral William McRaven at the university of Texas. Now, "The Five" played some of you last week. But since it's so good, and you want to hear more, guess what? It's time for you to hear more. Here's McRaven, focused on the ten most important lessons he learned from his basic training as a Navy SEAL that could change your safe .


ADMIRAL WILLIAM MCRAVEN, U.S. NAVY: The 9th week of training is referred to as Hell Week. It is six days of no sleep, constant physical and mental harassment and one special day at the mud flats.

As the sun began to set that Wednesday evening, my training class, having committed some egregious infraction of the rules, was ordered into the mud. The mud consumed each man until there was nothing visible but our heads. The chattering teeth and shivering moans of the trainees were so loud it was hard to hear anything and then one voice began to echo through the night.

And then one voice began to echo through the night, one voice raised in song. The song was terribly out of tune but sung with great enthusiasm. One voice became two, and two became three, and before long everyone in the class was singing. The instructors threatened us with more time in the mud if we kept up the singing, but the singing persisted. And somehow the mud seemed a little warmer, and the wind a little tamer and the dawn not so far away.

If I have learned anything in my time traveling the world, it is the power of hope. One person can change the world my giving people hope. So if you want to change the world, start singing when you're up to your neck in mud.


KILMEADE: And he did talk about making a difference, making an impact, and he opened by saying, "I don't remember who spoke at my graduation as commencement speaker."

I sense that these guys and these ladies are going to remember who spoke at theirs. Am I right, Dana?

PERINO: Yes, I agree. One of points that he had that I like the most was make your bed every day.


PERINO: That's the first task that you do and once you do one, that makes you want to do another.

KILMEADE: That one success.

PERINO: At least get up and make your bed every day.

KILMEADE: Eric, he also talk about going -- sometimes you have to go head first and take risks in your life. You don't take risks in your life. You don't know how it's going to turn out, but you'd rather not think about the consequences.

TANTAROS: Like putting you on the show, Brian.

KILMEADE: Right. Which is a huge risk, and it's not going to pay off.

BOLLING: So can I just make a very quick point about this? Thank God we have these fellows protecting us, protecting our freedoms, fighting for our freedoms. We hear Bill Maher and Sarah Silverman make those stupid comments, and the reason why they're able to do that and we're able to hear them say that is because those fellows are there in the mud, protecting our rights and our freedoms and our liberties. And we have to thank them for that.

KILMEADE: Lessons we all can learn. Bob, you get anything out of this?

BECKEL: Well, didn't think of that today, let alone when I was younger. So I guess I don't get the scale. But I'd really like to know what the song was. Did anybody find out what the song was?

KILMEADE: No. But it was something that brought them all together, and they defied people saying "Stop singing."

PERINO: It was "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall."

BECKEL: Here's another thing. He gives this speech in front of the University of Texas at Austin. That is a liberal community there and he didn't get booed as far as I can tell and he got -- he got through it fine.

KILMEADE: Andrea, you've overcome obstacles. Do you think you appreciate something like this?

TANTAROS: I can. I wish I were as good as what he's saying. Being your best in your darkest moments and singing when you're up to your neck in mud.

I still -- I still have trouble doing that, but the one thing -- I watched it again over the weekend -- that really jumped out at me, was he was talking about some fields are bigger than others, and they thought the big guys would last to the end. He says do not measure a person by the size of their flippers. Measure them by the size of their heart, and find someone to help you paddle. And I thought, that is really...

PERINO: I liked the paddle thing, too.

KILMEADE: Size of the heart. How to beat the Munchkins, he talked about. That they called them in training.

I thought it was unbelievable. It's even better than I thought it was when I heard how great it was.

Meanwhile, coming up straight ahead, Cleveland Browns rookie Johnny Manziel is catching a lot of flak for spending the weekend partying in Las Vegas. Should they give the quarterback a break? He wants one: he said so on Twitter.


BECKEL: Welcome back to the fastest two liberal minutes of the show.

Cleveland Browns rookie Johnny Manziel likes to have a good time. And he's taking some heat for it after partying in Vegas this weekend.

Johnny Football kicked off the summer hanging out poolside with some pretty ladies and fist bumping with Paulie D. from "The Jersey Shore." Some critics questioned whether he should be focusing on the upcoming season. He responded with this Instagram post: "Guess it's impossible to enjoy the weekend and study?"

All right, Eric, what do you think?

BOLLING: I think he's -- he's living large. He's young, he's you know, just out of college. He's having some fun. Let the guy have some fun. I mean, he's got the whole season ahead of him. He's got the whole year to study the playbook and study other playbooks.

BECKEL: All right. Brian, what do you think?

TANTAROS: Is that what they're calling them now? Playbook.

KILMEADE: You could not catch Russell Wilson in Las Vegas partying. He was trying to earn up a spot and ended up being the No. 1 -- the No. 1 quarterback out of training. He was a third round draft pick. And Super Bowl in his second year.

Derek Jeter did party, as Dana was telling me, in Nebraska. But you never read about it on page six, because he did it in a responsible way. There's way to do this thing. This is a bad start by a guy that needs to start for Cleveland right off the bat.

BECKEL: You're a wuss. What do -- what do you think?

TANTAROS: He looked like he was having a good time. It looked like a lot of fun.

KILMEADE: I back that up.

TANTAROS: I would have a hard time saying no. And I don't think he's been the first quarterback to be outed for partying. And he certainly won't be the last. But he is -- he is Johnny Football.

And you know what? The only thing that matters is what he's doing a few Sundays from now. It's not going to matter what he was doing this past Sunday. If he wins, no one will care about him being poolside with very voluptuous women. If he loses, he will be in that Cleveland Browns dawg pound or whatever it's called.

PERINO: It's not voluptuous women. It was voluptuous men.

BECKEL: I don't -- I don't understand. I'm with Eric on this. This guy's got -- he's got money now.

KILMEADE: Oh, you're right; so let's go party.

BECKEL: Let's go party.

KILMEADE: If you have money, have no discipline at all.

BOLLING: It's may. I mean...

KILMEADE: I want to know -- I don't want -- I want to know the future of my franchise is not going to be in Las Vegas.

BECKEL: ... all that good a quarterback when all is said and done. "One More Thing" is up next.

BOLLING: Oh, my goodness.


PERINO: I have missed the commercial break. Fabulous that one.

It's time now for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off, because I mentioned I was in South Carolina. I had a great time. Here is your favorite, America's dog, Jasper. Just want to show you a couple pictures. On the Harley with the side car. We were just cruising around very slowly. That's why he has no helmet. We went swimming in the pool. That was my favorite one. That's like the cannonball picture. And this is his very best friend, Grady, down in South Carolina yesterday when they were saying good-bye.

Did you miss him, Bob? Did you miss me, Bob?

BECKEL: I can't tell you. Now it's -- vacation.

TANTAROS: I love the one where his ear is inside out.

PERINO: I love it, too. So cute.

OK, Bob, you're next.

BECKEL: All right. I want to read you a story from a British newspaper. Alert, yawn, two jack blanks got married in Italy Saturday. Sex tape star Kim Kardashian, 33, wed egotist Canyon East -- or West, 36, at a wedding opulent enough for Florence's Viducian (ph) dynasty and tacky enough for reality TV. They were betrothed at Florence's 16th Century fort biddy-bee-you Castle. Olympian athlete Bruce Jenner walked Kim down the aisle. The republic still stands.

I think that's right. The rest of you can just take a deep breath. It's over. Thank God.

PERINO: Feets (ph) are off. I like that. That's a very nice little way to put that.

All right. Andrea, you're next.

TANTAROS: All righty. So last week, we discussed who the best vocalist was in the history of vocals, and Eric,, you I both said Freddie Mercury, and now it looks like Queen will be releasing a new album, for all you Freddie Mercury fans with unreleased songs.

BECKEL: Oh, is that -- is he in Queen?

TANTAROS: And they're going to do a follow-up...

BECKEL: Is he in Queen?

TANTAROS: ... they're working on.

BOLLING: He's dead now.

BECKEL: Oh, he's dead? Well, that's too bad.

TANTAROS: Yes, Bob. He's passed away.

BECKEL: Anyway, that's too bad. I'm sorry.

TANTAROS: "We Will Rock You," the sequel. So a lot of good news to hear his great voice, again.

BECKEL: The dude's dead? How old was he?

KILMEADE: Easy come, easy go.

PERINO: All right. Eric, you're next. Save us.

BOLLING: OK. I'll try. Steve -- another fantastic vocalist from '70s, '80s and '90s, Steve Perry...

BECKEL: Is he alive?

BOLLING: ... he used to be the front man for Journey.


BOLLING: He's still alive, but he left Journey.

TANTAROS: So stupid.

BOLLING: I know, he did. But the guy they found on YouTube was fantastic. Anyway, so Steve Perry shows up -- Dana pointed this out.


BOLLING: Shows up over the weekend.

PERINO: You loved it.

BOLLING: Take a listen. He hasn't been on a stage, a concert stage for over 20 -- about 20 years. Take a listen.




BECKEL: That is awful.

PERINO: You wish you were there.

BOLLING: I wish I was there. I love Journey. We play a lot of Journey on this show.

TANTAROS: I'm not knocking the song "Foolish Heart," but do you really think he was going to do it better?

BOLLING: I don't know.

TANTAROS: It's like Lou Graham. What were they thinking? Now Lou Graham's doing, like, national anthems at upstate, you know, New York baseball...

BECKEL: I agree with you.

KILMEADE: The voice, that was issue with him, and now he's coming back. And I don't think he had any idea Journey was going to last like it did.

BECKEL: I couldn't agree with you more. I think it's horrible. And terrible.

TANTAROS: Bob, be quiet.

BOLLING: The really, really interesting thing is Arnel Pineda, who took over for Steve Perry...

PERINO: They found him on a YouTube clip.

BECKEL: And Billy Simon took over for -- I never heard of Journey or Queens [SIC] in my life.

PERINO: You never heard of Journey?

BECKEL: Never.

PERINO: Are you kidding me? Who did you have playing at the DMZ (ph)? Didn't have any named bands?

BECKEL: I know a lot of queens but I don't know who Queen is.

PERINO: All right, all right.


KILMEADE: Real quick. It's been a while since I covered sports, and I'm not a big guy in international tennis. But there's something that really caught my attention. Nicholas Mahut was at the French Open, and he lost in the opening round. So he's destroyed emotionally. And he's saying to himself, "Oh, my goodness. I cannot believe I lost, but I've got to do the press conference."

I never thought he'd get -- nor did he think he'd get a question like this after losing in France at the French Open. Let's listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Congratulations.

NICHOLAS MAHUT, TENNIS PLAYER: Congratulations? I lost.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You lost? Oh. OK. So what -- what happened out there?

MAHUT: Are you serious? Did you watch the match?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I didn't. I was told that you won. I'm sorry.

MAHUT (via translator): Questions in French, please.


KILMEADE: French after that. The guy didn't watch the match. He got the wrong guy who won. That was incredible.

PERINO: All right. Well, that is a good one.

Thank you for being here.

Brian is here because our friend, Greg Gutfeld, he went out to California, because we wanted to leave you with some sad news. Greg's mom, Jackie, she passed away on Saturday in California. She was 89. If you watch this show, you may have heard Greg talk about his mom, Jackie.

He just wrote a beautiful tribute to her that's now posted on our Facebook page, and here's a portion of it. He writes, "She saw I had an active imagination and a keen desire to express it and gently but enthusiastically encouraged me to skip down that path, a cheerleader and friend who took great satisfaction in watching me create things that made me and her laugh. None of my work would have been possible without my mother's love and support."

Greg and his family are in our thoughts and prayers here on "The Five." Good night, everyone.

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