This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 30, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Jesse Watters, and she sleeps on a combo, Dana Perino -- "The Five."
Now we all know Kathy Griffin will do anything for attention, except apparently be funny. So she has to rely on shock value to get attention from those who still think Marilyn Manson is edgy. She embarrasses herself each New Year's eve on CNN, alongside a giggly Anderson Cooper who certainly knows his crap.
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JEFFREY LORD, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I don't care what he says to the Russians.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Okay.
LORD: I mean, he is the President of the United States. If he wants to say that, Barack Obama wants to say whatever, if George Bush says I look in his eyes, whatever --
COOPER: If he took a dump on his desk, you would defend him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Oh, Mr. Pooper. So comedy is not their thing, maybe why Griffin is now embracing tragedy. What we are going to show you is disturbing, so if there are kids in the room, tell them to go get you a beer. Here is Griffin in a photo shoot holding a mock, decapitated head of President Trump. I'm glad we put mock in there. It is not his real head. There is also the behind the scenes video:
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KATHY GRIFFIN, CNN HOST: Tyler and I are not afraid to do images that make noise. Look, first I am an artist.
(INAUDIBLE)
GRIFFIN: Just like that?
(INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. We are going to do it.
GRIFFIN: Call your dad, apologize. You, me, Darrell and Mexico today. We're not surviving this. Okay?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: So brave, so edgy. Her defense: She considers this art, the kind of reflects Trump's impact. I suppose I can say the same about Griffin by simply pointing to the contents in any bus station public toilet. But if you are mentally stable -- unlike Griffin -- you will see this for what it is. First, it is a beheading of the president. Imagine how CNN would react if it were President Obama or Hillary Clinton, done by someone here. Brian Stelter's lip would be extra sweaty -- if that's indeed possible.
But Griffin's art also mocks those murdered by ISIS. The joke is deliberately linked to those beheadings. The joke is not just on Donald's head, but on theirs as well. So sure, call it art. But we know what it is. It is a copout. You are milking attention through an infantile effort to enrage. So, if we get mad, you win. So we should shrug instead. I would say Kathy should hang her head in shame, but she must know what shame is first.
All right. While we were going to the show, she has since put out an apology. Would you like to see it, anybody?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Please.
GUTFELD: All right. Let's do that.
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GRIFFIN: Hey, everybody. It is me Kathy Griffin, I sincerely apologize. I'm just now seeing the reaction of these images, I am a comic. I cross the line. I move the line. And then I cross it. I went way too far. The images to disturbing. I understand how it offends people. It was not funny. I get it. I have made a lot of mistakes in my career. I will continue. I ask your forgiveness. I'm taking down the image. I'm going to ask the photographer to take down the image. And I beg for your forgiveness. I went too far. I made a mistake. And I was wrong.
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PERINO: (INAUDIBLE)
GUTFELD: You think so?
PERINO: Yes. Because if you, sorry, I just jumped in there.
GUTFELD: That's right.
PERINO: In the monologue, you showed the video behind the scenes where she is talking to the photographer, she is saying, call your dad, tell them that we are not going to survive this.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: The whole thing is manufactured. Free speech does not mean that it's free of consequences.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: And she said, I'm going to stand by my art. But she is not. She is a total wimp. What she actually wanted was to get this picture on there to have the shock value, create a firestorm, and then be able to do the apology so that she can get a ton of attention.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: I do not believe her at all. And I'm actually a pretty nice person.
GUTFELD: You are.
PERINO: And I actually would be lying.
JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: She is very mean behind the scenes, I want everybody to know that.
GUTFELD: Exactly. You cannot look at her in the eye when she is in the green room. She puts little labels on all the food. You know, so, Jesse - -
WATTERS: So, prescheduled apology, is that what that was?
PERINO: Yes, I think it was.
GUTFELD: Do you think -- I mean, she is trying to be shocking, but it just feels so sad that you have to resort to this. And it was preplanned. I mean, this is what, she already knew what she was doing.
WATTERS: No, it seemed desperate. She wanted the attention. She got it. Now, we don't know if she's going to pay the price for it. Do people want to watch New Years on CNN and then think of Kathy Griffin holding a bloody Trump head? CNN is going to have to make that decision.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: No, watch FOX instead.
WATTERS: Watch KG ring in the New Year instead.
PERINO: Now you are committed.
GUTFELD: May be that was Kathy Griffin's way of getting out of this thing by doing that.
WATTERS: Can't stand Anderson Cooper, she finally has an excuse to leave now.
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GUILFOYLE: Yes.
WATTERS: I think it is more of a media story for me. Because I remember some knucklehead hung Obama's effigy, it was covered on CNN wall-to-wall.
GUTFELD: Or the rodeo clown.
WATTERS: Or the rodeo clown.
PERINO: He lost his job, banned for life. Banned for life from the rodeo clown.
WATTERS: Yes. People were fired. There's investigations, Republicans in Congress were asked to condemn it. So, this happens, and not just some run-of-the-mill person, this is a Democrat donor. This is a CNN host on New Year's. This is a big-time Hollywood comic, well, maybe b-list, but still, no one is going to cover "The New York Times," I predict, and it's not wall-to-wall on CNN. So when there is a Republican controversy, the media covers. And the Democrats controversy, they cover it up.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Wow, I don't think so. I mean, look, what Kathy Griffin did is inexcusable. I tend to think that it was all about getting attention and they were looking at different strategies. I am confirming what you guys said. I think from my perspective you are right. I just think that she was looking and discusses with this photographer various ways that they could get attention and gin up this kind of reaction that would get the top of our show. But let's not though get into a thing of selective outrage here. The President, President Trump had Ted Nugent in the White House just the other day. Ted Nugent who has been investigated for threatening Obama when Obama was president. Ted Nugent --
WATTERS: What did he do?
WILLIAMS: I think he said either, I want to be in jail or dead if Obama is re-elected in 2012. And don't forget you got people like --
GUTFELD: We did not support him, did we?
WILLIAMS: No, I don't know who support him but I am just saying, he is in the White House now standing next being embraced by our current president. And don't forget, that you have things like Carl Paladino, and these other people we are talking about the Obamas in the most offensive, racist ways. Or talking about Mrs. Clinton --
WATTERS: The media outrage is different Republican or Democrat.
WILLIAMS: No, no, I am saying, we should be outraged at Kathy Griffin, but let's not engage in selective outrage. Let's understand that --
WATTERS: The media is engaging, I don't care what she does. She is not even that funny.
WILLIAMS: We have polarized politics, and it invites this kind of offensive display, and I think it should stop.
GUTFELD: Worst thing about --
WATTERS: Who polarized that?
GUTFELD: Worst thing about -- President Obama, probably Bill Clinton, remember that a couple of years ago?
WATTERS: Oh, yes.
GUTFELD: That guy would getting me coffee?
WATTERS: Oh, yes. That's right.
GUTFELD: Kimberly, is this one of those things that people will forget over time? Or will it affect her career? Because she is a liberal, therefore she has the immunity bubble --
GUILFOYLE: I don't think people should forget about it at all. I'm certainly never going to forget about it. I think it is disgusting and reprehensible and she should have apologized to the President for doing that. Somebody did that with President Obama, God forbid. Can you imagine the amount of press coverage and the outrage, you know, she's basically just desperate for attention. She always has been. She always will be. She is not funny. This was not funny at all. I feel bad for his family and for his grandkids and people who see it, it is so disrespectful. CNN should not allow her to do the New Year's Eve show at all whatsoever.
GUTFELD: I think --
GUILFOYLE: Because her sorry was not good enough. And it's also was also not sincere. I agree with Dana, that was just -- it was very contrived.
GUTFELD: You know, there was another idea for the photo shoot, Dana, in which she was going to be naked in a bathtub full of chitos, I think we got lucky on this one.
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And by the way, you can say, oh, is that a slam at how she looks? I don't care.
WATTERS: No, I mean, I think that we can say just about anything we want.
PERINO: It also does not help that she think she is actually helping advance the less cause, like that they have better ideas than President Trump and the Republicans, there's actually sets them back. Especially when it comes to the fact that we are dealing with an enemy who uses beheadings to try and advance an ideological agenda. Think about somebody like James Foley, or Daniel Pearl.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: These were victims in this war, the most vicious way to get attention to advance an ideological agenda that is against free speech.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: And then she tries to claim free speech as her reason.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: I'm not sure she was going after that. I mean, I think she may have just like, you know, medusa's head, that is the famous mythological image.
WATTERS: Oh, you agree with Greek Mythology, Juan. That's what you're going with.
WILLIAMS: No, I am saying, that is what I think.
WATTERS: Holding a bloody head, these days usually signifies with ISIS beheading.
WILLIAMS: No, I don't think so.
PERINO: Not the butcher of Britain.
WILLIAMS: What?
PERINO: Not that guy --
WILLIAMS: No, what hit me was, you know, like, you know, the Medusa who is, you know, can curse, her stare will turn you to stone of whatever --
WATTERS: You know what I think --
GUILFOYLE: Okay. You know, Juan, you don't even want to go there because this is so horrible.
WILLIAMS: No, no!
GUILFOYLE: It doesn't have anything to do with Medusa, it is ISIS, it is horrible. Maybe she should go and spend some time with ISIS.
WILLIAMS: But I'll tell you what's really horrible.
GUILFOYLE: Maybe then she will have a better understanding.
WILLIAMS: This is a pop culture story, to my mind. Not even necessarily political. It is so weak. The real outrage, the real reason we should be outrage sitting here is this guy in Portland killing people and uttering hate speech towards Muslim. That is something we should be talking about. This is a pop story that's going to be gone by tomorrow. It's like a poof.
GUTFELD: Well, Donald Trump spoke out against that. And apparently he was a Bernie Sanders supporter, so there's a lot of interesting parts to that story, the dude showed up at the Trump rallies and freak people out, they made him leave, a complete psycho.
WILLIAMS: Right. People are dead.
GUTFELD: Yes, we are aware of that. And it is outrageous. But we're doing this story right now. I'm just wondering about that whole idea is this art just covers everything.
GUILFOYLE: No, it is an excuse.
GUTFELD: Because --
WILLIAMS: I could have used that excuse --
(LAUGHTER)
PERINO: Remember when Sarah Palin had the map that had targets on it?
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: Okay. So, I guess she could have said, well, that is art.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: But she was saying these are the Congressional targets. But the left called it eliminationist.
GUTFELD: Right.
WATTERS: Oh, yes.
PERINO: That was the word, do you remember that?
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
PERINO: What will I call this? Ridiculous.
GUTFELD: Let's just hope Stelter's cover this on the weekend, because it is a CNN person, or may be some of those suits that they are dealing with. We don't hear much about those suits, do you?
Coming up. There are more in lawsuits, let's be really specific here. There is more anonymously short reports about the Russian investigation in the White House, pushing back hard. We will tell you about that directly ahead.
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PERINO: President Trump is back from his first overseas trip, and now dealing with a new chapter in the Russia saga. The White House today trying to contain the fallout over reports that Mr. Trump's son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner discussed the creation of a secret back channel with Russia during the presidential transition.
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SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Mr. Kushner has volunteered to share with Congress what he knows about these meetings, and he will do the same if he has contacted and connected with any other inquiry. That being said, I think that Secretary Kelly and General McMaster have both discussed that in general terms, back channels are appropriate part of diplomacy.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: Jared Kushner has said from the very beginning he is willing to go and share any information that he has with Congress and so with the FBI. He will be fully cooperative with any information that he has.
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PERINO: The President says, he has total confidence in Kushner, Lindsey Graham, Krauthammer and some others are casting doubt on the accuracy of the reports.
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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I don't trust the story as far as I can throw it. It makes no sense that the Russian ambassador would report back to Moscow in a channel that he most likely knows we are monitoring. The whole story line is suspicious.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I don't trust the story. The Russians are leaking it clearly on a channel that we know we are going to pick up. We have had the back channel connections with adversaries for generations. Henry Kissinger had them with the Russians and the Chinese. Hillary had a back channel to establish the opening negotiations with the Iranians and want ended up as the Iranian nuclear deal. This happens all the time.
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PERINO: All right, Greg. So knowing that the Russia has a history of trying to -- basically used propaganda and fake news, is it possible that the Russians actually are making this up and leaking it to sell more chaos?
GUTFELD: We have always had like that Putin is kind of like the global prankster. It does not matter what side he is on, because he creates turmoil on both sides. And that is why he is always winning. But I was thinking about this in a bigger picture that, if you think about the 1980s, 37 years ago, the media was on the wrong side of the cold war. While we were sitting there talking about USSR. And how they were infiltrating in our hemisphere, and they were trying to undermine capitalism, they were obsessed with the post-Vietnam -- like America as the loser.
Do you think possibly 37 years from now or like around 2047, the media will finally go, hey, this radical Islam stuff is pretty dangerous and we will already move on fighting robots? My point is this, the media has always been behind the times when it comes to the true threat. So right now, what I believe that the Trump administration has done, naively, perhaps sloppily, perhaps in certain ignorant ways of the process was trying to go after the greater risk at the time which is the apocalyptic threat of radical Islam, and that made them say, let's back channel and talk about Syria, this and that, and do things there.
So they made some mistakes. But the idea is bigger. And while the media is focusing on Russia, they are focusing on Islam, and this is exactly what happened with the cold war. There are people like Reagan who understood the real threats, but the media was still licking their wounds about Vietnam and how America was at fault.
PERINO: It's interesting you bring up Vietnam, because I was actually at a commentary this weekend about how a lot of the polarization that we are experiencing today in America was actually rooted in that conflict.
GUTFELD: That is true.
PERINO: Kimberly, this news comes amid another personal change in the White House today about the White House Communications Director Michael Dubke announcing that he is leaving his post after three months. Again not unprecedented, that actually happened in the Obama administration after the first three months when her name was Alan, I think? She went to Commerce Department right after that. But perhaps a different circumstance. And they have a new battle ready team coming in for all the defense. How can they make sure that they keep the story on defense and not become the story? That's what I am thinking about today.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. And I think you saw that in a different tone and kind of tone during the press briefing today with Sean Spicer, and not giving, you know, specifics about it in terms of -- really trying to separate that out between handling the Russia story and then daily matters in terms of the press briefing. So yes, you don't want to give them any ammunition to use against you.
PERINO: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: I think the switch and the change now in terms of -- a while coming even though that was a short tenure. So, that is not a surprise to me, because, you know, that was going to happen. And they really need to overhaul that chop. The President is very upset with the communications. But he is frustrated with the press, you know, in general, saying that again today about fake news. And as it relates to this Russian investigation with Charles Krauthammer, where is the evidence of this? And how did all of these leak?
There's dozens of names of people that were involved in the campaign transitions that they have asked for the names of, and they've been now leaking different names, you saw Boris Epstein's name, the leak, because he is Russian, so that adds a little bit to the story. But where is the evidence there. He is cooperating fully. You know? So, this to me is just really left hysteria, I don't see any evidence thus far that want to go ahead and do this and spin the wheels on it, it is just like flogging at the mouth over Russia and making these accusations. So far what I've seen is people saying they're going to cooperate like Jared Kushner through his Attorney Jamie Gorelick, and other people. So let's see where this goes. It might be much ado about nothing.
PERINO: Juan, will the Democrats think that it could be much ado about something?
WILLIAMS: Oh, I think that is pretty poetic.
GUTFELD: Speaking of Medusa.
WILLIAMS: I think you know it, you are a poet. But you know what, I mean, to me, Greg, you are missing a big story, a big, big story. I mean, it seems to me on Friday you get reports about back channel communication, and on Saturday and Sunday you hear Jared Kushner had previously undisclosed contact with the Russians. Then you see Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on House Intel, you know what, we should do something about these guys. We are not sure about what he is telling and doing with the Russians, that is pretty serious given that he is the President's son-in-law.
GUTFELD: What do you think he is doing?
WILLIAMS: I don't know what he is doing. Because we have an ongoing investigation and it would be wrong to jump to any conclusion.
GUTFELD: Maybe they are actually looking at the world and going, it is not 1977 anymore, it is 2017.
WILLIAMS: That is not a reason to break the law.
GUTFELD: What law? Back channels?
WILLIAMS: No, the idea that you would come and do business with the Russians in the phase of sanctions, and then promise as a private citizen, remember, he was not even in office at that time. Oh, we're going to doing something about these and I am having contact with the bankers who have been putting money into the Trump Empire, this raises some serious questions about how he is working.
GUTFELD: Raising serious questions?
WATTERS: Why is it sinister when Hillary has a back channel with the Iranians?
GUILFOYLE: Right.
WATTERS: I mean, that is not sinister? That sounds sinister to me but --
WILLIAMS: No, it is not.
WATTERS: Oh, really?
WILLIAMS: No.
WATTERS: And then they give them all that cash? This guy just want to establish diplomacy, and you say all of a sudden, she should go to jail.
GUILFOYLE: And now they are taking that money investigating later.
WILLIAMS: Clear line. In one case she is actually representing the interests of the United States and trying to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.
WATTERS: Okay. So Kushner is not trying to represent the interests of the United States either? What is she trying to represent?
WILLIAMS: Apparently he was trying to undo sanctions imposed by the U.S.
WATTERS: So you know what was in the conversation? So, maybe you are the leaker? Maybe they're leaking you, Juan.
WILLIAMS: No, I'm not the leaker, that's for sure.
WATTERS: Juan, you're so far ahead of this story. It's ridiculous. It is like that 5000 paper -- you know what it is though? You have to try to believe this guy out, because he lost the election.
WILLIAMS: No, I love this logic. I hear this from Trump. Trump says, oh, it is the Democrats making lame excuses because they lost the election. My God! How weak? How transparent? How true?
WATTERS: You know what's weak? You don't have any policies in Washington, totally out of power, you need to cook up some reactive news --
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, I know. Let's cook up a policy like this. Let's do away with ObamaCare, we will replace it right away, better, immediately.
WATTERS: Juan, you know what? You can exchange Trump when you are in the house?
WILLIAMS: It might happen the way that Trump is going.
PERINO: All right. None of us can be the leakers because none of us know anything actually --
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
PERINO: -- about any of this. We will let Robert Mueller conduct his investigation, we will find out later.
All right. Ahead, the Pentagon is preparing for the growing North Korea threat testing today for the first time, whether it can shoot down an intercontinental ballistic missile, the results, next.
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PERINO: Welcome back, breaking news from the Pentagon today. For the first time ever, the military successfully shot down an intercontinental ballistic missile during a test of a new ground break defense system. The test was conducted from Vandenberg Air Force base in California. It is an important development in our effort to deal with the threats posed by North Korea, which is conducted nine ballistic missile tests this year. Defense Secretary James Mattis says, it would be a catastrophe if the threat ever escalates to war.
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JAMES MATTIS, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Conflict in North Korea, John, would be probably the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetimes. So, the North Korean regime has hundreds of artillery cannons, and rocket launchers within range of one of the most densely populated cities on the earth, which is the capital of South Korea. The bottom-line is, it would be catastrophic war if this turns into combat
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PERINO: All right. So, Greg, they did this test which went very well. What I like I think is the fact that they jumped on it right away to try to do these tests like defensive measures, not like, you know, having conducting meetings upon meetings to figure out if they should make the call to do this. And I think it is because it was public. So, North Korea knows who they are dealing with.
GUTFELD: Yes. So, it was like, you guys can do that, we can do this? You know, there you go. That's it. I like Mattis. You know, he tells it like it is. He says, it's catastrophic -- to whom? You know? Because I think what he is saying is, this could be such an ugly big war that it would probably be very ugly for them. And I think you have population of about under California, 25 million, so you would have to deal with this rather swiftly. I think he is giving the message to everybody around there that this will not be something that just takes a lot of time. It will be very brutal.
GUILFOYLE: Uh-hm.
GUTFELD: I think he is trying to speak adult words, so people take this seriously.
PERINO: Yes. Get the message.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. No, I am glad he plays for our team. Dana, when he was asked, you know, does anything keep you awake at night, he was like no, I keep other people awake at night.
PERINO: I know. We're going to have a chance to talk about that in a second. Because what I like about him is that he does not do drama and he doesn't exaggerate.
GUTFELD: Right. Yes.
PERINO: So, the thing is I think we should all take the threat very, very seriously. And the deterrence factor that we were able to put forward today, basically is this show of showing them that we will be able to knock it down.
GUILFOYLE: Uh-hm.
PERINO: But that only last for so long. Right? Because they are continuing to progress, that means we have to continue to progress, and the idea of peace through strength still works as long as you have more strength which I think the position that they put us in.
GUTFELD: FBI. We needed the FBI.
GUILFOYLE: Strategic Defense Initiative. Ronald Reagan. We need to bring him back. Okay. Jesse?
WATTERS NEWS: Everybody in California should be thanking Ronald Reagan for establishing Star Wars because now, this missile defense system is going to protect potentially California and Hawaii. Juan, we are waiting for your thank you.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
WATTERS: Okay, good. We will take a thank you from all of the Democrats who opposed it. And you know, they don't have the sea interceptors on submarines because they do not have that in production yet. They do not have anything land-based on the pacific, so it is like a 50/50 shot each time they try to intercept this thing. It is the hardest military technology and development today. It is about, you know, it's billions of dollars.
The problem is if they successfully launch something, California or Hawaii, whether we intercept it or not, we are going to have to send over the barrage of missiles to take out every military installation immediately in North Korea. Do they want that? No. China doesn't want that. South Korea doesn't want that. So unless there is a coup or something like that in North Korea, there is really no good outcome whatsoever on the peninsula.
WILLIAMS: I mean, I think that I see this a little bit differently. I think that Trump administration and President Trump may be sending a signal to China, you know, our ability to intercept despite what you think in terms of the Star Wars technology is not great. We intercept about half the time. I think it's 9.
WATTERS: I said that.
WILLIAMS: . of 17 since '99. there is no guarantee it would be better that they don't.
WATTERS: Better than 0 percent, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Yeah. I'm saying it is better that we stop them right away. And I think that the way that the Trump administration is doing this is to put pressure on China. Over the weekend, we saw the Japanese getting into this now for the first time doing business with China saying to the Chinese, you have to stop North Korea.
You have to control the situation because what Greg describes as catastrophic potentially for the North Koreans, I think that General Mattis was talking about catastrophic four hour, not only our military position in South Korea, but for the South Korean people.
GUTFELD: Right.
WILLIAMS: . and for Japan.
GUILFOYLE: Maybe for everybody.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: All involved. I think that was the general. Oh, my gosh, perfect. Stay right there. "Fastest 7" is up next.
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WATTERS: Welcome back. Time for the "Fastest 7" minutes on television. Back by popular demand, three stories, 7 minutes. Let's go. First up, there is a reason why they call Defense Secretary James Mattis mad dog, he is unstoppable. Roll the tape.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What keeps you awake at night?
JAMES MATTIS, U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY: Nothing. I keep other people awake at night.
(END VIDEO CLIP) WATTERS: So good. Can we hear it again?
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
(START VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What keeps you awake at night?
MATTIS: Nothing. I keep other people awake at night.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(LAUGHTER)
WATTERS: That's what you want your defense secretary to say, right? GUTFELD: But you can take it a number of different ways.
WATTERS: Oh, really, Greg?
(LAUGHTER)
PERINO: Greg, here we go.
GUTFELD: Yeah, keep people awake at night.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
PERINO: You are so whining.
GUTFELD: I'm trying to think of another way to set this because I realize it was an awesome quote. It's like right out of a "Dirty Harry" movie.
PERINO: So don't ruin it.
GUTFELD: The second part was oh, yeah, crazy at night at my place.
WATTERS: Yeah, but not sounds it is off the hook.
WILLIAMS: Once I have a boss who said to me, I don't get headaches, Juan, I give headaches. I said, oh! Let me ease (ph) that in the open.
PERINO: That's what his wife said?
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WATTERS: KG, you got to love it, don't you?
GUILFOYLE: I am telling you.
WATTERS: Got to love mad dog.
GUILFOYLE: I love some mad dog. Yes, yes, yes.
WATTERS: Not the liquor, the defense secretary.
GUILFOYLE: No, yes.
GUTFELD: Both go together.
WATTERS: That's right. That's why he goes to sleep so well.
GUILFOYLE: He's great. I mean, how lucky are we to have him? Can we take a moment and say, wow, thank God he serves this country so admirably. A very tough job. I sleep well at night. I am happy that he is on top of stuff.
WILLIAMS: You look marvelous. Let me just say.
GUILFOYLE: Thanks to the aroma therapy.
WILLIAMS: . the most impressive thing that he has ever said to me was when I asked him, you know, what was the biggest threat to the United States today, and he did not say ISIS or North Korea. He said it was the political disunity and spiritual and intellectual alienation here at home. I think being fed by all these Russians and everybody.
WATTERS: Are you sure that was mad dog?
GUTFELD: But that is undermining our ability to fight ISIS. That's what he was getting at. He said that we cannot unite against the greater thing because we are disunified, brought on by eight years of President Obama.
WATTERS: Rumsfeld (ph), Mattis. What do you think, Dana?
WILLIAMS: You're a freaky (ph) guy. PERINO: Rumsfeld (ph) got some great lines but this one is excellent too. What I really like about it is you can prep your boss for interviews like that, but if they deliver a line -- he didn't practice that line. I mean, assuming that he didn't know the question was coming, then he was able to just deliver it like that. That's -- you can take the rest of the day off.
WATTERS: Next up, snowflake alert! On Sunday, Robert De Niro gave a commencement address to perhaps the snowflake capital of the world, Brown University, had a meltdown.
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ROBERT DE NIRO, ACTOR, PRODUCER, AND DIRECTOR: The country has gone crazy. In movie terms, when you started school, the country was an inspiring, uplifting drama. You are graduating into a tragic dumb ass comedy. Work for the change. Work to stop the insanity. Start now so the class of 2018 will graduate into a better world.
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WATTERS: Kimberly, Greg said, what is wrong with him?
GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I used to really love him, but now I just -- I have to take it back. Take the love back.
WATTERS: Really? I'm sure he is very upset.
GUILFOYLE: He was a very good actor, but, you know, that was not a very good performance, was it?
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WATTERS: Very good line, Kimberly. What about you, Juan? Brown University knocking Trump, that is like a layup, right?
WILLIAMS: Yeah, and I think it was sincere. I don't see anything that was phony about it, but is it appropriate? I don't know. Look, you know, it is about the kids when you give a graduation speech. I understand people are upset about President Trump, but I thought, you know, speak to the kids about their future.
WATTERS: I think that he wore the hat better than Hillary did when she gave the commencement.
GUILFOYLE: You thought it was a French beret?
WATTERS: I did.
PERINO: Imagine what his speech would've been like if Hillary had won. Of course, obviously, all of the speeches through the whole season would've been different. But I agree with Juan, in a speech at a graduation what you want to hear is something inspiring for the kids.
These kids are going to be fine. They are living in the greatest country that the world is ever known. Yes, we have some problems, but they are minor compared to other ones that countries are inheriting.
WATTERS: I don't think Brown University students think this is the greatest country of all time. Gutfeld, what do you think of Robert De Niro?
GUTFELD: Do you know what's the most hilarious thing about this? He said that the country has turned into a dumb ass comedy. He is talking about himself. When you think about the classic De Niro movies of the taxi drivers and good fellas, and the later movies that have turned into dumb ass comedies that he does so he can just pay off his bills.
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GUTFELD: No, no. He is projecting -- what you are watching is a projection. He is projecting his own tragic failures. His transition is amazing work. He has transitioned into painful commercial to off bills. He is a reversed butterfly. He used to be this brilliant artist. And now he is just doing lowbrow crap. I think what he was doing there, he was talking about himself. That is the sad part.
WATTERS: De Niro got put on the couch by Greg Gutfeld.
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WATTERS: Finally, trash T.V., nice.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He says he may not have a lot of money, but he has a lot of love. Ryan (ph), what is going on?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here is this little scrawny obnoxious guy (inaudible) women sometimes, and I don't like it too much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Last week, going to red lobster, bro.
(LAUGHTER)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WATTERS: So now Democrats are urging Jerry Springer to get back into politics and run for governor of Ohio. He was once the mayor of Cincinnati. Jerry! Jerry! What do you guys think?
GUILFOYLE: He was your inspiration, wasn't he?
WATTERS: Jerry Springer. "Dancing with the Stars." (ph)
GUILFOYLE: For your career, yes.
WATTERS: Now I am on a "The Five."
GUILFOYLE: What does that say about us?
WATTERS: I don't know.
WILLIAMS: What does it say about America, Kimberly?
GUILFOYLE: I don't know, Juan.
WATTERS: Juan, that's your party. Your party wants him.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know. I think your party has got Donald Trump. So, I don't know. Take your pick. The funny thing about it is, in this country now with celebrity, and that's all -- I think you all know he was mayor of Cincinnati, let's be clear. You have to explain what happens when he was the mayor of Cincinnati.
GUTFELD: He wrote a check.
WILLIAMS: He wrote a check to a lady of the night.
WATTERS: Donald Trump does not do that. Perino?
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PERINO: I think the Democrats are mistaken if they think that finding a celebrity is going to be the key, because what President Trump has, yes, he had celebrity and he had the business background. He also have this amazing ability to connect which I do not think Jerry Springer does.
WATTERS: Springer can't connect, what you think, Gutfeld?
GUTFELD: This is not a good look. This is guy -- he introduced a decade sideshow circus into American pop culture that basically pickled a generation's brains. It was not bad enough sitting at home in the afternoon watching TV, but at least you had soap operas. This is just awful stuff that made you dirty inside. He has contributed nothing. Nothing for culture.
WILLIAMS: No, no, this was Shakespearean. I thought this was Shakespearean. You talk about -- I thought a lot of the drama, the human stories. I was fascinated by it.
WATTERS: I want to see Springer run for governor. I'm going to send him a check so that he has stuff to talk about here.
PERINO: In the daylight.
WATTERS: Up next, yes. Tiger Woods was arrested in Florida. We have brand new details on that stunning news ahead.
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WILLIAMS: Things aren't going so well for Tiger Woods. The legendary golfer already expected to miss most of this season after recently undergoing his fourth back surgery in three years. Now he has got legal problems too. Early yesterday morning, police in Florida cited Woods for driving under the influence after authorities signed him asleep behind the wheel of his Mercedes-Benz.
Woods released an apologetic statement today saying no alcohol was involved and breathalyzer tests back that up, and also saying that he had an unexpected reaction to prescribed medications. Jesse, you are a golfer?
WATTERS: Not a good golfer. Hard to say that you feel sorry for the richest golfer in the world, but I kind of do. He was on pace to be Jack Nicklaus' all-time major wins. He is not now. He has had a ton of back surgeries, knee surgery.
He obviously has problems with pain medication, and he should have a driver. The guy doesn't need to be driving himself. He could hurt himself. He could hurt somebody else. I just kind of feel bad for the guy. I have to be perfectly honest.
WILLIAMS: Kimberly, he's 41 years old.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
WILLIAMS: Forty-one. He says, you know, he was taking all of his medications, did not realize the impact it would have. On the other hand, he said, he was driving from L.A. to Florida. That is a long drive!
GUILFOYLE: Okay, well, obviously he has a problem with chronic pain and he has had these surgeries, that is well documented. What I thought wasn't there was right away when the press came out and made it sound like he was drunk driving, so technically still he is under the influence, but nothing on the breathalyzer.
So you do believe him in terms of, okay, he was not aware that there was some kind of bad interaction with the medication. That can happen. You have to be super careful in terms of if you are taking medication, back surgery, that type of thing to how you react to it. His picture went out, ESPN kind of photo shopped it.
WILLIAMS: Let's think on that for a second because there was a charge, ESPN made him look better than mug shot.
GUILFOYLE: Well, it was better. If you do a side by side.
WILLIAMS: So, do you think they were trying to save their hero's image?
GUILFOYLE: You know, I don't know. Maybe the shot looked better, I am not sure. It depends on the person who did any editing on it, but just a sad I think kind of appearance for Tiger Woods. He is one of the world's greatest athletes. I hope that a doctor or somebody can help him in terms of the medication that he is on.
If anybody suffers from chronic pain or had surgeries, I have seen people debilitated, it's very difficult to try to manage that in your life. I don't know. I think every day of his life, he tries to live up to being that great golfer, the loss of his father, his marriage, a lot of stuff has happened.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, in fact, Dana, I think a lot of the reason that people are having such a strong reaction, Woods is famous, but there is a sense of tragedy here. I mean, I don't think people.
WATTERS: Great tragedy, Juan.
WILLIAMS: In fact, yes. I don't think people think, oh, this is a golf story. This is a story about someone who rose to such great heights, whose father pushed him and pushed him and pushed him. And now it looks like he may be falling apart.
PERINO: It would be very difficult to live up to those expectations.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
PERINO: And also, I think that this is a story that has been playing out in towns all across America, because we have been talking about this prescription drug addition. It can happen to everybody. From somebody like Tiger Woods to somebody that you have never heard of.
What I would suggest to the young fans that admire him so much, the best thing you can do I think is to pray for him so that he can get the help that he needs. Just remember that everybody hurts. Everybody suffers. And through the grace of God, go you or me.
WILLIAMS: You know, Greg, he apologized to his family. And again, even if he apologized to his family, everybody's mind immediately goes back to the sex scandal, I believe, in 2009? Is it unfair? Are we unfair to this guy? And Kimberly said, you know, this happens.
GUTFELD: It comes with the territory. One and a half drunk driving arrests annually. You do not hear about them because they are not Tiger Woods.
PERINO: Yeah.
GUTFELD: So unfortunately, or fortunately, however you want to look at it, these sorts of things are the big equalizer. He is no different than any guy you see on the cops rerun, running without a shirt on as they try to pin him in a bush. There is only one club.
GUILFOYLE: That did not happen.
GUTFELD: Yeah. There is only one club to get him out of this whole and it is probably narcotics anonymous or something like that. I don't think the prescription drug abused question or argument flies. You know, I don't know. I mean, it is like, you are out in the middle of the night driving. Maybe you are just taking it recreationally, I don't know.
GUILFOYLE: He had surgeries. We do not want to disparage anyone.
GUTFELD: I'm okay with it. I obviously think that there is a lot of -- I mean, yeah, it's good to use it for pain, but a lot of people don't use it for pain.
PERINO: Right.
WILLIAMS: Well, it is a sad story for a man who was heroic hero too many people. "One More Thing" up next.
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GUTFELD: "One More Thing." Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Greg, for that. And Susan (ph) for that commentary. All right. Ariana Grande, such a great story to come out of terrible tragedy. She announced that she is going to return to Manchester this Sunday to host a benefit concert to raise money for the victims of last week's terror attack that left 22 people dead. She is going to be joined by some other huge names.
Justin Bieber, Coldplay, Pharrell, Miley Cyrus, and Katy Perry are also going to perform at the one love Manchester event. So anybody who was at last week's concert can attend for free which I think is very nice. It's going to be an emergency fund set up by the city of Manchester and the British Red Cross. Smart.
GUTFELD: All right. Time for something new. "Greg's Cowardly News." All right. Brad Trent. I don't know if you guys know him. He is a photographer. Bradtrent.com is his website. He tweeted a photo of my guests for my Saturday show. I don't know if you could look closely there of my guests. He wrote, wow, unless Greg Gutfeld changed the name of his show to "Freak Show," he should fire his booker.
Now, to take a look at who is there, you got Terrace (ph), the black guy, talking about him. The white woman, Kat (ph), next to him, or Matt Iceman (ph), the person next to him, or is it Joey Jones, his legs were blown off in Afghanistan while he was serving our country. So I have been asking Brad, what freak do you mean? The term "freak show" goes back a long way.
People with oddities and abnormalities, physical deformities. I am just trying to figure out what he was implying. I have asked him. He has blocked his tweets, because he is a coward. He has not apologized. He did this on Memorial Day. I just think he is a scumbag. Brad Trent has a website, bradtrent. I think you can contact him, if you like. Jesse.
WATTERS: He needs one of those apologies like Kathy Griffin, I think. So, the reliever for the Giants, drilled Washington nationals Bryce Harper. Watch what happened.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he hits Harper. And Harper is going to go out. And now we have a scene.
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WATTERS: All right. First of all, through some punches, and his helmet. I don't know where that went, but Harper is suspended four games. Strickland six.
GUILFOYLE: He was going after him, by the way.
WILLIAMS: And you know what the story is there, Buster Posey, the catcher, nothing.
GUILFOYLE: No, it's true.
GUTFELD: While you lost your "One More Thing," because now, Dana.
PERINO: I just want to do a quick book promotion. I put together like a (inaudible) with a new scale I'm trying with tennis and there is a new novel out by Doug Brunt. This is his third novel. It is called "Trophy Son." I read it in a day. I love it. Even if you do not like tennis, it is a page-turner. And I have a picture of me playing tennis this weekend. The crew, Michael, Carol and Garrett who all helped me this weekend, and Josh was there as well.
GUILFOYLE: You're a good tennis player, Perino.
PERINO: Thank you.
GUTFELD: Juan, quickly.
WILLIAMS: All right. More people are turning 100 USA, the country with the most centenarians, and one of our colleagues, Wendy Dawson, her grandmother, Irene Caldwell, 100 today. She is in Arizona but born in Iowa, 1917. Inspiration because she was working her whole life. The family celebrated with Mexican food because that is what she wanted. So from all of us at "The Five," to you, Irene, happy birthday.
GUTFELD: "Hannity" is up next, everybody.
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