This is a rush transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," September 4, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated
BILL O’REILLY, HOST: Now for the top story tonight, two brutal attacks on the U.S. military, not by terrorists, but by American citizens. The first grenade was thrown by actor Tim Robbins.
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ROBBINS: We've invaded a country, we have created chaos and disorder, we've killed over 400,000 of their citizens, we've privatized their industries, and we plundered their oil resources. Do you really think they're going to be welcoming us there for the next five years?
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O'REILLY: Talking about Iraq, we killed 400,000 of their citizens according to Mr. Robbins.
Now the kicker is Robbins doesn't know the reason the three Navy Seals died in "Lone Survivor" is because they left some Afghan civilians alive, knowing they would tell the Taliban where the Seals were. Robins should be ashamed.
And another very disturbing situation — Dallas billionaire Mark Cuban and Hollywood Director Brian de Palma have teamed to make a movie about U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi women.
With us now to comment, Kirsten Powers here in New York City, Michelle Malkin in Washington. Both are FOX News analysts.
All right, let's begin with Tim Robbins. We know what he says is crazy — 400,000 and who is killing them, Michelle? I mean, obviously, it would have to be the U.S. military killing 400,000.
Now according to the far left, Iraqbodycount.org website, and this is a far-left website, 77,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. Not 400,000, 77,000. And of course, most of them have been killed by jihadists and terrorists.
So we know what Robbins is saying isn't true. We know it's anti-military. It's awful, off the chart awful. But we can't really do anything about Robbins because of freedom of speech, correct?
MICHELLE MALKIN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Sure we can do something about him. And that is to counter him and to show the truth about what's really going on in Iraq, and to make sure that people who digest news and who listen to people like Tim Robbins quoted as some sort of military experts understand that they can't just take it at face value.
The bloody death toll type coverage that has been coming out of most of the mainstream media all of these years.
Don't just listen to Katie Couric and Tim Robbins. Get your news from military bloggers, get your news from people who are there on the ground and have been for years and years.
O'REILLY: OK, but look, I don't think many people agree with Tim Robbins or take him seriously in any way, shape, or form.
MALKIN: I think far too many people do.
O'REILLY: No, I don't. I would likely put it at 15 percent. And they're just left-wing loons. However, he does have a right to say what he says, even if he's misleading the public, even if he's saying things that aren't true. Under our Constitution, the man has a right to say it.
Now I agree with you. You should seek F source information. Even the 77,000 figure is far beyond what the United Nations puts out. But there's really nothing we can do about Robbins, other than to try to educate ourselves. But then when we find out the truth, what do we do about him?
MALKIN: You show him for the liar and for the deceitful and uninformed person that he is. And people have to understand what's going on here. The left has used this bloody death toll tactic to try to undermine morale. Not just national morale, but morale of the troops as well.
You know, we don't hear about, and you do not hear about from Tim Robbins and from Bill Maher and all of these Hollywood people all of the good deeds and good acts of heroism that go on...
O'REILLY: Yes, 90 percent of it.
MALKIN: ...with our troops every day.
O'REILLY: Absolutely. And these people...
MALKIN: Do you think those people — those people have not read Marcus Luttrell's book. Those people don't know who...
O'REILLY: Well, they'd never do that.
MALKIN: ...(INAUDIBLE) is. They don't know who Danny Dietz is. They don't know about the people who have given their lives for this cause, who believe in the mission, and who refuse to have us just surrender...
O'REILLY: OK.
MALKIN: ...and withdraw precipitously.
O'REILLY: Now...
MALKIN: Ask them who they are. They don't know. Yes, you should question their patriotism.
O'REILLY: OK. Now Kirsten, this is abominable, is it not?
KIRSTEN POWERS: Well, yes, I mean, if it's inaccurate.
O'REILLY: OK, but it's — but beyond that...
POWERS: It's not...
O'REILLY: ...beyond the inaccuracy of it...
POWERS: Yes, I guess...
O'REILLY: I mean, he's accusing the U.S. military, 90 percent of whom are sacrificing tremendously...
POWERS: Right, yes.
O'REILLY: ...for the freedom of the Iraqi people, of killing 400,000 people. I mean, isn't that beyond inaccurate?
POWERS: Yes, it is. But I also don't understand why we care so much about what Tim Robbins says.
O'REILLY: Because...
POWERS: I mean, it's offensive but it's not...
O'REILLY: He's unchallenged.
POWERS: He doesn't represent — he has no constituency whatsoever.
O'REILLY: No, but he's unchallenged. He's unchallenged. He wasn't challenged on HBO.
POWERS: You're challenging him.
O'REILLY: And he hasn't been...
POWERS: Right.
O'REILLY: No, I shouldn't say that. He was challenged a little bit on HBO. But he's not challenged in the mainstream media. He's allowed to run rampant on what he says. That's why. It's not what he...
POWERS: He's a movie star.
O'REILLY: No, he's not even that.
POWERS: It's not — he has like — what he thinks about it, I don't really think...
O'REILLY: All right.
POWERS: and I think you are challenging him. And that's right. And he's inaccurate, but I just don't know why it matters...
O'REILLY: How about this movie "Redacted" that concentrates on the rape of Iraqis?
POWERS: Yes, I think that that's a different situation. I think that the fact that the director has gone out and talked about essentially portraying this as if this is what's going on everyday in Iraq. When in fact, this is one atrocity. And the people were prosecuted.
O'REILLY: And they're in jail for life.
POWERS: Yes. And it's not representative of what the troops are doing.
O'REILLY: But they spend two hours on a movie...
POWERS: Yes, and I think — I have a major problem with it.
O'REILLY: Yes.
POWERS: And of course, they're free to do it, you know, we live in a free country. But why they would choose to do it...
O'REILLY: And that's a good question.
POWERS: ...in the way they promoted it is beyond me.
O'REILLY: Now Michelle, Mark Cuban and the money beyond this gives this segment. Now I got to — Cuban won't come on the show, but at least he gives us a statement.
He said, "It doesn't represent the norm and the movie doesn't say it represents the norm. The movie is fully pro-troops. The hero of the movie is a soldier who stands up for what is right in the face of adversity. Maybe Bill O'Reilly can attempt to be fair and balanced and actually see the movie before he thinks he knows what he's talking about.”
OK, I'd like to see the movie. I haven't seen the movie. Taking it out of reports, but do you think Cuban has a point here?
MALKIN: It is a fair point to say that people should go see the movie. I would like to go see it. But although I haven't seen the movie, we haven't seen the movie, we have seen the coverage of this. And they are using it as a symbol of the soldier is a monster. That is a defamatory smear.
O'REILLY: All right. We're going to do more reporting on this redacted film when we get the script. We will get it. We will look at it. And you know, we're going to hold Mark Cuban and Brian de Palma responsible. If it is a pro-troop movie, then we will say that as well. Fair? Fair, ladies? OK.
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