This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," November 19, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENT-ELECT: As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, "We are not enemies, but friends. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection."


SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Now, that was Barack Obama quoting Abraham Lincoln during his victory speech on November 4. Since then, there has been an avalanche of comparisons between the president-elect and some historical giants.

Yesterday, we told you about a Newsweek article comparing Obama to Lincoln, and last week TIME magazine ran a cover story about the similarities between Obama and FDR. It's not just newspapers, but also television networks that are swept up in what Washington Post columnist Howard Kurtz calls a giddy sense of booster-ism — he's right — over the Obama presidency.

Joining us now is the author of a brand-new book. By the way, I'm looking forward to reading, is "American Lion," the editor of Newsweek, Jon Meacham.

Jon, good to see you.


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HANNITY: I really am looking forward to reading this. My producer has been reading it, loves it. Look, it's — I call it Obamamania media. You've got "Barack Obama, America's leader renews America's promise." This is a network. NBC, a DVD, "Yes, We Can: The Barack Obama Story." The New York Times, "Generation O."

Think we're going a little overboard here? He hasn't really done anything except won the election.

MEACHAM: We certainly could be. I think we're celebrating, we as a country, it seems to me, whatever our politics, the moment as much as the man. I really do believe that. That no matter where you stand, given our tangled, tragic, terrible racial politics.

HANNITY: That's fair. I agree with that. It's a good moment for America.

MEACHAM: It's a big moment for America.

HANNITY: For race relations. I agree.

MEACHAM: What we did — what we did last week was not saying that Obama was Lincoln, but he is very — he's almost a Lincoln obsessive and studies him. There's the great, obviously, Doris Goodwin's "Team of Rivals," which Doris has made "Team of Rivals" into a brand that makes Coca-Cola look like a small piker.

HANNITY: By the way, there's a media side to that and there was a recent columnist who suggested that I should be allowed access because he would invite opposition. I should be allowed to be with the Obama administration as, you know...

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: What job do you want?

MEACHAM: Secretary...

HANNITY: No, as — I get to observe. I get to be Hannity, the opposition.

MEACHAM: The voice.

HANNITY: I get access.

MEACHAM: Well, how's that working out for you?

HANNITY: Not very well, Jon.

MEACHAM: Is your BlackBerry lighting up?

HANNITY: All right. Can you admit with me? Now, look, my — I suspect that he is far more radical than people — you know how I feel about this.


HANNITY: I think that he has not been vetted. I think he's been given a pass, and I think that the media has got caught up in Obamamania. True or false?

MEACHAM: Well, there's two questions there. Has he been fully — is he radical, and has the media been caught up? I don't think he's radical, because I think he's run a centrist campaign.

HANNITY: We're talking about his background.

MEACHAM: OK. Well, there are — to my mind there are two Obamas. There's the Obama of the Senate voting record, which is a very traditional liberal. Then there is a centrist man who ran for the presidency and won the biggest majority since George Herbert Walker Bush. Which one shows up for work is going to be the...

COLMES: Well, aren't we getting some signals, Jon, already in terms of which one is likely to be the — how he would govern? I mean, we find out who some of his appointees are. Hillary Clinton has not been a dove on the war necessarily.


COLMES: You have Rahm Emanuel, considered a centrist, not a far left radical liberal. Are we now seeing, as it takes shape, just what his governance would be like, perhaps?

MEACHAM: My view, and I have not drunk the Obama Kool-Aid, despite what Sean might think...

HANNITY: I didn't accuse you.

MEACHAM: I know. I think that we probably are going to see a centrist administration because, and this is a slightly specialized theory, remember, Obama is a writer. He's a storyteller. He's a maker of myths.

COLMES: Like Lincoln.

MEACHAM: Well, like Lincoln, like others, like great politicians, like Andrew Jackson. I think he wants the story to end well. And I believe, and I've been criticized for it recently — I believe we are fundamentally a center right nation.

COLMES: Oh, come on. This election would have disproved that.

HANNITY: By the way, I think you're right.

COLMES: Where people stand on health care, where they stand on education, where they are on a whole range of things.

MEACHAM: You have a Democratic president running who does not want to mandate universal health care. The rest is commentary.

COLMES: Well, he wants — doesn't want to mandate it, but he wants to have health care, the government to compete with private, insure 47 million people. That's not center right.

MEACHAM: I just think that — I think we're going to have a centrist administration.

HANNITY: Can I say one thing? You know, this is a great book. I can't — I've just begun reading it. I'm really...

COLMES: Sorry, Sean, we've got to run.

HANNITY: Congratulations.

COLMES: Thank you for being here.

MEACHAM: Thank you.

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