House, Senate in tense standoff as shutdown deadline looms; environmentalists putting drama before data?

Published Monday, September 30, 2013 / The Five

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 30, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a FOX News alert.

Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling.

We are waiting right now, any minute, we've already had -- we've gone past the two-minute warning for President Obama who will approach the podium at the Brady Press Briefing Room in the White House. The president is expected to weigh in on the back and forth that's been going on regarding the government shutdown that's supposed to take place at midnight tonight.

All day long, House members and Senate members have been ping ponging back and forth, discussing what to do with this continuing resolution that will fund the government, whether it's for another week, another month, until the end of the year or going forward, because the House earlier on a week -- during the weekend, on Saturday, attached an amendment to the Senate bill, Senate sent it over to the House, the House took the bill, added language that would delay the implementation of ObamaCare for a year, and also added some language as to making sure that Congress was also going to have to use ObamaCare going forward.

So, that bill is voted on in the House. It was passed. They sent it to Harry Reid in the Senate. Harry Reid categorically rejected the bill, said, no way, we're not going to vote on that.

So, now, it goes back to the House. The House has the bill. We're waiting to hear what happens, if President Obama should approach the microphone any minute.

Bob, you've been a political analyst for a long time. Have you ever seen so much weighing in, so much importance on one or two votes in your life?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: No, but I have also never seen one of these -- there's been 17 of these since I was born. And, generally, this conversation, the amazing thing to me is how little conversation there's been --

BOLLING: All right. Here we go, here's the president.

(PRES. OBAMA'S REMARKS)

BOLLING: All right. That was President Obama wrapping up about a 10- minute speech. He came to the podium to talk about the Affordable Care Act.

If I may, just for a second -- he described what tomorrow will likely look like. He said federal workers, their paychecks will be delayed. He said that several hundred thousand workers will be furloughed. He pointed out that Social Security checks will still go out. National parks will shut down. The economy will be hurt.

He also talked about -- he talked about the House. He talked about how the House cannot shut down ObamaCare. He said -- he outlined the provisions of ObamaCare, that he found important, maybe some of the less controversial provisions. And he summed it up with the bottom line -- he's willing to work to make sure the Affordable Care Act works better. He called ObamaCare our basic responsibility and that we should never threaten the full faith and credit of the United States government.

Kimberly, I'm not sure that he was talking to -- who was he talking to?

Let me ask you that.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: He was talking to his supporters. He was further defining with the stroke of a brush who the bad guys are in this, the people that want to shut the government down, the obstructionists, the people who are the extreme right that are very dangerous. That are the ones that are undermining the government in everything that we're supposed to be taking care of and responsible for.

But he didn't take any questions because he doesn't want to really hear what anybody else has to say.

BOLLING: Greg, you're pointing out some interesting comments he made. Go ahead.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, whenever this happens, they act like this is a horrible thing that's never happened before. The government shut down seven times when Tip O'Neill was around.

And obviously remember '94, Bill Clinton, it shut down for a long period of time. The government was closed while his pants remained open.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: But it's a horror movie that you keep seeing over and over again.

And it keeps saying, and Bob keeps saying its the law of the land. But the law keeps changing. He's changed it more times, I don't know, than Bob's facts, you know? It's just like, how can it be the law of the land when it's constantly changing?

Then I have one other point about, I'm for the shutdown if you get the money back. Like where does the money go when the government is not working? Does it go to some secret place?

It's like holding back a fart, you know? It disappears with no relief.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: I want to know where the money goes.

BOLLING: All right. That's a good enter for you, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, toss it to Bob.

BOLLING: The one thing that resonated with me -- he said ObamaCare is our basic responsibility. Do you agree?

BECKEL: Let's try to put this all in somewhat of a perspective, beginning with the idea of a continuing resolution about keeping the government open.

What is stalling on that is that the House in the form of a very extreme wing of the party is holding up because they want to use that vehicle to keep the government open to change ObamaCare.

Now, the Senate says no, Obama says no, ObamaCare starts tomorrow. It's already funded. They can't do anything about that.

So, the question I think, it is about ObamaCare, but it's really about keeping the government open or closed. And the other thing I think when he talks about, he sent a message out about the debt ceiling. But we're still

17 days away from the debt ceiling.

BOLLING: His last line was, he said we should never keep -- put the full faith and credit of the United States at risk.

Jedediah Bila is sitting in for Dana Perino tonight.

Jedediah, your thoughts on President Obama's speech?

JEDEDIAH BILA, CO-HOST: The line that I love is when he talks about the shutdown and he says it's a real economic impact on real people. Yes, guess what, so is ObamaCare. That's what this whole fight is about. It's about the economic impact, negative economic impact on small businesses shifting workers from full-time to part-time status of ObamaCare.

And I think it's also really interesting that he presents -- when the right has something to say, it's presented as an ideological battle, not a practical policy battle. When the left has something to say, it's always presented as a tangible practical battle. That's simply not true.

We're talking about policy. We're talking about bad policy. And we finally have Republicans willing to fight to defund something that stinks.

BOLLING: Allow me. Greg pointed out that it's a law, Bob, but it's the law that keeps changing. People keep getting exempt from the law -- the unions are exempt, some states, different groups, special interest groups are getting exempt.

GUILFOYLE: Shape shifting.

BOLLING: Why should that be a law? By the way, a law that was passed with zero Republican votes. Zero, not a one.

BECKEL: Well, laws are passed by majorities. Are they not? The -- in the end, I think what we're look at here is you don't like this law, I understand that. The Republicans don't like it, I understand that.

But tomorrow morning, there are millions of Americans who are going to go and try to get -- who do not have health insurance or have marginal health insurance, who are going to try to get some. It seems we have a responsibility here to -- if you want to continue to beat up on it, fine.

If you want to change it, go and elect people who will change it.

GUTFELD: I agree with you. This really is -- it is about elections. And that's kind of the sobering reality for Republicans.

By the way, if they want to get that medical device repealed, include golf clubs in that and Obama would agree.

The fact is the law is expensive, unwieldy and it's full of glitches. In other words, it's a liberal success.

The best argument Republicans have is that Obama has tinkered with this monster already. He's delayed this. He's cut that. He makes Dr.

Frankenstein look like an amateur hobbyist.

You know, why can't the Republicans tinker with it? Why can't they add a rider that says you in Congress have to accept ObamaCare as your coverage?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Because they don't want to accept it.

BOLLING: Bob points out, it's a law you've got to deal with. Greg very astutely points out, this is about politics. What we've shown here, what we've exposed here, or they have, is that there are two different factions in the Republican Party. There are those on the right that Ted Cruz as a Tea Partiers, Rand Paul and the like who want to say, even if it's in a law, we still have fight in us.

GUILFOYLE: But they want to stand on principle. Yes.

BOLLING: And they still want to fight the good point.

GUILFOYLE: And the reason is because they believe that it is deeply flawed, that it is injurious to the American economy and, I believe ultimately, to the middle class who will bear the burden of this. So, yes, they should stand on principle. But if that's what they want to do, but if it was just about partisanship, they'd be more worried about the whole party going forward in unison to try and do something together.

BECKEL: You know, you don't -- the fact is that nobody at this table knows what the outcome of this law is going to be. What we do know, in fact, as I repeat this, tomorrow, there will be people by the millions signing up for health insurance for the first time. And it seems to me we have a responsibility not to sit here and argue about this person or that person, whether the Republicans -- but to explain how these exchanges work and how they can get insurance.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Tomorrow, we could all get free bicycles. We can give 50 million bicycles. It's not our responsibility to say who pays for it.

BOLLING: But also, the point is, let's just say we give free bicycles.

Jedediah, we give free bicycles. Do you ever take them back if they don't work?

BILA: Well, that's the problem. Once you roll this out -- this is what the Republicans like the Ted Cruzes and the Mike Lees are saying. The reason you need to fight now is because once this gets out there, once this starts to be implemented, we're never going to be able to roll it back.

This bad policy is going to multiply. Premiums are already up.

And, Bob, you said we're not seeing result of this yet. Unfortunately, we are. We're seeing the workers shift over to part-time status. We're seeing premiums rise. We're seeing that all the quality of care is going to decrease. It's just going to get worse.

BECKEL: You're seeing very small numbers. Can I just make one small point about -- do we have a responsibility again, you know, Greg you say it's like giving away a free bike. You know what this really is?

Let's be honest about this. The Republicans don't like entitlements. They

don't want another entitlement to get out there they can't reverse. This

is about Social Security and Medicare --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Thank you for calling it what it is. It's an entitlement program.

GUILFOYLE: Entitlement.

BECKEL: I've said it's an entitlement program.

BOLLING: Bob, definitely, not the precision.

GUTFELD: The octopus has just grown another tentacle.

BOLLING: Right.

BECKEL: That's why the Republicans don't want it out there.

BOLLING: Right, right, we've got to go. We have so much more on this.

Don't go away. Stay with us.

That clock right in front, the clock if you can take that -- if that clock strikes zero, the government shuts down, folks, if they don't get a deal.

Stick around. We'll be right back.

BECKEL: And they will not get a deal.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: The big political question in Washington is who will take the blame if the government shuts down?

Well, a new poll shows more Americans would blame Republicans right now than President Obama. And so, the battle for the hearts and minds of the American people continues.

Ted Cruz blames Harry Reid.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Harry Reid has said we won't even have a conversation. I refuse to compromise. If we have a shutdown, it will be because Harry Reid holds that absolutist position and essentially holds the American people hostage.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Bill Clinton is going after the Republicans.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAM J. CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: Can you remember a time in your lifetime when a major political party was just sitting around begging for America to fail?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: But Bob Woodward thinks President Obama could be blamed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BOB WOODWARD, WASHINGTON POST ASSOC. EDITOR: The American economy is at stake. And the president, if there is a downturn or a collapse or whatever could happen here that's bad, it's going to be on his head.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: We hear a lot of rhetoric from Mr. Woodward lately -- Bolling.

BOLLING: Here's what I think this goes. This ping pong back and forth, we've seen so many of this. They may shut down, but they may shut down for a day or two, and then all of a sudden, they'll figure out a way to refund the government until the next one and the next one.

ObamaCare will get implemented in the meantime. But this is brilliant strategy by Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and the other people on the far right.

They've fought. They've fought tooth and nail. They've made it clear to the American people that they don't like this ObamaCare. Then they lost the fight.

So that in 2014 when it comes out and all these little districts are going up against Democrats, Republicans against Democrats. There's going to have to -- look, if Obama care works, they'll be in trouble on right. But if it fails like everyone thinks it will or it's hurting the economy, then they will win and they will win handily in 2014.

Again, one more time -- don't call it ObamaCare, starting today, it's demo care. Not the ACA. It's demo care.

BECKEL: Do you think it's a brilliant strategy to lose? Is that --

BOLLING: No, no, there's not a win in it for the Republicans right now --

BECKEL: You said Cruz and the --

BOLLING: And Rand Paul and the Tea Party and the right, yes.

BECKEL: Rand Paul, he represents such a tiny --

BOLLING: No, no, you're wrong, Bob. You're so, so wrong. You're so wrong.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I'm not wrong. You know that this whole thing is happening because of 17 Tea Party members in the House, refuse to go along. Would they -- did anybody think they're going to get something out of this?

BOLLING: Bob, there were 23 Republicans senators that voted not for cloture that would have kept the debate going, 23.

BECKEL: Yes, it was easy vote, wasn't it?

BOLLING: No, no, but you're saying it's a small percentage of the electorate. I'm telling you it's not. It's not. The Tea Party --

BECKEL: Do you think that --

BOLLING: How many -- what percentage of the American people do not want Obama care?

BECKEL: You can argue about polls all you want. What percentage of American people want to see the government shutdown over ObamaCare?

BOLLING: No.

BECKEL: A vast majority do not want to see a shut down.

BOLLING: I'm saying, what percentage of people do not like ObamaCare?

BECKEL: What I'm saying, your strategy here is not, the American people don't agree with it. If you think you want to beat ObamaCare, let's go back to what I said -- get off your ass and go out and work for people who are going to want to be these extremists.

BOLLING: Demo care.

GUILFOYLE: But they agree in principle because they don't support ObamaCare.

BECKEL: How do you know?

GUILFOYLE: Because you look at the poll numbers, Bob, we've been talking about on the show. We have full screens and nice graphics.

BECKEL: They have not seen, they have not seen it.

Tomorrow, when people get up, the vast majority of them, their health care will not change one bit. You'll all told them the sky is going to fall and it's not.

GUILFOYLE: Nobody Chicken Littled the situation. Go ahead, Greg.

BECKEL: Oh, Chicken Little it.

GUTFELD: No, I mean, look, Obama has lied about a lot of things about this bill and this law. And we don't know what's going to happen. But we do know that he was dishonest. That we're watching the stuff go up in price.

Republicans, however, will get the blame because we're supposed to get the blame as a Republican or conservative. We are the anti-Santa Clause that comes down the chimney and takes the present.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, terrible.

GUTFELD: That's who we are.

GUILFOYLE: That's the Grinch.

GUTFELD: We will always be the bad guys -- which makes us the true rebels in this fight. The winning strategy here though, is you've got to create an out for your adversary. You've got to -- you know, you're high if you think Obama's going to give up his signature achievement.

He's not. It's like Da Vinci to disown the Mona Lisa. This is his baby.

You've got to create a way where you can have a compromise. You can walk away it.

I don't think this is a big deal. Like I said, this government shutdown, it's like watching "Carrie" on TV. You've seen this horror movie 100 times. You know the ending. You're too lazy to change the channel.

Two days later, you're on to something else.

GUILFOYLE: Jedediah, what does it matter?

BILA: It matters because many people, many folks on the right stayed home and did not vote for Mitt Romney because they didn't feel inspired. They now have people to look who they feel like, when we elect these people, we elect Ted Cruz and we elect Mike Lee, we can count on them to do what they said they were going to do. They ran an ObamaCare repeal and they made it their priority. Those voters now feel like they have someone within the GOP that they can count on.

That's the bigger picture moving forward.

BECKEL: All I can say is please nominate Ted Cruz and we'll go on to a bigger loss than I had, which was a lot. Ted Cruz --

GUILFOYLE: You want to --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: But, look, let's get back here to --

BOLLING: As opposed to nominating a squishy Republican --

BECKEL: Well, the divided Republican Party is the one that's clearly come out there, what has been coming out, frankly --

BOLLING: So, what happens when you go moderate Republican in a general election? You had McCain and Romney. What happens?

BECKEL: Do you think that Ted Cruz could beat that?

BOLLING: I don't know. But I would think that a Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, or one of the other Tea Party-type Republicans would give a better showing than the last time.

Stop yelling at me, guys.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh!

Hostile environment perhaps. Let's take a listen to President Obama who had a cabinet meeting moments ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is my cabinet. And we're going to be discussing the impacts potentially of a shutdown and how all these various agencies will be managing to make sure the core essential functions continue but also obviously to help try to manage what's going to be a very difficult potential situation for the employees of all these agencies who are doing outstanding and very difficult work all across the country.

So I appreciate all the members of the cabinets who are here. They've been doing a lot of planning. I wish they were spending more time focusing on how to grow jobs in the economy as opposed to having to spend time figuring out how to manage a government shutdown. But as always, they're prepared.

And we'll be getting a full briefing from the entire crew during the course of this meeting.

All right. Thank you very much, everybody.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. So the president also signaling that it is the fault of the Republicans that there is a lack of jobs, poor economy, that if they spent more time doing their job, instead of being obstructionist, that this wouldn't be happening -- Greg.

GUTFELD: Yes, was that John Kerry or an actual cabinet?

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Glad we took time for that.

Jedediah?

BILA: I would say to President Obama -- we are focused on jobs and growing the economy. That's why we want to repeal ObamaCare.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling?

BOLLING: President Obama walked into the cabinet room and said, oh, so this is what it looks like.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Bob?

BECKEL: Greg's point about it won't last long is right. No matter what happens in the end, no matter what happens, the Republicans will lose.

GULFOYLE: All right. Lots more from "The Five" when we return. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: So, new research shows people dislike green causes because they dislike environmentalists. Their extreme views are turnoffs apparently.

Case in point, on Twitter, meteorologist Eric Ulthaus (ph) said he's never flying again. He tweeted that he, quote, "broke down in tears after reading the U.N. climate report", and tweeted, "No more air travel" before actually boarding a plane -- which makes me think his in-laws are not in driving distance and the in-laws are really pleased. The guy's a kook.

Someone should tell him planes are better than driving as their nitrous oxide causes cooling by ridding (ph) methane in the air. But hey, he says he's the expert in what, beta male sniveling? Seriously, is there anyone who can verify seeing this dweeb crying at SFO?

I'm calling B.S. on this drama queen. This is what dooms environmentalism

-- dishonest hysterics who put drama before data. When hysterics talk of getting vasectomy to save earth, I say, please do because you're crooked.

The U.N. report was in chaos after experts pondered hiding the news that the earth hadn't, hadn't warmed in 15 years, despite an increase in emissions. They concluded that the missing heat was trapped in the ocean.

It's like blaming gas on the dog if the ocean was your dog.

The real issue, the cover-up. Leaked documents obtained by "The A.P." show that the U.S. government tried to get scientists to downplay this lack of global warning.

So, who is anti-science now? Who is the flat earther? If only President Obama had taken science classes instead of bong hits.

GUILFOYLE: My God!

BOLLING: Oh!

BILA: Cutting at the end there.

GUTFELD: This guy, K.G., said he would never fly again, then he gets on a plane. How long is his little symbolic act going to last?

GUILFOYLE: I hope a long time because I am tired of riding in the middle seat, if you know what I mean. Good. Clear out the airplanes. You environmentalists don't have to go on. They can walk or bicycle or whatever they want do, right? Like at U.C.-Davis, ride the bike. But, you know, this is just hysteria. They're doubling down because of the fact that their numbers in their series are not proving to be valid. In fact, invalid, and now they're just getting hysterical about it.

GUTFELD: J.B., shouldn't somebody follow this guy around, like, shouldn't somebody appoint themselves to see if he ever gets on a plane?

BILA: All right, I'll do it, if you ask nicely.

Look, I think he is a kook. But I have to say, if he follows through with this, I have immense respect for him. Because there are so many environmentalists out there that say one thing and do another.

Hi, Al Gore. Talking to you.

But there's so many people who don't follow through it. If he decides he's never going to fly again in order to prove a point, you have to respect that in some sense.

GUTFELD: All right, he's also a vegetarian. So, there's that.

E.B., for 15 years, flattening.

BOLLING: It's funny, isn't it?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: And then they said the IPCC, probably the U.N. report, said, well, we didn't have enough data. It's too close. We'll have to wait longer. However, if they found the exact opposite, they found global warming. they would have been all over it, hundreds of billions of dollars, help us out.

And I think they ignored the fact -- I believe I read this, that the sea ice that's actually freezing, it's freezing at a record rate, like approaching record amount of sea ice increase. So, it's just hypocrisy at its finest. However, is this the guy who also said Teddy was going to give himself a vasectomy?

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: What?

BILA: Yes.

BOLLING: No one has to follow him around --

GUILFOYLE: At least you have (INAUDIBLE) on the airport.

GUTFELD: By the way, you should never give yourself a vasectomy, especially on a plane -- if there's turbulence.

Bob, don't you agree with me, though, even if your pro-environment, like I am, I'm a big greenie, what hurts us is hysteria. Exaggeration hurts your cause, in any cause.

BECKEL: Well, all I can say is that there's 7.1 billion people on this planet. If you don't believe that they contribute to the heating of this planet and the greenhouse gases, you really are stretching.

GUILFOYLE: Well, what do you want to do with them, Bob?

BECKEL: I think what we do is we put in place things to mitigate what happens to that.

GUTFELD: You want to send them --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Look, we're not going to agree on this. You know, you have one position, I have another. All I'm saying is it's impossible to imagine this planet would be better off if 7.5 billion people had not emitted greenhouse gases.

GUTFELD: All right. So, we'll just hold them in.

Ahead on "The Five", should the United States be negotiating with Iran? The guy's got a great hat. President Obama spoke more about that today and so did the prime minister of Israel, when "The Five" returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BILA: For the first time since 1979, the United States made contact with Iran on Friday when President Obama spoke with President Rouhani. Today, Mr. Obama spoke about that call in person with Israel's Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu. They spoke about it at the White House earlier.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: The Iranians are now prepared it appears to negotiate. Our hope is that we can resolve this diplomatically. But as president of the United States, I've said before, and I will repeat, that we take no options off the table, including military options.

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISREALI PRIME MINISTER: Iran's conciliatory words have to be matched by real actions. Iran is committed to Israel's destruction.

So for Israel, the ultimate test of a future agreement with Iran is whether or not Iran dismantles its military and nuclear program.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BILA: Should we really believe Iran is willing to negotiate? Their foreign minister denies the country wants nukes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MOHAMMAD JAVAD ZARIF, IRAN FOREIGN MINISTER: We're not seeking nuclear weapons. So, we're not six months, six years, 60 years away from nuclear weapons. We do not want nuclear weapons. We believe nuclear weapons are detrimental to our security. We believe those who have the illusion that nuclear weapons provide then the security are badly mistaken. We need to have a region and a world free from nuclear weapons.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BILA: All right. Eric, are we crazy to even contemplate believing that Iran won't enrich for military purposes?

BOLLING: If you want to answer that question, take a look at that interview. Watch as George Stephanopoulos from "This Week" this past weekend. That guy is the nuclear negotiator for Iran. If you listen -- it's the most disingenuous conversation I've ever heard in my life. Here's what we suggest, that we give up the financial sanctions that are working first and then they'll talk about not enriching uranium above the 20 percent grade, asinine.

GUILFOYLE: Did you play that interview backwards?

BOLLING: I did. It was the Beatles.

GUILFOYLE: Now you know.

GUTFELD: You know, all Rouhani has to do is tell President Obama that the

nuclear reactors are being made to fight bullying.

BILA: That's a great line.

GUILFOYLE: And combat global warning.

BECKEL: It was interesting to Netanyahu endorsed the phone conversation between the two of them. And he's also right to say, unless you see some concrete action. I think he's right.

The other thing is very important over here, that Kimberly wants to find a boyfriend with a jet plane by next week. So, anybody who's got a jet plane, Kimberly to be your girlfriend.

GUILFOYLE: That's when I think my life could get worse. I wait until the next time I'm on with you.

BECKEL: You said that on the break.

GUILFOYLE: Are you kidding, because we have to fly to D.C. or take the train.

BECKEL: I said you should get a boyfriend with a plane. You said, I'm going to look for one.

(LAUGHTER)

BILA: All right. Coming up, NBC News is on board to help the administration sell ObamaCare to the American people. Is that appropriate?

We'll discuss, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Ready or not, the new health care law, that's the promotion for NBC News. It's across their platform teaching people about the new health care reform bill which goes into effect tomorrow, although already millions of people have benefitted from it.

Now, the question, is NBC News doing the Obama administration's work for them? Eric, what do you think?

BOLLING: I think the media is, the lamestream, mainstream media is. You talk about NBC, then you talk about over the weekend, Bob Schieffer said that more Americans want ObamaCare that don't want ObamaCare. But a CBS poll, his own CBS poll proves the exact opposite. More Americans don't want ObamaCare than want ObamaCare.

BILA: I think all the good PR in the world will not save policy. And Americans feel that stuff in their pocketbooks. They feel it in their everyday lives. We are talking about health care. They are going to feel it when they go to their doctor, when they have less options. I don't think good marketing can save them.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But the problem is, why is it now when you turn on the television, you're supposed to get fair and balanced news, the only place you can find is FOX, because the rest of them are really shameless in pushing this shameless progressive agenda. That's not the job of journalists.

BECKEL: I've got an answer to that, but I want to hear what Greg has to say.

GUILFOYLE: OK. No problem, Bob.

GUTFELD: In my short time on this planet, never have I seen so many self- identified artists and rebels fall in line to obey their cult leader. This isn't politics. This is idolatry. This is a religion to them to make sure Obama likes them.

Every time Matt Damon makes a movie, he straps on a bomb for Obama.

BECKEL: Well, NBC --

GUTFELD: Because all his movies bombed.

BECKEL: I want to congratulate NBC News, and I think everybody who has access to the public, including this show, this network, ought to take out some time and explain not whether you like it or not like it, but what you need to do to get yourself health insurance. It is there. It's the law and it starts tomorrow.

GUILFOYLE: Why is it NBC's job? How is it the job of the news network?

BECKEL: Because virtually every time you have had a major policy initiative, media goes through the details of what you need to get done.

What's wrong with that?

GUTFELD: The government created a program to promote a program and now they want a program to create a program for the program. That's the failure.

BECKEL: This is as simple as saying, this is where you go, here's the Web site, here's the --

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GUTFELD: So, you're creating artificial --

BECKEL: All I say is I wish that the show had done more of that. We will in the days ahead, I hope.

"One More Thing" is up next.

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BOLLING: All righty. "One More Thing". Jedediah, you're up first.

BILA: I have a wonderful story about a brother and sister who were separated in the 1970s at the ages of 6 and 14. Their parents separated at the time. And they recently discovered that they both serve in the U.S.

navy in California.

There's a picture of them. They were recently reunited. Commander Cindy Murray and Chief Aviation Officer Robert Williamson, reunited Friday at the Naval Medical Center in San Diego. Pretty phenomenal story of getting back together with the ones you love.

BECKEL: That's a great.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice.

BOLLING: K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I love anniversaries. And there's one in particular we'd like to celebrate. The 15th year anniversary of our friend Dana Parino and Peter. There they are 15 years ago, more or less, maybe 14 to be exact.

That's their first anniversary. And pictured in the photo is Henry Vizsla.

And, yes, Greg, in case you're wondering, they did bring Jasper away today to celebrate their anniversary. He's there. So happy anniversary you guys from us here at "The Five".

BECKEL: Happy anniversary. But we mentioned Jasper again.

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BOLLING: You're up.

BECKEL: OK. Fifty-eight -- first of all, happy anniversary to both of you. Fifty-eight years ago today in 1955, the great actor James Dean died when his Porsche ran head on into a Ford Tudor. Dean was only 24 years old, but at that point was a hero in his roles of "East of Eden" and "Rebel Without a Cause", the very first teenage rebel that I think became as well known as he did. He needs a stamp. That's the next thing.

BOLLING: Stamp? Doesn't he have one?

BECKEL: I don't know, does he?

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BECKEL: I hope he does. If he does, great.

BOLLING: Great idea.

GUTFELD: I don't want to see my one more thing derailed against the James Dean stamp. He created the teenage sulk. Everyone had to walk around like this like I'm so disaffected because my parents won the war and now we live in this great country of immense freedom (ph), but somehow I'm unhappy because I don't have enough to do. We're going to hang out and smoke cigarettes.

By the way, go to Breitbart.com, I have a new column up. It's about how to be a rebel. This is perfect, Bob. Go there. It's about how to be a real rebel. You just give a little --

BECKEL: That's right. By the way, you celebrate five anniversaries.

GUILFOYLE: Here he goes again. Two.

BOLLING: Can I get this very quickly, pull up the full screen. While the House was working on Saturday to avoid a government shutdown, look what the Democrats. Put that screen back.

Obama found yet another reason to hit the golf course. I kid you not on Saturday. Nancy Pelosi blew off the House vote so that she can go to her 50th anniversary party. By the way, her 50th anniversary was three and a half weeks ago. And at the same time, Harry Reid went to a wedding of a same-sex marriage. One of the guys happens to run the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

I got to say, the House was trying to fix things. The Dems were up partying, playing and golfing --

BECKEL: Why hang around when these idiots --

BOLLING: We like to hear what Bob has to say, but you know what? We ran out of time. That's it for "The Five". Thanks for watching. See you tomorrow.

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