Is America any safer from terrorism after Boston bombings?

Published Tuesday, April 15, 2014 / The Five
With Greg Gutfeld , Bob Beckel , Andrea Tantaros , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 15, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she uses a candy land board as a jogging track -- it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."

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GUTFELD: Yay, it's Tax Day! Or for 70 million households -- Tuesday. Because for them, they pay no federal income tax so they are left wondering why everyone is at the post office sweating through their shirts.

I don't blame them. I envy them. A tax form to them is like a coupon for Head and Shoulders if you're bald.

This is how dependence works. Big government is grand if you don't feel its hand.

Not that I don't love taxes. Without them, how would people like Harry Reid thrive? Useless and productive society hucksters rely on us as their welfare. Reid and his ilk look at America and see millions of wallets and purses ready to be picked to perpetuate their power.

See, my theory of government is really simple -- it's all about the street. Government should keep things off the street -- thugs, the insane, invading armies -- and keep things on the street like cement and lamp posts. Everything else we can handle.

Which is why I'm bummed that 110 days of my salary goes directly into the mouth of a blob that turns my efforts into useful poop.

So today the IRS chuckles. And they can laugh, because as they target conservative groups while billions of taxes go unpaid by federal employees, it's you who has to worry. The cost of ticking them off? Jail time. That's April 15th for you.

It's not about filing, but force. Not taxes, but axes. And once that ax becomes untethered from reason or fairness, it's you who feels the blade.

That was a shout-out to Wesley Snipes.

Bob, went to jail over taxes and I had to explain it which makes it not worth it. Bob, the president has proposed 442 tax increases. I don't think that's enough.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I'm sure you don't think it's enough. Let's take -- be honest here about this, if you take Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, which are three entitlements that I think generally have massive amount of support in the country and you put defense in and you put the interest of the national debt, about 90-some percent of the tax in this country are --

GUTFELD: Right.

BECKEL: -- necessary. You have to do it.

So, you're arguing a very small percentage of it. And the biggest tax -- the people with the biggest tax deductions in the country are corporations.

GUTFELD: All right. But the thing is you called Social Security an entitlement, which it's not. It's not an entitlement.

BECKEL: Well, that's the way the government lists it.

GUTFELD: Yes, but I don't list it that way, because that's my money that they are taking and flushing down the toilet when it could be invested into some accounts of some kind.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: It probably won't be there for you either, when you're eligible.

GUTFELD: No, it won't. In fact, I would like -- I would give up my Social Security right now even after paying all that, and say that will be my tax, how's that?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Call it even?

BOLLING: Call it even because I know I'm not going to see.

Eric, we talked about this. We talked about it before. Isn't there a better way or a more fair way to deal with taxes?

BOLLING: Yes, the last line in your monologue is a fair way. And the fair tax -- and I've said this before, I love the fair tax, people come out of the woodwork and say, what's wrong with you? But the fair tax for me is the one that's most fair that would make the most sense. You eliminate the IRS completely. There's no federal income tax whatsoever.

It's a 23 percent or so consumption tax. You pay it whether you are a businessman, talk show host or a pimp on the street. Everyone pays.

You pay 22 percent. But you don't have an IRS. And also, you keep your full paycheck.

And the other thing is, it gets government, it takes the power away from government. It takes that force, that axe you are talking about and takes it out of their hands. It untethers from the government.

You don't want a product, don't buy it. You don't pay tax.

GUTFELD: I love that.

BECKEL: Does 23 percent include everybody, including people who are poor?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: No, there's a way that you can give a credit if you're low income --

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BOLLING: It's a prebate. So, if you are lower income or in poverty, you are actually paid for a reasonable amount of expenses, taxes that you would pay on products to stay alive, you know, food, energy, and those things.

TANTAROS: The problem with that is it takes the blade squarely out of the hands of the government and puts it into lobbyists who then lobby the government for their own special carve-outs, for their own special industries and turns the U.S. tax code which is basically what we have now, which is the Swiss cheese.

They tried this in New York. I'm more of a flat tax person myself.

Simpson-Bowles, they also were in favor of three brackets. I didn't love the brackets. But it was the good area to start.

The problem I don't like is what happened in New York with the fair tax, lobbyists got their way. And then you had taxes on large marshmallows, but not small marshmallows. Certain beverages like Yoo-hoo, but not all chocolate milk.

That's the problem now, is that it's too unfair and it's not simple enough. So, that's why I'm for more for the flat tax.

BOLLING: Can I defend fair tax a little bit? The true -- if you go to fairtax.org, there aren't different levels. You buy a product, you consumer product, you pay 23 percent.

TANTAROS: But that's in a perfect world. We live in a world where government is corrupt and lobbyists get their way. We saw this with ObamaCare bill. Certain lobbyists get to government and they get their own special carve-outs and the people, who deserve it the most, like say the middle class, aren't really getting necessarily a fair tax. It's actually not that fair.

GUTFELD: Dana, we talked about the height tax for some time, that the shorter are, you should pay less.

PERINO: It really should be fair. I mean, you really take a plus room.

GUTFELD: Yes. And studies show that taller people make more money.

So, it would only make sense that we get taxed less.

But I'm more interested in the FOX News poll. This is a very interesting poll. Surveys showed that people are most angry about paying taxes. It isn't the amount but the way it's spent.

So, the complainers aren't greedy, they are angry over government's incompetence.

PERINO: Right. And also, and they see reports of fraud. Whether the percentage of fraud is bigger or smaller than people think, they think it's there and they think the government is not doing enough to deal with that.

Interestingly, there is bipartisan consensus that the way to deal with all of these issues on the left and the right is through some sort of tax reform, be it a fair tax or the flat tax. There actually was a big movement in the late `90s to get that done and I think maybe it is time to do it. If you look at all of the numbers that it pays 111 days to pay your taxes before you start earning for yourself, it's not that people don't want to pay taxes. I think if it was more transparent and fair, the other thing I really like about one of those two tax reforms, it takes the cronyism out of Washington, D.C.

But that is only if you do something like what Estonia did, they had a clean slate. They got to design the tax program that they want and they went with 15 percent sales tax and it take something like a three-fifths vote of the parliament to change that, and that was impossible to do. So, their economy thrives.

I know our economy is a lot larger and more complicated than Estonia.

But talking to some people today, you could actually implement this in three to five years, and we wouldn't have to all of the headaches that we deal with every April 15th.

BOLLING: Can I address the flat tax? You still need the IRS. You still need for them to decide which deductions are fair which are going to get approved or which one aren't, and so you are going to have your whole lobbying group doing that as well.

TANTAROS: What do you mean? You can't really lobby. If there's three separate brackets like Simpson-Bowles put in their plan -

BOLLING: So, a tax bracket will have deductions in a flat tax, right?

TANTAROS: Are you saying there's a reality of getting rid of the IRS?

BOLLING: Yes. That's exactly --

TANTAROS: Again, we're talking like -- this is like --

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BOLLING: You don't need an IRS.

TANTAROS: It's fantasia land. That would be great in theory. But it's not going to happen.

So, let's see what we can do and Democrats and Republicans get together --

BOLLING: It's like saying ObamaCare is not getting repealed. It could.

TANTAROS: -- and said that there's three brackets. That's what I said before. I didn't love Simpson-Bowles brackets. But, look, if you make $100, flat tax, you pay 10 bucks. Easy, no lobbyist corruption, period, end of story.

BECKEL: Dana said something before the show start I think is exactly right. In order for them to happen, somebody has got to run on it. A presidential candidate has got to run on it and make it the centerpiece of what they're doing. I think the public would be receptive to it.

Now, one of things you can do on either one of these flat tax or on consumption tax is you make it non-amenable without a super majority of the Congress to go along with it.

PERINO: Yes, that's true.

BECKEL: Now, if you do that, you can knockout most of the lobbyists.

I think that would work. If you did that, if you said on the consumption tax, all right, you want to try to get an exception here, get 75 percent of the House and the Senate to agree on it. It would never happen.

TANTAROS: Here's another political reality though and I think this is the bigger problem. This administration is creating a permanent welfare state for the middle class. They're making it more enviable for people to stop working. My sister called me the other day, she goes, some woman just called up she got health benefits, she said, I'm going to go just under 35 hours because I can get the subsidy and only pay 15 bucks a month for health care.

How is the Republican going to get that voter?

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: If people are on the dole, they're not going to see the IRS is bad, because they have no skin in the game, which is what you just mentioned in your monologue.

BOLLING: This is may all be water under the bridge, as you pointed out, 70 million households don't pay any tax at all. That's about 45 percent of America. Which meets you hit 50.1 percent, you are never going to get the change that Bob is talking about because you won't get the votes to do.

You won't get the people in Congress because the people who don't pay income tax, love the system. This is a perfect system for them.

BECKEL: Did you notice that poll also said that second biggest complaint was that rich people don't pay enough?

BOLLING: So --

PERINO: Well, I think all these polls, every year, though, they're going to say the same thing. People are going to -- some -- the people who pay taxes are going to say they're too high and the people that don't are going to say that the rich should pay more. There's probably not too surprising.

There is one interesting thing that I think is worth discussion for our government and if I were Republicans I will pick it up. And it's this idea that senior citizens who decide to continue to work after age 65 and don't retire early, or have a part-time job, that they wouldn't have to pay the payroll tax after certain age, like after age 60.

I think that makes a lot of sense, that way you get incentivize people to continue working. You get the benefit of senior citizens expertise and they have more flexibility because they're not going to see -- they're not going to spend their Social Security benefits past age 100, let's say, if they are lucky. So I think there are some things public policy-wise that we could do that would make taxes make a lot more sense for everybody involved.

GUTFELD: Lastly, hasn't the IRS suffered a lot. It's hard for us to take them seriously when they are asking for our money when they're not -- when they are allowing 300,000 federal employees to get out of paying $3.5 billion.

BOLLING: Can I throw one idea out there? Why don't we all pay what President Obama pays? Let's pay his tax rate.

PERINO: The 19.1 percent?

BOLLING: Nineteen-point-one percent, that's right. I'll sign up for that tomorrow.

BECKEL: Let's also keep in mind that under our current tax laws, more money is deducted than is collected. In other words, if you actually collected the tax you were supposed to collect, there's now more deductions

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PERINO: Yes, but you have to pay a tax preparer -- it probably comes out as a wash because you have to pay a tax preparer who knows all those rules, so that by the time you save all the money, you've actually paid somebody to figure out all the money you should save.

GUTFELD: President Obama must have the best accountant on the plant because 19 percent.

TANTAROS: And the people at the IRS have the best boss, because they are getting bonuses for all their tax collections.

PERINO: And also, the other huge problem is refund fraud. And now, all these people put in. They pay today and the fraudsters are out, that are actually taking that refund money and the IRS seem unable to get a handle on that situation either.

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: So there.

GUTFELD: There you go. That was uplifting.

Coming up, a warning from the senate's majority leader from the nation's most infamous cattle rancher. Harry Reid's message for Mr. Bundy next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: The United States government versus the Nevada rancher, Cliven Bundy, and Bundy with the backing of a grassroots swell from freedom fighters and a slew of TV cameras successfully got the feds to back down.

But a U.S. senator from Nevada has a warning for the Bundys and America.

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SEN. HARRY REID, D-NEV.: It's not over. We cannot have an American people who violate the law and walk away from it. So, it's not over.

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BOLLING: Cliven and Aman Bundy were on "Hannity" last night and responded to Senator Harry Reid's threat this way.

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CLIVEN BUNDY, RANCHER: I don't have a response for Harry Reid but I have a response for every sheriff across the United States. Every county sheriff across the United States -- disarm the federal bureaucrat, take the federal bureau -- federal United States bureaucrats guns away.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE: I don't think there's any hope for him. He needs to be kick out of office even if he is a Senate majority leader.

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BOLLING: Yes. So, Bobby, what do you think about that? I mean, there are a lot of issues here. States' rights, you know? Plus, a lot of people showed up and a lot of cameras rolling.

Where do you fall on this?

BECKEL: Well, Reid is right, that it's not over and they're going to have to do something to get this done. Not only are there 16,000 people who use federal land and pay their fees, but the Nevada cattlemen's association which represents cattlemen in that state, refuse to endorse Bundy. He does not have the support he needs to make a change and change has got to be -- he's got to change the law that says that grazing land belongs to the state of Nevada. It's been tried before and wasn't passed.

It won't pass again.

BOLLING: And I keep thinking this. OK. So, they are going after this Bundy guy for a couple hundred thousand of bucks. They are millions of -- millions upon millions of illegals here, we're spending a lot of our tax money in our emergency rooms, coming over day. Greg, should they be going after Bundy?

GUTFELD: Reid should treat him like an undocumented alien and declare amnesty.

No, you know, OK, one of the Bundy fellows actually said something, nailed it on the head, said Reid should be out of office. What he's talking about -- it's not really about cowboys, it's about candidates. You got to -- in order, you don't win these battles, you win elections. And they lose to Harry Reid because they did not have a good candidate.

I can't remember a name, Sharron Angle? Yes, if you guys want to change the landscape, you've got to find candidates who can win and then you don't have to worry about Harry Reid. That's the problem.

We don't want to focus too much on this battle. We should see that the bigger battle is at the ballot box.

BOLLING: And, Dana, shouldn't Harry Reid should be weighing on this especially what we know about -- not only his son, some rumors of his son maybe doing some deals in China. And --

PERINO: I know, but, Eric, those were debunked. I mean, there's really not --

BOLLING: What about his staffer?

PERINO: I don't know. I've read nothing that says definitively from a credible source that there is a connection and I think that people have -

- he works at beyond, but he was confirmed by the United States Senate 71 to like 20. So, I think you got bipartisan support and there are good staffers out there.

I think wishful thinking is one of the conservatives' biggest enemies and in this case, Harry Reid, in particular, just can't help himself. He never -- I don't think he should have used that tone. I think he could have said, I appreciate that the White House and the Interior Department and the governor and the cattlemen are all working together to reach a solution. Good-bye.

Instead, he has to be Mr. Tough Guy with black glasses and antagonize people further just as everybody had worked together to kind of back off the situation and allow the courts to do what they are going to do with the situation.

BOLLING: And, Ands, I saw Judge Napolitano on earlier saying, you know, what they could have done. They could just garnish, when Mr. Bundy, when the father passes away, when they do the estate, dropped the estate down to the children, they can take what they are owned.

TANTAROS: Yes, there is a path of less resistance for the government.

I think I said last week, garnish his wages, put a lien on property that he does own. It seems to me like the government wanted to provoke. I know he didn't pay his fees, so they have been patient with him, but seizing the cattle in the most dramatic fashion.

PERINO: During calving season.

TANTAROS: I just don't think it's a winning issue for Harry Reid. Now, I know why he's doing it because he's recently been in the headlines for sketchy campaign money being funneled to family members. And so, he probably want the headline of Nevada off of him. But again, why would he stick his nose in something that just from a PR perspective does not look right.

It looks like the government is bullying this cattle farmer Mr. Bundy, who I'm very sympathetic with. He's just trying to make a living. So many cattle farmers have gone out of business. But again, he's got to change the law. It's not OK to break the law if you don't like it.

BECKEL: I don't feel sorry for the guy at all. He's a tax dodge. He ought to be subpoenaed. He ought to be indicted. The fact of the matter is the people who don't want to see this happen is the 16,000 ranchers who use federal lands and get a cut --

PERINO: Do you feel the same about Sharpton?

GUTFELD: Or the federal employees --

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PERINO: Al Sharpton owes $1.9 million and the president went to an event praising him just like Friday.

BECKEL: If that's the case, they ought to take everything --

PERINO: Take his cattle? I mean, what are they going to take on Al Sharpton?

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BECKEL: Why should we all here apologize for a guy who's breaking the law?

BOLLING: So, Ands, where are you on amnesty for illegal immigrants?

Where are you?

BECKEL: I'm for a program that --

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BECKEL: Why do you keep bringing these things in here? This has nothing to do --

BOLLING: Because they don't pay any tax. Bob, they are tax dodgers also.

BECKEL: You know who uses most illegal aliens? Are ranchers and farmers.

BOLLING: I'm simply saying, if you're OK, if you have a problem with the rancher for not paying his, quote-unquote, "taxes" --

TANTAROS: Speculation.

BOLLING: -- don't you have the same problems with illegals who aren't paying any tax whatsoever?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, do pay a lot of sales tax and they pay a lot of other things, and they also work.

TANTAROS: Don't you think this is a little harsh, seizing of the cattle with all the cameras there?

BECKEL: No, no. They have gone on 20 years with this guy. How much long you're going to go?

TANTAROS: Bob, it seems like they are deliberately provoking, being provocative.

BECKEL: Maybe by bringing those trucks out there and those guns.

They shouldn't have done that. But the fact is you can't let this guy running roughshod because he is the guy you feel sympathetic for you. To hell with him, he broke the law.

GUTFELD: You know who is laughing right now? The tortoise. They have a very weird laugh. You can hear it at night.

BOLLING: All right. We leave it right there.

Ahead, President Obama talks to comrade Vlad on the phone about tensions in Ukraine, days after a Russian jet buzzed one of our warships in the Black Sea. But should he stop talking and start taking action, next.

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PERINO: Heavy gunfire at an airport today in eastern Ukraine after the government managed to take back control from members of a pro-Russian militia.

Yesterday, President Obama spoke on the phone with Vladimir Putin about his country's support for militia members. The White House says he expressed grave concern. Over the weekend, a Russian fighter made multiple passes at close range near an American warship in the Black Sea, a move that the Pentagon calls provocative.

Jay Carney was asked whether it may be an indication that the foreign policy isn't working.

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REPORTER: Is there a sense in the administration and in the European capitals in which you are collaborating and dealing with, that what is going on is not working? That whatever signals you are sending, they are either not being heeded or misread and this entire approach, which is to not escalate isn't working?

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: No, Major, because the premise of the question is based on the notion that all the United States ever has to do when something happens in the world that we don't like is say "stop it" and they'll stop.

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PERINO: Bob, by all accounts, tensions are very high and on either side there could be a miscalculation and a provocation that could escalate this into actual warfare, civil war in Ukraine. What do you think?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, I think a couple of things here we should take note of and that is the unrest in the Ukraine itself or these pro- Russian demonstrators that Putin had the gall to ask Obama to please help stop these people from being protesters for doing it to these protests.

Already, they've taken one town in Ukraine.

I think the answer now is very interesting. They sent John Brennan, who is the head of the CIA, over this weekend. I think what you're beginning to see is an idea that we're going to move beyond economic sanctions into more military-oriented, giving Ukraine military capability that they may need, whether it's for anti-helicopter missiles or other kinds of things.

It's time I think now to escalate in terms of military action within the Ukraine itself, and let the Ukraine army take care of it.

PERINO: But do you think, Greg, it's too little too late at this point?

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't think there ever was an approach. I think it was more like a retreat. America is a global power that decided that, you know, we want to concentrate on ourselves. I want to work on myself instead. That's what Obama said.

But burying your head in the sand doesn't make the ocean go away.

Putin saw that opportunity. He saw the president as a beta-male, more obsessed with Sandra Fluke than actual security, and he took advantage of it.

And, by the way, old beliefs die hard. If you think that America was a bad guy in the `70s and the `80s, you think you are going to change your mind -- I'm not talking about Putin.

PERINO: Ah-ha. I get it. Give me a minute, though.

Eric, let me ask you about an info surge. So, the CIA's John Brennan goes -- one of the concerns was United States wasn't sharing information intel, and that you have pro-Russian forces there. It was actually Vladimir Putin who made the request to Obama to have a phone call last night.

I feel like from communications strategy, that they are outfoxing us.

BOLLING: They are. I think maybe they have their ear on the ground.

I think America is divided on this. I think, you know, it's one of those issues -- there are a couple float around where really, it's not right left divided. It's divided how you see where our foreign policy should be.

I -- believe it or not, I think Obama is playing this the right way.

I think he's keeping his distance. You know, what's going on --

PERINO: But they argue that they're not.

BOLLING: Who is?

PERINO: The White House argues that their policy is working. That's what Jay Carney is saying.

BOLLING: And I'm agreeing with them.

PERINO: You agree that their policy is working. But do you disagree what the policy is from their perspective?

BOLLING: I don't even disagree what they are doing. If Europe -- if the rest of Europe -- if Western Europe is not involved and Germany isn't involved --

PERINO: But my point is White House says they are involved, and that they're heavily involved, and we're doing all of the right things.

BOLLING: And I'm -- but that's my point. I think we're OK, and my point is -- maybe you are surprised to hear me say that, but even with the unrest that's going on within Ukraine, that's not Russian forces. Russian forces are on the border. They are not entering Ukraine doing this. This is happening from within.

BECKEL: These are Russian agents doing the work in the Ukraine. I mean, come on.

TANTAROS: Sent there by Vladimir Putin himself.

PERINO: I think we have to be very clear eyed about that, Andrea.

Let me ask you if you think that on the intel side of things, was that enough or should we maybe unleash Google and Twitter to go on and like be the voice where Vladimir Putin has shut down access to free information?

TANTAROS: You know, I'm not sure he cares about that. I mean, ultimately, yes, he's winning the PR battle, but he wants to take over these former Soviet countries. So, I don't think Twitter would scare him.

I do not think Obama should be involved with this Russian issue, but I do disagree what they have done up to this point. If you look at the Reagan handled it, he put intermediate nukes right in Western Europe. He did it so that they wouldn't have to have this debate in the country that we're having now which is, should we send troops in.

They shame here too is that we are following the lead of the E.U. They tossed aside their defense budgets in favor of a welfare state. We're doing that.

Greg mentioned the president is like, yes, we're going to stay here and work on ourselves, while we're, quote, "more flexible with you guys and we're going to downsize our army".

So, I actually think by saying we're cutting our defense budget, focusing more on the welfare state -- I think up until now the president has failed. And it's a shame because the Ukraine is a fairly Western country unlike Turkey. It should be in NATO. But now, because of a feckless E.U. and a feckless President Obama, it won't be and that's why we're in not --

BECKEL: In fairness to that, it was the Ukrainians when they have this new president who pulled out their request for NATO. Poland has said we should put NATO troops there, they can't get the rest of the NATO to agree.

But I've got to correct you on just one thing -- I hate to do it -- but those intermediate missiles go there in `79 and `80, they did not go there because of President Ronald Reagan.

TANTAROS: Oh.

GUTFELD: But I mean, the point is --

BECKEL: They didn't.

TANTAROS: Yes, they did.

BECKEL: They did not. Harold Brown did that. He was the secretary of defense.

GUTFELD: But I think the point is this feud was supposed to be behind us because of peace through strength. We put out a visage that was intimidating. But it turns the reset button actually reset the Cold War.

Obama is a like doctor who brings back the measles. I mean, this is stuff we shouldn't be worrying about.

PERINO: I also don't think that we need to have a policy of war or ignore. I think there is a middle ground. And last November when -- in the United States when we were working on ourselves and we were working -- the president was working on the fact that the Web site for his health care bill had completely crash, that was when the Ukrainians actually voted for Yanukovych who ran on closer economic ties with the European Union. We didn't do enough to help them at that point and now, I think, this is why we've come to this point.

MATTHEWS: And I also, I would not worry about the Cold War. I hate to say this, but I will more than happy to say it -- Russian is a feckless ineffective country.

TANTAROS: But the spread of the E.U. and NATO was huge Putin goal was to get them to back off --

BECKEL: And they didn't.

TANTAROS: -- and he got his way. So, on a global stage, Putin is winning and we're not.

BECKEL: Well, he lost -- Poland became part of NATO, Estonia. I mean, everything except the Ukraine.

TANTAROS: That's what really scares him, Bob. That's what really frightens him and we waved our hand and said, oh, we don't know.

BECKEL: Why are you worried about the Russians? What in the world could they possibly do except cut off oil to Eastern Europe?

TANTAROS: Well, you're right. It's a terribly country except for its nukes masked the realities.

BECKEL: That's what they've got.

TANTAROS: It sends a message to every other scary world leader like Iran that we have a very wimpy administration.

PERINO: All right. Still to come on "The Five," Boston and the nation remembers the victims of last year's marathon bombing, one year to the day, next.

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TANTAROS: A day of remembrance in Boston today, where exactly one year ago, two bombs tore through the city's marathon, killing three and injuring more than 260.

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TANTAROS: Vice President Biden attended the service to mark the anniversary earlier. President Obama held a moment of silence behind closed doors at the White House.

The 2014 marathon will take place in Boston on Monday.

So, are we any safer from these kinds of attacks one year later?

Dana, I'm going to go to you first on this. There was a recent report in The Washington Times that cited that the chances of terrorists getting into this country aren't as great as they used to. President Bush did a great job bolstering our national security. However, now with the Internet, the real threats are terrorists like the Tsarnaev brothers, this radicalization that anybody can do.

Are we more susceptible to that kind of terrorist attack with people living inside the United States of America?

PERINO: I think it's hard to say and we have to put our trust in the government and the men and women in uniform and also in civilian or intel operations to try to keep us safe.

But the lone wolf is the terrorist is the one that is -- could be most dangerous. They might not be able to pull off huge attacks where you have thousands of casualties like you did on 9/11, but it is pretty remarkable that a domestic terror attack involving an Islamic extremist happened in the United States during a major American event, and aside from the initial coverage, it's something that people have sort of forgotten about.

That's why it's important for us to think about this anniversary and to continue to press our government officials to find out, OK. So, what are we doing? If the lone wolf is the biggest threat, what are we doing to track down people like the Tsarnaev brothers before they can act?

TANTAROS: Eric, one of the reasons we didn't get one of the -- or the brothers, I should say, is because someone working in intelligence did not spell their name correctly and there's reports that the Russians didn't share the right details with us. Well, we can't really rely them, we're realizing that.

You've been pretty vocal about how the administration has approached capturing terrorists by spying on Americans.

Do you think that's the right way to go?

BOLLING: Look, here's what I think. I think we need to beef up the way we find these homegrown cells. We have to go on the Internet. We need the smartest people working, doing exactly what they need to be doing.

As long as they're -- you are looking for the right people. Like we've talk about before, I don't want to get into this whole discussion tonight, but I don't believe there should be a dragnet over all of America.

Here's the scary part though. It doesn't matter how much money or resources you put at this, when a guy puts together a bomb in a pressure cooker and walks to the Boston marathon and leaves it in his dorm door, and it leaves it and blows off and kills -- you're never -- it's just never not going to happen.

The sad part is we live in an open society which is perfect. But we're going to have now go -- Bob and I went to the Super Bowl, it took an hour and a half to get through security. And we had passes. It probably took three hours just to get through security if you were just showing up for the game.

That's the sad reality we have going forward.

TANTAROS: Greg, the conversation since Boston has not been an honest one about radical Islam. Even in the days and weeks after, even as recently as today.

Ronan Farrow, who's over on MSNBC, decided to highlight some of the hobbies of the terrorists instead of warning Americans about the dangers of radical Islam.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RONAN FARROW, MSNBC: We're going to take a look at the people behind this Tsarnaev.

In America, kids play football, basketball, baseball. In Chechnya and Dagestan, where Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the part of their childhood, they wrestle and do martial arts. Fighting is a way of life.

For a few people here, so is extremism.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: They do karate.

GUTFELD: So, OK, it's not radical Islam. It's wrestling. See, we're not susceptible to terrorism, we're susceptible to idiots. And no wonder we got to remember, over time, we have to remember the victims.

Take a movie like "Bonnie and Clyde". We don't remember the 12 victims. We know the names Bonnie and Clyde. We don't know the names of the victims. So, you have to remember the victims and you have to be steadfast against the pop culture that flips the scripts.

That's why cop killers are cool and you don't know the name of the actual cop victim, Daniel Faulkner. But you know Mumia.

That's why Rolling Stone puts a terrorist on the cover because he looks like a member of One Direction.

So, my feeling is we're not feeling susceptible to danger. We're susceptible to D-bags.

TANTAROS: Bob, some of your best moments or my favorite moments of you on THE FIVE is when you commented on how we glorified these terrorists and sort of brush under the rug their radical Islamic ties and highlighting, you know, maybe their high kicks or their roundhouse right.

You've taken Rolling Stone to task. You've taken other networks to task.

BECKEL: Look, I think what we're hearing here and it's exactly right. By the way, I think you should probably give President Obama and his administration pretty good marks for keeping terrorism out. There's not been a major terrorist attack on the United States. There've been home grown terrorist attacks. That's wrong here.

These various Muslim groups like CAIR and others, it is not difficult to identify somebody who is, you know, isolated, who is mad with the United States. That's where the future is. The future is finding people like these brothers to do these kinds of acts because al Qaeda is no longer in a position to attack the United States.

BOLLING: Before you take the victory lap for President Obama, what he has done is using the same infrastructure that was put in place by the Bush administration.

BECKEL: I'm not taking away from Bush.

BOLLING: You said you have to give President Obama credit for it --

BECKEL: You do --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Well, first, he said he was going to dismantle it and they realize how dangerous the world is.

PERINO: It would be nice if the president could give President Bush some credit.

BOLLING: Yes.

PERINO: Ahead on "The Five" -- do Americans work too hard? The answer is yes. But is that a bad thing? Bob thinks so and he wants us to get on board with Europe. He'll tell us all about it, up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Here in America, we work too hard. I'm a case in point. Many of us are glued to our BlackBerries like my colleagues around the table here long after we leave the office. Did you know in France there's a new law that allows citizens to ignore emails after 6 p.m.? That's my kind of law. And a town in Sweden is testing out a 30-hour work week. I think Europe has got the right idea. But the folk over at Cadillac might disagree.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do we work so hard? For what? For this? For stuff? Other countries, they work, they stroll home, they stop by the cafe, they take August off, off. Why aren't you like that? Why aren't we like that? Because we're crazy, driven, hard-working believers. That's why.

As for all the stuff, that's the upside for only taking two weeks off in August.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: I can't get that guy out of my head, the guy on "Justified" got his arm chopped off.

I do think there's something to be said. It was tried here once in the Depression. The Kellogg company that makes cereal decided to go to four six-hour shifts. Profitability went up, profits went up. More people got jobs. Why not give it a try?

BOLLING: Was that, like, in the 1880s?

BECKEL: No, it was in the 1940s.

BOLLING: What about the hard-working society? We built the strongest powerhouse economy on the planet, working hard, working more. I agree with the guy in the Cadillac. By the way, what's two weeks off like?

BECKEL: What do you mean? I don't know.

PERINO: Yes, no kidding.

BOLLING: Around here, we work. Greg takes some time off. He's working when he takes a day off.

BECKEL: He is?

GUTFELD: I agree. I agree. Why -- why does America always want to adopt the policies of the people we beat? That's all we do. By the way, the Sweden thing, those are politicians. Those are government guys that are actually getting their hours cut back, which I agree with. I would pay all government workers not to work.

BECKEL: Dana, what if they took six hours, and it turns out that they were working, getting more productivity and they were doing a better job?

PERINO: It would be nice if we had that luxury. But the Baby Boomers have made sure that we are going to be tied to our jobs for the rest of our lives and not benefit from Social Security and Medicare like they did.

BECKEL: There you go.

PERINO: That will have to be changed. This is what -- we are watching the decline of a former great empire in France.

BECKEL: Well, Sweden is ranked No. 1 in virtual every category of life, quality of life. So I'm not so sure it's so bad.

You worked, what, from 6 to 6 in the morning, doing restaurant work and look at you.

TANTAROS: If I didn't work. That's true. If I didn't work now, I think I'd go crazy. But every time I hear these stories about European countries cutting back on work, I think we should rejoice. They're basically announcing, "Guess what? We're making it even harder for us to compete with you."

And I look at France, I mean, they have that new disconnect law for certain self-employed people that you can...

BECKEL: What's wrong with that?

TANTAROS: ... cut down. Who would hire somebody that can shut off and -- whenever they want at 6 o'clock? 

BECKEL: Wouldn't you want to stop listening to these nincompoops who email you after 6 p.m.?

TANTAROS: I would -- I would love it, but I will never be successful if I did it.

GUTFELD: You're talking about our bosses? They're the ones that are e-mailing.

PERINO: No, I'm the one e-mailing.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's true.

BOLLING: Rather than emulating a European 40- -- 30-hour workweek, we should look at the Chinese, some of the economies that are starting to kick our butt. Those people work hard. There aren't labor laws. There aren't minimum wages. They're working harder than we...

BECKEL: That's what we should have: no labor unions and no minimum wage?

BOLLING: Exactly.

BECKEL: They work for a dollar a day.

BOLLING: Certainly no maximum hours per week, for sure.

PERINO: There's nothing more satisfying than putting in a hard day's work. And for example, with your book.

BECKEL: Speak for yourself.

PERINO: You work really hard. You go on the book tour. People come out and they want to buy your product. And that feels good.

GUTFELD: This is why I only drink after I work. Because you have to have -- you have to be rewarded for the hard work you do. You can't just sit around and drink. You've got to work.

BECKEL: That is not true. You want to be...

TANTAROS: You drink relative to how much you work?

GUTFELD: Exactly. The more I work, the more I drink.

PERINO: Don't you write like four paragraphs and then you can have a drink?

GUTFELD: Yes. I do an hour a drink.

BECKEL: There's nothing wrong with getting up at 11 a.m. in the morning, coming in to work for two hours. Absolutely nothing. "One More Thing"...

PERINO: No, it works perfectly for you.

BECKEL: ... is up next. It's a long day.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: It will take about a week for the ointment to work.

It's time for "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: By the way, Dana's "One More Thing," amazing. Can't way to see that one.

OK. So last Friday, I did a speech for the National Ocean Industries Association. Great American offshore drillers. Love those guys. But so I'm getting on the plane. Show the picture of the plane. I take an airplane selfie. They put you in first class, they send it out.

As I'm sitting there, a girl gets on the plane. She's sitting right behind me, directly behind me. She's about 28 years old, pretty attractive girl. She says, "I love 'The Five'. I love you on 'The Five.' You guys are great. Did I tell you how much I love 'The Five'? I love 'The Five.'"

Twice she said it during the flight.

I think getting off the flight I'm getting my bag. She puts something in my hand. I put it in my pocket, because people are pushing me to get off. And what do you know? I forget about it. I get all the way back to FOX. I reach in my pocket to find out what she put in my -- in my hand. It was this. Show a picture of it please. A picture. Guys.

U.S. Federal air marshal, sitting behind me. Twenty-eight years old. Pretty girl. I'm telling you, it made me feel so much safer. You have no idea who the air marshals are.

TANTAROS: Just like "Bridesmaids," right?

BECKEL: Why was she sitting right behind you?

BOLLING: That I don't know.

GUTFELD; She might not have been a marshal. She might been a real fun gal.

PERINO: But then has handcuffs.

GUTFELD: I travel with handcuffs everywhere. You never know when you're going to need them -- Dana.

PERINO: Wow, that introduction.

OK. You'll want to see this video from the Fine Brothers entertainment. This is from the hit online series called "React." This is a bunch of kid for the first time in their lives see a Walkman. Do you remember these?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is this thing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no idea what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't get what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do I do? Press play?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know what it does.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So do you know what that is used for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Walkie-talkie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You speak into it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Use it, a boom box.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wait, wait, wait. It's a cassette player, right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. That was funny.

BOLLING: Adorable.

PERINO: I had a Walkman.

GUTFELD: I guess those kids are just really stupid, is that what they're saying? These kids are stupid? That's terrible, Dana. Oh, let's make fun of dumb kids -- Bob.

BECKEL: Yes. Well, last night one of the rare moon events occurred, and that is what they call the blood moon. And it was seen over North and South America predominantly. I happened to see it at 3 o'clock in the morning, which is about the time I go to bed.

GUTFELD: You were walking home.

BECKEL: I was walking home, right. And it is when the earth's shadow moves in front of the moon and you have a full moon, and it turns red. And people all over the country saw it, except for these people, because they're all asleep. And Dana was asleep about 8:30.

TANTAROS: Very different from the other full moons you see.

BECKEL: Yes. I howl at those.

GUTFELD: Andrea.

TANTAROS: All right. For those of you who are getting excited about a 40-year AC/DC anniversary, there have been reports that one of their original founding member, guitarist Malcolm Young, is sick. The band has reserved studio time in May. Brian Johnson came out and told a Florida radio station "one of our guys" was pretty ill earlier this year. But one source close to the band says these are just rumors. But we hope that Malcolm is doing well. So...

GUTFELD: One of the greatest bands ever.

TANTAROS: That is so true.

PERINO: They scared me.

TANTAROS: But I miss Bon Scott.

GUTFELD: I could see you being scared by AC/DC.

BOLLING: "Hell's Bells." How scary?

GUTFELD: "Highway to Hell."

PERINO: I didn't listen to that.

GUTFELD: "Dirty Deeds."

All right. DVR it so you don't miss an episode. See you tomorrow.

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Feds vow legal action after ending Nevada ranch standoff

Published Monday, April 14, 2014 / The Five
With Kimberly Guilfoyle , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino , Greg Gutfeld , Bob Beckel

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 14, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, the tense stand-off between a Nevada rancher and the feds is over for now. But the government is vowing to take the fight back to court. Thankfully, the showdown was resolved over the weekend with no violence or injuries. The Bureau of Land Management released around 400 head of cattle it seized from Cliven Bundy for failing to pay grazing fees for more than 20 years. Now, Bundy says the land his ancestors settled on belongs to Nevada.

Here are some of Bundy's family members after the feds backed down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

LILIE SPENCER, SISTER OF CLIVEN BUNDY: Those cattle are ours. They are Cliven Bundy's family cattle. And they stole them from us and they realize it. They're our cows and they get to come home to the place they've lived all their lives.

RYAN BUNDY, SON OF CLIVEN BUNDY: We the people have just had enough of tyranny of government, you know, on all levels, federal, state, county levels, the people are tired of being oppressed by government. And that's what this was really about. That's why they responded to us.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

GUILFOYLE: You heard it here, the cows are coming home to graze.

That's the update for the day.

So, who is in the right here, Eric? Was it the right decision? Did they back down because they were afraid of having a kind of violence, militia, eruption, something like that?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think they are doing right thing. I think you saw a lot of people -- there's a lot of media coverage of it. People started lining up. A bunch of people came and I think the feds did a right thing because there's a lot of questions what's really going on there.

Does the Bundy family have the right to be grazing? I mean, for God's sake, these are cows want to eat a little grass. The feds, the IRS, $4 billion in return to the wrong people last year alone and were playing around with a few, you know, they say a million dollars. I don't know, negotiate down to a number that's reasonable for both. Give the guy's cows back.

And I'm just glad to see everything calmed down and let them take it out in court and fix in it court.

GUILFOYLE: There's a real legal question, Dana, as to the land, right? Whether they have the right, meaning, the Bundy family, to have their 400 heads of cattle graze there, or is there something that the government is in the right? But when you go and you take a U.S. citizen, tax-paying citizen or at least partially in arrears, his property, those are his cattle, then you are having a whole other situation.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And I thought the Republican Governor Brian Sandoval was probably the best voice of reason of all of this, in trying to tell the government you might have a point, but actually, this is a state issue not a federal issue. So, can you back off and let us deal with it like reasonable people in all of this?

I think the problems that the administration, the White House was about to have is that you had the video of the tasing and the buildup and this escalation, and the story line, whether it's fair or not, but it was developing on the left was that the federal government is sending a sniper to shoot at people to protect its turtle. That is the message that they were about to send, and so I think everybody backing off.

There's bigger questions here about Endangered Species Act Reform writ large, and also how elitists on the coast are condescending towards people who have chosen a way of life in rural America. And I don't think those are going to be solved during the Obama administration, but it will be an issue in 2014.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Greg, how do you see it? Who's in the right here?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, I'm happy for the cattle. I'm heard there's going to be a Hannity special. Cattle will be in the audience to answer anybody's questions.

It does go back to these turtles, these turtles.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFED: The bigger implication here it's a symbol of a government that's more inclined to target citizens than their enemies. If we had the endangered tortoises in Benghazi, would the response have been any faster?

Who knows? But I said this before, big government always makes people smaller. So, even though there's some lawlessness involved here, it's always -- the inclination is to be for the individual, even if the individual may have broken some laws.

And I think, Bob -- you know, that's what Bob feels. But the fact is this reveals the flaws of a big government. It's a clump of coercion that does not know how to negotiate with people. There's no reasoning or dialogue. It's just, you're the fly and they're the swatter. So, it's actually kind of refreshing that they decided not to swat.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: And they made the right decision because it had the potential to blow-up in everybody's faces and people could have gotten hurt.

But let's get a couple of things straight here. One, it is not his land. Two --

GUILFOYLE: But he's saying it's the land belongs to the state of Nevada, therefore people who live there have a right. That's his argument.

That's his argument.

BECKEL: I know. But you could argue that all you want. That's been in and out of court for years. At some point, you are going to have negotiate what's federal land, what's not. But right now, he was on federal land, one. Two, there's 16,000 other ranchers who graze on federal lands and pay their taxes to graze and he's not. So, he's a lawbreaker as far as I'm concerned.

And this woman saying, oh now, the cattle have a chance to come home, like we're coming home to get them home and time to get off to the slaughter house. I mean, this is not --

GUILFOYLE: But that's not the point, what he does with the cattle.

He's saying that he has rights and if they've been really speaking open --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: The next move ought to be -- forget sending in guys with tasers. Send in the IRS auditors and grab hold of what he's got in the bank.

BOLLING: That's fine, but here's when the whole issue change when they started saying, well, it's not about you owe the million dollars in grazing fees, it's really about the desert tortoise, that's the real issue.

And that's when they were starting to push the envelope a little. People got very ticked off especially when we talked about in Friday.

There's a Google-owned solar power plant in the same desert. They moved the tortoises for that. But they're not doing the --

GUTFELD: It's a shill game.

BOLLING: But here's the other thing -- Harry Reid, there's a link to Harry Reid. One of these people that used to work for him in his campaign I believe is somehow tied to the Bureau of Land Management.

PERINO: His name is Neil Kornze and actually --

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: Natural -- guys that work in Natural Resources says that he's actually a really good guy, knows what he's doing, comes from that area, the dry land farming type of thing. That he actually gets high marks from both sides.

BOLLING: Can I just make the point I'm trying to make? Whether or not that's when the feds seemed to back off. When that link to Harry Reid was established, all of a sudden, the feds said, you know what, let's bring this tone down a little bit. I think they want to keep their eyes up Harry Reid on this.

BECKEL: Look, it's been going for 20 years. The last thing they wanted to see was another Ruby Ridge or another Waco.

GUILFOYLE: I agree, yes.

BECKEL: And the best thing to do -- it's been 20 years in and out of court in this guy. Now, I guess, the answer is you get them in the court or when he sends his cattle off to slaughter, grab hold of the cattle and take the profits.

GUTFELD: I don't have a cow, Bob.

OK. But I want to point out -- can I say that, you know -- these are small victories for a large segment of society, but they are minor compared to the larger victories which are elections. The real war is the election. Not stand-offs in Nevada. Standoffs in Nevada will come and they'll go, and things will turn out OK, but the White House who prefer you focus on that, rather than perhaps the bigger question of how do you win 2016? This is just a distraction.

PERINO: Remember last week when we watched the town hall and they had, it was a packed room, standing room-only and they had the speeches there. You don't get a group like that together just because of one person's cows. This is a culmination of a lot of frustration and the condescending tone from a lot of Democrats toward people in rural America.

For example, there's a congressman named Bruce Braley. He's running for Senate in Iowa. And he was caught on tape saying that if Senator Chuck Grassley became the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, that you might have a farmer from Iowa who never went to law school, never practiced law, serving as the next chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. That was seen as yet another swipe as we're better than you because we're more educated.

I think that the most wise people I've ever known don't live in cities. And they don't sit at a desk, they sit in a saddle. Their office is not top of a horse, not a horse crap that happens in New York.

BECKEL: I agree --

GUILFOYLE: Dana Perino came to play today, ladies and gentlemen.

BECKEL: I don't think people in the cost have any idea of the arguments about land and water in the West, but I come to 16,000 who do ranch and are good people and do pay their taxes.

BOLLING: All right. Can I give -- throw a number at you? Twelve million illegals in this country right now, continuing to come over. They will come and they have a baby. It costs $3,000 to have a baby.

How much do you think 12 million cost this country in health care per year when they go into an emergency room?

BECKEL: I have no idea. How did you get Bundy to that?

GUILFOYLE: He's Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: But we're playing around with, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars. At the end of the day -- sorry -- they are going to end up settling for a couple hundred thousands on this. You know and I know, when you have a dispute with the IRS, they think you owe this, you think that, you come out in the middle somewhere, few hundred thousand dollars.

Meanwhile, tens of billions of dollars we're spending on people who come over here illegally. Where's the priority?

BECKEL: Well, where the priority is --

GUILFOYLE: How do you balance it out? Yes.

BECKEL: We ought to get a bill -- there's the bills have been floating there for a long time and it's got to get resolved.

GUILFOYLE: But there's a number of issues at play, right? Because who owns the land? What are his rights? Did he in some way assert his rights to adverse possession and whatnot of the land by grazing on it openly in front of them and now they took his property? Well, now, they are going to court because they realize that that's a way to avoid a conflict here and potential danger.

BECKEL: What is not in question is it's not his land. It belongs to the federal government. Now, maybe it should not belong to him. I've seen politicians out in the west where this has been a prime issue and they've got a legitimate issue, when 85 percent of the state is owned by the federal government. But it is not his land -- let's make that clear.

GUILFOYLE: But, Bob, he's not even saying it's his land. He's saying that he's been grazing on it for years and years.

Greg?

GUTFELD: At the root of this problem, we go back to the tortoise.

The tortoise is at fault here. I've had enough of these animals. I don't understand why they are on endangered list.

You throw out an endangered list, it doesn't mean you've had your run.

It's good, sayonara.

PERINO: Or you're slow-walking.

GUTFELD: Yes, you're slow -- how are you still here when you walk so slow? Get with the program.

GUILFOYLE: You seem to be a little heartless where tortoises are concerned?

GUTFELD: They smell funny.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: They smell funny. Have you ever gotten close to a tortoise or a turtle? They have an odd smell. They are cocky, too. They're cocky in their little homes.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God.

PERINO: The bottom line is I think that this reminds to the brilliance of our system where you have a representative government and you have two senators from each state and that's why you have powerful people like Heller in Nevada and Barrasso in Wyoming -- people that are looking out for rural America in the U.S. Senate.

GUTFELD: They should elect the tortoise.

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Media mock CPAC; Malaysia airline vanishes without a trace

Published Monday, March 10, 2014 / The Five
With Greg Gutfeld , Kimberly Guilfoyle , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 10, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Wow.

All right. Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she wants got locked inside a mini-bar, it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

GUTFELD: Every year, it comes in pairs -- CPAC and the media's mockery of CPAC.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "HARDBALL"/MSNBC, MARCH 6)

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Do you remember the bar scene in "Star Wars" with all those wild-eyed creatures from every part of the solar system? Well, today, here in Washington, the whole tapestry of weirdness was re-enacted at the annual convention of something called CPAC. And CPAC is the far out sharing space with the even further out -- a place for the crazy car to fill up with the usual suspects, Cruz and Paul and Rubio and Bobby Jindal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: "Star Wars" bar, that's a real original metaphor. I think I used it like 30 times.

Now, you never see the press attack liberal gatherings, but that's because looters never target their own home. So the conservative gathering CPAC is called a freak show by those who should be extra careful slinging such mud.

Chris Matthews calling someone crazy? He's so nuts, if he ate a Snickers bar, it would be cannibalism.

But the media mocked CPAC for one big reason. It's a proxy for a larger group of people they despise but do not know. It's the America you don't see on HBO dramadies or in colonic waiting rooms. And this hate is really fear of opposing views, perhaps because their own views sag with doubt.

But let's just assume CPAC is odder than David Gregory's hair. So what? Weird people rule, if only to let us know that we're not so weird. Weird people also take risks. That makes them uncool. Rebels don't really look like James Dean. Those are the fakes. Renegades usually look like this.

Politics attract the odd. As a refugee from the left, I'd say there's more of that there. In fact, crazy is so common that not being crazy makes you the crazy.

Surely, CPAC is fractious, fiery, and at times nuts. So what? If trumpeting free markets, frankly discussing mandatory minimums and talking about race without smears of bigotry is weird, then may the weird inherit the Earth. Just leave the buttons and bumper stickers to the left.

Dana, you were overly excited about this monologue. You said, ooh, I have a great idea. What was that great idea?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, well, I don't know -- now that you built it up, I don't know if I will be able to meet the expectations.

GUTFELD: Well, what do you make --

PERINO: What I was thinking is the left has two CPACs, and they happen in the winter, the Golden Globes and the Oscars. No one thinks they're crazy.  They have a red carpet and everything.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That was a good one. I like it.

PERINO: CPAC -- thank you. Mondays. OK, here we go. Thank you.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I thought that was rather, but that's OK.

GUTFELD: Oh, how dare you?

PERINO: CPAC is base firing, right? I think one of the things people -- everybody sees the speeches and they look for who is going to get a slot, who will get invited, who will speak, but the speeches were actually very good this year. The most interesting stuff, though, happens in the breakout sessions. That's where you learn a lot about new tactics for "get out the vote", new social media micro-blogging and different types of tools in order to get out the message, and then you have other debates like mentioned on mandatory minimums, things that are happening all throughout the conference that don't necessarily happen on stage at the big speeches.

GUTFELD: You know, Bob, people always talk about how conservatives all think alike. But here, it's evidence that it's fractious, people argue.  What's wrong with that?

BECKEL: Well, listen, it's interesting. First of all, I want to congratulate Rand Paul and Cruz -- Teddy Cruz, my man coming in second.  That ticket would be a phenomenal ticket, Paul-Cruz or Cruz-Paul.

There's a study out by a Republican political analyst that's very revealing. Something I have been saying for a long time. The Tea Party and that group is not the base, in your monologue you suggested this was a vast majority of people.

GUTFELD: No --

BECKEL: About 50 percent -- about 50 percent, you didn't? I'm sorry. If you didn't, I interpreted it that way.

About 50 percent of Republicans consider themselves somewhat conservative, 30 percent consider themselves, believe it not, moderate or liberal, and 20 percent consider themselves very conservative, either secular or fundamentalists, evangelical. So, what you're seeing here is a very small percentage of the Republican Party.

But they keep pushing it out. They get a lot of attention. More power to 'em. Let it go on for months.

GUTFELD: Eric, there seems -- there's always been a libertarian element to CPAC and the conservative movement. But it seems this year, it's bigger than it has been.

BOLLING: I think you hit on the monologue, it's a place to take risks, yes, and some did, some didn't. But it's most importantly -- it's the place where new ideas are formed and, boy, did they hit the new ideas. And I agree, that's my notes were right here. They were forming new ideas.

If Bob is right and CPAC and the like aren't the base -- well, they darn well should be the base.

BECKEL: They are part of the base.

BOLLING: They should be because they're the young people, as Greg points out, libertarian leaning, smaller government, sure, lower taxes. Yes, but also some of the other issues that no one else wants to talk about, privacy, things like that. I'm completely, completely impressed with the way these people turned out with the enthusiasm that they turned out.

The left would love to have a group of young people that energized as the group at CPAC right there, and I'm not just kissing their butts. I really mean this. I think the winner, whoever wins on the Republican side, will be the who is able to get those people and also do some of the other big picture Republican type things.

GUILFOYLE: I have a comment about that because that's what I'm really curious about, whether or not this time they're going to be able to translate that, you know, momentum, the energy, the youth, and enthusiasm, to a point where it can go the distance. Because, you know, last year, what's going to make this year different than the last time when he was able to win, you know, at CPAC, right? Can they get it going for it and not be, yes, like the party of no and energize the base?

GUTFELD: I'll keep talking to you on this. I just want to show that the straw poll results which had Rand Paul way up in front with 31 percent.  You have Ted Cruz, you got Dr. Ben Carson coming in third.

BECKEL: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

GUTFELD: And then that guy, what's his name? Christie. Yes, I know, I was joking. The producer goes -- it's Chris Christie. I was kidding.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: So, Kimberly, what does this say? Is this -- does this have any relevance? It's too early?

GUILFOYLE: I like it because it actually shows a very interesting range that I think is good for the party. You have someone who is a free thinker that's come forward to be a dynamic speaker like Dr. Ben Carson, that's has really connected with people.

You have Rand Paul, also making a strong showing, again. He has a very motivated base. They're really dedicated to him, and they know how to get out there. I think that's a powerful yet untapped source for the Republican Party.

But will his followers if he's not the nominee go over to a guy like Christie? That's the problem. Maybe they'll go to someone else like a Ben Carson.

PERINO: Has ever somebody that won the CPAC straw poll ever gone on to be the nominee?

GUTFELD: It's always been -- his dad, Ron Paul.

BECKEL: Barry Goldwater, Barry Goldwater, every single nominee of the Republican Party has been from the established conservative wing, which is the majority of the Republican Party --

GUILFOYLE: But how do they get those guys?

BECKEL: When you say carry the momentum forward, it's a small group of people who get a lot of attention. But Ben -- are you kidding me? These people --

BOLLING: How has it worked out for the right with all these moderate Republicans?

BECKEL: If you try to put it in the hands of a right winger, what happens?

GUTFELD: You get Ronald Reagan.

BOLLING: They don't get there.

BECKEL: No, he wasn't -- what?

BOLLING: They don't get to the point where you have a strong voiced conservative to go up against a Democrat. Go up against a liberal.

GUILFOYLE: I like the diversity that I'm seeing.

GUTFELD: Yes, diversity. That's the important thing.

GUILFOYLE: I like Cruz, I like Ben Carson. That's important for the Republican Party.

GUTFELD: Before we move on to the Russian piece, this is George Will talking about the media coverage of the conservative Republican thing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY")

CHRIS WALLACE, HOST: Is the GOP getting any closer to a clarifying moment here?

GEORGE WILL, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I certainly hope not. It's much more interesting when they're dueling with one another. The conservative movement can't win in this argument because if they're harmonious, the media says stultifying, monochrome, oppressive, no diversity. Then when they argue with each other, they say cry havoc and let the dogs of civil war in the Republican Party. It's perfect nonsense.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Perfect nonsense.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

PERINO: I thought that was a reassuring thing to hear from someone like George Will who studied it for so long and knows a lot about it. So, you have somebody with that kind of observation skills --

GUTFELD: Nice observational skills.

PERINO: Is it observational?

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: If you go back and look at the history of the Republican Party, this split has been going on for a long time. It started with Roosevelt versus Taft back in the early 1900s. Every step of the way, there's always been a very conservative member of the Republican Party who has contested for the presidency.

And only one time in my -- that I can remember, and that would be Rockefeller -- I mean Goldwater and it's because Rockefeller was the principled opponent, have they ever been successful.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOLLING: So, can I just make it quick? Everyone on the left is doing it, and some people on the right are doing it, too. They're talking -- and I actually bought into this for a while, there's a split between the Republican Party in the far right and the center right, and Rand Paul points this out. He says it's less of that than a bunch of individuals who are not necessarily all right, far right, or centrist right. They're just -- they have their own ideology.

It's not one -- it's not two factions of the Republican Party. It's --

GUTFELD: It's about four.

BECKEL: There's a lot more.

BOLLING: No, it's like 15 legitimate candidates that any one of them if the whole base and some of the establishment got behind them, would give Hillary a run for her money.

PERINO: But they will have to be -- they're going to have to be persuasive. So, a lot of these speeches were -- they threw out a lot of red meat and they're like funny lines, great sound bites. That doesn't necessarily always translate to persuasion that gets people to either donate money and certainly hasn't brought people to the polls.

GUTFELD: All right. I want to --

BECKEL: I wanted to ask Eric. You really think that any of those people - -

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: How's this? No one in the world saw Barack Obama beating Hillary Clinton at this point in time. Would the left love to have 10 or 15 legitimate candidates from the right?

BECKEL: We would like everyone who spoke at that convention.

BOLLING: Fourteen, 16, 18, 20 --

BECKEL: I would start with Teddy Cruz.

BOLLING: It's the party on the move up, Bob. You have to admit that.

BECKEL: Well --

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: I'd rather have choices than be basically given a candidate.

GUTFELD: But I will say this -- Bob has a point. You haven't seen that big one come through yet. We have a -- we still have that, you know --

GUILFOYLE: Is it coming?

GUTFELD: Let's talk about Ukraine real quick.

GUILFOYLE: Sure.

GUTFELD: All right. Dick Cheney was on, I guess it was CBS with Charlie Rose, talking about Barack Obama and the Ukraine, or Ukraine.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

ROBERT GATES, FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY: I think that cutting the defense budget in significant ways right now is a serious mistake. It certainly sends a signal that we are not interested in protecting our global interests.

CHARLIE ROSE, CBS NEWS: Do you believe that President Putin believes that President Obama is weak?

RICHARD CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I think there's any -- no question he believes he is weak. I also think he hasn't got any credibility with our allies.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

GUTFELD: K.G., what do you make of that?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Look, I think it was very interesting interview. I paid attention when I hear Cheney speak and when I hear Gates speak. So, to me, they have a lot of connections. They talk to people on a regular, daily basis that are making the moves and deciding things in this right now.

And I think an important point that Cheney said is that, you know, the Europeans got very irritated with the way the situation in Syria was handled. And so, that put a lot of doubt in their mind with respect to dealing with President Obama when that looked like it was a go situation.  He stepped back.

That's inconsistency, it lacks stability. It doesn't breed confidence and faith in somebody you have to work side by side with.

BECKEL: By the way, your interaction, Cheney -- I thought Cheney had a heart problem. I didn't know he had a neck problem, too.

GUTFELD: That was Gates.

GUILFOYLE: That was Gates.

BOLLING: And then Cheney.

BECKEL: I know, then Cheney.

But -- you know, first of all, Cheney, when he talks about the allies, Cheney talks to the right of most of the parliaments that he's talking about. I mean, look, the one thing Gates said I thought was most important and everybody should keep in mind is that they ought to rally around the president's situation like this.

BOLLING: I can say one more thing that you and I both spoken about. When asked about the Crimean region. He said it's gone. It's gone.

By the way, the Crimean people, the people who live in the area, want to be part of Russia. They don't want to be part of Ukraine.

PERINO: You guys, I've actually -- I don't think it's fair to them to say that. There's a Pew poll that came out done from them a year ago with 65 percent of them saying they did not want to be part of Russia. So, I don't think we can sit here in New York City and just say, OK, they want to be a part of Russia.

BECKEL: Poll of Crimea, just Crimea?

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: Or of Ukraine?

PERINO: Of Crimea. So, I mean, I just think and maybe something has changed in a year, but I just don't know if we're in a position to be able to say what they actually want. I thought last night on "60 Minutes", when they talked about Ukraine and what happened in the square in Kiev and the opulence of the mansion the former president fled from, that was really about -- that was finally talking about what the people really want.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I thought that was refreshing.

GUILFOYLE: That was a good piece.

BOLLING: Can I add this little piece? If Germany and the E.U. isn't interested in defending Crimea from the Russians, why should we?

PERINO: So, then, what next? Everybody is just cool. Like you think that Putin is going to like -- that will be it?

BOLLING: I would be surprised if he went any further.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's end there, shall we?

Up next, the massive search for that jet plane that vanished from the sky in Asia, it's been nearly three days and the mystery is deepening, ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's been almost 72 hours since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared over the skies of the South China Sea. Loved ones of the 239 passengers and crew are still waiting anxiously for any news on what happened.

Now, there were three Americans onboard that jet, including an IBM executive named Philip Wood from Texas. His brothers James and Tom spoke to reporters about how they're holding up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES WOOD, BROTHER OF MISSING PASSENGER: Christ is what pulled us together. And it's how we're dealing with it. To be honest with you, it's a little surreal. We're still in shock and we have our moments.

TOM WOOD, BROTHER OF MISSING PASSENGER: He was a man of his word. Just a -- just a wonderful guy. He loved us and was very generous with his -- with his money and his time and his love, and took care of people without anybody knowing about it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Well, there's no evidence yet that terrorism was involved, but it hasn't been ruled out, especially with the discovery that two passengers got on that plane with false passports.

Here's Homeland Security Committee member Peter King.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. PETER KING, R-N.Y., HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE: I can tell you that every effort is being made to find out who they are, especially since we're talking about Malaysia, which is really a hub -- has been a hub of al Qaeda activity in the past. There was a meeting there prior to the attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Any number of 9/11 hijackers went through Malaysia.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: So, a lot of information coming in over the weekend about this, certainly some speculation. We're going to give you what we know since it's an ongoing investigation.

But, you know, Dana, this is really kind of a shroud of mystery. They can't rule out terrorism at this point. And it just seems you might be able to find a plane if there were significant remnants of one that large.

PERINO: Well, I think we should all pray it was an accident or there was a mechanical error, because the alternative, if it's terrorism, is a very chilling situation and you -- for lots of different reasons, right? It instills fear. You've lost innocent life.

And you are in a situation right now where the world allies need to be working together very closely on intelligence matters to share information and to do so in an open way, where they have a lot of trust, and over the last two weeks, we certainly have not seen that with some of the most important allies that we have.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, very good point.

Eric, where does this investigation going from here with some of the terrorism aspects of it they're exploring?

BOLLING: This is what is really kind of crazy. The two stolen -- the people who boarded the plane with stolen passports, those tickets were purchased with cash and not by the two passengers, by an Iranian named Mr. Ali.

Now, if that doesn't scare the heck out of you, nothing will. However, I'm going to -- let me take this side of this argument.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: There are those, my wife included, who is hoping it's terrorism for this reason, because if a plane that is only 15 years or so old, which is a very short period in their life span --

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: -- in very good condition, can fall out of the sky and vanish and not be found for three days, some of the older planes, which a vast majority of our fleet are much older than this plane --

BECKEL: Your wife doesn't like to fly.

BOLLING: And she hates to fly. But I'm not making light of this. I'm serious. So, we can fix terrorism. I'm not sure we can fix planes blowing up arbitrarily over the sea and not finding them.

GUILFOYLE: Well, both I think are frightening and daunting outcomes of this investigation. Neither is good.

I mean, you even have children, like my son was asking me, what happened?  How can a plane just drop out of the air like that? Or did it blow up, did it explode? Did somebody take it? You know, there's a lot of questions and it's a frightening situation.

Bob, people have talked about Lockerbie. What do you think?

BECKEL: Well, Lockerbie -- it's interesting, because when Lockerbie blew up, it scattered debris within a 50-square-mile area from 30,000 feet. In this case, there's been nothing found which indicates to me that it may not have been blown out of the sky. That doesn't mean the terrorists didn't take over the cabin and put it straight into the water.

The incident, as Eric pointed out, not only did this guy buy the tickets in cash, he's bought from the same travel agency before. He had a business in Thailand.

When I was in Thailand, second to the number one business, the oldest profession, the number two business was you can buy passports that were stolen in Bangkok, because so many people come through Bangkok. It was a big business. That's where you get stolen passports.

You take those things and put them together, and this guy is not (ph) living in Iran, there's a reason to assume, at least an investigation of terrorism where -- 

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: They're meeting in Malaysia before 9/11 as well. The disappearance of this plane, Greg, was both sudden and cataclysmic. It only had reached 30,000 feet and all of a sudden vanishes.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's weird, and it's dumbfounding we have no record of it because we think we can record everything.

There's a couple of points I want to make, it creates priorities in the news. We're talking about climate change and Russian politician muscle flexing, this knocks everything off because it affects everybody. It creates a hierarchy of priorities.

But what we know is inversely proportional to what we say being on TV. We have to keep talking about something without knowing anything.

The question is who would bomb a Malaysian plane on the way to China? Who has the capability? Who has the motive?

Right now, there is almost seemingly no motive unless it would be something like a dry run. But then why would you do a dry run because if it worked, then it hurts -- it makes it harder for you to do it next time.

GUILFOYLE: A security breach, being able to do it in that area of the world. It provides an opportunity --

GUILFOYLE: Just quick, I know we're getting out of here, but Air France lost a plane over the south Atlantic. It took two years to find the black box because the water was so deep. (INAUDIBLE) is in the South China Sea.

So, this will be a long process, and Greg is right, it's something you can conjecture about it all you want, you can say it may be terrorism. You can't rule it out, but you can't rule anything out at this stage in the game.

GUILFOYLE: It's just very disturbing I think also the communications seized. I mean, there was nothing to go on, you know, like you mentioned.

GUTFELD: Yes, it could be something we have never experienced before.  That's the most disturbing thing.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: What are you talking about?

GUTFELD: I think a new kind of terrorism, whether it's used by -- I mean, what about the people -- weren't there passengers who checked in who never boarded?

PERINO: Five.

GUTFELD: Yes. Maybe they never showed up, period, which is OK. There weren't checked bags.

BECKEL: They feel very lucky, don't they?

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, next, a new dose of hypocrisy from Hollywood heavyweight Harvey Weinstein. Plus, video has just surfaced from Justin Bieber's deposition last week, and it's not good.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever talked to Selena Gomez and discussed your feelings about the paparazzi with her?

JUSTIN BIEBER, POP STAR: Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about her again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: The wild tape, coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: All right. The fastest no, it's cantaloupe. The fastest seven minutes goes Hollywood with the Bieber the brat hole, Lindsay, the rehab queen, and the billionaire Harvey Weinstein, the hypocrite. Three entertaining story, seven energetic minutes, and one very enthusiastic.

First up, bratty, arrogant and combative Justin Bieber has no respect for the American justice system. Check out these videos TMZ obtained of the Biebs being deposed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember earlier today when I asked you --

BIEBER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don't you listen to what I have to say first and then maybe you'll tell me yes or no.

BIEBER: I don't have to listen to anything you have to say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever disciplined Mr. Hesney?

BIEBER: Disciplined. What kind of question is that? Is he my son?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Answer the question.

BIEBER: Guess what? I don't recall.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: You take this one, Dana. We want to smack that guy a little bit.  By the way, that's a deposition.

PERINO: I know. And the thing is, is that on the -- for the fastest seven, there's three topics. I have a lot for the first one and a lot for the third one. And I am a blank slate when it comes to Justin Bieber.

BOLLING: The Biebs?

PERINO: I really -- I don't know -- that's the American justice -- all right. Kimberly, does he have to be respectful?

GUILFOYLE: That's the central --

PERIUNO: Shouldn't he be respectful to the other lawyer?

GUILFOYLE: Of course, he should be respectful. Then again, some lawyers aren't respectful, either, the way they conduct themselves.

BOLLING: Are you alluding to the fact he was going for the sound bite, this lawyer?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I wasn't in the room for the whole thing, although I would have liked to have been.

BOLLING: Defending the Biebs. Greg?

GUILFOYLE: It's very interesting. No, he's acting snotty nosed for sure, but some of the questions are ridiculous, like discipline. He's right, discipline is what a parent does to a child. You punish and get a time out.

GUTFELD: Yes, he's immature, he's sulking, he's defiant. He could run for president. You know, I do actually --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he has good hair.

GUTFELD: I can't stand him, but I kind of agree with Kimberly, is that the guy was asking purposely, he's asking about ex-girlfriends and he's doing this. He was doing it, and look --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: How could you not love --

BOLLING: The Biebs --

GUTFELD: By the way, depositions are awful.

BOLLING: Horrible.

GUTFELD: And I never would have done that. I was --

BOLLING: Bob?

BECKEL: I have never seen a personality go this quickly from being one of the widely acclaimed heartthrobs of America, and then it seems to me in a matter of months he's taken this turn and become an evil young man.  Michael Jackson took two decades for that to happen to him. This kid is not going to last.

BOLLING: All right. The next Hollywood wacko to grace the fastest seven, rehab queen Lindsay Lohan just four days out of her latest rehab stint.  Lilo talking about this being her last shot. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: It does take kind of getting to a really scary place. You think you can handle everything, but really, no, you can't.  There's nothing left in having a drink for me. What's left in that feeling? Maybe like trying the other way for me, which is, you know, living with integrity and living in control of my own self. That's the life I want now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Bobby, talk about her reality show, just days out of rehab.

BECKEL: I find it absolutely stunningly bad. Not the reality show, but the idea you would take somebody 90 days out of rehab and put them on a reality show like that. She says she wants control of her own life. She has no control of her own life. A disease has control of her.

I've said this before, it's tragic but I think it's true -- left to this pattern people put her out there and continue to play off of her personality is going to kill her before she's 30 years old.

BOLLING: K.G. --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Yes, there's a sign, a light, you're in a vulnerable time, post-rehab especially for her with multiple stints in rehab. So, you know, I wish her the best, I pray for her, you know, but I think she needs to money, so she's putting herself in this position. She's still in crisis.

BOLLING: You know, a lot of people out there are watching going, we're struggling in America. We're having a tough time. We're trying to raise our kids right, and seeing a moron like this who had chance after chance after chance, and now, we've got to watch her on TV.

GUTFELD: You know what I love? Her voice. She can qualify for old lady roles in movies. Her voice is raspier than Marge Simpson's sisters.

You know what? I agree with Bob. I don't think this is going to end well.

However, if there's a bit -- some sexism, we kind of like don't mind it when guys do this sort of thing.

BOLLING: Like Charlie Sheen?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: I certainly do.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts?

GUILFOYLE: I was just thinking -- I hope it's true, all the things she says she wants for herself, I hope that comes true. I just think a reality show is a very strange way to get it. That's where you don't have control of your life. That's where you have everybody else focusing on you and you're under the spotlight all the time. Maybe she thinks that's the best way to keep herself from drinking.

GUTFELD: Date her, Bob. Date her, Bob. Date her.

BECKEL: There's an idea.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We got to go to this one.

Finally, Hollywood and hypocrisy are common bedfellows. The latest example, massive movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has a huge supporter -- was a huge supporter of President Obama's bloated budgets. But now, the fat cat producer wants us taxpayers, we taxpayers, to provide his obesely budgeted films with more tax incentives.

Dana, let's start with you on this one. This has got to drive you absolutely crazy.

PERINO: Well, to me, Hollywood is becoming one of the least trusted institutions or entities in America.

Here's the thing, though. If he wants to put a shoulder behind this, what he should do is if he's for tax breaks for him, tax breaks for all. Right now, there is a possibility, a slim one, but if he could get behind the corporate tax reform both Republicans and Democrats on the Hill want but President Obama hasn't approved, the way forward yet, I actually think they could do some good there in Hollywood. They could help themselves while helping the rest of America, including people who buy tickets to movies.

BOLLING: Some of the hypocrisy is he's a big supporter of President Obama and Hillary Clinton, some of the people who like the biggest taxes on the planet.

GUTFELD: Yes, he is part of the obedient status quo. They're more lock step than a marching band in Hollywood. But you know what? Tax breaks are like anything else to him. Like guns, they only should be available to left wing elitists. He loves gun control, but his mansion is probably better protected than Benghazi.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I think he's on the right side of the issue. I think there should be tax incentives. I think California is in trouble enough, then they should encourage the movie industry to film there, it's their base. So for once, he's right.

BOLLING: We agree with that. But what about supporting Hillary and supporting President Obama so vehemently?

GUILFOYLE: I guess all that support isn't getting him tax breaks.

BECKEL: Very quick point -- the movie industry has moved to Canada for shooting?

GUILFOYLE: New Orleans.

BECKEL: New Orleans for shooting, and other places because they have been given tax incentives. I think it's a reasonable case to be made if you want to keep your industry in your state, that's the way to do it.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Big business.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: How about America? How about open American business environment?  Lower taxes?

GUILFOYLE: I agree with all of it.

BECKEL: You sound like that I don't like lower taxes. I think -- I'm for a flat tax.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Next, parents strike back against the mayor of New York City for kicking children out of their charter schools. Dana has the developments coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: New fallout over the decision by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to oust three charter schools from public school space. Today, the Success Academy Charter School Network is filing a federal civil rights lawsuit against the mayor. Many parents want to stop de Blasio from denying good education to underprivileged minority students.

Here's reaction from Fox News contributor Deroy Murdock.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DEROY MURDOCK, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I think he's turned himself into the George Wallace of the 21st century. He's standing in the school house door the same way that George Wallace did in the 1960s. He says he's standing up for black people and Hispanics, and he's not. He's standing in the way of these little kids who want to get ahead, and he's really denying them the chance to get ahead in this society.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: De Blasio is standing firm, though. He defended his decision once again this morning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO, D-N.Y.: I have never been against charter cools. I have to worry about 1.1 million students a year. By the way, only 70,000 go to charters, but I care about those 70,000. For the 95 percent of kids who are in traditional public schools, that's my first obligation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: But it's not just talking heads who are arguing about this. I wanted to play this clip from a mom and daughter courtesy of The New York Daily News. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our kids are outperforming a lot of schools in the state, and it would be a huge mistake if we pulled the schools that are working for our children.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I'm pretty sure a great education got Mayor De Blasio to become a mayor, and I want my chance so I can succeed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right. Pretty powerful testimony from parents and students.

Kimberly, you said you had a lot of feedback this weekend about this from friends.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Absolutely, and over the last few weeks. Moms calling me whose children attend Success Academy, and they are devastated. You have people out there marching. They've got great commercials. They're getting press coverage. Get loud, get angry about it because this is an outrage.  He's literally standing on the backs of minority children.

Ninety-three percent minority children is what attended charter schools.  They have a great opportunity for an amazing education. Not a system where they have teachers that are unionized, and now, de Blasio, the political hack, is trying to kiss butt on the unions and making good on his promise by closing these charter schools, and everybody in the know knows he's got a big feud with Eva Moskowitz who started it, and that's what's behind it, his political archenemy.

So, he's being very small-minded. He's hurting these kids. Shame on him.  He can't be thrown out of office soon enough.

PERINO: As of Friday, Bob, Bill de Blasio was down to a 39 percent approval rating. I think the questions of his motivations about whether or not he cares for kids, I think maybe we should set that aside. I think he said it, well, this morning when he was on "Morning Joe" talking about that.

What are your feelings, though, about the politics of this? Nervous?

BECKEL: Very rarely have seen a politician screw something up like this.  I mean, look, we're now talking about this guy being against charter schools. The fact of the matter is he only --

PERINO: Or against children.

BECKEL: Or against children. He allowed 14 out of 17 charter schools to remain where they were, and he said he would take the other three and put them someplace else.

Now, the problem is he let the story get out in front of him like that. He got the payoff to the unions and the rest of it. And he probably doesn't like the charter schools.

GUILFOYLE: But he also rescinded the funds that were approved.

BECKEL: But the story got running away with itself, and he did not control it. At least he could have said, why are we closing these three schools?

PERINO: Eric, in the time we have remaining, you love this story. Why?

BOLLING: I love this story, because here's what happened this morning.  Understand, Kimberly is right. De Blasio really screwed this up. He really took a shot at charter schools in favor of the other schools, the teachers unions and whatnot.

Cuomo called him out on that, New York State Governor Cuomo called him out, was going to pay for the charter schools to stay open.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: And then De Blasio was painted into a corner.

So, what did de Blasio do? He goes to "Morning Joe", Joe and Mika, and he says, help me out of this bag I'm in right now. Water this down so I can work my way out of it, and they spend the first 10 minutes sloppy wet kisses with De Blasio before anyone asks a tough question. They finally get down to the charter schools, 10, 11 minutes in, and then he has nowhere to go.

He double talks these two people for a long time. And towards the end, they finally get to the point. Charter schools are outperforming regular schools in New York City in math and reading by a long shot.

So, Bill de Blasio, what are you going to do? At which point, he says I'll take a look at this.

So, what they're trying -- what MSNBC has done for him is let him out of the corner he painted himself in. And it was disgusting to see them do it --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Can I get Greg in here?

GUILFOYLE: -- number one in math in the state.

PERINO: OK. I just want Greg to be able to say one thing in this segment.  So, I'll just turn it over to you.

GUTFELD: Big message here is once again, the greater good annihilates the present now. De Blasio as a militant left winger has harmed more children than measles and skateboards combined.

If you look at the idiocy also in not just De Blasio, who is an idiot, look at the New York voter who saw 20 years of prosperity, and instead of embracing those policies, they said, let's do the opposite. Essentially, it's like somebody getting cured of cancer and taking up smoking.

BECKEL: It's not as if they had candidates to vote for. Let's keep that in mind.

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Americans yearning to feel confident again?

Published Saturday, March 08, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Dana Perino , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five" March 7, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

TANTAROS: Well, a lot of Americans are fed up with our government. They want to feel great about our country again.

Today, Rick Perry gave them a voice and some encouragement with this fiery speech at CPAC.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. RICK PERRY, R-TEXAS: Get out of the health care business. Get out of the education business. Stop hammering industries. Let the sleeping giant of American enterprise create prosperity again.

My fellow conservatives, the future of this nation is upon you. It belongs to you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Well, there's a reason why America is the greatest country on Earth and it certainly isn't because of our government. It's because of the people.

Something this recent Cadillac ad masterfully reminded us of.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do we work so far? For what? For this? For stuff?

Other countries, they work, they stroll home, they stop by the cafe, they take August off. Off. Why aren't you like that? Why aren't we like that? Because we're crazy, driven, hardworking believers, that's why.

Those other countries think we're nuts. Whatever. Were the Wright brothers insane? Bill Gates? Les Paul? Ali?

But I digress. It's pretty simple. You work hard, you create your own luck, and you got to believe anything is possible.

As for all the stuff, that's the upside of only taking two weeks off in August.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. It wasn't just that ad, Dana. There's been a growing trend where advertisers and businesses are choosing to put these pro-American ads out there. We talked about the Ram trucks "God made a farmer" ad from the last Super Bowl. There's Mike Rowe ads that are airing at Wal-Mart, which are very pro-business and work.

The ad companies must have figured out this is what people want.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: They do constant market research. Every single day, you get market research to find out what are your consumers going to want to buy, what is speaking to them, are their ads working, are they not working?

And so, to me, I think that they followed the market, followed the money, and they figured out that this is how they're going to attract more customers to their shops or to the showroom in order to buy new products.

TANTAROS: Eric, the left is going crazy over this Cadillac ad.

They're calling it American ugliness, and Rush Limbaugh, your buddy, reacted on radio today. Take a listen.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Oh, gee. Another Rush Limbaugh --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: So here you have Cadillac and their ad agency. And what are they using to sell this thing? The American dream. The old adages. Hard work, success, climbing the ladder.

You just work hard and work hard and you don't think about vacations first. You think about your work. You find something you love. You go out and you do it.

And, yes, you require stuff. And there's nothing wrong with acquiring stuff. There's nothing wrong with improving their lifestyle.

And the left is just livid!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Eric, what's wrong with acquiring stuff? Don't we all love stuff?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: No, that's what we -- that's what we're -- follow the money, thank you, Dana. Pro-capitalism, free markets, baby, that's what it's all about.

And Dana is right. The pendulum is swinging back to this patriotic American consumer who wants to buy stuff. I've got to tell you, that will probably play out in the 2014 elections.

Can I just point something out? That ad was perfect. That ad was amazing. I was gripped to that ad until the very end.

You know what happens at the end? He pulls the plug out of the electric Cadillac. I'm like, no, no. Let's go with gas-guzzling American pro-oil big car. That would have been perfect if they've done that.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: But you know why it's crazy? Because basically it's a Prius for men. It's basically said don't buy a Prius.

That's for the -- whoever.

TANTAROS: Maybe that was their nod to the left at the very end.

GUTFELD: Yes.

The commercial isn't the controversy. The controversy is that there's a controversy about saying this, that the message is somehow unique or unusual.

The ad's message is seen as shocking, then so should be good manners and proper hygiene. These are things that we grew up with, we lived with.

What's controversial really is that we live in a country that is run by a snide cabal that considers patriotism a form of cultural leprosy and exceptionalism is considered a disability. That's why this is shocking.

By the way, Neal McDonough is a great actor. If you watch "Justified", amazing villain.

TANTAROS: Bob, he probably had to keep his voice down, which looks like he's in his L.A. backyard so all the lefties in L.A. didn't hear him filming that commercial.

BECKEL: That's true. Well, first of all, let me just say -- in case you miss Rush Limbaugh's radio program, you could watch "The Five," because we have him on so much. You won't miss anything.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: There's nobody else to put on to talk about this. The other thing is that Cadillac commercial, that guy -- anybody who watches "Justified", that's the dude who got his hand cleaved off -- sorry. My phone, that's a good old American patriotic phone.

TANTAROS: Your phone shut off all day.

GUTFELD: It's made in China.

BECKEL: Probably is made in China. But the other thing about this that is amazing to me, you look at those Wal-Mart ads. We're not going to show that, right? I'm trying to turn the damn thing off.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: So here's the thing. Walmart runs an ad showing American workers at work with hard hats. This is the company responsible for shutting down more manufacturing in this country and sending it to China than any other company in the history of this country.

GUTFELD: They employ more Americans than any company.

BECKEL: Not in those kind of jobs, they don't. You take those jobs -

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GUTFELD: What's wrong with those jobs?

BECKEL: They're in China.

GUTFELD: No, that's not --

PERINO: That's not true.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Wal-Mart.

BOLLING: Bob, there's almost 2 million workers in America, 1.6 million American workers.

BECKEL: They sell stuff that's made in China.

BOLLING: You know why? Because the minimum wage laws.

BECKEL: The unions.

BOLLING: No, the minimum wage laws. The jobs you're so concerned about right now, they go to places like China.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: But, Greg, isn't it multiculturalism versus patriotism.

So, we talked about the Coca-Cola ad which was also controversial, because it seemed like it was trying to appease all cultures rather than maybe a little bit more pro-American.

GUTFELD: Yes, we talked about this. A consequence of identity politics which is, sorry, Bob, driven by the media and royalty on campus is to fracture a country into slivers of angry victimhood. And I think maybe

-- maybe this is an encouraging sign that these slivers are coming together under the new umbrella of patriotism. That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think if the liberals wanted the commercial to be made, it would be buy this car but only if you think you're no better than anyone else.

TANTAROS: Well, the ad was playing on "Good Morning America." And, Dana, they did not know at the table, "Good Morning America" desk, how to even react to this type of patriotism. Watch this and I'll get you to react.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's wrong with taking more than two weeks off?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you're made to be feeling guilty because you're not working hard. That's ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You didn't take your vacation days. Sad.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: None of those people at that dev got to where they are today with the European -- and I can say this, even the Mediterranean work mentality.

PERINO: So, I would love to take two weeks off but it's not going to happen. That's not when I am because I would rather be here with all of you.

GUTFELD: And what would you do?

PERINO: I would go to Africa and help young people. And the thing --

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: That was my answer.

PERINO: -- about the Cadillac piece --

TANTAROS: Different kind of help.

PERINO: I just know that if I want to have a Cadillac, I'm going to have to work really hard for it. I'm going to budget appropriately, and I actually think that on the electronic piece of it, that is kind of where the market is going. People like the idea, new consumers that are able to actually afford a Cadillac now, want to have that kind of environmental responsibility on -- as part of a product that they would buy.

So I would love to have the two weeks off. I would also love to have a Cadillac. That can't necessarily happen in the same timeframe.

BECKEL: You're talking about some people are frozen in the '50s who don't want the electric cars --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: You just pointed your finger at me.

BECKEL: OK, fine.

BOLLING: I like the idea of an electric car.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: The problem is we can't make an electric car. GM, we're incapable of doing it. Toyota is close, but we can't do it.

These crap cars we're putting out, I'm just telling you, we don't have the technology. The battery is this fat all the way up to the middle of the car.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: This is an ad for General Motors, the company saved by Barack Obama, the American car company. That's good.

And by the way, last month, 175,000 jobs were added to the Obama recovery. Take that one.

PERINO: How many people were long-term unemployed in that report?

BECKEL: It came way down. Instead of going up, spending went up.

Numbers are all in the right direction.

BOLLING: Wait, wait, wait --

PERINO: That's not the case.

BOLLING: You can't just throw that out there. It's incorrect. Yes, we have 175,000 jobs created in an economy that should be creating about

350,000 per month.

GUTFELD: And unemployment went up.

BOLLING: The unemployment -- the rate went up, and this, the structurally unemployed is elevated, Bob. The labor force is so minute, it's the smallest it's been in 40 years. Not getting one iota bigger.

BECKEL: Fewer people working part-time jobs as they were, and you guys were all saying because of Obamacare --

PERINO: Oh, my God.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Bob, more people are at temp agencies than ever.

BECKEL: Excuse me, less than 40 hour a week jobs went down.

PERINO: Why?

BECKEL: Because Obamacare helped.

PERINO: Why is that the case? Less than 40 hours a week? Because of ObamaCare.

BECKEL: No, no, because you guys --

TANTAROS: Because of Obamacare, Bob.

BECKEL: I said they went down.

BOLLING: The labor force is at its lowest percentage in 40 years.

BECKEL: I know you guys probably don't do this because it has something to do with pro-Obama, but could you guys in the break give me facts about what happened to the part-time work.

BOLLING: Please? Let's do that. That would be fine.

TANTAROS: Bob, why did the White House have to change the formula to calculate the unemployment rate? Why do they have to do that?

BECKEL: Why not?

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: I rest my case. They're telling me to go.

On that note, much more to come on "The Five," including our Facebook free-for-all. Send in your questions for us to answer right now at Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC. You may even have them answered on air.

Up next, the growing outrage over the decision by New York City's mayor to ax charter schools from city space that have helped a lot of disadvantaged kids succeed. Details on that when we return.

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PERINO: One of the most powerful Democrats in the country has officially declared war on charter schools. New York City Mayor de Blasio, bill de Blasio eliminated funding for three of those schools last month. A move that left nearly 200 Harlem children educationally homeless.

How do the parents of these displaced children feel? Well, take a look at the ads running in New York City.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love charter schools but the fact is I need the help. I was brought up in the era where you were told it takes a village to raise a child. This is my village.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need charter schools to continue to keep on going. They're doing a great job for my kid and for thousands of parents'

other kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As regular students, we're going to give you the greatest education. We need these politicians to keep our schools open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I voted for de Blasio, but I didn't vote for you to take my child's future.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right. Andrea, I'm going to start with you, New York politics expert.

This -- Bill de Blasio said he was going to do this. In some ways, you might say, well, he won by 85 percent of the vote, even though the participation rate was low, so maybe did these parents kind of end up with the government that they chose?

TANTAROS: I don't think they know what they were voting for because these charter schools in New York City have over 90 percent minority students, over 70 percent low-income students.

And this is not an issue that's limited to New York City. This is why this matters. This is a national issue because progressivism is back. We thought that Bill Clinton killed it. Bill Clinton, to his credit, was a proponent of charter schools, but the progressive wing has come back in a big way in New York City with Bill de Blasio.

And this exposes them for what they are, the way they're going after the charter schools, which are excellent, by the way. The progressives are not about making people's lives better. They're about making people's lives equally terrible. OK? They're doing it one school at a time and one child at a time.

And Eva Moskowitz, who has these schools in New York, she's a Democrat, you know her philosophy is -- kids first, unions, you can wait in the back. That's not Bill de Blasio's and that's not this wing of the Democratic Party.

BECKEL: We go out at night with nets and look for a little poor kid, and we take them --

(AUDIO GAP)

PERINO: -- are very powerful, and they have been running -- I watched some local news and local programs. And so, I have been seeing these ads, and it's actually becoming a national issue for the Democrats. Bill de Blasio is down to 39 percent approval already.

BECKEL: Yes, I would -- by the way, I wouldn't call him one of the most powerful Democrats in the country. He's the most powerful in New York, maybe.

But, listen, this is going to shock you a bit. I think he's wrong. I think he's kowtowing to the teachers unions. There's no fiscal reason to do this. There's every reason -- because, look, the standard test scores are 85 percent to 90 percent for the kids in the schools versus something like 9 percent in the schools they're going to have to go to.

So, when you find the situation, when they're bad schools, charter schools need to be the alternative. And my friends in the teachers union, who I've been friends with for a long time, you've got to give it up.

PERINO: Why not find a way, Eric, from a business perspective if you're the mayor, find a way that's working like that and expand it rather than shut it down.

BOLLING: Bob is right. He's going directly back to the people who voted for him and probably financed his campaign and said, you know what, I'm going to push back on these charter schools because I owe you, unions.

Hat tip back to you, teachers unions, especially.

But, Bob, listen to what you said. You said if it's working, if the charter schools are outperforming the public schools, then maybe we should look at it.

Guess what? They're outperforming charter schools -- charter schools are outperforming the public schools.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: My only problem with charter schools is they're expanded out to places where they do have a good public school education program in the suburbs in a lot city --

BOLLING: So, then what? So then what? So, don't do it there even though a charter school would outperform a public school even in the suburbs?

BECKEL: But they've got private schools.

BOLLING: That's not the issue.

TANTAROS: They're co-located in New York City. They have a floor of a charter school and the next school is public school. They're co-located and they get the money from Wall Street.

Why wouldn't we want Wall Street money?

BECKEL: Because they made all that money in the --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: They should pay for education.

PERINO: I'm going to add one thing and I'm going to go to a sound bite and get Greg's take, which is that tens of thousands, over 50,000 students, are on a waiting list to go to charter schools in New York City because as the parents are saying, they want a choice.

Greg, I want you to talk about the fight between Bill de Blasio and governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, who basically has said I'm taking the other side of this and he's pretty fierce about it. Let's watch them both.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO, D-N.Y.: The education industry, I said the same thing for decades. More money, more money, more money, and it will change. We spend more money per pupil than any state in the nation. We're number 32 in results.

It's not just about putting more money in the public school system.

It's trying something new, and that's what charter schools are all about.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right, he likes this development. Tell us why.

GUTFELD: Well, it's interesting. Should Mr. Cuomo ask himself to leave New York City or New York since he said New York had no room for conservatives, he just became one through an act of common sense.

The greater issue is why did the greatest city in the world under two decades of incredible strength and leadership, hand power over to an abject moron? It's like building a beautiful jumbo jet and choosing a pogo stick as its pilot.

De Blasio is a left wing lurch. This is affecting 70,000 kids. He's harming more children than lawn darts and Freddy Krueger combined. And the key -- the reason is they're not his kids.

This reflects every liberal politician who kills school choice while sending their brats to private schools.

BECKEL: He's only been in office for a couple months. You probably could give him a little slack --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: He's evil.

BECKEL: Evil?

TANTAROS: He's evil. This progressivism is evil because it's about money and power. You know what the school chancellor said. The chancellor came out and she said these kids are on their own.

BECKEL: You know where the evil cell is, it's the CPAC in Washington.

BOLLING: Let's just stay on this for just one second.

GUTFELD: Detour.

BOLLING: Cuomo doing this -- clearly, here's what he did -- he took de Blasio. He realized de Blasio was on the ropes in a corner, and what Andrew Cuomo did was smart. This is going -- this is going to be my first venture towards the 2016 presidential run. I'm going to distance myself from the far left wing of the party. I'm going to go a little centrist.

Here's a great opportunity. Boy, was that smart.

BECKEL: I think that was right. Let's keep in mind, charter schools were started in North Carolina by a Democratic governor. Democrats -- there's a lot of Democrats who are progressives who favor charter schools and vouchers.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Bob, this is a war in the Democratic Party. Andrew Cuomo is part of the Clinton base --

BECKEL: Yes, but you guys said all --

TANTAROS: Can I finish, please?

BECKEL: Sure.

TANTAROS: No, I gave Bill Clinton. Cuomo is part of the Bill Clinton camp. De Blasio is a wing of the progressive camp.

Cuomo is up for re-election this year, so he's very smart. He's thinking now before 2016.

I just don't -- you guys must be fighting it out in the Democratic Party.

BECKEL: Not --

TANTAROS: Progressives versus the Clinton camp.

BECKEL: Because you're down into the cages.

TANTAROS: Don't bring up Republicans.

GUTFELD: Can you show that picture of the children again? The kids that are being affected. There was a nice mosaic of the kids.

BECKEL: Yes, Greg's in there. See if you can pick out Greg.

GUTFELD: This was an issue in which the left were attacking the right, this would be a deck of race cards.

TANTAROS: Oh, yes.

PERINO: This is the 194 students affected by the shutting down. The reason I think it's a national issue is even in D.C., where President Obama decided not to expand the D.C. voucher program, you have pitted the parents against the Democrats. And so, we have a national issue.

Bob, real quick, is Cuomo a vice presidential possibility for Clinton?

BECKEL: I don't think -- being vice president to being governor of New York is sort of a step down. I think what he's banking on, and I think he's probably right.

You know, you saw it yesterday. Bernie Sanders, the senator from Vermont, put his toe in the water little bit. Nobody is going to let Hillary Clinton run by herself on this. If she stumbled, if Cuomo is in the race, he'll have enough money to stay in the race, he might pick it up.

PERINO: So, he's smart.

GUTFELD: Jerry Brown. Jerry Brown.

BECKEL: Whoa, Jerry.

PERINO: OK, next, the uproar in the Muslim world over the upcoming biblical film, Noah. Plus, the uproar by atheists over that cross-shaped beam found at ground zero. And then, our Facebook free-for-all, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody, to the seven fastest minutes, three seducing stories, seven swift minutes and one spirited host.

Today -- atheists, Muslims, and weed.

First up, should pot ads be allowed to run on television? Check out this ad that will air on Comcast cable. The ad they claim promotes safe smoking of medicinal marijuana.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yo, you want sushi? I got sushi. I got the best sushi. This area is dry, man. You know that, I know that.

Ain't nobody selling but me, I got tuna, I got salmon, I got sweet shrimp. The finest sashimi this area has seen in years. I got everything, even California rolls, baby.

ANNOUNCER: You wouldn't buy your sushi from this guy. So why would you buy your marijuana from him?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Weed ads are scheduled to air on AMC, Bravo, the Food Network and Comedy Central. I understand the target market for a couple of those Comedy central and the Food Network. But there is not so much.

Interesting ad.

PERINO: He must smell terrible, that jacket.

BOLLING: You get the point?

PERINO: I got it. I got it.

BOLLING: All right. What do you think of it?

PERINO: Not persuasive to me because fortunately, I don't have an illness where I need marijuana, unless it helped chronic dry eye, which I'd be very interested.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: But the ads that worked on me were the ads, the PSAs, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs. I truly believe that's what would happen to my brain.

BECKEL: I can believe it to be true because I'm here and I can speak for it.

TANTAROS: You're exhibit A.

BOLLING: What do you think of these ads, though?

BECKEL: I think it's bad. I think that very much -- you know, you're not allowed to advertise for alcohol. You can do beer. I don't think --

GUTFELD: You can do liquor now.

BECKEL: No, not liquor.

BOLLING: You can't do cigarettes.

BECKEL: But the point is I think the idea of going out and advertising for marijuana. Even Greg is in favor of legalizing it. I used to be. I'm not now because it's so powerful. I think it's a bad thing for kids.

BOLLING: You can -- you can advertise for liquor. You just can't be actually drinking it.

GUTFELD: Right. Yes, that's actually --

BECKEL: Have you ever seen any vodka?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Yes. Tequila ads.

But what you're talking about is interesting. The problem with modern advertising is they have abandoned subtlety and the code words. When I was a kid, running on a beach in white pants meant a feminine hygiene product, but I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

BECKEL: You kept your white pants on.

GUTFELD: No, but that's the why ads worked is that they didn't tell you what it was about. Now, every ad tells you about erectile dysfunction.

I don't even know --

PERINO: They put it out there.

GUTFELD: Incontinence, sex, sex, now we say exactly what it is. I'm from the good old days when I have no idea what they were selling to me.

TANTAROS: Like the cartoon camel smoking the cigarettes. They were selling --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: They had to pull away (ph).

Ands, you thoughts on whether weed should be able to be advertised on TV, even if it's safe smoking?

TANTAROS: No, I think there's a free market, but there's also the smart market.

I don't think people who want to get their weed need help. They don't need advertisements. They know exactly where to get it.

And, two, I think they shouldn't advertise at all because it will cause a backlash.

BOLLING: We got to move very quickly. Moving from smoking weed to smoking hot mad. Here's a heated exchange between our own Megyn Kelly and some moronic atheist who claimed a cross that formed when the World Trade Center fell was causing atheists headaches.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Is it a little disingenuous to claim atheists in your group are suffering dyspepsia and headaches as a result of seeing the cross included in the museum?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, 9/11 was --

KELLY: That's not disingenuous, that's true? What is dyspepsia?

What happens when they see it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our plaintiffs went through a lot on that day, as many other people did. For them, for that religious attack to be compounded by religious discrimination by our World Trade Center memorial, I'm not surprised they're suffering symptoms.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: But walk me through. When they see the cross?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not about seeing the cross. It's about the exclusion of everyone else. It's not about looking at a cross, Megyn.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Now, from experience, that cross gave a lot of people a lot of hope.

Ands, your thoughts on this?

TANTAROS: I have dyspepsia and headaches from watching that clip.

PERINO: Yes.

TANTAROS: I wonder if I'd qualify for medical marijuana.  They're

doing this to be annoying. If they really meant what they said, they would go after the museums in New York that have religious art, but they don't.

This is a legitimate piece that's part of the 9/11 memorial. It's not like an artist painted it and contributed it.

They're just doing this to be completely annoying. They're annoying people.

BECKEL: He needs -- this guy needs -- remember the exorcist. He needs an exorcism for the cross.

PERINO: Oh, boy.

BECKEL: This guy is -- by the way, this guy probably could use some of those ads that Greg didn't like so he could get harder in his thinking, but the point here is that, you know, atheists have -- I feel a little bit sorry for atheists. They are the hardest -- they're the hardest thing to describe. They just can't do it. It's wrong.

BOLLING: Why keep saying hard?

BECKEL: Why am I saying hard? You have a problem with that?

BOLLING: No, no, no.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Let's move on.

Dana, again, more intolerance by intolerant people who claim to be tolerant or whatever.

PERINO: Yes. I think that the World Trade Center should be off limits from the nonsense, and I understand that they've got a lot of issues and they bring up a lot of lawsuits. But I think on this one, let this one go.

GUTFELD: You know, I have a lot of respect for atheists because they're in the minority here and they deserve to be heard. But they don't do themselves any favors chasing insidiously stupid outrages, which is this is one. And I also have to ask, would you ever challenge Islam if it was an Islamic symbol or anything like that? They're complaining about this, but they don't complain about the anti-Mohammad filmmaker who's in jail.

They should complain about that.

BOLLING: Very good transition from the World Trade Center to the Muslims who seem to have intolerance for everything but their way of thinking. Here Egyptian censors want the film "Noah" to be kept away from Egyptian movie theaters because they claim the film is, quote, "irreligious".

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you want?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's nothing for you here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have men at my back. You stand alone and defy me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not alone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Egypt has also banned "The Passion of Christ" and "The Da Vinci Code" for similar reasons. More Muslim intolerance, huh, Bob?

BECKEL: When does it ever end? But, listen, these are supposedly secular states that are doing this, and that means that you ought to be able to put something on in the movie theater that is not under Sharia law.

I think Sharia law is a waste of time anybody and it's a goof. And it was handed down in a bad book.

But leaving that aside, I got my fatwa yet? Fatwa this.

BOLLING: OK, very good.

Greg --

GUTFELD: I'm just trying to figure out what is not an affront to Islam. They should put out a book of everything that offends them. I think they already have one. It's called the Encyclopedia Britannica, because every single thing offends them.

This religion -- religion shouldn't have such low self-esteem. You should be confident that your faith can welcome skepticism or welcome other faiths. It seems kind of insecure.

PERINO: That was mine point. I said that they don't trust their people --

GUTFELD: I was looking at their notes and I stole them.

PERINO: You did say it better than I did. I agree.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I'm good.

BOLLING: With what he said?

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: All right. How about you, Ands?

TANTAROS: I agree with Greg. A smiley face is an affront to Islam.

A painting of Bob Beckel is an affront to Islam. I do think we should start selling "fatwa this" t-shirts on "The Five's" website.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: Islam is the most intolerant religion in the world and --

BOLLING: With Bob's picture on it?

TANTAROS: Yes.

BOLLING: Fatwa this?

TANTAROS: I would like to get in on that --

BECKEL: One thing they should ban in the Muslim countries is Viagra because that way --

PERINO: Bob --

TANTAROS: They turn on people who turn on Islam and kill them, even worse than people who aren't Islamic in the first place.

BOLLING: All right. We need to go --

GUTFELD: I would like to apologize for bringing up the commercial and

--

BOLLING: And derailing the second half of the show.

GUTFELD: I didn't see that happening.

BOLLING: Ahead, your burning questions answered in our Facebook Friday free-for-all. That's coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Are you ready? It's time for our Facebook free-for-all, back by popular demand. Keep sending your questions to Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC.

Now, we're going to answer them. The questions are, in order, for Eric from Melissa C. This is a great question.

Are you going to run for any office between now and the 2020 president election?

BOLLING: Any office.

GUTFELD: Any office.

BOLLING: Because it's (INAUDIBLE) EB2016, is that where that comes from?

GUTFELD: I'm sure.

BECKEL: Dogcatcher.

BOLLING: It depends. That's a long time. Six years to figure it out?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Oh, no.

GUTFELD: Where would you run? In New Jersey.

BOLLING: For what?

GUTFELD: Senate, Congress. What else do they have there? Governors?

PERINO: Dogcatchers.

BOLLING: Dogcatcher.

GUTFELD: He's evading the question. Have it shown in the record.

Andrea, what's your favorite movie of all time? And leave out the X's.

TANTAROS: Gosh, I don't know. "Legally Blonde."

GUTFELD: Really? That's a good movie. Reese Witherspoon?

TANTAROS: Yes.

GUTFELD: Excellent film. I liked her better in "Election," though, I must say.

TANTAROS: Oh, no, "Election" is awesome. See, I can't make up my mind.

BECKEL: I like "Silence of the Lambs".

GUTFELD: We never knew that, Bob, because you like movies about food.

Dana, what is your favorite book of all time?

PERINO: "The Joy of Hate" by Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: You know, you can still get that in paperback. No, no --

PERINO: I have lots of -- I have a pretty voracious reader.

GUTFELD: That means you read a lot.

PERINO: My favorite book of the last year was Charles Krauthammer's book, "Things That Matter." I thought it was excellent, and I did work on it. Just for full disclosure thing, but I thought that that was great.

I'm sure "Not Cool" will be on my list next year.

GUTFELD: I'd better be.

Bob, what happened to your swear jar?

BECKEL: Well, since I have not sworn much since they put a delay switch in here, and you may have noticed as you were watching the show, they delayed one of our segments because our executive producer became a wuss, and I said sit, not what he thought I said.

But no, I'm learning, you know? Even an old dog can learn old tricks.

GUTFELD: Well, that's good.

PERINO: New tricks?

BECKEL: New tricks.

GUTFELD: You're a fan of any trick. Sorry.

BECKEL: Probably two or three.

GUTFELD: OK, I apologize. Why do I do it?

BOLLING: Right back to it.

GUTFELD: Yes.

This is for me. Greg, what is your workout regimen and do you follow a strict diet?

TANTAROS: Good question.

GUTFELD: Yes. I do four hours of donkey calf raises shirtless. And instead of weights, I lose the body resistance of anybody I happen to meet and a shelter.

Now, I go on a stair climber, and I write my notes for the show. And I do like 50 minutes of weight, and I do the Atkins diet, even though I know that it's supposed to be not so great. It makes you lose weight.

BECKEL: And you drink a lot of wine.

GUTFELD: I drink a lot of wine which is good for the heart.

TANTAROS: You're allowed that on Atkins?

GUTFELD: I don't think so.

It's called a Gutfeld diet.

PERINO: No, it's considered -- that's fruit. Wine.

GUTFELD: Exactly, it is fruit. That's true. Well done, Dana.

Eric, this is from Victoria N. What are your favorite Friday dinner menus during Lent?

BOLLING: Wow. I guess pasta. Sushi. I adore sushi. I tell my wife, in fact, for Christmas, that's what she gave me. She gave five sushi dinners in a row. I didn't get any of them yet. I think I got one.

BECKEL: You can't eat fish during Lent?

BOLLING: You're supposed to eat fish.

GUTFELD: My mom forced us to eat frozen fish sticks.

BECKEL: That's what we have every Friday in public school because of all the Catholics.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's horrible.

BOLLING: Can I just point out, Dana still thinks she's going to get me to eat meat before the end of the year.

PERINO: A goal of mine. I'm asking for the cattle association for help.

GUTFELD: Send a cow.

BECKEL: That's already happened but go ahead.

GUTFELD: Andrea, how many Rush concerts have you attended? How many albums of theirs do you have? Would you consider accompanying me to Tahiti?

This is from K. Rove? No, John S.?

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: K. Rove?

GUTFELD: John S.

TANTAROS: Two. All of them, and yes.

GUTFELD: Interesting. John, send me your e-mail. We're working it out.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Yes, I'll go to Tahiti.

GUTFELD: Dana, this is from Georgia H. Do you miss the West? From a small town Wyoming girl, happy face.

PERINO: Oh, I love the happy face, thank you.

Yes, I do miss the West a lot. And I think about small town America a lot. Especially when I'm on a subway platform waiting three times for a train to go by so I can actually get on one.

But I like small towns, but I like cities. I like the beaches. I like mountains.

TANTAROS: You like it all.

GUTFELD: The only thing you don't like are mean people.

PERINO: I don't like mean people.

GUTFELD: She likes fireplaces and walks on the beach.

Bob --

BECKEL: Yes?

GUTFELD: This is from Steve B. If Dana went on vacation for a week, would you volunteer to dog-sit Jasper?

BECKEL: Not on your life.

PERINO: They should ask me that question. Would I let Jasper stay with him?

BECKEL: I would -- if Jasper and I were babysitting Jasper for a week, I would take Jasper to a pound and pay the money to have him stay there.

GUTFELD: Oh, God, I thought you were going to say something else.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: One of those places, New York, they put $150,000 a week to put a dumb dog in.

GUTFELD: It's a doggy hotel.

BECKEL: I wish they would stop the dogs in New York. All they do is crap everywhere. It's terrible, especially on the frozen ground.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: That's -- yes, OK.

Anyway, for me from Angel M. Greg, what do you do when you aren't on TV?

I think I got this last time. It's the same question.

What do I do? I do nothing. I do -- I have no hobbies.

PERINO: Let me answer for you.

GUTFELD: Sure.

PERINO: You write.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: You drink a lot of wine.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: You hang out with your wife.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: You go to the gym.

PERINO: And you watch "Justified" and "House of Cards."

GUTFELD: You left out the charity work that I don't do.

PERINO: Right.

TANTAROS: And the art films.

GUTFELD: Yes, and the art films currently displayed in Berlin.

BECKEL: Is there one for all of us?

GUTFELD: Yes, and I go around the table.

It's National Cereal Day. What was the breakfast you grew up on and what did you have today?

TANTAROS: Honeycomb and Froot Loops. Yogurt today.

BECKEL: Cheerios. Cheerios, Cheerios, because Annette Funicello was the one who advertised it.

GUTFELD: I never liked Cheerios, because the people in my class always had Cheerio breath.

PERINO: That -- it's a bad smell.

GUTFELD: Cheerio breath. It's like OT...

BECKEL: I've got to sit next to your wine breath. I mean -- go ahead.

BOLLING: Cap'n Crunch with crunch berries and now just coffee.

BECKEL: What?

PERINO: I love Cap'n Crunch. This is a very difficult...

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: ... question for me, because I loved all of it. Lucky Charms, Corn Pops, Sugar Bear, oatmeal.

GUTFELD: Sugar -- Sugar Bears smelled like skunks. That sweet, gross smell.

They're telling me to go.

PERINO: Fruity Puffs.

GUTFELD: Sugar Puffs. I like, and I bet nobody is going to remember this, Quisp. Does anybody remember Quisp?

BOLLING: Brian Kilmeade -- you know this?

GUTFELD: No.

BOLLING: Brian Kilmeade grew up on it. No one heard of it, and Quisp sent him a box of Quisp cereal this week.

GUTFELD: I remember Quisp. They used to have a cereal rivalries, Quisp versus King Vitamin or something. But it's all Cap'n Crunch.

BECKEL: Cap'n Crunch is always the lion.

PERINO: Frosted Flakes.

BECKEL: Frosted Flakes, yes.

PERINO: I like the tiger, though, not a lion.

GUTFELD: It was a lot of sugar. All right. Why am I talking?

Because it's National Unplugging Day. That's next. Could you live a day without your BlackBerry or cell phone? Bob? Well, stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Excuse me. In this day and age -- this day of texting and twittering, which is what is happening around this table right now, and talking on our cell phones, we have a tenancy to disconnect from one other by burying ourselves in our devices. So today is digital (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is National Unplug Day.

TANTAROS: You're a sicko.

BECKEL: OK. I'm going to -- I'll start this thing, because as usual we've got about a minute for my segment. I actually only use this phone twice today for business. I unplugged, and I'm glad I did it. It was a peaceful day.

TANTAROS: You unplugged until the show started and then...

BECKEL: No, no, no. That was my bookie who called. But that -- I forgot to turn down the earphone.

GUTFELD: Can we just point out something obvious, that you were smoking an electric cigar, so you are on an electrical device right now?

You know that?

BECKEL: I hadn't thought about that. I will let you -- did you get away with that?

BOLLING: NO. Not only that, I have to recharge halfway through the day both of my phones. That's how -- I spend way too much time on it. I agree. It's an addiction. I can't give it up, though.

PERINO: I think that if they want to have a day like this, they need to do it on, like, the first Saturday of the month or something like that, because you can't work and be productive any more without it. Besides, Twitter and Facebook could not live a day without photographs of Jasper, so I sacrifice. I sacrifice.

BECKEL: All right. Greg, what do you think? Can you detach?

GUTFELD: OK. The great thing is that you chose to detach, which is easy for you, because you never respond to anybody. You don't read your e- mails; you don't read Twitter. You giving up technology is like a stripper giving up clothes.

BOLLING: That was one of the funniest e-mails today, too. Bob sent out an e-mail today, saying, "I'm off the grid." And Greg sent an e-mail back to everyone going, "And this is different how?"

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: Very funny. Go ahead.

TANTAROS: I love it when Porter, our producer, says who wants to volunteer to give up their electronic device. And the next e-mail he sends is, "Andrea, call me." I'll do it tomorrow. I unplug on the weekends.

BECKEL: He knows about Twitter. He can never do two things at one time. He reads that thing when you're trying to talk to him. Of course, then again, I took you to dinner one night, and that's what you did. Your head buried.

PERINO: You need to be a more interesting guest or host.

TANTAROS: Ooh.

BECKEL: All right. Nice talking to you. "One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: Time now for "One More Thing" -- Greg.

GUTFELD: It's time for...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I hate these people!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Not like I really, really hate these people, but when you're flying and people start crowding the entrance to the gate as they're boarding, you've got to relax. You've got to wait for your zone. That's why they call zones. And I know it's not your fault, because I know the airlines are so hard on baggage that everybody is freaking out, trying to get their bags up on the -- what do you call that?

PERINO: Overhead.

GUTFELD: It's turning into "Lord of the Flies." People are like eating each other. Enough. The gate agent has to take control of this.

Have everybody sit down. And everybody just be patient. Take some valium.

BECKEL: You know which people I hate? I hate those first-class snobs that keep bowling me over, trying to get in.

PERINO: They get irritated about the gate.

BECKEL: You're trying to get back there, is that right? OK. Moving on.

PERINO: OK. Speaking of travel, you went yesterday to the Leadership Institute in Colorado. And I just want to show this picture, because Greg met up with my -- let's see, my dad and my sister. Greg, and then their friend Nicole, Angie's friend Nicole was there. They are huge fans of Greg. And I would appreciate you mentioning them in the speech...

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: ... and also saying that Jasper is Dick Morris in a fur coat.

I heard about that.

BECKEL: Where did you get a tie?

TANTAROS: I love the Leadership Institute. You helped me speak there last year.

BOLLING: Yes. That's a fun place.

BECKEL: Why don't you get some shirts and you can button them and tie.

GUTFELD: Because I gained weight, and they don't.

BECKEL: I'm sorry. Sorry to ask that personal...

TANTAROS: It's the drinking on Atkins.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

TANTAROS: OK. I'm up next. So if you saw this article in Salon.com, one kid alleges that he lost his father to the hysteria of the Fox News Channel. He said that old white people are drowning in despair and rage.

He says that his father lost his mind thanks to Fox News.

Well, I reached out to the dad, and the dad said his son used to be a Republican, but he lost his son to the liberal academia. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GARY LYNGAR, FATHER: I remember when he first started, he kind of laughed at some of the way they thought, you know? But more and more as he got into it, you know, I guess he just changed.

TANTAROS: So you could argue, then -- right, Gary? -- "I lost my son to a raging liberal academia, right?

LYNGAR: Exactly. That's what I feel.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: That video on FoxNews.com in a new series called "Trending." And it's just online. Digital video. So there you go.

Next up, Roberto.

BECKEL: Bet you won't have many liberals on that "Trending" thing.

All right. You all know Willard Scott, the guy on "Today Show" that wishes everybody happy birthday. This is his latest birthday wish to a junior citizen from down in North Carolina. We got that?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLARD SCOTT, NBC'S "THE TODAY SHOW": Happy birthday from Smucker's.

Take a look. Elizabeth Woodard, Windsor, North Carolina, 104. Roma Leuthold, I love that name. That's a good name in a nursing home, 100 years old today. Portland. Great state of Oregon. Prettiest state in the country. Beautiful.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Willard sounds like he forgot to put this teeth in. The -- I used to listen to the news in local Washington. He's a good guy; he really is a nice fellow.

PERINO: I love Willard Scott.

BECKEL: He's 80 years old himself today. Eighty.

TANTAROS: You insult the men and then say he's a good guy and wish him a happy birthday. He needs to put his teeth in, happy birthday.

Great.

BECKEL: He's mumbling.

TANTAROS: Eric.

BOLLING: All right. Very quickly, tomorrow morning, "Cashin' In," we're going to talk about the entitlement mentality that's ruining our children, going from pajama boy to the -- you know, the chick in New Jersey who wants to sue her parents. It goes on and on. The liberal left is ruining our children.

And also Harry Reid, the unions; 55,000 union workers about to walk off the job in Nevada. Harry Reid.

By the way, #cashinin trending six weeks in a row. Do it one more week, next week, please.

PERINO: And then we get what?

GUTFELD: Seven.

TANTAROS: Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here on Monday. Have a great weekend, everyone. "Special Report" is next.

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Does Obama care more about entitlements than US military?

Published Tuesday, February 25, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Dana Perino , Eric Bolling , Bob Beckel , Brian Kilmeade

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 25, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

TANTAROS: So, does the commander-in-chief care more about entitlements than our military?

The Pentagon announced yesterday it wants to shrink our Army down to its smallest size since World War II as part of an effort to cut costs. The decision did not go over very well with former V.P. Dick Cheney.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

RICHARD CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: Obviously, I have been a strong supporter of Barack Obama, but this really is over the top. There's enormous long term damage to the military. He would much rather spend money on food tamps than a strong military or support for our troops.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. So, Dana, it does appear that President Obama is getting what we talked about yesterday, a long term goal was to shrink down our defense and expand the welfare state.

Here's my question. What do you think the American people care about most, the military or the welfare state?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, I think there's competing priorities, and that American people elect leaders to represent them and that this isn't necessarily what America would want. Of course, it's not easy to make cuts in any regard, and in fact, they did some military cuts to pension growth in the future, just in December. Two months later, the Congress restored those cuts. So, it's very difficult to do any sort of cutting.

I do think that Jay Nordlinger of National Review wrote a great piece today about President Obama's goal to shrink the military overall. And that he wanted a Republican secretary of defense to oversee that draw down as cover for his upcoming budget, which does definitely expand not just the welfare state, but spending on lots of different things, domestic programs. The priority, I think should be -- I'm always for more defense, I understand there could be cuts here and there, and there's waste, fraud, and as Bob has pointed, some of the programs needed to be pulled back and some of the equipment.

But I'm for a stronger defense. I think America constantly has to relearn the lesson and I don't want to do it again in the future.

TANTAROS: Very good point.

Eric, General Odierno, the Army's chief of staff, he came out and he said this soldier level would be absolutely way too small. He also said that we'd be at high risk to meet one major war.

Isn't the best way to prevent war to keep the strongest military?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I do, and this may surprise a lot of people, but I'm OK with this. I'm OK with a troop drawdown. I don't like the fact we're not becoming -- draw them down. Listen, we don't want to be boots in the ground in other countries anymore. We want to defend our soil, American interest abroad and here.

But let's do it smarter. Let's do it with drones, with air -- with the Air Force. Let's do it with submarines. I'm -- I think this is actually probably a smart thing to do.

My only problem is when you dig farther into what they're proposing is they're saying, freeze admiral and generals' pay. Slow down housing allowances at all levels of the military. Increase contributions for some former -- no longer active marines and other military service people.

So, in other words, it's going to cost you more if you're an ex- service person for health care, but if you're, you know, you're a kid sitting on your parents' couch, we're going to subsidize that.

So, let's make our military smarter, stronger, and we could do it with fewer actual troops.

TANTAROS: So balance the budget on the backs of those who have served and who have suffered.

Bob, I try to hold this together before you explode, and I want you to answer this honestly. The language that the president used when he explained the cuts and the language that Secretary Hagel used, he played into a little bit -- that war fatigue when he was talking about permanent war. I think he did this because even some libertarians may agree that this is a good idea.

So, it was interesting the way they phrased it as a lot of people would agree, we don't want a permanent war, all this democracy promotion.

Is that what they're trying to do here?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: And for good reason. We have been at war long enough. And we keep going over. And we're the policemen of the world.

We no longer need a 600-fleet Navy. We do not need to cover -- listen, one of the things, we've got 1,000 generals and admirals. There ain't no boats for the admirals so they sit there and draw pictures of things and do -- you know, I mean, it's an enormous waste of money over there.

They have tanks. The Congress forced tanks. They didn't want tanks presumably. The last great tank battle was Patton in the Second World War.

PERINO: But, Bob, that's not what we're talking about there. He's talking about cutting payments, salaries and benefits. Not talking about equipment.

BECKEL: No, no, they're talking about the F-35. They're talking about the F-35. They're talking about the new tank that they want to force down everybody's throat.

TANTAROS: How about the tanks we gave the Muslim Brotherhood, those Abrams tanks. That would be a good way to start cutting.

BECKEL: We have got -- you keep talking about all the places where there's terrorism. Eric's put his finger on it. We can no longer go over and be the policemen of the world. Let's protect our interests, protect our allies' interest, but we do not have to circle this globe with United States military presence, and a lot of that budget, it's doubled.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Brian, isn't that two different arguments?

BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: While we are going to draw down because we're going to focus on ourselves, our enemies are getting bigger, stronger, and meaner. And our allies, sadly, we don't have a say in their budget. They are not building up.

So, we have to deal with the Navy with a set of 52 ships. We have 32 ships. Instead of 450,000 -- 522,000 people guarding 300 million people, we can't afford to keep up. We have to cut down to 450,000 people. We have to cut another $600 billion out of the Pentagon budget.

This is the third major cut to the only part of the government that is working efficiently. These guys need to be bolstered. These guys need to be brought up. This health insurance needs to be re-enforced.

These guys and these women deserve it. You want to look at other areas to cut. This is the only area I would not cut.

BECKEL: Brian, what are you talking about? $600 billion cut, it's only $603 billion --

KILMEADE: Over 10 years. Another $600 billion over the next 10 years.

TANTAROS: We have the full screen, Eric, if you want to walk us through. There's mandatory entitlements versus military spending. Look at the biggest difference here. Where does all the money? Entitlements.

BOLLING: And the most part of that is continues to increase on the entitlement line, but the defense budget, the number keeps, coming down from 2010 to '12, it's down $18 billion.

BECKEL: Why can't you call right now for Social Security and Medicare to be cut? That's what's in there.

BOLLING: Look at the last one -- a huge drop in defense right there from $670 billion to $603 billion.

Here's the point, I would agree with you on we don't need to be policing all these other areas and we definitely shouldn't be the ones to go in places like Venezuela, Syria, Kiev, Ukraine, because it's their battle, it's their war.

But when some of our allies like Israel starts to get a little nervous about what's going on in Iran, then you have to help. But you don't do it

-- you can do it smarter with drones, with aircraft.

PERINO: Can I disagree, though? On Syria, actually, our intervention earlier in Syria would have helped our ally, Israel. I mean, it's all interconnected. And we don't get to decide who is going to attack us in the future.

TANTAROS: I've got to play a Bolton SOT, and you can react. That goes -- that actually goes to Dana's point.

(CROSSTALK)

KILMEADE: He's a diplomat.

BECKEL: He's diplomat your ass.

TANTAROS: Bob?

BECKEL: Sorry.

TANTAROS: He's a contributor and friend and he has an amazing mustache. At least give him that. Here's Bolton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN BOLTON, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: I think the president wants to reduce the size of the military, to reduce our international capabilities. This has nothing to do with budget savings given the extraordinary increase in budget expenditures on the domestic side. This is about the president reducing American power, doing it consciously and systematically.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: There's a big difference, though, Bob, in sending troops into war and being the world's policemen and maintaining a strong military at home and taking care of those who have served.

BECKEL: We have plenty of military at home. Bolton doesn't know what he's talking about.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Are you for cutting military pay?

BECKEL: No, I'm not for cutting military pay.

PERINO: OK.

BECKEL: I'm for cutting the number of military people. I think you should take the number of troops down and you sure should get rid of admirals and generals.

(CROSSTALK)

KILMEADE: Listen --

BECKEL: They don't have a boat for some of these admirals to be on.

KILMEADE: I have no idea about the breakdown of officers as opposed to --

BECKEL: I'm telling you. There's 1,000 of them.

KILMEADE: I'll go back to your point.

PERINO: Thank you.

KILMEADE: The president of the United States wanted to get a Republican secretary of defense. He had no idea how unpopular and unqualified Hagel would come off during these hearings. He tried to do it with Gates and Gates said essentially in his book, if they tried to do this with me, I would have resigned. So, he did a pre-emptive cut because he agrees with you. There's a lot of waste in the military and there's a lot of redundancy there.

But he wouldn't do it. Rumsfeld wouldn't do it. Cheney wouldn't do it. I wouldn't think Panetta would even do it.

So, he goes and gets Hagel out there to make the most contradictory speech I can remember. We have more threats and we have different threats than ever before, so we're going to accelerate the drawdown, fantastic.

Let's make sure we're definitely not ready for the new challenges.

BECKEL: I'm sorry, you just said that our enemies, our big enemies are growing and growing. Our big enemies is Russia and China and North Korea.

BOLLING: Iran.

BECKEL: And Iran. Combined, they don't add to up to half of what we spend in defense. Combined.

KILMEADE: Do you understand what we do now has everything to do with

--

BECKEL: That's the problem, I don't.

KILMEADE: In the next five years and the next 10 years, who were setting the table for now is using our technological advantage to get the most advantageous weapon system out there to keep our people safe for the maximum amount of money. So, if he can explain how R&D is going to save us boots on the ground, go ahead and do it.

TANTAROS: And, Bob, haven't you railed against the Chinese before, how they're growing in size and strength.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: The world is not becoming more safe. It's more dangerous.

Why would you draw down the military now?

KILMEADE: According to James Clapper, he says that.

PERINO: And a lot of that is coming from the cyber terrorism world.

And part of the thing I think is important is recruitment. We need really smart young people, engineers that are willing to go into the military, and they need to be assured that they will be able to get the pay and equipment.

But that -- this proposal does not tell any young person at MIT they should choose the military as a career. Even if they want to, they would probably look at this type of trend in the United States and think that's not where I want to be. But we should want them to be there.

BECKEL: You're exactly right about that. We should do that and we should take a look at what the future looks like. And that means not having people on the ground everywhere. We don't need all these soldiers.

TANTAROS: Two different things, Bob. I think a lot of us would agree with you on that point, but that's not what we're debating.

BOLLING: And I do agree with you. I think you're right. I think Dana is right. I think you're kind of saying the same thing, that the future battlefield shouldn't be a dirt road in a foreign country. The future battlefield is the Internet.

KILMEADE: It's not our choice.

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: Well --

BECKEL: What's not our choice?

BOLLING: Well, I think it is our choice. I think we can become, you know, instead of losing Ed Snowden, make sure we have more Ed Snowdens that are smarter than the rest of the world.

KILMEADE: Ed Snowden is probably the worse example.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You want to go to Ukraine? You want to put boots on the ground in Ukraine?

PERINO: Who in the world is suggesting boots on the ground in Ukraine? Do you want diplomacy, you have to back it up. Do you want to be respected in the world? Do you think the Chinese -- they're probably laughing. Bob, the enemy you talk about, they're laughing about this.

KILMEADE: The headlines around the world are America's decline.

TANTAROS: They're not just laughing, they're reloading and they're planning and they're seeing us get weak by the minute.

BOLLING: Reloading and aiming at us on American soil.

KILMEADE: Iran is building intercontinental missiles that can hit our shores, according to Israel, in the next 18 months.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Well, we had the Boston marathon. We had a number.

BOLLING: Boots for a military to attack Iran --

KILMEADE: If you told me, if you were the secretary of defense and you said, listen, I'm going to have less troops and more missile defense, if you said, I'm going to work more on cyber terrorism.

BOLLING: That's what they're saying.

KILMEADE: What I'm saying is but all we're hearing is drawdown, draw back, cut back, and deal with it, Pentagon. That's what Hagel announced.

BOLLING: To Obama's credit, he's using drones more aggressively than anyone has ever used and I think that's the right strategy.

KILMEADE: We like it, but we stopped in Pakistan, and that's where we need to do most.

BECKEL: Stopped in Pakistan.

KILMEADE: I love what he's done. I love what he did. We have stopped bombing in Pakistan.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

PERINO: You can't do -- there aren't enough drones in order to protect us long term.

I also think Secretary Gates said in his hearing before, the last proposal, that those would be catastrophic cuts. Sequestration has been something that even the administration said that has caused austerity. But now, the actual cuts come on the backs of the military.

Now, interestingly, in that chart you showed with the domestic spending entitlements versus the defense spending, the entitlement piece, that can only go up because of the situation in our country. So, now, again, if you ask me about priorities and what do Americans want? They should want the administration, the elected leaders, to deal with that problem so we don't have to have this fight about defense.

TANTAROS: We have to move on. But I would --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: For the people who put together the boards, you didn't put the fact that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, which is about 90 percent of the budget.

BOLLING: Those are accurate. Those screens are accurate.

BECKEL: Why don't you say what they are? They're not a bunch of hand outs to welfare people.

TANTAROS: Bob, even if we gutted the entire military, we'd still be over a trillion dollars in debt.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: That would be a good start, and the admirals.

TANTAROS: OK, we've got to move on. And we'll talk about why. I do believe the president is trying to gut the Department of Defense, coming up, so he can get something in exchange with Republicans.

But this just in from the department of gibberish. Samantha Power tweeted this over the weekend. Very strange. She tweeted out, "Daniel Pearl's story is a reminder that individual accountability and reconciliation are required to break cycles of violence." She's the U.N.

ambassador.

Dana, what was she trying to say there?

PERINO: Well, OK, so last night, when I tweeted one of my favorite sayings in PR is if you're explaining, you're losing. What I was talking about is her Twitter situation. The Daniel Pearl story is one of atrocious violence against an innocent person. If you use him and his story in a tweet, and you better make sure you know what you're talking about.

This goes to my theory that I don't believe that anybody in a position of power and influence in Washington, D.C., or on government, should do their own Twitter accounts. You Twitter to monitor the news, whatever, but if you don't know how to use 140 characters appropriately, should do everyone a favor and stay off it.

TANTAROS: Eric, she tried to amend the tweet, but this is a woman who has likened U.S. foreign policy to those of the Nazis. She said that we need a historical reckoning, which sounds like reconciliation in there, and she said instituting a mea culpa doctrine would enhance American credibility.

BOLLING: What we ran there was her tweet --

PERINO: Correction.

BOLLING: Was the correction. The original tweet was Daniel Pearl, blah blah, which is basically the most insulting thing you can possibly say to, (a), the pearl family, (b), The Wall Street Journal, (c), anyone, journalists and Americans.

This guy was murdered. This guy was murdered. She's blaming him for the murder?

BECKEL: It was a terrible thing to say, but where did she say about Nazis, comparing us to Nazis? That's just ridiculous.

TANTAROS: Oh, she did. I have a list of all her inflammatory comments --

BECKEL: She compared the United States with Nazis?

TANTAROS: Yes, she did.

BECKEL: Show me that, will you?

TANTAROS: She made anti-Israel comments. I have a binder on her. I have binders.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I'm absolutely shocked.

TANTAROS: Quickly, Brian.

KILMEADE: I will say just real quick, I read the whole speech. You're right. (INAUDIBLE) Daniel Pearl and pointed out that his foundation does something, not getting revenge, talks about forgiveness and openness. And I think that was the gist of what she was trying to get in 140 characters, to give her the benefit of the doubt.

But if you watch her, the way she says "I love the country, the greatest country on Earth", and kept saying it over and over again to Senator Marco Rubio, who was asking about the inflammatory statements --

TANTAROS: And she did say it after it was an award -- the Daniel Pearl Award and they defended her, however, the word reconciliation with her past --

KILMEADE: Bizarre.

TANTAROS: -- strange.

Before we go, tomorrow night on "The Five," a TV legend is going to join us right here, who is "Jeopardy" host Alex Trebek. He'll be right here at this table and we'll have plenty of questions for him this time. It's going to be a lot of fun. So, don't miss it.

Coming up next, "The Factor's" Jesse Watters hit the beach to get an update on -- remember him -- President Obama's most infamous food stamp recipient.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JESSE WATTERS, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": A lot of people do survive on minimum wage. Are you still eating lobster with the food stamps?

JASON GREENSLATE, SURFER: If it's on sale. I eat whatever is on sale.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: More on how surfer dude is faring in America's welfare system when we return.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five."

Remember the surfer dude who is dining on lobster and sushi with your money from food stamps? Jesse Watters caught up with little Spicoli.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WATTERS: Some people say, listen, you're a mooch.

GREENSLATE: Obviously, they don't know me. Because anybody who knows me, I'll give you the shirt off my back.

WATTERS: Do you know how much debt America is in right now?

GREENSLATE: No.

WATTERS: Seventeen trillion dollars. Do you think you taking food stamps is contributing to that debt? Because it is.

GREENSLATE: Do I have to apologize for the way the system is set up?

I don't feel like I need to apologize for it. It's just the way you're wording it kind of seems like I'm getting kind of the ruler on the hand, you know?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: So, funny thing is he's kind of right. He's playing the system. He's stretching the rules to their limits.

But what would you expect with $105 billion program that's almost tripled under Obamanomics. That's what you expect right there. Take a look at it.

But what's next? Strip clubs, liquor stores and pot dispensaries?

That's already going on, folks. Welcome to Obama's America.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: God Almighty. Did you write that?

BOLLING: I did.

BECKEL: You did? Welcome to Obama's America?

TANTAROS: Are you surprised?

BOLLING: So, the last year of the Bush presidency -- the last year of the Bush presidency, we spent $39 billion on food stamps.

BECKEL: OK. If I had a camera and money that our executive producer has, well, I could find you plenty of people, the 98 percent who use them for food on the table to feed people.

BOLLING: He uses his EBT card, he walked in the supermarket and he bought lobster --

BECKEL: So, everybody is like that. Everybody buys lobster, everybody buys pot?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: So, let's bring it around.

BECKEL: Oh, yes, there's an example.

KILMEADE: So food stamps are at $17 billion in 2000 and now they're at $79 billion. To put a face behind the numbers, I thought it was important that John Roberts talked to him two months ago? And you would think he got so much backlash, he would say I'm going to put a shirt on, stop smoking, stop driving around with my Escalade and probably get a full time job. Instead, he's not, and he embraces this interview, which is absolutely incredible.

What I also find quite interesting is that he's having all this success without any regret. And I think that if you could find a way to turn him around, Eric, you work with him, and you get him a part-time job where he has to wear a shirt and doesn't smoke cigarettes until 3:00 in the morning.

TANTAROS: Can we play the video?

BOLLING: He's the representative of literally millions of Americans.

BECKEL: Oh, come on. I can't believe you would say something like that.

BOLLING: Bob, look --

BECKEL: That's so outrageous. John Roberts went out and found somebody to use food stamps to feed their kids?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: He found somebody like this.

BOLLING: Have you looked ahead in the packet what's the second half of this block is about.

BECKEL: Going in and buying pot using ATMs.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I'll tell you what? Why don't we go to a house where they use food stamps to feed their kids?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We have New York and Colorado representative at the table.

Ands, in New York, to their credit -- by the way, the way it works is the states administer the EBT program, but it's federally funded. So, $105 billion was 2013.

But New York says, you know what? No more using your EBT card in strip clubs, liquor stores or anywhere else like this.

TANTAROS: Yes, they really are. You know, they tried to bring this bill to the floor twice before, but the liberal senate leader, Sheldon Silver, blocked it. They didn't want any accountability on this program.

Finally, the Republican senators said we've had enough. We're going to lose all the food stamp money for the people who actually do really need it. So, we're going to get our books in order.

I do disagree with you, though, Brian. The bear may change his fur, but he never changes his mind. You can put him in Jesse Waters' salmon colored polo, he's still going to be the guy. And it's generous to give the shirt off his back, but I don't think I want it.

KILMEADE: If you see him in his pants, he does not wear a shirt.

BOLLING: So, Dana, the other part of the story is in Colorado. They found last year that a lot of people were using their EBT cards --

BECKEL: Ooh, lots of people.

BOLLING: -- inside pots -- to the tune of $2 million.

TANTAROS: It happens all the time in New York.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Whatever.

TANTAROS: I see it all the time.

BOLLING: They're using their EBT card, getting cash and buying weed with it.

PERINO: Well, even though I'm not necessarily against the legalization of marijuana, I never did pot. I don't understand it. I don't -- I understand medical reasons, all that. I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing.

And even yesterday when we were talking about, what were we talking about?

BOLLING: Legalizing --

PERINO: Anyway, this whole pot experiment, to me, is just a little bit beyond the pale. The guy here, just because you can take advantage of a system doesn't mean you should. And I wonder where his parents are.

KILMEADE: Right.

PERINO: I hope they're embarrassed.

BOLLING: To my good friend, my good liberal friend here, the SNAP program, it's not called food stamps anymore. It's called SNAP -- supplemental what? And nutrition. What about liquor, lap dances, and pot is nutritional?

BECKEL: Let me just say, all these millions of people who get it, they're all going into pot stores and then they're going gambling, they're all going out for lobster.

BOLLING: Not all.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Why don't we have somebody in who --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: They don't want to put it on.

(CROSSTALK)

KILMEADE: But in Colorado, they had a Fox affiliate reporter go out and check the ATM cards in the liquor stores. There's over 100 EBT cards in those things. Now, they say, OK, we're going to regulate it. They go, yes, but on private ATMs which are located in most liquor stores and pot dispensaries, they do not have to go with that regulation.

TANTAROS: Can I finish my thought, please?

BECKEL: Yes.

TANTAROS: I have been in food emporiums which are nice grocery stores in the city and have seen women using EBT cards with a man's picture on it. You can use EBT cards, Eric, at the organic market in the East Village. You can get organic salmon, wild salmon. It's insanity.

BOLLING: Which is questionable in itself.  Dana --

PERINO: I would say two things. I think there should be a technological fix for this where you can figure out a way to limit what the card can be spent on.

But also, Bob, I think -- I understand your anger, but I also don't understand why liberals aren't more angry at him, because he's the one that is making a bad example for the rest --

BECKEL: I am.

PERINO: I don't think it's John Roberts' fault for finding him. I think it's his fault for being --

TANTAROS: I don't blame the guy. I don't.

BECKEL: People like that and people who buys organic salmon is out of their mind. Organic anything, they're out of their mind.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: It's not the servant's fault.

BECKEL: You're right, I wish we would make it clear that the vast majority of people do not take their ATM cards and buy --

BOLLING: No question about that. No one doubts that. The problem is

--

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: By the way, you want to limit some of it, don't use your EBT card for cash. Stop allowing EBT cards for cash. Use it for stuff -- food.

All right. O'Reilly has a no-spin zone, but "The View" might be the full spin zone. Uncle Joe Biden playing role of spin doctor with the lovelies of "The View". The topic: the huge success that is ObamaCare.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Joe Biden made his way back to "The View" today, this time to try to convince Americans to sign up for Obamacare before the deadline of March 31st. He didn't seem to want to talk about the CBO report that determined the health care law would cost the equivalent of 2 million jobs.

Instead, he said this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT: This is about freedom. How many of you are single women with children in a dead end job.

You're there because of your health insurance.

Now, you'd be able to do, make an independent choice. You want to stay in that job even though you can get health insurance absent that job?

And it gives women a great deal more freedom.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right. Andrea, so I can see good strategy, I think, from a White House standpoint to put Joe Biden on "The View", but is what they're saying nationally at all in accordance with the things people are reading in their own newspapers?

TANTAROS: No, and I think the facts he had to go on "The View" shows they desperately need women to sign up. And the fact he said single women, it was a life of Julia all over again. Single women become dependent on the government.

And I also think it's a bit out of touch because it means single women out there are sitting around worried about birth control and that's the number one issue that they're thinking about.

I don't believe that to be true. However, I was shocked in the last election they came out and voted in droves for President Obama when he said that he's willing to subsidize their sex lives.

So, look, I think that ObamaCare is in trouble. It's a nice play. Joe Biden did follow that up, Dana, by saying the vice president doesn't have a lot of power -- I thought, what the heck are you doing on "The View", Joe?

PERINO: Whoa, Frank Underwood might disagree with that.

KILMEADE: "House of Cards".

PERINO: "House of Cards" watchers should know that.

Brian, today, Secretary Sebelius had a little response on CBO. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, HHS SECRETARY: Seven million was not the administration. That was a CBO Congressional Budget Office prediction when the bill was first signed. I'm not quite sure where they even got their numbers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What does success look like?

SEBELIUS: I think success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of March 2014.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

PERINO: OK, Brian. Am I just living on a different planet? I think their explanations are getting more and more inexplicable.

KILMEADE: How could you move the goalpost and how is that permitted by your boss? I mean, you said it, 7 million is out there. I'm sure it wasn't on a big post like the deficit clock that keeps on flowing about two blocks from us.

But you have Kathleen Sebelius say, hey, it's not 7 million but we can get close, then we got to look at, OK, wait a minute, when we're talking about the CBO, and the program that now she feels strong enough to trump it, let's talk about the 30 million people that are still going to be uninsured when it's said and done. Let's talk about the thousands of jobs, according to the CBO, that still, they're going to be lost because of it.

And also, let's talk about what Joe Biden was talking about, the freedom. The freedom that sculptors are going to have to not have to wait tables, so they can get health insurance or they can paint, so other people can go and carve and do other things.

What about the fact that there's money there that has to be but put there so people who choose not to work no longer anchor to a job have to go into a pot, that horrible 1 percent is going to have more money in the pot, so that woman or that sculptor or that artist can do what they want to do without having another job.

TANTAROS: It's the opposite of freedom, too. It's saying, let us be your sugar daddy. Rely on us.

PERINO: Let me ask, Eric, here. Let's just say -- let's just say she can rewrite history and they only need the 3 million. I mean, is it -- is it possible their math could add up? That this program could be whole?

BOLLING: No, and the other problem is they're counting enrollees and not paid enrollees. They're talking about anyone who signs up, which we're finding out, somewhere around 4 out of 5, or maybe 3 out of 4 are Medicare, Medicaid recipients. So, they're taking from the system. I find it interesting when they originally scored ObamaCare and were trying to push it through from bill to law, they said it was revenue neutral and that was a CBO scoring.

The left thought it was the smartest thing they heard. They scored it neutral and they made a lot of changes and now, they don't like the way it's turning out, so the CBO is the most ridiculous group.

And pushing back on, Joe Biden saying 2,000 jobs -- 

PERINO: Yes, I don't know where he got that.

BOLLING: A million jobs. He said -- his math is really bad.

PERINO: Bob, Democrats I think on Wednesday, tomorrow, are going to start a full-court press to try to do some good PR about ObamaCare. Do you think it will move the needle for them?

BECKEL: Not much, but I will say that if you dropped in from Mars and you watched this show so far, this is what Obama wants. ObamaCare, he wants to support women's loose sex lives, he wants food stamps to be used to smoke dope --

PERINO: True.

BECKEL: -- buy lobster and buy an Escalade.

PERINO: True.

BECKEL: He wants to apologize to the Nazis and he wants to destroy the military. I say that guy ought to go.

TANTAROS: All those things are true.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: Unbelievable. Leave here one day and it gets even more outrageous that it normally is.

PERINO: But you know what's good? There's no politics for the rest of the show. So, got to stick around.

Still ahead --

BECKEL: Do you have a bad night, Porter, or what?

KILMEADE: Who is Porter?

BECKEL: Porter is the one who runs the show, I think. He's a right winger from Oklahoma.

PERINO: We've got to go.

We are going to talk about Cassius Clay and will the sport of boxing change forever when he had the match that stunned the world, Mohammed Ali.

His legacy, I know nothing about boxing. So, stick around.

KILMEADE: It's Earth-shattering news from 50 years ago.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KILMEADE: It was one of the greatest sports moments of the 20th century. I'm talking about February 25th, 1964. A young 22-year-old boxer named Cassius Clay knocked out champion Sonny Liston, supposed to be unbeatable, to win the heavyweight title. He renamed himself Muhammad Ali the next day.

Today marks 50 years since that day. No one could have predicted how that match would end, not even the greatest's own ringside team.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NARRATOR: Hardly anyone gave the challenger a chance against Sonny Liston, a cold, brutal ex-con with a devastating left hook. Even Clay's ringside physician, fight doctor, Fergie Pacheco, was concerned.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were really worried Liston was going to hurt Cassius Clay.

FERDIE PACHECO: Not hurt him, kill him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KILMEADE: But it didn't turn out that way at all. Here's Ali after the fight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MUHAMMAD ALI, BOXING LEGEND: So great, I don't have a mark on my face. And I upset Sonny Liston, and I just turned 22 years old. I must be the greatest. I am the king of the world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold it, hold it.

ALI: I'm a bad man. I took on the world. I took out the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KILMEADE: See, that fight had everything -- politics, civil rights, and race all wrapped up into one. It really got the '60s up to that roaring start.

But here's the big story today. The Washington Times had a freedom of information request and they got it. It turns out the FBI believed that that fight was fixed, and they have all different types of characters from the mob world, Barnett Magids, a big gambler, Ash Resnick, and Meyer Lansky, all involved in this.

Bob, you're a big boxing guy. You watch that fight, all eight rounds

-- as upsetting and shocking as it was, was it fixed?

BECKEL: If it was -- look, it may have been fixed. But there was no question he was beaten. Ali killed the guy. It wasn't -- there was no fix in this thing. If anybody had it fixed, they had a pretty bad bet on their hands because Ali was right, he didn't have a mark on his face.

Liston looked uglier than when he went in the ring. He's pretty ugly when he's in the ring. Ali was the single greatest fighter in the history of this world, and he knocked the hell out of him. It wasn't fixed.

KILMEADE: And he was at his best at the time, but, you know, he quit on his stool, Eric, with a torn shoulder, and X-rays revealed he had a torn muscle.

BOLLING: Yes, anyone who thinks professional boxing isn't fixed or wasn't fixed, maybe not now but then, is foolish. Yes, Ali was the greatest fighter of his time. Then, came along Mike Tyson. Clearly, in my opinion, the best fighter ever to step in a ring.

You want to talk about fixes. Find Tyson losing to Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas, those are two fixed fights.

PERINO: When that happened --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: When that happened, I was shocked.

KILMEADE: You were shocked? Andrea, do you want to weigh in on that?

TANTAROS: I mean, I remember that day well. It was riveting.

KILMEADE: You were minus nine at the time.

TANTAROS: Yes, more than that.

KILMEADE: I will say this, it's just amazing if you think about that fight at that time and boxing be the number one sport in the world at that time. You have Liston who is unbeatable, against Ali who comes out and talks like only Jack Johnson did prior. There's been 60 years since there's been an African-American said I'm the greatest, I'm the best. He gave a whole bunch of people --

TANTAROS: You run around the building saying that every day.

KILMEADE: Listen, I was so into Ali, I wanted to change my confirmation name to Muhammad. And I actually put --

PERINO: How did that go over?

KILMEADE: It didn't go over good, and my compromise was Cassius. And that didn't go over either.

BECKEL: Do you realize that he could not stay in hotels in Miami, because they would not allow blacks in.

BOLLING: And he spoke up about it.

BECKEL: He spoke up about it.

BOLLING: You're saying, I'm sorry, Ali at the top of his game and Tyson at the top of their game, you'd take Ali?

KILMEADE: Ali could adjust to different styles. Mike Tyson had one style. It was straight ahead. He could never understand and deal with somebody with reach, and no one could take a punch like Muhammad Ali.

BECKEL: I would disagree. I mean, I think that would be one of the evenest fights you've ever seen. I think there would be no favor to that fight.

KILMEADE: Did you see Holyfield fight Ali?

BECKEL: Yes, I did.

KILMEADE: Did you see -- did you see Buster Douglas fight Mike Tyson?

BECKEL: Yes, I did.

BOLLING: I don't know what they're talking about.

KILMEADE: During his prime, Ali would have knocked out Mike Tyson.

TANTAROS: All I know, Brian, is this. I don't think anyone is really willing to say that the mob was behind all this unless are you going to start my car after the show?

BECKEL: You know who the fixer was? It was Don King. There's a thug that should are been in jail.

KILMEADE: That's a non-sequitur.

BECKEL: I wanted to get my shot in at the squirrely-haired punk.

PERINO: Oh, my goodness.

KILMEADE: A lot of those fighters ended up broke.

BECKEL: Because he also took their money, stole it, and killed people.

Oh, sorry. I'm getting yelled at. Sorry.

KILMEADE: I'll move ahead. Fourteen minutes before the top of the hour. Next, big news in the world of gambling. Bob's got it when we return, only on "The Five."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Gambling history has just been made. This morning, the governors of Delaware and Nevada signed the first interstate gambling framework in the country. Under the deal, residents of those states will soon be able to play poker against each other online. It's a move that could potentially bring in millions of new revenue a year for both states.

Dana, let me start with you. You're not necessarily a big gambling fan. What do you think about the idea?

PERINO: So the idea, the appeal of this type of gambling, online gambling doesn't -- I don't understand it, personally, but I do think it is good that you have two governors facing up to the fact that this is going to be happening anyway, so they might as well cooperate and get the framework of a policy together so that they can make sure that they can manage it appropriately, to the extent possible. Online gambling, I guess, is -- it's the new Wild West.

BECKEL: Huge. Yes.

PERINO: So I think that the governors should be commended for working together on it.

BECKEL: What do you think?

BOLLING: I'm not going to tease you. I'll finish what I said.

TANTAROS: I think Delaware has been flirting with online gambling for a long time, and admittedly, I don't love gambling because I do think it's a pretty dangerous addiction that tears up families, but I don't think the government should tell people what they should do with their money.

Also, if they're allowing gambling, I fear some of these states are acknowledging that the business community has failed in the state, and they need to prop up their budgets and the resources and their economy by gambling, and I think that's a problem.

BECKEL: That's a very good point. What do you think?

KILMEADE: I worry about it. I worry about it, because most people I know can't just gamble just for fun once in a while. Now it's going to look to maximize revenue. I would love to see something a bit more productive.

I hate the idea of a lottery. I think it takes advantage of the very people that it's supposed to be -- supposed to be helping. It's bringing more revenue in for more social programs. I think, you know, if they have to talk to each other to maximize the gambling revenue, whatever.

BECKEL: I'm saving the libertarian for last.

BOLLING: No, no. This is a good thing. I push back on some of this because, like Dana, I agree. It's inevitable. But what is going on is people want to gamble now, and they have to go offshore to go do this.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: So that's great. Bring this back -- let us handle the gambling, the business of it, the taxation of it, and the profits of it, rather than these guys are literally making tens of millions of dollars in Bermuda and some of the Bahaman countries. And there's no -- there's no regulation. There's no way. These people are stealing our fellow gamblers' money.

BECKEL: I think you're exactly right about that, but you know what?

I'm a big poker player. And one thing that worries me about this, I'm all for it. But normally in poker, if you're a good poker player, you look at the other guy's eyes and see what they -- look what they're hiding (ph).

You can't do that online. So...

BOLLING: The best online poker players are the ones who win the tournaments when they're looking face-to-face.

BECKEL: Exactly right. That's the one thing. I wouldn't do it if I couldn't see my opponent's face, and I wouldn't want to play poker against them, particularly if it was to a meet (ph).

"One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." And I will kick it off. So finger-gate is no longer an unsolved mystery. Remember this infamous picture from the State of the Union of Joe Biden?

Well, last night, Biden was on Seth Myers' premiere of his late-night show, and Myers asked him what he was pointing at. The vice president said that he ran into one senator, who he didn't name, on the floor who said, "Hey, here, go to this guy."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SETH MYERS, HOST, NBC'S "THE LATE SHOW WITH SETH MYERS": So many finger guns. If there was an NRA for finger guns, you would be the president.

BIDEN: As we're walking over, a senior senator said, "Look, Joe, I know you and Barack are friends, but don't stand up for every damn thing he says." And I said, "All right." And then I counted. Seventeen times, this particular senator stood up in front of the president. So I went like this. I pointed at him. Talk about a suck-up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Seth Myers said if there was an NRA for finger guns, he'd be the president. My question is, why is he counting how many times the senator is standing up?

BOLLING: What else are you going to do, Andrea? It's so boring.

TANTAROS: Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So, the next -- or about to be approved forever stamp, take look at this stamp. Do we have the full-screen? There he is, Mr. Charlton Heston, who ran the NRA about from 1998 to 2003 and made that one comment, so infamous, when he held up the gun and said, "Mr. Gore, from my cold, dead hands."

TANTAROS: D.P.

PERINO: Last night, very exciting, we've been waiting for this moment. We got to go to Dierks Bentley's screening of his documentary for his new albumthat is out today called "Riser," and we got a little peek

at the documentary we can show you here.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIERKS BENTLEY, COUNTRY MUSIC STAR: It's just like writing a song, editing it all down from this story into a book. It has chapters. It really sums up who you are and when you read all those chapters together, ah, man, I know exactly who this guy is. I'm writing it to figure out who I am, as well.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: So the documentary is a chance for you to get to know him a little bit better. You've heard me talk about him, and if you don't like country music, just try out this album because I think it's really, really his best.

TANTAROS: He should hire you.

PERINO: He should hire me.

TANTAROS: Roberto.

BECKEL: Yes, first of all, I want to say to the person I'm about to speak about to his family, it is a tragedy indeed, but a fellow who was in Michigan was showing his girlfriend how safe guns are, handguns. He brought three guns that were unloaded, and he put them to his head and he said, "Let me show you why these things are so safe."

One didn't go off. Two didn't go off. The third one killed him. The

-- I would just say that this is one of the problems with handguns in homes. People die, and it's a tragedy.

TANTAROS: All right.

KILMEADE: On a different note, a lot of people say to me, what do we get you for your birthday and for special events? Like Fawkes Rebellion Day? And my answer is this. George Washington's letter just got put up for sale. The year is December 30th, 1778. "The British just decided to give up Philadelphia, go back to New York." The letter pumping up the Americans -- what would be Americans that we can win this thing, win out. He wrote the letter. The letter is available for $120,000.

Originally, the signer of the declaration, Cesar Rodney, he had this; he gave it up. Now it's available. So if you want to surprise me.

TANTAROS: How much?

KILMEADE: A hundred and twenty thousand.

BOLLING: You book -- your book, I read it. It's terrific. And everybody ought to buy it.

TANTAROS: Don't you have a birthday coming up? Maybe for your birthday?

Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow. "Special Report" up next.

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Critics pan Obama's threat to bypass Congress

Published Thursday, January 16, 2014 / The Five
With Kimberly Guilfoyle , Bob Beckel , Greg Gutfeld , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 16, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City -- and this is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

GUILFOYLE: Tonight, Hollywood targets your constitutional right to bear arms while peddling films that promote gun violence.

Wait until you hear what one of the most powerful men in Tinseltown plans on doing to try to destroy the NRA.

But first, forget about Congress. Forget about the Constitution. Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States is putting America on notice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I've got a pen, and I've got a phone, and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive action.

Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm going to do so. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: President Obama warning once again today that he doesn't need to follow the laws of the land to turn around the economy.

Well, a lot of Americans are concerned about that, including radio host Rush Limbaugh.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Ooh.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Surprise.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO HOST: He can do executive orders to make things fair.  He can do executive orders and executive actions to get rid of the unfairness. He's going to make this lousy country finally fair. Now, he might have a pen, and he might have a phone, but what he does not have is the constitutional power to run this country like a dictator.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: So, Rush calls it the moves of a dictator, and one prominent lawmaker is calling it lawlessness. Here's Senator John Cornyn.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN CORNYN, R-TEXAS: One of the most common questions I get back home in Texas is people wonder why can't you stop this? What do you do when you have an overly politicized executive branch, including Eric Holder, who refused to hold the president accountable, refused to enforce the law, and you get what we have now, which is essentially a lawlessness in the administration that is very troubling, to say the least.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: One thing I don't like is when you disrespect the law.

All right. So, Eric, moves of a dictator. Is Rush taking it too far, or is that exactly what this is?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: It's exactly what it is. I made a quick list.  Passing ObamaCare through back room deals, changing the ObamaCare law arbitrarily after it became law. That isn't in the Constitution either -- recess appointments when Congress isn't technically in recess. He did it - - he used an executive pen there. He sends drones to kill U.S. citizens, which is highly questionable.

These are all executive pen measures. So, when people talk -- by the way, he's going to take -- take things like gay rights, the environment and other special interest groups down the road as well. He's promised us he's going to do that.

So, when other presidents used the executive pen, they used to it for things like should we lower the flag at half mast for someone who died and things like that. When President Obama uses it, he changes the way America does business. So, him -- that pen in his hands is far more dangerous than any other president, at least in modern history, if not ever.

GUILFOYLE: And he's got three more years to use it. Let's hope it runs out of ink.

All right. Dana, your reaction, and welcome back.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Someone who does respect the law and did her civic duty on --

PERINO: I had jury duty and no one picked me.

OK.

GUTFELD: But you did condemn somebody to death which I thought was quite nice.

PERINO: Just the iPhone clicks were on. That was really irritating.

For a constitutional lawyer, sometimes I think the president does himself as much of a service as -- the gift that he has rhetorically, it's really rare that a president would actually lead with this as his option going into the State of the Union. He has what he thinks are some really good proposals. He could see if he could try -- at least try to bring the Congress around and then when they don't come around to proposals that he's going to announce in three weeks, then you could say -- all right, then I'm going to try to do executive action.

It's rare that they start with executive action. I also think that the other thing that he doesn't have is the power of the courts, and one of the things that businesses don't like is executive orders because they're not as solid as law, and the president in a fifth year of a presidency, soon to be the sixth, is actually starting to see that now, not just in the circuit courts, but all the way up to the Supreme Court which are overturning things that were decided earlier on by executive action, and then throwing everything back into disarray.

So, what American businesses are looking for are certainty and executive orders don't really get them that.

GUILFOYLE: All right. And, Greg, I'm noticing that your tie picks up on Dana's beautiful turtleneck. I just wanted to point that out, beautiful shade of turquoise.

GUTFELD: We're going to get to that later.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: I don't -- I'm not -- we always hear about this executive order stuff. I'm more interested in two factions.

One is the press. The media enables this thinking. They don't think Obama is accountable. They think he's mountable.

They don't speak truth to power. They hump it. They are willing to work for this man. They are OK if he's a dictator.

If Obama declared that every Tuesday is eat a dog day, the New York Times would ask Pekinese or west highland? 2010, Woody Allen said that he felt Barack Obama should be a dictator so that he could get things done, and the first thing obviously that Woody Allen wanted done is to make it legal to have sex with stepdaughters.

The other faction --

PERINO: Hard to get that passed through.

GUTFELD: I don't know, with our Congress.

American people, what about the American people? I think the president delights in the fact that they have been roofied by technology and pop culture. They're not conscious to any expansion of power, which is why they're happy to exist in this dependant decline.

Obama's basically writing on your face when you're passed out drunk.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, that is not nice. I mean, it's not happened to me, because I don't do that.

All right. So, Bob, you've been --

BECKEL: So Bob.

GUILFOYLE: -- you've been making nice noises compared to other ones you make.

BECKEL: Well, first of all, you notice every time you open the show, you always come to me last every single time?

GUILFOYLE: There's one way to look at that -- save the best or worst for last.

BECKEL: Let me clean up and clarify some of the stuff that's going around the table.

GUILFOYLE: You can have, we'll give you time.

BECKEL: First of all, he's not reversing any laws. Secondly, presidents do a lot more than signing executive orders about flags at half staff.  Every president has interpreted laws the way they think it should be interpreted.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BECKEL: If these guys are so upset about it, Limbaugh and Cornine (ph), whatever his name is, let him go to court instead of whining like a bunch of sissies. I mean, if they think this is so bad, go to court. You've got a way to get out of it.

PERINO: But they are going to court, and that was my point, Bob. For example, on the National Labor Relations Board, the president is about to be handed a serious defeat by the Supreme Court.

BECKEL: That's right. Well, that's fine. If that's the way it is.

PERINO: So they wasted our time for five years.

BECKEL: They're not going to do it on all these executive orders, maybe one or two will be struck down.

Wait a second, if he wants to do this thing, he's got the right to do it, and if these guys are just going to be little babies about it, talk about it. They get on the air. Limbaugh talks about it.

Well, Rush, you've got a lot of money. Sue him.

BOLLING: Isn't that what our job to do is right there in media --

GUILFOYLE: To discuss this --

BOLLING: -- to discuss what politicians --

BECKEL: Why don't you sue him? You've got a lot of money.

BOLLING: -- what politicians are doing so they stop doing it. We expose some of the stuff.

As Dana points out, the NLRB, what actually went on is, when Congress was away but not technically in recess, they were home, still in -- they never gaveled out. They are still in session. President Obama appointed, recess appointed three people to the NLRB board, three out of five people. He stacked that board without congressional, without Senate or any approval, and now we're finding out most of the rules that have come down for the last two or three years might have to be thrown out of court.

BECKEL: There's thousands of rules, and as far as I know there's three overturned.

BOLLING: You know how much money the American taxpayer has had wasted --

BECKEL: Wait a minute. When you get back to the reality, you talk about the National Labor Relations Board, which makes some sense because they did when they were in recess. But outside of that, the thousands of others he's done, have they been challenged? Have they been overturned?

PERINO: Bob, I think what Eric is saying is important. That means that the decisions that the NLRB has made, he's not talking about President Obama's executive action, that those NLRB decisions are now going to be in dispute as well. So that's the part of the uncertainty.

Let me also mention one thing -- four Democrats, it polls for them very well to call the government shutdown the Republican shutdown. You're going to hear that a lot, OK?

Just as that actually helps Democrats get their people out to vote in 2014, Democrats make a mistake if they don't think that this whole lawlessness, President Obama unhinged, not going through Congress. That actually polls very well for Republicans.

And in an off-year election with the helicopter in his sixth year and likely not going to win back the House and at risk of losing the Senate, this kind of messaging from Cornyn or Limbaugh or whoever it is actually helps Republicans.

BECKEL: So you think now, we've got two things, we've got ObamaCare and lawlessness. Those are the two main issues for Republicans?

PERINO: Jobs. Actually, you know what? Let's pivot back to jobs.

GUTFELD: But these issues are completely pointless. The solution for all the people that are complaining right now about President Obama is to find your Obama. Would you for God sake elect a winner? That's the issue here is the Republicans can't find a winner.

BECKEL: That's right, because they don't have one.

GUTFELD: That's my point. They've got to find one. Stop whining -- I'm with Bob about a lot of the whining because it's like do better, you know?

GUILFOYLE: Eric, answer that.

BOLLING: It's not whining. It's really not whining. It's President Obama using, abusing the executive order, abusing --

BECKEL: So say you.

BOLLING: So say a lot of people. I would say a lot of the taxpayers who are going to pay for a lot of the re-litigation of all these lawsuits that went through the NLRB and I can't think of the other ones but there's going to be countless, countless attacks on some of the decisions he's made with the executive pen. Countless.

That's us. That's our money, Bob.

PERINO: Let alone the hypocrisy.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: And the thing is --

GUILFOYLE: And he's a constitutional lawyer. He must have slept through class.

BECKEL: For one thing? ObamaCare hasn't won (ph) in the courts.

BOLLING: But changing the ObamaCare law on his own after it became law.

BECKEL: That's been in the courts and the appeals court took one of them and knocked it down.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Are you kidding it? They have been filing lawsuits -- the Supreme Court ruled on ObamaCare.

BOLLING: No, no, no, no. We're talking about after it became law. The Supreme Court says it's a law.

GUILFOYLE: And then he changed it.

BOLLING: President Obama said, you know what? I'm eliminating employers from the mandate.

He arbitrarily did it -- took it upon himself to change the law.

BECKEL: And that's in court.

PERINO: It hasn't been ruled on, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: It hasn't been decided on yet. And it begs the question, if he can do all that -- if a new president comes into office, can he just executive order and wipe it away?

BECKEL: If it's within the law, sure he can.

GUTFELD: But the issue here isn't what the president is doing, is who lets him do it. So, when a new president comes in, a Republican perhaps, will not have the same ability to pull these things off because the media won't let him. That's why I go back to the initial villain in all of this is the media, the mainstream media. Not reflected here, that are willing to let him do what he wants because inherently they agree.

GUILFOYLE: We'll end it on that note.

BECKEL: Good for them.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Next, one of the most powerful people in Hollywood is threatening to take down an organization that defends your right to bear arms. What movie mogul Harvey Weinstein just told Howard Stern he's going to try to do to wipe out the NRA.

And later, "The Daily Show" just put together the most dramatic and hysterical ode to "The Five" and it's getting a lot of buzz online. You must stick around for that. And our reaction, coming up on "The Five."

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back, y'all.

One of the things we do here on "The Five" is point out hypocrisy.  Politicians saying one thing and doing another, celebrities though are some of the worst offenders. Watch this clip from a Harvey Weinstein movie.

(VIDEO CLIP PLAYS)

BOLLING: And another Harvey Weinstein film.

(VIDEO CLIP PLAYS)

BOLLING: In fact, most of Harvey's movies involve guns, lots and lots of guns, so you could say Mr. Weinstein probably owes a substantial portion of his substantial fortune to guns.

Now, listen to Harvey Weinstein talking out of his substantial ass.

GUILFOYLE: Ooh.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

HOWARD STERN: Do you own a gun?

HARVEY WEINSTEIN: No.

STERN: You don't have any guns?

WEINSTEIN: No, I'd never want to have a gun. I don't think we need guns in this country and I hate it, and I think the NRA is a disaster area and I'm going to make a movie, I shouldn't say this, but I'll tell it to you, Howard. I'm going to make a move with Meryl Streep and we're going to take this issue head on and they're going to wish they weren't alive after I'm done with them.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. We'll bring it around. K.G., wish they weren't alive?

GUILFOYLE: Well, first of all, I feel traumatized by shooting the snowman in the face. Frosty never hurt anybody. Yes, this is such hypocrisy. You pocket millions and millions of dollars off of action movies, violent films.

You line your coffers with it and you make more films that have violence in it and then you have the audacity to go against an organization that is just saying, I want to protect our constitutional right to bear arms in a legal and thoughtful way with background checks that also don't want people to get shot and murdered, but it doesn't mean that you can't own a gun.

I mean, this makes no sense to me, and now, look what he's doing. He's luring Meryl Streep into it.

BOLLING: Bobby?

BECKEL: I think Harvey probably overstated the case a little bit, but I will say this. First of all, the NRA has stopped background checks at gun shows and done everything they possibly can to make it impossible to have reasonable gun control.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, where do you get this?

BOLLING: Where --

GUILFOYLE: Bob, Bob, Bob?

BECKEL: Wait a sec. Gun shows were exempted from background checks. Now, that's fine if that's what they want to do. I think there's 5 million law- abiding citizens who are members of the NRA and they are fine people. They have wanted to have their right to have a gun. I understand that.

The NRA itself is an organization on Route 66 in -- outside of Washington, D.C., is full of a bunch of right wing jerks who have tried to do everything they can to subvert reasonable debate and discussion.

BOLLING: Do they have a right to exist, the NRA?

BECKEL: Yes, barely. They have a right. Should they --

BOLLING: A lot of unions are doing the same thing on the left that the NRA is doing on the right.

BECKEL: I think the NRA is a horrible, decrepit, wretched place.

BOLLING: And some would say that about the Teamsters.

BECKEL: You already have.

BOLLING: Dana, a couple of movies, "Pulp Fiction", "Django Unchained," and "Glorious Bastards," "Killing Them Softly", "Sin City", all Harvey Weinstein movies, going on screen "Gangs of New York," "Kill Bill", goes on and on. He's very, very familiar with the guns.

PERINO: Those are all the movies that I've watched with my hands over my eyes.

GUILFOYLE: They're scary.

PERINO: I don't watch them. I can't do it. It makes me crazy.

He would do more of a favor in America to tackle gun violence if he would take on the teachers unions and do a movie about how teachers unions oppose school choice which basically leaves all these young people we're worried about that are getting guns and gang activity -- gang and drug activity all around the country. If they actually had access to better education, there would be actually less crime. That's my opinion.

This is a guy so divorced from reality, it's like a pimp who thinks he's helping women in the work force.

BECKEL: Did you say a pimp?

GUILFOYLE: What a good analogy, Dana.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Well, you meet certain people at jury duty.

BOLLING: Oh, boy, this is setting up a segment later in the show.

Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Dana unleashed.

Check her out.

GUTFELD: He used no facts, and that's the only way you can win a gun control argument is by operating on emotion.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: Weinstein appointed himself as the arbiter of your family safety.  When was the last time his life was in danger, probably choking on a veal chop. He doesn't need a gun because he has security. He travels in rarified air. His feet never touch the street -- feet, mind you, that he can't see because he's a corpulent cretin.

The reason why there's probably going to be more gun death because of what Bob mentioned about the NRA, subverting discussion. When you make extreme rhetoric about -- on both sides, there is no solution, there's no progress and he's doing the same thing. And he's suggesting people should lose all their guns. That's enough people to go buy their guns and it reflects kind of a class warfare, it's a fundamental hatred of people who have to protect themselves.

He doesn't have to protect himself because he's filthy rich. He has security. But the rest of America, they don't live like him. They have to have a gun at home.

He's going after poor people who want to protect themselves. He's a jackass.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, in dangerous neighborhood.

BOLLING: So, basically --

GUTFELD: He's advocating death.

BOLLING: So, what I'm understanding is he's going to put together a movie that vilifies the NRA, and I can only imagine what it's going to entail.  He's going to have, my guess is, you know, people who are stereotypical gun crazy who --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I think Harvey is a little bit removed from reality in all this.  Even I have conceded that there's nothing you're going to do to stop people from buying guns. I mean, that's -- apparently, their constitutional right, apparently.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But he wants to stop people who are law-abiding from buying guns. That's the problem. He's not getting any impact with the gang members.

BECKEL: He wants to do away with all guns. I personally would like to do away with all handguns.

GUTFELD: He said he didn't want people ownership. He said he didn't want -- for private ownership.

BECKEL: Well, if that's -- I didn't hear that part of what he said. If that's what he said then he really is off the reservation here, but the idea of putting on a movie that takes on the NRA, I say -- more power to you, Harvey. Make it as big as you can, as broad as you can and get as many stars as you can so many people will watch it, because the NRA needs to be exposed for what they are, which is a deconstructive force in American political and public dialogue.

GUTFELD: No one will go see this movie. No one.

PERINO: But it will still win an Oscar.

GUTFELD: Yes, it will win an Oscar, but no one go.

Politically driven ideological pulp doesn't (INAUDIBLE).

Look, "Lone Survivor" is huge. Hollywood does not understand that.

BOLLING: That's a gun movie.

GUTFELD: Yes, it is.

BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it there.

Straight ahead, we spend a lot of time explaining the ObamaCare train wreck for just about everybody in America. Now, get ready to watch funny man Jimmy Kimmel sum it up in 45 seconds.

Back in a second.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: All right. So, we told you earlier this week about ObamaCare's youth problem. There aren't a whole lot of young people signing up for the president's plan, and the ones who are will face higher cost than they might have realized.

Late night host Jimmy Kimmel just did a great job helping explain that with a hilarious parody. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN: They expect young people to buy insurance the same time PlayStation 4 comes out.

You know, if you want young people to sign up, maybe you shouldn't make the laws so you can stay on your parent's plan until you turn 26. What kid is going to say, no, thanks, mom and dad, I've got the premiums covered.

Just to make sure the younger people do sign up the Obama administration is rolling out a new ad campaign that's targeted specifically at the young and vibrant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi. I'm Alex, and this is my wife Martha. And we're both approaching the big 6-0.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we have health care issues to deal with.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not cheap.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But, fortunately, we don't have to pay for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you do.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's right. You young people are paying for our drugs and our doctors.

ANNOUNCER: The Affordable Care Act, next time, maybe pick up a newspaper.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

PERINO: Blogger Ace of Spades had a response to the piece, saying that, "I like everything about this except the part where he encourages young people to vote. Then he suggested pick up a newspaper once in a while. I'd reverse that sequence. Pick up a newspaper and then after reading it for a year or two, then start voting."

Greg, you just said that you think that's the best thing that's being done on health care?

GUTFELD: Yes. No, it should have been done two years ago but it was brilliant. Also, I don't think picking up a newspaper helps because every newspaper endorsed ObamaCare.

ObamaCare is to health care as a fart is to an elevator.

GUILFOYLE: Ew! Oh, so gross.

GUTFELD: And what kills me, Kimmel is an exception to the celebrities who are -- who are pushing this mess, who are the worst people because they are exempt from the very suffering that they are putting on everybody else.  They are the meth dealers who do not take their own product.

PERINO: Eric, when we were -- leading up to President Obama signing the bill into law, one of the things that we talked about and others, were trying to get a voice in on the discussion to say that this logically, economically, the rules of economics it will not work when it comes to the young people. Do you think that's going to bear out to be true, that the rules of economics are going to be proven once again?

BOLLING: It's happening right now. The numbers that the White House released themselves, HHS released, show 24 percent of young people of the signees are 24 percent of young people. They were expecting 40 and knew all the bad stuff was going to happen.

They never put paper -- pen to paper and looked at the numbers. There are so many numerical financial flaws in ObamaCare. Young people realize I'll take the penalty. I'll deal with whatever it takes for the next couple of years. Maybe a couple years down the road, they will start to pay.

But in the meantime, no one -- they are not going to sign up.

PERINO: And you hear them say --

BOLLING: It's going to cost us hundreds of billions that we didn't expect.

PERINO: Right. And you hear them say, well, and then I'll just hope I don't get into a car accident. They actually say that.

Bob, you wanted to get these ads that Magic Johnson and Alonzo Mourning have been chosen by HHS as two of the spokespeople to try to get young people to buy insurance. Let's look at those.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, OBAMACARE AD)

MAGIC JOHNSON, FORMER NBA PLAYER: Young people think they are Superman, like nothing is ever going to happen to them. But trust me, one day, something is going to happen and you're going to need a quality health plan. So, make sure you get ObamaCare.

ALONZO MOURNING, FORMER NABA PLYAER: I was at the top of my game. I felt invincible. But when I went for my regular team physical, it turned out I had a serious kidney disease. It was caught in time to treat it and lucky for me, I was insured.

Enroll today so you can stay in the game.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Those ads seem very well done, but they had employer-sponsored insurance. What they are trying to do is get kids to pay for it themselves.

BECKEL: Yes. Well, I mean, first of all, I think they are very good ads.

The Kimmel thing, let me point out, it's cute and all that. But the fact is two things: one, we've been -- younger people have been paying for older people for the last 40 years so I don't know why that's anything new.  Secondly, what we don't include in this 24 percent are the number of people, as Greg pointed out, who are in their parents plan at 26 and under, which are probably a lot.

So I don't know what percentage of young people really are insured now but my guess is a lot and that was ObamaCare that did that. So I would include that as part of ObamaCare. Everybody who is under their parents plan --

BOLLING: Yes, but they knew that.

BECKEL: Huh? I just -- I just want -- I want you to add it to the figure you're talking about.

BOLLING: No, no, I don't have to add it because they themselves said we expect 40 percent of the enrollees --

BECKEL: There's no question about that. They are way behind, I accept that.

But I think the idea of using people like this to --

GUILFOYLE: Creative.

BECKEL: It is creative, and it's the right thing to do because eventually these people will have to have insurance, they just are.

GUILFOYLE: Here's the problem. They are trying to get after the invincibles, right? The 19 to 29-year-olds, OK, Magic Johnson and Alonzo Mourning, I've heard of you before, but I'm young guy, you know. These things happen to you when you're older. They still feel they have time.  Why is it that they are going to take whatever discretionary money they feel they have left over to put into a system --

BECKEL: Because most of them are on mom and pop's health care plan.  That's why.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it's a not disincentive. It's not going to happen. So, we're not going to get the cash from them.

BECKEL: There's no disincentive when you're on your parent's plan.

GUILFOYLE: Right. But what I'm saying is they are already on the parent's plan so there's no motivating factor for them to try to do anything else.

BECKEL: Why should they?

GUILFOYLE: So, they're not going to give over their money. It's cute and charming to try and --

BOLLING: They shouldn't. You're right.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: When they get off the parents plans, they should.

GUILFOYLE: That's what we just said.

BOLLING: -- is that young people shouldn't be on it, and they're not, and that's why the system, the whole ObamaCare, financials of it --

BECKEL: Excuse me. It's because of ObamaCare that they have their parents insurance.

PERINO: I know. But it's also because they can be on until they are 26 that the president is currently in this predicament that they risk running into the death spiral with the insurance company and then the question will be, does the government -- does the taxpayer, you and I, bail out the health insurance companies?

GUTFELD: We probably will. Again, once again, celebrities are the doormats to power. It's funny that guy's name is Mourning because ObamaCare is creating nothing but misery for everybody.

Magic Johnson links his HIV and treatment to health care as though ObamaCare would provide the same level of care that a mega rich celebrity would get. Is he going to dump his coverage? Is he going to dump it and sign up for ObamaCare?

GUILFOYLE: No.

GUTFELD: Will any politician do that? Of course not, because it's terrible.

GUILFOYLE: They need Dennis Rodman for these ads.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: He's a little busy.

BECKEL: By the way, hundreds of billions on health care, we spend $1 trillion on war. Do you think that's well spent?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: War works.

BECKEL: War works. It works real well. Take a look at Iraq.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I am, we won that war.

BECKEL: No, we didn't. Fallujah has been taken over again.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Why is that?

BECKEL: Why?

GUTFELD: President Obama.

PERINO: Don't you love it.

BECKEL: President Obama?

PERINO: Don't you love it when Bob makes our point, it's great, like a walk around the park.

BECKEL: Are you kidding me, President Obama, because he actually pulled troops out after a ten-year war?

BOLLING: Can we stay on this one more second? The reason young people aren't signing up -- under ObamaCare the deductibles are so massive. What young person has $6,000, 7,000, $8,000, $9,000, $10,000 out of pocket, un front before he gets paid back a penny. They're not going to do it.

BECKEL: That's your math. Maybe it's true.

You know what you can do, if you let universal --

PERINO: We've got to go.

BECKEL: -- service (ph), that everybody get drafted and then they get covered by the government.

PERINO: Round and round the mulberry bush.

All right. Next up, a lot of people have been wondering what we've got to say about that epic skit "The Daily Show" just put together. It's about "The Five" and Greg and I especially got extra attention in it.

It was very charming. You're going to see what I'm talking about. It's quite something. Stick around.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Tuesday night the great "Daily Show" correspondent Samantha Bee attempted to unravel the charms of the massively successful show "The Five" through the magic of performance art, lampooning the cringing one-woman shows you find off Broadway.

She revealed one secret of the success -- a struggle between good and evil, the innocent and America's bad boy. Behold, beholders.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE, "THE DAILY SHOW")

JON STEWART, HOST: In 2011, Fox News premiered a novel new show "The Five." With more on "The Five," it's our own Samantha Bee.

Samantha, nice to see you.

SAMANTHA BEE, CORRESPONDENT: The truth about "The Five" is that it's as story as old as time, a story of love.

It's a tale of a winsome blond ingénue, Dana Perino, a young girl new to the big city, with big dreams and a heart so pure she makes Mary Poppins look like a disgusting (EXPLETIVE DELETED) bag.

PERINO: Should the detainees be given the "E" word in the first place.  We're going to discuss on "The Five."

GUILFOYLE: Erotica?

PERINO: I can't say that.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: The reason they don't start families is because they feel like they are not financially secure enough to start a family yet. Not that they are not having S-E-X.

BEE: She can't say S-E-X.

Now, nobody falls for a good girl harder than a bad boy. And no boy was badder than the rebelicious Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: I was on Percocet for seven days, best week of my life.

I'm drunk now. I've been drinking since two.

I gave three people hepatitis.

(LAUGHTER)

BEE: A pill-popping afternoon drunk who is riddled with hepatitis? There's got to be a catch.

Greg and Dana were total opposites. They should never have even been seated together, but once they were -- electric.

PERINO: Why do you do that to me? How do you have that power?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

(LAUGHTER)

BEE: She's not going to have just one suitor.

BOLLING: It's a game of high stakes international chess, so I put together a big old chessboard right here.

Can camera two take this? Because this is what you agreed to wear?

BEE: Really, Eric Bolling, prop comedy? That's not going to work on Dana.

Greg and Dana's love couldn't be denied. Not that others didn't try to pull them apart.

BECKEL: We put Gutfeld on here, we could have grilled Gutfeld -- no.

GUTFELD: That will be the best meat you ever had.

BECKEL: I'm sure it would be. That's what Dana tells me. Is that --

BEE: It turns out Greg and Dana had worse problems than scum Bob big pants.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: I want to wish a happy ninth anniversary to my wife Elena.

BEE: He has a wife?! You have a wife?!

You've broken all the hearts! Here, just take mine! I don't need it anymore!

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: I have like about 40 seconds left on here to talk, but I can't.

PERINO: It was great. She was hilarious.

GUTFELD: I will say it's an amazing tribute to the show. And also, it talks about the nature of obsession from "The Daily Show" and other TV shows that are like -- have this amazing interest in Fox News.

BECKEL: Do you realize how much time "The Daily Show" spends on this one, Mr. Bolling? It seems like every other show they have Eric up there, and they are taking him on, right?

GUILFOYLE: "Colbert," "Daily Show."

BECKEL: They don't like you as much. Don't like sponge Bob big pants.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Man, what a tribute. What a tribute to the show. A tribute to you guys.

GUTFELD: Pretty funny.

BOLLING: Can I ask?

GUTFELD: What?

BOLLING: Are your respective spouses upset with that at all?

PERINO: Thankfully, Elena is in Russia.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Yes, she's --

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean by that, Dana?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: We Skyped that morning, and she was fine.

PERINO: I had jury duty the last two days.

But you know what we decided to do yesterday morning because I thought -- I thought it was so well done.  We sent her some flowers yesterday from our heart to hers, to Samantha Bee.

GUILFOYLE: Since she ripped hers out for you, it's only fitting.

PERINO: She really put her heart into it, really, you have to say.

GUILFOYLE: And we like those turtlenecks, with the little "The Five" --

PERINO: Could we get some of those over here?

GUTFELD: One thing, A, she has a shirt that we don't even have.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: By the way -- what was I going to say? Oh, the reason why this is so good is that if "SNL" was doing --I was talking about this with Bob -- if "SNL" had done this, they would have found a person to play each one of us and it would have been clumsy. She actually did it as performance art, which was so clever and different and different and refreshing.

And every time somebody sends me a link to it, I have to look at it!

BECKEL: You know, it's amazing to me that they are able to put those cuts together to make that thing work.

GUTFELD: Somebody is watching this show.

BECKEL: They have to be, because how many people remember that barbecue, that was a July 4th day.

BOLLING: Two years ago.

GUILFOYLE: I remember when you went down to the chicken wing eating contest.

PERINO: Almost three.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Almost three years ago and somehow or another, without that piece, it wouldn't have worked with the --

PERINO: Here was one major failing of her piece, though.

BECKEL: What was that?

PERINO: That Jasper is not brought up at all.

BECKEL: We almost got through this show.

PERINO: Four days in a row, you didn't have Jasper talk.

GUTFELD: By the way, two inaccuracies about the pills. That was taking out of the context. I was talking about when I had my appendectomy. I said I had an appendectomy.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You're worried about the pills? What about the hepatitis you gave three people?

GUTFELD: I still regret that.

BOLLING: So, do you think they're done?

GUTFELD: I don't think you can do anything better than that.

BOLLING: Well, they -- there's a couple others they might go after.

GUILFOYLE: Me and Bob? Oh, my God, please.

BOLLING: I think there's -- they have a lot a fodder.

GUTFELD: They're going to do "Special Report" because there's a palpable tension between George Will and Krauthammer that cannot be denied.

PERINO: I agree. Who's smarter? Who is smarter?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I didn't notice that. Really?

GUTFELD: I'm joking.

GUILFOYLE: He's being facetious.

GUTFELD: All right. That was fun.

GUILFOYLE: Well done, "Daily Show."

GUTFELD: Coming up, the Oscar nominations are in. Kimberly has the list for best picture of the year. Was your favorite movie on it? Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Who is that? Van Halen? OK.

Would you want your hard-earned tax dollars going towards the purchase of pot? If you live in Colorado that might happen. The Colorado Senate has rejected a law that would have prohibited Food Stamp cards from being used at ATMs inside pot dispensaries.

EBT cards, as they're known cannot be used at ATMs inside liquor stores and casinos, so why should they be allowed here?

Kimberly, what about that?

GUILFOYLE: You know, I have a very different opinion about all of this. I think -- as you know, I'm against making marijuana legal.

BECKEL: Right.

GUILFOYLE: And, you know, for me I have a problem if people are going to be using what they should be using for food for marijuana, instead, EBT card, the whole deal. For me, I think it's -- I don't know.

GUTFELD: That's not a different take.

GUILFOYLE: Well, than other people at the table maybe...

BECKEL: Eric, you're...

GUILFOYLE: ... is my point.

BECKEL: ... against the sale of legal marijuana. Right?

BOLLING: No. I'm all for it.

BECKEL: You're a libertarian here.

BOLLING: Fair enough. The first two years of the show I was against it.  And I've embraced the whole legalization concept.

GUILFOYLE: Use welfare benefits to buy it?

BOLLING: No, no.

GUILFOYLE: You're freaking me out.

BOLLING: Allow me to finish. Legalize marijuana. Do not allow EBT cards to be used for pot, for porn, for drug...

BECKEL: Wait a minute. That's something, they're just using them for ATMs?

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: You can use it for your ATM and then go and buy liquor with it.

GUILFOYLE: Hello, Bob.

BECKEL: You can do that anyway, I assume.

BOLLING: Yes, but that's part of the problem. That's part of the EBT fraud that's going on. They're using it -- they're trading -- here's what they are doing. They're taking the EBT card, going to a bodega and saying, "There's 100 bucks on here."

GUILFOYLE: And now you're going to go buy pot instead of feed your kids?  That's awesome.

BECKEL: ... a girl that flew in from out of the country and came here to the big city, when you started you were absolutely -- you can't even look at pot smoking on the air.

PERINO: No. I could look at it. I didn't think that we should be showing pot-smoking paraphernalia if children were watching the show.

GUILFOYLE: Correct.

PERINO: Because I used to get so nervous when you'd walk by those shops, like on Colfax Avenue in Denver. I'd get so -- I'd get so nervous.

BECKEL: Why would you get nervous about it?

PERINO: Because it was illegal. Because all about -- it was all, at that time illegal activity, and they were trying to sell things that were legal to use in an illegal product and that bothered me.

But I have to say, I think that the Republicans in Colorado are going the wrong way on a one-way street, and it is a dead end. And I understand their frustration about the changes here, but they're going have to let some things fall apart, and then they're -- then they can go back and try to legislate it, because right now they are pushing way too many things up a hill. And they should be focusing on jobs and trying to win back some seats in Colorado.

BECKEL: Greg, what about you?

GUTFELD: I'm for legalization. The problem with legalization is we already have a dependent generation that's subsidized to oblivion. And will legal pot somehow slice another sliver of the population off of the productive world? But if that's the case, who cares, because we're already going down that path with illegal drug use and incarceration. I can't imagine it getting any worse.

BECKEL: I can't imagine why there's a big problem with using their cards at ATMs and marijuana stores, but that's all right. I don't like legalization.

BOLLING: You're not even supposed to use the card for things that aren't - - that you make at home.

BECKEL: What if you're walking down the street, and you need some cash and you see an ATM, and -- I go to a lot of places to get an ATM to use for cash.

BOLLING: It's for nutrition. It's for nutrition.

BECKEL: I understand that. They're not going in there to buy pot.

BOLLING: I understand, on the program (ph)...

BECKEL: Quick, around the table, the NFL has decided to allow players -- they're thinking about allowing players to use medical marijuana for pain in states where it's legal.

BOLLING: Great. I think they should go ahead and -- absolutely agree with that, and also let them shoot up steroids if they want to.

PERINO: I just wonder whatever happened to the power of Aleve.

BECKEL: There you go. Well, I can tell you that, the answer to that, but go ahead.

GUTFELD: I don't mind it. I have to add to it, though, that medical marijuana has been a Trojan horse for legalization. For the large part it is a ruse. Some people, it works.

BECKEL: Let me guess, you don't think it's a good idea?

GUILFOYLE: All right. Get a massage.

BECKEL: Get a massage. Hey, listen, now that's the answer. If everybody can get a good massage every day, you'd be much better off. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: I'll massage you every day if you don't yell in my ear.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: All right.

BECKEL: It's time now...

GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing."

PERINO: What's wrong with you, Bob?

BECKEL: Sorry, man. I thought I was supposed to read it.

GUILFOYLE: Did your brain leak out your ear?

BECKEL: A long time ago.

GUILFOYLE: You see what goes on around here? Hazard pay.

All right. I want to talk about the Oscars. My gosh. 2014 Oscars Best Picture nominees are "American Hustle." That's not talking about Bob.  "Captain Phillips," "Dallas Buyers Club," "Gravity," "Nebraska," "Philomena," "12 Years a Slave" and "The Wolf of Wall Street."

PERINO: And "Her."

GUILFOYLE: And "Her."

PERINO: Her? You?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Great, great.

Now let's compare that to the Razzies and see what you think, who made a better list. "After Earth," "Grown-Ups 2," "The Lone Ranger," "A Madea Christmas" and "Movie 43."

Now we're going to do our own little, like, Oscar predictions here, which I think is going to be very cool. But I do want to mention to you, notice that "Lone Survivor" was noticeably absent.

All right. Ms. Perino.

PERINO: OK. So I was jury duty the past two days. It's a lot of sitting around and Joshua, the producer, found this. This could have happened at jury duty, but it happened on an airplane.

Let's see if we can pull it up here. There we go. So this guy falls asleep on an airplane. You know it's very tempting to take pictures of things. This guy, they had to take a picture. He fell asleep with his finger on the slash button, just kept going and going and going and going.  And we thought that was very funny, Josh and I.

GUTFELD: That's hilarious.

PERINO: Isn't that cute?

GUTFELD: That's so hilarious. Do you feel that's real?

PERINO: I feel bad for the guy, because now he's going to have to, like, go in and, like, cut and delete.

GUILFOYLE: I hate doing that. Right? Copy and paste and you have to go back and, like, delete it all.

PERINO: It is a weird thing about taping somebody that you're sitting next to, like if you fall asleep in jury duty.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: And you tape it.

GUILFOYLE: Bob?

BECKEL: Well, it's -- Congress, particularly Republicans, have stopped extension of unemployment benefits. It's an interesting thing to recognize that now over -- for the first time in history over half the members of Congress are millionaires. The vast majority of those are Republicans.  Now, I still wonder...

GUTFELD: Bob, liar.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Why is that -- why is that...

PERINO: Why are you lying?

GUILFOYLE: He makes everything up.

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GUTFELD: You said vast.

BECKEL: Maybe I just thought that. The majority are Republicans, and it's no wonder that rich millionaires don't quite understand the importance of unemployment. The Republicans ought to learn that. But it will cost them at the polls, so good for them.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Once more let's cite the Beckel Institute.

OK -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So yesterday I signed up for Instagram. Today a new app.  It's really -- it's not that new, but it's really, really cool. Snap Chat where someone can send -- you can stuff and they can send stuff to you.  When you open it, it evaporates in anywhere between one and ten seconds.

So downloading it, opening it right here. Ready? I'll show you how it works. Open it up. I have a Snap chat right here, ready, and there.

GUILFOYLE: Like Clayton Morris.

GUTFELD: Oh, he's naked!

BOLLING: You see who that is?

GUILFOYLE: Senator Rand Paul.

BOLLING: Senator Rand Paul.

PERINO: Oh, my God. I like that.

BOLLING: Snap Chat.

GUILFOYLE: Very cool.

BOLLING: EB2016 and you follow me. We'll Snap.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Greg.

You running for president?

GUTFELD: All right. Deadspin, they captured this graphic from ESPN. If you look at it, it spells "butt." I have nothing more to add to this, other than every now and then God smiles upon us with a "butt."

GUILFOYLE: Aww. Don't give butts a bad name.

GUTFELD: We don't.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Everybody set your DVR, so you never miss an episode of "The Five." I'm going to see you right back here tomorrow.  "Special Report" is next.

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Did A&E do the right thing by suspending 'Duck Dynasty' star?

Published Thursday, December 19, 2013 / The Five
With Greg Gutfeld , Kimberly Guilfoyle , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Andrea Tantaros

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 19, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Andrea Tantaros.

This is "The Five."

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GUTFELD: What should we talk about today? Oh, yes, A&E has suspended "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson for his views on gays.

Now, you can call this a free speech issue, but it's really not. Robertson can still say whatever he wants, just not there, for a while. However, you can call the network cowardly. After all, they knew who Phil was and didn't mind sitting on that pile of money he made. To express shock over his opinions now is B.S.

This is repressive tolerance of fear of angry activists. If A&E had guts, they should have said, "Sorry, that's Phil."

As for Robertson's views on gays, he expressed a preference for female over males. If that's bigoted, most of America is bigoted.

As for the other gay stuff, well, humans have been around for 200,000 years.  Gay rights, 60 or 70 years. To expect everyone to turn on a dime at exactly the same time regarding a seismic change in belief, that's expecting a lot. You got to be patient.

But before the right screams boycott, pretend that I did a speech this morning where I said blacks were happier in the good, old days. How pissed off would my coworkers be? Robertson said a similar thing.

But, look, you can still like someone with flawed ideas, my wife married me. But coddle them with criticism or coddle them from criticism and you do them no favors. Look at Obama. His fall was driven by his silent cowardly peers -- that was for Bob.

But it's infantile to think we need protection from words. Words do not wound, actions do. Outrage is now just emotional exercise. It's going to the gym for your feelings.

So, Phil can say whatever he wants and gays and straights can mock him for it, and A&E can cover its butt and we can call him on it. But to think we're a country that can debate even the dumbest opinions, that becomes less true every day, and that's bad. For sunlight allows good ideas to grow and bad ones to dry up and die.

So, do you want to see the statement from A&E first?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes.

GUTFELD: Let's put that up.

All right. "Extremely disappointed to have to read Phil's comments which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series 'Duck Dynasty.'" Do they -- anyway, "In no way reflect A&E network, who have been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. The network has placed Phil in hiatus from filming indefinitely."

Bob, do you think they did the right thing?

BECKEL: I think they made a business decision. You know, they have a right to make a business decision. I mean, if you had Phil that grew up and stayed in the same area in Louisiana in the farm area, my guess is that was Phil being Phil. But the problem is some of these people now that the show has taken off as much as it has, these are probably things you keep in the family.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Somebody had that conversation with you, right?

BECKEL: Many times.

GUTFELD: Bob didn't listen.

BECKEL: But I think, no, I don't blame A&E for making the decision and it's clearly a business decision that they made.

GUTFELD: Wouldn't it be better, Eric, to have included this into the show?  Like if they were going to be honest, don't send him home, just make it part of the show?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, that would be an editorial decision. But Bob is right. They -- I'm all for the free market figuring out this rather than us telling whether -- I don't want to tell A&E they made a mistake.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: They made a decision to cater to or at least advertise to the gay community. That was their decision. Whether it's a good business decision, we'll find out. We'll see if the gay community says it was worthwhile or if it's a bad decision because if viewership goes down because of it, then they catered to the wrong group.

Let the free market figure it out. That's what the Constitution is for.  It says whatever the hell you want, just -- you bear the fruits of whatever you're saying in the aftermath. So, let's figure it out. By the way, it's not a crisis.

GUTFELD: Yes. What do you think, Andrea?

TANTAROS: Well, when I hear stories like this, I do feel sympathy for a person, because as someone who speaks for a living or writes for a living, sometimes you're worried you're one phrase away from an inartful comment that will start a firestorm of your own if it's misunderstood or not perceived.

And now, he did give a sincere apology. It did sound very sincere.  However, what he said was just something you shouldn't say.

I get it. People talk like this. I get it. He's from a different generation. It seemed to me, it was a pretty crude way of saying it and it was vulgar for the sake of being vulgar.

You know, I heard it and thought it was kind of offensive. You know, A&E definitely knew this was him from the get-go. I'm sure he said other things that they chose to edit out. And now that "G.Q." published it, they're on the chopping block I guess for some people that want them to get rid of him.

But why don't we stop talking about people's undercarriages? How about that? Can we do that? Maybe that would just be better?

BECKEL: What's an undercarriage?

GUTFELD: Don't ask.

TANTAROS: Your southern states, Bob.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

GUTFELD: K.G., I can't believe you agreed with everything you said. You said why are we talking about this? No, I'm kidding.

Is this about freedom of speech or fear of reprisal?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Perhaps it's about both, you know? And I think people need to realize even ducks don't come in politically correct packages, right? You sort of know what you're getting. People love the show.

This is a family that speaks its mind. So, if you don't like it, then don't watch the show. Take care of it that way. Reflect it in ratings.

But A&E now has to, walk this back, and now they've got Phil on a timeout, but the rest of the family not. I don't know. Sometimes you can't teach new things. If that's the way they think, that's they grew up, and to expect more than that is challenging.

I think you're setting yourself up for a fail. He shouldn't have said it, but you know?

BECKEL: If you watch this guy on the show, this is not a stupid man. This somebody who took -- realized how to make a lot of money out of a situation from duck calls. I think he must have -- he should have stopped and said to himself, this may be the things I believe but don't put it out in print because it's going to come back to haunt me.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, those interviews are tough. Sometimes you give magazine interviews. You talk to reporters. And you think something is off the record, or something is off comment --

BECKEL: Well, I've never said inartful myself. So, I don't know.

TANTAROS: But he compared homosexuality to bestiality which I believe is a crime. It is harsh what he said.

And then you look at somebody last night on the most fascinating people, Barbara Walters' special, she had both "Duck Dynasty" and she had the pope.  Now, the pope and Mr. Duck Dynasty share the same political views, but look at the difference between they articulate them as Christians.

The pope says, "I don't want to judge. If they want to seek God, let them seek God." It's a much more Christian way of doing it that what "Duck Dynasty" did.

BOLLING: Can I -- listen, I have to be careful with this, because I am by no means condoning anything that -- the way Phil phrased --

GUILFOYLE: Express himself, yes.

BOLLING: The way I understand this and I could be wrong, but he went through some of the trials and tribulations of life. His life was crashing and burning. He found Jesus as a savior, and then read the bible, believed the bible, and recited some verses from the bible in this interview.

GUILFOYLE: But that's the context. Right. That's what I'm talking about.

BOLLING: It's seen in negative light as where it may just be him discussing how he personally feels, which by the way comes directly from some portions of the bible.

GUTFELD: Yes. What about -- Bob, I want to ask you about this. There was an element that is oddly being overlooked when this whole thing broke. The other thing said about working with blacks and the idea that blacks were happier back then. He meant pre-entitlement and pre-welfare. He was basically talking about before the civil rights movement.

BECKEL: Right.

GUTFELD: Here's -- it's a very long quote, but he said he never saw the mistreatment of black person. "Blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks because I think I'm white trash.  They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them say, I tell you what, these doggone white people. Not a word. Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say they were happy. They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

What do you make of that?

BECKEL: What I make of it is it's the same line I've heard in the South during the civil rights movement over and over again. They're all happy.  Why you come around and mess around everybody is happy and they're singing?

Of course, they're not going to say anything to a white guy in a white community because they're going to get themselves in a lot of trouble.

I thought that was much inartful than what he said on the gay issue. But, again, it reflects his time. It's the old saw about all those black folks just fine and happy on the other side of the tracks. You know, I find that to be horrible.

GUTFELD: What's interesting, K.G., is that A&E is still having their "Duck Dynasty" marathon. So, clearly, they are upset. But they're not that upset.

GUILFOYLE: Because ducks rate.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. That's what this is about. It's about dollars and cents.  I think they did the bear minimum of what they thought was expected of them, that would be socially and politically responsible by saying Phil is going to sit it out.

But they're still running the show. They're still going to run the marathon. That's business in America. Get a little bit of the Paula Deen treatment and then we'll see where it goes from there.

BOLLING: There's a very good transition. Paula Deen and Phil Robertson getting dealt with and handled very quickly, and then you look at Martin Bashir who is basically never dealt with by MSNBC. They let him, I guess, walked away on his own.

GUILFOYLE: No walk of shame for him.

BOLLING: No walk of shame for him and there's --

GUILFOYLE: Alec Baldwin.

BOLLING: Alec Baldwin, where it took maybe a week or so before they decided to part their ways with Alec Baldwin as well.

So, on one hand, if you're conservative, maybe you get a little bit, a very prompt of treatment of when you say something wrong. And if you're liberal, they try and figure out if there's a way they can put the fire out before they let you go.

GUTFELD: I also notice that when something like this happens from a conservative thing, you have the activists who will rush to condemn, and then others will rush to defend. I always go back to we have to pick teams. It's never going to be black and white. They're always going to be like you say, the things he said were inartful. I disagree with things he said.

But at the same time, I want things to be said rather than to be suppressed, because it's the only way to have a debate, right?

TANTAROS: There's an article in "TIME" magazine by a gay writer who makes this point. And he actually quotes Bill Maher from the Paula Deen controversy who said, why when somebody says inflammatory or that we disagree with, or that's un-P.C., do we make them go away? Why not have a conversation about it?

Clearly, this "Duck Dynasty" star is sorry about it. He offered a sincere apology and we all make mistakes.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, bring it onto the show --

BECKEL: Did anybody, maybe I missed it. Did A&E say anything about the black things that he said, about black people? I don't think they did.

So, they're making a business decision. They're targeting the gay community. And I can understand, I've been a forceful proponent of gay rights, but also, when it gets down to it, I'm really surprised black leaders have not lashed out.

But more than that, that A&E did not say something in their statement about that he said about black.

GUILFOYLE: To get ahead of it, in case that's tomorrow's story.

BOLLING: There's a lot of side narrative going on. There are a lot of politicians -- political speaker who have lashed out at A&E. But they claim to be constitutionalists. I mean, there may be political hypocrisy going on right there.

So, if you believe the Constitution, I'll wave it a gain, sorry, don't get mad at me. But if you believe the First Amendment, Bill of Rights, James Madison, 1790-something, '91 or so, if you believe in that, you should be able to say something and just -- if you say something wrong, you're going to pay the price. But you shouldn't be told not to say it.

BECKEL: As we said at the front of the show, if A&E makes the decision to what you're saying, to them it's bad for them. They can get rid of it.

BOLLING: My point was not to condemn A&E for putting Phil on hiatus because all he did was state his beliefs. If you're a constitutionalist, you have to say, listen, he said his piece, but there's 1, 200 duck dynasty products in Walmart and various --

GUILFOYLE: They're everywhere.

BOLLING: They're everywhere, right? So --

GUILFOYLE: "Duck Dynasty" Chia Pets --

BOLLING: Maybe the gay community says, we don't buy those products right now and they'll feel it that way.

TANTAROS: Yes, I don't really get the free speech issue. If the government said you must fire him over this or you must keep him, that's free speech, Congress shall make no law. Phil still has freedom of speech.  It's just A&E doesn't have to broadcast it.

GUTFELD: Yes, I guess the thing is, it's the repressive tolerance that if I say my true beliefs, I lose my job. I won't go to jail, but I could lose my job by the force of activism and boycotting.

But I go back to what I said before, if I said something here inflammatory, it would affect all of you people. You would be angry at me.

GUILFOYLE: You seem to get away with it.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: I noticed that. Yes.

GUTFELD: No, if I were to do a speech and say similar thing about like blacks were better off in the good old days, that would bring embarrassment -- I believe embarrassment and shame to myself and also affect the show.  You have to think about those things.

And would Fox make a decision similar to A&E? Probably, I think. I don't know.

TANTAROS: I think it's the way you say it, right? So, if Phil said I prefer women to men, that would have been OK. I still think we live in a world where you can express your sexual preference.

GUTFELD: He was more graphic.

TANTAROS: He was more graphic.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You don't like the undercarriage.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's when I wrote the monologue, I actually couldn't say what he said because I would have ended up this trouble.

BOLLING: Just a medical term.

GUTFELD: They're all medical term. That's what I'll tell the police.  It's a medical term.

BECKEL: The producer told me not to say it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Not to say what?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: We made it through.

All right. Ahead on "The Five," Barbara Walters, you remember her, we never talk about her.

TANTAROS: Ever.

GUTFELD: She thinks Hillary Clinton is the most fascinating person in 2013. I -- please, somebody shoot me.

TANTAROS: OK.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWSBREAK)

TANTAROS: Well, Barbara Walters aired her 20th and final most fascinating people special last night. That's right, Greg. It's her last one.

GUTFELD: I didn't know.

TANTAROS: No, I got you tissues.

And out of all people in the world, she could choose for the grand finale, this was her choice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARBARA WALTERS, TV HOST: Remember at the beginning of the show, when the president of ABC News told us who should be the most fascinating person of 1993? Well, I guess he knew a thing or two. This program was born at the start of the Clinton era and it appears we may be at the dawn of another.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: I wonder if dreams of 2016 had more to do with Barbara's pick than 2013.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: OK, here it comes. When will you if you do decide whether or not you're going to run for president?

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, it's such a difficult decision. And it's one I'm not going to rush into.

WALTERS: If you ran and you became president, what would this call your husband, first spouse?

(LAUGHTER)

CLINTON: I have no idea. First mate, I don't know.

WALTERS: I would like you to know that I have not asked you about your hair.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: No Benghazi questions, Greg.

You know what, I'm fascinated that she thinks she's fascinating. That's the only fascinating about this pick.

GUTFELD: What has she done besides hide? She makes Waldo look like a glory hound. She's done absolutely nothing. This is the gearing up of the 2016 propaganda machine. It's actually disgusting how relentlessly tooty Walters can be, if tooty is a verb.

GUILFOYLE: You're going to have to apologize for that tomorrow.

TANTAROS: Eric, what do you think of the pick?

BOLLING: I'm trying to figure out what Hillary Clinton did. I mean, she was literally on the radars from the day she said four day Americans, what difference does it make? That's fascinating? I mean, that's all she can come up with? And she's been nowhere.

But you're right. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, now, Barbara Walters is going out with Hillary Clinton, the most fascinating person, there's nothing fascinating about her in 2013. Maybe 2014, probably 2016 might be fascinating, but certainly not 2013.

BECKEL: You don't think she's more fascinating than Miley Cyrus?

BOLLING: The pope? No.

GUILFOYLE: The pope?

BECKEL: Maybe the pope, but I mean, or Kim Kardashian and Kenya South (ph)?

TANTAROS: Why is she fascinating, Bob?

BECKEL: What?

TANTAROS: Why do you think she's fascinating?

BECKEL: Because I think she was an excellent secretary of state. I think she did a number of things. Because she brought eastern Europe more into connection with the United States. We've done a lot more in NATO. It's a lot stronger than it was.

She made the women's issue in China, made it a very a big deal. There's a number of things she did that were very, very impressive. She traveled the world effectively as a good representative --

GUTFELD: But look at the Middle East, Bob. Or don't look at Middle East.

BECKEL: No, has anybody solved the Middle East problems? No.

TANTAROS: OK.

Kimberly, isn't this what the media does? I mean, Barbara Walters talked about how she thought -- we thought Obama was the messiah. Hillary has her own messianic cult. Isn't this just the beginning of hers, starting to gear up?

GUILFOYLE: I think it is. I think Barbara Walters can do what she wants.  She had a long, illustrious successful career. I think she genuinely likes Hillary Clinton. I think she chose her friend and someone she wants to be president in 2016.

And I think if I had the career she did, I might pick my buddy too. I don't know. That's what I think.

BOLLING: Did you see -- did you happen to watch it last night anyone?

TANTAROS: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: I did.

BOLLING: What she did say was and may have been in an interview before.  But she did say it might not be the last one, after this all block, she says, well, you know, if it's really popular, we may come back and do it again like --

TANTAROS: Can I ask you something? If she does run, she had her own version of ObamaCare before ObamaCare and it was called Hillary Care. So, you see what happens when you leave her to her own devices, it's even more colossal than what we're seeing.

GUTFELD: It goes. But the Obama -- this makes you put the Obama bashing last couple of months in perspective, that it was cover for Hillary push.  It's like you watch the media going, oh, maybe he's not the messiah. Maybe he's not all we crack up to be. That's because they've already moved on to starting her campaign.

It must be great to have the media as your own propaganda arm. You don't have to work.

TANTAROS: So, you think Barbara said that, and was like, well, I thought he was the messiah -- no, wait, here she is.

GUTFELD: Exactly. I think it was transition.

BECKEL: I think the more interesting thing about this interview was she won't distance herself or outline the problems facing the country today in some detail, whether it was jobs, or small business, or the economy, on and on. And I think that was her own way of separating herself out from the Obama administration. And I think it was purposely done. She hit the right notes of things she wants to separate herself out from.

TANTAROS: Well, it will be interesting to see her trying to do that with Benghazi and with health care.

Eric, it looks like the public not giving her the same most fascinating award. According to a new poll, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey leads Hillary Clinton. That poll used to be I think the other way around.  He leads her 45 percent among registered, to Clinton's 42.

BOLLING: That's very, very interesting. I saw that this morning. And it's all the rate.

You know, look, I want to see a conservative win. Chris Christie is more conservative than her. So, I'm in favor of it.

BECKEL: The idea that she's losing to Christie right now is no surprise.  Democrats are not in good shape.

GUTFELD: Let's just admit though that she's likable? But Chris Christie is a lot more likable than -- I mean, you'd rather hang out with Christie than Hillary Clinton right?

BOLLING: Absolutely.

GUTFELD: I think that's going to be the big issue.

BOLLING: You ought to ask -- never mind.

TANTAROS: All right. Ahead on "The Five," someone else made it into Walters' most fascinating show last night and he's sitting right here at this table. Eric will tell you about that.

Plus, never-before-seen footage -- the emotional moment when Mitt Romney found out that he lost the election. You'll see it all coming up.

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

Back by popular demand, fastest seven minutes in TV, three stimulating topics, seven minutes of fly by one host who loves the segment.

First up, Miley Cyrus may have lost to Hillary last night but here she is telling Barbara what she credits for huge success with teen boys.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WALTERS: Why do you stick your tongue out all the time?

MILEY CYRUS, POP STAR: Because I get embarrassed to take pictures. I stick my tongue out because I don't know what else to do. My mom is the one that get most mad at me about the tongue. And now, people go, do the tongue thing --

(CROSSTALK)

WALTERS: I was just going to say, are you nervous with me?

CYRUS: No, I don't have to do it.

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP

BOLLING: Well, Bob, we were waiting for that one.

BECKEL: Yes, she's fascinating. She's got the tongue thing down just right. Best I can say.

GUILFOYLE: Move off of that.

BOLLING: That's all you've got, Miley? Honestly great singer, kind of fascinating to me. Am I wrong?

TANTAROS: Fascinating? I guess fascinating, you could use the word. Her interview was the one I liked the least. She says she gets shy and embarrassed. Did anyone see the video performance? I don't think she's very shy. The "Wrecking Ball" video doesn't seem shy.

BOLLING: I would call her more fascinating than Hillary.

BECKEL: What?

GUILFOYLE: I'm so grossed out by the situation I can't get to fascinating.

GUTFELD: She puts the "as" (ph) in fascinating.

BOLLING: Very good.

GUTFELD: Honestly, you know how I feel about Barbara Walters -- does she have naked pictures of Lou Dobbs? Because we keep talking about her. I know I have. But no --

BOLLING: What? You have naked pictures of Lou Dobbs?

GUTFELD: I'm so tired of Barbara Walters. Miley Cyrus looks like a teenage boy.

BOLLING: She's good singer.

Next up, Jake Tapper, ABC White House reporter turned CNN host coming clean about just how liberal those mainstream media guys really are.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The news media leans left, or no?

JAKE TAPPER, CNN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In places, yes, but not entirely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are moments but there's more to say about that.

TAPPER: But generally speaking, the kind of person who is a reporter in Washington, D.C. or New York City has never worked a minimum wage job outside of high school, has never experienced poverty, is not an evangelical Christian, like much of the country is. You don't see a lot of coverage of troops. You don't see a lot of coverage of faith.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: So, translated, Greg, the media is liberal.

GUTFELD: Yes, basically, what they're saying, he made a point that liberals tend to gravitate towards media. The better issue is once they get there, what do they do? They protect their turf, the media excludes before it includes. That's why they hate FNC so much, because FNC built their own club and we beat them to death with that club.

BOLLING: Yes.

And, K.G., he mentioned, Jake Tapper mentioned, you don't hear about the military.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: You do here.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he should have submitted his resume some place else. He seems to be on the right page and on the right point about being fair and balanced, about covering all news, paying attention, showing stories of the military and not just showing one liberal bias act.

I like that. I applaud him for his candor and honesty.

BECKEL: Are you fair and balanced?

GUILFOYLE: I think I am.

BECKEL: You are. I sit next to --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: We're an opinion show, Bob. We're not straight news here.

BECKEL: Kimberly is not a reporter. She's a conservative.

BOLLING: And point being?

BECKEL: Listen, the big surprise that liberals tend to be liberal -- media people tend to be liberal, we've gone through this for years. Yes, they do. They go to journalism school. Most turn out to be more on the left.  That's true.

I could come back to the point. If you want to be conservative media people, why don't the conservatives go to media school, and they can't get in.

BOLLING: Ah, maybe you hit the nail on the head, Bob. They go to journalism -- maybe journalism schools are liberal.

TNATAROS: Of course they are.

BECKEL: That's not true. That is not true.

TANTAROS: Bob, take a look at Columbia journalism. Most are liberal.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: That's wrong.

TANTAROS: These reporters, though, they should stay away from lunches.  That didn't look like a bunch. What did you call it, Greg?

GUTFELD: Like a hostage video. They looked unhappy.

TANTAROS: Because, wasn't it right before the 2008 election, that John Heilemann from "Politico" admitted the exact same thing and you had other reporters admitting every newsroom I've ever worked in has been mostly liberal. You hear this stuff.

BECKEL: So, what's wrong with that?

TANTAROS: Because you battle it out. You battle us everyday.

BOLLING: Because the media, Bob. It's the media. It's the public's only look into what's really going on. They have to be unbiased.

TANTAROS: They bill themselves as fair.

BOLLING: I got one more. Check out this Netflix documentary that captured the moment Mitt Romney realizes he lost the election, the last election.  Very powerful stuff. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't believe you're going to lose.

MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, what do you think you say in a concession speech?

ROMNEY: By the way, somebody have a number for the president?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do.

ROMNEY: OK. Haven't thought about that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: That was sad. His family was sad and depressed and felt bad for him. He was just being a gentleman and saying, "I should call the president." I thought -- it was a sad moment for the family. I think they wanted to do great things for the country. Their heart was in the right place. And I think he would have done incredible things, especially from a business perspective to help the economy.

BOLLING: Any thoughts on the inside look at the Romneys, behind the scenes, that special night especially?

TANTAROS: I felt more sorry for us than him. By far, if you compare the two men's records -- we can't see one of them, Obama's records. But I would love to compare the transcripts of Obama's. He's far smarter, he's far more experienced. They pegged him as a tax-dodging, women hating, evil villain. He was none of the three.

He's one of the most charitable and competent. And guess what? That's what we need, just someone that's competent.

BOLLING: Let me get Greg in here. We'll get to you in a second.

GUTFELD: The headline, "The Washington Post' headline was "Mitt really could have used this documentary" -- screw you, because even if this documentary was out there, you still would have demonized him as a religious crack pot.

It reminds me of the colluding media that portrayed a decent guy as evil and incompetent rube as a savior.

BECKEL: Listen, I happen to sat in one of those rooms the night that this happened. The difference it wasn't as close and Romney thought they're going to win. But I sat in that room. It's a very painful, painful moment, after all the work you put in and making it call to the sitting president of the United States.

I listened to my guy do it. It was difficult to do. I'm sympathetic with him. The reason Romney didn't win wasn't because he was such a great candidate. It's because he couldn't connect with people.

BOLLING: Last, Greg, they want to go. Forget about why won or lost, but can you imagine having cameras rolling while you found out you just lost?

BECKEL: We did.

BOLLING: With cameras rolling?

BECKEL: Yes, sure.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I'll pay for some of that stuff.

GUTFELD: You were rolling cigarettes.

BOLLING: All right. Next up on THE "The Five," folks in Hollywood have their bodies scrutinized by the media on a regular basis. One celebrity has had enough. Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence has an idea to make it stop, coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: Welcome back to "The Five."

Now, we all know it's not nice to make fun of someone's weight. But should it be outlawed. Well, here's Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence's suggestion to help make that kind of talk stop, at least on television.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JENNIFER LAWRENCE, ACTRESS: The word "fat", I just think it should be illegal to call somebody fat on TV. I mean, if we're regulating cigarettes and sex, and cuss words, because of the effect they have on our younger generation, why aren't we regulating things like calling people fat?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. So, prophetic words of wisdom, Bolling, or no? I mean, you're laughing.

BOLLING: She can say anything.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You just love her. Yes, you don't care.

BOLLING: Look, Cardinal Dolan yesterday said, the Good Lord made everyone in their own image, so you shouldn't be calling people fat. I agree with her on that.

GUTFELD: But you should have the right to call people fat.

BOLLING: That was my A-block, you can say whatever you want. You just pay the price.

GUTFELD: The irony is she's in the arts and she's arguing for the banning of speech. She's arguing to ban something that's allowed her income.

I get it. She's young. She's a hot actress. She's never had to use -- she just never had to think philosophically about the nature of free speech.

But it's a mark of an immature mind when you don't like something and you say, it needs to be banned. That happens not just actress, but with a lot of people. They get upset. They go, that has to be banned. I don't like what that person does. Sorry, you don't have to like it.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

GUTFELD: Damn it.

TANTAROS: What if I said, you know, I think the "Hunger Games" should be banned, because like, skinny people are hungry all the time and I think that's really mean because they can't help themselves. They try and put on weight. It's really sad.

This is like -- this is so ridiculous.

GUTFELD: I want to hear you do that a whole hour.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: Give me martini and I will.

By the way, someone get her a Constitution for Christmas. This is a free speech issue. Talk about it during the A-block, what is and what isn't.  This is. The A-block not exactly this.

She wants the government to make it illegal to use the word. She can't really do that.

BOLLING: You don't really think that's what she meant.

TANTAROS: Yes, I do.

BOLLING: I think she was just kind of being provocative.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: If she weren't hot, you would be on my side, Bolling.

BOLLING: If she wants to borrow my Constitution, she's welcome to.

GUILFOYLE: Anything else. Bob?

BECKEL: If she wants to borrow my waistline, she's welcome.

Listen, if someone is called fat all the time, I mean, I don't -- it doesn't bother me, really? What do I give a shi -- about it? It doesn't bother me.

GUTFELD: Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes, he's just getting started.

BECKEL: If that means if somehow -- if somebody who are overweight were denied a job, then I think that would be something I would complain about.  People use that word. You should see tweets I get about being fat. You know, all these red necks out there calling me fat all the time.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Can I make one very important -- when I was working at "RED EYE" from 2007 to 2009, I gained 40 pounds. And I was doing the show every night.

You know what got me to lose weight? Viewers calling me fat. I would get 30 or 40 e-mails a night saying you have a really fat face. That got me to lose weight. It worked.

BECKEL: It doesn't work with me. I really don't give a damn. I mean, I'm sorry.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but, Bob, you wouldn't be yourself. You'd be weird and scary --

BECKEL: Yes, I mean --

GUILFOYLE: And probably cranky.

BECKEL: What happens in you get caught in a snowstorm, and your car gets busted down. If you're fat, you can survive a lot longer.

GUTFELD: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: Right, skinny people --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: You can survive without eating for 20 days. You can't survive without water.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I can make it to 30. You're going to be dead at 18.

GUTFELD: You know, gangsters when they are shot -- overweight gangsters tend to survive because the bullets get stuck in the body fat.

GUILFOYLE: Not Notorious B.I.G.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: By the way, I did not swear, so I only got part of it out (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Bob has some advice for Democrats on how to dodge the ObamaCare disaster during elections next year. And we'd all like to hear it -- oh, yes, we would. There you go, Bob.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: President Barack Obama taking heat over "if you like your health insurance you can keep it." Many Democrats up for re-election in 2014 made similar promises, and the GOP is ready to pounce. Here's one such ad.  "The Washington Post" warns every Democrat should be scared in 2014.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On health care, Jeanne Shaheen didn't tell the truth.

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D), NEW HAMPSHIRE: You can keep your insurance if you like it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The facts: More than 20,000 New Hampshire patients have had their coverage cancelled, and Obama care offers only one insurer on New Hampshire's individual market. So next November, if you like your senator, you can keep her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Shaking to that. First of all, learn how to put an ad together, No. 1.

No. 2, look, if you're out there for the health-care reform act and you voted for it, you're not going to be able to run from it. One of the things you can say is it's going to be problems with it. It's not going to be nearly as many problems as these guys if there are. What you can say is we're trying to do something help people who are uninsured or underinsured.  And let the Republicans come up with one damn idea, just one. And that's the only thing they could run, because they've got nothing else to run on, because they're vacuous (ph). They stand for nothing, except to take care of right wing and rich people. That's how I'd deal with it.

GUTFELD: You know, if there's -- if there's any time to be young, libertarian and sexy, and want to enter politics, it's now. Obama care has opened a door the size of Kansas for a legion of young libertarian, small- government-minded people, and they should do it.

Best politicians, bar owners. If you're a bar owner, enter politics.

BECKEL: Yes, OK. Go ahead, Mr. Going to Defeat the Entire Democratic Party.

BOLLING: Look, there's only one thing you run on in 2014, and it's that you didn't vote for Obama care; you warned against Obama care. It's not working. It's going to cost, now the new numbers, over a trillion dollars.  It goes on and on. There will be four or five more shoes to drop between now and then.

Don't get suckered in, Republicans. Don't buy into any contraceptive talk, war on women, gay marriage; don't get -- jobs. Just stay on this one.

BECKEL: And don't mention the fact you've done nothing for the two years you've controlled the House, nothing.

BOLLING: Well, you've done something. The Democrats have done something.  They've screwed up the whole thing.

BECKEL: We'll see. It's not quite over yet, but the Republicans have done absolutely nothing, because they're brain dead.

TANTAROS: Bob, I don't see how you embrace this law. I really don't. I mean, Nancy Pelosi's line was "embrace the suck." Is that going to go on a bumper sticker?

BECKEL: Embrace the what?

TANTAROS: Embrace the suck of Obama care. Is that really going on the 2014 campaign for the Democrats?

BECKEL: I embrace the concept of insuring people who are not insured and helping people who are underinsured. This is not...

TANTAROS: The problem is there's more people without insurance.

BECKEL: Republicans -- the Republicans have squat.

BOLLING; Can I just tell you the poll that came out today. New York Times poll that came out today, 53 percent of uninsured -- 53 percent of uninsured are against Obama care.

BECKEL: Yes, that's right. You read The New York Times. Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I'm scared of you already. I think this is something they've got to hit hard. It resonates with everybody across party lines.  It's a winner. And stick with the message Obama care is bad for the country.

BECKEL: Yes, there's a message to be had. Do something to earn your pay, which Republicans don't do.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Bob.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Andrea.

TANTAROS: OK. These videos never get old. Watch this soldier, serving in Afghanistan, surprise his son by putting on some gear and getting out on the football field, surprising his son. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: So he dressed up as a football player from the opposing team.  And he finally revealed himself on the 50-yard line at the end of the game.  You just watch that emotional footage. They just never get old.

GUTFELD: All right. K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

GUTFELD: You're welcome.

GUILFOYLE: And I want to say thank you to all of you and for the producers and for "The Five." You're very sweet while Ronan is trying to recover from surgery. That's us when we left the hospital late last night. And yes, we did take the yellow hospital socks, because they look like Spongebob.

So he's had a little bit of a tough time recovering. But I did catch a smile there when we got to leave. And thank you guys for all your support and for the beautiful teddy bear and balloons that you sent us. That made him very happy today. And thank you, as well, to you out there.

BOLLING: Yes, I wasn't sure which teddy bear to go with, so I went with the one that was (UNINTELLIGIBLE) ...

BECKEL: The little... GUTFELD: Bottle of Scotch.

GUILFOYLE: No. And thank you to Dr. Jackie Jones and her team and Vanessa -- yes -- and Brooke (ph) for taking good care of him.

TANTAROS: The little socks...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

TANTAROS: ... they match Bob's tie. So Bob wants the socks.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Bob wants his version.

GUTFELD: They're actually my socks -- Eric.

BOLLING: Greg, can I be a real loser for a second with you? Do you mind?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: All right. So I got a bunch of tweets last night saying, "Hey, you were on the Barbara Walters special." Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARBARA WALTERS, ABC NEWS: That's Miley dancing at VMAs with Robin Thicke, her performance featuring perhaps the most creative use of a foam finger.

BOLLING: She puts that foam finger in places that will shock you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was really, really disturbing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I watched her performance last night with my hands over my eyes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: You saw me right in the middle there, right?

TANTAROS: You're famous. And fascinating.

BECKEL: That was 15 shows yesterday. OK. Now that was good. Very good.  And I think that -- I thought that was Miley twerking with you.

OK. Here's a good lesson for people that want to rob banks. A guy in Texas named Larry Hudis (ph) robbed the bank of 5,000 bucks, stuffed all the money in his pocket. Goes running back to his apartment, dropping bills as he runs along. Gets inside. When cops show up, because they caught him on videotape, guess what? He's all beat up, because old Larry was robbed. And all the money was taken out of his apartment. Which goes to show you that crime doesn't pay. And Larry probably is a registered Republican.

GUILFOYLE: Another dig.

GUTFELD: All criminals are Republicans, pretty much.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: I think they've done polling in prisons that find out otherwise.

BECKEL: Wall Street thieves (ph).

GUTFELD: Anyway, quickly, my "One More Thing." Justin Bieber claims he's retiring. I don't know if this is true or not. I hope it is. I think he should take a couple years off and work in a restaurant, you know, something real.

TANTAROS: He would be the worst server ever.

GUTFELD: He would.

BOLLING: Didn't he -- didn't he urinate in a restaurant?

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes, in the kitchen.

BOLLING: He should have to do that.

GUTFELD: He should work with real people for once.

GUILFOYLE: You like talking about him. I think you would be sad if he retired.

GUTFELD: We never see he and Miley Cyrus in the same room.

All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll be here back tomorrow. "Special Report" is next.

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Grinchy groups try to dampen the Christmas spirit

Published Tuesday, December 17, 2013 / The Five
With Eric Bolling , Andrea Tantaros , Bob Beckel , Dana Perino , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 17, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

BOLLING: We are eight days from Christmas and the world is awash in Christmas cheer, Christmas lights illuminating the world's children of all ages, Bob.

But here at home, atheists and the politically correct are hard at work trying to ruin Christmas for the kids.

Two examples, first up a tradition around for 50 years. NORAD has tracked Santa's sleigh using a very powerful radar system. Kids can log on to the website and track the path of Santa's sleigh and leave it to a group of grinchy, kids -- let's call it the grinchy group, campaign for a commercial-free childhood said that since fighter jets are escorting Santa's sleigh, NORAD is promoting violence and militarism.

Now, Bob, I literally brought my first dog's when he was 6 years old.

I brought him downstairs, he went on the website and tracked Santa freedom for the first day.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes. I mean, look, this whole thing you know what one of things that drive me crazy about this -- if people don't like Christmas decorations, put your own up. If you are Jewish, do that, the Muslims, you do that. Well, it maybe -- and then but I just think the whole idea is just -- it just infringes on my rights to have -- a way to celebrate a very important day to me. So I think they are all a bunch of Grinches and they should go away.

BECKEL: And see that video we are showing right there, that's the NORAD video. So what, the jet fighters are escorting Santa.

Dana, your thoughts on this one.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I wonder if the parents who are complaining about this, that their kids, that they don't want fighter jets around Santa's sleigh -- well, first of all, I would say what video games do they think their kids are playing?

BECKEL: Yes, right.

PERINO: Because the video games that the kids are asking for definitely have fighter jets and more involved. And also, NORAD is an amazing place. Every year, they do it just right. They never lose track.

BOLLING: Campaign for a commercial-free childhood.

Greg, I'm against the commercial-free childhood.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes, I think kids should be bombarded with commercials constantly.

But this is not about Christmas, this is about the military. I would not be surprised if this group is academically decapitated.

BECKEL: Exactly right.

GUTFELD: The fact is, if there was no military, there would be no Christmas or if there was, we would be the reindeer and we'd be pulling a Nazi sleigh. The military has done more for kids than pampers and pacifiers. So, they should be -- they should be a part of Christmas as much as possible.

BOLLING: And so are that pampers and pacifiers are good for parents, too.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's true. I'll use them on occasion.

PERINO: Oh, God.

BOLLING: Not exactly what I meant.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Every time we do one of these stories, it is some group against the military or kids. Like two things, if you could just give yourself a break around the holidays, can you just leave kids and the military alone? Just those two groups.

You know, I looked up this campaign for a commercial-free childhood, they are also the fun police that when they are not busy trying to stop Santa from getting here safely, they want to end the happy meal. They are the group behind getting rid of the happy meal, and the toys in the happy meal. So, they're against toys also.

You know, those bouncy chairs for infants that millions of parents --  

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Oh, Greg, have one of those in his office.

GUTFELD: I do. It's fantastic.

TANTAROS: Greg, you have one, you love it.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: They want to take your bouncy chair away because it's too much fun.

GUTFELD: They'll have to pry it from my cold bouncy hands.

BOLLING: And butt.

GUTFELD: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: How else do they think Santa gets here safely? He needs some fighter jets sometimes, right?

BOLLING: Exactly.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Every Christmas, we show pictures of servicemen and women who are overseas who are sending Christmas to their kids back home, you know?

And I think the idea of attacking this thing -- and you are exactly right, those jet fighters and video games shoot down more people, these people are getting Santa Claus here safely.

BOLLING: Exactly. Here's one that Bob is going to like. Next up, check out the Hunter family home in Newton, Mass, where Christmas lights burn bright and cheery. And now, listen to a letter that the crabby neighbors wrote to these people. The neighbors have a problem with the decorations. Hey, neighbors, call in your stockings.

Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY HUNTER, RECEIVED COMPLAINT ABOUT CHRISTMAS DISPLAY: "Not everybody in the neighborhood is Christian and many people do not wish to see such a flagrant display of your beliefs. You are, of course, free to worship as you believe, free to celebrate as you please, and free to have bad taste. But please have the good sense to do these things in the privacy of your own home, sincerely your neighbors."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. Go ahead.

PERINO: If you're actually sincere about something like that, you shouldn't have to read it from a letter, you should be able to say it from your heart.

BOLLING: Right. They didn't want to do that. They sent an anonymous letters from the neighbors.

GUTFELD: Can I confess? I actually wrote that letter, just so we would have a topic at Fox News.

In fact, I've been behind the war on Christmas for the last four years. I've been generating every one of these stories from my underground bunker. None of these things are real.

PERINO: It's all a mirage.

GUTFELD: It's all a mirage.

BOLLING: All right. I'm going to save Bob for last, because he does something like this on himself.

Ands, your thought?

TANTAROS: Maybe they just like lights. Who cares? It's their property. Let them decorate.

And you know what? If you don't like it, don't look at it. How about that? Or move, if you don't like it.

BOLLING: Did we mix Bob's house in there?

PERINO: Bob, do you get complaints?

BECKEL: I get complaints about people driving by the house. But that's beside the point. That's about traffic.

This woman says, she is not in good taste, number one.

BOLLING: Wait, wait, hold on. That was --

PERINO: She's recipient of the letter.

BOLLING: They were the homeowners, the neighbors anonymously sending the letter to her.

BECKEL: OK. The letter was not in good taste. But they said in the letter, if you don't like it, keep it in your own home. They are. It's on their property. They can do what they want with it.

I mean, if we want to -- listen, in this world, where there's so many depressing things, want to have a few lights. You don't like lights?

Then, you are in a dark world. And I've been there, it's an ugly place.

BOLLING: There's no evidence that they do the same thing that you do.

You take your plug and you plug into the neighbors lights.

BECKEL: Yes, that's right. Well, they're gone.

TANTAROS: And, Eric, real quick, that line about good taste, that told me these people are elitist snobs, like they're judging someone who's over the top about Christmas. It's like, oh, they're like, they are those people --

PERINO: They probably work at the university.

TANTAROS: Yes, they probably work at the university.

GUTFELD: You know, it is about -- it's about a leisure culture that has allowed people the time to gripe about things, that perhaps in the 1950s, you just got out of a war. You wouldn't explain about this sort of thing in ironic ways.

It is the military that allowed the freedom to complain about this stuff. We have a very great country that allows us to whine about stuff.

BOLLING: Right.

BECKEL: You know, if they did that to me, I have a lot of extra Christmas decorations. I would go right down to their house and decorate it about 3:00 in the morning.

PERINO: That's a great idea.

BECKEL: You know, just to let it see what it's like to have a few lights going on.

BOLLING: How about in the same spirit, the P.C. spirit. Yesterday, we showed you the drunken Santas fighting in the streets. Today, we're going to bring you these brawling broads at the Philly City Hall Christmas lighting. Now, it's in a couple of years old.

TANTAROS: (INAUDIBLE) Philly.

BOLLING: It's not brand new video. But, still nonetheless great.

Watch a little of this.

(VIDEO CLIP PLAYS)

GUTFELD: The music makes it great.

TANTAROS: Yes, exactly.

BOLLING: All right. So, Ands, Philly -- by the way, the two ladies were fighting for a spot closer to the city's Christmas tree lights.

TANTAROS: Philly, why? Why? I'm a Pennsylvania girl, why do you keep doing that? You keep fulfilling that stair row type we're just a violent meat heads that can't get along during the holidays.

BECKEL: That's true. It's -- I mean, there are a lot of meat heads out there. But, you know, it's one thing to fight at football games but to get in the front line for a Santa thing, what do these people thinking about? Where is the good cheer about Christmas?

I understand Greg. He is a Grinch. He's been that way all of his life. But I mean, for most people, people enjoy this season.

GUTFELD: Wait. Why is this season any different? Why are we saying, oh, you know what? It's the Christmas season, we shouldn't be fighting?

No, you should be fighting all of the time.

TANTAROS: That is every day in Philly.

BOLLING: Exactly. Have you been to a Philly game no matter what it is? If it's the Eagles, the Flyers, it doesn't matter. This stuff goes on. These are the same people just with Santa Claus hats on.

PERINO: I think it proves that America is overtired. By the end of year, you are running out of steam. You're trying to get to end of the year. You want to have a good time. You got to get all of the gifts, got all the stuff. And then you go to an event like that and you just lose your head because you're just exhausted.

GUTFELD: Is that what she's done, Dana?

PERINO: Sort of destroy (INAUDIBLE) and lie on the floor and fall asleep, cry myself to sleep.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: And you know what? Thank you, Wi-Fi people.

BOLLING: We'll talk about that later.

All right. Now, for the hope. An anonymous patron is leaving huge tips for waiters, waitresses and bartenders across the country. Check it out. In Portland, "Tips for Jesus" left a $5,000 tip on a $576 bar tab.

In Ann Arbor, Michigan, a 3 grand tip was left on a $87 tab by "Tips for Jesus".

And in Fairfield, Connecticut, a big tip for waiters at a college town restaurant known for cheap beer, $5,000 on a $112 tab and get this -- all documented on Instagram under the handle @TipsforJesus.

GUTFELD: Jesus has to be totally psyched because if there is a Jesus at every restaurant, he should demand that money.

BECKEL: No, that was Eric traveling to all of those plays. That's what it was, right?

BOLLING: You know what? I think this is the greatest idea ever. I mean, let's say you've either been left money or you want to leave money, or you want to -- this is the best idea I've ever heard. Go out, have a great dinner and then spread some of your wealth around.

This is a fantastic idea, I love this. Rather than having the government tell me what to do with it -- Dana.

PERINO: I would love to have enough money to be able to do something like that. I think that part -- that would be amazing.

GUTFELD: Are you living day-to-day, Dana? Real tough, huh, on this talk show money.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: Yes. It is so hard.

But I was going to say, a few weeks ago, Robert Reich (ph) came out and he's complaining about philanthropy in America and that there are some people give to the arts and sciences rather than to homeless people, and should there be some sort of better morals -- this was his point, not mine, that he was making and I think there are different ways to give and Tips for Jesus is --

BOLLING: And to that point, there are a lot of charities that give to where maybe 10 cents or 15 cents on the dollar actually get to the people in need. But I got to tell you something, bartenders and waitress and waitresses are people who are in need. I say this is great.

BECKEL: Greg, I mean, that was a terrible thing to say. I lot of people in Park West leave a tip for a check like that.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Well, if these tips are from Jesus, Jesus never made it into my parents' restaurant. All we got 15 percent to 20 percent of the time.

PERINO: Yes. What if you're the other waiter and it doesn't happen for you.

BECKEL: That's a good point.

TANTAROS: You know what? If you are the busboy, that's great because there's a tip share or if they have to tip --

PERINO: But what if they don't?

TANTAROS: Then, they get to take it home themselves.

BOLLING: And on Instagram by the way, there are waiters and waitresses who are sending their address saying, hey, come visit me, too.

GUTFELD: See, I think this is wrong, because until there are tips to Muhammad, this is bigoted.

TANTAROS: That's the point. There never will be.

BOLLING: That's interesting.

BECKEL: I'll make sure I get to line up.

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BOLLING: I wonder if they are tithing their big tip.

All right. There you go.

TANTAROS: They have to tithe to the government.

BOLLING: We do want to do this one, right? Do we have time for the last one?

What? All right. Let's do it.

Too school for school. Rasmussen reports a whopping 75 percent of adults surveyed believe Christmas is cool even in school, even in public school.

I'll bring it around.

Ands, your thoughts.

TANTAROS: Yes, why isn't it? We do these stories of people that getting so angry during the holiday season, I don't -- I don't see what the problem is. We are free and tolerant and supposed to be into tradition.

Anyone who's against Christmas in schools, again, it goes back to the fun police or you are from Philadelphia because you are fighting over the Andrea Bocelli song.

BECKEL: I get back to the point. I saw a Christmas pageant in my schools every year and if you want to have a pageant for another religion, have one.

BOLLING: Seventy-five percent --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I'm not surprised at the number but I think that it would probably be just as many that would say learn about Hanukkah, too.

BECKEL: Yes, sure.

PERINO: Sure, why not? Or Kwanza.

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't know.

Christmas to me is depressing and it reflects the consequence of aging. As you spend more time on the planet, you have less time in front of you. So, Christmas keeps coming faster. And for kids it seems like it takes forever to get there. But as an adult, it's like always around the corner, reminding you that you are going to die.

PERINO: Yes, but the baby Jesus comes and says you are going to live.

BECKEL: Greg, did you ever have a merry Christmas?

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: We'll leave it like that.

All right. Coming up, if there is one thing our government knows how to do very well. It's not health care, nor is it creating full time jobs.

Your government does know however how to spend and blow your money. The

2013 wastebook is out.

We've got the list of useless crap you're paying for. You're going to love it, kind of, when we come back.

PERINO: How is that fun, though (ph)?

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PERINO: All right. A bipartisan budget bill cleared a major hurdle in the Senate today, all but assuring its passage. And as early as tonight, it could be voted on.

Another shutdown would be averted, that's the goal of this bill.

But there is plenty of stuff you're still going to be paying for that lawmakers could have cut.

Senator Tom Coburn's annual wastebook is out and here are some of the highlights -- $124,000 for NASA to develop a pizza., that can be printed in 3D, $390,000 for NASA to produce a cartoon series that teaches kids about Greg's favorite subject, global warming, $325,000 on a study that Bob could have told you, that wives would mind marriage much more satisfied if they could calm down faster during arguments with their husband.

And how could we forget the $319 million blown on botched Healthcare.gov website.

This is always a fun day when the wastebook. Interesting it comes out on the same day they get a budget deal.

Bob, it's a long way from the Defense Department $700 toilet seat and things like that, do you think things have gotten better or are they just as bad as ever?

BECKEL: I think they are probably as bad as ever, but of course we listed these things that grab our viewers' attention, of course, ObamaCare had to be in there. But we don't mention Coburn (INAUDIBLE) defense budget after defense budget after defense budget for systems that nobody wants.

The Defense Department is always the largest number in this issue.

PERINO: OK. However, but Healthcare.gov is on everybody's mind.

BOLLING: I'm not sure about the last part.

BECKEL: Excuse me.

PERINO: Well, let's not argue the numbers yet. Let's first, let's talk about health care.

And, Eric, $300 million for a website that doesn't work, but do you think we'll ever know how much it costs for the fixes they are trying to make to the website?

BOLLING: I'll bet you it is ten-fold. I bet you it gets into the --

PERINO: Like a billion.

BOLLING: Absolutely. The amount of hours they are spending and if you know anything about I.T., and how much it costs to hire people to handle I.T., this could be multiples if not 10 times what the $300 -- $300 million was what we initially paid that French-Canadian contractor. It's going to be a lot higher than that.

Tom Coburn's wastebook outlines $300 billion, you know what the sad part of that is? That's less than 1 penny on the dollar of government spending. We spent $3.5 trillion a year. If you just cut that out, you'd still spent 99.92 percent of what you are spending anyway. It is really a drop in the bucket. We could probably find $300 billion if we really tried.

PERINO: Do you think that Washington is ignoring the easy stuff, Greg, or is it hard to do the harder stuff. Even in this budget that will pass tonight, they are dealing with military retirees -- people who did not serve a full 20 years but are obligated for a pension.

I'm trying to set up a question for you. But --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I want to get to the point. All pizza is 3D.

PERINO: But you don't make it on a printer, you make it on an oven.

GUTFELD: That is a printer. Oven is a printer. You take the ingredients and put it in there and it makes a pizza.

Look, listening to these things, listening to these things, it's like what Eric said -- it's fun but it's pointless if there are no consequences.

It is like yelling at your spoiled brat as a kid to stop spending but you never cut up the credit cards. What's the point?

ObamaCare, however, is permanent because it's permanent. It's this big thing that -- it is a lesson to everybody about intrusive government that four decades of libertarianism could ever educate. ObamaCare did to big government what the plague did to rats.

If people learn anything from this year, it's that big government sucks.

PERINO: Andrea, do you think the congressmen feel there are no consequences for these kind of things.

TANTAROS: They feel them when they are in a re-election campaign and their opponent figures out that they're sponsored the bridge to nowhere and then there's campaign ad, then they usually feel the heat.

Now, no, they escape the heat. And Harry Reid, because he changed the procedure and the Senate rules now makes it easier than ever for any senator to slip this kind of thing in. I mean, you didn't mention this one, Dana, but a thousand for pole dancing in Austin --

PERINO: Yes, that's a good one.

TANTAROS: I mean, it seems like we're making this up, but we're not.

PERINO: Study the art of pole dancing.

TANTAROS: The art.

GUTFELD: This is an art.

TANTAROS: Yes, it is. But look back, Dana, over, that when we were debating the sequester, we were debating benefits for military members and that's I think that makes people the angriest, because when it comes to these contentious fights, it's always over military benefits, yet they have no problem wasting money on things like 3D pizza.

BECKEL: You know, you are talking about -- as Eric pointed out, a miniscule amount. Greg is picking on big government. He does it every day. And I know it's part of his mantra.

But let me ask you this, do you not want to pay national debt? Do you not want to pay defense? Do you not want to pay Social Security? Do you not want to pay Medicare?

How about border security? How about people who do air traffic control?

GUTFELD: That's about choices.

BECKEL: OK, but you are down to a small percentage of the government.

GUTFELD: I would rather expand on the benefits than illegal immigrants getting tax credits.

BECKEL: But that's just such a small part of this.

GUTFELD: Let's start there, I guess.

BOLLING: But I'm looking at the numbers here, Social Security, $871 billion; Department of Health and Human Services, $860 billion. I mean, there's got to be fat and fraud and waste and abuse we can cut in there and save some money.

Defense is third. All right. So what?

BECKEL: So -- I'm sure there is --

BOLLING: Should we start at Social Security and Medicare.

BECKEL: What I'm saying is the amount of money that you are talking about cutting here that could be about 15 percent of the budget and I think I could agree with that and find that. But some of the rest of the things you keep saying offhand, we don't need big government -- but you do need big government or you're going to give up on these big programs.

TANTAROS: Bob, every time -- we all agree, though, on keeping Social Security. We agree on keeping health care for seniors. The problem is, no one has the courage to tackle it and every time Republicans to do to save it, not get rid of it, they get ripped apart by Democrats.

PERINO: Not only that, but when Simpson-Bowles, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles came together, the Simpson-Bowles suggestion of the budget, they worked for a year on it, it was a decent plan, a good compromise and President Obama said we are not going anywhere on it.

BECKEL: I know. That was one of the great lost opportunities of the year.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I got Simpson-Bowles for Christmas.

BOLLING: If I'm not mistaken, President Obama asked for the Simpson- Bowles commission. Then they went through the whole process. Obama didn't like what he found and he said forget it.

PERINO: Yes, maybe one day we'll find out what kind of words were used by Simpson-Bowles when they put that out that.

GUTFELD: I could never stop talking about Simpson-Bowles.

PERINO: OK. Do you hate me or hate me?

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: Honestly, before we go. A special programming note: set your DVRs now or you can tune live tomorrow. Charles Krauthammer is back with us this time for the entire hour. It will be must-see TV.

GUTFELD: Krauthammer!

PERINO: And ahead, what The Denver Post doesn't want you to know about the Colorado school shooter. Greg has that -- even though he is mean to me -- when we come back.

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GUTFELD: Did you know that the Arapahoe shooter was a socialist? It's not your fault if you didn't. In a Denver Post profile on the shooter who killed himself after trying to take over the school, the description of him as, quote, "a very opinionated socialist," was changed later to just "very opinionated."

Now, it's not often you see the media sanitize a killers beliefs, generally they obsess all over it. When a Post editor was asked about the missing word, she said, "We decided not to have another student apply a label to the shooter -- a label the student likely didn't even understand."

I kind of agree. The less you focused on the killer's details as offered by classmates, the better. Inspired by the coverage of previous massacres, potential killers fantasize about their own outcomes. Media can make murder contagious.

However, I'm not sure that's why socialist got cut. After all, would they have been so thoughtful if it were Tea Partier? We know the answer because we've seen such linkage before in the media.

Remember Gabby Giffords and the crosshair, or the Boston bombing happening on Tax Day?

Fact is, reporters sometimes edit to fit a narrative they wish to believe, one that may be wrong, but comforting. So forgive me if I'm cynical about the paper's actions. They also have their targets and socialists aren't as desirable as others.

Andrea, should they have left it in, do you think? Does it matter?

TANTAROS: I think it's pretty unprofessional to edit a direct quote.

I also think if they didn't want to do a story to focus on the details of a shooter, they shouldn't have done called what his classmates said about his politics.

GUTFELD: Right.

TANTAROS: And then they wouldn't have this problem. It seems straightforward.

Plus, you have other outlets, The Wall Street Journal, CBS, among others, who confirmed that numerous students said that he was a socialist.

But, Greg, we have seen this before. There were reports that the Sandy Hook shooter was a devil worshipper. They left that out.

There were reports in Virginia Tech that the killer was, quote, "sedated", they didn't tell you how, he was sedated by two people who happened to have a gun and live nearby. They don't tell you that.

So, if it fits their narrative, great. They'll put it in, even if it doesn't make any sense or is it verified? This case was the opposite and now they look pretty -- I think -- foolish.

GUTFELD: Yes. Bob, do you think it would be better to just blanket show restraint in reporting these stories to prevent copycats, because the more attention you give to the suspect, the more likely you create a repeat?

BECKEL: I think this ought to be said about that, but let's keep in mind, this guy never described himself as a socialist. He described himself as a Keynesian, number one. And number two, why should we take two students. He is what he is. They probably didn't know what socialist meant, as most people who throw the word socialist around don't understand what it means.

The fact of the matter is that why should a paper take two kids in a class and decide this is what the guy is?

GUTFELD: I agree with you. But I would like to see that done uniformly. If they had called him a Tea Party, I wonder if they would.

PERINO: No.

BOLLING: I could have sworn I saw somewhere where he did call himself a socialist. But maybe I'm wrong.

TANTAROS: A communist, it was.

BOLLING: Well, I believe socialist. But to make a long story short, the media goes the other way.

You mentioned Tea Party, wasn't it Brian Ross who -- he Googled, the Aurora, Colorado movie theater --

GUTFELD: Got the wrong name.

BOLLING: Got the wrong name, had the Tea Party association to the wrong guy, and went to the air with this guy is a Tea Partier. So, he actually seek out a political affiliation and when it was the one that fit the narrative, he put it out on the TV and it was wrong and he retracted.

In this case, this was there. This wasn't even them reporting. This wasn't even them investigating. They were just reporting what somebody else had already said and they blew it and editorialize there.

GUTFELD: Yes.

Dana, we had this discussion earlier, there is ample evidence of what they call suicide contagion effect when you report on teenage suicide, the more you report it, the more it occurs. So, they made a deal, law enforcement made a deal with the media to seize the romantic language about suicide and move it off the front pages.

Do you think that works here or do you need to have that information out there perhaps to make linkage and find out -- something that might help?

PERINO: So, I understand not romancing it. I don't understand whitewashing it. They did the story that says what the students said.

Very strange to edit somebody's quote. The student said what the student said. If "The Denver Post" decides that the student was wrong, they can add a sentence that says we think the student was wrong, the student doesn't know what she's talking about, whatever it might be.

And I do think it is important to find out what everybody knows, because if you are in law enforcement or a teacher or a parent, wouldn't you want to know what sort of code words or language is being used so you can try to prevent it in the future? Because now we have a young woman who is fighting for her life.

GUTFELD: Claire Davis.

PERINO: And they are whitewashing it in the hometown paper. And I do not believe that "The Denver Post" would have said he's a very opinionated right-wing extremist. They wouldn't have edited out right wing extremist.

That --

BECKEL: Why are you saying whitewashing, because a couple of students who are kids decided to name this guy something?

TANTAROS: You know what? This makes it so angry when I hear people say, oh, now, they are just a bunch of kids. But when they are 15, they can get Plan B. Or, oh, they're kids because they can stay on their parents' healthcare, but they are 18 so they can vote.

Which one is it, are they adults or are they kids? And the kid who said, who actually said he was a socialist, also used the word Keynesian.

So, I guess this kid is a total idiot when it comes to socialism, but understands Keynesian economics.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Somebody is doing something right at the Arapahoe High School.

GUTFELD: Yes, I didn't come across that word until I was 44. I don't know. But Claire Davis is still in a coma. She's in critical condition and that is the real downer here and we hope she gets out of it alive and heals.

All right. Ahead on "The Five," a disturbing now report on the Muslim assault on Christians in Egypt. The "60 Minutes" investigation you'll want to know about.

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TANTAROS: Well, the Muslim oppression of the Coptic Christians in Egypt is nothing new. Some people hope the recent revolution would improve things but it didn't. In fact, the opposite has been true. Islamists are increasing assaults on Christians and churches. Here is the witness telling 60 minutes about one of the attacks.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They looted everything, from chairs to pews. They stole anything that could be carried. What they couldn't carry they destroyed.

How did they set the church on fire?

They set the whole place on fire with Molotov cocktails and gasoline.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And on their way out, the attackers left behind a calling card - graffiti saying that Egypt is Islamic.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. Greg, before the revolution, when the Muslim Brotherhood took over, Coptic Christians were pretty well protected by the former Egyptian leadership. Now, we see this getting worse. That is just one attack. They have been attacked ever since the Muslim brotherhood has fallen from power and the Egyptian government declared them a terrorist organization. Maybe it is time we do too.

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm beginning to question this whole religion of peace thing. It's only peaceful if you are part of that religion.

But what -- I mean, the question -- I always have to ask is what are you scared of? If your religion is so awesome, why are you threatened by other beliefs? It makes me think they are incredibly insecure about their own beliefs or else they wouldn't be murdering people. They are cowards.

TANTAROS: Dana, President Obama has had many opportunities to address the Coptic Christians and the situation in Egypt when he addressed the nation recently about Syria, but he's done the opposite.

So, when he gave his big Cairo speech, he allowed the Muslim brotherhood to be right there in the first or second row and they were not supposed to be there. Our government has sent those very expensive Abrams tanks over to Egypt when the Brotherhood was in power and this administration has remained very quiet, in fact going out of their way to say that they are actually moderate.

PERINO: Well, unfortunately, I don't think it is just the problem for this administration. It's going back decades that Coptic Christians have been fleeing Egypt. But they do make up 10 percent of the population in Egypt and that's not an insignificant amount of the population.

They have only two people in the senior government, if you can -- they are trying to put together a government. And I would hope that behind the scenes, the Obama administration, through the State Department, is trying to help make that better.

I do wonder about two things, America can't be the world's policeman, I understand that. But who is going to be? And who will stick up for the women and children? There are increasing reports about abductions of women and especially younger Coptic girls who are sexually exploited and forced to convert and someone needs to stand in to protect them. I don't know if he can rely on the government to do that.

TANTAROS: That's the real war on women that they don't talk about.

Eric, virtually every terrorist has passed through some sort of Muslim Brotherhood indoctrination. We have al Qaeda from the Muslim Brotherhood,

that is where they originated.  Mohammed Atta was a member of the

Brotherhood.

Why does this administration then downplay the Muslim Brotherhood so much and say it's such a great thing when they were going to take over in Egypt?

BOLLING: I'm not sure. Like Dana, I don't want to go there. I don't think it matters.

Here is what matters. Coptic Christians have been persecuted and demonstrated against for decades. It's still going on. We really have to ask, we've done stories like this before and we say where the Muslim community? Where is the outrage? Blah, blah, blah.

But the bottom line is it is great that "60 Minutes" puts this up, it's great that we are talking about it, America needs to understand what is going on over there and maybe at some point -- moderate Muslims, if they are out there, if you are out there, you step up and say stop. It is not happening to Muslims in America, it shouldn't happen to Christians in other countries that we recognize as democracy.

TANTAROS: What do you think, Bob?

BECKEL: I think it is one of the more outrageous, disgraceful, disgusting displays of anti-Christianity I've seen anywhere, go around for a thousand years. The Coptics were there before the Muslims were there.

In fact they called Egypt Copt.

So, and not only that -- it's not just churches. They are doing this to businesses. They're doing this to schools. They're doing it to people on the streets. And this on top of the military saying, oh, we're going to defend the Coptics.

And what happens now? The courts have made decisions where they took some Coptics where a Muslim was killed and they give them life sentences, and yet five Christians were killed, and they gave nothing to anybody.

They didn't try to prosecute it.

It is selective. It is anti-Christian. It is perpetrated by the Muslims. It's perpetrated by radical Muslims, and the Egypt judiciary are cowards. They stand up and they are afraid to hard penalty against the Muslims.

And I'll tell you one thing -- Eric is right, we don't do that here and some people may think they should to do here. But you ought to stop doing it. You are tired of it. Use your sense. They were there before you were.

TANTAROS: Should we declare them a terrorist organization, Bob?

BECKEL: Who? Egyptians? Anybody who participates in that ought to be done what Mohammed said, put their head on a blocking chop.

TANTAROS: The government of Egypt --

BECKEL: I had more to say but I don't have much time.

TANTAROS: I love when you go off like this. The interim government of Egypt considers them a terror organization, why don't we? Why doesn't the United States?

GUTFELD: Well, here's the problem -- America did cut a Coptic Christian in bars. He's the filmmaker who made that anti-Muslim film. So, we're guilty, too.

TANTAROS: That's very true.

Next, the mega million dollar lottery could turn into a billion dollar lottery if nobody wins tonight? So, do you want to know why they're getting so big? It's not an accident. We'll explain why when we come back.

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BECKEL: Christmas is coming and won't it be sweet to win the $636 million jackpot tonight? I don't know about you, but I bought a ticket. I hate to say that, but I did. The Mega Millions pot keeps growing, and it could climb to a billion dollars by Christmas if no one wins tonight.

There's a lot of discussion about how this hurts poor people than other people. There is a doctor that -- there's a doctor who gives this -- let's pull this up first. Here's a doctor explaining why this is such a good thing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The proceeds go to necessary programs that states have that otherwise they would be having taxes for. It's like "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" and the magic of that when you were a child. The idea that anybody, rich or poor, any corner of the earth, if you've got the winning ticket, it's you.

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BECKEL: And Eric, what's the chance of you getting that winning ticket?

BOLLING: One in 275 million, I believe now, because they upped the odds, making it more difficult. That's why the jackpot keeps getting bigger.

But if you want to debate the merits of lottery, there aren't very many. You put a dollar in. The state takes at best 50 percent, maybe more sometimes. And half of the other winnings go back to you. It's a bad == it's a losing proposition -- it's basically a tax or you could have some fun with it and say, "Look, if I won, I'd do this with it, and I would tithe and I'd give you guys all some money."

BECKEL: That's very nice of you. How about you, Dana?

PERINO: I've been, because I've been kind of hurting.

BECKEL: That Upper West Side paycheck thing.

PERINO: The thing about this is that I was never allowed to gamble, so I don't know.

BECKEL: Gee, that's not too bright.

PERINO: I never -- I never think I'm going to win so I don't participate, but I probably should buy a ticket tonight, I guess.

Greg, do you buy tickets for this?

GUTFELD: No. I'll tell you why. It's a flaw in human thinking. The idea it could be me who wins. Well, yes, you could also be murdered.

If you wish to beat the odds to win lotto, be aware that the odds of being murdered and hit by lightning are higher. So in a sense, you do not want to root for life's randomness, because your life's randomness is actually deadlier than it is helpful. And if you sit here and you go, "I really hope I win the lottery," you're going to get run over by a bus, because that's more likely to happen. Do not root for life's randomness, because it's against you. Life's randomness is evil and deadly.

BECKEL: Well, they'd close down the whole lottery system, I guess.

GUTFELD: Can afford the lottery.

BECKEL: But what would you do with that if you won all that money?

TANTAROS: I think life's randomness is what allowed five people to be sitting around the table on a hit talk show. We're pretty darn lucky, if you look at the odds of all the people in the United States of America.

GUTFELD: And then there's a plane somewhere with five people who just went into the mountains.

BECKEL: And lightning is going to hit you when you walk out the door.

GUTFELD: Randomness is not a good thing.

TANTAROS: You know when I play? I play when it's not a big Mega Million. Like, I'll just see the little, you know, $12 million, little 12 million. I'll see on the sign. "Oh, you know what? I'm going to go in today, because a lot of people probably aren't playing." That's when I play.

BOLLING: We are very fortunate here. All five of us, six of us here.

GUTFELD: Except for Dana.

BOLLING: We know we are lucky. I have a hunch winning the lottery would actually be worse for any one of us individually.

PERINO: Oh, no, I'd never see you people again. I would be in South Carolina so fast.

BECKEL: I'll tell you, as you well know...

BOLLING: theAre you kidding, you wouldn't be on "The Five"?

GUTFELD: You would get up in the middle of the show. You wouldn't even look back.

PERINO: I'd be out of here!

GUTFELD: You won't even look back.

BECKEL: She would -- she'd wire this whole place to do get Wi-Fi and would stay.

The -- I'm a gambler, as you all know. And I like to gamble on a lot of things think I have a chance at: the horse track, poker, a few other things. I play Kino, which is a lot of fun, but this.

BOLLING: Kino is fun.

BECKEL: But this -- this is the first time I bought a lottery ticket.

PERINO: Would you still work if you won?

BECKEL: Oh, yes, sure.

TANTAROS: I would, too.

PERINO: I would work from my screened-in porch.

GUTFELD: People who do win the lottery, though, their lives go to hell. Nobody ever has a good life.

PERINO: You are so negative. That is so not true.

GUTFELD: You've got to read it.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next, and I hope Greg wins the lotto.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: All righty. Time for "One More Thing," and Mr. Robert Beckel, you lead it off.

BECKEL: I'm still outraged. I've got to get to it very quickly.

This was the anniversary of the Wilbur and Orville Wright flight in Kitty Hawk December 17.

But I want to get back to the Coptic things for a second. The next time a Christian child dies in your country, you get no more aid. Zero, none.

And I want to repeat my thing I said before that was so controversial.

Come at me with it. No more student visas for Muslim students until we find those that are missing in this country. And beyond that, if you're going to continue to do this, if your prophet was for this, then let us know about it. Right? The reason you don't speak out about it is because you're cowards, because you're afraid of the Islamists.

GUTFELD: Yes!

PERINO: Hear, hear.

BECKEL: Punks.

BOLLING: And you're up.

TANTAROS: I don't know how I segue from that. But the last year Rush finally was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame finally, and this year other favorites have been inducted, including Hall and Oates. Yes.

Hall and Oates was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. And also -- this is a shocker -- KISS.

PERINO: Wow.

TANTAROS: It took this long for KISS to be inducted. Linda Ronstadt is another one.

PERINO: Maybe Little KISS will get next year.

TANTAROS: Nirvana.

BOLLING: All right.

TANTAROS: And Peter Gabriel, another surprise.

PERINO: I thought you were going to say Rush Limbaugh. I didn't know he...

TANTAROS: No, the band rush.

PERINO: Got it.

GUTFELD: Oh, Dana.

BOLLING: Very good.

PERINO: I know. Rush isn't much for rock 'n' roll.

BOLLING: D., you're up.

PERINO: OK. I saw this cool thing this morning on BBC News and decided to bring it to you. There's a guy named Simon Beck, and he's making amazing art, geometric art. And he does it all by his skis. He used to be -- he used to orient maps. That was his passion. I don't know if you can see these really well.

But if you're up on a chair lift and you're going to go skiing, you can see some of these amazing things that he does all by himself. He maps them all out and then he does the skiing.

And he has -- he let us know that his feet are in a bad way, but if he keeps off the front of his feet, things aren't too bad, and he's able to do this amazing snow art. So you'll -- if you go on our website, you can see more of Simon Beck's work.

GUTFELD: I bet you see a lot of that snow art on vacation, huh?

PERINO: I don't get vacation.

BOLLING: All right. I'm up. If you saw us the other day, we have -- we picked our secret Santas. I can't say who my secret Santa is, but I want some suggestions. So will you hit me up on Facebook and Twitter?

Here's the address.

Let me know some of your ideas for some of the people on "The Five."

It could be Andrea. It could be Bob, could be Dana, could be Greg or it could be Kimberly. Let me know what you think. Should be semi- (UNINTELLIGIBLE). It's Secret Santa.

PERINO: Is it me?

BOLLING: It might be. I've had you, like, two years ago.

PERINO: I know. And I got my wine, like, eight months later.

BOLLING: Well, you did get it. Right?

PERINO: I got it. 

BECKEL: Greg, did you have...

BOLLING: You're up, Gregory.

GUTFELD; Oh. You know what? I had -- I was going to talk about how vitamins are a waste of time. I love this, because -- a waste of time.

Don't take vitamins. It's expensive urine.

But I want to talk about the fact, when I was talking about the lottery earlier. A guy had just won a Howard Stern contest in which -- he was an 84-year-old grandfather. He won this contest with a date with two

women. He was very excited about it. It was a once in a million thing.  

He choked to death hours before the date on a steak in Harrah's.

BOLLING: And that thereby proves your theory from the B-block, I believe it was or C-block.

GUTFELD: Yes, life -- life...

BECKEL: You know about the vitamins, you think they are a waste of time and you say they are like a urine. Doesn't there a group that drinks urine?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: There is?

GUTFELD: Yes, they're called Democrats.

BECKEL: That is funny. Then Republicans do the other.

GUTFELD: What?

PERINO: Don't eat the yellow snow.

BOLLING: That's what we've got. Don't forget, set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll be back here tomorrow with Charles Krauthammer, special guest for the entire hour. You're going to see it right here.

"Special Report" on deck. Guess who's going to be on that one?

PERINO: Is there really people?

BOLLING: How did we get there?

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'Keep your plan' lie among 'biggest Pinocchios of 2013'

Published Monday, December 16, 2013 / The Five
With Kimberly Guilfoyle , Dana Perino , Eric Bolling , Bob Beckel , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 16, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City -- and this is "The Five."

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GUILFOYLE: Well, The Washington Post just released their 10 biggest Pinocchios of the year -- also known as lies -- and guess what topped the list.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period.

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GUILFOYLE: And remember after the president got caught in that lie, he lied about what he had actually said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: If you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law, and you really like that plan, well what we've said was you could keep it. If it hasn't changed since the law has passed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: How charming.

Even the presidents' defenders are finding it impossible to stand by him.

Here is liberal Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DANA MILBANK, THE WASHINGTON POST: This is a low point. We don't know if it's the lowest, but it is a very low point in the Obama administration. It doesn't help to have neutral groups calling you the liar of the year.

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GUILFOYLE: So, I'm left wondering, how low can you go?

Bolling?

(LAUGHTER)

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, maybe he's hit -- as far as the lie of the year, I can't imagine you can top that one. I have no idea where you go from there.

GUILFOYLE: Credibility, polling.

BOLLING: But there was also something "The Washington Post" talking about what the candidates in 2014 are going to run on and to their surprises, the Republican candidates weren't going to run on economy or jobs, they were going to stay on ObamaCare.

Well, guess what? That's a good reason, because this isn't going to go away. This is just what President Obama lied about wasn't about the website. The website is still having its problems, once the website comes back. What President Obama was lying about -- according to "The Washington Post" -- we can say it now, "The Washington Post" and PolitiFact -- what he is lying about is the nuts and bolts of ObamaCare.

No, you can't keep your doctor. No, you can't keep your policy. No, it's not going to cost you less. No, we're not bending the cost curve down. All of those things that Republicans need to run on.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: It's the only thing they get to run on since the economy is getting so much better. I read The Financial Times, the headline was, "United States leads the world out of bad economic times."

BOLLING: Stay on ObamaCare, though.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: For the rich people.

GUILFOYLE: Bob wrote the headline. All right. That's Fox News.

Dana --

BECKEL: Hey, hey. I didn't have my Wi-Fi connected or I would have known.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Why? Was it connected to the ObamaCare website?

BECKEL: No, it wasn't working. It should get working.

GUILFOYLE: So, Dana --

PERINO: Or Dana is going to have a fit on air.

GUILFOYLE: There was a little bit of meltdown earlier.

Let me ask you -- is this like a communications bummer, to use a technical, political term?

PERINO: I think that Dana Milbank deserves the understatement of the year. When he says it is not helpful that third party groups or so-called neutral groups are saying that you lied, that's not helpful. Right. I think he gets the understatement of the year.

And, look, I think Dana Milbank, he's an equal opportunity analyst and when he is coming after you, he can be brutal. But when he is going after your opponent, it's delicious. I love it.

Here's my problem with this whole thing -- yes, I think it was the lie of the year in 2010. But I think it was the lie of the year of 2010, and had the media not criticized -- spent their time criticizing people like maybe people here at this table who were saying the law wasn't going to work well, or work as well as they were saying it was going to, they were actually criticizing us rather than focusing on the law.

And there's actually that Politico that deep dyed in the magazine, that looked at the media's role and not asking hard questions, and now, all of a sudden, they are trying to pick up the pieces of the president's policy.

GUILFOYLE: I think you like him, because Dana to Dana --

PERINO: Dana Milbank and I are very close.

GUILFOYLE: Very close, separated by (INAUDIBLE).

PERINO: Right, Dana?

GUILFOYLE: OK. Greg, what do you make of the situation? Do you agree with your co-host here?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: What she said.

GUILFOYLE: The 2010 lie?

GUTFELD: But, you know, did the -- I think the problem that the White House has right now is that they thought they could outlast this new cycle, which they have, with just about every single crisis they have moved past, whether it's Benghazi, the IRS, DOJ. But they can't get past this and the reason is because ObamaCare is a perpetual motion machine of misery, a diarrhea of crisis and it can't be stopped.

Going back to what you said, the lesson here for everyone is how do you prevent collusion between the media and the White House prior to an election, which is what happened with ObamaCare, Benghazi, the IRS, the regulations --

PERINO: Right, Fast and Furious.

GUTFELD: Fast and Furious.

The media bashing Obama now is like an inmate pretending to find God after he's in jail. It would have been nice that he found religion after he mugged that family.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: And, you know, once he gets out of jail, he's going to go back to mugging, and that's the way the media is. They're going to be critical of Obama and then once a new liberal comes along, they're going to be in love with them again.

BOLLING: Can I follow up on that? I completely agree, 100 percent. Let's take it in a sports -- we'll do a sports analogy.

So, when Barry Bonds, when they found out he was juicing and was hitting all those home runs, and all those other people were hitting all those home runs, they want to put an asterisk, right? They want to put an asterisk in the record books.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: You know what? Now that we know, now that The Washington Post and PolitiFact just calling this the big lie, the lie of the year, it was a lie, President Obama was pouting this lie in 2011, throughout the whole re-election campaign, we should put an asterisk next to the president's win in 2012.

GUTFELD: It's his steroids. That's his steroids.

BOLLING: That's exactly right.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Lying is his juice.

OK, Bob, I'm sure you wholeheartedly agree with this.

BECKEL: Well, first of all, all I would say the good news about Benghazi, if you didn't notice this weekend, it was revealed the CIA themselves said they would stand down. But leaving that aside, this is -- unlike the Fast and Furious, or unlike Benghazi, this one -- as Greg pointed -- has got constantly new stories. This is one you got to have to look at the election year, you can see this being a problem and leaving it to up -- up to you guys, it will be a problem every day. And when I thought we were done through that everybody died because of it but we found new ways to get to it.

GUILFOYLE: We've got more ways -- Dana.

PERINO: Well, just to that point, I sent around -- on our pitch thread, our e-mail thread that we talked about, I sent a paragraph from the telegraph yesterday in the U.K., which basically was that the National Health Service basically has declared a national disaster. Those stories are on the front page every day since the National Health Service was started. So why don't we ever learn from their mistakes.

GUTFELD: Yes. You know what it is, ObamaCare is the potatoes of crisis. You can make so many different meals out of it.

GUILFOYLE: I love potatoes.

GUTFELD: Every day, you got French fries on Monday. On Tuesday, you have got --

(CROSSTAL)

GUTFELD: Salad and potatoes, it doesn't end.

GUILFOYLE: It is delicious, with an extra dose of ketchup.

BECKEL: Can I ask a quick question?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I'm going to hammer you some more.

BECKEL: Oh, you probably are.

But let's assume this all unfolds where you all say it's going to unfold. That means it's going to be tens of millions of people without insurance next year? I mean, is that possible?

GUILFOYLE: Bob, that's why you have a problem.

BOLLING: And tens of millions more already.

BECKEL: OK. So, that means what they do they do? They get everybody to crowd in the emergency room?

BOLLING: See? This is a great question, Bob. What are they doing now?

GUILFOYLE: They are going to the emergency room.

BOLLING: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: This is what we've been saying.

PERINO: Well, all the other things that could happen if the government changes, if the Republicans take over, there could be significant changes if the president would then be in a position to have to say no to something that the country just voted for. But also if the market were allowed to work, those people might be able to find other ways to be able to get care.

But can I tell you something, Bob?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: -- for years. So what happens -- I'm not make this -- I'm not arguing here. I just want to know, what happens?

GUILFOYLE: But I'll tell you what else --

BOLLING: They acquire insurance or they're going to pay the 1 percent of your adjusted gross income.

PERINO: And they live with a huge amount of anxiety that they don't have the insurance before ObamaCare.

GUILFOYLE: Well, a couple of things too, because Bob is the king of polls. You know, Obama is in trouble because his mattress of support, his little sleepy support has been the millennials, you know the new poll numbers, the AP numbers, et cetera. And then also, millennials over ObamaCare, nearly four in five say ObamaCare will worsen insurance coverage.

This is a problem. This is a group he strongly relied on for his popularity, for his presidency, for his political will to get things done, and it has compromised, severely battle-tested at this point.

BECKEL: It's also, I mean, the thing that would worry me if I were sitting in the White House now, is it's also the least effected by ObamaCare. In other words, they may end up paying some fines but they don't think they're going to need insurance all that much.

So, the fact that it's a soft there is a bit of a problem, particularly if you're coming up to things like immigration, where they really will need young voters to put their voices to it.

GUILFOYLE: And the paperwork is behind too, for ObamaCare.

GUTFELD: What I'm hoping for is that somehow ObamaCare is a vaccine against intrusive government in the way that the vaccine has the toxin in it and it provides inoculation against further stupidity. I doubt that will happen.

GUILFOYLE: But wishful thinking never hurt.

BOLLING: The problem is it's so big.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: You know, a vaccine, a polio vaccine is a little touch of the polio disease, or whatever. This is one-sixth of the economy.

Can I just point out their millennials?

BOLLING: Harvard did their own study, Harvard, OK? Not I wouldn't call them right wingers.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the professors are.

BOLLING: Harvard id this study, asking millennials what -- how likely they were to sign up for Obama care? Forty-five percent said unlikely, only 22 percent said likely and the rest weren't sure.

PERINO: However, most kids that go to Harvard are able to get employer sponsored health insurance because they are the kids that actually could --

BOLLING: I'm not sure what that that's what they are doing. They're literally polling them, would you, will you or will you not? When two to one in a liberal place like Harvard say --

BECKEL: With everything being so negative, who would sign up for it?

GUILFOYLE: I know, but, Bob, here's another thing, ObamaCare rollout, AP poll, Americans on how it's doing, not well, 76 percent.

BECKEL: Of course.

GUILFOYLE: And very well, 3 percent.

BECKEL: Yes, but why would you say assume anything else? They have been bombarded every day with the problems of ObamaCare.

PERINO: They are bombarded because the problems are real. The media is not making up the problem.

BECKEL: I think some are catching --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: And I also think that on the poll for the millennials, I was surprised it is not just about the website, millennials know how to use technology, but I thought the initial polling would show that they were offended that the government is so bad at doing just the basic when it comes to the website and the technology, but it does seem to be more.

GUTFELD: But the media, you can't count them out. They will frame a big government disaster as an anomaly. In a progressive world, every single failure is always an anomaly or an exception even in the absence of any success. If there's no -- success is the anomaly in a progressive world. Somehow, they've managed everybody to think it's the reverse.

BECKEL: I don't know what an anomaly is but it sounds like a bad thing about --

GUTFELD: It's a chocolate.

BECEKL: Well, I think --

GUILFOYLE: Not good for you and your guide, Bob. But what is good is to repeat this - Charles Krauthammer, this is from December 13th on PBS -- behold Charles.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I love how you guys just can't wait to get your teeth into Republicans throwing mud at Republicans. On a week when this administration -- by the way, the viewers, you're not going to hear about a word about a weekend which the secretary of HHS unilaterally and lawlessly changed every deadline in the ObamaCare law without any legal authority in the way that is absolutely astonishing. But you won't hear about this on this show. So --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just did.

KRAUTHAMMER: -- try Fox.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Courageous to tell it like it is. That was my favorite aha-moment of the weekend. You can get Charles Krauthammer for the full hour this Wednesday, right here on "The Five," 5:00 p.m. Eastern. So, we hope you will join us on the ticket.

BECKEL: As much as I love Charles, he's a panelist on that show, it's closing after next week. You said to take a shot, that was the time to take a shot.

PERINO: He's been on 30 years, Bob.

BECKEL: I know, but it's closing. It's down.

PERINO: That says more about PBS than Charles.

GUILFOYLE: Charles likes to rain on parades.

BOLLING: Charles knows his timing.

PERINO: That seems right.

GUILFOYLE: He's the ambassador of timing.

Bolling, you have a final comment on that, and then, Greg? It was a good one.

Greg?

GUTFELD: All I know is I think there should be a metal band named Krauthammer. It sound like --

PERINO: It's a German metal band.

GUTFELD: Yes, German metal. It would be awesome. Krauthammer!

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: You didn't me a last thought.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I'm giving you. Go ahead.

PERINO: My last thought is please, I beg you, Wi-Fi guy, make the Wi-Fi work before I have a conniption.

BECKEL: Yes, please? And I had to listen to it, OK?

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BECKEL: And, by the way, the Germans have great movies.

GUILFOLE: Yes, we're on clear about the mental health you might be getting from ObamaCare.

But next, because we are just getting started, Football Hall of Famer Jim Brown had high hopes for President Obama when he campaigned for him in 2008, but his hope has turned to disappointment and he's going to tell why.

And later, the season finale shocker on "Homeland", was it a good or bad ending to one of the hottest shows on TV. Eric has some thoughts.

Stay right here. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Strong start to the week, Joshua.

All right. Welcome back to "The Five."

The African-American community has overwhelmingly supported the Democratic Party for decades. So, it's an uphill battle for the Republican Party to make in-roads in the black community. Stephen A. Smith is a sports commentator who is known for speaking his mind and he thinks black conservatives need to be heard.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEPHEN SMITH, FIRST TAKE CO-HOST: The black population hasn't given the Republican Party more than 15 percent of its vote since 1964. And anybody who is deemed a black conservatism, I'm one of them, a registered independent -- just to get that out of the way. But those that I know who are black conservatives are considered pariahs and are ostracized in our communities, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: So, we're going to kick this around a little bit.

We do also, in the commercial break, I would say that is the most important part of the show that you don't get to see. We have a debate as to where does the term gridiron originates and they just threw a picture which I don't think --

BECKEL: The original football field.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God.

BECKEL: No, this is the original football field it. It was a gridiron. Two lines going both ways. Anybody knows, send us in a tweeter.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Can you explain why it is?

BOLLING: I believe gridiron, it was applied to a football field because it looked like that from the stands. But the gridiron, the original cooking surface for drilling.

PERINO: Do you know why that matters today?

BOLLING: No.

PERINO: On topic. The other sound bite that we have is from Jim Brown.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIM BROWN, FORMER NFL FOOTBALL PLAYER: Somehow it seems like he's over his head. I did, along with my wife and the Rooneys, campaign for him in Ohio because that was a key state. But if I had to say does he rate an A, does he rate a D., it would be very difficult. I'd give him a C.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. So, those are words, Kimberly, that from Jim Brown on rating of the president. What do you think of that?

GUILFOYLE: Look, what I like is for people to be open and honest and vocal about these things. I think if you have an opinion about that, it's not very popular to criticize the president but I do appreciate candor and honesty, and they are entitled to what their beliefs, what they think.

Whether it's Steven Smith or whether it's, you know, Jim Brown, and Jim Brown at many times a controversial individual.

But I think he is voicing what a lot of people feel, whether you're white, or black, or Hispanic or Asian in America, that you supported a man that you had high beliefs in, and it has fallen short and people are left wanting for more and feeling disappointed.

PERINO: Greg, you've talked before black intellectuals and conservatives that are ostracized from the community or made fun of. Do you think that there is a turning point here or is this just an anomaly to use a phrase from the first --

GUTFELD: I don't know. In my opinion, black conservatism is a cancer on liberalism. If it spreads, they are dead, because it will break the hold of this racial warfare that seems to be kind of their go-to weapon against Republicanism.

You know what a true radical is a black conservative because Hollywood doesn't know they exist. If you try to find them as a character in any show, they're not there.

There is only one black conservative I can think of and that's Darth Vader.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God. Aren't you glad?

BECKEL: I think it sounds as if, black conservatives, they are ostracized and all of that. They're probably true, but also what they say doesn't make sense.

GUTFELD: Well, who?

PERINO: Really?

BECKEL: Thomas Sowell.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about? He's a genius, Bob.

BECKEL: I don't agree with an awful lot of what he says.

GUILFOYLE: But that's different from saying it doesn't make sense.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: You can disagree with them but you shouldn't say what he said is nonsense, right?

BECKEL: I didn't say it was nonsense. I said I don't agree with him.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: No, you also said that it doesn't make a lot of sense.

BECKEL: Are you trying to pinpoint my -- you pick out my words now?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, in a sentence diagram you played.

PERINO: Let me ask you, if you were advising Republicans who are looking at 2014 and beyond because they want to and need to grow their voting base -- when it comes to African-Americans, what would you say is the best type of message that the Republicans, based on principle, can deliver?

BOLLING: Well, again, I don't want to be hypocritical, I think the Republicans in 2014 have to stay on ObamaCare. I wouldn't play around in these issues. I wouldn't play around with contraception or none of that.

Stay on ObamaCare.

But I find it interesting, James Brown, Stephen A. Smith, that's fantastic -- speaking the way they see it. That's great.

But here is the issue -- blacks, I believe, voted for President Obama in excess of 90 percent.

PERINO: Ninety-three percent.

BOLLING: Ninety-three percent.

And I think the approval rating among blacks is still almost 89 percent. I think that's the number. But if you look at what's gone on since President Obama has held office, the black unemployment rate has actually widened compared to white. So it had been historically around double the white unemployment rate and had gone down 1.6 percent or 1.7 times what the white unemployment was right before the presidency. And now, it's over 2.2 percent times what the whites are.

So the blacks are losing ground compared to whites in the last five years under President Obama, I can't imagine that would be -- that demand or command, 89 percent approval rating.

GUILFOYLE: But are those facts getting to them. That's the point.

BOLLING: I don't know why it's not getting to them. I don't know.

BECKEL: It always sort of follows on what happens in the white community. First of all, the economic is starting to boom, number one. We don't talk about that in our show.

BOLLING: But whites are outpacing blacks.

BECKEL: They are and they usually do and grow the economy.

GUILFOYLE: But don't you care about that, Bob?

BECKEL: Do I care about that? Is that a fair question? Do I care about? Of course I care about it.

GUILFOYLE: I want to hear your statement on it.

BECKEL: But I don't believe it is Obama's fault and I'm not giving up any faith in Obama. I think he's going to be just fine.

BOLLING: No, but if you are part of the black community and you are seeing that you're losing ground. You're not getting better under this -- under Obamanomics, do you want more of it? Do you want to vote for four more years?

BECKEL: I don't think they are losing ground. I think the other crowd is moving ahead, moving ahead --

BOLLING: But can I -- Dana, may I, I'm sorry, isn't that the same argument we had with incoming equality? And now you are taking the other side of that exact argument.

BECKEL: No, I'm not. I don't think I am.

PERINO: Let me ask, Greg, if you were a conservative black intellect person and you wanted to make inroads in Hollywood. Do you think there's any hope there? And should they abandon it?

GUTFELD: I don't think there's any hope. However --

GUILFOYLE: I don't think --

GUTFELD: I don't think -- no, I think -- this is a long -- it's a long battle. It is not about skin color, it is about skin thickness. You've got to be tough if you are a black conservative because you are facing the white left in the media who are angry that they have no effect on you. So, you've got to be an Allen West and just say, just screw you guys, I don't care what Salon or Slate or The New York Times thinks, I don't care.

PERINO: All right. I thought that was excellent.

GUILFOYLE: You kind of remind me, though, of a black conservative.

Right?

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: Where did that come from?

GUILFOYLE: Because he's not going to back down from his opinions, he's going to say what he thinks and that's that.

GUTFELD: My heart is black.

PERINO: OK, we're going to ponder that in the commercial break, maybe tell you about it on the other side.

Coming up, more disturbing reports about the Mandela sign language interpreter, a controversial QB wins the Heisman trophy, and a secret admission from Susan Sarandon, next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

To another installment of the fastest segment in TV news. Three hot topics, seven fast minutes, one enthusiastic TV host.

First up, our old friend, the fake interpreter getting the full "Saturday Night Live" treatment this weekend. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have been listening, to what -- to what Americans are saying. And some very valid concerns are being raised.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, adding to the mystery, there are reports that the interpreter has added burning two people to his rap sheet, alongside rape, murder and pretending to know sign language.

K.G., you chimed in there. Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: I know. I mean, this story is actually really horrible. The only decent part was the "Saturday Night Live" aspect of it.

But how did they not catch this guy? How is the fact that he's like -- no, but I'm saying that he's done this before. He's been interpreting and he's like a criminal? Does it get much worse?

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on this guy.

PERINO: Well I read somewhere that one of the reasons the South African government is trying to explain what happened, they think someone took the lowest bid, which doesn't usually happen in government. But in this case, they got what they paid for.

I do think it might be time to sort of bury this -- let this story go after this one. We obviously -- he's a deranged person who needs help and never should have been near all of those dignitaries, especially the president.

GUILFOYLE: Bad security breach.

BECKEL: He was accused with a group of the other people of killing people by putting ties around their neck and starting fires, which is one of the nastiest ways during the uprising in Soweto, which was the black township outside of Johannesburg that is basically doing one of the nastiest things in the world. Everybody else got arrested but he got sent back home because he was insane.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Thoughts?

GUTFELD: It just tells you how screwed up south Africa is. This guy got so close. The emotional import of the event allowed a loosening of standard of protection for our president.

Our president would not allow that to happen in any other circumstance but they allowed it here because it was an emotional event and maybe our White House security -- or the Secret Service didn't want to make a stink out of it, but they shouldn't have let this happen.

GUILFOYLE: But they should have.

BOLLING: We've got to move on. We've got to move.

Next story, a story we talk about last week -- Florida State star and storied quarterback Jameis Winston can now add Heisman trophy winner to his bio.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMEIS WINSTON, FLORIDA STATE QUARTERBACK: I trusted in the process that evaluate facts and truth is deliver a positive outcomes because out of all of the things I've been through the past month, I remember when my daddy trusted in the process when he risked his job and -- and was jobless three years ago, when I was out there doing whatever I did to provide for my family, but the truth prevailed because eventually I got me a scholarship. This Heisman isn't just for Jameis Winston, it is for Florida State.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. Jameis won with a wide margin of votes, even though he is fresh off a controversial rape accusation, the state's attorney dropped the charges. And now, Jameis Winston is the 2013 Heisman winner, the youngest in Heisman history.

Bob, your thoughts on Jameis.

BECKEL: Well, first of all, he is the second freshman in a row to get this Heisman trophy, which is very unusual. But I think obviously, on the numbers, he deserved it. No question about it.

But I still question when he said he had a rough month, what about the woman that went through the rape?

BOLLING: Greg?

GUTFELD: Yes, you know, the problem with this is we focus on the person who won the trophy, what about the 314 million people who didn't? And it raises the question, why do you have to play football to win the Heisman trophy? That is bigoted toward the uncoordinated in this country.

I'm boycotting all sports until I can be eligible for the Heisman.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: You're technical eligible --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's true.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on Jameis.

PERINO: I guess facts are facts. This is not a character award and you can't argue with him.

BOLLING: K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: Given the controversy and the nature of the allegation of this, I mean, there are a lot of criticisms that the case wasn't investigated fully, that they didn't test the blood in this case and it's basically he said/she said comes sometimes down to just, you know, popularity contests in some of these high-profile cases. It's very challenging.

PERINO: Doesn't he have to play another year in college before he can play in the pros? Or -

BECKEL: No, he's got one more. I think he has to go to sophomore, I think that's right.

BOLLING: Well, we're going to leave it there, because we have to move on, because this is a big one. Last one for today, ever wonder why those Hollywood types are so weird when they hit the award shows.

Susan Sarandon coming clean, so to speak.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Name one Hollywood event that you showed up to stoned?

SUSAN SARANDON, ACTRESS: Only one?

(LAUGHTER)

SARANDON: I would say almost all except the Oscars.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, almost all except the Oscars. OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: But they are all baked. That explains the strange commentary. I don't smoke and I don't care what they do, but can't they wait until after the show.

GUTFELD: No, absolutely not, I encourage them being high. It is not the pot, that's the problem. It's the politics.

Perhaps if she was stoned all of the time, she wouldn't have stupid politics.

BECKEL: You are stoned most of the time, what are your points?

GUTFELD: That is my point.

Responsible people having fun, I don't really have a problem with it.

BOLLING: D?

PERINO: I was moved to make a confession. How do you think I get through this show every day? I mean --

GUTFELD: You are baked right now.

PERINO: Obviously, there are chemicals involved. I'm not surprised.

GUILFOYLE: Are you hungry?

PERINO: I think that most people at those award shows are on something because they are so boring.

BECKEL: Are you on Molly by any chance?

BOLLING: Do you know Molly?

PERINO: I only know what that is because you guys told me.

GUILFOYLE: From Miley Cyrus.

BECKEL: The word is going to get out. You're using dope.

GUILFOYLE: No, she is not. She is very clean.

BECKEL: I don't admit to anything that I wasn't stoned for about 35 years.

GUILFOYLE: That explains a lot. Poor Mondale, poor Mondale. That explains that a lot.

BECKEL: I'll tell you. I don't have any problem. Some of the things are so boring, why not. I don't think everybody should get stoned, but they do. It doesn't bother me.

BOLLING: K.G., weigh in on this.

GUILFOYLE: You know, listen, they are going to do, it is a lifestyle choice. You know, nobody is a baby sitter.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I'm personally against it.

PERINO: Why?

GUILFOYLE: But that's my -- meaning, that's not for me. I like the red wine, that's it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILOFOYLE: No, I don't. I mean, Dana doesn't either. But --

BOLLING: It is as rare a topic that we all agree on and I think we all agree, do what you want to do, Hollywood.

BECKEL: You never smoke dope in your life?

GUILFOYLE: I just don't think it's going to change their viewpoint so much.

BOLLING: Listen, I'll have cocktails until --

BECKEL: I know that.

(CROSSTALK)

GUIFOYLE: To the face.

BOLLING: To the face -- but just --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Point well taken, Kimberly. Is there another way to take vodka that I'm not aware of?

BOLLING: There actually is.

PERINO: There is not. There is not.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We're not going to talk about it.

Directly ahead, Santas running wild and brawling in New York City, I kid you not. We're going to tell you about an annual tradition called SantaCon.

GUILFOYLE: No way, Bob. Are you kidding? You are kidding me.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Throughout Saturday, New York endured SantaCon, where thousands of people dressed as Santas descended on Manhattan and drank until they puked. Here's a taste.

(VIDEO CLIP OF BRAWL)

GUILFOYLE: Is that an elf?

GUTFELD: Oh, jeez.

Their excuse? It's for charity. Last year, the organizers raised 45,000 bucks for Toys for Tots. Hooray.

But look, my preferred charity are the bar keeps, the waiters, the bouncers, the cops who had to work that night, and saying this is for charity is not an excuse to annoy the staff, or not tip or pee in someone's doorway. Never mind the city workers who have to deal with the rainbow of bodily fluid left behind.

Using charity to excuse bad behavior is OK if the charity outweighs the bad behavior. I'm not sure it does in SantaCon.

My point? Drink up. But drinking is about combining contemplation with camaraderie. It's never an excuse for me to infringe on your good time or vice versa. We do not share a blood stream. Only you can feel your buzz. So your mindless babbling about how wasted you are is not mutually enjoyed.

When I say people abuse the gift of alcohol, it makes said. It's like watching an inexperienced driver grind the gears of a beautiful sports car. I respect the drink, but not the drunk.

The fact is, the best drinker should never reveal how hammered he is. The mark of the pro is that you never know, which is why I'm seeing three Kimberlys right now.

GUILFOYLE: You wish.

GUTFELD: But who is complaining? It's three Kimberlys.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Am I a Grinch, Dana?

PERINO: Well, I have to say, when the topics came around this morning, when I heard that you're going to be against SantaCon, I was shocked because I've go to tell you, in the Upper East Side, they were perfectly delightful.

GUTFELD: Oh, on the Upper East Side, eh.

PERINO: When I was shopping along Madison Avenue, running the ship's mate, said hello, it was just a delightful afternoon.

BOLLING: Was he wearing a Santa outfit?

PERINO: He was not wearing Santa con outfit, but as we walk down the street, there's all this -- the snow was coming down. It was a beautiful day. I didn't know any of that stuff was going on, but I blame one person.

GUTFELD: Who?

PERINO: De Blasio.

GUTFELD: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: It's the liberals, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Pile it on.

GUTFELD: If it wasn't for the liberals, this wouldn't happen.

BECKEL: Because liberals dominate the Upper East Side, don't they?

The wealthy ones.

What were you doing on the Upper East Side?

PERINO: I was shopping on my way to go to brunch with you.

GUILFOYLE: She was stimulating the economy. Hello.

BECKEL: I've seen this thing in my neighborhood and the guys come down and they leave sober and they come back smashed and they are loud. It is not giving Santa a good name, you know? I mean, it's just a bad idea, all the way around. I don't know why anybody sanctioned it (ph). You can give $45,000 and go door-to-door and you'll raise more money than putting up with this crap.

GUTFELD: Yes. You know what, Eric?

And what if a child walks down the street and sees Santa vomiting?

GUILFOYLE: That happened.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Where do you go? I guess, look --

GUILFOYLE: Santa has a stomach virus.

BOLLING: You have the right to drink. Drunks are bad. Drinking is fine. But how creepy to see these guys. Look at the cheap shots.

GUILFOYLE: They are the bad elf.

BOLLING: Forget the ones fighting with each other. It is the haymakers from leftfield. Wow.

BECKEL: And the elves in that, too --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Yes, the elves are very bad --

BOLLING: Only eight citations handed out.

GUTFELD: Yes, it was pretty --

GUILFOYLE: Because it is too hard to identify which Santa did it.

They are like it was the other guy. It was the guy from the South Pole, happened in the North Pole.

PERINO: The guy in the red hat.

BECKEL: And that is a good point. Because when you are wearing a costume you think you are entitled. I was out on the street --

PERINO: And you were in an elf costume.

GUTFELD: Yes. In a place called (INAUDIBLE), which didn't allow Santas in there. And I was smoking outside and Santa demanded my phone, Santa demanded my phone, because they feel if they are Santa, they ask for anything. And they grab people.

PERINO: Did you give it to him?

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: Did he tell you, get back there in and make some toys. He's not finished.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: What is your specialty in Santa store, when you are making your toys?

GUILFOYLE: Gee.

GUTFELD: She's lost her mind.

All right. We're done here.

Coming up, a husband is shot and killed after going Christmas shopping with his wife at the mall. And there is a manhunt under way for the shooter. The details when we come back.

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BECKEL: Greg's still looking for his "One More Thing," so if anybody has any ideas you might want to tweet him.

And anyway, Christmas shopping turns deadly. Last night 30-year-old Dustin Friedland was killed after he and his wife were carjacked outside a shopping mall in New Jersey. His wife is OK. Here's what happened.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The husband, the victim, had opened the door for his wife. She started to get into the vehicle, and he got in the driver's side and started to get ready to enter the vehicle or enter the vehicle and he was approached by two males and was shot before he entered his vehicle.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: There is a manhunt under way for the two suspects, who fled in the couple's SUV.

Now, I don't want to start a raging battle over gun control here, Eric, but New Jersey, yes, the guy was shot.

BOLLING: New Jersey has some of the highest gun control...

BECKEL: Right.

BOLLING: So that's ridiculous. But criminals get guns. Here's the issue. That mall -- I live three miles from that mall.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: That mall is -- there's an area of affluence right next to an area of extreme -- let's call it lower -- lower-class poverty. This happens a lot. I've had three cars stolen.

GUILFOYLE: Three Range Rovers. This was a Range Rover.

BOLLING: This was a Range -- bottom line is this guy was approached with his wife coming out of the mall. Two carjackers approached and said, "Give me the keys." The guy pushed back and said no, actually told the guys no. Gets two bullets to the head while the wife was standing there.

GUILFOYLE: Thirty years of age.

BOLLING: And here's the moral of the story. Someone approaches you and wants your car, you're intimidated, hand it over. The insurance...

BECKEL: Did anybody steal your car when you were there?

BOLLING: I was standing 15 feet from my car on the third theft. The other two I was...

GUILFOYLE: Can I just say one thing? What you said is 100 percent right. It's not worth it. I mean, even if you don't have insurance any more like Bolling, you should still turn over your car, no matter what.

But we don't know for sure that he refused. Because the cops aren't saying that. I mean, there's some speculation that perhaps he said something, because guess what? He probably doesn't want to turn over his wife to some murderous thug, and he's worried about her safety and so, you know, it would make sense he sacrificed his own. Thirty years old and an attorney. Dustin Friedland.

BECKEL: They found the car in Newark, which has a notoriously high crime rate. So can we draw some conclusions here from that?

GUTFELD: Bob, my conclusion is these guys will be caught pretty quickly, because they usually are. And it's an interesting crime because what are they going to gain out of this? They can't sell the car. It's just a terrible crime. I don't even know what else to say other than that it's awful.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. They dumped it.

BECKEL: Crime like this does -- And it bothers you around Christmastime, Dana. I mean, obviously, people are out there shopping. They've got a lot of money and you've got a lot...

PERINO: But you don't think that you're -- it's -- one of the great things about America is we live in this free society that -- where you have a government that, through the taxpayer dollars, we pay for protection. So you just assume -- and you have to in order to live your life -- that you're going to be OK if you go to the shopping mall to get Christmas presents or whatever else they were shopping for.

GUILFOYLE: But they love to steal those Range Rovers.

PERINO: But it shatters your confidence of being able to go to school or to work or just even shopping.

GUILFOYLE: Just the Short Hills Mall, 9 p.m. at night.

BOLLING: So like I said, three cars stolen in that area. I'm am more inclined now -- it's very hard to get a conceal carry license. I'm way more inclined to get my New Jersey conceal carry so that, if I'm confronted by some of these people -- I don't know. I don't know, Bob. Your point about gun control, I think this is -- this is basically telling innocent civilians, the general population, arm yourself against these bad guys.

GUILFOYLE: Because you're under siege.

BECKEL: Let me ask you about the demographics. You said this is an affluent neighborhood right next to a poor neighborhood?

BOLLING: Yes, it's adjacent.

BECKEL: That's unusual to have something like that.

BOLLING: Well, the other part of the demographics of that and the logistics.

GUILFOYLE: Ten miles away.

BOLLING: Is you can actually hit one of the major arteries and come right up to the -- to the ports and a lot of time those cars go right on boats and get shipped away.

GUILFOYLE: And they do. They sell these cars. They strip out the VIN. There is a big market for it.

BECKEL: Well, they had a VIN in this one. That's the saddest part.

GUILFOYLE: Very popular. Don't yell.

BOLLING: There's a murder involved.

GUILFOYLE: Don't yell.

BECKEL: I'm not going to yell at all, because that was not a happy story, and it was mine. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks, Bob.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." My gosh, the commentary.

I have a very, very cute story. I love Pope Francis, and this is a charming little shot you're going to see there. There's the pope, the people's pope, and the little boy was very fascinated with the pontiff's little skull cap. He took it off. The pope loves children.

This was at the Santa Marta Institute at the Vatican that cares for sick children, provide medical care. And you'll remember, of course, that he also received the distinction of TIME Person of the Year. And the best part is his quote. He said, "If the joy is a person of your health (ph), spread the message of the gospel, a message of God's love for everyone. He will certainly be happy about that."

I like him a lot -- Eric.

BOLLING: All right. Very quickly, I wanted to do something on the NSA and that whole thing, but we decided it wasn't the right time to do it.

OK. Listen, fantastic, fantastic "Homeland" Season 3 finale last night.

You've got to watch. I'm not going to spoil it, but watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go, go! Driver, go!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. So I'm not going to spoil it for you. The big question, does Brody survive that episode? You have to see it. Let me know what you think about it. Hit me up on Facebook: Facebook.com/EricBolling, no spaces. Let me know what you think if you saw it. Loved it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Fantastic. That sounds good. I have to start with episode one, so I'll be getting back to you in probably the next three years, but hang tight for that opinion. It's going to be a good one.

Greg.

GUTFELD: "Homeland" is no "Scandal." "Scandal" kills over "Homeland." Just want to point that out.

GUILFOYLE: I love "Scandal." No way.

GUTFELD: "Scandal's" fantastic. Yes, it's a great show.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, I love it.

BOLLING: Saturday night, we lost a legend, Peter O'Toole. He was 81 years old. He's one of the greatest actors that ever lived. And this movie, if you've never seen a Peter O'Toole movie, start with "Lawrence of Arabia," because he plays this enigmatic figure, T.E. Lawrence, and it's an astounding movie. It's very long, but I've seen it maybe five or six times. I think it's probably the greatest movie ever made, better than "Citizen Kane" and "Porky's."

But...

GUILFOYLE: "Porky's"?

GUTFELD: ... check it out. A great man and a great character.

PERINO: Peter O'Toole, a great Irishman.

GUTFELD: He was nominated eight times and never won an Oscar.

GUILFOYLE: He got an honorary Oscar, though. OK. Sorry. Go ahead.

BECKEL: OK. There's a sheriff by the name of John Cooke in Weld County, Colorado, who refuses to uphold the gun laws that were passed by the legislature in the aftermath of Aurora. He's not alone. There are a lot of other sheriffs in Colorado and around the country who don't do it.

It is the law, boys. And so I -- we used to be in the consulting business. Let me give you a little line that I would use if you were gun control advocates out in Colorado. And that is the police who won't follow the law are breaking the law. And they ought to be arrested.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Maybe they could, like, arrest themselves. That would be so weird. OK, Dana.

PERINO: OK. Well, this is a first. I am combining my two favorite "One More Thing" topics in one for the first time. Ever.

GUTFELD: Is there something wrong with Jasper?

PERINO: This is about...

BECKEL: Oh, don't.

PERINO: ... Jasper and Dierks Bentley.

BECKEL: No, we almost made it.

PERINO: Dierks Bentley's folks, they started getting these pictures of people sending in selfies of things that they cared a lot about. And you can go on -- if you go to Instagram, if you hash tag Iholdon, you can also submit one. I did one with Jasper, and I've driven Bob crazy.

Mission accomplished.

GUILFOYLE: Charming.

BECKEL: We almost made it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We're going to see you right back here tomorrow. "Special Report" is next.

BECKEL: Fifty-nine-50.

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Was George W. Bush right about 'Axis of Evil'?

Published Monday, December 16, 2013 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Dana Perino , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 13, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5: 0 in the New York City -- and this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: President Bush warned the world about the axis of evil in 2002.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, THEN-U.S. PRESIDENT: North Korea is a regime armed with missiles and weapons of mass destruction. Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror. Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. States like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.

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TANTAROS: Nearly a dozen years later, there is still a threat from these terror states. North Korea's new dictator's maybe worse that his father. Kim Jong-un just executed his own flesh and blood, his uncle Jang. Iran is getting closer and closer to making the bomb. And there is now word that the American it is holding has been hostage for nearly seven years, he may actually have been working for the CIA. In Iraq, 10 years too the day of the capture of Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda is resurgent and has control a vast parts of the country.

So, let's start with the news about Iranian hostage Robert Levinson. First, I want to discuss the actual operation and then get into the "A.P.'s" decision to run the story, which has been pretty controversial.

Eric, the administration is saying that this was unsanctioned, that this was a rogue group of analysts who sent him in to do spy missions, and he didn't have the authority to do it. Do you think the CIA just giving itself from plausible deniability?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I'm not -- first of all, Jay Carney said he didn't think that leave -- that Levinson was not working for the government when he went over to Iran in 2007. I'm not sure anyone knows that. I'd like to know how he knows that's the case, because "The A.P." is reporting that he did work with or for the CIA in 2007.

The interesting part for me is, though, OK, so, "The A.P." and allegedly "The New York Times" knew about this for three years, right? So, they've known this is -- they are looking for Levinson. They can't find the guy. He may he's a family. They don't know what's going on with him, but they sat on him because the administration said, don't go with this story yet because we're still working on leads.

Three years later, "The A.P." says, look, we keep trying and go with the story and the administration says, how could you do that? Why would you do that? You are jeopardizing the guy.

Well, he's been gone for six years and for three years they've said sit on the story. At some point -- you know, transparency, right? We need to know what's going on.

TANTAROS: Dana, getting into that. Eric mentioned that they decided to run the story. In the story, it said that U.S. officials knew that the Iranians knew that he was CIA. So, if they didn't know, I could see them not running the story. But could you see them doing it to put pressure on an administration that's been dragging its feet?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I do believe in operational security for all of our people, American citizens, whether they are working for the government or not. And I think that the State Department and CIA and other intel agencies have so much responsibility in thinking ahead of the new story, that they used it in order to protect people.

I'm hesitant here because this is a story that I used to get asked about quite a bit and I'm not able to talk about it a lot in particular.

On the news front, when newspapers like "The New York Times" decided to run the terrorist surveillance program in 2005, that was after many months of the White House and maybe a couple of years of the Bush administration asking "The New York Times" not to do it because it would disrupt our ability to track down terrorists and I think that news organizations try to do a fairly good job of balance, but my gut instinct is to err on the side of caution and protection of these individuals.

TANTAROS: Bob, General Ralph Peters was on Gretchen Carlson show earlier today. He said, why didn't this administration try and negotiate his release before they embark in sanctions? Now, this is a delicate scenario. And would you call it maybe a diplomatic crisis? Is there any other way to put it?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: No. First of all, let's keep in mind, before you jump all on this administration, this guy was taken in 2007, two years before he went over there.

Now, the real question in my mind is, we don't have a lot of information here. Why this guy went to Kish Island, which is an Iranian resort island, where you're most likely, if you are an American, you are going to get picked up. He left his hotel. He went into a cab and he disappeared.

Now, I (INUDIBLE) he was a contractor, apparently of the CIA. The CIA paid his family 2.5 million bucks. Something in this story smells to me, and I just don't -- I don't want to comment beyond that, but I just don't think -- the story is a lot more to play out.

TANTAROS: It's a pretty incredible story. I mean, we -- Greg, we assume that there are spies all over the world. I should hope there are spies. Whose story are you buying?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, you know, spying entails risk. Without risk, everybody would spy. If you don't have risks, spying would basically just be hanging out.

But I completely totally forgot that there was a whole other world out there. Because we have an administration for the past -- I don't know -- three or four years that have been obsessing over remaking one sixth of our economy, his legacy. He's like a person who is obsessed with vacuuming one part of the house while the rest of the house is falling apart.

There are so many things going on in this world that are dangerous. The world hasn't changed. It has gotten any safer, but we have an administration that is so focused on one thing that all of these other things are being ignored.

BECKEL: You got ObamaCare in there really quickly, didn't you?

GUTFELD: It's my thing. It's Friday.

TANTAROS: There is another issue that many say is being ignored. We've covered it here on "The Five." But the jailed pastor in Iran, his wife spoke out. She had some harsh words for the United States government saying that Tehran is testing President Obama.

(BEGIN VIDE CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had anticipated that I would battle the Iranian government for my husband's freedom. I never anticipated I would have to battle my own government. So today, Saeed sits in that Iranian prison being tortured for his faith. He will not deny the faith that has saved him, that has given him life. He refuses to deny his faith in Jesus and return to Islam.

This season, I not only pray for the release of my husband, but I hope and pray that our government would realize where we have fallen from, where -- and how far we have fallen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Eric, why is the administration not doing more?

BOLLING: I don't know. Here is an opportunity, you want to lift -- by the way, lifting sanctions is the worst idea this administration has ever had. Only ObamaCare could be the worst idea -- very, very close.

Lifting sanctions on Iran is a mistake. But if you're going to do something, lift part of the sanctions, but also negotiate, what the hell what happened to Levinson? Where the hell is Afridi? We want Afridi back, tell us what's going on with Levinson. Not too much to ask actually.

PERINO: It's surprising that the Iranians don't just take this opportunity to look benevolent and at least allow the pastor to go. If they have problems with espionage or intelligence concerns when it comes to the other individual, OK, there is that.

But on the pastor, it would seem to me that it would work in the Iranian's favor in terms of worldwide recognition of, oh, yes, they are trying to turn a corner. Even though I don't believe that, it is surprising that they don't take this opportunity to free the pastor.

TANTAROS: And their new leader, Rouhani, when he was elected, Greg, remember the praise from some, saying this is going to a new Iran. It's the same Iran, it's even worse.

So, to Dana's point, why don't they do something, if this leader is trying to convince us that he has no intention of harming the United States?

GUTFELD: Yes, he doesn't have to do anything. He's as learned that we will come to him. By the way, I mean, the world -- let's face it, the world is an awful place. And it speaks to a contrast in perspectives in this world, us versus them. And there are people within the United States who will always feel that the prevailing system is the U.S. is the root of all evil. Anything that's happening, whether it's global warming in the Arctic, or poverty in the Middle East, it has to be our fault. But when we see these stories over and over again we are reminded that the world, like Dana, is nasty, Brutus and short.

And the only gleaming hope in this world is the United States. And we're educating people every year that this place is rotten and we're the only hope.

BECKEL: It's all those dam professors, man.

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TANTAROS: Very quickly, Bob, before we get to North Korea. You worked in the White House.

BECKEL: Right.

TANTAROS: What would you advise them to do in this situation?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, I'd be a little careful to say that we haven't made some progress with the Iranians, number one. Number two, the sanctions thing is one of the biggest straw you put out there. I mean, if we have a chance to negotiate, just a chance to get rid of this nuclear grade material, it's worth doing it.

But leaving that aside, I think Dana has got a good point. I think the Iranians should take advantage of this, particularly with the pastor. That one was religious. This other one, I'm not so sure why he's in --

BOLLING: Bob, you know one of the oldest -- it goes right by the book, don't negotiate with terrorists. Don't negotiate with kidnappers. You are negotiating with kidnapping terrorists with the Iranians.

BECKEL: Ronald Reagan negotiated with the Iranians remember with weapons and birthday cake, you remember?

BOLLING: Uh-uh.

BECKEL: Well, it's happened for -- and I think he was for good reasons. I think he thought there was an opportunity. And if there's an opportunity here, we ought to take it.

TANTAROS: All right. Speaking of -- well, no opportunities. North Korea, Eric, Kim Jong-un executed his uncle for alleged womanizing.

BOLLING: Jang is dead?

TANTAROS: He's dead.

BOLLING: Uncle Jang, kaput.

TANTAROS: Womanizing, drinking, embarrassing a North Korean official. So, they executed him. Doesn't it -- when you think about Rodman going over there and how silly and how trivializes it, and then we're reminded just how nasty these people are, doesn't it worry you a little bit?

BOLLING: My concern is less with his judgment of killing poor Uncle Jang and his ex-girlfriend, which he executed as well, and hanging with Iran is that this crazy lunatic has his finger on a nuke. He has nuclear weapons -- 

TANTAROS: The closest we've got is Dennis Rodman going over there.

BOLLING: Poor judgment, you know, when it comes to press the button or not, I mean, you're not sure what he's going to do.

GUTFELD: You know, it's got to be hard being a relative of a dictator, because you never know -- you never know. I think the threat of death outweighs the perks you get, like the free cars, because if you send him the wrong gift he kills you.

You know, if the world were a neighborhood, North Korea is Ariel Castro's home and we're lucky enough not to live nearby. But sooner or later you have to go over, you've got to get into that house. You've got to evict those people. You've got to save the people in there.

We sit there and we talk about doing good in this world, North Korea really is the sore of this planet, and the way they treat their people and execute people for having bibles or seeing movies, it's a horrible, horrible place. And we're the only people that can do anything.

TANTAROS: Speaking of doing something, Bob, we've got to shift gears a little bit. But moving on to Iraq, 10 years later since the capture of Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda has infiltrated Iraq, it's at risk of being a failed state. What do you think about this? I mean, President Obama has said that al Qaeda is on the run. They've been decimated and now, the security on the border has been completely been obliterated and you see them infiltrating and trying to overthrow the government.

BECKEL: It doesn't come as a great surprise. I mean, when you had the border between two former enemies, Iraq and Iran, and Iraq keeping Iran in check, and now the Iranians are running over Iraq and having a lot of control, I'm not surprised to see it. I would be very careful that a big swath of the country is in the hands of al Qaeda at this game of the game. We just don't know. That's the problem.

TANTAROS: But Iran does have an interest. I mean, they are both Shiite and al Qaeda is trying to over throw the government.

PERINO: And for years and years, Iran has been giving money to al Qaeda in order to help target and kill our soldiers and innocent Iraqis. I maintain it didn't have to be this way. I think there -- President Obama had an opportunity to continue with the surge policy to move forward with it. What?

BECKEL: Go ahead and finish.

PERINO: Well, now, I've lost think train of thought.

BECKEL: I was going to say if we haven't had that war, Iranians wouldn't be crossing into Iraq.

PERINO: And I know you're going to say -- look -- but you have to play the hand -- the cards that you're dealt and then president decided to go a different direction and I think that's one of the reasons --

BOLLING: How do you know? How do you know they are not looking to take over the whole Middle East?

BECKEL: How do I know who? Who's taking --

BOLLING: The Iranians. They've already that Israel shouldn't be on the map.

BECKEL: All I know is that the Iraqis lost a million fighting the Iranians. If you think for a second that Saddam Hussein would have allowed them to have a nuclear war or a nuclear warhead?

BOLLING: You're making , you said to Dana was, if we haven't fought the war in Iraq, the war in Iraq didn't happen, the Iranians wouldn't try and take Iraq.

PERINO: You don't think there would be a nuclear weapons race in the Middle East, beyond Iran?

BECKEL: Well, I think Hussein -- well, it's another -- 

PERINO: We do foreign policy really well.

BOLLING: You worry about the Chinese more than the Iranians. I think.

BECKEL: I do. I worry about North Korea, frankly, luckily worst than I do --

TANTAROS: Bob, al Qaeda is growing and it's now a brand. They're not the typical cells they used to be. And our president said that we've decimated them.

All right, got to go.

Coming up, things got very heated in the White House briefing room between reporters and Jay Carney.

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JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We did not create the Internet, this administration and --

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: That's right, Al Gore did. We'll tell you what that's all about.

And later, Britney Spears exercises her right to bear arms in her music video, firearms that is. But fans might not get to see her with her pistols.

It's all ahead on "The Five."

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PERINO: So, hell hath no fury like reporters denied access to a president. Things came to a head yesterday after photographers weren't allow on Air Force One for the president's trip to South Africa this week, or not allowed to take pictures.

Jay Carney got quite an earful.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CARNEY: Hasn't it always been OK for reporters to take pictures?

REPORTER: Through all the hours that you spoke of, Jake, it was not possible for one second --

CARNEY: We did not create the Internet, this administration, and, guys --

(CROSSTALK)

REPORTER: Our problem is the access. You can put out a million pictures a day from a White House photographer and you bar --

CARNEY: And what I'm saying --

REPORTER:  And you put --

CARNEY: -- hold on.

(CROSSTALK)

CARNEY: Hey, guys --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Well, it looks like they are having more fun than a barrel of monkeys in the press room.

Here is my point on this and we'll take it around the table. Photojournalists don't get enough credit for being journalists. They're actually are some of the best historians and political analyst that you'll ever find. And President Obama never takes a bad picture. All they're asking for is an opportunity to take pictures like they've done in the past, regardless of the Internet.

Bob, why don't they let them in to take pictures of an official event?

BECKEL: I have no idea. I mean, the picture -- we've talked about this before, I think the picture of Obama and Bush together would have been a good picture for Obama, frankly. But I don't understand.

Did you ever get yelled at like that?

PERINO: I'm sure I did.

BECKEL: You did?

PERINO: I'm sure I handled it just so well, though.

BECKEL: It seemed pretty out of control at one point.

PERINO: Actually, I thought that was fairly tame.

BECKEL: It was?

PERINO: Yes.

BECKEL: Who would want that job?

PERINO: We only have a couple of minutes.

Andrea, what do you think? Reporters, there's a big -- are they making a mountain out of a mole hill or they do have a point?

TANTAROS: I don't think so. This was a theme, right? So, a couple of months ago, led by Ed Henry, the press corps was pretty angry that the only thing they got from the president was a picture of him golfing when he went South to golf with, I believe, Tiger Woods.

This is my problem, though, Dana -- the White House said we're going to be transparent. We're going to give you lots of access, won't even let them take a picture. But, look, I'm not surprised that they are cutting back the access for the reporters. Things are not going very well. It makes them look like complete control freaks and ridiculous. Although the media, it's a little late for them to complain about access. Where they were complaining when they invoke executive order or executive privilege on Fast and Furious and all these other scandals?

So, to hear them complain, I mean, I guess better late than never but --

PERINO: I think that's a fairly good point.

You, too, have anything to say on this or do you want to go to the lie of the year?

GUTFELD: Yes, I have something to say.

PERINO: All right.

GUTFELD: Gee, whiz. No, boo hoo, boo hoo! This is not a conflict. This is a lover's quarrel. These guys have kept their powder dry until this guy was elected. And now they're winning. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

From 2007 to 2012, they were roofied by the White House. And now they're waking up all groggy and they're going, what the hell just happened, why is this guy so mean to me?

I don't care. It's like grounding your kid after he already moved out. What's the point?

So, yes, I have something to say.

PERINO: I do. I think there is something to be said, that they seeded so much ground and now, when they're fighting, they're complaining.

BOLLING: Very quickly, Pete Souza, a great White House photographer, the problem is, when you control that, it's not journalism.

PERINO: And he used to be a photo dog, like the rest of us.

BOLLING: If you don't let the independent photographer and photograph what's going on, you don't know what's going in. You're only getting what the White House wants you to know, and that's not journalism.

PERINO: It's a strange thing for them to complain. I think it's a strange battle for the White House to want to fight right now. I mean, the president takes great pictures, just let them take the pictures.

The other thing is you have breaking news last night on "The Five," because we found out from PolitiFact that lie of the year is: if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. That was said by President Obama, over 36 times. He added "period".

Anybody have thoughts about the lie of the year?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Hold on. Let's be fair. That exactly wasn't the lie of the year. He said it 30-something times. The lie came on November 4th when he said, was I said was you could keep it period, if -- and then he went on to explain, and that part where he said he was saying it all along, he had never said it before. And in the age of video, knowing we're going to pull a video, pull a tape on it, that was the lie of the year and, boy, was it a -- 

PERINO: And, Andrea, here is nine people who also told the lie who could be up for election in 2014 and 2016. Those are members, of course, and Hillary Clinton actually started it.

TANTAROS: OK, Republicans, we are approaching January 1st. You now have PolitiFact behind you. This should be the message, Dana, on January 1st, more people will not have insurance because of this law than have it.

It is very, very simple. It is the exact opposite goal of what the law intended and it is not a political crisis any more. I mean, this is a legitimate crisis. A crisis, not a political one. And they need to get on board.

PERINO: Greg?

GUTFELD: The new lie is going to be that the Democrats will be running on ObamaCare and I say go for it, you'll have better luck playing tennis on Ambien, which is often fun, I've tried it.

PERINO: Especially when you are half asleep.

OK, Bob, you're done. Are we good?

All right. Ahead on "The Five" --

GUTFELD: Why do you have to rush through these segments?

PERINO: Well, they're telling me 20 times, for like three minutes --

GUTFELD: But it's stupid. Then don't give it so many topics.

Seriously, we're sitting here. Everyone has something to say.

TANTAROS: The secret Santa -- 

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Don't kill the co-host messenger.

Disturbing new information about the violent past of the sign language interpreter in Nelson Mandela's funeral and is booze more dangerous for James Bond than bad guys. That's one study says about 007's drinking habits, next.

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BOLLING: Welcome back.

What do Britney Spears, Nelson Mandela and James Bond have in common?

I'll give you a second to think about it. Times up. They're all part of the fastest seven minutes on TV.

Let's go. First up, in the story that gets wackier by the way, the sign language interpreter who claimed he was schizophrenic has been accused of murder, rape, theft and more -- that's right --- and yet he was able to stand next to the most powerful people in the world, including our president.

Greg, you pointed that out a couple of days ago, scary and this is scarier.

GUTFELD: Yes. This is -- South Africa is not a good place if you cannot find an interpreter at the time of your largest historical event.

Here is a question. Did anyone stick around after the funeral or do world leaders leave South Africa like they were driving through a bad neighborhood? The sad statement here is while Bishop Tutu was at the funeral, his house got robbed.

BOLLING: Right. It was burglarized. It gets crazier.

Dana, your thoughts on this?

PERINO: I would just say it is supremely irresponsible of the South Africans, and also, you should think about our own security work forces. I think Greg had a great point about how much money the taxpayers spent to protect President Obama and other leaders and we should do a better job of protecting that investment.

BOLLING: Bob, you would think that -- I'm not sure what's around his neck, I would think they'd be credentials. When they get credentials, don't they check your background?

BECKEL: Yes, first of all, I'm surprised you are so worried about Obama.

GUTFELD: What? He's our president.

BECKEL: That was a joke.

Here's the thing that amazes me. There were 60,000 people there and somebody had to be -- why didn't a deaf person say something?

PERINO: Bob -- I mean, how could they say something?

BECKEL: Well, they could do their sign language, saying that dude's not doing it.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: I don't really know where to go.

BECKEL: I mean, that's a legitimate point.

BOLLING: Here's a good idea, we'll just move on.

GUTFELD: You know what? He got a job as a third base coach.

TANTAROS: Let's go to the next one. You know what? I like Britney Spears better any way.

BOLLING: I hot new video out, they are OK with the sex stuff but guns, not so much. Watch.

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BOLLING: OK. So, what happens here -- that's a video that they taped. But they pull the scene that had guns in it. I think we have a picture. Can we go to the picture of the gun? See, look at this. So, they pulled this scene out of the video, Ands.

TANTAROS: Good. Finally someone has a little bit of responsibility and that's what they are saying. They're saying, look, she's got younger listeners. If you want to watch the version with the guns in it, go to this Web site and watch it.

But I think it is very smart and responsible. And Britney Spears is not a hypocrite. She's not an entertainer that goes after people with guns in PSA's and has them in her videos. She's responsible in both fronts. I'd say, good for you, Britney.

BOLLING: I have a 15-year-old son, I'm not sure if I'm more concerned about him seeing guns or Britney grinding that dude --

BECKEL: Well, I must have missed something. But I saw guns in that spot.

TANTAROS: Oh, Bob!

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: Well, OK, following Bob talking about that -- the music is not for me. I don't like it. I don't like it.

GUTFELD: I don't know. I have to say, it's good to see that she's becoming more thoughtful as she's heading into her late 40s. She's probably one of the sexiest grandmothers out there.

What's her next career move -- because the teenage base, if you leave the marketplace for two years, you lose your audience, they quit listening.

PERINO: Also, the other thing, in 10 years if we're lucky enough to still be doing this show, after today, who knows? But Miley Cyrus will be the subject of the same type of thing. She's going to make her amazing comeback. She's --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: First they are messing with Santa Claus and now the P.C. police are saying James Bond is an alcoholic. Come on. Bond is cool as they come.

Anyone else sick of the wussies trying to ruin everything fun?

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UNDIENTIFIED MALE: Can I do something for you, Mr. Bond?

JAMES BOND: Just a drink. A martini, shaken not stirred.

A martini, shaken, not stirred.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Greg, you say this happens often?

GUTFELD: Yes. You know what? I think it's time for a new James Bond. He's a hurtful, bullying man. I think I would like to see a sequential hermaphroditic guidance councilor named Seth, and he solves world problems through therapeutic massage and a magic pair of leg warmers.

TANTAROS: And a fleece --

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: -- with a beard.

BOLLING: How do you follow that one?

BECKEL: I'm an alcoholic and this guy wasn't an alcoholic but what he did do is get a lot of other things.

BOLLING: Did you have a problem saying with him saying, "Martini shaken, not stirred"?

BECKEL: That's a wussy thing anyway, because they put vermouth in it. Why do you ruin good liquor with some vermouth?

BOLLING: Just waves it over the top, just sprays a little bit over the top.

TANTAROS: A couple of points, Bob. In this article, they actually say, because of the alcohol he's consumed he couldn't get that other thing you were talking about, I assume it's Bond girls, because he -- you know.

BECKEL: What do you mean? He got them in every movie.

TANTAROS: No, they said he had like, I don't know, impotence or something.

BOLLING: All right.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: We have ads for it, why can't we talk about it?

TANTAROS: Wait, one more thing, 39 units of booze, he jumps in his car. He has a high speed. He crashes and 14 days in the hospital. That's not "Casino Royale." That's Bob in 1983.

BOLLING: Dana, let's stand up for the American male and say, you know, it's OK. Is this all right for you?

PERINO: Yes, bottoms up.

BOLLING: There you go.

BECKEL: Bottoms up.

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GUTFELD: I know a bar called that.

BOLLING: I do too.

PERINO: As does Bob.

BOLLING: Coming up, ESPN reverses itself and allows a Jesus commercial to air but why did they deny it in the first place? We'll get to the bottom of that coming up.

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GUTFELD: All right. According to a new Gallup poll, wealthy religious Americans report the highest charitable giving and volunteering. Of course, this is self-reported so they could be better fibbers than givers. I tried to write off some charity work last year, but technically, those teens weren't really asking for help.

But that's the problem with charity. Who do you trust and who's better at it? That's a war between the private choices of the individual and those who know better in the government.

One embraces charity, the other coercion. I accept safety nets, I get it. But the argument for redistribution is based on brandishing you as selfish. This erroneous notion of greed persists, however, because the media is lazy and most charity is private. Evil, rich, God-fearing freaks like Mitt Romney, they don't brag, unlike the boastful bureaucrat who claims he can roll back the oceans when he can't roll out a website.

That's the difference between charity and government, one works and the other shirks. Government can feel great spending your money because the burden's not on their wallets. So, no metrics apply. That's why taxpayers have spent $14,000 for each ObamaCare enrollee so far. It's horrifying but ironic, who knew that the God-fearing one-percenters are way better at spreading the wealth than any community organizer.

BECKEL: What exactly do you do for teens to get charitable --

BOLLING: You know what the problem is?

GUTFELD: What?

BOLLING: It's been enlarged. They filed the 501c3 and then --

GUTFELD: Yes, they can't even speak English.

BECKEL: I want Greg to answer that question. What was the charity work you were doing with teens?

GUTFELD: I like to help people in need, Bob. I often drive around in a van and volunteer whenever I can.

BECKEL: You pick up wayward teen-agers?

GUTFELD: Yes, I do. They are over 18.

Ands, let's -- we'll get back on topic here.

The survey was done by Gallup to mark the anniversary of Sandy Hook.  They found that 65 percent of respondents volunteer their time and 83 percent donate money. Those are pretty. Surprising to you?

TANTAROS: Yes -- actually, it's not surprising. "The New York Times" actually reported that last year that 91 percent of Americans have more faith in nonprofits than the federal government.

And even though we pay not as much as other countries in taxes, we are the most benevolent country in the nation.

You know, the thing about the Jane Fonda charity that didn't pay very much to charity, it's not surprising. When you look at the charitable donations of the Bidens, for example, $369, paltry $369. Government is their charity. They want us to give money to government, to your point, so they don't have to.

GUTFELD: Dana, my charity, as you know, were waitresses and bartenders all throughout my neighborhood.

PERINO: And very generosity.

GUTFELD: I am very generous. They found however that religious charities are on the decline. Is that because generosity is waning?

PERINO: Possibly. Although I think it will be interesting to see if the Pope changes that because he is bringing a new renewed focus I think to the purpose of Christian love.

Philanthropy is now an entire industry. There are actually consultants who will help you figure out who are the best charts to donate to. We are very generous and I think private sector and nonprofits do a lot better than government because they can actually touch someone's heart rather than just giving them a handout.

BECKEL: One of the most charitable givers I know is sitting right here, and the fact is that his summer, which we've never been invited was saved by the government dune that was put in front of it.

BOLLING: The Girl Scouts.

BECKEL: Government has to do with it and you get the Girls Scouts --

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BECKEL: They couldn't have done it without the dune being put up by the government.

GUTFELD: I don't understand.

BECKEL: Anyway, you were watching the Girl Scouts, I was watching the government with sand.

GUTFELD: What is he talking about?

BECKEL: We'll pound sand, which saved his house, which we haven't been invited to.

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GUTFELD: Do you want to respond, Eric, or should I move on?

BOLLING: Let's move on.

GUTFELD: All right. Didn't see where that was going on.

All right. Coming up, did ESPN ban a commercial to raise -- how can you laugh at that? Anyway, raise money for children's hospital because it contained a word "Jesus" and "God" in it. That's straight ahead on "The Five."

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GUTFELD: A Christmas song.

BECKEL: That was Paul McCartney singing that song.

If you can believe, ESPN thought this commercial referencing God and the birth of Christ was too offensive for their air.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Each Christmas, thousands in our communities send messages of hope to sick and injured children. We celebrate the birth of Jesus and the season of giving, bringing hope to the many children, parents and families that we serve. Help us reveal God's healing presence at Christmas. Send your message of hope at Glennon.org.

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BECKEL: To their credit, ESPN reversed that decision. It will air Saturday during a college basketball game. Yes, good for them. But -- sorry. But what was the big deal in the first place? That was the question I was going to ask anybody. What was the big deal?

TANTAROS: Well, they say, according to their rules, they can't have anything with religious or political connotations on their airwaves.

But why bother is the point? Now they've got an onslaught of bad P.R. And this is the same network that was running commercials for Obama care on its ads, so clearly they can make an exception when it fits their political association.

BECKEL: Do you think it's because they were going to offend other religions like Muslims, for example?

BOLLING: I have no idea why they wouldn't run that. It's a children's hospital. Come on, give me a break. For kids.

BECKEL: I agree.

PERINO: If an imam decided to put an ad out, do you think they would have declined it?

BOLLING: Oh, no.

TANTAROS: I doubt it.

BECKEL: I would have canceled my cable subscription.

PERINO: I also think that ESPN, in their initial judgment, shows how out of touch they are with their viewers and their fans.

GUTFELD: I would -- a P.R. suggestion for ESPN, lay off the children's hospitals. It's not a good target. It's a layup for O'Reilly. Now he's not going to shut up about it. He's walking around the halls: "Did you see what I did to ESPN? Did you see what I did?"

Yes, we get it.

Would they have rejected -- would they have rejected a Muslim children's hospital? I Googled. I found one in India.

BOLLING: I have some inside information on how O'Reilly will handle that later on tonight.

GUTFELD: Yes?

BOLLING: I'll break the news later.

BECKEL: Well, he'll handle it -- is he on today or are you on?

BOLLING: You'll have to wait and find out.

BECKEL: OK. Well, you'll do it, too. You'll follow in his footsteps. You wouldn't do that. You would just say O'Reilly said this then; he was wrong. Wouldn't you say that?

BOLLING: Don't we have to go.

BECKEL: Yes, you have to go. "One More Thing" up next.

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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." But before we get started, it's 12 days until Christmas, so it's time to do our secret Santa picks. That's right: on Christmas Eve, we'll open the presents.

OK so first, let me reach around in the hat -- Dana.

PERINO: OK.

TANTAROS: Can you hand that to Dana?

PERINO: Let's see. Can I open it? I can look and see who...

TANTAROS: Yes, but you cannot say who it is.

PERINO: All right. Did you tell Bob the same rules?

TANTAROS: All right. And then we've got -- here we go. Pick out of the hat here, and then Greg.

GUTFELD: Oh, I hope I don't get Lou Dobbs again. Trying to find extra-large swim trunks.

TANTAROS: Probably not. Do not say what you have, Bob. Do not say it.

BECKEL: I can't get the dang thing open. It said -- did you do that on purpose because you thought I was going to say something? OK. Just for that -- who?

TANTAROS: Don't say.

BECKEL: Oh, I got Andrea.

GUTFELD: Nice.

BECKEL: Well if they hadn't scooped me up...

TANTAROS: I'll show you the pair of shoes I want after the show.

BECKEL: Oh, no. I really don't.

TANTAROS: Dana, you're first.

PERINO: For "One More Thing"?

TANTAROS: Yes.

PERINO: OK. Great.

I had -- my favorite night in New York City was last night. I went to the Beacon Theater and I got to see Dierks Bentley. He's my favorite country music artist. I took Joshua the producer. He's there on the left, Dierks Bentley in the middle. And NASH 94.7 FM is the first country station in New York for a long time. They held this event. My husband Peter went.

And I did something like night that you'd never see me do on the show, and Joshua captured it here.

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BECKEL: That's good.

PERINO: I danced the whole night. I know the words to every song, and he has a new album coming out called "Riser." It's great.

BECKEL: Why don't you dance for us when we dance? She just...

PERINO: I don't dance on set, but I will dance.

TANTAROS: All right. So in the "Huffington Post," there was an argument about Greek wisdom -- shut up, Bob -- and what it can teach the rest of the world. So I figured I'd pull some tips from "The Huffington Post" and share them with you this holiday season.

BECKEL: How to build diners.

TANTAROS: Here's some wisdom. They take naps. Take naps. They appreciate the value of a good walk.

PERINO: I'm for that.

TANTAROS: They ask the big questions. They take hospitality and generosity very seriously. That is true. And they take time for leisure. And they come together over good food and drink.

PERINO: Where's the working part? Where's the go to work job part?

TANTAROS: That's not in there.

BECKEL: They don't do that.

TANTAROS: I'm an anomaly. My family's an anomaly. And the ones that came to this country. Right, Bob?

BECKEL: That's right. You've all got diners.

TANTAROS: All right. Robert, you're up.

BECKEL: OK. Well, the Tea Party's at it again. And you know, the Republicans, they sent it back twice and the Tea Party, of course, got it in in the primary, the Republicans who were up, and then they lost their seats. Now, these are Republicans who are up -- all of them now the incumbent Republicans who are being challenged by Tea Party candidates.

Tea Party keep at it. Where do I send the contribution, because you have done nothing but screw up the Republican Party?

BOLLING: They also got the House to...

TANTAROS: That's true. That's what I want for Christmas, donate money to the Tea Party. OK?

BOLLING: I'll go very, very quickly. So I'm walking through the hall this afternoon. Take a look who I bumped into. Where's the picture. There he is -- I was like where's the Secret Service?

Anyway, I asked that guy -- I'm going to be hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" tonight. I asked that guy to show up, and so you have to stay -- stick around.

TANTAROS: Does it come off?

PERINO: Are those his real ears?

BECKEL: Have you ever seen a picture with Eric?

TANTAROS: They're not his...

BOLLING: What do you mean? Who? Who are you talking about?

TANTAROS: Never mind.

BECKEL: Never mind.

TANTAROS: Greg.

GUTFELD: "Red Eye" tomorrow, 11 p.m. Saturday. Governor Huckabee is going to be making a very, very big announcement on "Red Eye" tomorrow. It's here first. It's not on "O'Reilly." It's not on "Hannity." I got it first.

In other news, Media Matters has declared victory over Fox News. In other news, the fleas have declared victory over cats. Stupid, stupid Media Matters.

BECKEL: Who's that?

TANTAROS: Who's Media Matters?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BECKEL: Are we done already?

TANTAROS: We're done, but...

BECKEL: How come you guys said to hurry it up?

TANTAROS: What do you want for Christmas, Bob? Just so you're...

BECKEL: I'm dumping you, man. You're too expensive.

TANTAROS: You're dumping me?

BECKEL: No, I don't have you. I was only kidding, because you said, "Don't say who it is." Of course, you say that to me, I'm going to say it, right? No, I got someone else.

TANTAROS: OK.

BECKEL: Dana.

PERINO: Can I get the next Dierks Bentley album?

TANTAROS: Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here on Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody. "Special Report" is up next.

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