This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 21, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and what's her name?
It's 5 o'clock and I have a cold.
GUTFELD: So, Juan Williams got a private meeting with the President Obama today. Woopty do! And Mr. Special is going to tell us about it in a moment.
But, first, according to Bloomberg writer Christopher Flavell, the ObamaCare mess isn't about ObamaCare at all, it's about the United States being a bunch of jerks. He says the recession has made Americans less caring of others. We see the needy becoming seedy. And that makes us hate ObamaCare more.
Apparently, this writer has never been to a church but the hack failed to see that it's the expansion of dependency that hurts the needy most, as government expands and opportunity dwindles, it's not self interest that explodes, but hopelessness. Only a moron would think a solution to a welfare state is more welfare.
But Americans' patience for this charade wears thin as priorities trump excess. And yet, we're still the most generous country ever.
Now, thanks to ObamaCare, the ruse that government intrusion equates compassion is dying out, as we embrace a world of endless choices, our government is left enforcing its favorite solution, more government, one choice.
Fact is nothing good ever comes from coercion or you wouldn't need coercion. And that includes charity, especially when those in charge are more charitable to themselves than to others.
I didn't sneeze at all during that.
Hey, Juan, are you there?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I'm right here, Greg. I'm glad you're feeling better.
GUTFELD: Thank you. Actually, I feel terrible. But when I see you my soul brightens up.
Now, you got an email, an invite from the White House asking to see you last night. How long did you wait to respond? Did you play hard to get?
WILLIAMS: You know, me, I didn't even want to go over, you know? I mean, unless, they're going to like serve really good food, because I wanted to find out if he watches "The Five", right?
GUTFELD: Does he watch "The Five"?
WILLIAMS: Well, I didn't want to -- they told me, you know, don't go into that. Let's not stir the pot. You're lucky a FOX guy getting invited in here, you know?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: They told you that?
WILLIAMS: No, no.
GUTFELD: So, when you talk --
WILLIAMS: I tell you this, Eric, they miss Bob. Everybody said where's Bob?
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Yes, where was Bob's invite?
WILLIAMS: Yes, really.
BOLLING: But, Juan, I mean, we talked and said Juan is going to be on tonight and one of the things, all the things he can talk about and things he can't. Is there things you can't talk about and why?
WILLIAMS: Oh, because it was a background meeting so I can't directly talk about what the president, you know, quote, "said", but I can tell you what other people in the meeting said and what, you know, I had talks with other senior officials there, so I can give you a sense of what's going on in a way that obviously wouldn't be possible if you didn't get to talk with the big man.
GUTFELD: Well, when you talk to President Jarrett --
GUTFELD: -- did you find anything new about the health care bill and how it's going to unravel?
WILLIAMS: Well, you know, it's interesting. I was thinking that given all the pressure and all criticism coming, that these guys might be ready to fold, Greg. But, in fact, what you see is these guys are ready fight. I think they have a sense that right now, they have to rally their troops because the poll numbers have been bad for Obama. And I think right now, they're going to try to say to the Democrats and independents, hey, wait a minute, we've got a good product, we think this is going to work, we're not backing off.
TANTAROS: Hey, Juan, it's Andrea.
WILLIAMS: Hi, Andrea.
TANTAROS: Do you have a sense that they knew they screwed this up big time?
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.
TANTAROS: And they -- you did? OK. So, they acknowledged they screwed this up. Did they weigh in on the employer mandate? Because as you know, that new study was released from AEI showing that 50 million to 100 million people are set to lose their health insurance next year. Did they weigh on that, any concerns from them about what they're going to do or how they're going to handle it?
WILLIAMS: No. I mean, their concern right now is with people who are getting those cancellation letters. Their worry is that there are people there who really can't afford the bronze plan, people who don't qualify for Medicaid, because they make a little too much. But at the same time, there are poor people and they may not qualify for the bronze plan.
What I'm hearing is they're saying, you know, like two-thirds of the people who get these cancellation notices, they're going to actually be offered plans that are better and they're going to get subsidies from the government, so they'll be able to afford them. About a third, another third, include some of the people who are going to have to pay a little more, younger, healthy people.
But then that smaller group that has people who are poor but not poor enough to qualify for Medicare is the one that really, really concerns them.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Hey, Juan, this is Bob. I'm sure they did miss.
But the -- and, by the way, the AEI, let's keep this clear, the AEI is a right-wing think tank, and it's about the last place I would go for any definitive numbers.
Leaving that aside, did they say anything about the legislation that the Republicans passed in the House?
WILLIAMS: No. I mean, look, this is very interesting, Bob. Basically the attitude was look the Republicans don't want to work with us. They are totally, totally opposed to anything. And they are delighting in our troubles.
But the fact is they think once the market gets stabilized, once everything is in place, once the insurance companies figure out how they are working with the new marketplace, they think the Republicans are after 2014 election may come around saying, yay, we have some things to fix and now we're willing to work with you.
But they've got to fix the Web site. They've got to make sure they've got a solid marketplace that people are attracted to and have a sustainable pool of people in the marketplace.
BECKEL: They're going to wait for the Republicans to help them? That's going to be a cold day in hell, brother.
WILLIAMS: There you go.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: But anytime the Republicans mention anything, the president immediately says he would veto it. So -- I mean, what more can the Republicans do at this point? The president made his bet and he's having --
BECKEL: Well, the Republicans made their bet. It was called the Ryan plan and everybody run from it like scolded dogs.
BOLLING: Can I take this one step further this analogy? I spent 15 or 17 years on the trading floor. I was there when Enron went down. They thought oil prices were going to go up, and they went down, they blew out.
I was there when Enron (ph) lost $8 billion they thought oil prices were going to go down, they went up. They blew out.
But I was always there because I knew when to cut a loss, Juan. It strikes me that President Obama cannot figure out that this is a loss. It's time to cut and run even if he wants to continue this law, start over. The American million won't kill him for that.
Start over. It would be better for him. There's none of that, though, from what I hear from. They're just forging ahead no matter what.
WILLIAMS: No, I don't think the White House feels that anything is about cut and run at this point. I mean, they feel that look like even if you were to just say stop right now, that if you point to various aspects of the Affordable Care Act, things like, you know, the discount for seniors on prescription drugs, the kids staying on until 26, consumer protections, insurance companies can't kick off people with pre-existing condition.
They say this law has accomplished a lot, but it doesn't get any attention because of the failure of the Web site and they know that's the problem.
So, what they are thinking is if they can grind it out -- to use their language -- grind it out and get over the next six to eight weeks things up to the point where they're sustainable, then they can come out and say, here's what's working, here's how we want to attract more people into this marketplace. And, hey, you know what those Republicans they don't have any alternative except sending you back to the existing status quo health care plan and they say most Americans will say, hey, that's not a great deal.
BECKEL: That's for sure.
BOLLING: I got to tell you something -- are there any money people back there? Are any people who can do the math? Because once the Web site is fixed, it's just the first part of this, the real problem is for the Obama administration are going to -- after the Web site is fixed, when they realize people aren't signing up. The deductibles are too high. The premiums are too high. Someone has got to step up and say, hey, we --
BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE), we want to let Dana ask a question.
PERINO: It's all right. Don't forget to answer, Juan.
WILLIAMS: No, I think -- you know, their attitude is there's a huge pool, 40-plus million people who are uninsured, Eric. In addition to people who have inadequate insurance. Those people are looking for something. They just have to have a Web site that's welcoming. They have to have people that make them aware that they got a good product here.
Once they do, they believe they can market. You know, it's a very interesting point. They say they know how to drive the people into that market. They are confident that they can go out much in the way they went out in the election with one vote.
PERINO: Right. So, this is a campaign. You know, the audacity of hope surely cannot be their strategy at this point. I mean, is that really what they are thinking?
Three weeks ago when they decided to blame the insurers, and that didn't work so well, now, they've realized that their fate is tied in with the insurers. What are they telling them that they would like the insurers to do to get through this?
WILLIAMS: Well, you know, it's interesting, Dana. That's exactly the point of this whole thing, is they had the insurers in, they had some of the insurance commissioners in yesterday, they had insurance executives in.
And what they are saying to them is, hey, you know what, you made a bet there's going to be a pool of people who are healthy and young, as well as those who are older and ill and we got make this work. We're in this together. You made a bet and we're going to help with you this bet.
They're going to have these kind of sustainability corridors and all, the risk corridors.
PERINO: You mean corporate welfare? You mean the bailout for the insurance companies?
WILLIAMS: I don't think they think of it as welfare.
PERINO: No, they call it risk corridor.
WILLIAMS: Risk corridor, and what they're going to try to do is get them to work with the administration to make it possible so that they don't have to raise premium. I mean, they are mad at the insurance companies right now with the cancellation letters, you know? They think they could have called those things, you know, simply renewals or change plans. But once they put out cancellation, it damaged the Obama effort.
PERINO: Would the government then assign a private company, what they should use in their marketing material?
WILLIAMS: Well, it's not marketing material because it was all about the change, the fact is that there's a lots of change roiling in the individual market for insurance anyway, every six months or so when most folks get a new policy.
But, you know, they didn't -- I think the White House was politically blindsided on this. They didn't know what was coming. They should have anticipated. They fail. And now, they are saying to the insurance companies, hey, you guys really didn't help us.
TANTAROS: Juan, it sounds like the White House is pretty full of themselves. I mean, it's bordering on obtuse at this point. It's a PR problem, if we just change the wording, the American people are going to be gullible enough to understand it's just a renewal not a cancellation.
Did they talk also about how they will get these young healthy people to sign up? Millions of ad dollars, Hollywood celebrity, how much more is this going to cost us to increase enrollment? I think there's a big price tag to get these young healthy people, right, a PR campaign?
WILLIAMS: I don't know. You know, I think a lot of that was already in place. They had people going out. Valerie Jarrett said to me, she had gone out to the West Coast and talk to some of us like, they had all these things lined up.
But what the problems with the Web site, you can't do anything. I mean, you can't sell that, right? So, it's -- but they have already made those plans and I think they're going to redouble them.
As I said, they want six to eight weeks to make everything at least to the point where it works. The average person can get on the marketplace and then they are going to go full bore and rebranding and reintroducing.
BECKEL: Hey, Juan, if this Web site had worked properly and women understood they could get subsidy from the government. The fact is, these
5 million people who are without insurance policies supposedly on January 1 are a very small percentage that are not going to be covered. They're going to find out they have government subsidy. They're going to have better plans than they had and they are going to have insurance.
WILLIAMS: Yes. And you know what, Bob? I think that the point from the White House today, this is the beginning of trying to say to people in the press corps, people like me, hey, don't think we're in the grave. We're coming back. We're fighting back.
But their point is people will quickly realize there is a good product and then, you know, that's where the rubber meets the road. That's where the real test is for this.
PERINO: How do they feel about breaking the promise of $2,500 reduction in premiums? I mean, do they think they have any responsibility for the costs going up? The deductibles going up?
WILLIAMS: You know, that's a good point, Dana. I mean, that's a great point, because one of the things that was, you know, hey, they are saying to the insurance companies, we're in this together. You guys need to take the long term view, if you don't sweep up every penny off the ground right now.
PERINO: Yes, don't make a profit.
WILLIAMS: Down the road, this is a five, ten-year plan.
BECKEL: They've been making their profits in God.
GUTFELD: Who, the insurance companies?
BECKEL: Oh my God.
GUTFELD: The profit margins are very slim.
BOLLING: Not only that. The profit margins are regulated.
GUTFELD: Yes, blame the government for that. Blame the government.
GUTFELD: No, you make the accusation, Bob.
BECKEL: Why is their stock price going up?
BOLLING: May I? They are going up because the Fed keeps pumping money into the stock market that's why they are going up. It has nothing to do with ObamaCare.
Juan, one of the things we should be talking about --
BECKEL: Then you should buy it.
BOLLING: -- you and I have been talking about quite a bit, are these deductibles. I'm looking at some of the deductibles for the bronze plan, the lowest level of ObamaCare plans --
BOLLING: Families, $12,700 out of their pocket, up front. In Michigan, in California, in Chicago -- in California $5,000 per person. People --
PERINO: Per family member?
BOLLING: No, per family member, $5,000.
BECKEL: Oh, come on!
BOLLING: Listen, I'm not making this stuff up.
BECKEL: Is that before government subsidies kick in?
BOLLING: Yes, it's before government subsidies kick in.
But here's the problem, while they're addressing the deductible piece of this piece.
WILLIAMS: Well, so what you get from the White House, Eric, is a sense that look, these people who right now are eligible for Medicaid are obviously going get in the market and we're going to get more people covered that way. Then, you're going to get people covered who are going discover that the current plan they have doesn't cover things like preventative care, you know, well care, check up, mammograms for ladies and all that kind of stuff and people are going to also qualify for subsidies who may not realize that they qualify.
They believe that for most people and I think you've probably heard this before, it's going to cost them just about as much as their cell phone plan. In terms of deductibles, again, all that happens once you're in emergency or medical care. It doesn't -- it doesn't touch on the preventative stuff, all the reductions in terms of prescription drugs and the like. That's the White House line.
GUTFELD: All right. We've got to go. I'm just excited because I can now get mammograms and a sex change.
GUTFELD: All right. Next on "The Five": is your neighbor an al Qaeda terrorist? Dozens of jihadists may be living in the United States as refugees, the video and details ahead.
Plus, more knockout games attacks have been reported overnight on both coasts. Teenage thugs assaulting strangers for fun, when "The Five" returns.
BOLLING: Well, welcome back. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Didn't have any enemies or any reason to believe that they would be looking or do anything to me. They shoved something into my thigh. I wasn't sure what it was. Hit some force to it. I wasn't sure if it was a knife or if it was a gun.
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BOLLING: Yesterday, we told you about something called the knock out game where thugs are targeting innocent and unsuspecting bystanders. They pick a target and try to knock them out with a single punch. Overnight, three in Philadelphia, three more along in Philadelphia are reported and more attacks in Chicago and Milwaukee and Lansing, Michigan, an ugly game being played by cowards.
Last night, I played the devils advocate and suggested it may not be only black on white crime, but some people think this stuff is very racially motivated. Bob, do you think race is at the root of what's going on, this crime?
BECKEL: Well, I don't know the answer to this. I assume that everybody that has been caught on camera doing this has been a minority. But my question is, they caught this on crime -- I mean, on camera. How many of these people have been arrested, "A". And "B", are they entertaining the notion of hate crimes which they should if it's black on white crime?
BOLLING: I think in New York state, a lawmaker in Upstate New York is looking to make it a gang crime which carries up to 25-year sentence for it. Maybe something like that would help.
GUTFELD: Yes, I mean, if you look at it, I don't think there are any black victims from what I can tell on that. So, it definitely is racially motivated and the question is, the cowardice of the media and black leaders who will comment on anything but black on black violence or black on white violence.
There are two people that have agreed that this is an issue. Charles Barkley and Thomas Sowell, who you couldn't find two more different people on the planet agree that something like this, the violence that's going on these days is a problem and whatever drives the violence, I don't know what is it, if it's resentment, who knows -- I don't know why you have to change the description of crime to make it more punishable, like I don't like hate crime. Call it crime. Throw away the key.
BECKEL: You know, they really do, if you just hit somebody on the street, you're going to get a lower penalty.
GUTFELD: Which makes no sense to me.
BOLLING: I mean, technically, it's assault rather than a gang crime or a hate crime.
GUTFELD: Actually, if I go and punch a black man, I would get punished less if I punched a white man?
Wait. Do I have that backwards?
BOLLING: I think so.
GUTFELD: So, if I punch a black person, it's a hate crime but if a black person punches a black person, it's not.
GUTFELD: Does that make any sense?
PERINO: Unless because he hates them. That's why a hate crime --
GUTFELD: How do they know I hate -- what if I love somebody and I hit them because I love them? That's worse.
TANTAROS: That's why I think they stay away from it because it's tougher to prove, right? The hate crime. So, just make at any time crime. They should make an example out of these kids and send a message that they're not going to tolerate it.
But you're right. The media ignores it. So, big great journalism has a great piece out noting that, Eric, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, all stay away from the story. Now, again, if this were a group of white kids going and beating up minorities this would be leading the major news networks.
But African-American leaders aren't weighing in. The news media not covering this.
This is a serious issue. A lot of people are very scared. They are emailing be careful in New York. Do something about it. They should be prosecuted with the full force of the law.
BOLLING: And spreading now.
PERINO: Well, that's something that we touched on it a little bit is more media attention of it going to make it happen more often?
So, I think CBS News had a report on it two nights ago. We did something.
We did it a lot. All over the Drudge Report, social media and everything and there were increased incidents overnight and on both coast, on the East and West Coast.
BECKEL: You think that's related?
PERINO: I don't know if more attention --
GUTFELD: In certain areas, they tell -- the police will tell media not to report on teenage suicides because teenage suicides make teenagers think about suicides.
BOLLING: Until the punishment.
BOLLING: I will tell you this morning on the way to school, dropping my son off and I said, have you seen this knockout? He didn't hear about it.
I said, what should you do about it? He literally said, if it's a tough punishment people won't do it any more.
TANTAROS: If that was the headline, these kids got caught, they've been prosecuted. They're in prison. I think it would deter them --
GUTFELD: You know what else would deter?
TANTAROS: Actually doing this again.
GUTFELD: You know what else would deter? The possibility that the people you're going to punch have a gun.
BOLLING: Thank you. That silhouette sound bite, that guy fought off these guys with a gun.
BECKEL: That raises the question here, why -- it would be nice to report they picked some of these guys up and punish them severely. Why don't the police and prosecutors get out there and do it? Have we talked to any of these police department and what's going on?
GUTFELD: Yes, we talked to the NYPD and they said it's not a trend in New York.
TANTAROS: Well, if you talk to the Chicago police, they'll tell you off the record as well, they have a hard time going after these troubled civil teens because civil rights raise hell and threaten them with lawsuits. And so, that's why a lot of police in Chicago are scared to do their jobs.
They have flash mobs.
BECKEL: But this is a different story, though.
TANTAROS: But, Bob, they're doing the same type of thing. I mean, these gang mobs are destroying property and businesses in the Windy City and cops are scared. They don't want to be sued.
BOLLING: All right. So, can we do this very quickly? They know the tease in there to go around.
But very quickly, in Kentucky, the FBI found pictures, they have been following al Qaeda members, terrorist members that were released in to society, I think by accident.
Greg, your thought?
GUTFELD: First of all, you got to congratulations to the reporter, James Gordon Meek (ph), for uncovering this thing.
But it goes to the point, what if your neighbor is a terrorist? What goes through your head? What goes through your head is the potential for embarrassment and being called a racist for racially profiling or doing anything, and I think that's the window that allows refugees to come in and do what they can because people are scared of actually reporting anything.
BOLLING: Your thoughts, Dana?
PERINO: I'd say all the more reason to have a strong and robust NSA program that can provide information to local officials. So you can prevent terrorism.
GUTFELD: There you go.
BECKEL: I don't know how it happens. I mean, how do these people get in?
That seems to me that's what you have to go after right away.
BOLLING: They literally said there maybe several hundred.
BECKEL: I know. The question is how do they get in here?
TANTAROS: Well, and they can just come right over the border. That's why when they're trying to race these immigration bills through, why don't they look at the current system that allow them in? And what's worse, Eric, these guys were in public housing on public assistance. It's embarrassing.
PERINO: And they're on ObamaCare.
TANTAROS: They probably could get ObamaCare.
BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it right there.
Coming up, Democrats have now recruited pro-sports to push their climate change B.S. Is anybody else tired of all the politics creeping into our football, baseball and hoops?
As for our liberals favorite sports, soccer? Knock yourselves up.
Plus, Ron Burgundy with an ode to the crack-smoking mayor, Rob Ford.
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BOLLING: We'll be right back.
BECKEL: Who is this guy?
TANTAROS: Well, we all know about the separation of church and state, but is it time for the separation of sports and politics? New reports out of D.C. show that Democratic politicians are recruiting pro sports leagues to promote climate change awareness.
So, from gun control to the name Redskins to Bob Costas to President Obama, it seems the line between sports and politics is becoming too blurred.
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BOB COSTAS, SPORTS ANCHOR: "Our current gun culture", Whitlock wrote, "ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenient store confrontations over loud noise coming from a car will leave more teenagers bloodied and dead.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If I were the owner of the team, and I knew that there was a name of my team -- if it had a storied history that was offending a sizable group of people, I'd think about changing it.
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TANTAROS: Now, as a sports fan I would personally like to watch the games without the politic, thank you.
So, Bob, we see politics enter the sports arena from gun control, to the president weighing in saying if he had a son, he wouldn't want him to play football. Now, climate change. I mean, I know you believe in climate change.
But don't you think it should be kept out of sports?
BECKEL: No. I mean, I think that -- I think it's dangerous as -- I mean,