Suspected gunman Aaron Alexis among 13 dead at Washington Navy Yard

Published Monday, September 16, 2013 / The Five

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 16, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Continuing coverage of the shootings in our nation's capital.

Here is what we know right now: law enforcement officials wrapped up a press conference -- at least 13 people are dead, a dozen or so more wounded. After the shootings at the Washington Navy base, the FBI has confirmed one suspect is dead and he is 34-year-old Aaron Alexis from Fort Worth, Texas. Officials aren't certain if a second gunman is on the loose, but they are looking for someone that may possibly have had involvement.

We have team coverage, Fox coverage, including reaction from the president and more.

But we'll start with Rick Leventhal who is at the press conference which I hear just wrapped up.

Go ahead, Rick, what did we learn?

RICK LEVENTHAL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Eric, just minutes ago, the mayor of the city, the police chief, as well as special agent in charge of the FBI office here in Washington, D.C., giving us some details. You went over some of the headlines.

We have now confirmed the identity of the shooter as Aaron Alexis. They wouldn't give us much information about him, but Jennifer Griffin at the Pentagon confirms he was in fact an enlisted member of the U.S. Navy. Apparently, he no longer is, and we're still trying to confirm, or find out how, in fact, he got on the base.

We do now have a total of 13 dead, including the shooter, and at least a dozen hurt. Some of them wounded. Some of them just hurt in the chaos that unfolded at the Washington Navy Yard earlier today. There are, as you mentioned, there were two other possible suspects. One has been cleared by authorities. The other they're still looking for -- a black male in his 50s in an olive drab uniform standing 5'10". He was armed and seen on surveillance video.

But as one source, federal agency told me, these mass shootings are chaotic situations and often people see things they think are suspect and wind up being ordinary events. In this case, it would be extraordinary, but someone with a weapon who's responding rather than being part of it.

What police did confirm, of course, is that there were multiple engagements with the shooter during this morning's event. Police officers responding to the scene within minutes. Local police officers, some of them just on routine patrol, and other mass shooting teams coming from other agencies, including U.S. Park Police and the FBI were on scene.

And there were multiple engagements with the suspect who traded gunfire. Apparently, it was one of those gun battles that led to him being killed.

Here is more from the FBI on the suspect.

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VALERIE PARLAVE, FBI SPOKESPERSON: We can confirm that the deceased shooter from this morning has been identified as 34-year-old Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, Texas.

We have posted photographs of Mr. Alexis on our Web site, FBI.gov, and we ask anyone with information about him to contact us at 1-800-CALL-FBI.

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LEVENTHAL: D.C.'s mayor says his heart goes out to the victims and their families. This is the worst incident that he can recall happening here, we have seen it other places, he says, but never in the nation's capital.

Eric, the next briefing is scheduled for one hour from now.

BOLLING: Rick, will give you us the latest, the very latest. We have heard that the Senate was on lockdown at one point. We heard neighborhoods were on lockdown. We heard schools were on lockdown. Have kids been allowed to leave and go home yet? The Nationals game is postponed.

What's the latest on that stuff?

LEVENTHAL: Well, I know people are urged to shelter in place. We were told that the House of Representatives was not locked down but the Senate building was. A number of additional schools had been locked down. It is unclear to me at this hour if the kids have been cleared to go home.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Rick, it's Dana.

I wonder if you have background or information about what happened when the FBI took over. How was that decision made that the FBI would take over the investigation?

LEVENTHAL: This happened on a military base. It's federal property. This becomes the FBI's jurisdiction.

And there's still questions whether or not it is a terrorism-related event. If it was a terrorism investigation, the FBI would in fact be the lead agency and we heard here this evening that they haven't ruled it in and haven't ruled it out. They have to find out who this guy may have been talking to, what his influences might have been, what his motivation might have been. They have given us no insight into the motive of the shooter in today's event.

So, the FBI takes control, it is on federal land, a federal investigation, may also be terrorism-related. We just don't know yet.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Hey, Rick, this is Bob Beckel.

Was he shooting from a place into a crowded area? Twelve people being killed is a lot of people for a single gunman, if it was a single gunman. Was he shooting into a cafeteria? Was he shooting a common lounge? Was he shooting where?

LEVENTHAL: Well, from witness reports, not from authorities here we have been told he may have been shooting down from a third or fourth floor balcony towards a lunchroom, towards a cafeteria area. And they also have been shooting other victims in a hallway.

And again, there was a lot of confusion at the scene, a lot of people responding with weapons and multiple engagements with the suspect apparently in different areas within this building.

So, what we understand is that some of the victims were shot in a hallway, some were shot in a lunch area and responding officers according to the police chief here said it was the worse thing they'd ever seen. It was just a horrific aftermath inside this Navy Yard building.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Rick, I have a question. One of the reasons why the theory is there could be multiple or additional shooter was not only the video surveillance but witness accounts and also the forensic evidentiary covered at the scene in terms of the ballistics, and initially those reports suggest more than one person was involved?

LEVENTHAL: Well, you know, that's going to be -- I would think that would take time, the ballistics test to determine every victim, how they were shot and by whom, what kind of weapons were used. And this is again something they're not sharing with us here. They won't go into any investigative details. It is still an open investigation.

But also as you probably know, eyewitness accounts can be very unreliable at the scene of a crime. You may have ten people that see something and every single one of them will tell you a different series of events that unfolded in front of them. And that's why they have to investigate, why they have to piece this together.

With the FBI in charge, their evidence response team on scene, this is going to be an exhaustive point by point, piece by piece investigation. They'll photograph every single inch of that building and still, to our understanding, clearing other buildings on the site to make sure they haven't missed anything.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hey, Rick, it's Gutfeld. I'm curious. I don't want to get into cul-de-sac, a conjecture over this. But I'm curious -- did the shooter have any relationship with the man who owned the stolen badge, do we know that?

LEVENTHAL: I couldn't tell you. You know, I'm hearing a lot of this the first time from authorities here. I don't know how he got on the base. I don't know what identification he might have used. They may have some sense of that but haven't shared it with us publicly yet.

BOLLING: All right. We are going to leave it there, Rick Leventhal on scene, thank you very much.

For more, let's go now to national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin. She's at the scene.

Jennifer, do you have more -- do you have more information on the gentleman who was killed, the suspect, I shouldn't call him a gentleman, the suspect who was killed, Aaron Alexis?

JENNIFER GRIFFIN, FOX NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Eric, yes. I just got off the phone with U.S. Navy officials.

It seems Aaron Alexis was an active duty reservist, that means he was full- time working as an aviation specialist out at Fort Worth, at the naval air station there until 2011. The Navy at this point doesn't know why he left the Navy at that point. He did not deploy overseas. He did not serve in combat. He did not serve in the war zone.

He was working as a simple electrician at the naval air station until 2011. He was in the Navy for about five years.

Now, we also are receiving some reports from Fort Worth, Texas, from people that knew him in Fort Worth, Texas, who said he was a Buddhist and recently just traveled to Thailand and had served as a delivery man at one point at a Thai restaurant in Fort Worth known as the Happy Bowl. In fact, there are interviews with people at the Happy Bowl that say they can't believe this is the Aaron Alexis that they knew. He served as a waiter there at times.

He told them that he got out of the Navy, according to this report in the Fort Worth newspaper, he told them that he got out of the navy because he didn't like getting up early in the morning. From what we know from eyewitness accounts, he made his way into the base behind me into the Navy Yard behind me, a little after 8 a.m. this morning, shots rang out, about three shots, and he was firing from the fourth floor of that building, 197, into the cafeteria area -- Eric.

BECKEL: Jennifer, this is Bob Beckel.

This is -- I mean, I know that area, I used to live near the Navy Yard. It is a very secure, this area where they do weapons, they have weapons development in that building. How in the world do they think somebody could get into that building with an automatic weapon and get through security and get in there and shoot?

GRIFFIN: Well, Bob, I think what we're hearing and we can't confirm these reports, but the FBI has been out at the home of a man whose ID was found on Aaron Alexis when he was shot dead in building 197. That ID appears to have been stolen. That individual does not appear to be a person of interest or a suspect at this point. He has been interviewed down in his home in Stafford, Virginia. Our Chad Pergram has been outside his house. The FBI has now left his house.

So, it seems as though he may have used a stolen ID to get on the base. And, you know, some of the vehicles that come on the base, they only do spot-checks, they don't check every vehicle coming on base. So, it's possible that's how he got the rifle, this AR-15 rifle that we've heard about onto the base and into the building. It must have been disguised in some way to allow him.

But we also know at least one guard was shot, so it is not clear if he shot him on the way into the building before he started wreaking havoc on the cafeteria area, Bob.

PERINO: Hi, Jennifer. It's Dana.

I want to ask about the victims, because there's -- we know, 12 confirmed dead, many others wounded. We haven't seen any photographs or have any names and there's probably a mix of people, civilians or local law enforcement like the Washington, D.C. police officer and then possibly some military.

Do you know when we will start finding out about the people who were the victims in this tragedy?

GRIFFIN: Well, Dana, I think the reason we're not learning more about the victims is they're still trying to locate their families. They have a place near the baseball stadium behind me where the families are being brought and being counseled and they're trying to not release the identities at this time. We do know some of the metropolitan police were injured in the shooting. There may even be one fatality according to the D.C. police chief, Cathy Lanier.

But what we do know is that inside that building 197 here at the Navy Yard there were a number of civilian Navy staff who work on the very, very high tech Navy systems. This part of NAVSEA command is where they design, and they procure, and they basically build all the ships and submarines and other weapon systems used by the Navy.

So, there was a mix of both civilians, contractors, as well as Navy personnel, and then, of course, those first responders who went in.

Cathy Lanier, the D.C. police chief, says they were on the scene in two to three minutes, her D.C. police and they were inside the building, going towards the gunman within seven minutes, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Jennifer, what's the latest you're hearing about there being another shooter. I was discussing earlier with Rick about surveillance and the fact that officials were saying some of the weapons were not accounted for. And I guess that's based on some casings found from the discharged weapons that were around the victims, perhaps there were other weapons that weren't found with the shooter's body, the deceased. So, perhaps, they're wondering if others left with another suspect.

GRIFFIN: Well, I think what we -- what we know is that originally they were looking for suspects. They had physical descriptions the D.C. police chief gave out. They have cleared one of those men. That was the white male suspect who was in khaki garb and a beret. They found him, identified him, and they cleared him.

The second person we know from the most recent press conference is a black -- African-American male between age 40 and 50 who is also in military garb, not necessarily official military garb, but military style garb, and he is still on the loose.

And according Mayor Vincent Gray, at the press conference just moments ago, he said that they saw this man with a long rifle in the video cameras that were at the entrance to the Navy base. So that's why they're looking for this person of that description but there's no evidence at that point in time there was necessarily more than one shooter that caused those 13 deaths at this point.

GUTFELD: Yes, I was just wondering, Jennifer, is it possible that the people that are investigating are actually investigating themselves because they may have been seen out there and find out later it was just another officer?

GRIFFIN: Look, anything is possible. You know how fluid these situations are. We saw it with the Boston marathon bombing how, you know, they turn out to be OK later. I think it is out of abundance of caution they're looking for the other suspect, if you will.

But, again, they're not saying that suspect was necessarily a shooter. At that point in time most of the reports indicate there was a single gunman, single shooter. We have a little more information about Aaron Alexis, we're getting this from a Fort Worth newspaper who interviewed some friends of Aaron Alexis.

We understand that he actually was charged in 2010 with the unlawful release of -- he fired a weapon in his apartment and the weapon, apparently the gunshot went through the ceiling of his apartment and narrowly missed hitting his neighbor downstairs. She's interviewed by a Fort Worth newspaper reporter saying back in 2010, in fact, she filed a report with the police and she lived below Aaron Alexis. He often complained about noise and then lo and behold she was sitting in a chair one evening and a bullet came through her ceiling.

BOLLING: Hey, Jennifer, I found it interesting 13 people are confirmed dead so far, exact same number as Fort Hood. We also heard, maybe you can confirm it, 9:22 this morning, which is about an hour and two minutes after the initial reports of shots fired at the Navy Yard, the Department of Homeland Security came out, made a statement, statement or e-mail, not sure, saying there's no connection to terror.

Did you hear that and do you think they jumped the gun on that?

GRIFFIN: Well, what we did hear, we heard D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray say in press conferences and press availabilities today that in the beginning or as of now, excuse me, as of now, there is no indication of any terrorist links. Now, they aren't ruling it out. They're still investigating it.

But even just, you know, it's very difficult. Under the circumstances it is so sensitive. Of course, there's still the open wound of the Fort Hood shooting where they called it workplace violence, even up until the day of the trial in which it was very clear that Major Nidal Hasan was motivated out of his desire to carry out a jihadist attack.

We have no idea what the motive of this person Aaron Alexis, who had left the Navy in 2011.

BOLLING: All right. Jen, we're going to leave it there. Thank you very much, Jennifer Griffin.

Be sure to stay with FOX News for live continuing coverage of the shooting throughout the evening.

Plenty more ahead on "The Five": Ed Henry is monitoring the situation from the White House, Greta Van Susteren is on the scene and we'll have an update on the wounded.

We'll be right back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys, you OK? OK. I love you, too. Bye.

REPORTER: Is that who you were looking for?

UNIDENTIFEID FEMALE: Yes, that's my husband. He's OK. They just got out of the building safely. They heard gunshots all morning, got out safely. They're being debriefed. He is trying to come meet me now.

REPORTER: It must have been nerve wracking for you all morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it was the worst morning imaginable. I want to find him safely now, and give him a hug, tell him I love him, take him home.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're confronting yet another mass shooting, and today, it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital. As this investigation moves forward, we will do everything in our power to make sure whoever carried out this cowardly act is held responsible. Obviously, we're going to be investigating thoroughly what happened, as we do so many of these shootings sadly that have happened, and do everything we can to try to prevent them.

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PERINO: That was President Obama earlier today reacting to today's shooting.

And Ed Henry is following the situation from the White House and he joins us now.

Ed, can you catch us up on how -- what's all the developments have been like today from the White House's point of view?

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, good to see you, Dana.

The bottom line is the president, we're told by officials, has been briefed throughout the day from his some of his top aides, particularly Homeland Security aides, to make sure and get on top of the situation, one of the most important things they've been trying to do as they do in any situation like this, a mass shooting, is to make sure local law enforcement is working seamlessly with the federal government. So, they're not falling all over each other in the investigation, especially since this is still a very active crime scene.

Local officials have been saying there could be another shooter or more at large in Washington right now. So, that's the first part. The second part is the president had an event today that was supposed to be yet another pivot back to the economy, this time shifting away from Syria, to say he still focused on domestic events.

But at this event today, he also made another pivot, which was to attack Republicans over the budget. But before he got to that, he did pay tribute and honor to the victims.

Take a listen.

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OBAMA: They know the dangers of serving abroad, but today, they face the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home. So, we offer our gratitude to the Navy and local law enforcement, federal authorities, and the doctors who responded with skill and bravery.

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HENRY: Bottom line is that -- now, I pressed Jay Carney on the tone of this because later on after saying that, the president charged there's an extreme wing of the Republican Party that in his words wants to tank the entire economy. I asked Carney whether or not that was appropriate while this manhunt was going on. He said that they did not think about cancelling the speech, that there's a lot of pressing budget issues right now, and as much as he wanted to honor victims, he wanted to make sure and keep pressure on Republicans to get this budget crisis solved as well. So, he obviously is juggling a little of both, guys.

PERINO: Certainly considered a curious choice, but, Bob, you have a question.

BECKEL: Yes, it is Bob Beckel.

All right. We were asked to not have you speculate on anything. So, let me ask you to speculate tonight whether there's going to be a White House event that was scheduled for tonight. Is that still going to be on?

HENRY: They're having an event scheduled with the first lady and the president honoring Latin music. Every indication is that that's moving forward. So, it's not speculation to say they're planning to do that.

BECKEL: OK, good. You saved me from being out-speculated a speculation. OK, who's got to question?

PERINO: We are going to Eric now.

BOLLING: So, more of an observation, maybe I can bring in Dana on this. So, this shooting happens, there's a speech that was written, and clearly the second half of the speech attacks the House Republicans for not playing ball with the president on some things that are economic.

Dana, is there any way that the president, you know, pivots from that speech and says I am going to discard that, let's go with a more, I don't know, bipartisan discussion of the economy?

PERINO: Always a judgment call when things are unfolding. I think my advice would have been to go ahead and cancel it. Maybe people suggested in the White House that they cancel it but they went forward with it.

At the time he was giving the remarks, we didn't know 12 people had been killed. I don't know -- maybe the White House knew, but I think it was a judgment call, I would have gone the other way, but they don't typically --

GUILFOYLE: Call you?

PERINO: -- go for the advice that I provide.

Kimberly, do you have a question for Ed?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I do, just in terms of White House, the reaction to this. So far, we haven't seen them label it as a specific incident like domestic terrorism or workplace violence, and then the other cause for concern is we saw this happen at Fort Hood, now our naval base, what are they thinking they should be doing about securing our bases and securing the Navy Yard, why wasn't this more secure in light of what happened at Fort Hood?

HENRY: Well, on the last point here, that is a major issue. Because the fact that a military base, someone was able to get on, early reports are that perhaps the suspect stole someone else's ID and that led to confusion as to who he actually was, his identity and what not. Having been on Andrews Air Force Base, as Dana has been a lot, as he was with President Bush, I go there with President Obama oftentimes. It's extremely hard to get on a base without going through several checks.

So, that is eye opening. And I think that's something -- this is an installation I believe, not a base, but it's still shocking that it could still happen. So, there's going to be a heavy investigation of that.

The other question about Fort Hood, Jay Carney got the question whether there was any indication of terrorism in his daily briefing. He basically said he didn't want to speculate. That seems wise today since nobody has all of the information yet.

But you're right, there's still ongoing controversy with Fort Hood, that the administration classified that as workplace violence, even though there are other signs in that case that suggest it was actually terror.

PERINO: Last question is going to go to Greg, unless we have time for Bob.

GUTFELD: Ed, who is armed and not armed in places like these? Are there a lot of people that are packing or just a few people?

HENRY: I'll give you the example of Andrews Air Force Base when we go and fly somewhere with President Obama. There are a significant number of military personnel there who are armed, and, thankfully, I've never seen an incident anywhere close to this at a place like Andrews. We travel with the president around the country and around the world to U.S. military installations.

I have always seen them to have a heavy security presence, so how he was able to get through what I would anticipate would be more than just one checkpoint is something that's going to be looked at closely.

PERINO: All right. That's all the time for you. Thanks so much for being with us.

HENRY: Thank you.

PERINO: Directly ahead, Greta Van Susteren is on scene at the Washington Navy Yard and she's going to join us.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was on the fourth floor when the shooting started. We saw, heard sounds that kind of sounds like a muffled gunshot, didn't know what it was. We had people running in the hall ways, telling everybody to evacuate. A couple of minutes later, the fire alarm inside the building went off, which is the way to get everybody outside.

We picked up radios in the sections where they helped evacuate the building and get everybody out. Once we got people -- outside to the back of the building, evacuated up to one area that was closed off, because we have gates for the base, moved them the other way, then I was outside there when another person was shot in the alleyway.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are panicking and was trying to decide which way we were going to run out, the people -- the workers in the cafeteria wanted us to stay in there and hide, but I just ran, a few of us ran out the side exit. There we saw the security guard, she told us to run to shelter, keep running, she had her gun drawn. Someone had pulled the fire alarm, that's when I heard police, MPs, everybody was just coming down the car with sirens.

REPORTER: What did the shots sound like?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's like pow, pow, pow. In a few seconds, it stopped. And then, pow, pow, pow, pow. So, we just ran.

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GUTFELD: Welcome back to "The Five."

Continuing coverage of the breaking news, a mass shooting at the Washington Navy Yard in our nation's capital.

Greta Van Susteren has been on scene and joins us now.

Greta, what have you learned?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST, "ON THE RECORD": Well, first of all, you know, Greg, I have been here since early this morning. I think Peter Doocy was here about an hour and a half ahead of me, it has been a day of absolute hell here.

Now, you know, I have covered a lot of these -- I was in Newtown, Aurora, Virginia Tech, I covered all of them, they're pretty much the same. They're all just a horrible nightmare. You have citizens that just went off to work, in this instance, we have, you know, 12, 11 Americans who this morning thought they were going out for a busy day at the naval yard behind us.

And this naval yard, it's had incredible history. It was built in 1799 and it is a beautiful naval yard. It is on the coast of the Potomac River, right across from Reagan National Airport.

And suddenly, about 8: 0 in the morning, the most horrible thing happened. Some man we now know his name, he's been identified, somehow he got inside this military installation, and the rest of us are sort of scratching our heads, how in the world did he get in?

We are often times in Washington trying to get to military installations when doing our business, have to show ID, we get stopped. When you go out to Andrews Air Force Base, it is incredible to get into.

So, how he managed to sort of get in there is beyond us. But he went apparently to the fourth floor, fired down in a cafeteria, start shooting and killing people, on the third floor did the same, and then people were hiding under the desk, hiding in different rooms, and most of them have been held all day today in buildings surrounding us because they were looking for what they thought were two other gunmen.

Now, I believe they're looking for a gunman. Meanwhile, helicopters are going all over, circling us, the media has assembled, and we're waiting and waiting. And then, finally, about an hour and a half ago, they began to let people leave the building. In so many instances, they just leave the building, walk right past the media, we say do you want to talk to us -- no, they don't want to talk to us, they look shell shocked, they don't realize how much -- what has happened.

I spoke to one captain of the Navy. He knew someone who have been killed this morning. So, yes, it's been -- you know, unfortunately, there seems to be a blueprint for these that the people start their days in a very ordinary fashion and then some very horrible things happen and here we are right now, Greg, and the gunman is dead, we don't know why. And that's what we're going to continue to dig for more information.

GUILFOYLE: Hi, Greta. It's Kimberly. I just wanted to talk to you about the immediate aftermath of the shooting and the investigation. As you and I know from covering so many of these unfortunate shootings, that you have to really secure the crime scene because evidence, weapons or potential accomplices can exit before you have a chance to secure it. I know they had the opportunity to talk to some people. One individual in particular that they decided was not involved and was released.

What can you tell us about that?

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I don't know much about him. I mean, it was really a mad house here, as there is every time as sort of -- you know, we had a number of police agencies responding to the scene.

I might add, Kimberly, I don't think all of the bodies have been removed from the building behind me because this is as you say an investigation. Every time there's a forensic investigation, they don't want to disturb until they have absolutely everything determined, which means coming to the scene, photographing, identifying.

So, right, this is -- you know, we can't get inside the building but I suspect forensics experts are inside there, trying to figure out what went on there, where each shot was fired from. They're essentially reengineering the crime to figure out what could have happened. And it is a possibility, it seems almost unheard of.

By the way, you might see all the activity behind me, and the noise of siren, I suspect that's secretary of the Navy who has arrived at the scene, because there isn't a lot of ongoing activity here, although the helicopters have stopped.

It was unbelievable, all of the helicopters that were circling, trying to figure out if there were two others involved in the shooting, and looking for them, there was a lockdown here, that has pretty much stopped, so that has changed. But so many unanswered questions right now.

And even who is this guy? Why would he do this? What was his beef? I hope by the end of the evening, we're going to have a lot more answers on that.

BECKEL: Hey, Greta, this is Bob. You and Dana and I lived in the Washington area for a number of years. These facilities are very, very secure.

How -- excuse me. How in the world do they think this guy got in there with that kind of weaponry and not be stopped? I mean, I still find that mind boggling.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, there's a suspicion, I underline, is that he had help. You know, that someone -- maybe he got the weapons from someone he shot, maybe he got it from someone in security, not help but someone that he had overpowered someone.

What I'm told it is a turnstile that go over -- I mean, even I can jump a turnstile. It doesn't take a lot to jump a turnstile. So, it might have happened so quickly that nobody knew essentially what hit him when he came through the front door.

You know, we get complacent, we get used to things not going wrong, and we expect people are going to show and flash badges and go into the buildings and you don't expect something like this to happen.

So, you know, I suspect it took everyone by surprise and unfortunately he was very well powered, had lots of weapons and, you know, he did the unthinkable before anybody had a chance to stop him.

BOLLING: Greta, it's Eric.

I'm just trying to figure out, this is called building 197, I believe. I'm trying to figure out why he chose this. It seems there may be a lot of people in the building.

Is there any indication he knows that from the inside? Was he there, did he spend time there, knowing that's a building he may have opportunity to have a lot of victims?

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, he is a reservist. And as I understand it, his reserve duty, when he is active Navy, he wasn't here, and as reservist, he was down in Texas.

What I don't know and I think that's why the story, we're just getting pieced together as time marches on, is whether or not perhaps as a naval contractor, he had more information. I underline the fact that we're really sort of flying blind at this point because this caught us all by surprise, who this guy is, why in the world he would want to do the unthinkable.

So I can't give you that information. I suspect, you know, as the hours go on, we're going to get a lot more information about him. I've actually seen videos from in Texas where he lived of some friends that have given us a little more information about him.

Of course, it's always the same picture, he was a nice guy, et cetera, et cetera, isn't that nice a guy, because he came in and murdered all of these people. But we're starting to get more information on him, and it's just -- it's going to take hours before we can answer questions like that.

PERINO: Greta, I know we're running out of time. I wanted to ask. Do you think there will be any sort of video or photographic evidence that might help us tell the story or at least understand how he got into the complex?

VAN SUSTEREN: I expect there to be a movie of everything he did, a movie of when he came in, a movie when he fired his gun, a movie of when he shot the people, because government buildings in D.C., they are loaded with cameras. So, I expect it is all caught on camera. I don't know if we'll ever see it, I don't know if you want to see it, but I suspect it's there.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Greta. Good job.

Coming up, an update from the hospital where many of the wounded have been treated today.

And later, FOX has new information on the suspect involved in today's shooting.

Stay with us.

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RAY MABUS, SECRETARY OF THE NAVY: The Navy family today suffered a horrific attack, and we are a family. The civilians that worked in Navy and do the critical work that has to be done suffered just a stunning and horrific blow today.

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GUILFOYLE: That was Ray Mabus, secretary of the Navy, on the tragedy at the U.S. Navy Yard in Washington today.

We want to get an update now on the victims. For that, we go to FOX's Mike Emanuel, who's live at MedStar Washington Hospital Center -- Mike.

MIKE EMANUEL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, hi, Kimberly.

Three victims are being treated here, two women who were civilian employees of the Navy and a Metropolitan Police Department police officer. All indications are they are most concerned about the police officer who suffered substantial wounds to his legs, to his bones and arteries. One of the women was also in surgery. She was shot in the shoulder.

And then the final victim, a woman, shot in the head and hand, and her story is nothing short of a miracle.

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DR. JANIS ORLOWSKI, MEDSTAR WASHINGTON CHIEF MED OFFICER: Third individual will not have surgery. She is a very, very lucky young lady. She actually has injury to her hand and to her head, but the bullet actually did not penetrate the skull. But she will recover without surgery.

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EMANUEL: The last update we had all three were upgraded from critical to stable. They seemed surprised they didn't see more surviving victims here, and we are told all three were asking about their colleagues there at the Navy Yard -- Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Mike Emanuel, thank you for that update. We will have more updates on the victims later in the program.

But now, let's bring in from the D.C. Bureau, the former commanding officer of the USS Cole, Kirk Lippold.

Commander, thanks for joining us on the program this evening. We understand that you have talked to people who are actually inside the building and you also have plenty of experience having spent time in that facility as well. Tell us about it.

KIRK LIPPOLD, FORMER COMMANDING OFFICER, USS COLE: I did. I was actually texting the two former ship mates of the naval academy classmate as the attack was ongoing. And then I spoke with two officers who were actually on board USS Cole with me when we were attacked, that managed to escape the shooter today.

GUILFOYLE: Wow. So, tell us a little about their stories, I am sure they were harrowing, they were experiencing it in real time and transmitting it to you.

LIPPOLD: Well, the building the way it is designed is like a large square multiple story with an atrium in the middle. As you go up, it's a lot of steel beams. So, as the rounds starting going off, it was echoing, and they couldn't tell where shots were from, they knew it was bad, and begun to order people get out of the building and go down or shelter in place.

BOLLING: Commander as a service member at the facility, are you allowed to carry a firearm?

LIPPOLD: No, you're not. They have security and armed people at the gate, they have patrols around the base itself. And as you go into the building they have armed security there, and for every indication that we have, he shot his way into the building and then began to access the different floors.

BECKEL: Commander, this is Bob Beckel.

Just on that point, this is the most secure as I understand it, the most secure part of the naval facility. It is where some weapons systems are developed. How is it possible, how is it possible for somebody to get into that building with a high powered rifle like that or rifles and a handgun, and maybe a shotgun, and get away with something like this.

Does it tell you that security is just lousy?

LIPPOLD: Well, the biggest thing, Bob, is when it is secure, it is secure for classified information. He had to shoot his way in and shoot his way up the stairs to get to the third floor and begin his rampage.

GUILFOYLE: Dana has a question.

PERINO: Commander, I wonder if you could tell us if you heard about the moment when the suspect, Aaron Alexis, was killed, if you know anything about how that came to be?

LIPPOLD: I have not heard anything about how he came to be and I think only an investigation is going to really tell us how and why he did what he did and how he was eventually taken down by the police.

GUILFOYLE: Quick question, Commander, before we have to let you go. Just about the surveillance videos, how much videotape is available to investigators right now and is perhaps that's why some of the theory about an additional another person being involved is coming from?

LIPPOLD: I think Greta is absolutely right. When you come in the gate, you're on videotape. When you go approach that building, you're going to be on videotape. As you enter the main atrium area, you're going to be on tape.

So, there are multiple players of surveillance video that show how he came in, where he parked, who got out of the car with him, what weapons he pulled, and then how he gained access into the building shooting.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Thank you, Kirk Lippold for joining us, former commanding officer of the USS Cole.

Be sure to stay with FOX News through the night, "SPECIAL REPORT" and "FOX REPORT" in their usual spots. Bill Hemmer and Greta will be live at 8:00, "HANNITY" at 9:00, and then Greta is back with a two-hour edition of "ON THE RECORD".

Stay with us.

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BECKEL: Right now, the shooting at the U.S. Navy Yard in Washington, at least 12 people are dead, 13 including the shooter.

FOX's chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge joins us from Washington.

Catherine, the FBI has taken over the investigation. Tell us why that's important.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX NEWS CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDETN: Well, Bob, it's significant for two reasons. If I was going to break it down, number one, it's the resource question. By putting it under the auspices of the FBI, they now have access about 600 agents that are attached to the WFO, or the Washington field office here in the city.

Number two, if they're looking at this third suspect that they want to question, and they have to cross state lines, that's really easier under the auspices of an FBI investigation or a federal investigation.

Number three, a short time ago, I spoke to a former member of one of the joint terrorism task forces in one of the larger American cities, who said to me, that by putting it under the auspices of the FBI, that was another data point that terrorism has not been ruled out in this case because if it had simply been concluded to be a disgruntled worker at DOD, they could have left it under the auspices of NCIS rather than making that shift, Bob.

BECKEL: OK. Kimberly, you got a question?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I think that's the significance, that piece of information. The question I have is just -- are we getting any more information about the shooter? Because so far, we've heard some conflicting information. They recently converted to Buddhism, not aware of terrorists that are Buddhists as well.

And then also, about the ID, why wasn't the deactivated if it was stolen and are they investigating that individual?

HERRIDGE: Well, the information we have is that his name is now being run at this hour through the databases for Homeland Security, as well as the National Counterterrorism Center to essentially scrub his background, to see if there are any suspicious links.

I was told that the initial review had shown nothing, with connection to terrorism, but that was ongoing, and one of the key elements is that they're looking to see whether he operated under any other aliases that would include as a standard operating procedure where' where he had a convert name -- Kimberly.

BECKEL: OK, thank you, Catherine, very much.

HERRIDGE: You're welcome.

BECKEL: More to come on the tragedy in Washington today. Don't go away.

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BOLLING: All right. Final moments now on the shooting in Washington, D.C. today.

I'll go first, very quickly. The shortest time ever recorded it seems to be the time between when the shootings were announced and the liberals begun to blame the conservatives (INAUDIBLE) on gun control. So I expect full attacks on the Second Amendments start tomorrow, but expect full- throated defense of that.

K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: I just hope they do a full and thorough investigation and properly classify this terrible tragedy unlike what they did in Ft. Hood.

BOLLING: Robert?

BECKEL: All I can say is, since 9/11, the Patriot Act, Washington is the most heavily defended city in the world. It's got more intelligence units, intelligence on top of intelligence used. It raises the questions, is it worth it? Is it worth the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on it? I think the answer is no.

BOLLING: Dana?

PERINO: Well, we spent a lot of time talking about Aaron Alexis. We don't have any names of the victims. And I expect that that will unfold as the families are told and that's when we should make sure that we say a special prayer for them and for their families because they're going to be going through hell.

BOLLING: That's a great point. That's a great point.

Gregory, you're up.

GUTFELD: Worst place to read about things like this? Twitter. Why do people in times of ugliness feel the urge to wax political immediately at that moment? Henry Winkler, David Frum, that jackass from Russia, Alexis whatever -- who cares?

Anyway, there needs to be a pill -- a withhold judgment pill that you take.

BOLLING: Very good. All right, guys. We're going to have to leave it there. Keep it right here --

BECKEL: By the way, you're the one who announced that was going to be a start of a gun control debate tomorrow. We didn't say that --

BOLLING: No, I said I plan a full-throated defense --

BECKEL: How do you know you're going to have somebody who's going to go after?

BOLLING: We'll see what happens.

PERINO: They already did.

BOLLING: That's it for "The Five." Thanks for watching.

Stay tuned to Fox News for continuing coverage of the Navy Yard shootings.

"Special Report" is next.

Check out the video we have right now -- the White House flag flown at half-staff.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pow, pow, pow. A few seconds, it stopped and then, pow, pow, pow, pow.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a man in full fatigues with a long gun running from this sidewalk that way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can confirm that the deceased shooter from this morning has been identified as 34-year-old Aaron Alexis of Ft. Worth, Texas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We saw him raise the rifle and then we saw him raised and aimed it in our direction.

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