Geert Wilders Faces Jail Time for His Stance on Islam
This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," February 23, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
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With me now is a Dutch lawmaker, Geert Wilders. He is facing jail time now in the Netherlands for his viewpoints on Islam. He's also just been barred from entering Great Britain to attend a screening of his new film.
Good to see you, again, sir. How are you are, sir?
GEERT WILDERS, DUTCH LAWMAKER BARRED FROM U.K.: Good to see you, Glenn. It's a pleasure to be on your show.
BECK: How surprised were you that you couldn't go into the United Kingdom?
WILDERS: Well, I'm very surprised. I really thought that the United Kingdom was a democracy with freedom of speech high on the agenda. I was — one month before, in December of last year — a guest of the House of Lords, preparing the visit and the showing of "Fitna" and nobody banned me at that time. And then, a few days before I went to the United Kingdom, I got a letter delivered by the U.K. ambassador in the Hague saying that I would not be welcomed because of my views on Islam and my short film "Fitna," I would threaten community harmony — whatever it means — and therefore, public security.
And I thought by myself, well, this is very wrong. So, I just take a plane and let them send me back if they have the guts doing it. Unfortunately, they did.
BECK: They did. But you're here in America now. Did you have a hard time getting in?
WILDERS: Well, the good news is, that I had a very easy time to enter the United States, thanks to your immigration officers.
BECK: Oh, yes.
WILDERS: I was feeling welcome.
BECK: We let anybody in. Just coming to the back door!
BECK: I just have to give you this quote and get your thoughts — oh, there are my glasses. "The fact that in Mohammedan Law, every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property either as a child, a wife, or concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
Pretty outrageous stuff.
BECK: You didn't say that, though.
WILDERS: I didn't say that, no.
BECK: No. Winston Churchill said that.
WILDERS: Yes. And Winston Churchill, as a matter of fact, in a book in the '50s also made a comparison, like Oriana Fallaci in Italy but also Winston Churchill, the comparison between Mein Kampf and the Koran. One of the reasons that I'm being prosecuted, I don't remember Winston Churchill who got a Nobel Prize for this book and really would have been prosecuted.
And I have nothing against people. I have nothing against Muslims. But my point is, that the Islam is a totalitarian ideology that should be compared not so much with other religions but with other totalitarian ideologies — like communism or fascism.
And if I would have been allowed to enter the United Kingdom and I would have gone to the House of Lords, I would have reminded them to one of the giants of America who spoke there in 1982, this was President Reagan, and President Reagan in the House of Lords while warning for communism said that if history teaches us anything, it teaches us that self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly.
And, of course, he was talking about communism, but what he meant is that we cannot escape — we cannot escape from totalitarian ideologies that want to destroy us.
Well, the totalitarian ideology that wants our freedom today, unfortunately, is the Islam. And we should stand up and fight it.
BECK: OK. Your country has been radically changed. And it's really through political correctness. I mean, I disagree with you on Islam. I know Muslims that are good people.
WILDERS: Yes. I have nothing against Muslims. It's the ideology.
BECK: Yes, right — as it's used for control purposes.
BECK: But I just want to show America this and I don't even know if this shows — on television here in the United States, we had somebody — can I have a little more than 30 seconds? We had somebody on television or that was running a television station, just a couple of weeks ago, behead somebody in an honor killing.
BECK: And then in England, where you're not allowed to say anything, they have an anti-Christmas message. The queen gives a Christmas message. And I just want to play a little bit of the other side, I guess, for fairness against Christmas.
The other side, this is — do we have the video? This is the video of the other side. We don't have it? We reload it. There it is.
They have Ahmadinejad give the anti-Christmas message in the United Kingdom! That's insanity!
WILDERS: Yes. They had Ahmadinejad in the United Kingdom. They had people shouting "Hamas, Hamas" and all the Jews have to be guests in the center of London. They have Al Qaeda affiliates as guests from Lord Ahmed in the House of Lords a few years ago. They had pop music bands in December last year who are shouting music that gays should be killed. They have the most terrible things.
And one guy, like myself, is standing up and saying, this is wrong. We have to defend freedom of speech and warn against the totalitarian ideology of the Islam and I am being banned. I'm here today, Glenn, this week in the United States and to really learn from you.
What I want to propose is a European kind of "First Amendment." I want all the hate speech laws that are only used against us to be to be abolished in Europe. And let us come with a first — European first kind of amendments and learn from the freedom of speech that you Americans have.
BECK: Well, we are — we take it for granted. I don't think people really understand it here.
BECK: Best of luck to you, sir.
WILDERS: Thank you very much.
BECK: Stay safe. I appreciate it.
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