Bigot If You Oppose Gay Marriage?

This is a rush transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," December 5, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

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BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Culture War" segment tonight: race and O.J. Simpson, and charges that you are a bigot if you oppose gay marriage.

On the Internet, almost two million people have watched a video that says you're definitely a bigot if you voted against gay marriage in California.

Click here to watch the spoof and O'Reilly's interview.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): It's a brand new bright Obama day. What a time to be black, a girl or gay. No, nothing could go wrong, so join us in this song. Happy days for the gays. Nothing can go wrong.

JOHN C. RILEY, ACTOR (singing): Look, nobody is watching. It's time to spread some hate and put it in the Constitution.

ALLISON JANNEY, ACTRESS (singing): Now, how?

RILEY: Proposition 8.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): Proposition 8.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): Love is not a sin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): Well, the Bible says it's so.

JACK BLACK, ACTOR: Well, the Bible says a lot of things, you know?


BLACK: Hey, how's it going?

RILEY: Jesus, doesn't the Bible say these people are an abomination?


BLACK: Yes, but you know, it says the exact same thing about this shrimp cocktail.

RILEY: Hmmm, shrimp cocktail.

BLACK: Leviticus says shellfish is an abomination.


O'REILLY: All right. With us now is syndicated radio talk show star Mike Gallagher, and from Philadelphia, FOX News analyst Dr. Marc Lamont Hill.

You know, I'm a satirist guy by nature, Doctor. I appreciate a good satire. But once you get into lines like, "Time to spread the hate," you know, rhyming with Proposition 8, you're sending a message that if you don't think the way we think out in Hollywood, you're a bigot.

DR. MARC LAMONT HILL, FOX NEWS ANALYST: No, that's not true. This is a brilliant satire. It was funny, it was nuanced, complex. I don't think that everybody who opposes gay marriage is a bigot. However, the bottom line here is that so much of the impulse to end gay marriage, to challenge gay marriage was linked to the hatred of gay and lesbian people in America. That's why many people voted against the bill.

O'REILLY: All right. What do you say, Mike?

MIKE GALLAGHER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Marc, you really call that brilliant and funny and nuanced? If so, I think there's a future for you as a New York Times theater critic. That thing stunk to high heaven.

But more to the point, I mean, the gay and lesbian movement, Bill, that has turned this thing into such a hateful mean-spirited campaign against all the people who believe that marriage should be one man and one woman. They've done more to shoot themselves in the foot than they ever have before. I think they harmed their cause more than ever in the history of the so-called gay rights movement. There are gays and lesbians who are mortified at the acts of sending white powder to Mormon temples.

Marc, come on, you want to talk about hatefulness? How about the reaction of some of these activists who are ripping crosses from the hands of little old ladies and stomping on them? You can't justify that kind of behavior, Marc.

HILL: You know, and I haven't, Mike. I've come on here even and said that the behavior against the elderly women and some of the violent stuff is off limits. It's bad; it's unacceptable.

However, the very fact that we have to vote on basic human rights like marriage suggests that we live in a world where gay and lesbian people still are not being treated equally. If we had to vote on civil rights for black people in the 1960s, they wouldn't have won either. You need a different mechanism.

GALLAGHER: Every state says no to gay marriage. I mean, when is the left going to understand that voters are not — the citizens aren't ready for gay marriage; probably never will be. Civil unions, have the conversation. Give people basic legal protections. But no — I mean, every state has done it.

O'REILLY: Let me play the devil's advocate here. I believe that Dr. Hill is correct when he says that there is some bigotry against gays. And there's no doubt that in every public school, in most private schools in the nation, if you're an effeminate boy, you're going to get heckled and bullied and all of that. Now, that is the truth. So I am sympathetic to the sense that we have in this country a bigotry toward gays, blacks, Hispanics, pretty much everybody.

GALLAGHER: Christians.

O'REILLY: Christians, as we just saw, OK, by the atheists. OK. So we do. That's the reality. But what I object to in this debate, Dr. Hill, is the Hollywood pinheads, OK, the arrogant, you know, we know better.

You know, Jack Black, I'd like to have him on the program. I'm going to invite him right now. Come on in here, Jack. I guarantee you, Jack Black, he could dress up like Jesus. He can dress up like Little Bo Peep. He won't come in here. You know why? Because he's not intellectually strong enough to do so, and I don't like that kind of supercilious stuff. And I don't think he knows what the word "supercilious" means, Doctor.

HILL: Well, I don't know if he knows what "supercilious" means, but I do think that he and many of his peers on that stage have a complex understanding of the fact that many gay and lesbian people are being hurt, are being abused by this law and that this is part of a bigger structural problem that feeds itself on homophobia.

GALLAGHER: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. But you're both making this, I think, with all due respect to Bill and to you, Marc, you guys are making this a gay issue. It's not a gay issue; it's a marriage issue. It's a definition. How do you define marriage? Do you define it as one man and one woman, or don't you?

O'REILLY: But it's a bigotry issue in the sense of this cartoon that they put out on the Internet. See, look, this is what I object to. You guys are both smart guy, and you have interesting discussions, and I respect both of your opinions. I don't respect a Jack Black-driven or whoever was behind this thing saying if you disagree with gay marriage, if you voted against it in California, you're a bigot. I don't respect that, Doctor. I mean, that is McCarthyism. That's what that is.

HILL: No. No, it's not.

O'REILLY: Yes, it is.

HILL: First of all, that's not what they said. They didn't say that every single person that voted against it was a bigot.

O'REILLY: It's time to spread the hate. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

HILL: But if you look at — if you look at the tactics that were used to dissuade voters from supporting gay marriage, much of it was filled with hate.

O'REILLY: Now you're tainting everybody with the brush of a few.

GALLAGHER: How about the tactic of having Jack Black parade around like Jesus Christ at Christmastime and mocking Christianity?

O'REILLY: I don't know if he was doing that.

HILL: He's not mocking. He's not mocking Christianity.

GALLAGHER: Jack Black as Jesus?

O'REILLY: I want you both, both you, Gallagher, and you, Hill, to call Jack Black. I know you both have him on the Rolodex.

GALLAGHER: He's got his number. I don't have his number.

O'REILLY: And tell him to come on in here, and we'll get him.

HILL: I got you Obama. I can get you Jack Black.

GALLAGHER: Oh boy, Heaven help us.

O'REILLY: All right, gentlemen. We don't like this accusing people of bigot business.

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