Teen who Texas cop drew gun on at pool party speaks out
Adrian Martin describes the incident on 'Hannity'
This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 10, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity" The attorney for Officer Eric Casebolt spoke out earlier today about his client's resignation in the aftermath of that out of control pool party in Texas. Watch this.
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JANE BISHKIN, ERIC CASEBOLT'S ATTORNEY: Eric's actions at the Craig Ranch neighborhood were only an attempt to investigate the reports of violent assaults. His purpose was to interview as many persons as possible to determine who was involved. He believed that those who fled were possible suspects.
He was not targeting minorities. In fact, he also detained a white female who you do not see on the video. His efforts to gather information was hampered by some teenagers who were instructing others to defy police instructions.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HANNITY: Now, the video seems to back up what the attorney was saying. Now, we have slowed it down for you tonight. Now, after detaining the teen girl, who was reportedly defying his orders, Officer Casebolt was surrounded, and two people, as you see there, came up behind him, forcing the officer to draw his weapon.
Joining us now is Adrian Martin. That's the person you see on the left side of the video, who came up behind Officer Casebolt. And also with us is his attorney. Heath Harris, is with us. All right, thank you for being with us.
Adrian, let me start with you.
HEATH HARRIS, ADRIAN MARTIN'S ATTORNEY: Thanks for having us.
HANNITY: I look at the video. He is dealing with this young girl who's on the ground. And then there you come up, and you're doing some little dance kind of provoking him. You're almost behind him. You're out of his sight of vision. Why were you doing that?
ADRIAN MARTIN, TEEN MCKINNEY COP DREW GUN ON: First off, Mr. Hannity, I'd like to start off by saying, if you look at the video correctly, there's several people that are surrounding the officer, and...
HANNITY: And you're one of them, and you're doing a little dance, obviously trying to provoke and get in the middle of the police doing his job. Why were you doing that?
MARTIN: No, sir.
HANNITY: No?
MARTIN: What had happened was...
HANNITY: Were you asking...
MARTIN: No, I haven't...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: So what was the little dance you were doing?
MARTIN: OK, as you can see in the video, I'm trying to communicate with the girl, tell her we are going to call her mother. Me and my friend, we both are. And as you can see...
HANNITY: Really? That's what you were doing? Why do I -- why does that seem suspicious to me? Because I'm looking at you and I'm watching you get up kind of right behind the officer. And you're, like, moving in a provocative way that seems to me, at least looking, without hearing anything -- it looks to me like you're trying to get in the way of the cop doing his job.
And then he comes out. He doesn't -- from his perspective, he doesn't know if you have a gun or a knife or what you're doing behind his back, does he.
MARTIN: No, sir. But as you can see, like I said, we are on an incline. And my friend accidentally bumps me twice which makes it look like I'm charging toward the officer. But as you can see in the video, I slipped, and back up immediately.
HANNITY: No, I don't see anybody bumping you as you're doing what looks like a little provocative dance there. I don't see anybody bump you.
HARRIS: If you look at the video in an objective manner, you will clearly see that they're on an incline. The person behind him bumps him not once but twice. And the dance that you're referring to...
HANNITY: All right, let's slow it down. We've slowed down...
HARRIS: ... is him shuffling down the hill.
HANNITY: Counselor...
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS: Slow it down, please. Yes.
HANNITY: We're going to slow it down. There it is...
HARRIS: And you're going to see the other individual...
HANNITY: Why are you...
HARRIS: ... bump him not once but twice.
HANNITY: OK, but that doesn't...
HARRIS: And he stumbles...
HANNITY: ... answer the question. Why is -- why is...
HARRIS: He stumbles...
HANNITY: Why -- but that doesn't answer the question, Adrian. Why are you going up almost right in this cop's grill? You're right in his face. You're, like, two feet away from him while he's...
HARRIS: He is not right in his face.
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Why are you doing that?
HARRIS: If you look at the video, Mr. Hannity -- if you look at the video, what you're going to see is he's on an incline. He's accidentally bumped in the officer's direction. He immediately backs up.
HANNITY: You're making a big deal about the...
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HANNITY: Because the cop turned towards him! That's why he backed up!
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS: ... a big deal because an experienced officer -- correct, the officer turns towards him...
HANNITY: All right...
HARRIS: ... looks at him. He's at least...
HANNITY: Are you going to speak...
HARRIS: ... five yards away from him...
HANNITY: ... for your client, or is your client able to speak for himself at all?
HARRIS: Absolutely. That's my job. That's my job.
HANNITY: OK, that -- you're not potted plant. I got it. Great line.
HARRIS: Yes, sir.
HANNITY: But that doesn't seem like too big a hill here. But I'm looking at this video objectively. Here a cop's doing his job. And it seems, Adrian, like you're getting pretty close into his grill, into his work zone. And you're being provocative while he is doing his job. Why did you do that?
MARTIN: Honestly, sir, I wasn't being provocative. I had no intention on charging the officer whatsoever. And I disagree with what he did. I honestly don't think he should have drew his weapon because I backed up immediately, not when he looked at me...
HANNITY: Do you not...
MARTIN: ... but as soon as I got down there.
HANNITY: But let me ask you to get in -- try and be a police officer, all right? You're in the middle of an arrest. It's obviously a very volatile situation that's evolved. You're the cop...
HARRIS: It's a volatile situation...
HANNITY: This is for Adrian. I'm asking him.
HARRIS: Yes, sir. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
HANNITY: So it's a volatile situation there, and he's doing his job. And then out of the corner of his eye, he sees two guys maybe two feet away from him, behind him. From his -- can you not see from his perspective that that is a dangerous position for him to be in, Adrian?
MARTIN: OK, sir, I do see that. But can you answer this? In what point of the video was I ever behind the officer? You can clearly see that I'm...
HANNITY: You're outside of his line of sight.
MARTIN: (INAUDIBLE) side.
HANNITY: You're three quarters of the way behind him.
HARRIS: Sir, if you look at the video from the...
HANNITY: That cop doesn't know if you're there to hurt him or not!
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: That cop doesn't know!
HARRIS: I agree with you. I agree with that point. But everyone there was pleading with the officer not to hurt the little girl. They're pleading with the little girl to calm down so that he won't break her neck.
And at that point, when he's in contact with the little girl, he's trying to force her face on the ground. His commands are heard, Get your face in the ground. That's not lawful for an officer to do, so...
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS: And if you look at the video, he immediately backs up.
HANNITY: Again, audio would be...
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS: When he backs up, I agree with you -- I would agree with you that when Mr. Martin comes off that hill toward him, he had every right to protect his weapon.
HANNITY: There was...
HARRIS: But a trained officer with his experience should have...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: But here's what you're missing. You're missing a point.
HARRIS: No, no.
HANNITY: You're missing a point!
HARRIS: (INAUDIBLE) main evidence. There are three other officers that are out there. If they believed that Mr. Martin was trying to harm that officer, they would have drawn their weapons. But based on the totality of all the circumstances...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: But those officers...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Counselor, I'm limited on my time here. Those officers had a much different perspective because, again, your client, Adrian, is out of his line of vision and behind him within two feet in a volatile situation. And you're right, he has to protect his weapon. That's a very good point.
HARRIS: Correct.
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: My only question -- are you planning to sue the police department over this now?
HARRIS: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. What we want to make sure is that this officer is held accountable for his actions, and a mere resignation is not sufficient.
HANNITY: Well, what do you want, put in jail?
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HANNITY: What do you want?
HARRIS: Absolutely. Absolutely. He should be held accountable.
HANNITY: You want the officer in jail?
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HARRIS: That's up to the citizens of Carlin (ph) County.
HANNITY: You're dreaming!
HARRIS: But what he's guilty of is official oppression. And if you look at official oppression, he clearly uses...
HANNITY: Official oppression?
HARRIS: Absolutely.
HANNITY: Are you serious?
HARRIS: I'm a former...
HANNITY: Are you serious?
HARRIS: I am former public integrity prosecutor. Yes.
HANNITY: All right...
HARRIS: If you're in the state of Texas, we have...
HANNITY: I have some advice...
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HANNITY: OK...
HARRIS: Well, let me explain to you why I believe...
HANNITY: I don't have the time...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: I don't have the time for that.
HARRIS: OK.
HANNITY: But I have to go, but I have some advice...
HARRIS: But look up official oppression.
HANNITY: Sir, I have advice for Adrian.
HARRIS: Yes, sir.
HANNITY: If you see an officer in the process of doing his job, you cannot come in behind him or at an angle with he can't see you. And if you're unhappy with how he's doing his job, you had other alternatives. You could have gone to the other officers and said, Hey, I don't like what's going on over here.
But going behind an officer -- you got to understand his mindset. He doesn't know if you have a gun. He doesn't know if you have a knife. You're in right his grill. You're within two feet of him. And that's a dangerous position to put yourself in.
HARRIS: But Mr. Hannity, we agree with you, sir.
HANNITY: So I think you -- I think there's a lesson to be learned here for a lot of people.
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS: He never intentionally approached the officer. He was knocked toward the officer...
HANNITY: He was within two feet of him, sir! I can -- look at the video!
HARRIS: But he never intentionally approached the officer...
HANNITY: He's doing a dance in front of him!
HARRIS: ... like you're trying to say he...
HANNITY: He's provoking him!
HARRIS: He is not doing a dance.
HANNITY: All right, I got to...
HARRIS: He stumbled off the hill, sir, and then he immediately backed back. Look up official oppression...
HANNITY: Thank you both for being with us.
HARRIS: ... because that's what he's going to be charged with.
MARTIN: Thank you, sir.
HANNITY: I don't think he's going to be charged. I think you're dreaming. But thank you both for joining us.
All right, here now with more reaction, we have former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman and former NYPD detective Bo Dietl. Guys, good to you see you both. You were -- you were shaking your head. You were getting pretty annoyed...
BO DIETL, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, you know, I think you're a cop by blood or something...
HANNITY: I'm Irish.
DIETL: ... because everything you said was the truth. I mean, the reason for a cop bringing his gun out of his holster is he's in fear of something. We don't know what these punks in back of him are going to do, take a knife out, a gun out. He felt as though he was losing control of the situation.
Those other two cops showed up. Yes, they were the cavalry, but he didn't see them, Sean. He was in the midst being surrounded. And he didn't into anything wrong by removing his gun. He took it out because he feared...
HANNITY: And he kept it down.
DIETL: ... the guys in back of him. I don't know what that guy said about -- maybe the guy said, Hey, I'll pop a cap at you. Hey, you do what you got to do because you fear for your life. And that cop is justified in removing his weapon if he fears for his life!
HANNITY: What do you think, Mark Fuhrman?
MARK FUHRMAN, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Sean, you know, the whole situation -- I mean, it seems kind of bizarre that we're talking about an unruly pool party. I mean, that's really the crux of the whole thing.
And then the situation -- I mean, the way I see this, this officer, from all my information, he escalated his own tactical problem by rushing in by himself instead of waiting for another unit. There was no shooting in progress. There was no fight in progress.
There were kids that were unruly at a pool party and they wouldn't leave. That's it. So you wait for three or four officers, and you walk calmly in, say, Party's over, time to go.
HANNITY: Well, Mark, let me...
(CROSSTALK)
FUHRMAN: When he rushed in there, he escalated it.
HANNITY: Let me give you more details. There was a resident quoted as saying that he watched the whole thing. He was the person that called the cops. He said the 30 seconds or the seven minutes that you see on camera do not capture the amount of violence that was actually taking place in this incident.
DIETL: Mark, I saw video. I saw video, Mark, prior to this. There was fights on the ground. They were punching each other in the face. There was a lot of fights going on. So when this cop arrives at the scene, there's a lot of turmoil going on. So he's all jacked up.
It's very difficult, Mark, with these cell phone cameras that they got to take one little portion of this, and now all of a sudden, the world sees this, the cops are racist, the cop is this, the cop is that! What was in that cop's mind when he pulled the gun? Did he fear that the guys in back of him could have hurt him?
(CROSSTALK)
FUHRMAN: We have to back up. We have to forget the gun right now. We have to back up. And if everything you say it true, there's kids fighting, there's struggles, and you know, wrestling going on, it's even more reason for the officer to wait for more officers before he goes in so they can have a command presence and maintain somebody's cover of their back.
HANNITY: Mark, but I'm not sure that didn't happen.
FUHRMAN: Getting to the gun...
HANNITY: If you look how quickly these two officers come in, it appears that they did go in together, but maybe got separated. Here's my question. I want you to comment specifically on these two kids that got pretty close in his grill there behind him. To me, a cop is going to expect the worst in that moment, isn't he?
FUHRMAN: Well, you can say in this situation he is, but you have to - - you have to take everything in the total context. Look at where you are and what you're dealing with. Look at the kids you're dealing with. Look at your surroundings. Look at the time of day. It's daylight. You're wrestling on the ground with a 14-year-old girl. And you've got kids in bathing suits running around in T-shirts.
You're not in the hood. You're not in a gang area. You're not in that level.
(CROSSTALK)
FUHRMAN: Let me finish -- no, Bo, Bo, let me finish this!
DIETL: You're making...
(CROSSTALK)
DIETL: You're making a judgment with this cop.
FUHRMAN: No, can I finish?
DIETL: You can see that cop actually push the other cop because he was in such a turmoil there!
FUHRMAN: Can I finish, Sean?
DIETL: The other cop showed up...
HANNITY: All right, one at a time.
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: One at a time. Mark, go ahead.
FUHRMAN: When he escalated the force to a firearm, he eliminated pepper spray. He eliminated a taser. He eliminated a baton. And he immediately went to an item that was deadly force. So what was he going to do, Bo, if those two kids...
DIETL: Well, you know what?
FUHRMAN: ... wanted to tie up...
(CROSSTALK)
FUHRMAN: ... going to shoot one?
DIETL: I've been in situations where I pulled may gun out when I did all those stops (ph) at my side (ph). You know what sometimes?
FUHRMAN: So have i.
DIETL: When you pull a gun...
FUHRMAN: So have I.
DIETL: When you pull the gun out, sometimes it stops the turmoil, Mark, and it stops people from doing and escalating...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Hang on! Whoa, whoa! I have one question. If you look where the position of these two young men are, Mark, they are within two feet of his gun. That -- doesn't he have to protect his weapon, too?
FUHRMAN: Sean, protecting your weapon and trying to fight one or two individuals with one hand because you've got your gun unholstered in the other hand...
HANNITY: Yes.
FUHRMAN: ... is a tactical no-no.
HANNITY: All right.
FUHRMAN: You escalate the force...
HANNITY: All right.
FUHRMAN: ... one level above what you're dealing with, and he didn't do that. He went three, four times what he had to do.
(CROSSTALK)
DIETL: You know what, Mark? Again, Mark, right outside of this studio, Mark, I had three guys come up to me, around Thanksgiving, and they were going to rob me. You know what unescalated that robbery? My putting my hand on my gun and saying I'm going to put a cap somewhere! So if you want to...
FUHRMAN: We're not talking...
DIETL: It's a deterrent!
FUHRMAN: We're not talking about a robbery!
DIETL: It's a deterrent! It's a deterrent (INAUDIBLE) escalation.
FUHRMAN: We're not talking about a robbery, Bo!
DIETL: Yes, but it could have turned out to be a robbery!
FUHRMAN: Oh, come on!
HANNITY: All right, I got to run, guys. Thank you.
FUHRMAN: Sean -- Sean, you know what the problem is here?
HANNITY: What?
FUHRMAN: The media coverage on this pool party cost a man his career.
DIETL: Right.
DIETL: Which it shouldn't have been.
HANNITY: All right, thank you both. Appreciate it. Interesting, provocative questions.
Coming up, more tonight on "Hannity. " The pastor who called out Al Sharpton to his face and called him a pimp is going to be here to react to what appears to be some professional protesters descending now on McKinney, Texas.
Then a disturbing new e-mail shows Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby ordered cops to crack down in the area that Freddie Gray was, in fact, arrested. We'll check in with Geraldo.
And then later tonight, the RNC chairman, Reince Priebus, joins us to unveil his party's new political ad attacking Hillary Clinton. That and much more as we continue.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Now, last night on this program, a heated debate took place over whether professional protesters are actually being paid to travel around the country and disrupt communities that have had high-profile incidents with police.
For example, watch this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KEVIN JACKSON, BLACK SPHERE: You're just -- you're -- you're a sucker that's going around this country starting problems, not caring about what happens after the fact because it's giving you a bit of notoriety. You should just admit that. You're a race pimp!
DERAY MCKESSON, ACTIVIST: So Kevin, have you been to the funerals of all the victims of Sandy Hook, or all the victims of Katrina? Did you...
(CROSSTALK)
JACKSON: I'm not a professional...
MCKESSON: Do you care about those?
JACKSON: I'm not a professional running around the country...
(CROSSTALK)
JACKSON: I'm not a professional running around the country earning money to get this nonsense -- to do this nonsense.
MCKESSON: This not about...
JACKSON: I'm not running around the country doing this!
MCKESSON: Kevin, you should stop yelling.
JACKSON: I want you to answer the question!
MCKESSON: You want me to fit into this narrative. No, I've answered the question many times, and I'll say it again to you, is I'm going to places...
JACKSON: You're getting paid, Deray!
MCKESSON: ... like (INAUDIBLE) where the police have killed people -- where the police have killed people...
JACKSON: No, you're not! You're getting paid!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HANNITY: Joining me now, criminal defense attorney Eric Guster, as well as Pastor Marcus Mosiah Jarvis, who recently confronted the biggest professional race agitator in the country. That's the Reverend Al Sharpton. And he called him a pimp to his face! Wow!
PASTOR MARCUS MOSIAH JARVIS, CHRIST THE CORNERSTONE PRAISE AND WESTERN TABERNACLE: Yes, I did. Yes, I did.
HANNITY: Why?
JARVIS: Well, you know, they were having a rally in Hartford under the auspices that they were trying to bring attention to the crime rate and poverty. And then after this march, there was a gathering in Shiloh Baptist Church. And Reverend Al Sharpton and some other pastors began to pressure and demand money from the congregants. And I thought that that was absolutely wrong. And so I had to call it for what it is.
HANNITY: Yes. I thought that's pretty interesting. What are your thoughts on -- this guy that was on the program last night said to me he went to Ferguson, Baltimore, I think Florida, and McKinney, Texas. He's -- and he doesn't have a job! And he's going around the country. We have professional agitators going into communities and trying to create turmoil!
ERIC GUSTER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don't think -- that's almost like calling it snipe hunting, Hannity. You know that you're trying to say that...
HANNITY: Snipe hunting?
GUSTER: Yes. Have you ever heard of snipe hunting?
HANNITY: No.
GUSTER: Exactly.
(LAUGHTER)
GUSTER: It is an imaginary thing people make up, just like I think you're making it up about this professional...
HANNITY: He was on last night.
GUSTER: ... professional protester.
HANNITY: The guy was on -- I'm not making it up. He was on last night.
GUSTER: Right.
HANNITY: He was in Ferguson. He was in Baltimore. He was in McKinney, and I think he was at the Trayvon protests.
GUSTER: And college students go to...
(CROSSTALK)
GUSTER: ... and they don't have jobs. Doesn't make them...
HANNITY: ... 501(c)(3).
GUSTER: ... football fan.
HANNITY: What's your reaction to him calling Sharpton a pimp?
GUSTER: I don't agree with that sentiment. I wasn't there. I don't know what influenced that. But to -- if a pastor asks for money when they're traveling...
HANNITY: A pastor? Is that what you're calling Sharpton?
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GUSTER: He is.
HANNITY: All right, well, wait...
(CROSSTALK)
GUSTER: I don't have a problem with that.
HANNITY: Let's take a look at the pastor that has been in the White House 90 times, and ask if you think this is the person that should be in the White House with Obama 90 times. Does he have the character to be there? You decide.
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REV. AL SHARPTON, NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK: (INAUDIBLE) you ain't nothing. You're a punk (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Now, come on and do something.
It's the best chicken fried in the universe. (INAUDIBLE) was in the caves when we had built empires. We learned to admire them, but they knew to admire us. We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was!
David Dinkins. You wanna be the only (EXPLETIVE DELETED) on television, only (EXPLETIVE DELETED) in the newspaper, only (EXPLETIVE DELETED) that can talk.
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SHARPTON: If you're angry, throw your arms up. If you want justice, throw your arms up. If you want answers, throw your arms up. Because that's the sign Michael was using, running around digging (ph) up, trying to act like he had a gang sign. No, he had a surrender sign. That's the sign you got to deal with. Don't make up no signs. Deal with the last sign he's shown. And we want answers why that sign was not respected.
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HANNITY: That guy belong in the White House?
GUSTER: No, Pastor Jarvis said he wanted to...
(CROSSTALK)
JARVIS: Yes, I want to respond to this.
HANNITY: No, you don't want -- you want to duck the question.
(CROSSTALK)
GUSTER: I want to respond to this. You know, we are all a work in progress. You know, Jesus said he would -- that none would perish. And we cannot say that he has not grown from his earlier days until now.
HANNITY: He was saying, "Hands up, down shoot"! Wait a minute! The Eric Holder Justice Department concluded that never happened!
GUSTER: OK.
HANNITY: It never happened! It was a big lie that was perpetrated and advanced by him!
GUSTER: And he has not -- Sharpton has not mentioned the "Hands up, don't shoot" after the Justice Department came out with (INAUDIBLE)
HANNITY: But he did rush to judgment beforehand and whipping up people's minds into a frenzy!
GUSTER: That is what the evidence showed at the time.
HANNITY: No. No, that's what Damian Johnson, that guy that was in the...
(CROSSTALK)
GUSTER: Several people said that, Sean.
HANNITY: ... in the convenience robbing the store with Michael Brown!
GUSTER: Several people said that.
JARVIS: Yes, but that's not really the issue. The fact of the matter is, we're all still brothers in Christ. And at the end of the day, just like with David and Saul -- Saul -- the kingdom was rent from Saul and because of his disobedience and his rebellion. But nevertheless, the Bible says, Touch not mine anointed. So at the end of our day, that's still our brother and we have to pray for him.
Me calling a pimp was to correct him. And hopefully, he received that correction. And it's more than just Al Sharpton. We have a systemic...
HANNITY: OK, I'll concede...
JARVIS: ... -with the...
HANNITY: ... -your point. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
JARVIS: That's correct.
HANNITY: OK. Using the N word for a black mayor in New York, using the F word, a derisive term towards gays and lesbians...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we're going to make...
HANNITY: ... using racist terminology, white interlopers -- I can go through the list of times. Does that man belong in the White House, or is that history gone on way too long?
JARVIS: All I can answer, again, is, you know, you have to look at...
HANNITY: He's on tape with a deal involving cocaine! You ever see that?
JARVIS: No, I haven't.
HANNITY: You need to see it.
JARVIS: Well, that's why (INAUDIBLE)
HANNITY: You ever see that tape?
GUSTER: I've not seen the tape, but I did read...
HANNITY: You need to watch "Hannity" every night, 10:00 Eastern!
(LAUGHTER)
GUSTER: But just like Pastor said, we're all a work in progress. And what you're talking about are clips from many, many years ago. That's at least 10 years ago, Sean.
JARVIS: And -- and...
GUSTER: So I don't think Reverend Sharpton...
(CROSSTALK)
GUSTER: ... fair to say that.
JARVIS: Republican Sharpton is just symbolic of a system that's rife -- at the body of Christ is rife with pimps for pastors. Look at the state of the church in the inner-city communities and the suburbs. We have churches all over the place, but look at the state of our country.
HANNITY: Let me ask you a question...
JARVIS: So there's a divide between us in the body of Christ that needs to stop.
HANNITY: Do you think...
JARVIS: There's a divide on racial lines. There's a divide on economic lines. We have to look past our differences the same way that Christ says, I cast your sins...
HANNITY: Listen...
JARVIS: ... into the sea of forgetfulness...
HANNITY: I agree.
JARVIS: ... and move forward.
HANNITY: And a president that only talks about high-profile racial incidents like Ferguson and Cambridge and Florida and Trayvon Martin and speaks out about Freddie Gray but doesn't talk about black-on-black crime and how many young children of God are being killed!
JARVIS: We don't talk about white-on-white crime. We don't talk about...
HANNITY: We should.
JARVIS: ... white-on-white crime.
HANNITY: We should, but it doesn't advance his narrative.
GUSTER: But why don't you? Why don't you, though? I mean, but -- and President Obama has talked about black-on-black crime. Michelle Obama actually gave a speech...
HANNITY: Barely hear about it. Never hear about it.
GUSTER: No, you said never -- now you're saying barely. Which one do you want to...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Do you know the name of...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Give me the name of one kid in Chicago...
GUSTER: You said never. Now you want...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: You've said that five times how.
GUSTER: Right!
HANNITY: Give me the name of one kid that's been shot and killed in Chicago in the last year!
GUSTER: So which one is it? Is it never or barely, Sean?
HANNITY: OK, name one kid...
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HANNITY: Wait a minute! In the last year. Name one.
GUSTER: Why don't you answer my question?
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: I can't remember a single incident!
JARVIS: How about this. You get two people...
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JARVIS: ... one kid that runs up into a school and kills 32 people.
GUSTER: Right.
HANNITY: Big deal.
JARVIS: White-on-white crime, black-on-black crime.
GUSTER: Colorado...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: I got to run.
(CROSSTALK)
JARVIS: ... away from being a race issue and look at it as being an issue that needs to be addressed...
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HANNITY: And the president shouldn't rush to judgment on high-profile race incidents where he's a three-time loser, with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown...
GUSTER: I disagree with (INAUDIBLE)
HANNITY: ... Michael Brown in Ferguson...
GUSTER: I totally disagree with that. I totally disagree with that.
HANNITY: He rushed to judgment.
GUSTER: You mentioned...
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GUSTER: So you're saying George Zimmerman was right?
HANNITY: Absolutely!
GUSTER: Really?
JARVIS: Are you serious?
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GUSTER: Oh, my God! You're defending George Zimmerman?
HANNITY: I'm defending the verdict...
GUSTER: Your credibility has gone out the window...
HANNITY: Excuse me! Could I finish?
GUSTER:... like baby in the bath water.
HANNITY: Excuse me! Maybe you don't believe in a person being innocent until proven guilty...
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HANNITY: Let me finish!
(CROSSTALK)
GUSTER: Oh, I do!
JARVIS: Do you think that racism has totally been eradicated in this country?
HANNITY: No. Absolutely not. But let me finish. There was an eyewitness in the Trayvon Martin case that saw -- that saw Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman grounding and pounding...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Let me -- are you going to let me finish?
GUSTER: No. You never let me finish.
HANNITY: Are you going to let me finish?
(CROSSTALK)
JARVIS: Do you think racism has been totally eradicated in this country?
HANNITY: No, absolutely not. Let me finish. There as an eyewitness in the Trayvon Martin that saw Travon Martin on top of George Zimmerman grounding and pounding his head into cement --
GUSTER: After George Zimmerman --
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HANNITY: Are you going to let me finish? Grounding and pounding his head into cement and George Zimmerman screaming for his life at the top of his lungs. That resulted in the verdict as it came down, and I trust the jury system. And I believe on those circumstances, he believed his life was in jeopardy. And facts and evidence are different than rushing to judgment like our constitutional president does!
JARVIS: I agree with you. That notwithstanding, don't you -- you have to admit to the fact that the judicial system has its own racist components.
HANNITY: Agreed. There's some.
JARVIS: When 15 percent -- we only -- African-Americans only comprise 15 percent of the U.S. population. Of that 15 percent, a small portion are African-American males. Of that...
HANNITY: I will concede...
JARVIS: ... 50 percent are incarcerated!
HANNITY: Concede your point that there is -- you could use the crack cocaine-powder cocaine argument. And I think you're absolutely right. Same drug, different form, different -- you have different communities, different drugs. And it is the same thing, and I think there's inequality in the criminal justice system.
JARVIS: That needs to be corrected.
HANNITY: Conceding the point.
JARVIS: That needs to be corrected.
HANNITY: Agree. Agreed. All right, I got to go.
Coming up -- disturbing new report about the Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby. She allegedly told the police to ramp up their paroles in the very same area that Freddie Gray was arrested just weeks before his death. We'll check in with Geraldo Rivera. He's here to weigh in on that development.
And later tonight, the RNC chairman, Reince Priebus, is here to explain how the GOP plans to take on Hillary Clinton with her big speech expected this weekend. Oh, I can hardly wait. It's must see viewing.
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MARILYN MOSBY, BALTIMORE CITY STATE'S ATTORNEY: To the people of Baltimore and the demonstrators across America, I heard you call for no justice, no peace. Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man.
To those that are angry, hurt or have their own experiences of injustice at the hands of police officers, I urge you to channel the energy peacefully as we prosecute this case. I have heard your calls for no justice, no peace. However your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of Freddie Gray.
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HANNITY: That was Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby promising to bring justice in the Freddie Gray case. But tonight a newly uncovered e-mail obtained by the "Baltimore Sun" reveals that Mosby ordered the cops to ramp up patrols in the exact area where Freddie Gray was in fact arrested. According the report an e-mail sent form Mosby's office to a western district police commander said, quote, "States Attorney Mosby has asked me to look into the community concerns regarding drug dealing in the area of North Ave and Mount St." The e-mail was reportedly forwarded to several police officers who were then instructed to being a, quote, "daily narcotic initiative" in the area and with their progress that is going to be measured daily.
So what does it mean in this case, and should in fact Marilyn Mosby recuse herself? Here with reaction are Baltimore's former deputy state attorney Page Croyder is with us, and FOX News senior correspondent Geraldo Rivera. I have said from the beginning she needs to recuse herself. Thoughts?
GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: She asked for justice, she asked for peace. She got neither. Instead of peace, or she bought some time. The riots did end. Credit her with a political success. But in terms of justice, there's no justice here. This clearly is a prosecutor who was acting as a politician. She was the person who urged the cops to go to this area. She was the person who -- one of the officers receiving the memo is Lieutenant Brian Rice. He's one of the accused. So here he gets a memo, be aggressive, use all your tactics, crack down on crime, crack down on --
HANNITY: This is a known drug dealer.
RIVERA: And right there in the area. Now he is accused of committing a crime trying to follow her orders. I think that it's bizarre. I don't think she should recuse. I think that there will be a change of venue in this case and these officers will be acquitted. This is definitely exculpatory evidence for these officers.
HANNITY: Page, your reaction?
PAGE CROYDER, FORMER BALTIMORE DEPUTY STATE ATTORNEY: When she first filed her charges, I had two major criticisms. One was how fast she did it. She couldn't possibly have had time to have all the evidence in front of her to make the right decision, not a political decision, but the right decision for justice purposes. And the other was the arrests of the arresting officers who were not implicated in the death of Freddie Gray. She was charging them criminally simply because they had arrested Freddie Gray. Her claim was that they arrested him without probable cause. That claim is falling apart, falling apart from the very beginning.
But here's the irony of what she did. If she sends an e-mail -- and I say "if." We don't have confirmation. The defense attorney brought this to the judge's attention. If her office asked them to crack down in this area, she is saying to the police officers go forth. I want you to be aggressive. I want you to use all tools at your disposal to cut down on the drug trafficking on this corner, which, by the way, is a corner in her husband's district. I think her conflict of interest began there because if she is talking to the police department about cracking down on drugs at a corner in her husband's district, which was an unusual thing for her to do outside of a joint investigation, there is a conflict of interest.
But if you're saying to the police department I want you to be aggressive, that's what they're going to do. And that's what leads to these kinds of incidents. She's claiming that by running after Freddie Gray who was running from them and grabbing him and then frisking him, that that was a criminal act, it was set in motion by her own behavior.
HANNITY: Wow, that's a powerful, strong case you made. Geraldo, last question. Why won't she release the autopsy report?
RIVERA: She has asked for a gag order. We had a gag order, if she had been granted that motion, we never would know about the e-mail. Now the autopsy, why won't you release the autopsy? You know what the autopsy will reveal. It will reveal that Freddie Gray was deeply inebriated, intoxicated, using whatever, you know, was in his system. I don't know and I don't want to prejudge him, but he was a known narcotics user in this area, this hot zone where they directed the cops to use all of their most aggressive tactics. I don't see how these cops get --
CROYDER: Ms. Mosby wants it both ways. She wants to say go after the drug dealers, but if you make the mistake and arrest them, I'm going to charge you criminally. She says in a press conference -- the autopsy report says it was a homicide, but now she says you can't see the autopsy report.
HANNITY: I've got to run. Thank you, both, powerful case by both of you.
And up next tonight on "Hannity."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clinton poll numbers heading in the wrong decision.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A growing number saying she's not honest.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything that she's about is a turnoff.
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HANNITY: Hillary set to make her first big campaign speech this weekend. The RNC, well, they're getting prepared. Chairman Reince Priebus, he unveils their latest hot political ad coming up next. And also, Jerry Seinfeld takes on the PC police and explains how comics are afraid to tell jokes these days. That and more straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So this weekend Hillary Clinton is set to give her first big campaign speech right here in New York. So how are Republicans going to respond if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination? It may look like this new RNC ad. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary Clinton's poll numbers heading in the wrong direction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A growing number say she's not honest.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything that she's about right now is a turnoff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An avalanche of bad stories.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Favorability is falling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She's trying to position herself as the champion of everyday Americans.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She hasn't driven herself in her own vehicle in 20 years.
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: In 1996.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's a disconnect with normal, everyday people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was $25 million in campaign speeches.
CLINTON: Go to the end of the line.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's to hold a crowd while she speaks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They act like she's allergic to real people.
GRAPHIC: Hillary Clinton: Wrong for America.
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HANNITY: All right, here to explain more is the RNC chairman Reince Priebus. I'm only guessing but it seems like you're only touching the surface because I didn't hear about a woman that said she's two steps away from being a hoarder except when it comes to her e-mail account, which she erases. So I would expect more coming, right?
REINCE PRIEBUS, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: Well, it's just the tip of the iceberg, Sean. But, you know, think about what's going on here. If you remember now, you and I talked what may have been a month ago about when Hillary launched her campaign and it was this brilliant idea of getting in a van, and it was going to be quiet and average and everything that she's not.
Now they're doing round two. I don't remember a presidential campaign having a second rollout. This is like a redo happening on Saturday. So now she's going to do this on Roosevelt Island in New York. But we're going to be there like we should be. And we'll be there, we will hand out a few surprises and we'll have a lot of folks over there as well.
HANNITY: All right, so she's getting all this money, and then she -- obviously, countries like Saudi Arabia bought her silence because she's never criticized their abysmal human rights record or women's right record or gay and lesbian rights record. So, and then of course Iran, Sweden was able to continue their business with Iran while the rest of the world was in fact putting up sanctions against them. The Clinton Foundation got $26 million there. How big an issue do you think that will be with voters?
PRIEBUS: Well, it's going to be a huge issue, Sean, because, you know, here's the thing, presidential elections come down to obviously the issues, but it also comes down to the question of, you know, which one of these candidates care more about you? Who do you want to have a beer with? Who do you like? Who do you relate to? And Hillary Clinton is un- relatable. Number one, you see poll after poll people are finding her to be untrustworthy by 60 percent. But, number two, she doesn't live a life that's remotely close to any actual average families that are out there in Ohio that are going to be voting.
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HANNITY: She hasn't driven a car in 20 years. Good grief. Let me put -- go ahead. Finish your thought.
PRIEBUS: I was just going to say that her research team puts out a hit piece on Marco Rubio for getting a couple speeding tickets when in reality she hasn't driven a car. She comes up on the short end of that deal.
HANNITY: I have a picture that looks like the one, they call it a luxury speed boat in the "New York Times." It's a little itty bitty fishing boat. It's almost like a dinghy. And then of course they didn't put in a picture of the $7 million New Zealand built yacht of John Kerry, or that the Clintons made $100 million in the last couple of years. Is this what every Republican is going to have to deal with? They have a little dinghy versus extravagance and opulence on a level the Clinton are, like kings and queens?
PRIEBUS: Listen, but it's also going to be up to us and your listeners and us having a RNC that has its act together and is competent and can get these messages out on the streets, not just through television advertising, but having 10 people every 10 blocks reminding people across the country in the battleground states who Hillary and Bill Clinton really are. So it's going to take a lot of work. And we're going to be there to make sure that that happens.
HANNITY: Chairman, good to see you. Thanks for being with us, appreciate it.
Coming up next, you don't want to miss it here on "Hannity. "
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JERRY SEINFELD, ACTOR AND COMEDIAN: You now need to apologize. I mean, there's a creepy PC thing out there that really bothers me.
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HANNITY: Comedian Jerry Seinfeld takes on the PC police. Up next Dagen McDowell, Tom Shillue, they'll join us with reaction. Can you even tell a joke in this day and age? Straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So last night the always funny comedian Jerry Seinfeld lashed out on how PC this country has become. Watch this.
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SEINFELD: I did this line recently in front of an audience. Comedy is where you can kind of feel like an opinion. And they thought, what are you talking about gay? Why are you saying "gay"? What are you doing? What do you mean? You know? And I thought, are you kidding me? I mean, we can't even --
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SEINFELD: I can imagine a time, and this is a serious thing, I can imagine a time when people would say that is offensive to suggest that a gay person moves their hands in a flourishing motion, and you now need to apologize. I mean, there's a creepy PC thing out there that really bothers me.
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HANNITY: Joining me now, the brand new host of "Red Eye" Tom Shillue. Congratulations, sir.
TOM SHILLUE, HOST, "RED EYE": Thank you for offering me the job, Sean.
HANNITY: Yes. I had everything to do with it.
DAGEN MCDOWELL, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK: He's going to buy some new clothes.
HANNITY: They never invited me on the show once.
SHILLUE: I'll invite you right now, Sean.
HANNITY: OK.
SHILLUE: Is he going to come? That's the question.
MCDOWELL: They said you're a fun sponge and they don't want you on the show.
HANNITY: Wow.
HANNITY: Go ahead and insult the host.
You know, it used to be you could tell a funny ethnic joke. It used to be that you can make fun of people. We're now, like, everyone is scared to death to say something that might offend someone. And you know what? It's not funny anymore. I like it when it's funny. Andif people are offended, too bad. They're only words, get over it.
SHILLUE: You don't need to tell me. You want to tell me an ethnic joke, go. I want to hear one. Give me the most-offensive one you got.
HANNITY: What is an Irish seven-course feel?
SHILLUE: What?
HANNITY: A six-pack and a potato.
SHILLUE: I love it.
HANNITY: I can only say that because I'm Irish.
MCDOWELL: I can only make fun of myself, rednecks, white trash, people with no teeth who don't where shoes.
HANNITY: Is that you?
MCDOWELL: Well, today it's not.
HANNITY: You hung out with Imus too long and you allowed him to position you.
MCDOWELL: No, no.
HANNITY: You're southern.
MCDOWELL: Right. I just -- if you are -- I can fun of myself, and that's it.
HANNITY: Is that the rules now? We can only make fun of ourselves?
MCDOWELL: You can barely do that at this point. The people in this country who are preaching tolerance the loudest are instead are breeding intolerance. And they stirred up a band of bile-spewing lunatics. So if you say anything that might offend you --
HANNITY: They're making this world boring. Your show is more about comedy than, say, this show.
SHILLUE: The lucky thing we have is that it's on at 3:00 in the morning. So the only people watching are the people who are not going to be offended by this. You know what it is. It's the Ivy League crowd, Sean. Comedy used to be a blue collar thing.
HANNITY: Do you put women on the leg chair on your show?
SHILLUE: I've never used that term at all.
HANNITY: Has it been used on that show.
SHILLUE: Sean, on "Red Eye" every chair is the leg chair.
HANNITY: That's why I can't go. There's nothing there.
MCDOWELL: It's a leg chair. It's not a butt-crack chair.
HANNITY: Thank you for sharing.
MCDOWELL: I've sat in it. Do you know who I miss the most? God bless her, may she rest in peace, Joan Rivers.
HANNITY: She was funny.
MCDOWELL: To the day that she died she was unapologetic. She was harsh and hilarious. Remember she made the joke about, oh, Melissa put me in the guest room and women in Cleveland who were kidnapped had more room. People were outraged. And you know what she said. It's a joke. I'm not apologizing for it, period, drop it. And I love her to the day --
SHILLUE: We've got to get back to that. I was only kidding -- no one can way I was only kidding anymore. That used to work. You say something. Someone is offended. You say, I was only kidding.
HANNITY: We have people that literally tape three hours of our radio show every day and this show every night hoping to get me fired.
SHILLUE: Oh, yes. "Red Eye," too. I can't even believe it. But I don't care because it increases ratings.
HANNITY: Maybe people in New Mexico in their basement. You need to get a life. All right.
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MCDOWELL: You need to go buy some Richard Pryor album. Go watch some Foster Brooks on YouTube because you can't make fun of people who drink anymore. That is some of the funniest stuff.
HANNITY: Because it will offend people that are alcoholics. All right, thank you both.
MCDOWELL: Thank you.
HANNITY: When we come back, we need your help because it's our "Question of the Day." That's next.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to Hannity. Time for our "Question of the Day." Did the McKinney, Texas, police department throw Officer Casebolt under the bus? We want to hear what you have to say. Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.
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