This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," July 25, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JAMIE COLBY, FOX NEWS HOST: Tonight, a shocking jailhouse call in the case of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. I'm Jamie Colby. Good evening. I'm in for Greta Van Susteren.
Casey Anthony is behind bars tonight after she failed to report her daughter missing for more than a month. Listen to this phone call that was made by Casey to her mother, her brother and her friend, recorded just hours after she was arrested.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Casey?
CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Mom.
CINDY ANTHONY: Hi, sweetie.
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CASEY ANTHONY: Well, I just saw your nice little cameo on TV.
CINDY ANTHONY: Which one?
CASEY ANTHONY: What do you mean, which one?
CINDY ANTHONY: Which one? I did four different ones, and I don't know -- I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far.
CASEY ANTHONY: You don't know what my involvement is in stuff?
CINDY ANTHONY: Casey...
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom?
CINDY ANTHONY: What?
CASEY ANTHONY: No.
CINDY ANTHONY: I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart. You're not telling me where she's at.
CASEY ANTHONY: Because I don't (DELETED) know where she's at. Are you kidding me?
CINDY ANTHONY: Casey, don't waste your call to scream and holler at me.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... Waste my call sitting in, oh, the jail.
(CROSSTALK)
CINDY ANTHONY: Whose fault is you sitting in the jail? You're blaming me that you're sitting in the jail?
CASEY ANTHONY: Not my fault.
CINDY ANTHONY: Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean, it's not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you'd have told them the truth and not lied about everything, they wouldn't...
CASEY ANTHONY: Do me a favor. Just tell me what Tony's number is. I don't want to talk to you right now. Forget it. I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything else. Like, don't even (DELETED) waste your time coming up here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to find out, something, whatever's going on, it's going to be found out. So why not do it now, save yourself...
CASEY ANTHONY: There's nothing to find out. There's absolutely nothing to find out (INAUDIBLE) what I told the detectives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you know, everything you've been telling them is a lie.
CASEY ANTHONY: I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think any of this would be happening? No. And I appreciate everything that you're trying to do, but I'd like to call Tony. He's not at my house, is he?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No. It's just me and your parents and Lee.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK. Well, can you do me a favor and get my brother back or get the number from him, please?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee?
CASEY ANTHONY: No. Nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So why do you want to talk to Tony? You probably don't want to tell me, do you.
CASEY ANTHONY: Huh?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You probably don't want to tell me, do you.
CASEY ANTHONY: What are you -- I didn't hear what you said.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I said, Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee?
CASEY ANTHONY: No. Tony had nothing to do with Caylee.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh. So why do you want to talk to him?
You probably don't want to tell me.
CASEY ANTHONY: Because he's my boyfriend and I want to actually try to sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier because I got arrested on a (DELETED) whim today because they're blaming me for stuff that I never would do, that I didn't do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee.
CASEY ANTHONY: Sweetheart...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die! You understand? I'll die if anything happens to that baby!
CASEY ANTHONY: Whoa. Oh, my God. Calling you guys -- a waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn't be going on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So how come everybody's saying you're lying?
CASEY ANTHONY: Because nobody's (DELETED) listening to anything that I'm saying. The media completely misconstrued everything that I said. The (DELETED) detectives told them (DELETED) (DELETED). They got all of their information from me, yet at the same time, they're twisting stuff. They've already said they're going to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well...
CASEY ANTHONY: They arrested me because they said that...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, because they said that the person that you dropped Caylee with doesn't even exist.
CASEY ANTHONY: Because -- oh, look, they can't find her in the Florida database. She's not just from Florida. If they would actually listen to anything that I would have said to them, they would have had their lead. They maybe could have tracked her down. They haven't listened to a (DELETED) that I've said.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know that whoever has Caylee, nobody's going to get away with it. Nobody.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know nobody's going to get away with it. But at the same time, the only way they're going to find Caylee is if they actually listen to what I'm saying. And I'm trying to help them and they're not letting me help them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So how can I help them find her? The best thing you can do, baby, is listen to me.
CASEY ANTHONY: They need to look up her information in the New York database and a North Carolina database, other places that she's lived outside of Florida. That's what I told them even again today. I told them that four times today. I sat up at the police station, out at the county police station for...
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Who has Caylee, or she's transferred Caylee to somebody else? Because...
CASEY ANTHONY: Honey, I haven't talked to her! I don't know. I haven't talked to her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How come everybody's saying that you're not upset, that you're not crying, that you showed no caring of where Caylee is at all?
CASEY ANTHONY: Because I'm not sitting here (DELETED) crying every two seconds because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls, to do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to. I can't.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Casey, don't yell at me. I'm on your side. I'm on your side.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know you're not...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trust me.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know you're on my side. I'm not trying to...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody's saying anything bad about you. Your family is with you 100 percent.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, they're not.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes...
CASEY ANTHONY: That's (DELETED) because I just watched the (DELETED) news and heard everything that my mom said. Nobody in my own family is on my side.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, they are. Nobody has said...
CASEY ANTHONY: They just want Caylee back. That's all they're worried about right now is getting Caylee back. And you know what? That's all I care about right now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can't tell me anybody that can find Caylee, nobody?
CASEY ANTHONY: No. Because every number that I've tried, every number that I've called is disconnected. Nothing. I can't get ahold of anybody.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But that -- that girl was the last person to have her?
CASEY ANTHONY: She was the last person to have her. That was the last time I saw Caylee.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you're telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Because they'll find...
CASEY ANTHONY: I said I have no clue where my daughter is? Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
COLBY: Stunning jailhouse calls. Joining me now live in Orlando is Rozzie Franco, reporter for WFLA radio and the Florida News Network. Rozzie, thanks for joining us.
ROZZIE FRANCO, WFLA: Thank you for having me, Jamie. This call is truly shocking. This call came in just hours after she was arrested. You can see how she was highly combative. She was hostile toward her mother and completely callous. When her friend asked her about Caylee, she just completely scoffs (ph) off the question and asked where her boyfriend is. And she just doesn't seem concerned at all. As a matter of fact, when she opened the call, she says, You know, Mom, I saw your cameo on television. It just doesn't -- it really gives insight to the demeanor of Casey Anthony.
COLBY: Yes, Rozzie, let me ask you a little bit about some specifics from the call and what the reaction of people there, as well as authorities, has been. She seemed surprised that her family, all they want right now is Caylee back. What do you hear about that?
FRANCO: Right. It's almost when she asks the question, and she says, All my family wants is Caylee back, she almost sounds contemptuous. And then it's an afterthought when she says, I want Caylee back, as well. She's not been cooperative with Orange County investigators. She's given them information. She's told lie after lie.
Today, the latest that came down was Deputy Carlos Padilla (ph) said that her attorney, Jose Baez, was -- he called and actually asked to speak to Orange County investigators and said that Casey was going to open up. And I just spoke to Casey's mother just minutes ago, and she confirmed that they did have some sort of conversation, but that dialogue has not been released yet. But as of now, she's not been cooperative with investigators.
COLBY: And Rozzie, let me ask you about Caylee's grandmother, who is, I assume, in the house behind you. These calls do not really necessarily make her look -- it could be in a less favorable light because she says, I've given you 30 days, in one of the calls, and I'm not going to give you more time. And there are the 911 calls and then there are also these jailhouse calls. And then all Casey wants is a number for Tony. Who's Tony, and what could he have to do with all of this?
FRANCO: Well, Tony actually has set up a MySpace page and Caylee and missing and finding -- trying to find Caylee. And Tony is actually Casey's boyfriend. And what's ironic about the whole thing is the call -- is she's asking for Tony, which is her boyfriend, and not divulging any kind of information to her friend, to her brother, to her mother on who has Caylee or where Caylee might be.
COLBY: OK, but she seemed shocked when she says to her mother -- and this is what really stood out in my mid -- You don't know what my involvement is, Mom? Does the mother, the grandmother of Caylee, know what the involvement is?
FRANCO: Well, actually, I spoke to Cindy and she says that this situation has brought her and Casey closer than they were before. Now, like you heard in the call, she said, I've given you a month and I'm not giving you one more day. I'm calling authorities, which is -- that was Cindy's frustration. She was trying to find Caylee for an entire month, and Casey was giving her excuse after excuse on where the girl was until she finally called in to authorities.
COLBY: All right. Whatever these parties know, Rozzie, they're not giving it up very easily. Thanks for the latest from the scene.
Coming up, you will hear the newly released 911 call that is related to the disappearance of little Caylee Anthony. How long has Caylee's grandmother, seen pictured here, known that a little girl is missing? There are big questions tonight and new information.
And later, cycling legend Lance Armstrong goes "On the Record." Greta sat down with Lance in Washington. The seven-time Tour de France winner has a mission. And guess what? It's other than cycling. Tonight, that's coming up.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COLBY: How long has Caylee Anthony's grandmother known the little girl was missing? This is a very big question tonight. And there's a third 911 call that's been released related to the disappearance of the 2- year-old girl. Caylee's mother is behind bars for failing to report that her daughter was missing for more than a month.
Well, yesterday, police released two 911 calls that were placed on July 15. Today they've released a third. This is actually the first 911 call that was placed by little Caylee's grandmother.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
CINDY ANTHONY: Hi. I'm -- I drove to the police department here on Pershing (ph) but you guys are closed. I need to bring someone in to the police department. Can you tell me where I can -- the closest one I can come into?
911 OPERATOR: What are you trying to accomplish by bringing them to the station?
CINDY ANTHONY: I have a 22-year-old person that has grand theft sitting in my auto with me.
911 OPERATOR: So the 22-year-old person stole something?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: Is this a relative?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: Where did they steal it from?
CINDY ANTHONY: My car and also money.
911 OPERATOR: OK. Is this your son?
CINDY ANTHONY: Daughter.
911 OPERATOR: OK. So your daughter stole money from your car?
CINDY ANTHONY: No, my car was stolen. We've retrieved it today. We found out where it was and retrieved it. I've got that. And I've got an affidavit for my banking account. I want to bring her in. I want to press charges.
911 OPERATOR: OK. Where did all of this happen?
CINDY ANTHONY: Oh, it's been happening.
911 OPERATOR: No, no, but I need to establish a jurisdiction, is what I'm trying...
CINDY ANTHONY: Oh, I live in -- in Orlando.
911 OPERATOR: Yes, but what address did these thefts occur at?
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, I guess my residence.
911 OPERATOR: That's actually going to be in the jurisdiction of the sheriff's office, ma'am...
CINDY ANTHONY: OK.
911 OPERATOR: ... Not the Orlando Police Department.
CINDY ANTHONY: All righty.
911 OPERATOR: Let me transfer you over to the communications section.
CINDY ANTHONY: ... Because my next thing will be down to child (INAUDIBLE) thing and we'll have a court order to get her. If that's the way you want to play it, we'll do it and you'll never...
CASEY ANTHONY: That's not the way I want to play it.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, then you have to...
CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE)
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
COLBY: Let's bring in the panel now. In San Francisco, criminal defense attorney Michael Cardoza. In Los Angeles, attorney Gloria Allred. And in Washington, D.C., criminal defense attorneys Ted Williams and Bernie Grimm. Good to see all of you tonight.
MICHAEL CARDOZA, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You, too, Jamie.
COLBY: Gloria, what is your impression of this call and the fact that the grandmother says, I've given you 30 days, I'm not giving you another day?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS' RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Jamie, it may be that she was talking with her every day, as she has indicated at another point, and/or sending her text messages. And it may be that the grandmother wanted to see Caylee and kept asking, Where is she? What's happening? When can I see her? Why can't I see her? And maybe there were excuses being given by Casey about why she couldn't yet see Caylee, why she couldn't bring her to her. And she kept putting her off. And finally, apparently, the mom, if you believe her, found her daughter, Casey, and then still couldn't find Caylee. And that's when she decided the police needed to be involved.
COLBY: Ted, I'm still trying to decide, from an investigative standpoint, whether or not this grandmother was initially more concerned about the theft of her car or the fact that her granddaughter hadn't been seen for more than 30 days. What's your impression? And has it changed at all now that you've heard this new call?
TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Jamie, I'm of the impression, and I was last night when we heard the first of the two 911 calls, that the grandmother knows more. And now, when we hear about the fact that she's given Casey the month to come forward with information concerning Caylee, it confirms to me that the grandmother knows more.
Now, listen here. When you listen to these tapes, you hear Casey. She's cool as a cucumber. The fact about it is, I believe that if you go back through a fingerprint (ph) history of Casey, you may find where she's either had in the past psychiatric treatment or she is certainly in need of it now. She is clearly, as I see it, to be a habitual liar as it pertains to where Caylee is.
COLBY: Right. I guess, though, mental illness doesn't necessarily make you a kidnapper or potentially a murderer. We certainly hope that's not the case. But let me ask you, Michael, if the grandmother did know something, maybe not the exact location of Caylee but maybe someone that might be involved in her disappearance, this Zenaida housekeeper, baby- sitter, or somebody else, could she be implicated in the crime, even if she doesn't give specific information?
CARDOZA: Technically, I suppose, she could be implicated in the crime. I mean, she could be an accessory to a crime. Will it happen? No. I prosecuted for 15 years. I don't think there's any DA that would prosecute this grandmother. Listening to that tape, she obviously knows the daughter is not around. She is the mother that's concerned about her daughter and her granddaughter. And she says, Come on, where's my granddaughter? It's been 30 days no. No more. I'm taking you to the police station. Now, in answer to your...
COLBY: And she does. She actually...
CARDOZA: ... Question about...
COLBY: ... Calls the cops on her daughter.
CARDOZA: Sure, she did. And think about how hard that is to do. I mean, that has to be one of the most difficult things in the world to do...
WILLIAMS: No, no, Mike...
CARDOZA: ... Is to call the cops...
WILLIAMS: ... Not for her.
CARDOZA: Come on, Ted. Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: She was more concerned about the automobile.
COLBY: All right, let me let Bernie -- Bernie...
CARDOZA: No.
COLBY: ... Let me let you weigh in...
CARDOZA: Ted, no, that was an excuse to get her to the jail.
COLBY: OK, we're going to come back after the break and talk more. But before we do, Bernie, let me ask you your impression. Casey's in jail. She says she's cooperating. She says, if they'd only listen to what she has to say, they'd know where Caylee is. You buying it?
BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. And this is the best way to listen to her, and a true investigator like Ted Williams would know what I'm talking about. Why in the world did the jail ever leak out that they have this connection, this open line of communication? It's rich. It's genuine. It's detailed. You'd find out probably tomorrow where Caylee is by listening to these phone calls. I'm glad we have them because we can report on them, but now this line of communication is just now shut down. I am shocked...
COLBY: Bernie, great point...
GRIMM: ... And just...
COLBY: We might have learned a lot more if they would have kept it to themselves for a while, but it is so...
WILLIAMS: Absolutely.
COLBY: ... Interesting to hear these calls. And we also have a jailhouse visit that happened today. We've got that to show everyone, as well. Panel, stand by.
In fact, coming up, you will see and you will hear a jailhouse meeting that Casey Anthony had with one of her friends. What did they talk about? The mother of missing Caylee Anthony in her own words.
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