Pregnant Sudanese woman sentenced to death for apostasy

Published Friday, May 16, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Kimberly Guilfoyle , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Jedediah Bila

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 16, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Jedediah Bila.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: Well, President Obama made this pledge to our veterans during his first year in office.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And we're keeping our promise to fulfill another top priority at the V.A., cutting the red tape and inefficiencies that cause backlogs and delays in the claims process. America will not let you down. We will take of our own.

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TANTAROS: Nearly five years later, the commander in chief has a broken sacred trust with many of our veterans who are still without health care and some have even be left to die. No one has been held accountable and the administration is trying to spin its way out of what could be its biggest scandal yet.

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ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Why is he not speaking directly to the veterans and saying, this is how much it matters and we're going to fix it?

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: He has taken action, Ed. He's responded to it. He's spoken about it. I'm sure there'll be an opportunity for him to speak about it again. What he's also done is acted on and so has Secretary Shinseki.

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TANTAROS: The man grilling Jay Carney in that clip, Ed Henry, chief White House correspondent, joins us.

So, Ed, it doesn't appear that anyone has been held accountable, however today the Secretary Shinseki, he made the following statement and said that he accepted the resignation of the undersecretary for health at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Robert Petzel. But isn't it true that Dr. Petzel was going to resign anyway, so they are using him as the fall guy? But, really, no one has been held accountable?

HENRY: Well, we'll see. But, yes, you're right that Robert Petzel. So, they accepted his resignation. We find that out just minutes after the White House briefing ended. So, Jay Carney was not asked about that "resignation," quote-unquote, because -- I say quote-unquote because it turns out that last fall, the V.A announced that Robert Petzel, he's the undersecretary of health, who overseas these hospitals across the country, it turns out he had already announced he was planning to retire, because he has been caught up in other allegations last year.

So, the bottom line is he really being held accountable? Well, on the one hand, the president nominated somebody on May 1st to replace them. So, Petzel would have stayed for months on the job while the Senate works its ways. You know, the Senate can take forever on nominations. So, he would have been on the job perhaps for months or a year. Now, he's out.

So there is some accountability there. But on other hand, you got Republicans Jeff Miller who runs the House Veterans Affairs Committee saying this is not accountable, because the guy was already on the way out. Meanwhile, Shinseki is still on the job, the secretary. And the president -- the reason I was pressing Jay Carney is, the only time the president has publicly commented on these allegations dripping out over several weeks, was on April 28th in Manila, a news conference where I asked him about this scandal, to his credit, he answered, said they were going to get to the bottom of it, but hasn't said a word since. So, that's potentially a problem for him as well.

And I think the big issue here is how freaked out they are the White House about the potential for this to mushroom. I mean, compare to the Benghazi investigation where they say, well, the special committee is a joke, it's going to be a partisan witch hunt, it's an election year thing. Now, with veterans, you have not just Republicans going after it, you have Democrats saying we need answers. And we've got millions of veterans around the country wondering what's going on. That puts real political pressure here.

TANTAROS: Eric?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Ed, so does this feel like the Benghazi stuff? Does this feel like the IRS stuff? Does this fee like the NSA stuff?

It's almost every time something comes up, the administration says, boy, you know, we're going to get to the bottom of that, the buck stops here with us. As soon as we get the bottom and we'll let you know, and then it blows over and some guy says, hey, dude, that was two years by the time we find out what's actually going on and in fact what we find out some of this stuff that's been going has been covered up.

HENRY: Well, you're making a point that Republican Eric Cantor, the House majority leader, is tying to make yesterday, put out a tough statement and said, look, he thinks there's a pattern here that where something pops up, you name the scandal, or the issue, the controversy, however you want to phrase it, and the cabinet secretary takes the heat. If it's Kathleen Sebelius on health care, if it's Eric Shinseki on Veterans Affairs, and as I say, the president doesn't comment on it for a few weeks, other than that April 28 news conference.

So it appears that the heat is on these cabinet secretaries or under secretaries and let me give you one new nugget of information, which is that -- I just went to the V.A. Web site to find out who did the president nominate to replace Robert Petzel. It turns out it's Dr. Jeffrey Murawsky. You can find this one the Web.

On the V.A. Web site, he's listed as a doctor at the Edward Hines Jr. V.A. Hospital in Hines, Illinois. Why is that significant? Earlier this week, CBS News revealed that the Hines V.A. Medical Center has secret waiting lists, more than one, and that people not getting care, veterans not getting care, was being hidden. Well, it turns out that the president's nominee, I'm not saying he had anything to do with those secret waiting lists, it's under investigation, but the man that the president nominated to take over for Robert Petzel -- he works, apparently, according to V.A., at the hospital that is under investigation right now.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hi, Ed. It's Kimberly.

Listen, there's a lot of outrage over this because people are very dissatisfied with the White House's response. It's more like smoke and mirrors at the fun house at veterans expense and now, total disrespect with what appears this new nomination because this is another hospital that's basically burning down like Rome and that's who you are going to put in charge.

How is that sending a message to the veterans that they are taking this issue seriously? Death lists, where essentially people are serving the country and you just put them on a wait list to die. It's like euthanasia of veterans.

HENRY: That's going to be a question for the White House. There's going more hearings than the one we just saw yesterday.

I've got to say, in fairness, Jeffrey Murawsky could be a great doctor. Maybe he's somebody who can turn this around.

But, you're right, the fact that the V.A. lists him as somebody who works at a hospital under investigation, is going to be yet another complication for this White House. So, in terms of getting to the bottom of it -- look, Jay Carney will push back on what you just said by saying what he said at the briefing a few moments ago, which is that the president takes this seriously enough that he took one of his top aides here at the White House, Rob Nabors, and moved him across the street, across Lafayette Park, to the V.A., just about 24, 48 hours ago, and said figure out what went wrong and let's fix it.

Now, obviously, the clock is ticking. You can't just keep kicking the can down the road and give it another three months, six months. They are going to have to find some answers soon. Otherwise, as you suggest, the pressure is going to get hot.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Ed, this is Beckel. I don't want to tell you how to do your job, but just out of curiosity, did you mention when you asked your questions, that there were 2 million veterans coming off of two wars, one of which was illegal, that have overwhelmed V.A., one.

Two, did you mention that this has been an issue well before Obama was ever heard. It goes back to the Eisenhower administration, people have complained about the V.A.

And three, did anybody mention the fact that V.A. -- veterans are angry, they send in letters, constituent letters. John McCain who is screaming outrage on this, if I will bet you anything that in his files, in his office, in Arizona, there are veterans complaining about what happened in that V.A. hospital and all of a sudden everybody is concerned when everybody fully well knew this was -- and every member of the House and Senate can protect these V.A. hospitals.

So, there you go. Those were the questions I would have asked if I were there, but that's your business.

HENRY: Well, you raise a fair point. We should point out that the V.A. has been a bureaucracy, a massive bureaucracy that's been under fire for a long time. I don't know if it's all the way back to Eisenhower administration. But, certainly, the Bush administration grappled with this and they have to answer for why they didn't fix it either.

In terms of Iraq and Afghanistan, Jay Carney has made that point at the podium, and it bears repeating. There were two wars started in the Bush administration, that certainly swelled the ranks and the logs of veterans who need benefits and we got to take care of the men and women who serve for us. And so, you got to follow-up on that.

But you right, that happened in the Bush administration, but I got news for you, we're now, it's five, six years later, and I'm teasing you about it but President Obama is now in office, and you play that bite from 2009, and he said regardless of what happened before, he's going to make sure these veterans have their benefits.

Now, yes, there were problems before he took office, but he's the commander-in-chief now. It's at his desk and he's got to figure it out.

BECKEL: I accept that, but the number of people who were not getting benefits is now down appreciably since he took office.

Hey, Ed, wasn't there some foreshadowing, though, on how this administration feels about veterans? You remember the sequester when they put out the barricades literally. I mean, Charles Krauthammer said, it seems like you're stonewalling the veterans. You can't do that. They tried to put up a wall to keep the veterans during the sequester out of the World War II memorial which to me triggered a little bit disrespect.

I wanted you to react to this clip from Jake Tapper, who actually asked the White House chief of staff, Denis McDonough, how many veterans have to die before this administration wakes up?

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN: How many stories like this, how many letters like this, how many dead veterans do you need before somebody asks the question within the White House, maybe this guy isn't the best steward of these veterans?

DENIS MCDONOUGH, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: The question, Jake, is, are we doing everything we can every day to get the veterans the care and the opportunities that they deserved.

TAPPER: But they're not. This letter -- this letter was sent a year ago and you guys ignored it.

MCDONOUGH: And we -- and we have been working aggressively to ensure that not only is health care expanded, opportunities made more ready to our vets, but that people are held to account as Ric is doing in this case. We will continue to that.

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TANTAROS: They were warned, Ed. Multiple letters. It does remind me a little of Benghazi, with the request for more security.

BECKEL: Oh, come on!

TANTAROS: It's not that this was a surprise. It's government-run health care. And there were plenty of warnings and they ignored them.

BECKEL: That guy, Tapper, get out of journalism school?

HENRY: This is a different story than Benghazi, but, look, Jake Tapper is an outstanding journalist, I think he asked some very tough and fair questions that the White House chief of staff answered but had a difficult time answering, which is, you know, the president on down, they keep saying we care about veterans, we're going to take care of this. Jake was pointing to a letter from year ago from Republican Jeff Miller, the House Veterans Affairs chairman, who says he foreshadowed, he hinted at some of these problems.

I'm not sure he -- that we can't really say there was a crystal ball saying Mr. President, 40 people are going to Phoenix, that's not fair to the president. But there were warnings and Jeff Miller said he never got a letter back from the president.

Here's the bottom line when you ask how they treat about veterans here in the White House -- what I know about Eric Shinseki that should be pointed out every time we talked about him, is he was wounded. He was an army general who was wounded in combat. And so, yes, I think he understands the difficulties men and women in uniform face. That should be said.

But nonetheless, even though he has that, you still have to be a strong manager. You have to figure out how to get this bureaucracy to work and if you can't do that and the benefits don't get to the veterans, you can't just say because he is a war hero, he gets a pass. He has to be held accountable, just like any Democrat, Republican on the Hill and the White House, who's in power, end of story.

JEDEDIAH BILA, CO-HOST: Ed, how much longer do you think the president can get away with not giving a serious comment about this? Without facing backlash from the entire public, Democrats, Republicans.

I don't think this is a partisan issue. I think this is an issue where the country is united. How much longer can he get away with that?

HENRY: Well, look, I think he'll a news conference at some point in the next few weeks. He typically does that every few months. He had I think the last one was April 28th, as I mentioned. And so, I would expect he's going to face questions on this.

You could even see possibly an interview at some point in the next couple of weeks where they pick some outlet, whether it'd be, you know, military, newspaper, something to say we got to get out of there. I do think he missed a bit of an opportunity on Tuesday, to your question. He had a Medal of Honor ceremony here at the White House.

And, in fairness, the president generally said we've got a commitment to veterans, we're going to keep it up. He pointed that out, but he did not directly address the V.A. scandal. Maybe it wasn't the right place, but with a roomful of veterans at a Medal of Honor ceremony, maybe that was an opportunity right here at the White House this week to say, by the way, veterans here, you are hearing about these awful allegations, I'm going to figure out. He didn't say that this week. But I bet given this pressure, he's going to say that pretty soon.

TANTAROS: Yes, he did miss a pretty good opportunity. But we know he's commented on much less, right, the sexuality of NBA players, and ESPN brackets. So, I guess it's not that important.

Ed, thank you so much. We'll keep on the story.

HENRY: Good to see you.

TANTAROS: All right. Lots more to come on "The Five," including our Facebook free-for-all. It's back. So, send in your questions now to Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC.

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BECKEL: The war against Christianity is escalating in the Muslim world. We must keep shining a spotlight on it, because nobody else seems to want to.

Sudan has just sentenced a woman to death who is eight months pregnant, you big strong boys. Twenty-six-year-old Mariam Ibrahim's crime is that she married a Christian and has refused to renounce her Christian faith. She will reportedly be hung sometime after she's given birth.

Here's John Bolton on these despicable intolerance from punks.

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JOHN BOLTON, FORMER AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: It is indicative of this wave of radical Islamism that we're seeing all across North Africa and the Middle East. It's one more indication of what a serious problem it is and why the United States and others need to take a more comprehensive view. These are not isolated incidents. What happens in Sudan, what happens in Libya, what happens in Nigeria, this is part of a larger pattern and so far, we haven't heard the president speak to it.

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BECKEL: You know, these infidels over there who do this, Eric, the - - I'm going to turn it around on you, you call us infidels. You guys are out of the Stone Age. But if you have Sharia law, and you govern by Sharia law in a country that runs absolutely counter to human rights conventions they've signed, run against everything we believe in as a country, why don't we break diplomatic relations with these people?

BOLLING: I think you could. I think it's a good idea. I'm all for that, by the way, my new found libertarianism. I think we could break diplomatic ties for anyone that would think that Sharia law would supersede international laws, especially. But this woman is -- was apostasy, and adultery, and they're going to give her -- her penalty was death by hanging and 100 lashes. Hopefully, the lashes come after the death by hanging.

These people are animals. And for anyone to say that Sharia law now should be instituted, like the sultan of Brunei is trying to put Sharia law into that country, you are right, Bob, cut off ties with them. I don't know if you can cut off trade with them, because Saudis -- there's some that -- there's a big portion of the Saudi people that would like to see Sharia law and it would be tough to cut off oil trade --

BECKEL: They actually live under Sharia law, the Saudis. And we won't cut off because of their oil. That's another reason I'm for the pipeline, by the way. Cut them off. Cut them off completely.

Andrea, is this -- you know, it seems that in the last couple of weeks, people have finally begun to recognize what is happening there with the 250 or 275 girls who were kidnapped in Nigeria and now this situation. This has been going on a long time and no one has paid attention to it.

TANTAROS: Hundreds and hundreds of years, they have been killing not just men and not just women, for a lot less than marrying a Christian, too. Remember, she committed the worse crime of all, the Muslim who turns on the Muslim faith. That's far worse than the infidel. But they have killed women and maimed women and beaten women over going out in public without having the accompaniment of a family member. They have killed women for driving in some Muslim countries.

You mention the Saudis, the Saudis have spent hundreds of millions of dollars funding Wahhabism which is incredibly anti-West. And yet, even though, Bob, I think when the first lady holds up the hashtag, she does bring awareness to the issue, but no one explains what it is. No one understands why. They don't get the history of Islam. We don't teach it in the schools.

We understand that radical Islam has been here for hundreds and hundreds of years. They have been murdering people. This isn't a new thing. And it's not going away anytime soon.

So, simple signs and hashtags and just bring back our girls isn't enough.

BECKEL: Jedediah, let me just ask Jedediah one question here. This incident, I mean, I would bet most people did not know that you could be put to death by hanging if you said you were Christian and not Islamic. You revoked your Islamic faith.

Maybe we're learning something from this, I mean, a tragic way to learn it, but maybe people will realize we're talking about a bunch of infidels, Stone Age people.

BILA: I agree with you, though. I think we have to do more than condemn it. I think part of it is educating people and running segments like this and having people sit home and watch and understand the severity of what's going on.

Look, though, I think ties should be cut. We're a country that stands for freedom. Everything that we stand for stands against this. We stand for freedom of religion. You can marry whoever you want, individual liberty. That goes in direct contradiction to what's happening here.

So, I think we have a responsibility to not just say we condemn this, but to put some action behind it. So, yes, you bet, I would say cut ties.

BECKEL: Let me ask you, Kimberly, they have signed -- Sudan has signed conventions -- international conventions on human rights which specifically says this kind of thing should not happen. Now, it is true in their law, it says this should happen.

But how you sign an international convention and not be bound to it?

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's the problem. So, they are in violation in that, which is why it would be very helpful to bring a lot of attention to the situation. Her husband to no avail has begged the State Department, the United States, to get involved and they have chosen to not do so.

What is the message here? I thought they were talking about let's not have a war against women. Well, there is an international war against women to the point where this woman is going to be lashed 100 times and then she's going to be hanged.

How is this OK? Why aren't people outraged? And the crime of which they are accusing her -- by the way, does anyone care that she's not guilty of those crimes? This is a legal marriage to a Christian man. She is Christian. They can prove in fact she was never Muslim. It's not like a conversion.

But they are going to be graceful and wait until they are child is two years before they execute her.

BECKEL: In fairness to CAIR, they have spoken about this.

BOLLING: OK. But --

GUILFOYLE: They haven't done anything about it.

BOLLING: Would you suggest cutting off all aid to Sudan and other countries?

BECKEL: Absolutely.

BOLLING: All the countries. Because I'm going to remind you of this when you tell us that we should be continuing aid to certain countries and I'm going to remind you, well, if Sharia law in that country --

BECKEL: Let me make it clear, if Sharia law dominates that country's legal system, that it is something that we simply cannot abide and we should not participate in.

BOLLING: No way.

BECKEL: No way.

TANTAROS: Yes, but our president believes we have a shared history of tolerance with Islam.

BECKEL: Well, if I've seen some tolerance of Islam, I haven't seen it anywhere soon. You've posted your burning questions for the five of us on Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC. You've also tweeted, not twitted, tweeted them to us at our new Twitter handle, @TheFive, next. We're going to answer them. So, stick around.

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BOLLING: Back by popular demand, it's Facebook Friday. But we've got a twist this time. It's Twitter Friday also. We asked you to send in your questions for us to our new Twitter handle, @TheFive, as well as Facebook page. Let's get started.

First question, I haven't seen this yet. First question goes to you, Bob, from Facebook.

Mary W. says, "Bob, how did you enjoy being on outnumbered today?"

BECKEL: It was actually a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. They are good, they're gracious, they're smart, they're beautiful, and being a thorn in the midst of four roses is a nice thing to be.

I think I shocked a few people with my obvious -- what I call honesty, some people call it stupidity. But no, I like it. I think it's a good show. It's going to go a long way. It's going to go a long time.

BOLLING: Cool. You did a good job.

Also for Bob from Facebook, Deborah P. asks, "Bob, you said your New Year's resolution was to get healthy? Are you?"

BECKEL: Not Debbie, as much I should be. I had a lot a little problem. I was working out, they worked out first, that FOX gave me, and I ripped a muscle on my leg, so I've within side lined for a little bit. But I'm back it. And, by the way, I'm drinking fruit -- vegetable -- all pure vegetables in juicers.

BOLLING: Making your shirts look yellow.

BECKEL: Yes.

BILA: Nice.

BOLLING: Andrea, Facebook, Libby says, "Andrea, what is something you do every day that you can't live without?"

GUILFOYLE: I can answer that for her.

TANTAROS: Why does your mind always go to the gutter?

GUILFOOYLE: Because it lives there.

BOLLING: He's talking to Bob, right?

TANTAROS: Yes.

BOLLING: Let's clarify that.

TANTAROS: The gym.

BOLLING: OK.

TANTAROS: The gym.

BOLLING: What's your favorite exercise at the gym?

TANTAROS: The treadmill.

BOLLING: All right. How about this one, Ands? Also from Facebook, Dick R. asks, "Andrea, do you have any ambitions to run for public office? I think you would serve the people justly."

TANTAROS: No, I think I would probably end up strangling somebody if I ran for office. I think I'm better right here. I don't know if I would pass the vetting process either.

BOLLING: You certainly would not.

GUILFOYLE: You don't know.

BECKEL: What do you mean I don't know? I know one thing, you wouldn't pass it again.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, right, if I wanted to.

BOLLING: All right. Kimberly, Twitter, Peggy asks, "What was Kim's first job?"

GUILFOYLE: OK, it might have been the job -- I'm trying to think -- I know, it was when I was manager of the delicatessen because of my love of salami, I thought it would be a perfect job. And I told Mr. Kim at the village deli that I would be perfect for it. And I said I used to make a lot of sandwiches.

BOLLING: What did you do? You slice the salami?

GUILFOYLE: I actually got to take home a bunch of free salami and so, it was the best job ever, and he also paid me.

BOLLING: Facebook also, to Kimberly, Theresa asks, "Kimberly, we always watch you dancing to the music before commercials. What's your favorite type of music?"

GUILFOYLE: OK, well, I like what do you call it, pop music. I like music like that. Dance music, anything that I can move to, but that kind of cuts across the board. I like to practice my dancing so I can be recession proof. There I am. That's my exercise.

BECKEL: That's why you keep a pole at your house.

BOLLING: You like a wide range.

GUILFOYLE: I like a wide range. I like Elvis. I like U-2. Come on.

BOLLING: This show is very trendy into music, right, Andrea?

TANTAROS: People don't know that we pick our own music bumping in and out of our segments.

BECKEL: I don't.

BOLLING: I'll be in a restaurant or bar and hear a song and Shazam it and try to get it on the show.

GUILFOYLE: A pole? No, I don't have a pole. What's wrong with you.

BECKEL: Sorry.

BOLLING: Via Twitter asks, GSG asks, "What's the genesis of Jedediah's name?"

BILA: Well, it is biblical, but my mom, if you were watching "Outnumbered" the other day, you know, my mom got it from "Barnaby Jones." It was an old TV series. It's a man's name. It's also biblical.

BOLLING: And Jeda, you're 100 percent Italian?

BILA: A hundred percent Italian. I am.

BECKEL: You are?

BILA: Yes.

BOLLING: Did mom give you any advice about men?

BILA: Yes. Stay away from Italian men. They're all nuts.

BOLLING: I did hear that. Jedediah, Facebook, William M. asks, "Jedediah, when you were a teacher, what grade did you teach, and what did you enjoy most and like least about teaching?"

BILA: I taught middle school, seventh grade, straight through college. So what I liked is that kids keep your priorities straight. You know, they remind you what's important. They keep you laughing. And what I liked the least were disciplining high school boys. That was a challenge.

BOLLING: What happens?

BILA: Well, I was a dean, you know. They come into your office. They put up a little bit of a shy and they get shy. But, you know, high school boys are bad boys. You've got a challenge.

BOLLING: Did you ever get hit on by a high school boy?

BILA: Yes, absolutely.

BOLLING: What happened?

BILA: In fact I used to tutor a kid that got a little inappropriate, and I had to talk to his mom. Yes. Not fun.

BOLLING: This is for Eric from Twitter. Who is this, tttiggertwo? "Eric, did you hear about Snapchat? Pictures don't just go away!"

BOLLING: I did hear that. And I know that nothing ever goes away. They will tell you that, but nothing ever goes away. I love Snapchat.

By the way, if Snapchat again -- I'm going to ask this one more time. Please, can you get a Snapchat all? I've said this. I have 7 or 8,000 followers. You hit the button, 7,000 times. You put a picture up, and you can draw little things on it. You can send it out.

GUILFOYLE: Could you imagine if he starts doing it?

BOLLING: All right. How about Facebook. J.W. Vaughn asks Eric, "Do you and Bob get into those heated discussions while you're all just hanging out?"

OK. So before the show every day, Bob sits out in front. He smokes a cigar. He sits in a chair, gets a crowd around him. Inevitably someone will say something to Bob, fire him up, and he and I will get into the heated discussion. Even last night, someone says, "Does Bob really believe all the stuff he says?"

I said, "He absolutely does."

"But you guys get along?"

I say, "Yes, we get along great."

BECKEL: We do and you saved my life. So there you go.

BOLLING: How many people have said, "Next time he's choking on a shrimp walk the other way."

BECKEL: Walk the other way, yes.

BOLLING: This one's for everyone from Twitter. Mike Shippey asks, "I'd like to know who or what inspires each of you and what you're all most thankful for."

Oh, OK, K.G. Let's take it around the table. Who inspires you? What are you more thankful for?

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, I'm most thankful for my family, for my mother, and my father, because even though they're no longer with me, they are an inspiration to me every day, because I feel like I've been blessed with so much that I want to give it back.

BOLLING: Bobby.

BECKEL: What inspires me is the continuing to fight for equality in America. It always been a driving point in my life. And what I'm most grateful for is that I'm a citizen of this great country.

BOLLING: And.

TANTAROS: Inspires me? I would say probably my faith, and secondly, my father and his example, which is very inspirational but also pretty demanding. And I'm most thankful for my family, period, end of story. We're very close-knit, and I don't know what I would do without my mom and my siblings.

BOLLING: Very good. Very good. Jedediah, what inspires and makes you thankful?

BILA: Inspires me would be my best friend, Michael, who is the best man I know. He makes me a better person ever single day. And most thankful for my parents, who put up with me. And I'm a crazy Italian, too. So...

BECKEL: Is Michael your boyfriend?

BILA: He was at one time. Now he's my best friend. Who knows?

TANTAROS: I saw a picture of your father on Twitter. Your father is very handsome.

BILA: He is.

BOLLING: And he's an Italian man.

BILA: He's a Sicilian man. You know how they roll.

BOLLING: Very quickly, I'm thankful for my family, clearly. Thankful for my faith, obviously. And inspires me, my mom again, on her last -- on her death bed, her last two words in the world whispered in my year, "Never quit." And I believe that and I will always, always remember that. So we're going to leave right there.

We're good? Good place for a Friday? @thefive, don't forget, on Twitter. Next up -- we want a million, by the way. After 53 years, Barbara Walters is off the air. She got a big send-off today on her final day on "The View." We'll show you that and her sign off. That's coming up.

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GUILFOYLE: Today, TV legend Barbara waters ended her remarkable career in television, one that has spanned more than half a century. And on her final day on The View, she got a special send-off from some surprise guests. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BARBARA WALTERS, RETIRING FROM ABC: You look terrific here. Why don't you just take my place on the show?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oprah Winfrey!

OPRAH WINFREY, FOUNDER, O NETWORK: I want to thank you for being a pioneer, the first in the room to knock down the door, to break down the barriers, to pave the road that we all walk on.

Please welcome, Diane Sawyer. Robin Roberts, Lara Spencer, Katie Couric, Savannah Guthrie.

WALTERS: This is my legacy. These are my legacy, and I thank you all.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GUILFOYLE: Well, it wasn't easy for Barbara to say good-bye, as you can imagine, so she said this instead.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: From the bottom of my heart to all of you with whom I have worked and to all of you who have watched and been at my side for so many years, I can say thank you, thank you, but then who knows what the future brings? Maybe instead of good-bye, I should say "a bientot," which in French means "see you later." So a bientot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: So charming. It was an incredible send-off. I mean, it was really exciting, because you were waiting to see who was going to walk out next. A fitting tribute, Andrea, for a woman of remarkable accomplishments. She was here at FOX to do an interview with Bill O'Reilly. We'll show a little bit of that later. It will be airing tonight. And everybody was clamoring around her just to say hello and tell her what an inspiration she's been.

TANTAROS: You know, it's such a competitive business in television, especially among females, so to have that many women in the room, thanking Barbara Walters, and her saying that all these women are her legacy I think speaks to what kind of woman she is. She's a woman's woman. And if she wasn't, she wouldn't have that room full of girls standing behind her.

So I think that -- that's really cool. And then I guess she's going to be on with O'Reilly tonight and the interview, I saw a clip. It was really good.

GUILFOYLE: Speaking of which, let's take a look at that clip. You're going with O'Reilly a very close relationship. So I think it's going to be nice. A good interview. Do we have that?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Is there a war in women in America? You're one of the top women.

WALTERS: I don't think so.

O'REILLY: OK. No war on women.

WALTERS: I don't think so. And somebody asked me recently was I a feminist, and I thought it's an old-fashioned word now, feminist, because with rare exceptions, women can do -- and do do -- whatever the men do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Oprah had mentioned that Barbara Walters has been such an inspiration and she's broken down the doors for so many women at this table, including, Bill O'Reilly has always enjoyed a great relationship with Barbara Walters and on "The View." It's good to have mutual journalistic respect.

BOLLING: Sure. I learned a couple of things today that I didn't know about Barbara Walters.

No. 1, Michael Douglas tells us that she -- her dinner parties are amazing. Everyone sits around the table. Barbara kind of leads it, and there's a run-down of topics that are on a sheet of paper next to her. And she literally goes down like a show run down...

TANTAROS: Like "The Five."

BOLLING: Like "The Five." Right. So that was interesting to me.

And also this morning, I learned that Geraldo had a crush on her and tried to sleep with her in Panama. I was like, wow, that was interesting!

BILA: I didn't know that either.

BOLLING: He said it. I'm not making this up. This is her life. Her life is in front of the camera. I will be willing to bet she'll be spending a lot more time in front of the camera.

BILA: You know, what I love about her is that she's gutsy and she's tough, but she also has a lot of heart. And I think that's something that's a balance that's really hard to strike sometimes when you're interviewing somebody.

And she's interviewed politicians and world leaders. That's such a challenge to still remind people, you know, "I'm a person and I understand you have emotions, and I understand you're still human. And here's a tough question for you."

And I think, for many of us, I think she taught us how to do that, how to bring a little bit of that, at least for me, to my work every single day. So I'm incredibly grateful to her for that.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, great questions. And imagine the stamina, what she has seen. The world events, the incredible leaders that she has interviewed. News makers, always a big interview would be to sit down with Barbara Walters.

So she's going to be missed, but I don't think -- don't count her out, because she still seems to have a lot left to give back.

And Bob, you're also a fan of hers?

BECKEL: I am. A little cough.

You know, she's done as much for feminism as anybody I can think of. The face of it. I mean, she's -- I liked what Oprah Winfrey said, you know. She opened up doors and lots of people followed in behind her. And, you know, there are a lot of people who will always be standing on her shoulders. And I think that's something to be very proud of.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, we look forward to more things from Barbara Walters and some great interviews ahead. And you should check out her book.

Still ahead, was an NBA coach just fired because he's outspoken about his Christian faith? We're going to get down to the bottom of that next on "The Five." You don't want to miss it. And I might resuscitate Bob.

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BILA: It appears it's not just Christians abroad who are under attack. Former Golden State Warriors head coach Mark Jackson was fired last week. A new report claims one issue that led to his dismissal was his open display of his Christianity.

We reached out to Jackson's rep for comment. She passed.

The owner of the Warriors, Joe Lacob, disputes the report.

All right, Andrea, now Mark Jackson was a very openly religious person. He would go back to his L.A.-based church to preach. He was a strong supporter of traditional marriage. In fact, when Jason Collins came out as gay, he made the comment that he was going to pray for him, you know, among a larger comment. That still rubbed some people the wrong way. Do you think his religion could have had something to do with why he was let go?

TANTAROS: I think the fact that his spokesman wouldn't comment on it tell us all we need to know. Because if it wasn't, she would have said, "Absolutely not."

He's also given interviews, and he said, "Look, I didn't go around beating people over the head with a Bible." So he does seem a bit defensive over that.

Is it the only thing? Perhaps not. I mean, he was a pastor when he was hired.

However, I do think there could have been other issues. He was public fights with the owner, Joe Lacob. The president is also openly gay, so I do think the Jason Collins thing probably upset Rick Welts, the team president.

But I'm sure it did have a factor in it because of the way that he's reacting. He does seem defensive about his religion.

BILA: Now, Kimberly, if religion was a part of this, A, where is the ACLU; and, B, does he have a legal leg to stand on? Could he sue?

GUILFOYLE: He could, if he has some specific statements or instances to back it up. Right now all we have, right, at this point is just speculation. That's not going to be enough.

I mean, the fact that he was a devout Christian, unless they can tie it in, he was purposely fired. And I will tell you, from a contractual standpoint, there's plenty other clauses in his contract that they can use to terminate him.

But keep in mind he was very popular with the players, OK, and with the immediate staff of the team. Not with the owner. They clashed. And the Warriors are coming off two of the most successful seasons that they've had. So one, he's going to get picked up by someone else, and maybe he doesn't want to sue and be the guy that, you know, is the trouble maker. Or he could go on to have a career in broadcasting in sports. So he's probably going to weigh his options. Zero-sum game, I think, if he's going to try and go forward with a lawsuit, to be honest.

BILA: Now Bob, some are saying that race had something do with it. That this was an race issue, because he's an African-American. And African-American coaches have a harder time. Because there was a solid record behind him. Do you think that holds any weight.

BECKEL: No. I just want to tell our viewers, box 3-1-8 in the Preakness.

BOLLING: You told me 1-3-8.

BECKEL: One-three-eight it doesn't matter. You win no matter what order they come in.

TANTAROS: Focus, Bob. Focus.

BECKEL: I don't think -- I don't think it's a race issue at all. I think most likely, most likely, it is a question of -- because Kimberly pointed out, this team is doing pretty well. The players like him. You give me a team that's doing very well, and the players like him and they get rid of the coach, it seems to me that his religion and the fact that he's got this gay ownership is probably a clash that is very difficult to overcome.

BILA: Eric, you're a sports guy. What's your take on this?

BOLLING: Christian guy. I disagree with you. Mark Jackson had 51 wins. Great season. Kimberly points out it's a program that's on the mend, doing great, but the owner and the general manager both pointed out that they think that Mark Jackson lost the confidence of the team. That's important.

Also, George Karl won 57 games in a season and was fired, was let go. Vinny Del Negro won 56 games in a season. So substantially 10 percent more wins. and they were also let go.

I think when you lose the confidence of not only management and maybe some of the players, it's time to go. By the way, Steve Kerr was going to take the job. Great replacement. I mean, everyone -- everyone is...

BILA: No coaching experience. Am I correct? No coaching.

BOLLING: The thing about Steve Kerr, he came off the bench with the Bulls in their heyday, six-man, just throwing threes in there like crazy. He has the respect. He's a great announcer. He has the respect of every player on the court. I think that's a good call.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe -- maybe he ought to put the jersey back on then.

BOLLING: What?

TANTAROS: The players were very supportive of his religious beliefs.

BECKEL: That's right, yes. I don't see...

GUILFOYLE: The players liked him.

BECKEL: I think it's very hard to -- knowing the conflict between the very religious fundamentalists and the gay community, I think this plays a role in it. You can say it doesn't, but I think it does.

BOLLING: Let's put it: I hope it didn't.

BILA: I hope it didn't, as well.

BECKEL: I hope it didn't either, but I do think it did.

BILA: I hope it didn't, and it remains to be seen how Steve Kerr does. All right, guys. "One More Thing" is coming up next.

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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." K.G., kick it off.

GUILFOYLE: Andrea, thank you.

So today, we want to take a moment to honor a real American hero. And you've probably been hearing a bit about him today in the news, because he is the one of the people that rescued prisoner of war Jessica Lynch from an Iraqi hospital in 2003.

And this man was shot in Afghanistan, the Department of Defense announced. Sergeant Major Martin Barreras. And what you might not know is that he served five years as a Marine and then went on to serve 22 years faithfully in this country as an Army Ranger. He was shot by a sniper in Afghanistan, returned to Texas, and died from his injuries. God bless him. A real American hero. Take a moment to say a prayer of thanks for him and for his family. Forty-nine years of age.

TANTAROS: So sad. Bob.

BECKEL: Tomorrow marks the 60th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, the landmark decision on the Kansas school system that finally did away with segregation in the classroom. There was still some segregation in the classrooms, but it was a major, major victory.

The -- it was -- the NAACP had an awful lot to do with that, and I think it was something that really blazed the trial for the civil rights moment.

And one other thing I want to say. I don't want to put two things in, but yesterday, I got some heat for using the word "broads." OK, I'm going to try not to do it, but I keep using it, because I learned it as a kid (ph). So I'm just going to say "chicks" from here on.

TANTAROS: Chicks, man.

BILA: Is that any better?

GUILFOYLE: An improvement?

BECKEL: Or "babes."

GUILFOYLE: Ai, yi.

TANTAROS: Oh, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Someone got beyond (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- Eric.

BOLLING: Oh, brother. You know that show at 11:30 tomorrow morning, "Cashin' In"? It's going to be a good one tomorrow. We're talking about the 36,000 criminals that the Obama ICE administration let go, that big, massive jail break. We're also going to talk about the food industry asking for 100 percent hike in their minimum wage -- minimum wages.

By the way, that show has trended 16 weeks in a row. Can we make it 17? And DVR it.

BECKEL: Can I contribute to Jonathan's getting his ear's plastic surgery done?

BOLLING: Um-hmm. If you want.

TANTAROS: Oh, boy. Jedediah.

BILA: Yes. Well, the White House will be holding a talent show for kids next week. It's going to be hosted by Michelle Obama. Celebrities are going to be there. Sarah Jessica Parker, and many others.

And it's students from across the country are basically going to show their talents. It's to highlight the Turnaround Arts Program, which is a program for low-performing schools, students in low-performing schools can go and helps them to get engaged in the arts.

I think it's a great idea. I think kids get to feel like stars for a day, performing for celebrities. I think it's awesome. Well done, Michelle Obama. Wish I could go.

TANTAROS: OK. So this story is bizarre but unsurprising. So the University of Saint Thomas in Minnesota decided to have what they call Hump Day, to have a petting zoo atmosphere for college kids, as if they need help petting each other. They do plenty of that on their own.

Anyway, students protested, because they said that having a camel on campus could be offensive to Middle Eastern students and some other students that...

BECKEL: Yes.

TANTAROS: ... an effect on the carbon footprint. Isn't that crazy?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it is crazy.

Bob can't really handle this one.

BILA: He's trying so hard, though.

BECKEL: Trying to let it go.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: ... the back of a camel, you're better off.

TANTAROS: I shouldn't have even said "Hump Day." Anyway.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here Monday, everybody.

GUILFOYLE: What, Bob?

TANTAROS: Have a great weekend.

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