Dennis Miller on Whether new 'Bourne' Movie is Anti-American

This is a rush transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," August 15, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

BILL O’REILLY, HOST: In the "Miller Time" segment tonight, our intrepid analyst, Dennis Miller, is vacationing out of the country. But before he left, we cornered him with more questions about his favorite candidate, Rudy Giuliani. And about my column, which is posted on, saying that there's anti-Americanism contained in the hit movie, "The Bourne Ultimatum."


O'REILLY: OK, Miller, we have the same clothes on that we had one week ago, so I just want everybody to know that we've taped this, because you're out and about here, that we have showered in the last seven days.


O'REILLY: And we've not been in the clothing that long. OK. Because I'll get e-mails on that, Miller, all day long.

Now, The New York Times does not like your guy, Rudy Giuliani. When I say your guy, Dennis Miller is supporting Mr. Giuliani. He's done some fundraising for him.

The New York Times doesn't like him at all, and that goes back a long way. The thrust of much of The New York Times’ reporting is about Rudy Giuliani's family situation: his marriages and his children. I expect that to increase.


O'REILLY: What do you think about it?

MILLER: Well, listen, I'm all for Giuliani, because I think he's a take-charge guy. And I think if The Times pushes him a little bit further on his wife, the love of his life, I'm going to see exactly what I want to vote for him for. I think he's going to tear into them. You know, I hope he goes right for Punch Sulzberger's carotid artery.

It's the guy's wife. OK? How much do you have to take?

O'REILLY: Now what in general should be the press responsibility, the media responsibility? You're part of this now with your three-hour radio program. As far as analyzing a presidential candidate's domestic situation, i.e. divorces; i.e. children who don't like him, you know, something like that. Is that a legitimate subject for the press to cover?

MILLER: You know, I think that they can cover it all that they want. And it seems to me the press exists in some sort of weird echo chamber now, where they think that they matter as much as they used to. And they don't.

I think people are going to start pointing fingers at kids about periodic dustups with their children. That's everybody in the world. Isn't it? I mean, so what? Giuliani's daughter is going to vote for Barack. My kids dig Jon Stewart more than me. That's just the lay of the land.

O'REILLY: And you still support them? You still feed them?

MILLER: Well, Jon kicks in a little, because that's part of the quid pro quo. But...

O'REILLY: Yes, but — you know, look. The Clintons got hammered, got killed, but they stayed away from Chelsea. You know, listen to this. I want everybody in America to hear what I'm going to say now.

The media stayed away from Chelsea, totally 100 percent. The media stayed away from the Bush twins, pretty much. Pretty much. Unless the gossip columnists got in on it. But with Rudy Giuliani that all seems to have evaporated.

MILLER: Well, listen, Giuliani is the front runner on the right side. I think he's going to be the nominee. I think it's pretty clearly delineated that it's Hillary now.

And I used to think it was Barack. But he's had such a tough court night here. I think he might be off the case. So they've got to start eating into Giuliani now and taking out little bits. It's like the picador coming in before they go into the main bullring next year.

O'REILLY: Now when you talk to him, will you tell him what you just said here? That you know, if they continue to pound on his wife and children, to go after them, will he tell them that?

MILLER: You've seen Rudy Giuliani over the years. You think I've got to tell him anything about protecting his family?

O'REILLY: No, but it's a mixed bag here. You can go after them. I do, not all the time but sometimes. But a lot of political consultants say, “Don't do that. Ignore it. Rise above it.” You know, don't engage at that level.

MILLER: I think he's going to engage at some point. Now listen, they're going to go after the woman. There's going to be gossip. That's just the lay of the land.

But it's not like the Clintons, where immediately she was going to take over health care. And the press, fairly, should have gone after them. You say they went after them. They should have, because that marriage couldn't be any more about convenience if they installed a Slim Jim rack and a Slurpee machine at the base of their bed.

O'REILLY: You don't know that, Miller? You don't know that. Didn't you see that picture of them in the Virgin Islands, and they were hugging on the beach?

MILLER: The operative word is "virgin."

But the thing that I'm saying is I think they'll go after Judy Giuliani, but I don't think they have the right to go after her full bore, because she's not running for anything. And I think Rudy will intimately remind them of that very same.

O'REILLY: All right. It will be interesting to see if that happens.

Now, my column this week is on the "Bourne Ultimatum," which is a huge hit. But it's so — you know, the anti-American theme is so pronounced. The evil CIA guys, you know? And Matt Damon and Julia Stiles, you know? They actually make Julia Stiles cut her own hair. And that was enough for me. I turned against the CIA immediately.

MILLER: It's brutal.

O'REILLY: Now, this movie is going to be seen in Pakistan and Indonesia and all of this. While we laugh at it and we know what it is: heroes and villains, cops and robbers. Over there, I think it has an effect. Am I wrong?


MATT DAMON, ACTOR: Perhaps we can arrange to meet. Where are you now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sitting in my office.

DAMON: If you were in your office right now, we'd be having this conversation face to face.


MILLER: Well, "The Bourne Identity," let me say this. If they were going to do a true depiction of our CIA, they would have to do it, not about them being evil and conniving. They would have to do it about them being inept. Frank Church would have to be Blofeld, because he's the one that began taking it apart.

O'REILLY: But they almost do that. They can't catch Matt Damon. They've 50 guys gone after Matt. He's punching them. He's getting them. He's kicking them. And Julia Stiles is outsmarting them. Julia Stiles is outsmarting them, Miller.

MILLER: I love it when Julia Stiles ripped into you last week, said something about you coming to the door with a gun or something.

O'REILLY: Yes, she was afraid to attend a MoveOn conference, Julia was, because she was afraid I was going to come to the door with a shotgun.

MILLER: You know, Bill, this is another example of my theory about Bill O'Reilly animus abstentious. I guarantee you she's never seen the show. They hate the concept of you. They've never even seen the show.

I'm waiting for "The Bourne Identity 4" by Mel Gibson, "Bourne Again," which is going to be a more evangelical approach to this CIA. That's what's coming next.

O'REILLY: If you want a few chuckles, "The Bourne Ultimatum" will provide them. And always good to see you, Miller.

MILLER: I like the films.

O'REILLY: Change your clothes after a week. All right? My God, you're a sophisticated man.

MILLER: I've spray-painted these on.


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