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Published Friday, February 13, 2015 / The Five
With Eric Bolling , Bob Beckel , Dana Perino , Andrea Tantaros , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 13, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

So ISIS is now fully in control of another Iraqi town and just launched a suicide attack on the perimeter of Al Asad Airbase a few miles from al-Baghdadi. More than 300 U.S. marines are stationed there. Here's Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby on where things stand now.


JOHN KIRBY, PENTAGON PRESS SECRETARY: We're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 25 total ISIL fighters, at least several suicide attackers. And we do -- early indications are that, yes, some of them did detonate their vests, detonate themselves. They were immediately engaged by members of the Iraqi army, the seventh infantry of the Iraqi army. All were killed.


BOLLING: But he's still downplaying the threat.


KIRBY: I don't think we should make more out of this. I'm not saying we're dismissing the seriousness of the potential breach here, or of the increased activity by ISIL. But we ought not to make more than needs to be made of it. This is an enemy that we still assess to be in defensive posture. It's one town. It's not all of Iraq. We need to keep it in perspective.


BOLLING: Just noting here, the president's been shooting selfie videos this week. And the commander-in-chief is now on his way to sunny California for much needed R&R golf and high-priced fundraisers. Yolo, Bob.


BOLLING: You only live once, remember? The video from yesterday.

BECKEL: I thought it was kind of appropriate backdrop for what he's doing this weekend. I mean, he's getting ready to go out and play a little golf. And, you know, doing a selfie. I think that's part of it. Seriously, you expect the commander in chief on everything -- I'm not downplaying it either, but it's one town. It's 25 people. He's going to stop himself from doing whenever that happens he's going to stop himself completely.

BOLLING: Dana, you think it's one town and they're not actually making inroads.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I believe the Pentagon press secretary. I don't feel he has reason to downplay the threat because there are reporters on the ground. The first reports we saw were from Reuters, so I think that's probably accurate.

BOLLING: I'm not necessarily talking this attack. I'm talking about in general.

PERINO: I think it's impossible to know. Because last week when they were trying to push that Kobani had been returned to Iraqi hands, at the same time ISIS had increased its land territory by 30 percent within Syria. So I don't know if -- it's not exactly one for one. I think it's just too hard to know. I don't think they're lying to us though. I also think we have to point out that the president actually is in California because he held a cyber security summit today. And he did tack on the trip to Palm Springs after that. But he was on serious business.

BOLLING: OK. Thanks, Dana. So great.


PERINO: We have to be fair.

BOLLING: No, because we've been talking about whether or not this strategy or lack thereof is working or not. But when you listen to the Admiral Kirby, it sounds like it's working.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, it's terrifying what's going on with all of this climate change, seizing control of Northern Iraq, I think Obama should send Bill the science guy there with a selfie stick, and fight this climate change. My joke here is that their obsessions with other issues have allowed this to happen. However, what's going on in this area isn't necessarily bad. The fact is you can only step on roaches when you can see them. And the strategy is to create a place for them to go. And then you follow a simple equation in which you kill more of them than actually enlist. For every new recruit, you know, we should try to kill four. I mean, it's all about enticing them. We should open a flag company. And then whoever buys an ISIS flag, you follow them home and kill everybody.

BECKEL: You know what I heard today? I heard President Obama say he called out the shootings in North Carolina and the three Muslim students that were killed -- he said no one should be targeted for their faith. Targeted, very important, because it was just a day ago he said the shooting, the terrorist attack in the Jewish deli in Paris was a random act. I'm seeing inconsistencies here.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Well, he's mentioned religion as well bringing up Christianity and Christianity has flaws as well. He hasn't invoked (ph) religion from time to time, but Greg's absolutely right. They have focused on all these other issues because they don't want to focus on terrorism in the Middle East. But not just that, for them to focus on ISIS, they have to retract the storyline they sold us which was Iraq was going to be the greatest achievement of the administration. That's what Biden told us that. We know that's not true. The president wasn't going to his intelligence briefings, he wasn't reading his intelligence memos, he was saying ISIS is jayvee. There was an opportunity to take them out and he didn't want to do it for political reasons because he wants to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan politically. That's what he wanted. So now, he's faced with going in wiping them out or doing nothing. But half-hearted measures in war, as the famous saying goes, are madness. So he either has to go and wipe them out or do nothing. Right now, he's provoking the Jihadis without doing anything. So he is stirring them up, poking the bee's nest and they're going to come after us.

BECKEL: Isn't the ultimate answer here Is only one of two things, either go in.


BOLLING: And do it.

TANTAROS: Or do nothing. Exactly.


BECKEL: Look, there's been a lot of air drops, a lot of people killed, a lot of things being done. We don't give enough credit to the Iraqis who I've been dumping on for a long time, but apparently, they are doing a good job in this one. We know the Kurds are doing a good job. So I'm not sure willing to answer that question, are you willing to send troops on the ground?

BOLLING: If it's working and everyone thinks Admiral Kirby's right and it is working, I prefer troops on the ground be Arab coalition group of troops on the ground rather than American troops. No one is crazy about President Obama invoking targeted attacks to the three Muslim students that were killed over likely a parking space, yet he won't say Islamic terrorist and calls Paris attack in a kosher deli nothing to do with.

PERINO: I think he would say he's been consistent. And I could see how they could draw that line, as weird as that might seem to us, I think he could probably say let's look at all these statements. If you want to do a sentence diagramming, he could show that he was.

GUTFELD: Also, we don't know if it was a parking space. We've heard that. The guy that -- the guy who killed these poor people is a horrible, horrible man and he should be hung in a park. He is a disgusting person. And I think what bugs me most about this is why the hell are we introducing politics into that story? Let it go and deal with it as a horrible, horrible crime. Find out what really happened there, what really happened there, and don't turn it into a political football.

BOLLING: Very good.

TANTAROS: I do get what you're saying though, Eric, because there have been instances where he's targeted companies like the hobby lobby who are Christian companies and he has used harsher rhetoric for them sometimes than he has actually when he is addressing.

BOLLING: Very good. We'll move on. My point simply was we know they targeted the kosher deli because of its ties to Jewish people, likelihood of Jewish people being in the deli. I think it's pretty obvious. Anyway, let's move on. How serious is the threat -- ISIS threat to America? Listen to this assessment from Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein.


SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN, D-CALIF.: We've seen the beheadings, we've seen the burnings, we've seen the hostages taken, we've seen people frog walked and then essentially mowed down. We've seen massacres. We've seen Christians killed simply because they were Christian and not Muslim. There's never been a time when there are more threats to the United States than there is now. So as I said once before, we're either going to fight them there or we're going to fight them here.


BOLLING: She is in a position to have a very educated opinion on that.

PERINO: Right. So her comments were in reaction to this new authorization to use military force question that's in front of the congress. On the left, the concerns -- this is not Dianne Feinstein, but democrats who would be farther left than she is on this, are saying it's too strong, it's too open-ended. It gives the president too much leeway. We don't want to go for it. The republicans on the other hand are looking at the language that the president said over and saying this actually doesn't look like it would achieve what she just outlined we need to achieve that we either fight them there or we're going to fight them here. So I think that the president, once again because they did not use very clear language has put forward legislation that the congress is not going to be able to pass without significant changes, and if it passes at all. The president has shown he's willing to do whatever he has been doing over the last six months without asking the congress for permission. Probably doesn't need anything additional.

BECKEL: The point we talked about yesterday -- yes, there's absolutely nothing in this legislation that he could do without legislation. What he's done is open himself up to the left -- everybody both left and the right to attach things on it. The left is worried about (inaudible). That resolution led to a very broad (ph) war in Vietnam. I mean, why do want to give yourself that kind of Christmas tree for people to hang bulbs on it.

BOLLING: And two-thirds of Americans polled in Fox News poll say he's not doing enough in fighting Islamic terrorism.

TANTAROS: I think that's probably true. I think the beheadings recently don't help. I would, to answer your question, Bob, why is he doing it this way? To me, it's suspect that he circumvents congress on the things he really wants to do. He doesn't want to do this, so it tells me he wants cover from congress. And he says let them fight it out, right? He's dragged one way where they don't agree to put boots on the ground then he can say oh, that was their decision. If it's the other way, he can blame them if something goes wrong. I think he's reaching out to congress for a CYA attempt, cover your behind, and he doesn't do.


TANTAROS: There's another word I can't say it on TV though.

BOLLING: Dianne Feinstein, refreshing to hear a democrat call it what it is.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I mean, well, with evil we need to be all-in. But it's hard when the president is all out. And he has -- it's a philosophical issue with him when you're dealing with the powerful versus the powerless. You cannot call it what it is. And that's why I think the poll doesn't -- the poll represents kind of a skepticism about his own desires for achieving a victory when in his own head, he doesn't believe in victory. He doesn't believe in winning or losing. I mean, look, if we had stayed there, this wouldn't have happened. And it was based on the idea that staying there was somehow weird, but we've stayed for extended periods of time in places after wars. That's normal. What's weird is leaving after you've won and letting -- and squandering a victory. That's weird.

BOLLING: And maybe putting a timeframe on it. Remember authorization use of military force has three-year limit on it whereas you are just pointing out, if you just kept going, you didn't have a time limit. Last one, today at the Pentagon Fox's James Rosen asked Admiral Kirby a very interesting question. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you say that Barack Obama as commander-in-chief has had a positive impact on the morale of the men and women of the United States Armed Forces?

KIRBY: The commander-in-chief is the commander in chief. He deserves and he has the respect of every man and woman in the United States military. And it doesn't matter to us who's in the White House or who sits on Capitol Hill. What matters is we do the job we're told to do.


BOLLING: Dana, good answer?

PERINO: Excellent answer. The only possible answer, the best answer. It should always be the answer. Now, you have seen polls that show that the military has had a decline in approval for President Obama, but they are professionals. You hardly hear anyone ever utter those words. They keep their personal opinions to themselves. They're there to do a job on behalf of all the American people. And I thought Admiral Kirby answered that perfectly.

GUTFELD: Yeah, the most important thing in the military is chain of command.

BOLLING: It doesn't matter who he is. He is still the commander-in-chief.


TANTAROS: Yeah, go ahead, Bob.

BECKEL: I was going to say that chain of command -- this commander-in- chief, you don't agree with his position. Therefore it's not a good chain of command.

BOLLING: Who me?


BOLLING: I don't agree with his position on what?

BECKEL: Almost everything.

BOLLING: I'm pretty much on board with everything he's done with ISIS. You do realize that, right?

BECKEL: No, I didn't realize that.

BOLLING: OK. Well, anyway, Andrea, your thoughts on this.

TANTAROS: I think there have been things he's done that would make sense for why the military is not feeling very good about this president. One, they've spent millions of dollars and lost blood and treasure to capture these terrorists in Gitmo, and he's releasing them. So if you're one of the men and women who went out to get one of these terrorists or one of the families that was home while that was happening, you've got to be pretty ticked off right now. Also when he came out and said we don't have a strategy on ISIS, imagine if you're at the department of defense, you're like how can you say that, we have strategies. If you're at the CIA, you're upset about trying to try interrogation officials for doing their job. And letting Iraq go, letting Iraq slide. If you served in Iraq, you've got to be pretty upset right now. So I can understand that.

PERINO: Don't forget the budget.

TANTAROS: And cutting benefits, yeah.

GUTFELD: And simultaneously you have deaths at the V.A. while Chelsea Manning is getting hormone treatments.

BOLLING: On the house.

TANTAROS: And a new column.

GUTFELD: New column on The Guardian

BOLLING: Well-deserved I might add.


BOLLING: One thing I don't agree with is when Susan Rice is making phone calls to the field generals telling them what the White House thinks.

BECKEL: I agree with you on that.

BOLLING: I need to go where telling me. Up next, should you have to have a college degree to become president of the United States? We're going to debate that. And later, Facebook Friday, one of our favorite segments. Send us your questions on We'll answer them coming up.


PERINO: Hey, so should it matter if a president has a college degree? Former presidential candidate Howard Dean thinks so. He just took on presidential 2016 contender Governor Scott Walker for leaving Marquette University his senior year before getting a diploma, accusing him of being unknowledgeable. However, Harvard medical school graduate Charles Krauthammer completely disagrees.


CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I don't understand the story. Where is the story here? Student who's bored with his studies, with a year to go in credits in his senior year, interested in other events, was offered a good job and leaves. That's a story, that's a dog-bites-man story. I think this is a guy who has been vetted and people are searching for dirt. It's hard to find.


PERINO: Bret Baeir recently asked Walker himself about the topic.


BRET BAIER, HOST, "SPECIAL REPORT": Isn't it strange to have a president who didn't finish college?

GOV. SCOTT WALKER, R-WIS.: Oh, sure, I think. But there are a lot of things about me that are unlike any other kid. We wouldn't have the founders of Microsoft and Facebook and Apple and plenty of other places out there. Each of those folks left to start those companies about the same time I did in my senior year.


PERINO: All right. Greg, this is your favorite topic.



PERINO: Is this academic elitism at its best.

GUTFELD: Howard Dean is proof that a college diploma doesn't correspondent with IQ. Scientifically speaking, Dean resides in the same genetic arm as an end table. College has changed. You no longer learn how to think. You are told what to think. And what you end up having is people who aren't really smart, but they think they're smarter as you develop pointless opinions about gender and divestment. A lot of people, for me, the reason why I went to college was a delaying tactic. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I was scared. I didn't want to go into the real world. And I think a majority of people use college to figure out what to do. There are rarities where there are people who know what to do and leave. That's what Scott Walker did. That's what all the examples that you hear over and over again. These are people that figured out. And 90 percent of life is figuring out what to do next. It's just that some people it takes four years or seven.

PERINO: We actually have a list. Let me show you out of the 44 presidents we've had, there have been ten that did not have college degrees. And then just -- we don't have to name all of them, these are the successful Americans of modern times that don't have degrees including Oprah Winfrey, which I didn't know. It doesn't matter to me, Andrea, but do you think that if Scott Walker were a liberal and a conservative suggested he should not be president because he didn't go to college, do you think that would ever happen?

TANTAROS: No. But I actually think liberals would find it horrifying that he didn't go to an Ivy League university. I think politically, Dana, this points to the strength of Walker. That's the first thing I thought was they're firing at him because they're deeply threatened by somebody like Walker. And I think that when they do this they reveal a really ugly side of themselves. Because really, it's elitist. And they are looking down on somebody like Walker who's had tremendous success. And I do think it will backfire. Because I think there are a lot of people in the country who say maybe I didn't go to an Ivy League college or a four-year college, it was a two-year college or maybe a trade school or hey, I don't have a job right now. My college degree isn't really helping. I think they would look at Howard Dean and say this is an unfair attack.

PERINO: Does this type of comment from Howard Dean represent what the democrats really think about people without college degrees? And does it risk alienating the democrats from the rest of the people or does it maybe work?

BECKEL: You're point, the world alien is right. When it comes to Howie, he is a friend of mine. I still don't know where he is from. Now, I wanted myself to be a microbiologist. And I had it all worked out. And in my senior year, we ran out of money. That's why I went into politics. This is the kind of thing.

GUTFELD: You were really going to be a microbiologist?

BECKEL: Come on.

GUTFELD: I just wanted to check.

BECKEL: You're right this is the kind of thing that tends to backfire. Fortunately, it was not another candidate. Howard Dean seems to come out with these lines. We did warn him not too long ago, remember?

BOLLING: ISIS is a -- what do you say? A cult, not a terrorism group.


BECKEL: Yeah. I said, I like Howard, but Howard was a doctor. He should probably go back to that.

TANTAROS: But, bob, do you think that he does it on his own or do they wind him up to throw these bombs?


BECKEL: Believe me, he will say whatever he wants when he wants to say it. They don't control him at all.

PERINO: Greg -- I'm sorry, you're not Greg. You are Eric. Does this risk making the democrats look worse than the republicans?

BOLLING: Yes, every liberal -- every democrat out there is going, no, what are you saying? We're supposed to be -- it doesn't matter what your college education is. You know, if it were a liberal, they'd be saying look at this guy, didn't finish college, he forged through, he fought against his opponents, he won re-election three times when he wasn't even up for re- election on two of the three times. He would be a champion on the left if he were a liberal, but he's a republican so Howard Dean says oh look at this, he doesn't have enough education. I don't know, look what a lot of education gets. President Obama has a Harvard education and wherever else, Columbia, West Coast.


BOLLING: Wherever. Look where that got us.

PERINO: I have a prediction though. I think that in -- if this gets into a big competitive primary, it won't be one of the other republican candidates that raises this, it will be some third party PAC that raises the issue just to put doubt into the minds of people.

TANTAROS: Americans for presidential candidates with college degrees.

PERINO: Something like that.

GUTFELD: Do you know who never went to college?


GUTFELD: Caligula.


PERINO: Interesting. Do you know who else didn't finish his senior year?

GUTFELD: Attila the Hun.

PERINO: Karl Rove.

GUTFELD: There you go. Atilla, the Hun.


PERINO: And Ellen DeGeneres.

GUTFELD: Yes. They're all evil.

BOLLING: Do you know who else might not have gone to college? The people who came up with Chris Christie's PAC -- the name for Chris Christie's PAC.

PERINO: That was a good one.


PERINO: Do you remember it?

BOLLING: Leadership matters for America dot org, LMFAO.

PERINO: Yes, exactly. We'll let you work on that little puzzle during the break.

Still to come, Facebook Friday and we're also going to answer some love questions on this Valentine's Day eve. Stay tuned.


GUTFELD: What's wrong with asking questions? Isn't it a sign of intellectual spirit? One that's unafraid of posing provocative notions?

Poppycock. Only idiots hide behind the phrase, "I'm just asking questions," to avoid reaping the shame and abuse for posing repellant garbage.

See Shirley MacLaine. In her memoir, the crackpot writes, "What if most Holocaust victims were balancing their karma from ages before when they were Roman soldiers putting Christians to death, the Crusaders who murdered millions in the name of Christianity, the energy of killing is endless and will be experienced by the killer and killee."

It's not just offensive but an example of impostor intelligence. For intellect without boundaries is mere stupidity. Any dolt can ask a question, and a tasteless one frolics in the misery of others.

It's no different than a typical 9/11 truther. They weren't in New York, they didn't see the planes hit the buildings or the people die. Lucky them, they can pose questions minus the intimacy of suffering. Likewise, Shirley wasn't in a concentration camp, allowing her to use their hell for fun and profit.

Which leads me to wonder, did Shirley write this awful book as punishment for her being a horrible creep in her previous life?

No, because she's a horrible creep in her present life. Maybe in the next one she'll be human? I'm just asking questions.

Dana, this book came out last year, but people are finally getting around to reading it because we're so busy.

PERINO: It's one of those books that you buy but don't read.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Like every book.

PERINO: Except for yours.

GUTFELD; Of course. She thoroughly debunks the notion that with age comes wisdom. Because as she ages she gets nuttier and nuttier.

PERINO: I have a different -- I'm not going to disagree with you on that, but I think there's something else happening in publishing.


PERINO: OK. Another recent example was Lena Dunham's book, which people bought but did not read.


PERINO: Until Kevin Williamson of "National Review" said, "I think I'll read this book." And it comes to find out there was very controversial things in there.

So the editor and publishers are either not reading them...


PERINO: ... or they don't realize that this is actually going to be controversial. Or they know it's controversial, they don't try to protect their authors, and they let it happen so that they get to do segments like this. You know, and they get Drudge Report coverage so that they can get more publicity for their books.


PERINO: That's my theory.


BOLLING; Can I just point out?


BOLLING: I think I know someone who read that book.

GUTFELD: Really?

BOLLING: President Obama.

Who else would equate 800-year-old crusades that's trying to explain -- falsely explain events that are happening now or around now?


BOLLING: It comes right -- I'm just...

PERINO: You're just raising questions.

GUTFELD: You're raising a question.

PERINO: Just asking.

BOLLING: Raising a question.

GUTFELD: Raising a question.

BECKEL: ... reached too far, don't you think?

PERINO: Just asking a question.

TANTAROS: Wait a minute.

GUTFELD: Clearly, you must be kidding.

BOLLING: Surely. Only Shirley.

TANTAROS: Greg just painted (ph) all the things that Shirley MacLaine said, and you think Eric just went too far? Whoa, Bob.

BECKEL: I'm not debating Shirley. I mean, I -- God knows where I was in a previous life. But...

GUTFELD: You're living all of them at once.


PERINO: Lord knows where you were in this life.

BECKEL: Well, that's right. There have been a few of them, haven't they?

There was a point I was going to make here, and I let it go; because I simply think publishers in this day and age haven't just went through the process of selling a book are -- some of them are clueless. Some don't get it, but most of them don't read the book. So, you know, maybe this is an effort to try to gin up sales after the fact. Who knows?

GUTFELD: Could be. Andrea, OK, if you -- imagine if you went up to the mother of a murdered child and said, you know, "Maybe your kid probably killed somebody in a previous life." That's kind of wrong, but that's exactly what she did in a more cowardly way, because she did it in a book and not to people's faces.

TANTAROS: Yes. So you wonder, one, who's she friends with? Right? Who does she surround herself with? I mean, to Dana's point, somebody had to read and edit this book.


TANTAROS: And the same thing with Lena Dunham's book. There were reviews done on the book where people did read it and praised it. So I do think it's a case of people reading this, going, "That's a really good question."


TANTAROS: And they just nod their heads and do Stepford staff type things.


TANTAROS: And they just let them get away with it, because they either agree or they just love them so much that they don't question the ridiculousness of what they're saying. This is pretty disgusting, though.

GUTFELD: Yes. They're terrifying.

PERINO: Did you actually think that about the victims, child victims of the Holocaust?

GUTFELD: Yes. Crazy.

Calling her crazy, though, is like -- it's pointless.

PERINO: She's really good in "Downton Abbey," though.

GUTFELD: Yes, she is.

PERINO: She should stick to acting.


TANTAROS: Who does she say these theories to? Like at cocktail parties.  Like who does she like -- "I know, those Holocaust victims, was it karma?"

GUTFELD: Yes, there you go.

TANTAROS: I mean, who...

PERINO: Do you think she says that in Hollywood? I doubt it.

TANTAROS: No kidding.

BECKEL: It's -- our birther, Eric, has a good point.


BOLLING: I'm -- wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

BECKEL: I'm only kidding. I thought I'd give you a shot...

BOLLING: Never. No, no, no, no, no.

BECKEL: You would never rebirth or understand that? By the way, have you seen...

BOLLING: Rebirther.

PERINO: That's a birther with karma.

GUTFELD: The president -- the president...


BECKEL: I have not seen the birth certificate.

GUTFELD: I have not seen the birth certificate.

BECKEL: Have you seen the birth certificate?

GUTFELD: That's a good point. Impeach him.

All right. "Facebook Friday" is up next. Yay.

BECKEL: I meant to say...


TANTAROS: Time now for "Facebook Friday." And I have got your questions for us right here. So let's kick it off.

Bob, take a break from your Valentine writing.

BECKEL: Yes, sure. Right.

TANTAROS: From Teresa W., "How is your daughter doing in college and is it an adjustment for her?"

BECKEL: She's doing very well, and it's more of an adjustment for me than for her. And I miss her very much. She's doing very well. She loves Colorado.

And the good news: she doesn't want to come back to Washington. She's now going to move into business school, believe it or not. And she said the only thing holding her back right now is me.



PERINO: Got to let her go.


BECKEL: By the way she's doing great. Thank you for asking.

TANTAROS: That is good.

All right. Linda G., Eric, "What do you miss about Chicago?"

BOLLING: Not much.

PERINO: The weather.

BOLLING: I do not miss the weather. The coldest place on the planet. I don't care...

PERINO: The pizza.

BOLLING: The pizza's great.

PERINO: The mayor. Baseball.

BOLLING: You know what I miss? Russian Division, the corner of Russian Division. There are some amazing bars that are so much fun in the summer.  People congregate. That's a great place to hang out. If you're a tourist, go wait until it's like June. Otherwise, it will be too cold.

PERINO: I thought that would be, like, some bizarre math equation.

BOLLING: Russian Division?


BOLLING: No, no.

TANTAROS: Are there really only 100 days of summer in Chicago?

BOLLING: At the most, and 85 of them are sweltering hot.

PERINO: Are the worst.


TANTAROS: Dana from Karen L., "What is the worst dish that you ever served your hubby, and did he eat it anyway?"

PERINO: Well, if he were here, we might flip the question around, because he cooks -- he does more of the cooking than I do. But when I lived in England with him, and I wasn't working, and I got this cookbook, "The Moosewood Cookbook," and I was really trying, I made something called the no-bake cookies. Which was this idea of this healthy cookie thing that you can make them. And basically, it was like soup, mud or looked like dog turds. But I have to say...


PERINO: ... he ate it anyway. So it must have tasted OK.

TANTAROS: Aw, now that's love.

PERINO: No-bake cookies, there's really no such thing.

GUTFELD: That reminds me of a movie I -- no, never mind.


TANTAROS: Greg, you're up.


TANTAROS: Tricia N. wants to know, "Please share some thoughts about David Carr."

GUTFELD: David Carr is a great media reporter for the New York Times who I knew for about 15 years. Passed away yesterday. Was quite a character.  One of the most interesting people that I've ever met.

In every iteration of my career where I've gotten into trouble, he was there on a bicycle smoking a cigarette, taking my story. And he actually flew to London to spend a couple of days with me when I was at Maxim and watched that downfall. He always seems to show up after I implode, and then he always writes about it.

And he was such -- he was such an interesting person. And everybody in media loved him, even if he -- like I don't -- he wasn't a fan of the work I did, but it really didn't matter. You know, he was just -- he was a fan of interesting things. And he was -- he was the only reason -- I mean, he's the only thing I read in New York Times. You know?

TANTAROS: Sounds like he did his job, because he wasn't supposed to be a fan. He was supposed to...

GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, he was biased, but he was -- he was true.


GUTFELD: I guess.

PERINO: He'll be missed.

TANTAROS: All right. Very sad.

From Judy M. for me, "Andrea, have you ever dated a liberal Democrat? And did you try and reform him?"

Bob's laughing because, no, I have not. Although I have...

BECKEL: You sure?

TANTAROS: I tweaked my policy. Remember how I said I would never go out with someone who voted for President Obama?


TANTAROS: So I recently changed the policy, but I've altered it so that if they voted for him the first time I can forgive it, but not the second.

PERINO: OK. I think that's a good policy.

TANTAROS: I moved the field goal, Dana, you know?

PERINO: I think that's reasonable.

TANTAROS: Yes, I think it's reasonable, too. All right. And plus, he's really cute.



TANTAROS: Lynn R.: "What one thing in your life are you most proud of?"

BECKEL: By far and away, unquestionably, getting sober and developing faith to do it.

TANTAROS: That's a good one.



TANTAROS: Michael P.: "You're stranded on a desert island. Three favorite all-time albums you cannot survive without. What would they be?:

BOLLING: "Toys in the Attic." Led Zep...


BOLLING: "Toys in the Attic," Aerosmith. Led Zeppelin, any. And "Quadrophenia," The Who. Those would be my...

PERINO: They had an album called "Any"?

BOLLING: "Led Zeppelin II" probably, of all of them, that was probably my favorite.

TANTAROS: All right. Dana, Michael R.: "How did you become a country music deejay, and who do you enjoy listening to beside Dierks Bentley?"

PERINO: I became a country music deejay. It was 2 a.m. to 6 a.m.  Saturdays and Sundays. It was minimum wage in Pueblo, Colorado. Did Pueblo and Colorado Springs.

I got the job because if you wanted to go into TV, you really had to start in radio. And that was a way to get a start. And I'm not good at staying up late. I guess I'm pretty good at getting up early, but not that early.

But I was a huge fan of Garth Brooks and George Strait. And I grew up listening to country music. Then, after those ten years of the White House years where I didn't listen to anything but National Public Radio, I started listening, and I found Dierks Bentley. And so who do I listen to besides him? Dierks Bentley tribute bands.


BECKEL: What would you do if Dierks Bentley (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?  You were a DJ. Pretend you were a DJ.

PERINO: I like Zac Brown. I like Randy Houser. I like Levi Lowrey. A lot of people don't know Levi Lowrey. Clay Cook.

GUTFELD: You're a big fan of G.G. Allin. Right?

PERINO: I don't know who that is.

TANTAROS: Oh, I know who that is.

PERINO: What is that?

TANTAROS: "Hated," it's an excellent documentary.


TANTAROS: Just don't watch before you eat dinner.

Greg, from Jerry S.: "Greg, without insulting you, what is with the shirts and the sweaters?" I think that's an insult.

GUTFELD: I have no idea. It just happened. You know how you develop a weird obsession? You start collecting things, and all of a sudden, like, the people come in to boom your door because you've got 6,000 Egg McMuffins.

PERINO: Or unicorn mugs.

GUTFELD: ... in your bedroom. Yes, you collect -- but I don't know why I -- I just started -- you know what it was? Because...

PERINO: It's cold in here.

GUTFELD: It's cold in here.

BOLLING: Whose sweaters are they?

GUTFELD: They're my sweaters.

BOLLING: Not Hemmer?

GUTFELD: Not Hemmer. Well, since Hemmer moved out, all of his stuff is in storage. And come and get your jerseys whenever you want, Hemmer.

Wow. You really ruined it, Eric. You had to bring up the past.

BOLLING: That was on Hemmer (ph).

TANTAROS: All right. Last one, because we don't have time for the group question, unless you want the group question.

BECKEL: No, you go ahead and take yours.

TANTAROS: OK. Trudy v.: "name one thing on your bucket list." Hmm. Why are you laughing?

PERINO: You're too young to have a bucket list.

TANTAROS: I do have a bucket list. Like meeting Joan Rivers was on my bucket list. That one had to get crossed off, very sadly. I don't know.  I mean...

GUTFELD: Who has a list of buckets?

TANTAROS: I'd like to go to South America. Become a mom. I don't know.  Those are good ones, right?


BECKEL: I used to have a bucket list. It was of the greatest bars around the world I wanted to go to. Check them out, you know?

GUTFELD: A sand bucket, a water bucket.


TANTAROS: The group question we can answer on our social media.

BECKEL: What is it? What does it say?

TANTAROS: Do "The Five" hosts have tattoos?


BECKEL: Dana does.

BOLLING: So glad that we ran out of time for that one.

TANTAROS: We've got some love questions coming up. It's Valentine's Day eve. Bob's writing his Valentine's Day. So do we believe in love at first sight? Well, you'll have to stay tuned.


BECKEL: Valentine's Day is tomorrow. Whoopee. And (UNINTELLIGIBLE) conducted some new polls. In a minute we'll talk about what's most important when choosing a Valentine.

But first, the big question, do you believe in love at first sight? Fifty- one percent of Americans say yes; 47 percent say no.

And you say, Eric?


BECKEL: Really?



PERINO: Yes, happened to me. And now we've been married 17 years.

BECKEL: Wow. Greg.

GUTFELD: No. Love at first sight is a biological mechanism tricking you into commitment so that you have children and continue your species. And then later kill each other.

TANTAROS: Aw. That's such a lovely Valentine's Day thought.

BECKEL: OK, Andrea. Andrea, Greeks are known for falling in love quickly.

TANTAROS: We're known for lust at first sight.

BECKEL: Yes, I know that.

TANTAROS: A very different thing. I don't believe in love at first sight.  I believe in...

GUTFELD: That's what it is. It's lust.

TANTAROS: Yes, it's lust.

BECKEL: Well, let me put it this way. I believe that, because I -- when I go back to my drinking days at night in a bar, I saw a woman, I fell in love with her. She was beautiful, she was a ten.


BECKEL: And then the next morning I woke up, and she was a two. What are you looking like that before?

GUTFELD: Because you've said that 67 times.


TANTAROS: Oh, poor Bob and his bad jokes that he uses all the time.

BECKEL: What are you picking on me for?

They did another poll. Sense of -- will you on sense of humor or politics, the most important in a relationship? Eighty percent say sense of humor, 7 percent politics. Do you agree with that?

BOLLING: I think -- yes. So if the whole pie is 100 percent, 99.9 percent is sense of humor. Politics shouldn't even play a role.

BECKEL: I agree. Dana.

PERINO: I like humor. It's the best thing.

BECKEL: Greg, you may be close to this.

GUTFELD: Politics is important. Humor's important. But if they're so hot, who cares? Who cares? I don't care if they can't even speak.

TANTAROS: That's what people say when they see you.

GUTFELD: I don't care if they're murderers. If they're beautiful, come on over.

TANTAROS: Sense of humor, Bob. Sense of humor.

BECKEL: That's you?


BECKEL: OK. Well, listen, I'll tell you mine. A sense of humor's good.

But I've got -- I'm late getting my Valentine's Day card. So my Valentines out there. You know who you are. I think this will be a little late getting there. "Blaze from Daddy. Blaze again."


BECKEL: Blaze. To Star. To Crystal again. From Daddy. To Gigi, from Daddy.

TANTAROS: You don't have a daughter named Gigi.

BECKEL: No, I don't.

TANTAROS: Or Crystal.

BOLLING: Greg Gutfeld.

BECKEL: Here's my Valentines. "You are the one and only one for me -- only one for me."

PERINO: They're going to love those.

BECKEL: Come over Friday for two hours.

OK. "One More Thing" is up next.

PERINO: Penn (ph) made cards up to spec.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." Greg, you kick it off.

GUTFELD: Tonight I will be on "O'Reilly" with Bernie McGuirk, and it's a barnburner, Dana. A barnburner.

PERINO: How inappropriate.

GUTFELD: Silence!


GUTFELD: Greg's Sports Corner.


GUTFELD: Favorite part of the year is the Panda Slide Olympics. There's a lot of splinters. Take a look. Here we go. They're lining up. These are all seasoned panda athletes, going down. You know what? That's Fluffy McGee, who actually took first place.

These guys have been doing this for years. And they are amazing. The winner, of course, got a full banquet of foods.

TANTAROS: How do you win?

GUTFELD: You just keep going down the slide over and over again without hurting yourself.

The losers, however, are made into hats.

PERINO: Oh, fashionable.

GUTFELD: But I think it's a win-win for everyone, I think. In fact, Win- Win is the name of the panda.

BOLLING: Not Fluffy McGee.

GUTFELD: Fluffy McGee.

BOLLING: Oddly enough, named the same as that cat a couple weeks ago.

PERINO: Fluffy McGee, an Irish panda.

GUTFELD: They're all named -- they're all Irish pandas. Except for Win- Win.

BOLLING: And they travel around in the summer and fix your roof.

PERINO: Is there a Lose-Lose?

GUTFELD: So is it's Friday, time for...



GRAPHIC: Fool of the Week


BOLLING: "Fool of the Week" again. A lot of options to choose from.  President Obama for using the selfie stick was in the list. Howard Dean for calling out Scott Walker's education. The radical Girl Scouts in Oakland, California. And Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who's saying she wasn't exactly 100 percent sober during the SOTU. However...

TANTAROS: You called her a loser for having a roadie (ph) at the State of the Union? That was awesome.

BOLLING: No. However, that...

BECKEL: Yes, you had a roadie...

BOLLING: ... would -- that immediately took her off the list of being a potential "Fool of the Week." However, this didn't take this person off.


MELISSA HARRIS-PERRY, MSNBC: They call you the duck. So they would say you have a very sort of placid, even way of presenting. But you are just working for justice underneath. Would you quack for us?  ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: I'm not sure I want to do that. But I like the analogy.


BOLLING: MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry with a few minutes from -- with the outgoing attorney general, decides to ask him, "Will you quack like a duck?" I guess MSNBC, if that's what you call news, knock yourself out.

All right. Ands, you're up.

TANTAROS: Did you hear the way she said "underneath."

BOLLING: Underneath.

TANTAROS: "Underneath."

GUTFELD: Thank God we don't do...


TANTAROS: Like she wanted to lick his face.

OK. Yes, right. OK. This is an amazing new invention. OK. It's called And it is a new way for policymakers and lawmakers and journalists to connect with human rights activists on the ground.

So think about this, if you are on the ground in Syria or Iraq or Iran, and you want to get your message out, you can go on and you can talk to people like Senator Marco Rubio. So he wanted to find out what was going on on the ground in Iran, in these foreign countries. You can go to Cuba. You can find out what's happening. You have a post. And if you're on the ground there, you can tell your story and reach directly to Washington or wherever. This is a genius idea. It's going to change the way that we figure out what's happening in some of these countries we can't get access to. It's an excellent tool for journalists and researchers. And kudos to the senator for being one of the first to use it.

BOLLING: We need to get Bobby in. Go ahead, brother.

BECKEL: All right. This is Friday the 13th. Do you ever wonder why the thirteenth, Friday the 13th was going to be a scary day? Well, it started in Europe, actually. And then they've -- out of that they've named, like, the movies, Freddy...

GUTFELD: Right, "Friday the Thirteenth."

BECKEL: Freddy Krueger. They had thirteen -- some hotels actually don't have the 13th floor. Because it's all about 13. It all started with business, as most things do that are a problem.

BOLLING: Two more this year: one next month and one later in the year.

GUTFELD: Hey, have you ever seen that movie about the star wars?

PERINO: Gee, what was the name of that?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BECKEL: I'm the guy that always sit with Jabba the hut in the bar.

GUTFELD: All right. Dana, your "One More Thing"?

PERINO: OK. So you know that most women love men that have an accent.  OK?

TANTAROS: Me and Dana.

PERINO: For a long time that -- the favorite accent around the world was French. But there was a poll that was done by The Daily Mail, and it turns out that that has changed. And it is now the English accent that is preferred. And I happen to be the lucky recipient of the accent.

GUTFELD: I guess so.

PERINO: My husband Peter took a selfie with Jasper.

GUTFELD: Of course, Jasper.

PERINO: Don't -- it wasn't with a stick. He just took a selfie. Because they went to the park, and I wasn't there. But that's them, and we've been together 18 years.

BECKEL: What do you say, Greg?

GUTFELD: ... on the show.

TANTAROS: Yes, but Dana, British accent's always been the best.

BOLLING: We've got to go. Set your DVR so you don't ever miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. Have a great weekend. "Special Report" is next. Have a great Valentine's Day.

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Mixed messaging: Is ISIS an existential threat to US or not?

Published Friday, October 03, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Eric Bolling , Bob Beckel , Dana Perino , Greg Gutfeld , Catherine Herridge

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 3, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Some horrific and very sad news to report tonight, there's a new ISIS video on the Internet and it purports to show the beheading of British hostage, Alan Henning. The posting comes three weeks after the warning. The Henning will be the next to be killed. Our Chief Intelligence, Catherine Herridge has seen the tape and she joins us now with more, Catherine?

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Well, thank you. Within the last hour, U.S. officials confirming that they are analyzing the video, but also telling Fox News that they had no reason to doubt the tape authenticity. I viewed it and it's significantly shorter than the previous ISIS videos at just under two minutes, it begins with a British news report over the image of the British parliament as the decision is made to join the U.S. like coalition bombing ISIS in Syria and Iraq. And then dissolves into a false screen with the title, "Another message to America and its allies." And then we see the image there on your left the hostage purported to be the British national, Alan Henning, kneeling in the orange jump suit now so close the associated with the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and then the executioner is there on the right. After brief statement clearly made under arrest where Henning blames his execution upon the parliament's decision to join the U.S. led campaign. He is then executed and then the screen goes to black and we have the now familiar shot, the horrific shot of the severed head on the body. Significantly, the last image in the video is described by the executioner as the next victim, who he identifies as an American citizen, Peter Edward Kaasig. And based on our research in the last hour we've been able to learn that Kaasig went missing in Syria in other late 2012 or 2013. He is a native of Indiana and he is also a former army ranger who have left the army and gone to Syria to work with the group, the special emergency response and assistance to Syria, Andrea.

TANTAROS: All right, thank you, Catherine.

HERIDGE: You're welcome.

TANTAROS: Meanwhile, ISIS now may be on the hunt for military families. An army intelligence bulletin is warning military personnel to be vigilant after ISIS called on their supporters to find army families and flaunted them. Vice President Joe Biden seems to be downplaying the Islamic terror threat.


JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Let me say it again, we face no existential threat, non to our way of life or our own security. You are twice as likely to be struck by lightning as you are to be affected by a terrorist event in the United States.


TANTAROS: But just a few days ago, President Obama had this warning.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: In terms of immediate threats to the United States, ISIL, Khorasan group, those folks could kill Americans.


TANTAROS: So before we get to the next messages coming out of the White House, Eric, you saw the beheading video before they took it down.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah, I watched it and I've seen three -- I think three of the beheadings, this one is very similar. Just like to point out -- the Brit, I believe they think he's British, the executioner says that the killing of Henning was blood on the hands of the British parliament, he pointed them out. He said, "the other ones Cameron's blood on the hands of Cameron's" he said, "this one belongs to the British parliament" and if I may, then he goes on and say, "Obama" like in a very direct term, "you started your air bombardment, you strike our people, we will continue to strike at the next of your people." He goes ahead and executes -- the execution starts the camera goes to black and then it come back on and -- the victim is lying there with his head (inaudible) it's brutal, it's horrible. But then they show a picture of Peter Edward Kaasig and said -- and basically saying that this guy is next. I mean, it's gory, it's bloody, it's horrible, by it just proves what coward these people -- this ISIS people really are, they take an innocent young man and behead him and try to turn it on a whole group of people. It's not going to help and I would only implore us to get even more behind whatever we're doing to eradicate the world of this -- whatever they are.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I think -- ISIS does not understand here, every time they do this, the world gets stronger and stronger together to take them on. There is no way that the Arab countries are going to allow these guys to take over and do -- in Saudi Arabia, the king and his family are all thinking about this, because they did this once, the same branch of this kind of Muslim Islamic religion 100 years ago. So I think every time they do this, it's horrific, it's terrible, but what they are doing is doing above relations for everybody who wants to (inaudible)

TANTAROS: And Dana, It is having the opposite affect because one week ago today the British parliament voted for those air strikes in Iraq, not Syria. But they did so knowing there was a potential that they could be behead this aid worker. It does seem to have a negative effect on PR, people do seem to unite and say, "Go get them."

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And including Turkey, which for the first time this week have said that they would join in, but that because ISIS is growing. Their threat is growing, some I said now that actually on the border and they have not just a refugee crisis but, also violence on their border as well. So of course, we -- I think we have to welcome any and all efforts. But in several reports that I read today, so far, it reported that the air strikes are not having an effect and not pushing them back and so I think that leaves open the question what do you do next? I think that for the leaders and the British -- any coalition member that has a possible hostage, that most important thing we can try to do, I'm sure everyone is doing everything that they possibly can to try to find them. Find some sort of intelligence that would tell us where they are so that they could try again, hopefully, for a rescue mission, because as I take it from Catherine and from Eric watching it, this is a new video, that the hostages are presumably are alive. So I hope, that in addition to all the things that we're doing in terms of air strikes that we have some Intel, in some way given us some direction as to how to try find them and try one more time, or as may time to take to try to get them.

PERINO: Because it looks like, Greg, they are not going to slow down any time soon. This is worked, at least basic it's working or they would keep doing this.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, well the point of terror is to terrorize, they want the population to be scared, to be panicked, to be -- and also be confused, to not know what's going to happen next, and that somehow we're not in control of the situation even though we're the world's greatest country and they're a group of weirdo's. But somehow they have been able to equate the balance by through this terror. But their message is only to strengthen our resolve to vaporize them and we should not care about their message or who they blame, whether it's the parliament, we shouldn't be trumpeting their aura. We should only be strengthening our resolve. And also learned from remember on (ph) September 25, the best way to stop a hunt is with a gun so the idea that this is going to happen here, we should welcome the potential to accelerate their martyrdom to the fine art of the relation, through the faith in our second amendment and maybe this will turn everyone into a lifetime member of the NRA.


I hope.

TANTAROS: And hopefully, Eric, it does get the attention of military families, because just this week an army bulletin warning U.S. military personnel to be vigilant after ISIS has now put them in a crosshairs calling for people to go after them and you heard President Joe Biden on a different page -- Vice President Joe Biden on different page than President Obama saying that, "terror won't come here." But, Eric, terror has already come here. Tell that to Kalina, a hazard (ph) in Oklahoma, tell that to the people in Boston.

BOLLING: Tell that to the people in Minneapolis where there -- terror cells, homegrown terrorists. Tell that to -- the Tevlin Family in New Jersey, tell that.

TANTAROS: And the military families. You know they have there.

BOLLING: Tell that to Jordan Matson who is now supposedly an American who's gone over to fight for ISIS and I guess the pentagon says if he comes back, we're going to grab him. Look, it's a war, we will have a were -- war with terror, we should start calling it a war on -- we have a war on terror, with terror, with ISIS, on ISIS and Greg is right. If it's right, go ahead, bomb, step up the bombing campaigns, do what you have to do, get rid of those, I hope people don't like it when you call them, but they're cockroaches, they are. You have to keep killing the cockroaches, and if they keep coming back, you keep killing more of them until finally at least -- you'll never kill -- kill them all, but as many as you can though.

TANTAROS: Bob, Joe Biden has said some duties, and he often put his foot on his mouth, but why such a different message when we've see an American on U.S. soil get beheaded by someone who was radicalized? How would he say that terror couldn't come here? Is not pretty dangerous to go out there?

BECKEL: I think what he was saying was first of all he said that terror is not going to take over our way of life in this country, that was a very important statement that he made on that part of it. What Obama said that they could kill Americans, they have killed Americans. The question is whether there is the possibility of a substantial ISIS presence in the United States, where there's command and control, where there actually is a military form of this organization and there's not, there is a bunch of isolated cases of terrorists who pick up on what these guys are doing and think that they're being martyred by killing people.

TANTAROS: But Dana, isn't this the new war, the new war on terror that the administration warned us about? Lone and wolf (ph), copycats that can use the Internet and be radicalize behind the laptop.

PERINO: And possibly be directed by someone from overseas, which is the purpose of our Intel programs. Hopefully, they try to catch that before it happen. It could also be happening inside the United States. I'm curious about -- I understand what Joe Biden was trying to do and what he's trying to say, I'm curious about the language, six years in that it really isn't that hard to say something like, "I know that the terrorists wants us -- want you to worry, I want to assure you, we are doing everything possible. You -- we worry so that you don't have to at home, and this is not really that hard to come up with a few sentences that would avoid the problem like he made today.

TANTAROS: But he said, Greg, he side you're twice as likely to be struck by lightning as you would be to be affected by a terrorist event in the United States. I think there are a lot of people living in Manhattan and around the pentagon that would disagree with that.

GUTFELD: You know what I think it is? I think Biden is briefed by somebody and then it goes through the Biden machine and it never comes out the same way that it came in.


And it's like he would -- he meant-- it's true, he did mean. Well, he was talking correctly, statistically, what are the odds, but what he's leaving out is that you know, you can do something about lightning, like if you know there's a storm, you can go in, but if you live in Manhattan, you're still go to work, you're still going to use the subway, and that means you're going to be at risk. So with lightning, lightning you could actually stay outside but you're not going to stay outside when it comes to terror, because as we've been told many times, they win if you do that. But the problem is also is that we live in a time where a quest -- where a -- and we got in an argument about this before, where public -- political correctness does trump safety. When you look at newspapers and you look at the crime blotters and they leave out descriptions or descriptive ethnic origins of suspect, for fear of defense. This is now something that's spread into this world of terror, how do you actually locate somebody who is a suspect when you just don't want to hurt feelings?

BECKEL: You know, we did this about Ebola yesterday, about not trying to raise this fear in people about this thing spreading and we talk about this terrorist thing and I thought -- I think I told you that my son said, "Dad, do I have to worry about this thing?" and I said, "No, you don't have to worry about it." We can't scare kids in this country or anybody else, because these are isolated incidents, you don't want to make it seem as if you've got these people marching down and bringing tanks in here, bringing everything so it happen in that way.

GUTFELD: You're right, but we are dealing with a spreading ideology that is attracting certain segment of society that's growing. You are correct though, about the isolation of it and the numbers. But we have to face the facts that like a virus, it is spreading.

BOLLING: And I'm going to push back, I'm not going to agree to Bob as well. I'm going to say, Bob, you're wrong. We have four or five instances of terror in the homeland right now, we didn't have that for -- we haven't had that, let's put it this way, let me say this properly so the left doesn't go ballistic on this. We haven't had as many as we have had recently in the past. I mean, we have had like (inaudible) in Oklahoma, we have Brendan Tevlin.

TANTAROS: for hood?

BOLLING: For hood. So they escalated. So how long before you say this is a problem.


BOLLING: I'm not saying there's going to be a terror network with headquarters in Topeka.

TANTAROS: And Bob, those are the successful ones. We don't even mention the ones that they have foiled.

BECKEL: There are 315 million people in this country, if five horrible tragic incidents, there's no indication yet of any commanding control from ISIS overseas to these people.


BOLLING: You're relating apples to oranges, that's fine. Can I throw one.?

BECKEL: What are apples and oranges?

BOLLING: Because you're saying there's 315 million people, OK, I'll say there have been four or five instances in the last couple of years where we haven't had them on American soil, since an attacked from outside by Al Qaeda.

BECKEL: Is that worth terrorizing the people of today?

BOLLING: No, no. I'm not saying it is. Its worth -- you're heightening your awareness, heightening your, see-something -say-something.

TANTAROS: But is it about the midterms, though? Because right before the presidential elections the administration was reporting the narrative that Al Qaeda was on the run, and had been decimated. And now we speak, "Don't worry about it, it won't come here" just like they told us about Ebola, they were wrong. I mean, is that part of it, Bob?

BECKEL: No, I -- that to say this is to suggest -- this is something to do with the midterm election is really going over the line. I don't -- I just don't believe that anybody could organize this things and affect the body politic like that is..

BOLLING: If we got to go and stand up. And Ed Henry just reported you just put it out on the Blackberry, that President Obama will visit the pentagon on Wednesday to talk about ISIS. And on Thursday to Saturday, he'll do a fund raiser on the West Coast.

BECKEL: Was so, what's the big deal?

BOLLING: Really? OK, if you don't see anything wrong with that, then I.

BECKEL: If going to the best part (ph) and then going to a fund-raiser before the election?


BOLLING: He's going to get a brief for couple hours on pentagon on a Wednesday and then spend three days fund raising. Bob, you don't see it?

TANTAROS: Well, he's got a lot of catching to do because he's missed a lot of those meetings.


GUTFELD: There's a larger question, though, before we go, in that we have tied our hands, thanks to the religion of tolerance and mediahist (ph) the area over privacy. Tolerance prevents us from profiling high risk candidates and the privacy hysteria is putting our Intel programs in danger. At some point the candidate who are running for office are going to have to make a choice and decide what's more important.

TANTAROS: The tolerance of the intolerant.


TANTAROS: All right, coming up. President Obama takes another shot at Fox News. But Greg thinks that's actually an insult to all the other networks that aren't being criticized. He'll explain when we come back.


GUTFELD: Till like a faded comic stocked on old stick, our president smacked at FNC for not bowing to the charismatic charade of his presidency in front of the few who still applaud.


OBAMA: There's a reason that a few Republicans, you hear them running around about ObamaCare. Because -- while good affordable health care might seem like a fang threat to the freedom.


.of American people on Fox News, it turns out it's working pretty well in the real world.



GUTFELD: Remember, he's been there before.


OBAMA: So, just in case your -- some of your friends or neighbors or, you know, Uncle Jim, who's a little stubborn and been watching Fox News and.


You're Republican -- you're watching Fox News, right? People don't -- people don't listen to each other as much. But if you talk to somebody who says, "Well, I don't know, I was watching Fox News" and they said, "That's horrible."


I've got one television station that is entirely devoted to attacking my administration, I mean, that's a pretty --

UNKOWN: I assume you're talking about Fox.

OBAMA: And well, that's a pretty big megaphone.


GUTFELD: Why must he do this? Isn't he aware of the pain this causes me? I try to help -- I give him advice, I make him sandwiches and yet he still lashes out. Therapists call this projection. But I called it whining. I attended to his room in at the White House, but we know it's not safe. Now I admit, we are hard on him, but we are only hard on him because no one else is, doesn't he get the fair and balanced part of this place? That if we only stance, one must take to prevent a total capitulation of the docile media, 99 percent of the media believes his a unicorn. That does him no favors, FNC asked what the Obama groupies want and it drives him nuts. Why can't he win over that last girl at the party? He's conquered everyone else. Why can't FNC just relax and have a few beers by the keg, you can crash at his place, but it's got to kill the press that the president never snaps at them. He doesn't because there's no reason, they are so deep in his pocket, they have lint's poisoning. Every time Obama bashes FNC, it's a reminder that he is not bashing that sweaty base of fan boys, of the approval from the cool dude who know Clooney. Remember when the media wasn't a propaganda arm for political ideology embraced with radicalized glee, well now, President Obama's made sure the main stream media isn't dead, like a rabbit lap dog it's alive and licking.

TANTAROS: But it has fleas.

GUTFELD: It has fleas.

TANTAROS: And it is a fact.

GUTFELD: These jobs, Andrea are simultaneously flattering to FNC because it means they're doing the job, but unflattering to everybody else, correct? Am I wrong?

TANTAROS: Unflattering, yeah. I mean, if the majority of the country watches Fox News and the other channels are, just eating our dust, shall we say. But I think this is specifically designed to base rally. I mean, he's looking at the intensity numbers and they are 10 points higher than Republicans, so he figures, "I'll go back into the playbook, all regard to tape some old material." We don't carry his water. We don't coordinate with the White House like the other news network and he's shown that he's thin skinned. And it's just not true about ObamaCare, I mean, Greg, the premiums have gone up so much and the deductibles are so high that it's affecting disproportionately lower income families. There are actually, according to New York Times, having a turn to charity to pay for the rest of it. I don't know one person that's on ObamaCare that has it, that loves it. And so he can go out and say, "I don't hear republicans talking about it" but in fact in every senate race, in most campaign across the country, most Republican candidates if they win, will win on that issue.

GUTFELD: Yeah, in fact.

BECKEL: And that issue, which will ends up by the way, about number nine or 10 on the list of issues.

TANTAROS: That's not true.

BECKEL: Yes it is. TANTAROS: That's absolutely not true.

BECKEL: Well, do you really think anybody's focusing on ObamaCare?

TANTAROS: Yes, I do. I think that's a huge.

BECKEL: Can I make one moment -- point of view, going back, Greg. Because you constantly say this all the time and I guess you tend to agree. The idea that there is not a lot of news organizations out there from newspapers to talk radio that are against Obama is just, and it's only us is just not right? I mean, you go out and look at this -- look at the St. Louis newspapers, go and look at the Montana newspapers, go look at every radio talk show host in California, almost all the successful ones are right winners, and they beat mine (ph) everyday. So it's not just us, and the whole media is not just our own back pocket.

GUTFELD: Well most of them are. Eric?

BOLLING: I have a different take on. The line he's -- he uttered was, fake through -- we fang the threat to freedom on Fox News. Now, someone who wrote that because it was impromptu, we had the embargo copy before, so someone wrote that. So here's my take on it, I think the White House, President Obama and all his advisors are narcissists, they realize that any attention from Fox News is good, whether it's good or bad. They know by saying this, "fang threat to freedom on fox news." They know where we get us talking about it and we do. And they love it, they love hearing us talk about what -- ridiculous comment that he just made and whatever ridiculous attack on fox news is. So great, you got your wish, fantastic, do it again, by the way.

GUTFELD: Dana, you know, Eric makes the point that they could have done this without mentioning FNC. He could have made his point. Yeah, he felt.

PERINO: I mean he's about as subtle as a flying ax head when it comes to criticism of Fox News. It's really -- it's interesting to a bigger picture thing. To have a president of the United States attacking a private entity, a corporation in America, is ---that is not usually done. But the Democrats do it a lot. Think of the attacks on the Koch brothers that Harry Reid, he tried to ride that horse all the way back to the barn and it didn't work for him. But, remember just two weeks ago, 53 Democrats voted to change the first amendment, they want to amend the first amendment so that you cannot criticize people, they are so afraid of opinion and when it comes to the rest of the media, when you have every network, most of the newspapers, there is just no question that the decks are stacked against Republicans and they complain so much if there's a little bit of success.

BECKEL: So what I told you.

PERINO: So what President Obama really needs is a resident skeptic, and whoever wins the next White House, if it is a Republican they need to a hire some sort Democrat that they keep on line one, that they can call and said, "Will you read this speech.


PERINO: .for me right before I give it" just to that you can tell me, "do I sound like a total jerk?" And if so, strike the wine (ph)


TANTAROS: And very quickly. They must have decided that they need Fox News channel because, they were hesitant to put a lot of their spokes people on our channel, until recently, so it looks like they might actually need fox news. And I'm surprised that you said a fang threat? Because dental care again -- it's covered under ObamaCare now. You should get your fangs fixed.

BECKEL: To this I suggest that the Republican will want to go to the journalism school and get in the news or business. And the second thing I would say is, I want to remember it's no president said this, Richard Nixon.


You take every day, every day would criticize the press.

PERINO: Right. It didn't work for him.

GUTFELD: All right, ahead on 'The Five," another patient is being tested for Ebola, we'll tell you what we know when we come back.


PERINO: OK, the Ebola crisis continues to spread. Three big developments in the last 24 hours. An NBC cameraman in Liberia tested positive for the disease and will be flown back to Nebraska for treatment. And two cases here at home, a man who traveled to Nigeria is being tested at Howard University Hospital in Washington, D.C. And another in Georgia where a prison inmate who recently went to Africa is also being tested.

Despite these new cases, the administration assures the American people that the Ebola threat will be contained. And they had a press conference about two hours ago, Eric, and right before that, Ed Henry had asked Joshua Earnest, the press secretary, if they are considering stopping flights...


PERINO: ... from West Africa. I was actually surprised at the answer, because apparently, they said no. I guess I find it hard to believe that it's not even under consideration as, like, a possible option, but that's what they said.

BOLLING: And they're being consistent. I mean, from the very get-go, President Obama at the CDC, basically said it's not going to travel to the United States. President Obama literally said it's not going to get on a plane and end up in the United States. It has.

Here's the point. We don't know. No one -- no one knows for sure, even the brilliant geniuses at the CDC. So why not shut down travel from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, the three countries where Ebola is clearly in an outbreak situation.

British Airways did it. I highly recommend it, but our government won't do it. Then our own airlines decided not to take passenger that originated in one of those three countries, at least for the time being.

PERINO: Let me show you just a little bit from the "Special Report" last night. Had Ron Fournier and Tucker Carlson, both talking about the need to trust or not trust the government.


RON FOURNIER, POLITICAL COLUMNIST, "NATIONAL JOURNAL": I'm not a doctor. I'm not even a medical reporter. That's why I have to trust the government. That's why I have to trust the healthcare providers. If there was ever a time when we need to be able to keep our heads about us, and trust the people who are leading us, this would be the kind of incident that we should. But the problem is, it's rather hard to do so.

TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: It's a virus and viruses mutate and if it went airborne, it could devastate this country and the world. The government tells us not to worry. It's the same government that until recently told us if you want to lose weight eat more carbs, so I think a little bit of paranoia is warranted.


PERINO: Greg, both points of view, I guess, have some truth to them.

GUTFELD: He's right about the carbs.

PERINO: Don't eat carbs?

GUTFELD: Yes -- no, don't eat carbs.

Look, you're right, I think that you have to be concerned. I think there are two -- we tend to combine two different issues here: Africa and the United States. Definitely Africa, I do believe that there should be a travel ban until they control that.

In the United States, it's about priority of concern. You have to understand that, if we had the same concern about sepsis that we have about Ebola, sepsis strikes a million Americans every yea. Between 20 percent to 50 percent of people with sepsis die. That's more U.S. deaths than AIDS, breast cancer and prostate cancer combined. Everybody knows somebody who died from sepsis. I don't know anybody who died from Ebola.

BECKEL: I don't know -- what is sepsis?

GUTFELD: It's an infection that spreads wildly at hospitals. Yes and it's crazy. It's out of -- you could panic over sepsis, but you have to keep these situations separate. You've got to keep the Africa situation separate and try to help stop that.

But you should also have the ability to resist the rhetoric in times of concern, just as a measure of character and charity for the people around. Fears are running high, you don't want to turn up the heat. So I think you can have a little bit of concern, but you've got to be -- you've got to be sensible.

PERINO: Let me get a quick thought from Bob. Why do you think that they would say that a travel ban isn't even on the list?

BECKEL: I have no idea, but I'll tell you. What strikes me is that this guy was flown back to Nebraska. He could have been flown to Gregam (ph) in Germany, one of the best medical facilities in the world, which is a U.S. military base, why are we taking known Ebola...

PERINO: Because they have specific treatment centers there that can -- that can specifically help.

BECKEL: I've got to assume that they could probably do a similar thing somewhere else. I just don't like the idea of flying people in here that they know have Ebola.

PERINO: Andrea, do you think that the administration did enough today to convince people that they're on top of things?

TANTAROS: I don't. I don't know why this administration continues to come from a place of no. They seem to love to telegraph what they won't do. And I don't know why they box themselves into corners, whether it's boots on the ground or shutting down flights.

Kudos to you, Eric. You called for shutting down flights weeks ago. Had we done that, maybe we wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars and have this man in Dallas that is currently quarantined.

But I do think it's going to get worse, and I agree with you on not being hysterical and not amping it up. But better to be safe than sorry. And if you look at the news reports from the nurses' association, Dana, they're saying that we are wholly unprepared for this. There's a shortage of IVs. I just don't think that we can trust the government. I mean, Ron Fournier is a far more trustworthy individual of this government than I am.

PERINO: "The Fastest Seven" is straight ahead tonight, between Ben Affleck, Bradley Cooper and a mom who caught her daughter skipping school. All that and more, coming up on "The Five."


BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...


GRAPHIC: Fastest Seven.


BOLLING: ... "The Fastest Seven" on television. Three arresting stories, seven animated minutes, one amiable host, maybe.

All right, first up. Sometimes something that sounds so stupid at first ends up making a lot of sense after letting it breathe for a minute. Case in point: actor Ben Affleck suggesting we send foreign aid to Detroit.


BEN AFFLECK, ACTOR: That we leaned on the Second World War to produce our tanks, to producer our planes, to help us in the war effort, to now be, you know, to lie fallow in the way that it does. And you know, we get invested in nation building elsewhere, and I think sometimes for good or ill, but we have nation building to do at home for sure.


BOLLING: Go ahead, Ands. Going to take this one first.

TANTAROS: Well, I do agree with him on not nation building overseas. So I agree with Ben on that. But he should coordinate better with the president, because the president said that he saved Detroit after $300 million and 49 billion to General Motors.

So Ben should get on the phone with Barack, and he should tell him, "Look, I saved Detroit. I rescued it." He said it many, many times.

But what Affleck should say is -- and he won't -- but he should say get rid of all the taxes, all the fines, all the minimum wage laws. And just see what happens. The city is war-torn. It has structural problems. Just do it. It can't get any worse.

BOLLING: Right, Bob? What about this?

BECKEL: Well, I think, look, there's a lot of blame to be thrown around about Detroit. Businesses, yes. Unions, yes. Certainly the government of Detroit.

But believe it or not, I would like us to take a little bit of Rand Paul, Senator Rand Paul's ideas about Detroit, and try them out.

Andrea's saying something that is right here, we don't ever try to play outside the box. It's always got to be done in the same kind of way.

BOLLING: Free-market capitalism, I think, is catching on.

TANTAROS: Did I just hallucinate?

BOLLING: I just heard that and I kind of laughed.

PERINO: I'm more concerned with the fact of being kicked out of casinos for counting cards. Because it's not illegal. I think Detroit has received a ton of foreign aid. The problem is not the aid. The problem is the reforms. And Governor Snyder has done a really, you know, good job of trying to turn it around, but he's got to have more help from people willing to change it from within. Not just get more money.


GUTFELD: I'm more concerned with the fact that he's being kicked out of casinos for counting cards, because it's not -- it's not illegal to count cards in the casinos, yet they still kick you out of casinos, because you're actually good at playing the game.

BECKEL: That's unbelievable.

GUTFELD: Yes. It's like banning you from playing chess because you can think five -- five moves ahead. It's absolutely nuts. That's what he should be concerned about.

BOLLING: That's one -- one of my personal heroes is Chris Kyle, the Navy SEAL who's known as the most deadly sniper in history. Bradley Cooper is starring as Kyle in a movie we should all see. Here's a sneak peek at "American Sniper," a Clint Eastwood-directed heart pounder.


BRADLEY COOPER, ACTOR: He's got RK-Os and grenades. He's next to the kid.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A woman and a kid.

COOPER: You got eyes on this? Can you confirm?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Negative, your call.


BOLLING: We'll do a quick run on that one. Dana, start that.

PERINO: Well, I like Bradley Cooper. I think that he has -- what he has done here is a fitting tribute to Chris Kyle.

GUTFELD: Very good, very good. Greg.

GUTFELD: I don't know any -- I haven't seen the movie. I'm looking forward to "Dolphin Tale 3," because I felt that "Dolphin Tale 2" didn't give me enough of a tale. Too many loose ends and unanswered questions. I have a hard time discussing a movie that I haven't seen.

TANTAROS: The heart accelerating in that promo, that is how I feel every time I see Bradley Cooper so I'll be there.

BOLLING: Very good. Bobby?

BECKEL: The last movie I saw was "Seabiscuit," so I'm with Greg.

TANTAROS: It's a great movie.

BECKEL: If I hadn't seen it.

GUTFELD: And that wasn't even a movie, that was an actual biscuit. We saw a biscuit.

PERINO: And you ate it.

BOLLING: So that was good, because now we saved some time for this one. Ready for some great video of a mom busting her daughter, who was ditching high school for a week. Note to kids playing hooky: stay off Facebook.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When was I ditching, Mom?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every day this week.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I can show you -- oh, yes. We're going to hold hands and we're going to go to class and sit together. Isn't that great? Mommy and daughter, yay, we're going to class together. Isn't it great?

You thought it was cute to ditch with your friends. Now let's see how cute you think it is to hang out with mom during class.

This is what happens when Ricky can't act right. Her mom has to come to the school and record her to get it through her head.


GUTFELD: I know that looks great, but how come when I go to school and do that, I'm arrested. It's sexist, but I have an idea, what if you took a class in skipping? It would be called skipping class. And then if somebody said, "Hey, what are you doing," you say, "Oh, I'm skipping class." You sound really cool, but you're still going to class. That's the answer, ladies and gentlemen. I'm leaving.

BOLLING: Very good. Ands.

TANTAROS: I could have taught that class senior year, in fact.

BOLLING: Can you imagine if your mom caught you?

TANTAROS: You know, I texted my mom before the show. I said, "Did you ever catch me cutting class?" And she said no. And then I remembered my brother did.

I went to the mall -- and sorry, Mom, I used your car. And Dean busted me. And my friend Erica got busted at a diner. I couldn't skip and go to the diners, because they all network. They'd call my dad and rat me out. But Erica got caught by her parents. They were having breakfast at the same diner, and she had cigarettes in her hands.

BOLLING: Now, so we all want to know: Dana, did you ever play hooky?

PERINO: I did it once, and I got busted. Remember? My mom -- what I didn't know that my mom knew is that she put it in a frame, my mom and dad, and then gave it to me for Christmas. And it was horrible.

TANTAROS: Your friends...

PERINO: But my friends, it wasn't cutting school, but the one that went to the Def Leppard concert and ended up in the "Pour Some Sugar on Me" video. We found out six months later. We've still got to watch that.

BECKEL: I had a niece living with us for a year, and she skipped 77 out of 79 days of high school. It took us about seven months to figure it out.

PERINO: Wow, what was she doing?

BECKEL: I don't really want to get into that.

She was doing what her uncle used to do.


BOLLING: We'll move on right there. When we come back, you know it's hard to give up sweets. Bob is on day four of no cookies and candy, and it hasn't been easy. We'll tell you how it's going next.


BECKEL: Now it's been a tough week for me. Not only have I been outnumbered here on a number of topics, but I gave up my sweets for -- to try to lose some weight. Because I learned this last year, when you don't eat sugar, you actually lose a lot of weight.

Now, for example, I had to give up Ho-Hos. Do you know how good a Ho-Ho is at 2 in the morning?

TANTAROS: Well, you haven't given up all the Ho-Hos in your life. The dessert.

BECKEL: No, no, no. And, of course, there's Twinkies. Instead of that, I wouldn't eat this crap. That's kale.

BOLLING: What do you want? Do you want an apple?

BECKEL: Yes, apples are not bad. But that's not good.

BOLLING: Actually, this is what you want.

BECKEL: Let me tell you, it does work. I mean, if you stop eating junk food, you'll start to lose a lot of weight real fast. The problem is when you stop, you start back on it again; and being a former alcoholic, we are all sugar addicts, and it's just very tough. As a matter of fact it stinks. It's just the worst...

PERINO: But you're in a better mood. You feel better, right?

BECKEL: No, I don't. I don't feel better, I don't look better. I don't look better. I don't swim better. I don't do anything. And I haven't got my backwards on all week.

BOLLING: You haven't fixed your politics either.

BECKEL: But listen, what's your best advice for losing weight?

BOLLING : I don't have -- I just eat properly. I'm lucky. I don't have an addiction to sugar. I have an addiction to salt. Like, if there were, like, salty snacks out here, I would be dying to have one.

PERINO: Doritos.

BOLLING: Yes, Doritos is one of those. This doesn't...

TANTAROS: This doesn't do it for you?


BECKEL: Dana, what about you?

PERINO: Well, I eat pretty healthy. And I'm having No Dessert Fall. OK, that started September 1. Going pretty well.

But I have -- my advice, Bob, for you, if you really want to lose weight. Make sure you get exercise every day. You've got to get one of these. You have to get a Jasper dog. Because it makes you go outside. You have to go for a walk with him, and you add, like, 3 to 5 miles a day to your walking.

BECKEL: Dana, I would rather go to 500 pounds and have another coronary. Go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: First I want to give credit to the -- our fantastic prop department at "The Five."

Some obvious tips: low carb and portion control solves 95 percent of your issues, but do -- or you can just do what I do. I only eat in awkward situations or a place where you can't really eat a lot. Like you can't really eat an entire hoagie in a men's room. So generally, I'll have lunch in the men's room until people stare at me, and then I'll leave.

PERINO: I can't eat a hoagie in the men's room either.

BECKEL: We've got to go. I want to hear what you -- you stay thin and you still eat a lot.

TANTAROS: Yes. Well, I eat healthy: no white sugar, no white flour, lots of cardio, lots of sleep.

BECKEL: God, what a horrible way to live.

TANTAROS: No, but you know what? Nothing tastes better than being thin feels.

BECKEL: I don't know.

BOLLING: All right. Go ahead.

BECKEL: I've got to -- I can get these Ho-Hos. Get them out of here. I don't want to see them anymore! Get them out! Go, go!

TANTAROS: You don't go in an raid the green room tray like you used to do?

BECKEL: No, I don't.

All right, "One More Thing" is up next.


TANTAROS: Time now for "One More Thing." EB2016.

BOLLING: All right. Very quickly, happy 17th anniversary to my lovely wife. Seventeen years of marital bliss; it's been great.

OK, it's Friday, so it's time for...



GRAPHIC: Fool of the Week


BOLLING: I love this video, because it's Kim Kardashian, according to Radar Online, left her posh hotel in Paris, was headed to the airport when she realized she forgot one of her belongings in the hotel. She abruptly made an about face, returned to the lobby, picked up her package, and then boarded her SUV and off to the airport.

The important accessory that she forgot, her kid. That's right. She almost left little North West in Paris before heading back to the United States, Lala Land. For that, we had to make you "Fool of the Week."

I'd also point out, of course, Kim Kardashian is strongly denying that she left little North in the hotel. We definitely...

BECKEL: And I'm not going to say a single thing.

TANTAROS: Very good. Just fool for one week, though, that's it?

BECKEL: No, I've dialed back.


GUTFELD: Time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Secrets to Happiness.


GUTFELD: Thank you, announcer. Always does a great job, that fine young man.

Anyway, you know why marriage is important? Roll this tape, because, you know, when you're single and alone, you may never have someone to scratch an itch. Like this bear, you must go into the woods and find a tree to scratch. But with marriage, you can scratch many different itches. We'll be right back.


BECKEL: There's a real self-pity (ph).

PERINO: And now a word from our sponsors.



BECKEL: I wanted to say this publicly here, because I wanted to -- I was going to write a note, but I don't write very well. But I was invited down to Dana and Peter's house in South Carolina, had a wonderful time. They're gracious people, wonderful people around there.

And I also had a chance to ride something that I hadn't ridden in in a good 20 years. That's the -- Peter and I in his side car. And that's Peter driving his Harley. It was a great weekend, Dana. Thank you very, very much.

GUTFELD: Can't see the bike.

BECKEL: I know.

PERINO: It's a selfie.

TANTAROS: You were doing a selfie?

BECKEL: I didn't know what I was doing, obviously.

TANTAROS: Men older than 30 should not wear their hats on backwards -- Dana.

PERINO: Or else it was going to fly off. Because it was in the side car.

We loved having you, Bob. You were a great guest. We can't wait to have you back.

I wanted to talk about this protest that happened in New York yesterday. It's a good protest. OK, 20,000 people showed up in a park in New York City to talk about their support for school reform. They invited Mayor de Blasio to come to this, because they're pushing for school reform and charter school support. Mayor de Blasio has not been helping them, but 20,000 people...

BOLLING: Did he show up?

PERINO: He did not show up.

GUTFELD: What a jerk.

PERINO: He did not show up. At 257 of the city's public schools, fewer than 1 percent of the students are on grade level. That's what they were trying to talk about and try to get attention for. I hope that the mayor and the governor to pay attention.

TANTAROS: All right. I usually do not do birthday greetings, but this is a special one. My Aunt Helen, 90 years old.

BECKEL: Oh, boy.

TANTAROS: There she is when she was younger. That's her, I believe, 26 years old.

PERINO: Beautiful.

TANTAROS: Coolest woman around. She used to have a bar called the Holiday Inn in May's Landing with her husband, Vick, and she used to sing Sinatra. And she was, like, a second mom to my father when he came to this country. Aunt Helen, we love you. Thank you for everything you've done for our family.

PERINO: Happy birthday.

TANTAROS: "Special Report is next. Have a great weekend, everyone.

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Is America any safer from terrorism after Boston bombings?

Published Tuesday, April 15, 2014 / The Five
With Greg Gutfeld , Bob Beckel , Andrea Tantaros , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 15, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she uses a candy land board as a jogging track -- it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."


GUTFELD: Yay, it's Tax Day! Or for 70 million households -- Tuesday. Because for them, they pay no federal income tax so they are left wondering why everyone is at the post office sweating through their shirts.

I don't blame them. I envy them. A tax form to them is like a coupon for Head and Shoulders if you're bald.

This is how dependence works. Big government is grand if you don't feel its hand.

Not that I don't love taxes. Without them, how would people like Harry Reid thrive? Useless and productive society hucksters rely on us as their welfare. Reid and his ilk look at America and see millions of wallets and purses ready to be picked to perpetuate their power.

See, my theory of government is really simple -- it's all about the street. Government should keep things off the street -- thugs, the insane, invading armies -- and keep things on the street like cement and lamp posts. Everything else we can handle.

Which is why I'm bummed that 110 days of my salary goes directly into the mouth of a blob that turns my efforts into useful poop.

So today the IRS chuckles. And they can laugh, because as they target conservative groups while billions of taxes go unpaid by federal employees, it's you who has to worry. The cost of ticking them off? Jail time. That's April 15th for you.

It's not about filing, but force. Not taxes, but axes. And once that ax becomes untethered from reason or fairness, it's you who feels the blade.

That was a shout-out to Wesley Snipes.

Bob, went to jail over taxes and I had to explain it which makes it not worth it. Bob, the president has proposed 442 tax increases. I don't think that's enough.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I'm sure you don't think it's enough. Let's take -- be honest here about this, if you take Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, which are three entitlements that I think generally have massive amount of support in the country and you put defense in and you put the interest of the national debt, about 90-some percent of the tax in this country are --


BECKEL: -- necessary. You have to do it.

So, you're arguing a very small percentage of it. And the biggest tax -- the people with the biggest tax deductions in the country are corporations.

GUTFELD: All right. But the thing is you called Social Security an entitlement, which it's not. It's not an entitlement.

BECKEL: Well, that's the way the government lists it.

GUTFELD: Yes, but I don't list it that way, because that's my money that they are taking and flushing down the toilet when it could be invested into some accounts of some kind.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: It probably won't be there for you either, when you're eligible.

GUTFELD: No, it won't. In fact, I would like -- I would give up my Social Security right now even after paying all that, and say that will be my tax, how's that?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Call it even?

BOLLING: Call it even because I know I'm not going to see.

Eric, we talked about this. We talked about it before. Isn't there a better way or a more fair way to deal with taxes?

BOLLING: Yes, the last line in your monologue is a fair way. And the fair tax -- and I've said this before, I love the fair tax, people come out of the woodwork and say, what's wrong with you? But the fair tax for me is the one that's most fair that would make the most sense. You eliminate the IRS completely. There's no federal income tax whatsoever.

It's a 23 percent or so consumption tax. You pay it whether you are a businessman, talk show host or a pimp on the street. Everyone pays.

You pay 22 percent. But you don't have an IRS. And also, you keep your full paycheck.

And the other thing is, it gets government, it takes the power away from government. It takes that force, that axe you are talking about and takes it out of their hands. It untethers from the government.

You don't want a product, don't buy it. You don't pay tax.

GUTFELD: I love that.

BECKEL: Does 23 percent include everybody, including people who are poor?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: No, there's a way that you can give a credit if you're low income --


BOLLING: It's a prebate. So, if you are lower income or in poverty, you are actually paid for a reasonable amount of expenses, taxes that you would pay on products to stay alive, you know, food, energy, and those things.

TANTAROS: The problem with that is it takes the blade squarely out of the hands of the government and puts it into lobbyists who then lobby the government for their own special carve-outs, for their own special industries and turns the U.S. tax code which is basically what we have now, which is the Swiss cheese.

They tried this in New York. I'm more of a flat tax person myself.

Simpson-Bowles, they also were in favor of three brackets. I didn't love the brackets. But it was the good area to start.

The problem I don't like is what happened in New York with the fair tax, lobbyists got their way. And then you had taxes on large marshmallows, but not small marshmallows. Certain beverages like Yoo-hoo, but not all chocolate milk.

That's the problem now, is that it's too unfair and it's not simple enough. So, that's why I'm for more for the flat tax.

BOLLING: Can I defend fair tax a little bit? The true -- if you go to, there aren't different levels. You buy a product, you consumer product, you pay 23 percent.

TANTAROS: But that's in a perfect world. We live in a world where government is corrupt and lobbyists get their way. We saw this with ObamaCare bill. Certain lobbyists get to government and they get their own special carve-outs and the people, who deserve it the most, like say the middle class, aren't really getting necessarily a fair tax. It's actually not that fair.

GUTFELD: Dana, we talked about the height tax for some time, that the shorter are, you should pay less.

PERINO: It really should be fair. I mean, you really take a plus room.

GUTFELD: Yes. And studies show that taller people make more money.

So, it would only make sense that we get taxed less.

But I'm more interested in the FOX News poll. This is a very interesting poll. Surveys showed that people are most angry about paying taxes. It isn't the amount but the way it's spent.

So, the complainers aren't greedy, they are angry over government's incompetence.

PERINO: Right. And also, and they see reports of fraud. Whether the percentage of fraud is bigger or smaller than people think, they think it's there and they think the government is not doing enough to deal with that.

Interestingly, there is bipartisan consensus that the way to deal with all of these issues on the left and the right is through some sort of tax reform, be it a fair tax or the flat tax. There actually was a big movement in the late `90s to get that done and I think maybe it is time to do it. If you look at all of the numbers that it pays 111 days to pay your taxes before you start earning for yourself, it's not that people don't want to pay taxes. I think if it was more transparent and fair, the other thing I really like about one of those two tax reforms, it takes the cronyism out of Washington, D.C.

But that is only if you do something like what Estonia did, they had a clean slate. They got to design the tax program that they want and they went with 15 percent sales tax and it take something like a three-fifths vote of the parliament to change that, and that was impossible to do. So, their economy thrives.

I know our economy is a lot larger and more complicated than Estonia.

But talking to some people today, you could actually implement this in three to five years, and we wouldn't have to all of the headaches that we deal with every April 15th.

BOLLING: Can I address the flat tax? You still need the IRS. You still need for them to decide which deductions are fair which are going to get approved or which one aren't, and so you are going to have your whole lobbying group doing that as well.

TANTAROS: What do you mean? You can't really lobby. If there's three separate brackets like Simpson-Bowles put in their plan -

BOLLING: So, a tax bracket will have deductions in a flat tax, right?

TANTAROS: Are you saying there's a reality of getting rid of the IRS?

BOLLING: Yes. That's exactly --

TANTAROS: Again, we're talking like -- this is like --


BOLLING: You don't need an IRS.

TANTAROS: It's fantasia land. That would be great in theory. But it's not going to happen.

So, let's see what we can do and Democrats and Republicans get together --

BOLLING: It's like saying ObamaCare is not getting repealed. It could.

TANTAROS: -- and said that there's three brackets. That's what I said before. I didn't love Simpson-Bowles brackets. But, look, if you make $100, flat tax, you pay 10 bucks. Easy, no lobbyist corruption, period, end of story.

BECKEL: Dana said something before the show start I think is exactly right. In order for them to happen, somebody has got to run on it. A presidential candidate has got to run on it and make it the centerpiece of what they're doing. I think the public would be receptive to it.

Now, one of things you can do on either one of these flat tax or on consumption tax is you make it non-amenable without a super majority of the Congress to go along with it.

PERINO: Yes, that's true.

BECKEL: Now, if you do that, you can knockout most of the lobbyists.

I think that would work. If you did that, if you said on the consumption tax, all right, you want to try to get an exception here, get 75 percent of the House and the Senate to agree on it. It would never happen.

TANTAROS: Here's another political reality though and I think this is the bigger problem. This administration is creating a permanent welfare state for the middle class. They're making it more enviable for people to stop working. My sister called me the other day, she goes, some woman just called up she got health benefits, she said, I'm going to go just under 35 hours because I can get the subsidy and only pay 15 bucks a month for health care.

How is the Republican going to get that voter?


TANTAROS: If people are on the dole, they're not going to see the IRS is bad, because they have no skin in the game, which is what you just mentioned in your monologue.

BOLLING: This is may all be water under the bridge, as you pointed out, 70 million households don't pay any tax at all. That's about 45 percent of America. Which meets you hit 50.1 percent, you are never going to get the change that Bob is talking about because you won't get the votes to do.

You won't get the people in Congress because the people who don't pay income tax, love the system. This is a perfect system for them.

BECKEL: Did you notice that poll also said that second biggest complaint was that rich people don't pay enough?


PERINO: Well, I think all these polls, every year, though, they're going to say the same thing. People are going to -- some -- the people who pay taxes are going to say they're too high and the people that don't are going to say that the rich should pay more. There's probably not too surprising.

There is one interesting thing that I think is worth discussion for our government and if I were Republicans I will pick it up. And it's this idea that senior citizens who decide to continue to work after age 65 and don't retire early, or have a part-time job, that they wouldn't have to pay the payroll tax after certain age, like after age 60.

I think that makes a lot of sense, that way you get incentivize people to continue working. You get the benefit of senior citizens expertise and they have more flexibility because they're not going to see -- they're not going to spend their Social Security benefits past age 100, let's say, if they are lucky. So I think there are some things public policy-wise that we could do that would make taxes make a lot more sense for everybody involved.

GUTFELD: Lastly, hasn't the IRS suffered a lot. It's hard for us to take them seriously when they are asking for our money when they're not -- when they are allowing 300,000 federal employees to get out of paying $3.5 billion.

BOLLING: Can I throw one idea out there? Why don't we all pay what President Obama pays? Let's pay his tax rate.

PERINO: The 19.1 percent?

BOLLING: Nineteen-point-one percent, that's right. I'll sign up for that tomorrow.

BECKEL: Let's also keep in mind that under our current tax laws, more money is deducted than is collected. In other words, if you actually collected the tax you were supposed to collect, there's now more deductions


PERINO: Yes, but you have to pay a tax preparer -- it probably comes out as a wash because you have to pay a tax preparer who knows all those rules, so that by the time you save all the money, you've actually paid somebody to figure out all the money you should save.

GUTFELD: President Obama must have the best accountant on the plant because 19 percent.

TANTAROS: And the people at the IRS have the best boss, because they are getting bonuses for all their tax collections.

PERINO: And also, the other huge problem is refund fraud. And now, all these people put in. They pay today and the fraudsters are out, that are actually taking that refund money and the IRS seem unable to get a handle on that situation either.

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: So there.

GUTFELD: There you go. That was uplifting.

Coming up, a warning from the senate's majority leader from the nation's most infamous cattle rancher. Harry Reid's message for Mr. Bundy next on "The Five."


BOLLING: The United States government versus the Nevada rancher, Cliven Bundy, and Bundy with the backing of a grassroots swell from freedom fighters and a slew of TV cameras successfully got the feds to back down.

But a U.S. senator from Nevada has a warning for the Bundys and America.


SEN. HARRY REID, D-NEV.: It's not over. We cannot have an American people who violate the law and walk away from it. So, it's not over.


BOLLING: Cliven and Aman Bundy were on "Hannity" last night and responded to Senator Harry Reid's threat this way.


CLIVEN BUNDY, RANCHER: I don't have a response for Harry Reid but I have a response for every sheriff across the United States. Every county sheriff across the United States -- disarm the federal bureaucrat, take the federal bureau -- federal United States bureaucrats guns away.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE: I don't think there's any hope for him. He needs to be kick out of office even if he is a Senate majority leader.


BOLLING: Yes. So, Bobby, what do you think about that? I mean, there are a lot of issues here. States' rights, you know? Plus, a lot of people showed up and a lot of cameras rolling.

Where do you fall on this?

BECKEL: Well, Reid is right, that it's not over and they're going to have to do something to get this done. Not only are there 16,000 people who use federal land and pay their fees, but the Nevada cattlemen's association which represents cattlemen in that state, refuse to endorse Bundy. He does not have the support he needs to make a change and change has got to be -- he's got to change the law that says that grazing land belongs to the state of Nevada. It's been tried before and wasn't passed.

It won't pass again.

BOLLING: And I keep thinking this. OK. So, they are going after this Bundy guy for a couple hundred thousand of bucks. They are millions of -- millions upon millions of illegals here, we're spending a lot of our tax money in our emergency rooms, coming over day. Greg, should they be going after Bundy?

GUTFELD: Reid should treat him like an undocumented alien and declare amnesty.

No, you know, OK, one of the Bundy fellows actually said something, nailed it on the head, said Reid should be out of office. What he's talking about -- it's not really about cowboys, it's about candidates. You got to -- in order, you don't win these battles, you win elections. And they lose to Harry Reid because they did not have a good candidate.

I can't remember a name, Sharron Angle? Yes, if you guys want to change the landscape, you've got to find candidates who can win and then you don't have to worry about Harry Reid. That's the problem.

We don't want to focus too much on this battle. We should see that the bigger battle is at the ballot box.

BOLLING: And, Dana, shouldn't Harry Reid should be weighing on this especially what we know about -- not only his son, some rumors of his son maybe doing some deals in China. And --

PERINO: I know, but, Eric, those were debunked. I mean, there's really not --

BOLLING: What about his staffer?

PERINO: I don't know. I've read nothing that says definitively from a credible source that there is a connection and I think that people have -

- he works at beyond, but he was confirmed by the United States Senate 71 to like 20. So, I think you got bipartisan support and there are good staffers out there.

I think wishful thinking is one of the conservatives' biggest enemies and in this case, Harry Reid, in particular, just can't help himself. He never -- I don't think he should have used that tone. I think he could have said, I appreciate that the White House and the Interior Department and the governor and the cattlemen are all working together to reach a solution. Good-bye.

Instead, he has to be Mr. Tough Guy with black glasses and antagonize people further just as everybody had worked together to kind of back off the situation and allow the courts to do what they are going to do with the situation.

BOLLING: And, Ands, I saw Judge Napolitano on earlier saying, you know, what they could have done. They could just garnish, when Mr. Bundy, when the father passes away, when they do the estate, dropped the estate down to the children, they can take what they are owned.

TANTAROS: Yes, there is a path of less resistance for the government.

I think I said last week, garnish his wages, put a lien on property that he does own. It seems to me like the government wanted to provoke. I know he didn't pay his fees, so they have been patient with him, but seizing the cattle in the most dramatic fashion.

PERINO: During calving season.

TANTAROS: I just don't think it's a winning issue for Harry Reid. Now, I know why he's doing it because he's recently been in the headlines for sketchy campaign money being funneled to family members. And so, he probably want the headline of Nevada off of him. But again, why would he stick his nose in something that just from a PR perspective does not look right.

It looks like the government is bullying this cattle farmer Mr. Bundy, who I'm very sympathetic with. He's just trying to make a living. So many cattle farmers have gone out of business. But again, he's got to change the law. It's not OK to break the law if you don't like it.

BECKEL: I don't feel sorry for the guy at all. He's a tax dodge. He ought to be subpoenaed. He ought to be indicted. The fact of the matter is the people who don't want to see this happen is the 16,000 ranchers who use federal lands and get a cut --

PERINO: Do you feel the same about Sharpton?

GUTFELD: Or the federal employees --


PERINO: Al Sharpton owes $1.9 million and the president went to an event praising him just like Friday.

BECKEL: If that's the case, they ought to take everything --

PERINO: Take his cattle? I mean, what are they going to take on Al Sharpton?


BECKEL: Why should we all here apologize for a guy who's breaking the law?

BOLLING: So, Ands, where are you on amnesty for illegal immigrants?

Where are you?

BECKEL: I'm for a program that --


BECKEL: Why do you keep bringing these things in here? This has nothing to do --

BOLLING: Because they don't pay any tax. Bob, they are tax dodgers also.

BECKEL: You know who uses most illegal aliens? Are ranchers and farmers.

BOLLING: I'm simply saying, if you're OK, if you have a problem with the rancher for not paying his, quote-unquote, "taxes" --

TANTAROS: Speculation.

BOLLING: -- don't you have the same problems with illegals who aren't paying any tax whatsoever?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, do pay a lot of sales tax and they pay a lot of other things, and they also work.

TANTAROS: Don't you think this is a little harsh, seizing of the cattle with all the cameras there?

BECKEL: No, no. They have gone on 20 years with this guy. How much long you're going to go?

TANTAROS: Bob, it seems like they are deliberately provoking, being provocative.

BECKEL: Maybe by bringing those trucks out there and those guns.

They shouldn't have done that. But the fact is you can't let this guy running roughshod because he is the guy you feel sympathetic for you. To hell with him, he broke the law.

GUTFELD: You know who is laughing right now? The tortoise. They have a very weird laugh. You can hear it at night.

BOLLING: All right. We leave it right there.

Ahead, President Obama talks to comrade Vlad on the phone about tensions in Ukraine, days after a Russian jet buzzed one of our warships in the Black Sea. But should he stop talking and start taking action, next.


PERINO: Heavy gunfire at an airport today in eastern Ukraine after the government managed to take back control from members of a pro-Russian militia.

Yesterday, President Obama spoke on the phone with Vladimir Putin about his country's support for militia members. The White House says he expressed grave concern. Over the weekend, a Russian fighter made multiple passes at close range near an American warship in the Black Sea, a move that the Pentagon calls provocative.

Jay Carney was asked whether it may be an indication that the foreign policy isn't working.


REPORTER: Is there a sense in the administration and in the European capitals in which you are collaborating and dealing with, that what is going on is not working? That whatever signals you are sending, they are either not being heeded or misread and this entire approach, which is to not escalate isn't working?

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: No, Major, because the premise of the question is based on the notion that all the United States ever has to do when something happens in the world that we don't like is say "stop it" and they'll stop.


PERINO: Bob, by all accounts, tensions are very high and on either side there could be a miscalculation and a provocation that could escalate this into actual warfare, civil war in Ukraine. What do you think?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, I think a couple of things here we should take note of and that is the unrest in the Ukraine itself or these pro- Russian demonstrators that Putin had the gall to ask Obama to please help stop these people from being protesters for doing it to these protests.

Already, they've taken one town in Ukraine.

I think the answer now is very interesting. They sent John Brennan, who is the head of the CIA, over this weekend. I think what you're beginning to see is an idea that we're going to move beyond economic sanctions into more military-oriented, giving Ukraine military capability that they may need, whether it's for anti-helicopter missiles or other kinds of things.

It's time I think now to escalate in terms of military action within the Ukraine itself, and let the Ukraine army take care of it.

PERINO: But do you think, Greg, it's too little too late at this point?

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't think there ever was an approach. I think it was more like a retreat. America is a global power that decided that, you know, we want to concentrate on ourselves. I want to work on myself instead. That's what Obama said.

But burying your head in the sand doesn't make the ocean go away.

Putin saw that opportunity. He saw the president as a beta-male, more obsessed with Sandra Fluke than actual security, and he took advantage of it.

And, by the way, old beliefs die hard. If you think that America was a bad guy in the `70s and the `80s, you think you are going to change your mind -- I'm not talking about Putin.

PERINO: Ah-ha. I get it. Give me a minute, though.

Eric, let me ask you about an info surge. So, the CIA's John Brennan goes -- one of the concerns was United States wasn't sharing information intel, and that you have pro-Russian forces there. It was actually Vladimir Putin who made the request to Obama to have a phone call last night.

I feel like from communications strategy, that they are outfoxing us.

BOLLING: They are. I think maybe they have their ear on the ground.

I think America is divided on this. I think, you know, it's one of those issues -- there are a couple float around where really, it's not right left divided. It's divided how you see where our foreign policy should be.

I -- believe it or not, I think Obama is playing this the right way.

I think he's keeping his distance. You know, what's going on --

PERINO: But they argue that they're not.

BOLLING: Who is?

PERINO: The White House argues that their policy is working. That's what Jay Carney is saying.

BOLLING: And I'm agreeing with them.

PERINO: You agree that their policy is working. But do you disagree what the policy is from their perspective?

BOLLING: I don't even disagree what they are doing. If Europe -- if the rest of Europe -- if Western Europe is not involved and Germany isn't involved --

PERINO: But my point is White House says they are involved, and that they're heavily involved, and we're doing all of the right things.

BOLLING: And I'm -- but that's my point. I think we're OK, and my point is -- maybe you are surprised to hear me say that, but even with the unrest that's going on within Ukraine, that's not Russian forces. Russian forces are on the border. They are not entering Ukraine doing this. This is happening from within.

BECKEL: These are Russian agents doing the work in the Ukraine. I mean, come on.

TANTAROS: Sent there by Vladimir Putin himself.

PERINO: I think we have to be very clear eyed about that, Andrea.

Let me ask you if you think that on the intel side of things, was that enough or should we maybe unleash Google and Twitter to go on and like be the voice where Vladimir Putin has shut down access to free information?

TANTAROS: You know, I'm not sure he cares about that. I mean, ultimately, yes, he's winning the PR battle, but he wants to take over these former Soviet countries. So, I don't think Twitter would scare him.

I do not think Obama should be involved with this Russian issue, but I do disagree what they have done up to this point. If you look at the Reagan handled it, he put intermediate nukes right in Western Europe. He did it so that they wouldn't have to have this debate in the country that we're having now which is, should we send troops in.

They shame here too is that we are following the lead of the E.U. They tossed aside their defense budgets in favor of a welfare state. We're doing that.

Greg mentioned the president is like, yes, we're going to stay here and work on ourselves, while we're, quote, "more flexible with you guys and we're going to downsize our army".

So, I actually think by saying we're cutting our defense budget, focusing more on the welfare state -- I think up until now the president has failed. And it's a shame because the Ukraine is a fairly Western country unlike Turkey. It should be in NATO. But now, because of a feckless E.U. and a feckless President Obama, it won't be and that's why we're in not --

BECKEL: In fairness to that, it was the Ukrainians when they have this new president who pulled out their request for NATO. Poland has said we should put NATO troops there, they can't get the rest of the NATO to agree.

But I've got to correct you on just one thing -- I hate to do it -- but those intermediate missiles go there in `79 and `80, they did not go there because of President Ronald Reagan.


GUTFELD: But I mean, the point is --

BECKEL: They didn't.

TANTAROS: Yes, they did.

BECKEL: They did not. Harold Brown did that. He was the secretary of defense.

GUTFELD: But I think the point is this feud was supposed to be behind us because of peace through strength. We put out a visage that was intimidating. But it turns the reset button actually reset the Cold War.

Obama is a like doctor who brings back the measles. I mean, this is stuff we shouldn't be worrying about.

PERINO: I also don't think that we need to have a policy of war or ignore. I think there is a middle ground. And last November when -- in the United States when we were working on ourselves and we were working -- the president was working on the fact that the Web site for his health care bill had completely crash, that was when the Ukrainians actually voted for Yanukovych who ran on closer economic ties with the European Union. We didn't do enough to help them at that point and now, I think, this is why we've come to this point.

MATTHEWS: And I also, I would not worry about the Cold War. I hate to say this, but I will more than happy to say it -- Russian is a feckless ineffective country.

TANTAROS: But the spread of the E.U. and NATO was huge Putin goal was to get them to back off --

BECKEL: And they didn't.

TANTAROS: -- and he got his way. So, on a global stage, Putin is winning and we're not.

BECKEL: Well, he lost -- Poland became part of NATO, Estonia. I mean, everything except the Ukraine.

TANTAROS: That's what really scares him, Bob. That's what really frightens him and we waved our hand and said, oh, we don't know.

BECKEL: Why are you worried about the Russians? What in the world could they possibly do except cut off oil to Eastern Europe?

TANTAROS: Well, you're right. It's a terribly country except for its nukes masked the realities.

BECKEL: That's what they've got.

TANTAROS: It sends a message to every other scary world leader like Iran that we have a very wimpy administration.

PERINO: All right. Still to come on "The Five," Boston and the nation remembers the victims of last year's marathon bombing, one year to the day, next.



TANTAROS: A day of remembrance in Boston today, where exactly one year ago, two bombs tore through the city's marathon, killing three and injuring more than 260.


TANTAROS: Vice President Biden attended the service to mark the anniversary earlier. President Obama held a moment of silence behind closed doors at the White House.

The 2014 marathon will take place in Boston on Monday.

So, are we any safer from these kinds of attacks one year later?

Dana, I'm going to go to you first on this. There was a recent report in The Washington Times that cited that the chances of terrorists getting into this country aren't as great as they used to. President Bush did a great job bolstering our national security. However, now with the Internet, the real threats are terrorists like the Tsarnaev brothers, this radicalization that anybody can do.

Are we more susceptible to that kind of terrorist attack with people living inside the United States of America?

PERINO: I think it's hard to say and we have to put our trust in the government and the men and women in uniform and also in civilian or intel operations to try to keep us safe.

But the lone wolf is the terrorist is the one that is -- could be most dangerous. They might not be able to pull off huge attacks where you have thousands of casualties like you did on 9/11, but it is pretty remarkable that a domestic terror attack involving an Islamic extremist happened in the United States during a major American event, and aside from the initial coverage, it's something that people have sort of forgotten about.

That's why it's important for us to think about this anniversary and to continue to press our government officials to find out, OK. So, what are we doing? If the lone wolf is the biggest threat, what are we doing to track down people like the Tsarnaev brothers before they can act?

TANTAROS: Eric, one of the reasons we didn't get one of the -- or the brothers, I should say, is because someone working in intelligence did not spell their name correctly and there's reports that the Russians didn't share the right details with us. Well, we can't really rely them, we're realizing that.

You've been pretty vocal about how the administration has approached capturing terrorists by spying on Americans.

Do you think that's the right way to go?

BOLLING: Look, here's what I think. I think we need to beef up the way we find these homegrown cells. We have to go on the Internet. We need the smartest people working, doing exactly what they need to be doing.

As long as they're -- you are looking for the right people. Like we've talk about before, I don't want to get into this whole discussion tonight, but I don't believe there should be a dragnet over all of America.

Here's the scary part though. It doesn't matter how much money or resources you put at this, when a guy puts together a bomb in a pressure cooker and walks to the Boston marathon and leaves it in his dorm door, and it leaves it and blows off and kills -- you're never -- it's just never not going to happen.

The sad part is we live in an open society which is perfect. But we're going to have now go -- Bob and I went to the Super Bowl, it took an hour and a half to get through security. And we had passes. It probably took three hours just to get through security if you were just showing up for the game.

That's the sad reality we have going forward.

TANTAROS: Greg, the conversation since Boston has not been an honest one about radical Islam. Even in the days and weeks after, even as recently as today.

Ronan Farrow, who's over on MSNBC, decided to highlight some of the hobbies of the terrorists instead of warning Americans about the dangers of radical Islam.


RONAN FARROW, MSNBC: We're going to take a look at the people behind this Tsarnaev.

In America, kids play football, basketball, baseball. In Chechnya and Dagestan, where Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the part of their childhood, they wrestle and do martial arts. Fighting is a way of life.

For a few people here, so is extremism.


TANTAROS: They do karate.

GUTFELD: So, OK, it's not radical Islam. It's wrestling. See, we're not susceptible to terrorism, we're susceptible to idiots. And no wonder we got to remember, over time, we have to remember the victims.

Take a movie like "Bonnie and Clyde". We don't remember the 12 victims. We know the names Bonnie and Clyde. We don't know the names of the victims. So, you have to remember the victims and you have to be steadfast against the pop culture that flips the scripts.

That's why cop killers are cool and you don't know the name of the actual cop victim, Daniel Faulkner. But you know Mumia.

That's why Rolling Stone puts a terrorist on the cover because he looks like a member of One Direction.

So, my feeling is we're not feeling susceptible to danger. We're susceptible to D-bags.

TANTAROS: Bob, some of your best moments or my favorite moments of you on THE FIVE is when you commented on how we glorified these terrorists and sort of brush under the rug their radical Islamic ties and highlighting, you know, maybe their high kicks or their roundhouse right.

You've taken Rolling Stone to task. You've taken other networks to task.

BECKEL: Look, I think what we're hearing here and it's exactly right. By the way, I think you should probably give President Obama and his administration pretty good marks for keeping terrorism out. There's not been a major terrorist attack on the United States. There've been home grown terrorist attacks. That's wrong here.

These various Muslim groups like CAIR and others, it is not difficult to identify somebody who is, you know, isolated, who is mad with the United States. That's where the future is. The future is finding people like these brothers to do these kinds of acts because al Qaeda is no longer in a position to attack the United States.

BOLLING: Before you take the victory lap for President Obama, what he has done is using the same infrastructure that was put in place by the Bush administration.

BECKEL: I'm not taking away from Bush.

BOLLING: You said you have to give President Obama credit for it --

BECKEL: You do --


BOLLING: Well, first, he said he was going to dismantle it and they realize how dangerous the world is.

PERINO: It would be nice if the president could give President Bush some credit.


PERINO: Ahead on "The Five" -- do Americans work too hard? The answer is yes. But is that a bad thing? Bob thinks so and he wants us to get on board with Europe. He'll tell us all about it, up next.


BECKEL: Here in America, we work too hard. I'm a case in point. Many of us are glued to our BlackBerries like my colleagues around the table here long after we leave the office. Did you know in France there's a new law that allows citizens to ignore emails after 6 p.m.? That's my kind of law. And a town in Sweden is testing out a 30-hour work week. I think Europe has got the right idea. But the folk over at Cadillac might disagree.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do we work so hard? For what? For this? For stuff? Other countries, they work, they stroll home, they stop by the cafe, they take August off, off. Why aren't you like that? Why aren't we like that? Because we're crazy, driven, hard-working believers. That's why.

As for all the stuff, that's the upside for only taking two weeks off in August.


BECKEL: I can't get that guy out of my head, the guy on "Justified" got his arm chopped off.

I do think there's something to be said. It was tried here once in the Depression. The Kellogg company that makes cereal decided to go to four six-hour shifts. Profitability went up, profits went up. More people got jobs. Why not give it a try?

BOLLING: Was that, like, in the 1880s?

BECKEL: No, it was in the 1940s.

BOLLING: What about the hard-working society? We built the strongest powerhouse economy on the planet, working hard, working more. I agree with the guy in the Cadillac. By the way, what's two weeks off like?

BECKEL: What do you mean? I don't know.

PERINO: Yes, no kidding.

BOLLING: Around here, we work. Greg takes some time off. He's working when he takes a day off.

BECKEL: He is?

GUTFELD: I agree. I agree. Why -- why does America always want to adopt the policies of the people we beat? That's all we do. By the way, the Sweden thing, those are politicians. Those are government guys that are actually getting their hours cut back, which I agree with. I would pay all government workers not to work.

BECKEL: Dana, what if they took six hours, and it turns out that they were working, getting more productivity and they were doing a better job?

PERINO: It would be nice if we had that luxury. But the Baby Boomers have made sure that we are going to be tied to our jobs for the rest of our lives and not benefit from Social Security and Medicare like they did.

BECKEL: There you go.

PERINO: That will have to be changed. This is what -- we are watching the decline of a former great empire in France.

BECKEL: Well, Sweden is ranked No. 1 in virtual every category of life, quality of life. So I'm not so sure it's so bad.

You worked, what, from 6 to 6 in the morning, doing restaurant work and look at you.

TANTAROS: If I didn't work. That's true. If I didn't work now, I think I'd go crazy. But every time I hear these stories about European countries cutting back on work, I think we should rejoice. They're basically announcing, "Guess what? We're making it even harder for us to compete with you."

And I look at France, I mean, they have that new disconnect law for certain self-employed people that you can...

BECKEL: What's wrong with that?

TANTAROS: ... cut down. Who would hire somebody that can shut off and -- whenever they want at 6 o'clock? 

BECKEL: Wouldn't you want to stop listening to these nincompoops who email you after 6 p.m.?

TANTAROS: I would -- I would love it, but I will never be successful if I did it.

GUTFELD: You're talking about our bosses? They're the ones that are e-mailing.

PERINO: No, I'm the one e-mailing.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's true.

BOLLING: Rather than emulating a European 40- -- 30-hour workweek, we should look at the Chinese, some of the economies that are starting to kick our butt. Those people work hard. There aren't labor laws. There aren't minimum wages. They're working harder than we...

BECKEL: That's what we should have: no labor unions and no minimum wage?

BOLLING: Exactly.

BECKEL: They work for a dollar a day.

BOLLING: Certainly no maximum hours per week, for sure.

PERINO: There's nothing more satisfying than putting in a hard day's work. And for example, with your book.

BECKEL: Speak for yourself.

PERINO: You work really hard. You go on the book tour. People come out and they want to buy your product. And that feels good.

GUTFELD: This is why I only drink after I work. Because you have to have -- you have to be rewarded for the hard work you do. You can't just sit around and drink. You've got to work.

BECKEL: That is not true. You want to be...

TANTAROS: You drink relative to how much you work?

GUTFELD: Exactly. The more I work, the more I drink.

PERINO: Don't you write like four paragraphs and then you can have a drink?

GUTFELD: Yes. I do an hour a drink.

BECKEL: There's nothing wrong with getting up at 11 a.m. in the morning, coming in to work for two hours. Absolutely nothing. "One More Thing"...

PERINO: No, it works perfectly for you.

BECKEL: ... is up next. It's a long day.


GUTFELD: It will take about a week for the ointment to work.

It's time for "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: By the way, Dana's "One More Thing," amazing. Can't way to see that one.

OK. So last Friday, I did a speech for the National Ocean Industries Association. Great American offshore drillers. Love those guys. But so I'm getting on the plane. Show the picture of the plane. I take an airplane selfie. They put you in first class, they send it out.

As I'm sitting there, a girl gets on the plane. She's sitting right behind me, directly behind me. She's about 28 years old, pretty attractive girl. She says, "I love 'The Five'. I love you on 'The Five.' You guys are great. Did I tell you how much I love 'The Five'? I love 'The Five.'"

Twice she said it during the flight.

I think getting off the flight I'm getting my bag. She puts something in my hand. I put it in my pocket, because people are pushing me to get off. And what do you know? I forget about it. I get all the way back to FOX. I reach in my pocket to find out what she put in my -- in my hand. It was this. Show a picture of it please. A picture. Guys.

U.S. Federal air marshal, sitting behind me. Twenty-eight years old. Pretty girl. I'm telling you, it made me feel so much safer. You have no idea who the air marshals are.

TANTAROS: Just like "Bridesmaids," right?

BECKEL: Why was she sitting right behind you?

BOLLING: That I don't know.

GUTFELD; She might not have been a marshal. She might been a real fun gal.

PERINO: But then has handcuffs.

GUTFELD: I travel with handcuffs everywhere. You never know when you're going to need them -- Dana.

PERINO: Wow, that introduction.

OK. You'll want to see this video from the Fine Brothers entertainment. This is from the hit online series called "React." This is a bunch of kid for the first time in their lives see a Walkman. Do you remember these?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is this thing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no idea what it is.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't get what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do I do? Press play?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know what it does.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So do you know what that is used for?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You speak into it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Use it, a boom box.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wait, wait, wait. It's a cassette player, right.


PERINO: OK. That was funny.

BOLLING: Adorable.

PERINO: I had a Walkman.

GUTFELD: I guess those kids are just really stupid, is that what they're saying? These kids are stupid? That's terrible, Dana. Oh, let's make fun of dumb kids -- Bob.

BECKEL: Yes. Well, last night one of the rare moon events occurred, and that is what they call the blood moon. And it was seen over North and South America predominantly. I happened to see it at 3 o'clock in the morning, which is about the time I go to bed.

GUTFELD: You were walking home.

BECKEL: I was walking home, right. And it is when the earth's shadow moves in front of the moon and you have a full moon, and it turns red. And people all over the country saw it, except for these people, because they're all asleep. And Dana was asleep about 8:30.

TANTAROS: Very different from the other full moons you see.

BECKEL: Yes. I howl at those.

GUTFELD: Andrea.

TANTAROS: All right. For those of you who are getting excited about a 40-year AC/DC anniversary, there have been reports that one of their original founding member, guitarist Malcolm Young, is sick. The band has reserved studio time in May. Brian Johnson came out and told a Florida radio station "one of our guys" was pretty ill earlier this year. But one source close to the band says these are just rumors. But we hope that Malcolm is doing well. So...

GUTFELD: One of the greatest bands ever.

TANTAROS: That is so true.

PERINO: They scared me.

TANTAROS: But I miss Bon Scott.

GUTFELD: I could see you being scared by AC/DC.

BOLLING: "Hell's Bells." How scary?

GUTFELD: "Highway to Hell."

PERINO: I didn't listen to that.

GUTFELD: "Dirty Deeds."

All right. DVR it so you don't miss an episode. See you tomorrow.

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Feds vow legal action after ending Nevada ranch standoff

Published Monday, April 14, 2014 / The Five
With Kimberly Guilfoyle , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino , Greg Gutfeld , Bob Beckel

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 14, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, the tense stand-off between a Nevada rancher and the feds is over for now. But the government is vowing to take the fight back to court. Thankfully, the showdown was resolved over the weekend with no violence or injuries. The Bureau of Land Management released around 400 head of cattle it seized from Cliven Bundy for failing to pay grazing fees for more than 20 years. Now, Bundy says the land his ancestors settled on belongs to Nevada.

Here are some of Bundy's family members after the feds backed down.


LILIE SPENCER, SISTER OF CLIVEN BUNDY: Those cattle are ours. They are Cliven Bundy's family cattle. And they stole them from us and they realize it. They're our cows and they get to come home to the place they've lived all their lives.

RYAN BUNDY, SON OF CLIVEN BUNDY: We the people have just had enough of tyranny of government, you know, on all levels, federal, state, county levels, the people are tired of being oppressed by government. And that's what this was really about. That's why they responded to us.


GUILFOYLE: You heard it here, the cows are coming home to graze.

That's the update for the day.

So, who is in the right here, Eric? Was it the right decision? Did they back down because they were afraid of having a kind of violence, militia, eruption, something like that?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think they are doing right thing. I think you saw a lot of people -- there's a lot of media coverage of it. People started lining up. A bunch of people came and I think the feds did a right thing because there's a lot of questions what's really going on there.

Does the Bundy family have the right to be grazing? I mean, for God's sake, these are cows want to eat a little grass. The feds, the IRS, $4 billion in return to the wrong people last year alone and were playing around with a few, you know, they say a million dollars. I don't know, negotiate down to a number that's reasonable for both. Give the guy's cows back.

And I'm just glad to see everything calmed down and let them take it out in court and fix in it court.

GUILFOYLE: There's a real legal question, Dana, as to the land, right? Whether they have the right, meaning, the Bundy family, to have their 400 heads of cattle graze there, or is there something that the government is in the right? But when you go and you take a U.S. citizen, tax-paying citizen or at least partially in arrears, his property, those are his cattle, then you are having a whole other situation.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And I thought the Republican Governor Brian Sandoval was probably the best voice of reason of all of this, in trying to tell the government you might have a point, but actually, this is a state issue not a federal issue. So, can you back off and let us deal with it like reasonable people in all of this?

I think the problems that the administration, the White House was about to have is that you had the video of the tasing and the buildup and this escalation, and the story line, whether it's fair or not, but it was developing on the left was that the federal government is sending a sniper to shoot at people to protect its turtle. That is the message that they were about to send, and so I think everybody backing off.

There's bigger questions here about Endangered Species Act Reform writ large, and also how elitists on the coast are condescending towards people who have chosen a way of life in rural America. And I don't think those are going to be solved during the Obama administration, but it will be an issue in 2014.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Greg, how do you see it? Who's in the right here?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, I'm happy for the cattle. I'm heard there's going to be a Hannity special. Cattle will be in the audience to answer anybody's questions.

It does go back to these turtles, these turtles.


GUTFED: The bigger implication here it's a symbol of a government that's more inclined to target citizens than their enemies. If we had the endangered tortoises in Benghazi, would the response have been any faster?

Who knows? But I said this before, big government always makes people smaller. So, even though there's some lawlessness involved here, it's always -- the inclination is to be for the individual, even if the individual may have broken some laws.

And I think, Bob -- you know, that's what Bob feels. But the fact is this reveals the flaws of a big government. It's a clump of coercion that does not know how to negotiate with people. There's no reasoning or dialogue. It's just, you're the fly and they're the swatter. So, it's actually kind of refreshing that they decided not to swat.


BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: And they made the right decision because it had the potential to blow-up in everybody's faces and people could have gotten hurt.

But let's get a couple of things straight here. One, it is not his land. Two --

GUILFOYLE: But he's saying it's the land belongs to the state of Nevada, therefore people who live there have a right. That's his argument.

That's his argument.

BECKEL: I know. But you could argue that all you want. That's been in and out of court for years. At some point, you are going to have negotiate what's federal land, what's not. But right now, he was on federal land, one. Two, there's 16,000 other ranchers who graze on federal lands and pay their taxes to graze and he's not. So, he's a lawbreaker as far as I'm concerned.

And this woman saying, oh now, the cattle have a chance to come home, like we're coming home to get them home and time to get off to the slaughter house. I mean, this is not --

GUILFOYLE: But that's not the point, what he does with the cattle.

He's saying that he has rights and if they've been really speaking open --


BECKEL: The next move ought to be -- forget sending in guys with tasers. Send in the IRS auditors and grab hold of what he's got in the bank.

BOLLING: That's fine, but here's when the whole issue change when they started saying, well, it's not about you owe the million dollars in grazing fees, it's really about the desert tortoise, that's the real issue.

And that's when they were starting to push the envelope a little. People got very ticked off especially when we talked about in Friday.

There's a Google-owned solar power plant in the same desert. They moved the tortoises for that. But they're not doing the --

GUTFELD: It's a shill game.

BOLLING: But here's the other thing -- Harry Reid, there's a link to Harry Reid. One of these people that used to work for him in his campaign I believe is somehow tied to the Bureau of Land Management.

PERINO: His name is Neil Kornze and actually --


PERINO: Natural -- guys that work in Natural Resources says that he's actually a really good guy, knows what he's doing, comes from that area, the dry land farming type of thing. That he actually gets high marks from both sides.

BOLLING: Can I just make the point I'm trying to make? Whether or not that's when the feds seemed to back off. When that link to Harry Reid was established, all of a sudden, the feds said, you know what, let's bring this tone down a little bit. I think they want to keep their eyes up Harry Reid on this.

BECKEL: Look, it's been going for 20 years. The last thing they wanted to see was another Ruby Ridge or another Waco.

GUILFOYLE: I agree, yes.

BECKEL: And the best thing to do -- it's been 20 years in and out of court in this guy. Now, I guess, the answer is you get them in the court or when he sends his cattle off to slaughter, grab hold of the cattle and take the profits.

GUTFELD: I don't have a cow, Bob.

OK. But I want to point out -- can I say that, you know -- these are small victories for a large segment of society, but they are minor compared to the larger victories which are elections. The real war is the election. Not stand-offs in Nevada. Standoffs in Nevada will come and they'll go, and things will turn out OK, but the White House who prefer you focus on that, rather than perhaps the bigger question of how do you win 2016? This is just a distraction.

PERINO: Remember last week when we watched the town hall and they had, it was a packed room, standing room-only and they had the speeches there. You don't get a group like that together just because of one person's cows. This is a culmination of a lot of frustration and the condescending tone from a lot of Democrats toward people in rural America.

For example, there's a congressman named Bruce Braley. He's running for Senate in Iowa. And he was caught on tape saying that if Senator Chuck Grassley became the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, that you might have a farmer from Iowa who never went to law school, never practiced law, serving as the next chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. That was seen as yet another swipe as we're better than you because we're more educated.

I think that the most wise people I've ever known don't live in cities. And they don't sit at a desk, they sit in a saddle. Their office is not top of a horse, not a horse crap that happens in New York.

BECKEL: I agree --

GUILFOYLE: Dana Perino came to play today, ladies and gentlemen.

BECKEL: I don't think people in the cost have any idea of the arguments about land and water in the West, but I come to 16,000 who do ranch and are good people and do pay their taxes.

BOLLING: All right. Can I give -- throw a number at you? Twelve million illegals in this country right now, continuing to come over. They will come and they have a baby. It costs $3,000 to have a baby.

How much do you think 12 million cost this country in health care per year when they go into an emergency room?

BECKEL: I have no idea. How did you get Bundy to that?

GUILFOYLE: He's Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: But we're playing around with, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars. At the end of the day -- sorry -- they are going to end up settling for a couple hundred thousands on this. You know and I know, when you have a dispute with the IRS, they think you owe this, you think that, you come out in the middle somewhere, few hundred thousand dollars.

Meanwhile, tens of billions of dollars we're spending on people who come over here illegally. Where's the priority?

BECKEL: Well, where the priority is --

GUILFOYLE: How do you balance it out? Yes.

BECKEL: We ought to get a bill -- there's the bills have been floating there for a long time and it's got to get resolved.

GUILFOYLE: But there's a number of issues at play, right? Because who owns the land? What are his rights? Did he in some way assert his rights to adverse possession and whatnot of the land by grazing on it openly in front of them and now they took his property? Well, now, they are going to court because they realize that that's a way to avoid a conflict here and potential danger.

BECKEL: What is not in question is it's not his land. It belongs to the federal government. Now, maybe it should not belong to him. I've seen politicians out in the west where this has been a prime issue and they've got a legitimate issue, when 85 percent of the state is owned by the federal government. But it is not his land -- let's make that clear.

GUILFOYLE: But, Bob, he's not even saying it's his land. He's saying that he's been grazing on it for years and years.


GUTFELD: At the root of this problem, we go back to the tortoise.

The tortoise is at fault here. I've had enough of these animals. I don't understand why they are on endangered list.

You throw out an endangered list, it doesn't mean you've had your run.

It's good, sayonara.

PERINO: Or you're slow-walking.

GUTFELD: Yes, you're slow -- how are you still here when you walk so slow? Get with the program.

GUILFOYLE: You seem to be a little heartless where tortoises are concerned?

GUTFELD: They smell funny.


GUTFELD: They smell funny. Have you ever gotten close to a tortoise or a turtle? They have an odd smell. They are cocky, too. They're cocky in their little homes.


PERINO: The bottom line is I think that this reminds to the brilliance of our system where you have a representative government and you have two senators from each state and that's why you have powerful people like Heller in Nevada and Barrasso in Wyoming -- people that are looking out for rural America in the U.S. Senate.

GUTFELD: They should elect the tortoise.

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Media mock CPAC; Malaysia airline vanishes without a trace

Published Monday, March 10, 2014 / The Five
With Greg Gutfeld , Kimberly Guilfoyle , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Dana Perino

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 10, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


All right. Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she wants got locked inside a mini-bar, it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."


GUTFELD: Every year, it comes in pairs -- CPAC and the media's mockery of CPAC.


CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Do you remember the bar scene in "Star Wars" with all those wild-eyed creatures from every part of the solar system? Well, today, here in Washington, the whole tapestry of weirdness was re-enacted at the annual convention of something called CPAC. And CPAC is the far out sharing space with the even further out -- a place for the crazy car to fill up with the usual suspects, Cruz and Paul and Rubio and Bobby Jindal.


GUTFELD: "Star Wars" bar, that's a real original metaphor. I think I used it like 30 times.

Now, you never see the press attack liberal gatherings, but that's because looters never target their own home. So the conservative gathering CPAC is called a freak show by those who should be extra careful slinging such mud.

Chris Matthews calling someone crazy? He's so nuts, if he ate a Snickers bar, it would be cannibalism.

But the media mocked CPAC for one big reason. It's a proxy for a larger group of people they despise but do not know. It's the America you don't see on HBO dramadies or in colonic waiting rooms. And this hate is really fear of opposing views, perhaps because their own views sag with doubt.

But let's just assume CPAC is odder than David Gregory's hair. So what? Weird people rule, if only to let us know that we're not so weird. Weird people also take risks. That makes them uncool. Rebels don't really look like James Dean. Those are the fakes. Renegades usually look like this.

Politics attract the odd. As a refugee from the left, I'd say there's more of that there. In fact, crazy is so common that not being crazy makes you the crazy.

Surely, CPAC is fractious, fiery, and at times nuts. So what? If trumpeting free markets, frankly discussing mandatory minimums and talking about race without smears of bigotry is weird, then may the weird inherit the Earth. Just leave the buttons and bumper stickers to the left.

Dana, you were overly excited about this monologue. You said, ooh, I have a great idea. What was that great idea?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, well, I don't know -- now that you built it up, I don't know if I will be able to meet the expectations.

GUTFELD: Well, what do you make --

PERINO: What I was thinking is the left has two CPACs, and they happen in the winter, the Golden Globes and the Oscars. No one thinks they're crazy.  They have a red carpet and everything.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That was a good one. I like it.

PERINO: CPAC -- thank you. Mondays. OK, here we go. Thank you.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I thought that was rather, but that's OK.

GUTFELD: Oh, how dare you?

PERINO: CPAC is base firing, right? I think one of the things people -- everybody sees the speeches and they look for who is going to get a slot, who will get invited, who will speak, but the speeches were actually very good this year. The most interesting stuff, though, happens in the breakout sessions. That's where you learn a lot about new tactics for "get out the vote", new social media micro-blogging and different types of tools in order to get out the message, and then you have other debates like mentioned on mandatory minimums, things that are happening all throughout the conference that don't necessarily happen on stage at the big speeches.

GUTFELD: You know, Bob, people always talk about how conservatives all think alike. But here, it's evidence that it's fractious, people argue.  What's wrong with that?

BECKEL: Well, listen, it's interesting. First of all, I want to congratulate Rand Paul and Cruz -- Teddy Cruz, my man coming in second.  That ticket would be a phenomenal ticket, Paul-Cruz or Cruz-Paul.

There's a study out by a Republican political analyst that's very revealing. Something I have been saying for a long time. The Tea Party and that group is not the base, in your monologue you suggested this was a vast majority of people.


BECKEL: About 50 percent -- about 50 percent, you didn't? I'm sorry. If you didn't, I interpreted it that way.

About 50 percent of Republicans consider themselves somewhat conservative, 30 percent consider themselves, believe it not, moderate or liberal, and 20 percent consider themselves very conservative, either secular or fundamentalists, evangelical. So, what you're seeing here is a very small percentage of the Republican Party.

But they keep pushing it out. They get a lot of attention. More power to 'em. Let it go on for months.

GUTFELD: Eric, there seems -- there's always been a libertarian element to CPAC and the conservative movement. But it seems this year, it's bigger than it has been.

BOLLING: I think you hit on the monologue, it's a place to take risks, yes, and some did, some didn't. But it's most importantly -- it's the place where new ideas are formed and, boy, did they hit the new ideas. And I agree, that's my notes were right here. They were forming new ideas.

If Bob is right and CPAC and the like aren't the base -- well, they darn well should be the base.

BECKEL: They are part of the base.

BOLLING: They should be because they're the young people, as Greg points out, libertarian leaning, smaller government, sure, lower taxes. Yes, but also some of the other issues that no one else wants to talk about, privacy, things like that. I'm completely, completely impressed with the way these people turned out with the enthusiasm that they turned out.

The left would love to have a group of young people that energized as the group at CPAC right there, and I'm not just kissing their butts. I really mean this. I think the winner, whoever wins on the Republican side, will be the who is able to get those people and also do some of the other big picture Republican type things.

GUILFOYLE: I have a comment about that because that's what I'm really curious about, whether or not this time they're going to be able to translate that, you know, momentum, the energy, the youth, and enthusiasm, to a point where it can go the distance. Because, you know, last year, what's going to make this year different than the last time when he was able to win, you know, at CPAC, right? Can they get it going for it and not be, yes, like the party of no and energize the base?

GUTFELD: I'll keep talking to you on this. I just want to show that the straw poll results which had Rand Paul way up in front with 31 percent.  You have Ted Cruz, you got Dr. Ben Carson coming in third.

BECKEL: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

GUTFELD: And then that guy, what's his name? Christie. Yes, I know, I was joking. The producer goes -- it's Chris Christie. I was kidding.


GUTFELD: So, Kimberly, what does this say? Is this -- does this have any relevance? It's too early?

GUILFOYLE: I like it because it actually shows a very interesting range that I think is good for the party. You have someone who is a free thinker that's come forward to be a dynamic speaker like Dr. Ben Carson, that's has really connected with people.

You have Rand Paul, also making a strong showing, again. He has a very motivated base. They're really dedicated to him, and they know how to get out there. I think that's a powerful yet untapped source for the Republican Party.

But will his followers if he's not the nominee go over to a guy like Christie? That's the problem. Maybe they'll go to someone else like a Ben Carson.

PERINO: Has ever somebody that won the CPAC straw poll ever gone on to be the nominee?

GUTFELD: It's always been -- his dad, Ron Paul.

BECKEL: Barry Goldwater, Barry Goldwater, every single nominee of the Republican Party has been from the established conservative wing, which is the majority of the Republican Party --

GUILFOYLE: But how do they get those guys?

BECKEL: When you say carry the momentum forward, it's a small group of people who get a lot of attention. But Ben -- are you kidding me? These people --

BOLLING: How has it worked out for the right with all these moderate Republicans?

BECKEL: If you try to put it in the hands of a right winger, what happens?

GUTFELD: You get Ronald Reagan.

BOLLING: They don't get there.

BECKEL: No, he wasn't -- what?

BOLLING: They don't get to the point where you have a strong voiced conservative to go up against a Democrat. Go up against a liberal.

GUILFOYLE: I like the diversity that I'm seeing.

GUTFELD: Yes, diversity. That's the important thing.

GUILFOYLE: I like Cruz, I like Ben Carson. That's important for the Republican Party.

GUTFELD: Before we move on to the Russian piece, this is George Will talking about the media coverage of the conservative Republican thing.


CHRIS WALLACE, HOST: Is the GOP getting any closer to a clarifying moment here?

GEORGE WILL, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I certainly hope not. It's much more interesting when they're dueling with one another. The conservative movement can't win in this argument because if they're harmonious, the media says stultifying, monochrome, oppressive, no diversity. Then when they argue with each other, they say cry havoc and let the dogs of civil war in the Republican Party. It's perfect nonsense.


GUTFELD: Perfect nonsense.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

PERINO: I thought that was a reassuring thing to hear from someone like George Will who studied it for so long and knows a lot about it. So, you have somebody with that kind of observation skills --

GUTFELD: Nice observational skills.

PERINO: Is it observational?


BECKEL: If you go back and look at the history of the Republican Party, this split has been going on for a long time. It started with Roosevelt versus Taft back in the early 1900s. Every step of the way, there's always been a very conservative member of the Republican Party who has contested for the presidency.

And only one time in my -- that I can remember, and that would be Rockefeller -- I mean Goldwater and it's because Rockefeller was the principled opponent, have they ever been successful.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOLLING: So, can I just make it quick? Everyone on the left is doing it, and some people on the right are doing it, too. They're talking -- and I actually bought into this for a while, there's a split between the Republican Party in the far right and the center right, and Rand Paul points this out. He says it's less of that than a bunch of individuals who are not necessarily all right, far right, or centrist right. They're just -- they have their own ideology.

It's not one -- it's not two factions of the Republican Party. It's --

GUTFELD: It's about four.

BECKEL: There's a lot more.

BOLLING: No, it's like 15 legitimate candidates that any one of them if the whole base and some of the establishment got behind them, would give Hillary a run for her money.

PERINO: But they will have to be -- they're going to have to be persuasive. So, a lot of these speeches were -- they threw out a lot of red meat and they're like funny lines, great sound bites. That doesn't necessarily always translate to persuasion that gets people to either donate money and certainly hasn't brought people to the polls.

GUTFELD: All right. I want to --

BECKEL: I wanted to ask Eric. You really think that any of those people - -


BOLLING: How's this? No one in the world saw Barack Obama beating Hillary Clinton at this point in time. Would the left love to have 10 or 15 legitimate candidates from the right?

BECKEL: We would like everyone who spoke at that convention.

BOLLING: Fourteen, 16, 18, 20 --

BECKEL: I would start with Teddy Cruz.

BOLLING: It's the party on the move up, Bob. You have to admit that.

BECKEL: Well --

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: I'd rather have choices than be basically given a candidate.

GUTFELD: But I will say this -- Bob has a point. You haven't seen that big one come through yet. We have a -- we still have that, you know --

GUILFOYLE: Is it coming?

GUTFELD: Let's talk about Ukraine real quick.


GUTFELD: All right. Dick Cheney was on, I guess it was CBS with Charlie Rose, talking about Barack Obama and the Ukraine, or Ukraine.


ROBERT GATES, FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY: I think that cutting the defense budget in significant ways right now is a serious mistake. It certainly sends a signal that we are not interested in protecting our global interests.

CHARLIE ROSE, CBS NEWS: Do you believe that President Putin believes that President Obama is weak?

RICHARD CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I think there's any -- no question he believes he is weak. I also think he hasn't got any credibility with our allies.


GUTFELD: K.G., what do you make of that?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Look, I think it was very interesting interview. I paid attention when I hear Cheney speak and when I hear Gates speak. So, to me, they have a lot of connections. They talk to people on a regular, daily basis that are making the moves and deciding things in this right now.

And I think an important point that Cheney said is that, you know, the Europeans got very irritated with the way the situation in Syria was handled. And so, that put a lot of doubt in their mind with respect to dealing with President Obama when that looked like it was a go situation.  He stepped back.

That's inconsistency, it lacks stability. It doesn't breed confidence and faith in somebody you have to work side by side with.

BECKEL: By the way, your interaction, Cheney -- I thought Cheney had a heart problem. I didn't know he had a neck problem, too.

GUTFELD: That was Gates.

GUILFOYLE: That was Gates.

BOLLING: And then Cheney.

BECKEL: I know, then Cheney.

But -- you know, first of all, Cheney, when he talks about the allies, Cheney talks to the right of most of the parliaments that he's talking about. I mean, look, the one thing Gates said I thought was most important and everybody should keep in mind is that they ought to rally around the president's situation like this.

BOLLING: I can say one more thing that you and I both spoken about. When asked about the Crimean region. He said it's gone. It's gone.

By the way, the Crimean people, the people who live in the area, want to be part of Russia. They don't want to be part of Ukraine.

PERINO: You guys, I've actually -- I don't think it's fair to them to say that. There's a Pew poll that came out done from them a year ago with 65 percent of them saying they did not want to be part of Russia. So, I don't think we can sit here in New York City and just say, OK, they want to be a part of Russia.

BECKEL: Poll of Crimea, just Crimea?


BOLLING: Or of Ukraine?

PERINO: Of Crimea. So, I mean, I just think and maybe something has changed in a year, but I just don't know if we're in a position to be able to say what they actually want. I thought last night on "60 Minutes", when they talked about Ukraine and what happened in the square in Kiev and the opulence of the mansion the former president fled from, that was really about -- that was finally talking about what the people really want.


PERINO: I thought that was refreshing.

GUILFOYLE: That was a good piece.

BOLLING: Can I add this little piece? If Germany and the E.U. isn't interested in defending Crimea from the Russians, why should we?

PERINO: So, then, what next? Everybody is just cool. Like you think that Putin is going to like -- that will be it?

BOLLING: I would be surprised if he went any further.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's end there, shall we?

Up next, the massive search for that jet plane that vanished from the sky in Asia, it's been nearly three days and the mystery is deepening, ahead.


GUILFOYLE: Well, it's been almost 72 hours since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared over the skies of the South China Sea. Loved ones of the 239 passengers and crew are still waiting anxiously for any news on what happened.

Now, there were three Americans onboard that jet, including an IBM executive named Philip Wood from Texas. His brothers James and Tom spoke to reporters about how they're holding up.


JAMES WOOD, BROTHER OF MISSING PASSENGER: Christ is what pulled us together. And it's how we're dealing with it. To be honest with you, it's a little surreal. We're still in shock and we have our moments.

TOM WOOD, BROTHER OF MISSING PASSENGER: He was a man of his word. Just a -- just a wonderful guy. He loved us and was very generous with his -- with his money and his time and his love, and took care of people without anybody knowing about it.


GUILFOYLE: Well, there's no evidence yet that terrorism was involved, but it hasn't been ruled out, especially with the discovery that two passengers got on that plane with false passports.

Here's Homeland Security Committee member Peter King.


REP. PETER KING, R-N.Y., HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE: I can tell you that every effort is being made to find out who they are, especially since we're talking about Malaysia, which is really a hub -- has been a hub of al Qaeda activity in the past. There was a meeting there prior to the attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Any number of 9/11 hijackers went through Malaysia.


GUILFOYLE: So, a lot of information coming in over the weekend about this, certainly some speculation. We're going to give you what we know since it's an ongoing investigation.

But, you know, Dana, this is really kind of a shroud of mystery. They can't rule out terrorism at this point. And it just seems you might be able to find a plane if there were significant remnants of one that large.

PERINO: Well, I think we should all pray it was an accident or there was a mechanical error, because the alternative, if it's terrorism, is a very chilling situation and you -- for lots of different reasons, right? It instills fear. You've lost innocent life.

And you are in a situation right now where the world allies need to be working together very closely on intelligence matters to share information and to do so in an open way, where they have a lot of trust, and over the last two weeks, we certainly have not seen that with some of the most important allies that we have.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, very good point.

Eric, where does this investigation going from here with some of the terrorism aspects of it they're exploring?

BOLLING: This is what is really kind of crazy. The two stolen -- the people who boarded the plane with stolen passports, those tickets were purchased with cash and not by the two passengers, by an Iranian named Mr. Ali.

Now, if that doesn't scare the heck out of you, nothing will. However, I'm going to -- let me take this side of this argument.


BOLLING: There are those, my wife included, who is hoping it's terrorism for this reason, because if a plane that is only 15 years or so old, which is a very short period in their life span --


BOLLING: -- in very good condition, can fall out of the sky and vanish and not be found for three days, some of the older planes, which a vast majority of our fleet are much older than this plane --

BECKEL: Your wife doesn't like to fly.

BOLLING: And she hates to fly. But I'm not making light of this. I'm serious. So, we can fix terrorism. I'm not sure we can fix planes blowing up arbitrarily over the sea and not finding them.

GUILFOYLE: Well, both I think are frightening and daunting outcomes of this investigation. Neither is good.

I mean, you even have children, like my son was asking me, what happened?  How can a plane just drop out of the air like that? Or did it blow up, did it explode? Did somebody take it? You know, there's a lot of questions and it's a frightening situation.

Bob, people have talked about Lockerbie. What do you think?

BECKEL: Well, Lockerbie -- it's interesting, because when Lockerbie blew up, it scattered debris within a 50-square-mile area from 30,000 feet. In this case, there's been nothing found which indicates to me that it may not have been blown out of the sky. That doesn't mean the terrorists didn't take over the cabin and put it straight into the water.

The incident, as Eric pointed out, not only did this guy buy the tickets in cash, he's bought from the same travel agency before. He had a business in Thailand.

When I was in Thailand, second to the number one business, the oldest profession, the number two business was you can buy passports that were stolen in Bangkok, because so many people come through Bangkok. It was a big business. That's where you get stolen passports.

You take those things and put them together, and this guy is not (ph) living in Iran, there's a reason to assume, at least an investigation of terrorism where -- 


GUILFOYLE: They're meeting in Malaysia before 9/11 as well. The disappearance of this plane, Greg, was both sudden and cataclysmic. It only had reached 30,000 feet and all of a sudden vanishes.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's weird, and it's dumbfounding we have no record of it because we think we can record everything.

There's a couple of points I want to make, it creates priorities in the news. We're talking about climate change and Russian politician muscle flexing, this knocks everything off because it affects everybody. It creates a hierarchy of priorities.

But what we know is inversely proportional to what we say being on TV. We have to keep talking about something without knowing anything.

The question is who would bomb a Malaysian plane on the way to China? Who has the capability? Who has the motive?

Right now, there is almost seemingly no motive unless it would be something like a dry run. But then why would you do a dry run because if it worked, then it hurts -- it makes it harder for you to do it next time.

GUILFOYLE: A security breach, being able to do it in that area of the world. It provides an opportunity --

GUILFOYLE: Just quick, I know we're getting out of here, but Air France lost a plane over the south Atlantic. It took two years to find the black box because the water was so deep. (INAUDIBLE) is in the South China Sea.

So, this will be a long process, and Greg is right, it's something you can conjecture about it all you want, you can say it may be terrorism. You can't rule it out, but you can't rule anything out at this stage in the game.

GUILFOYLE: It's just very disturbing I think also the communications seized. I mean, there was nothing to go on, you know, like you mentioned.

GUTFELD: Yes, it could be something we have never experienced before.  That's the most disturbing thing.


BOLLING: What are you talking about?

GUTFELD: I think a new kind of terrorism, whether it's used by -- I mean, what about the people -- weren't there passengers who checked in who never boarded?


GUTFELD: Yes. Maybe they never showed up, period, which is OK. There weren't checked bags.

BECKEL: They feel very lucky, don't they?


GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, next, a new dose of hypocrisy from Hollywood heavyweight Harvey Weinstein. Plus, video has just surfaced from Justin Bieber's deposition last week, and it's not good.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever talked to Selena Gomez and discussed your feelings about the paparazzi with her?

JUSTIN BIEBER, POP STAR: Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about her again.


GUILFOYLE: The wild tape, coming up.


BOLLING: All right. The fastest no, it's cantaloupe. The fastest seven minutes goes Hollywood with the Bieber the brat hole, Lindsay, the rehab queen, and the billionaire Harvey Weinstein, the hypocrite. Three entertaining story, seven energetic minutes, and one very enthusiastic.

First up, bratty, arrogant and combative Justin Bieber has no respect for the American justice system. Check out these videos TMZ obtained of the Biebs being deposed.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember earlier today when I asked you --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don't you listen to what I have to say first and then maybe you'll tell me yes or no.

BIEBER: I don't have to listen to anything you have to say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever disciplined Mr. Hesney?

BIEBER: Disciplined. What kind of question is that? Is he my son?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Answer the question.

BIEBER: Guess what? I don't recall.


BOLLING: You take this one, Dana. We want to smack that guy a little bit.  By the way, that's a deposition.

PERINO: I know. And the thing is, is that on the -- for the fastest seven, there's three topics. I have a lot for the first one and a lot for the third one. And I am a blank slate when it comes to Justin Bieber.

BOLLING: The Biebs?

PERINO: I really -- I don't know -- that's the American justice -- all right. Kimberly, does he have to be respectful?

GUILFOYLE: That's the central --

PERIUNO: Shouldn't he be respectful to the other lawyer?

GUILFOYLE: Of course, he should be respectful. Then again, some lawyers aren't respectful, either, the way they conduct themselves.

BOLLING: Are you alluding to the fact he was going for the sound bite, this lawyer?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I wasn't in the room for the whole thing, although I would have liked to have been.

BOLLING: Defending the Biebs. Greg?

GUILFOYLE: It's very interesting. No, he's acting snotty nosed for sure, but some of the questions are ridiculous, like discipline. He's right, discipline is what a parent does to a child. You punish and get a time out.

GUTFELD: Yes, he's immature, he's sulking, he's defiant. He could run for president. You know, I do actually --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he has good hair.

GUTFELD: I can't stand him, but I kind of agree with Kimberly, is that the guy was asking purposely, he's asking about ex-girlfriends and he's doing this. He was doing it, and look --


GUTFELD: How could you not love --

BOLLING: The Biebs --

GUTFELD: By the way, depositions are awful.

BOLLING: Horrible.

GUTFELD: And I never would have done that. I was --


BECKEL: I have never seen a personality go this quickly from being one of the widely acclaimed heartthrobs of America, and then it seems to me in a matter of months he's taken this turn and become an evil young man.  Michael Jackson took two decades for that to happen to him. This kid is not going to last.

BOLLING: All right. The next Hollywood wacko to grace the fastest seven, rehab queen Lindsay Lohan just four days out of her latest rehab stint.  Lilo talking about this being her last shot. Listen.


LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: It does take kind of getting to a really scary place. You think you can handle everything, but really, no, you can't.  There's nothing left in having a drink for me. What's left in that feeling? Maybe like trying the other way for me, which is, you know, living with integrity and living in control of my own self. That's the life I want now.


BOLLING: Bobby, talk about her reality show, just days out of rehab.

BECKEL: I find it absolutely stunningly bad. Not the reality show, but the idea you would take somebody 90 days out of rehab and put them on a reality show like that. She says she wants control of her own life. She has no control of her own life. A disease has control of her.

I've said this before, it's tragic but I think it's true -- left to this pattern people put her out there and continue to play off of her personality is going to kill her before she's 30 years old.



GUILFOYLE: Yes, there's a sign, a light, you're in a vulnerable time, post-rehab especially for her with multiple stints in rehab. So, you know, I wish her the best, I pray for her, you know, but I think she needs to money, so she's putting herself in this position. She's still in crisis.

BOLLING: You know, a lot of people out there are watching going, we're struggling in America. We're having a tough time. We're trying to raise our kids right, and seeing a moron like this who had chance after chance after chance, and now, we've got to watch her on TV.

GUTFELD: You know what I love? Her voice. She can qualify for old lady roles in movies. Her voice is raspier than Marge Simpson's sisters.

You know what? I agree with Bob. I don't think this is going to end well.

However, if there's a bit -- some sexism, we kind of like don't mind it when guys do this sort of thing.

BOLLING: Like Charlie Sheen?


BECKEL: I certainly do.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts?

GUILFOYLE: I was just thinking -- I hope it's true, all the things she says she wants for herself, I hope that comes true. I just think a reality show is a very strange way to get it. That's where you don't have control of your life. That's where you have everybody else focusing on you and you're under the spotlight all the time. Maybe she thinks that's the best way to keep herself from drinking.

GUTFELD: Date her, Bob. Date her, Bob. Date her.

BECKEL: There's an idea.


BOLLING: We got to go to this one.

Finally, Hollywood and hypocrisy are common bedfellows. The latest example, massive movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has a huge supporter -- was a huge supporter of President Obama's bloated budgets. But now, the fat cat producer wants us taxpayers, we taxpayers, to provide his obesely budgeted films with more tax incentives.

Dana, let's start with you on this one. This has got to drive you absolutely crazy.

PERINO: Well, to me, Hollywood is becoming one of the least trusted institutions or entities in America.

Here's the thing, though. If he wants to put a shoulder behind this, what he should do is if he's for tax breaks for him, tax breaks for all. Right now, there is a possibility, a slim one, but if he could get behind the corporate tax reform both Republicans and Democrats on the Hill want but President Obama hasn't approved, the way forward yet, I actually think they could do some good there in Hollywood. They could help themselves while helping the rest of America, including people who buy tickets to movies.

BOLLING: Some of the hypocrisy is he's a big supporter of President Obama and Hillary Clinton, some of the people who like the biggest taxes on the planet.

GUTFELD: Yes, he is part of the obedient status quo. They're more lock step than a marching band in Hollywood. But you know what? Tax breaks are like anything else to him. Like guns, they only should be available to left wing elitists. He loves gun control, but his mansion is probably better protected than Benghazi.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I think he's on the right side of the issue. I think there should be tax incentives. I think California is in trouble enough, then they should encourage the movie industry to film there, it's their base. So for once, he's right.

BOLLING: We agree with that. But what about supporting Hillary and supporting President Obama so vehemently?

GUILFOYLE: I guess all that support isn't getting him tax breaks.

BECKEL: Very quick point -- the movie industry has moved to Canada for shooting?

GUILFOYLE: New Orleans.

BECKEL: New Orleans for shooting, and other places because they have been given tax incentives. I think it's a reasonable case to be made if you want to keep your industry in your state, that's the way to do it.


BOLLING: Big business.


BOLLING: How about America? How about open American business environment?  Lower taxes?

GUILFOYLE: I agree with all of it.

BECKEL: You sound like that I don't like lower taxes. I think -- I'm for a flat tax.


BOLLING: Next, parents strike back against the mayor of New York City for kicking children out of their charter schools. Dana has the developments coming up.


PERINO: New fallout over the decision by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to oust three charter schools from public school space. Today, the Success Academy Charter School Network is filing a federal civil rights lawsuit against the mayor. Many parents want to stop de Blasio from denying good education to underprivileged minority students.

Here's reaction from Fox News contributor Deroy Murdock.


DEROY MURDOCK, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I think he's turned himself into the George Wallace of the 21st century. He's standing in the school house door the same way that George Wallace did in the 1960s. He says he's standing up for black people and Hispanics, and he's not. He's standing in the way of these little kids who want to get ahead, and he's really denying them the chance to get ahead in this society.


PERINO: De Blasio is standing firm, though. He defended his decision once again this morning.


MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO, D-N.Y.: I have never been against charter cools. I have to worry about 1.1 million students a year. By the way, only 70,000 go to charters, but I care about those 70,000. For the 95 percent of kids who are in traditional public schools, that's my first obligation.


PERINO: But it's not just talking heads who are arguing about this. I wanted to play this clip from a mom and daughter courtesy of The New York Daily News. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our kids are outperforming a lot of schools in the state, and it would be a huge mistake if we pulled the schools that are working for our children.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I'm pretty sure a great education got Mayor De Blasio to become a mayor, and I want my chance so I can succeed.


PERINO: All right. Pretty powerful testimony from parents and students.

Kimberly, you said you had a lot of feedback this weekend about this from friends.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Absolutely, and over the last few weeks. Moms calling me whose children attend Success Academy, and they are devastated. You have people out there marching. They've got great commercials. They're getting press coverage. Get loud, get angry about it because this is an outrage.  He's literally standing on the backs of minority children.

Ninety-three percent minority children is what attended charter schools.  They have a great opportunity for an amazing education. Not a system where they have teachers that are unionized, and now, de Blasio, the political hack, is trying to kiss butt on the unions and making good on his promise by closing these charter schools, and everybody in the know knows he's got a big feud with Eva Moskowitz who started it, and that's what's behind it, his political archenemy.

So, he's being very small-minded. He's hurting these kids. Shame on him.  He can't be thrown out of office soon enough.

PERINO: As of Friday, Bob, Bill de Blasio was down to a 39 percent approval rating. I think the questions of his motivations about whether or not he cares for kids, I think maybe we should set that aside. I think he said it, well, this morning when he was on "Morning Joe" talking about that.

What are your feelings, though, about the politics of this? Nervous?

BECKEL: Very rarely have seen a politician screw something up like this.  I mean, look, we're now talking about this guy being against charter schools. The fact of the matter is he only --

PERINO: Or against children.

BECKEL: Or against children. He allowed 14 out of 17 charter schools to remain where they were, and he said he would take the other three and put them someplace else.

Now, the problem is he let the story get out in front of him like that. He got the payoff to the unions and the rest of it. And he probably doesn't like the charter schools.

GUILFOYLE: But he also rescinded the funds that were approved.

BECKEL: But the story got running away with itself, and he did not control it. At least he could have said, why are we closing these three schools?

PERINO: Eric, in the time we have remaining, you love this story. Why?

BOLLING: I love this story, because here's what happened this morning.  Understand, Kimberly is right. De Blasio really screwed this up. He really took a shot at charter schools in favor of the other schools, the teachers unions and whatnot.

Cuomo called him out on that, New York State Governor Cuomo called him out, was going to pay for the charter schools to stay open.


BOLLING: And then De Blasio was painted into a corner.

So, what did de Blasio do? He goes to "Morning Joe", Joe and Mika, and he says, help me out of this bag I'm in right now. Water this down so I can work my way out of it, and they spend the first 10 minutes sloppy wet kisses with De Blasio before anyone asks a tough question. They finally get down to the charter schools, 10, 11 minutes in, and then he has nowhere to go.

He double talks these two people for a long time. And towards the end, they finally get to the point. Charter schools are outperforming regular schools in New York City in math and reading by a long shot.

So, Bill de Blasio, what are you going to do? At which point, he says I'll take a look at this.

So, what they're trying -- what MSNBC has done for him is let him out of the corner he painted himself in. And it was disgusting to see them do it --


PERINO: Can I get Greg in here?

GUILFOYLE: -- number one in math in the state.

PERINO: OK. I just want Greg to be able to say one thing in this segment.  So, I'll just turn it over to you.

GUTFELD: Big message here is once again, the greater good annihilates the present now. De Blasio as a militant left winger has harmed more children than measles and skateboards combined.

If you look at the idiocy also in not just De Blasio, who is an idiot, look at the New York voter who saw 20 years of prosperity, and instead of embracing those policies, they said, let's do the opposite. Essentially, it's like somebody getting cured of cancer and taking up smoking.

BECKEL: It's not as if they had candidates to vote for. Let's keep that in mind.

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Americans yearning to feel confident again?

Published Saturday, March 08, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Dana Perino , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five" March 7, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."


TANTAROS: Well, a lot of Americans are fed up with our government. They want to feel great about our country again.

Today, Rick Perry gave them a voice and some encouragement with this fiery speech at CPAC.


GOV. RICK PERRY, R-TEXAS: Get out of the health care business. Get out of the education business. Stop hammering industries. Let the sleeping giant of American enterprise create prosperity again.

My fellow conservatives, the future of this nation is upon you. It belongs to you.


TANTAROS: Well, there's a reason why America is the greatest country on Earth and it certainly isn't because of our government. It's because of the people.

Something this recent Cadillac ad masterfully reminded us of.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do we work so far? For what? For this? For stuff?

Other countries, they work, they stroll home, they stop by the cafe, they take August off. Off. Why aren't you like that? Why aren't we like that? Because we're crazy, driven, hardworking believers, that's why.

Those other countries think we're nuts. Whatever. Were the Wright brothers insane? Bill Gates? Les Paul? Ali?

But I digress. It's pretty simple. You work hard, you create your own luck, and you got to believe anything is possible.

As for all the stuff, that's the upside of only taking two weeks off in August.


TANTAROS: All right. It wasn't just that ad, Dana. There's been a growing trend where advertisers and businesses are choosing to put these pro-American ads out there. We talked about the Ram trucks "God made a farmer" ad from the last Super Bowl. There's Mike Rowe ads that are airing at Wal-Mart, which are very pro-business and work.

The ad companies must have figured out this is what people want.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: They do constant market research. Every single day, you get market research to find out what are your consumers going to want to buy, what is speaking to them, are their ads working, are they not working?

And so, to me, I think that they followed the market, followed the money, and they figured out that this is how they're going to attract more customers to their shops or to the showroom in order to buy new products.

TANTAROS: Eric, the left is going crazy over this Cadillac ad.

They're calling it American ugliness, and Rush Limbaugh, your buddy, reacted on radio today. Take a listen.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Oh, gee. Another Rush Limbaugh --


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: So here you have Cadillac and their ad agency. And what are they using to sell this thing? The American dream. The old adages. Hard work, success, climbing the ladder.

You just work hard and work hard and you don't think about vacations first. You think about your work. You find something you love. You go out and you do it.

And, yes, you require stuff. And there's nothing wrong with acquiring stuff. There's nothing wrong with improving their lifestyle.

And the left is just livid!


TANTAROS: Eric, what's wrong with acquiring stuff? Don't we all love stuff?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: No, that's what we -- that's what we're -- follow the money, thank you, Dana. Pro-capitalism, free markets, baby, that's what it's all about.

And Dana is right. The pendulum is swinging back to this patriotic American consumer who wants to buy stuff. I've got to tell you, that will probably play out in the 2014 elections.

Can I just point something out? That ad was perfect. That ad was amazing. I was gripped to that ad until the very end.

You know what happens at the end? He pulls the plug out of the electric Cadillac. I'm like, no, no. Let's go with gas-guzzling American pro-oil big car. That would have been perfect if they've done that.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: But you know why it's crazy? Because basically it's a Prius for men. It's basically said don't buy a Prius.

That's for the -- whoever.

TANTAROS: Maybe that was their nod to the left at the very end.


The commercial isn't the controversy. The controversy is that there's a controversy about saying this, that the message is somehow unique or unusual.

The ad's message is seen as shocking, then so should be good manners and proper hygiene. These are things that we grew up with, we lived with.

What's controversial really is that we live in a country that is run by a snide cabal that considers patriotism a form of cultural leprosy and exceptionalism is considered a disability. That's why this is shocking.

By the way, Neal McDonough is a great actor. If you watch "Justified", amazing villain.

TANTAROS: Bob, he probably had to keep his voice down, which looks like he's in his L.A. backyard so all the lefties in L.A. didn't hear him filming that commercial.

BECKEL: That's true. Well, first of all, let me just say -- in case you miss Rush Limbaugh's radio program, you could watch "The Five," because we have him on so much. You won't miss anything.


BECKEL: There's nobody else to put on to talk about this. The other thing is that Cadillac commercial, that guy -- anybody who watches "Justified", that's the dude who got his hand cleaved off -- sorry. My phone, that's a good old American patriotic phone.

TANTAROS: Your phone shut off all day.

GUTFELD: It's made in China.

BECKEL: Probably is made in China. But the other thing about this that is amazing to me, you look at those Wal-Mart ads. We're not going to show that, right? I'm trying to turn the damn thing off.


BECKEL: So here's the thing. Walmart runs an ad showing American workers at work with hard hats. This is the company responsible for shutting down more manufacturing in this country and sending it to China than any other company in the history of this country.

GUTFELD: They employ more Americans than any company.

BECKEL: Not in those kind of jobs, they don't. You take those jobs -


GUTFELD: What's wrong with those jobs?

BECKEL: They're in China.

GUTFELD: No, that's not --

PERINO: That's not true.


BECKEL: Wal-Mart.

BOLLING: Bob, there's almost 2 million workers in America, 1.6 million American workers.

BECKEL: They sell stuff that's made in China.

BOLLING: You know why? Because the minimum wage laws.

BECKEL: The unions.

BOLLING: No, the minimum wage laws. The jobs you're so concerned about right now, they go to places like China.


TANTAROS: But, Greg, isn't it multiculturalism versus patriotism.

So, we talked about the Coca-Cola ad which was also controversial, because it seemed like it was trying to appease all cultures rather than maybe a little bit more pro-American.

GUTFELD: Yes, we talked about this. A consequence of identity politics which is, sorry, Bob, driven by the media and royalty on campus is to fracture a country into slivers of angry victimhood. And I think maybe

-- maybe this is an encouraging sign that these slivers are coming together under the new umbrella of patriotism. That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think if the liberals wanted the commercial to be made, it would be buy this car but only if you think you're no better than anyone else.

TANTAROS: Well, the ad was playing on "Good Morning America." And, Dana, they did not know at the table, "Good Morning America" desk, how to even react to this type of patriotism. Watch this and I'll get you to react.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's wrong with taking more than two weeks off?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you're made to be feeling guilty because you're not working hard. That's ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You didn't take your vacation days. Sad.


TANTAROS: None of those people at that dev got to where they are today with the European -- and I can say this, even the Mediterranean work mentality.

PERINO: So, I would love to take two weeks off but it's not going to happen. That's not when I am because I would rather be here with all of you.

GUTFELD: And what would you do?

PERINO: I would go to Africa and help young people. And the thing --


GUTFELD: That was my answer.

PERINO: -- about the Cadillac piece --

TANTAROS: Different kind of help.

PERINO: I just know that if I want to have a Cadillac, I'm going to have to work really hard for it. I'm going to budget appropriately, and I actually think that on the electronic piece of it, that is kind of where the market is going. People like the idea, new consumers that are able to actually afford a Cadillac now, want to have that kind of environmental responsibility on -- as part of a product that they would buy.

So I would love to have the two weeks off. I would also love to have a Cadillac. That can't necessarily happen in the same timeframe.

BECKEL: You're talking about some people are frozen in the '50s who don't want the electric cars --


BOLLING: You just pointed your finger at me.

BECKEL: OK, fine.

BOLLING: I like the idea of an electric car.


BOLLING: The problem is we can't make an electric car. GM, we're incapable of doing it. Toyota is close, but we can't do it.

These crap cars we're putting out, I'm just telling you, we don't have the technology. The battery is this fat all the way up to the middle of the car.


BECKEL: This is an ad for General Motors, the company saved by Barack Obama, the American car company. That's good.

And by the way, last month, 175,000 jobs were added to the Obama recovery. Take that one.

PERINO: How many people were long-term unemployed in that report?

BECKEL: It came way down. Instead of going up, spending went up.

Numbers are all in the right direction.

BOLLING: Wait, wait, wait --

PERINO: That's not the case.

BOLLING: You can't just throw that out there. It's incorrect. Yes, we have 175,000 jobs created in an economy that should be creating about

350,000 per month.

GUTFELD: And unemployment went up.

BOLLING: The unemployment -- the rate went up, and this, the structurally unemployed is elevated, Bob. The labor force is so minute, it's the smallest it's been in 40 years. Not getting one iota bigger.

BECKEL: Fewer people working part-time jobs as they were, and you guys were all saying because of Obamacare --

PERINO: Oh, my God.


TANTAROS: Bob, more people are at temp agencies than ever.

BECKEL: Excuse me, less than 40 hour a week jobs went down.


BECKEL: Because Obamacare helped.

PERINO: Why is that the case? Less than 40 hours a week? Because of ObamaCare.

BECKEL: No, no, because you guys --

TANTAROS: Because of Obamacare, Bob.

BECKEL: I said they went down.

BOLLING: The labor force is at its lowest percentage in 40 years.

BECKEL: I know you guys probably don't do this because it has something to do with pro-Obama, but could you guys in the break give me facts about what happened to the part-time work.

BOLLING: Please? Let's do that. That would be fine.

TANTAROS: Bob, why did the White House have to change the formula to calculate the unemployment rate? Why do they have to do that?

BECKEL: Why not?


TANTAROS: I rest my case. They're telling me to go.

On that note, much more to come on "The Five," including our Facebook free-for-all. Send in your questions for us to answer right now at You may even have them answered on air.

Up next, the growing outrage over the decision by New York City's mayor to ax charter schools from city space that have helped a lot of disadvantaged kids succeed. Details on that when we return.


PERINO: One of the most powerful Democrats in the country has officially declared war on charter schools. New York City Mayor de Blasio, bill de Blasio eliminated funding for three of those schools last month. A move that left nearly 200 Harlem children educationally homeless.

How do the parents of these displaced children feel? Well, take a look at the ads running in New York City.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love charter schools but the fact is I need the help. I was brought up in the era where you were told it takes a village to raise a child. This is my village.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need charter schools to continue to keep on going. They're doing a great job for my kid and for thousands of parents'

other kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As regular students, we're going to give you the greatest education. We need these politicians to keep our schools open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I voted for de Blasio, but I didn't vote for you to take my child's future.


PERINO: All right. Andrea, I'm going to start with you, New York politics expert.

This -- Bill de Blasio said he was going to do this. In some ways, you might say, well, he won by 85 percent of the vote, even though the participation rate was low, so maybe did these parents kind of end up with the government that they chose?

TANTAROS: I don't think they know what they were voting for because these charter schools in New York City have over 90 percent minority students, over 70 percent low-income students.

And this is not an issue that's limited to New York City. This is why this matters. This is a national issue because progressivism is back. We thought that Bill Clinton killed it. Bill Clinton, to his credit, was a proponent of charter schools, but the progressive wing has come back in a big way in New York City with Bill de Blasio.

And this exposes them for what they are, the way they're going after the charter schools, which are excellent, by the way. The progressives are not about making people's lives better. They're about making people's lives equally terrible. OK? They're doing it one school at a time and one child at a time.

And Eva Moskowitz, who has these schools in New York, she's a Democrat, you know her philosophy is -- kids first, unions, you can wait in the back. That's not Bill de Blasio's and that's not this wing of the Democratic Party.

BECKEL: We go out at night with nets and look for a little poor kid, and we take them --


PERINO: -- are very powerful, and they have been running -- I watched some local news and local programs. And so, I have been seeing these ads, and it's actually becoming a national issue for the Democrats. Bill de Blasio is down to 39 percent approval already.

BECKEL: Yes, I would -- by the way, I wouldn't call him one of the most powerful Democrats in the country. He's the most powerful in New York, maybe.

But, listen, this is going to shock you a bit. I think he's wrong. I think he's kowtowing to the teachers unions. There's no fiscal reason to do this. There's every reason -- because, look, the standard test scores are 85 percent to 90 percent for the kids in the schools versus something like 9 percent in the schools they're going to have to go to.

So, when you find the situation, when they're bad schools, charter schools need to be the alternative. And my friends in the teachers union, who I've been friends with for a long time, you've got to give it up.

PERINO: Why not find a way, Eric, from a business perspective if you're the mayor, find a way that's working like that and expand it rather than shut it down.

BOLLING: Bob is right. He's going directly back to the people who voted for him and probably financed his campaign and said, you know what, I'm going to push back on these charter schools because I owe you, unions.

Hat tip back to you, teachers unions, especially.

But, Bob, listen to what you said. You said if it's working, if the charter schools are outperforming the public schools, then maybe we should look at it.

Guess what? They're outperforming charter schools -- charter schools are outperforming the public schools.


BECKEL: My only problem with charter schools is they're expanded out to places where they do have a good public school education program in the suburbs in a lot city --

BOLLING: So, then what? So then what? So, don't do it there even though a charter school would outperform a public school even in the suburbs?

BECKEL: But they've got private schools.

BOLLING: That's not the issue.

TANTAROS: They're co-located in New York City. They have a floor of a charter school and the next school is public school. They're co-located and they get the money from Wall Street.

Why wouldn't we want Wall Street money?

BECKEL: Because they made all that money in the --


TANTAROS: They should pay for education.

PERINO: I'm going to add one thing and I'm going to go to a sound bite and get Greg's take, which is that tens of thousands, over 50,000 students, are on a waiting list to go to charter schools in New York City because as the parents are saying, they want a choice.

Greg, I want you to talk about the fight between Bill de Blasio and governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, who basically has said I'm taking the other side of this and he's pretty fierce about it. Let's watch them both.


GOV. ANDREW CUOMO, D-N.Y.: The education industry, I said the same thing for decades. More money, more money, more money, and it will change. We spend more money per pupil than any state in the nation. We're number 32 in results.

It's not just about putting more money in the public school system.

It's trying something new, and that's what charter schools are all about.


PERINO: All right, he likes this development. Tell us why.

GUTFELD: Well, it's interesting. Should Mr. Cuomo ask himself to leave New York City or New York since he said New York had no room for conservatives, he just became one through an act of common sense.

The greater issue is why did the greatest city in the world under two decades of incredible strength and leadership, hand power over to an abject moron? It's like building a beautiful jumbo jet and choosing a pogo stick as its pilot.

De Blasio is a left wing lurch. This is affecting 70,000 kids. He's harming more children than lawn darts and Freddy Krueger combined. And the key -- the reason is they're not his kids.

This reflects every liberal politician who kills school choice while sending their brats to private schools.

BECKEL: He's only been in office for a couple months. You probably could give him a little slack --


TANTAROS: He's evil.


TANTAROS: He's evil. This progressivism is evil because it's about money and power. You know what the school chancellor said. The chancellor came out and she said these kids are on their own.

BECKEL: You know where the evil cell is, it's the CPAC in Washington.

BOLLING: Let's just stay on this for just one second.

GUTFELD: Detour.

BOLLING: Cuomo doing this -- clearly, here's what he did -- he took de Blasio. He realized de Blasio was on the ropes in a corner, and what Andrew Cuomo did was smart. This is going -- this is going to be my first venture towards the 2016 presidential run. I'm going to distance myself from the far left wing of the party. I'm going to go a little centrist.

Here's a great opportunity. Boy, was that smart.

BECKEL: I think that was right. Let's keep in mind, charter schools were started in North Carolina by a Democratic governor. Democrats -- there's a lot of Democrats who are progressives who favor charter schools and vouchers.


TANTAROS: Bob, this is a war in the Democratic Party. Andrew Cuomo is part of the Clinton base --

BECKEL: Yes, but you guys said all --

TANTAROS: Can I finish, please?


TANTAROS: No, I gave Bill Clinton. Cuomo is part of the Bill Clinton camp. De Blasio is a wing of the progressive camp.

Cuomo is up for re-election this year, so he's very smart. He's thinking now before 2016.

I just don't -- you guys must be fighting it out in the Democratic Party.

BECKEL: Not --

TANTAROS: Progressives versus the Clinton camp.

BECKEL: Because you're down into the cages.

TANTAROS: Don't bring up Republicans.

GUTFELD: Can you show that picture of the children again? The kids that are being affected. There was a nice mosaic of the kids.

BECKEL: Yes, Greg's in there. See if you can pick out Greg.

GUTFELD: This was an issue in which the left were attacking the right, this would be a deck of race cards.

TANTAROS: Oh, yes.

PERINO: This is the 194 students affected by the shutting down. The reason I think it's a national issue is even in D.C., where President Obama decided not to expand the D.C. voucher program, you have pitted the parents against the Democrats. And so, we have a national issue.

Bob, real quick, is Cuomo a vice presidential possibility for Clinton?

BECKEL: I don't think -- being vice president to being governor of New York is sort of a step down. I think what he's banking on, and I think he's probably right.

You know, you saw it yesterday. Bernie Sanders, the senator from Vermont, put his toe in the water little bit. Nobody is going to let Hillary Clinton run by herself on this. If she stumbled, if Cuomo is in the race, he'll have enough money to stay in the race, he might pick it up.

PERINO: So, he's smart.

GUTFELD: Jerry Brown. Jerry Brown.

BECKEL: Whoa, Jerry.

PERINO: OK, next, the uproar in the Muslim world over the upcoming biblical film, Noah. Plus, the uproar by atheists over that cross-shaped beam found at ground zero. And then, our Facebook free-for-all, next.


BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody, to the seven fastest minutes, three seducing stories, seven swift minutes and one spirited host.

Today -- atheists, Muslims, and weed.

First up, should pot ads be allowed to run on television? Check out this ad that will air on Comcast cable. The ad they claim promotes safe smoking of medicinal marijuana.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yo, you want sushi? I got sushi. I got the best sushi. This area is dry, man. You know that, I know that.

Ain't nobody selling but me, I got tuna, I got salmon, I got sweet shrimp. The finest sashimi this area has seen in years. I got everything, even California rolls, baby.

ANNOUNCER: You wouldn't buy your sushi from this guy. So why would you buy your marijuana from him?


BOLLING: Weed ads are scheduled to air on AMC, Bravo, the Food Network and Comedy Central. I understand the target market for a couple of those Comedy central and the Food Network. But there is not so much.

Interesting ad.

PERINO: He must smell terrible, that jacket.

BOLLING: You get the point?

PERINO: I got it. I got it.

BOLLING: All right. What do you think of it?

PERINO: Not persuasive to me because fortunately, I don't have an illness where I need marijuana, unless it helped chronic dry eye, which I'd be very interested.


PERINO: But the ads that worked on me were the ads, the PSAs, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs. I truly believe that's what would happen to my brain.

BECKEL: I can believe it to be true because I'm here and I can speak for it.

TANTAROS: You're exhibit A.

BOLLING: What do you think of these ads, though?

BECKEL: I think it's bad. I think that very much -- you know, you're not allowed to advertise for alcohol. You can do beer. I don't think --

GUTFELD: You can do liquor now.

BECKEL: No, not liquor.

BOLLING: You can't do cigarettes.

BECKEL: But the point is I think the idea of going out and advertising for marijuana. Even Greg is in favor of legalizing it. I used to be. I'm not now because it's so powerful. I think it's a bad thing for kids.

BOLLING: You can -- you can advertise for liquor. You just can't be actually drinking it.

GUTFELD: Right. Yes, that's actually --

BECKEL: Have you ever seen any vodka?


GUTFELD: Yes. Tequila ads.

But what you're talking about is interesting. The problem with modern advertising is they have abandoned subtlety and the code words. When I was a kid, running on a beach in white pants meant a feminine hygiene product, but I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

BECKEL: You kept your white pants on.

GUTFELD: No, but that's the why ads worked is that they didn't tell you what it was about. Now, every ad tells you about erectile dysfunction.

I don't even know --

PERINO: They put it out there.

GUTFELD: Incontinence, sex, sex, now we say exactly what it is. I'm from the good old days when I have no idea what they were selling to me.

TANTAROS: Like the cartoon camel smoking the cigarettes. They were selling --


BOLLING: They had to pull away (ph).

Ands, you thoughts on whether weed should be able to be advertised on TV, even if it's safe smoking?

TANTAROS: No, I think there's a free market, but there's also the smart market.

I don't think people who want to get their weed need help. They don't need advertisements. They know exactly where to get it.

And, two, I think they shouldn't advertise at all because it will cause a backlash.

BOLLING: We got to move very quickly. Moving from smoking weed to smoking hot mad. Here's a heated exchange between our own Megyn Kelly and some moronic atheist who claimed a cross that formed when the World Trade Center fell was causing atheists headaches.


MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Is it a little disingenuous to claim atheists in your group are suffering dyspepsia and headaches as a result of seeing the cross included in the museum?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, 9/11 was --

KELLY: That's not disingenuous, that's true? What is dyspepsia?

What happens when they see it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our plaintiffs went through a lot on that day, as many other people did. For them, for that religious attack to be compounded by religious discrimination by our World Trade Center memorial, I'm not surprised they're suffering symptoms.


KELLY: But walk me through. When they see the cross?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not about seeing the cross. It's about the exclusion of everyone else. It's not about looking at a cross, Megyn.


BOLLING: Now, from experience, that cross gave a lot of people a lot of hope.

Ands, your thoughts on this?

TANTAROS: I have dyspepsia and headaches from watching that clip.


TANTAROS: I wonder if I'd qualify for medical marijuana.  They're

doing this to be annoying. If they really meant what they said, they would go after the museums in New York that have religious art, but they don't.

This is a legitimate piece that's part of the 9/11 memorial. It's not like an artist painted it and contributed it.

They're just doing this to be completely annoying. They're annoying people.

BECKEL: He needs -- this guy needs -- remember the exorcist. He needs an exorcism for the cross.

PERINO: Oh, boy.

BECKEL: This guy is -- by the way, this guy probably could use some of those ads that Greg didn't like so he could get harder in his thinking, but the point here is that, you know, atheists have -- I feel a little bit sorry for atheists. They are the hardest -- they're the hardest thing to describe. They just can't do it. It's wrong.

BOLLING: Why keep saying hard?

BECKEL: Why am I saying hard? You have a problem with that?

BOLLING: No, no, no.


BOLLING: Let's move on.

Dana, again, more intolerance by intolerant people who claim to be tolerant or whatever.

PERINO: Yes. I think that the World Trade Center should be off limits from the nonsense, and I understand that they've got a lot of issues and they bring up a lot of lawsuits. But I think on this one, let this one go.

GUTFELD: You know, I have a lot of respect for atheists because they're in the minority here and they deserve to be heard. But they don't do themselves any favors chasing insidiously stupid outrages, which is this is one. And I also have to ask, would you ever challenge Islam if it was an Islamic symbol or anything like that? They're complaining about this, but they don't complain about the anti-Mohammad filmmaker who's in jail.

They should complain about that.

BOLLING: Very good transition from the World Trade Center to the Muslims who seem to have intolerance for everything but their way of thinking. Here Egyptian censors want the film "Noah" to be kept away from Egyptian movie theaters because they claim the film is, quote, "irreligious".


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you want?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's nothing for you here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have men at my back. You stand alone and defy me?



BOLLING: Egypt has also banned "The Passion of Christ" and "The Da Vinci Code" for similar reasons. More Muslim intolerance, huh, Bob?

BECKEL: When does it ever end? But, listen, these are supposedly secular states that are doing this, and that means that you ought to be able to put something on in the movie theater that is not under Sharia law.

I think Sharia law is a waste of time anybody and it's a goof. And it was handed down in a bad book.

But leaving that aside, I got my fatwa yet? Fatwa this.

BOLLING: OK, very good.

Greg --

GUTFELD: I'm just trying to figure out what is not an affront to Islam. They should put out a book of everything that offends them. I think they already have one. It's called the Encyclopedia Britannica, because every single thing offends them.

This religion -- religion shouldn't have such low self-esteem. You should be confident that your faith can welcome skepticism or welcome other faiths. It seems kind of insecure.

PERINO: That was mine point. I said that they don't trust their people --

GUTFELD: I was looking at their notes and I stole them.

PERINO: You did say it better than I did. I agree.


PERINO: I'm good.

BOLLING: With what he said?


BOLLING: All right. How about you, Ands?

TANTAROS: I agree with Greg. A smiley face is an affront to Islam.

A painting of Bob Beckel is an affront to Islam. I do think we should start selling "fatwa this" t-shirts on "The Five's" website.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: Islam is the most intolerant religion in the world and --

BOLLING: With Bob's picture on it?


BOLLING: Fatwa this?

TANTAROS: I would like to get in on that --

BECKEL: One thing they should ban in the Muslim countries is Viagra because that way --

PERINO: Bob --

TANTAROS: They turn on people who turn on Islam and kill them, even worse than people who aren't Islamic in the first place.

BOLLING: All right. We need to go --

GUTFELD: I would like to apologize for bringing up the commercial and


BOLLING: And derailing the second half of the show.

GUTFELD: I didn't see that happening.

BOLLING: Ahead, your burning questions answered in our Facebook Friday free-for-all. That's coming up next.


GUTFELD: Are you ready? It's time for our Facebook free-for-all, back by popular demand. Keep sending your questions to

Now, we're going to answer them. The questions are, in order, for Eric from Melissa C. This is a great question.

Are you going to run for any office between now and the 2020 president election?

BOLLING: Any office.

GUTFELD: Any office.

BOLLING: Because it's (INAUDIBLE) EB2016, is that where that comes from?

GUTFELD: I'm sure.

BECKEL: Dogcatcher.

BOLLING: It depends. That's a long time. Six years to figure it out?


BOLLING: Oh, no.

GUTFELD: Where would you run? In New Jersey.

BOLLING: For what?

GUTFELD: Senate, Congress. What else do they have there? Governors?

PERINO: Dogcatchers.

BOLLING: Dogcatcher.

GUTFELD: He's evading the question. Have it shown in the record.

Andrea, what's your favorite movie of all time? And leave out the X's.

TANTAROS: Gosh, I don't know. "Legally Blonde."

GUTFELD: Really? That's a good movie. Reese Witherspoon?


GUTFELD: Excellent film. I liked her better in "Election," though, I must say.

TANTAROS: Oh, no, "Election" is awesome. See, I can't make up my mind.

BECKEL: I like "Silence of the Lambs".

GUTFELD: We never knew that, Bob, because you like movies about food.

Dana, what is your favorite book of all time?

PERINO: "The Joy of Hate" by Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: You know, you can still get that in paperback. No, no --

PERINO: I have lots of -- I have a pretty voracious reader.

GUTFELD: That means you read a lot.

PERINO: My favorite book of the last year was Charles Krauthammer's book, "Things That Matter." I thought it was excellent, and I did work on it. Just for full disclosure thing, but I thought that that was great.

I'm sure "Not Cool" will be on my list next year.

GUTFELD: I'd better be.

Bob, what happened to your swear jar?

BECKEL: Well, since I have not sworn much since they put a delay switch in here, and you may have noticed as you were watching the show, they delayed one of our segments because our executive producer became a wuss, and I said sit, not what he thought I said.

But no, I'm learning, you know? Even an old dog can learn old tricks.

GUTFELD: Well, that's good.

PERINO: New tricks?

BECKEL: New tricks.

GUTFELD: You're a fan of any trick. Sorry.

BECKEL: Probably two or three.

GUTFELD: OK, I apologize. Why do I do it?

BOLLING: Right back to it.


This is for me. Greg, what is your workout regimen and do you follow a strict diet?

TANTAROS: Good question.

GUTFELD: Yes. I do four hours of donkey calf raises shirtless. And instead of weights, I lose the body resistance of anybody I happen to meet and a shelter.

Now, I go on a stair climber, and I write my notes for the show. And I do like 50 minutes of weight, and I do the Atkins diet, even though I know that it's supposed to be not so great. It makes you lose weight.

BECKEL: And you drink a lot of wine.

GUTFELD: I drink a lot of wine which is good for the heart.

TANTAROS: You're allowed that on Atkins?

GUTFELD: I don't think so.

It's called a Gutfeld diet.

PERINO: No, it's considered -- that's fruit. Wine.

GUTFELD: Exactly, it is fruit. That's true. Well done, Dana.

Eric, this is from Victoria N. What are your favorite Friday dinner menus during Lent?

BOLLING: Wow. I guess pasta. Sushi. I adore sushi. I tell my wife, in fact, for Christmas, that's what she gave me. She gave five sushi dinners in a row. I didn't get any of them yet. I think I got one.

BECKEL: You can't eat fish during Lent?

BOLLING: You're supposed to eat fish.

GUTFELD: My mom forced us to eat frozen fish sticks.

BECKEL: That's what we have every Friday in public school because of all the Catholics.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's horrible.

BOLLING: Can I just point out, Dana still thinks she's going to get me to eat meat before the end of the year.

PERINO: A goal of mine. I'm asking for the cattle association for help.

GUTFELD: Send a cow.

BECKEL: That's already happened but go ahead.

GUTFELD: Andrea, how many Rush concerts have you attended? How many albums of theirs do you have? Would you consider accompanying me to Tahiti?

This is from K. Rove? No, John S.?




TANTAROS: Two. All of them, and yes.

GUTFELD: Interesting. John, send me your e-mail. We're working it out.


TANTAROS: Yes, I'll go to Tahiti.

GUTFELD: Dana, this is from Georgia H. Do you miss the West? From a small town Wyoming girl, happy face.

PERINO: Oh, I love the happy face, thank you.

Yes, I do miss the West a lot. And I think about small town America a lot. Especially when I'm on a subway platform waiting three times for a train to go by so I can actually get on one.

But I like small towns, but I like cities. I like the beaches. I like mountains.

TANTAROS: You like it all.

GUTFELD: The only thing you don't like are mean people.

PERINO: I don't like mean people.

GUTFELD: She likes fireplaces and walks on the beach.

Bob --


GUTFELD: This is from Steve B. If Dana went on vacation for a week, would you volunteer to dog-sit Jasper?

BECKEL: Not on your life.

PERINO: They should ask me that question. Would I let Jasper stay with him?

BECKEL: I would -- if Jasper and I were babysitting Jasper for a week, I would take Jasper to a pound and pay the money to have him stay there.

GUTFELD: Oh, God, I thought you were going to say something else.


BECKEL: One of those places, New York, they put $150,000 a week to put a dumb dog in.

GUTFELD: It's a doggy hotel.

BECKEL: I wish they would stop the dogs in New York. All they do is crap everywhere. It's terrible, especially on the frozen ground.


GUTFELD: That's -- yes, OK.

Anyway, for me from Angel M. Greg, what do you do when you aren't on TV?

I think I got this last time. It's the same question.

What do I do? I do nothing. I do -- I have no hobbies.

PERINO: Let me answer for you.


PERINO: You write.


PERINO: You drink a lot of wine.


PERINO: You hang out with your wife.


TANTAROS: You go to the gym.

PERINO: And you watch "Justified" and "House of Cards."

GUTFELD: You left out the charity work that I don't do.

PERINO: Right.

TANTAROS: And the art films.

GUTFELD: Yes, and the art films currently displayed in Berlin.

BECKEL: Is there one for all of us?

GUTFELD: Yes, and I go around the table.

It's National Cereal Day. What was the breakfast you grew up on and what did you have today?

TANTAROS: Honeycomb and Froot Loops. Yogurt today.

BECKEL: Cheerios. Cheerios, Cheerios, because Annette Funicello was the one who advertised it.

GUTFELD: I never liked Cheerios, because the people in my class always had Cheerio breath.

PERINO: That -- it's a bad smell.

GUTFELD: Cheerio breath. It's like OT...

BECKEL: I've got to sit next to your wine breath. I mean -- go ahead.

BOLLING: Cap'n Crunch with crunch berries and now just coffee.


PERINO: I love Cap'n Crunch. This is a very difficult...


PERINO: ... question for me, because I loved all of it. Lucky Charms, Corn Pops, Sugar Bear, oatmeal.

GUTFELD: Sugar -- Sugar Bears smelled like skunks. That sweet, gross smell.

They're telling me to go.

PERINO: Fruity Puffs.

GUTFELD: Sugar Puffs. I like, and I bet nobody is going to remember this, Quisp. Does anybody remember Quisp?

BOLLING: Brian Kilmeade -- you know this?


BOLLING: Brian Kilmeade grew up on it. No one heard of it, and Quisp sent him a box of Quisp cereal this week.

GUTFELD: I remember Quisp. They used to have a cereal rivalries, Quisp versus King Vitamin or something. But it's all Cap'n Crunch.

BECKEL: Cap'n Crunch is always the lion.

PERINO: Frosted Flakes.

BECKEL: Frosted Flakes, yes.

PERINO: I like the tiger, though, not a lion.

GUTFELD: It was a lot of sugar. All right. Why am I talking?

Because it's National Unplugging Day. That's next. Could you live a day without your BlackBerry or cell phone? Bob? Well, stay tuned.


BECKEL: Excuse me. In this day and age -- this day of texting and twittering, which is what is happening around this table right now, and talking on our cell phones, we have a tenancy to disconnect from one other by burying ourselves in our devices. So today is digital (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is National Unplug Day.

TANTAROS: You're a sicko.

BECKEL: OK. I'm going to -- I'll start this thing, because as usual we've got about a minute for my segment. I actually only use this phone twice today for business. I unplugged, and I'm glad I did it. It was a peaceful day.

TANTAROS: You unplugged until the show started and then...

BECKEL: No, no, no. That was my bookie who called. But that -- I forgot to turn down the earphone.

GUTFELD: Can we just point out something obvious, that you were smoking an electric cigar, so you are on an electrical device right now?

You know that?

BECKEL: I hadn't thought about that. I will let you -- did you get away with that?

BOLLING: NO. Not only that, I have to recharge halfway through the day both of my phones. That's how -- I spend way too much time on it. I agree. It's an addiction. I can't give it up, though.

PERINO: I think that if they want to have a day like this, they need to do it on, like, the first Saturday of the month or something like that, because you can't work and be productive any more without it. Besides, Twitter and Facebook could not live a day without photographs of Jasper, so I sacrifice. I sacrifice.

BECKEL: All right. Greg, what do you think? Can you detach?

GUTFELD: OK. The great thing is that you chose to detach, which is easy for you, because you never respond to anybody. You don't read your e- mails; you don't read Twitter. You giving up technology is like a stripper giving up clothes.

BOLLING: That was one of the funniest e-mails today, too. Bob sent out an e-mail today, saying, "I'm off the grid." And Greg sent an e-mail back to everyone going, "And this is different how?"


BECKEL: Very funny. Go ahead.

TANTAROS: I love it when Porter, our producer, says who wants to volunteer to give up their electronic device. And the next e-mail he sends is, "Andrea, call me." I'll do it tomorrow. I unplug on the weekends.

BECKEL: He knows about Twitter. He can never do two things at one time. He reads that thing when you're trying to talk to him. Of course, then again, I took you to dinner one night, and that's what you did. Your head buried.

PERINO: You need to be a more interesting guest or host.


BECKEL: All right. Nice talking to you. "One More Thing" is up next.


TANTAROS: Time now for "One More Thing" -- Greg.

GUTFELD: It's time for...


GUTFELD: I hate these people!


GUTFELD: Not like I really, really hate these people, but when you're flying and people start crowding the entrance to the gate as they're boarding, you've got to relax. You've got to wait for your zone. That's why they call zones. And I know it's not your fault, because I know the airlines are so hard on baggage that everybody is freaking out, trying to get their bags up on the -- what do you call that?

PERINO: Overhead.

GUTFELD: It's turning into "Lord of the Flies." People are like eating each other. Enough. The gate agent has to take control of this.

Have everybody sit down. And everybody just be patient. Take some valium.

BECKEL: You know which people I hate? I hate those first-class snobs that keep bowling me over, trying to get in.

PERINO: They get irritated about the gate.

BECKEL: You're trying to get back there, is that right? OK. Moving on.

PERINO: OK. Speaking of travel, you went yesterday to the Leadership Institute in Colorado. And I just want to show this picture, because Greg met up with my -- let's see, my dad and my sister. Greg, and then their friend Nicole, Angie's friend Nicole was there. They are huge fans of Greg. And I would appreciate you mentioning them in the speech...


PERINO: ... and also saying that Jasper is Dick Morris in a fur coat.

I heard about that.

BECKEL: Where did you get a tie?

TANTAROS: I love the Leadership Institute. You helped me speak there last year.

BOLLING: Yes. That's a fun place.

BECKEL: Why don't you get some shirts and you can button them and tie.

GUTFELD: Because I gained weight, and they don't.

BECKEL: I'm sorry. Sorry to ask that personal...

TANTAROS: It's the drinking on Atkins.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

TANTAROS: OK. I'm up next. So if you saw this article in, one kid alleges that he lost his father to the hysteria of the Fox News Channel. He said that old white people are drowning in despair and rage.

He says that his father lost his mind thanks to Fox News.

Well, I reached out to the dad, and the dad said his son used to be a Republican, but he lost his son to the liberal academia. Take a listen.


GARY LYNGAR, FATHER: I remember when he first started, he kind of laughed at some of the way they thought, you know? But more and more as he got into it, you know, I guess he just changed.

TANTAROS: So you could argue, then -- right, Gary? -- "I lost my son to a raging liberal academia, right?

LYNGAR: Exactly. That's what I feel.


TANTAROS: That video on in a new series called "Trending." And it's just online. Digital video. So there you go.

Next up, Roberto.

BECKEL: Bet you won't have many liberals on that "Trending" thing.

All right. You all know Willard Scott, the guy on "Today Show" that wishes everybody happy birthday. This is his latest birthday wish to a junior citizen from down in North Carolina. We got that?


WILLARD SCOTT, NBC'S "THE TODAY SHOW": Happy birthday from Smucker's.

Take a look. Elizabeth Woodard, Windsor, North Carolina, 104. Roma Leuthold, I love that name. That's a good name in a nursing home, 100 years old today. Portland. Great state of Oregon. Prettiest state in the country. Beautiful.


BECKEL: Willard sounds like he forgot to put this teeth in. The -- I used to listen to the news in local Washington. He's a good guy; he really is a nice fellow.

PERINO: I love Willard Scott.

BECKEL: He's 80 years old himself today. Eighty.

TANTAROS: You insult the men and then say he's a good guy and wish him a happy birthday. He needs to put his teeth in, happy birthday.


BECKEL: He's mumbling.


BOLLING: All right. Very quickly, tomorrow morning, "Cashin' In," we're going to talk about the entitlement mentality that's ruining our children, going from pajama boy to the -- you know, the chick in New Jersey who wants to sue her parents. It goes on and on. The liberal left is ruining our children.

And also Harry Reid, the unions; 55,000 union workers about to walk off the job in Nevada. Harry Reid.

By the way, #cashinin trending six weeks in a row. Do it one more week, next week, please.

PERINO: And then we get what?


TANTAROS: Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here on Monday. Have a great weekend, everyone. "Special Report" is next.

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Does Obama care more about entitlements than US military?

Published Tuesday, February 25, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Dana Perino , Eric Bolling , Bob Beckel , Brian Kilmeade

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 25, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."


TANTAROS: So, does the commander-in-chief care more about entitlements than our military?

The Pentagon announced yesterday it wants to shrink our Army down to its smallest size since World War II as part of an effort to cut costs. The decision did not go over very well with former V.P. Dick Cheney.


RICHARD CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: Obviously, I have been a strong supporter of Barack Obama, but this really is over the top. There's enormous long term damage to the military. He would much rather spend money on food tamps than a strong military or support for our troops.


TANTAROS: All right. So, Dana, it does appear that President Obama is getting what we talked about yesterday, a long term goal was to shrink down our defense and expand the welfare state.

Here's my question. What do you think the American people care about most, the military or the welfare state?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, I think there's competing priorities, and that American people elect leaders to represent them and that this isn't necessarily what America would want. Of course, it's not easy to make cuts in any regard, and in fact, they did some military cuts to pension growth in the future, just in December. Two months later, the Congress restored those cuts. So, it's very difficult to do any sort of cutting.

I do think that Jay Nordlinger of National Review wrote a great piece today about President Obama's goal to shrink the military overall. And that he wanted a Republican secretary of defense to oversee that draw down as cover for his upcoming budget, which does definitely expand not just the welfare state, but spending on lots of different things, domestic programs. The priority, I think should be -- I'm always for more defense, I understand there could be cuts here and there, and there's waste, fraud, and as Bob has pointed, some of the programs needed to be pulled back and some of the equipment.

But I'm for a stronger defense. I think America constantly has to relearn the lesson and I don't want to do it again in the future.

TANTAROS: Very good point.

Eric, General Odierno, the Army's chief of staff, he came out and he said this soldier level would be absolutely way too small. He also said that we'd be at high risk to meet one major war.

Isn't the best way to prevent war to keep the strongest military?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I do, and this may surprise a lot of people, but I'm OK with this. I'm OK with a troop drawdown. I don't like the fact we're not becoming -- draw them down. Listen, we don't want to be boots in the ground in other countries anymore. We want to defend our soil, American interest abroad and here.

But let's do it smarter. Let's do it with drones, with air -- with the Air Force. Let's do it with submarines. I'm -- I think this is actually probably a smart thing to do.

My only problem is when you dig farther into what they're proposing is they're saying, freeze admiral and generals' pay. Slow down housing allowances at all levels of the military. Increase contributions for some former -- no longer active marines and other military service people.

So, in other words, it's going to cost you more if you're an ex- service person for health care, but if you're, you know, you're a kid sitting on your parents' couch, we're going to subsidize that.

So, let's make our military smarter, stronger, and we could do it with fewer actual troops.

TANTAROS: So balance the budget on the backs of those who have served and who have suffered.

Bob, I try to hold this together before you explode, and I want you to answer this honestly. The language that the president used when he explained the cuts and the language that Secretary Hagel used, he played into a little bit -- that war fatigue when he was talking about permanent war. I think he did this because even some libertarians may agree that this is a good idea.

So, it was interesting the way they phrased it as a lot of people would agree, we don't want a permanent war, all this democracy promotion.

Is that what they're trying to do here?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: And for good reason. We have been at war long enough. And we keep going over. And we're the policemen of the world.

We no longer need a 600-fleet Navy. We do not need to cover -- listen, one of the things, we've got 1,000 generals and admirals. There ain't no boats for the admirals so they sit there and draw pictures of things and do -- you know, I mean, it's an enormous waste of money over there.

They have tanks. The Congress forced tanks. They didn't want tanks presumably. The last great tank battle was Patton in the Second World War.

PERINO: But, Bob, that's not what we're talking about there. He's talking about cutting payments, salaries and benefits. Not talking about equipment.

BECKEL: No, no, they're talking about the F-35. They're talking about the F-35. They're talking about the new tank that they want to force down everybody's throat.

TANTAROS: How about the tanks we gave the Muslim Brotherhood, those Abrams tanks. That would be a good way to start cutting.

BECKEL: We have got -- you keep talking about all the places where there's terrorism. Eric's put his finger on it. We can no longer go over and be the policemen of the world. Let's protect our interests, protect our allies' interest, but we do not have to circle this globe with United States military presence, and a lot of that budget, it's doubled.


TANTAROS: Brian, isn't that two different arguments?

BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: While we are going to draw down because we're going to focus on ourselves, our enemies are getting bigger, stronger, and meaner. And our allies, sadly, we don't have a say in their budget. They are not building up.

So, we have to deal with the Navy with a set of 52 ships. We have 32 ships. Instead of 450,000 -- 522,000 people guarding 300 million people, we can't afford to keep up. We have to cut down to 450,000 people. We have to cut another $600 billion out of the Pentagon budget.

This is the third major cut to the only part of the government that is working efficiently. These guys need to be bolstered. These guys need to be brought up. This health insurance needs to be re-enforced.

These guys and these women deserve it. You want to look at other areas to cut. This is the only area I would not cut.

BECKEL: Brian, what are you talking about? $600 billion cut, it's only $603 billion --

KILMEADE: Over 10 years. Another $600 billion over the next 10 years.

TANTAROS: We have the full screen, Eric, if you want to walk us through. There's mandatory entitlements versus military spending. Look at the biggest difference here. Where does all the money? Entitlements.

BOLLING: And the most part of that is continues to increase on the entitlement line, but the defense budget, the number keeps, coming down from 2010 to '12, it's down $18 billion.

BECKEL: Why can't you call right now for Social Security and Medicare to be cut? That's what's in there.

BOLLING: Look at the last one -- a huge drop in defense right there from $670 billion to $603 billion.

Here's the point, I would agree with you on we don't need to be policing all these other areas and we definitely shouldn't be the ones to go in places like Venezuela, Syria, Kiev, Ukraine, because it's their battle, it's their war.

But when some of our allies like Israel starts to get a little nervous about what's going on in Iran, then you have to help. But you don't do it

-- you can do it smarter with drones, with aircraft.

PERINO: Can I disagree, though? On Syria, actually, our intervention earlier in Syria would have helped our ally, Israel. I mean, it's all interconnected. And we don't get to decide who is going to attack us in the future.

TANTAROS: I've got to play a Bolton SOT, and you can react. That goes -- that actually goes to Dana's point.


KILMEADE: He's a diplomat.

BECKEL: He's diplomat your ass.


BECKEL: Sorry.

TANTAROS: He's a contributor and friend and he has an amazing mustache. At least give him that. Here's Bolton.


JOHN BOLTON, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: I think the president wants to reduce the size of the military, to reduce our international capabilities. This has nothing to do with budget savings given the extraordinary increase in budget expenditures on the domestic side. This is about the president reducing American power, doing it consciously and systematically.


TANTAROS: There's a big difference, though, Bob, in sending troops into war and being the world's policemen and maintaining a strong military at home and taking care of those who have served.

BECKEL: We have plenty of military at home. Bolton doesn't know what he's talking about.


PERINO: Are you for cutting military pay?

BECKEL: No, I'm not for cutting military pay.


BECKEL: I'm for cutting the number of military people. I think you should take the number of troops down and you sure should get rid of admirals and generals.


KILMEADE: Listen --

BECKEL: They don't have a boat for some of these admirals to be on.

KILMEADE: I have no idea about the breakdown of officers as opposed to --

BECKEL: I'm telling you. There's 1,000 of them.

KILMEADE: I'll go back to your point.

PERINO: Thank you.

KILMEADE: The president of the United States wanted to get a Republican secretary of defense. He had no idea how unpopular and unqualified Hagel would come off during these hearings. He tried to do it with Gates and Gates said essentially in his book, if they tried to do this with me, I would have resigned. So, he did a pre-emptive cut because he agrees with you. There's a lot of waste in the military and there's a lot of redundancy there.

But he wouldn't do it. Rumsfeld wouldn't do it. Cheney wouldn't do it. I wouldn't think Panetta would even do it.

So, he goes and gets Hagel out there to make the most contradictory speech I can remember. We have more threats and we have different threats than ever before, so we're going to accelerate the drawdown, fantastic.

Let's make sure we're definitely not ready for the new challenges.

BECKEL: I'm sorry, you just said that our enemies, our big enemies are growing and growing. Our big enemies is Russia and China and North Korea.


BECKEL: And Iran. Combined, they don't add to up to half of what we spend in defense. Combined.

KILMEADE: Do you understand what we do now has everything to do with


BECKEL: That's the problem, I don't.

KILMEADE: In the next five years and the next 10 years, who were setting the table for now is using our technological advantage to get the most advantageous weapon system out there to keep our people safe for the maximum amount of money. So, if he can explain how R&D is going to save us boots on the ground, go ahead and do it.

TANTAROS: And, Bob, haven't you railed against the Chinese before, how they're growing in size and strength.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: The world is not becoming more safe. It's more dangerous.

Why would you draw down the military now?

KILMEADE: According to James Clapper, he says that.

PERINO: And a lot of that is coming from the cyber terrorism world.

And part of the thing I think is important is recruitment. We need really smart young people, engineers that are willing to go into the military, and they need to be assured that they will be able to get the pay and equipment.

But that -- this proposal does not tell any young person at MIT they should choose the military as a career. Even if they want to, they would probably look at this type of trend in the United States and think that's not where I want to be. But we should want them to be there.

BECKEL: You're exactly right about that. We should do that and we should take a look at what the future looks like. And that means not having people on the ground everywhere. We don't need all these soldiers.

TANTAROS: Two different things, Bob. I think a lot of us would agree with you on that point, but that's not what we're debating.

BOLLING: And I do agree with you. I think you're right. I think Dana is right. I think you're kind of saying the same thing, that the future battlefield shouldn't be a dirt road in a foreign country. The future battlefield is the Internet.

KILMEADE: It's not our choice.

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: Well --

BECKEL: What's not our choice?

BOLLING: Well, I think it is our choice. I think we can become, you know, instead of losing Ed Snowden, make sure we have more Ed Snowdens that are smarter than the rest of the world.

KILMEADE: Ed Snowden is probably the worse example.


BECKEL: You want to go to Ukraine? You want to put boots on the ground in Ukraine?

PERINO: Who in the world is suggesting boots on the ground in Ukraine? Do you want diplomacy, you have to back it up. Do you want to be respected in the world? Do you think the Chinese -- they're probably laughing. Bob, the enemy you talk about, they're laughing about this.

KILMEADE: The headlines around the world are America's decline.

TANTAROS: They're not just laughing, they're reloading and they're planning and they're seeing us get weak by the minute.

BOLLING: Reloading and aiming at us on American soil.

KILMEADE: Iran is building intercontinental missiles that can hit our shores, according to Israel, in the next 18 months.


TANTAROS: Well, we had the Boston marathon. We had a number.

BOLLING: Boots for a military to attack Iran --

KILMEADE: If you told me, if you were the secretary of defense and you said, listen, I'm going to have less troops and more missile defense, if you said, I'm going to work more on cyber terrorism.

BOLLING: That's what they're saying.

KILMEADE: What I'm saying is but all we're hearing is drawdown, draw back, cut back, and deal with it, Pentagon. That's what Hagel announced.

BOLLING: To Obama's credit, he's using drones more aggressively than anyone has ever used and I think that's the right strategy.

KILMEADE: We like it, but we stopped in Pakistan, and that's where we need to do most.

BECKEL: Stopped in Pakistan.

KILMEADE: I love what he's done. I love what he did. We have stopped bombing in Pakistan.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

PERINO: You can't do -- there aren't enough drones in order to protect us long term.

I also think Secretary Gates said in his hearing before, the last proposal, that those would be catastrophic cuts. Sequestration has been something that even the administration said that has caused austerity. But now, the actual cuts come on the backs of the military.

Now, interestingly, in that chart you showed with the domestic spending entitlements versus the defense spending, the entitlement piece, that can only go up because of the situation in our country. So, now, again, if you ask me about priorities and what do Americans want? They should want the administration, the elected leaders, to deal with that problem so we don't have to have this fight about defense.

TANTAROS: We have to move on. But I would --


BECKEL: For the people who put together the boards, you didn't put the fact that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, which is about 90 percent of the budget.

BOLLING: Those are accurate. Those screens are accurate.

BECKEL: Why don't you say what they are? They're not a bunch of hand outs to welfare people.

TANTAROS: Bob, even if we gutted the entire military, we'd still be over a trillion dollars in debt.


BECKEL: That would be a good start, and the admirals.

TANTAROS: OK, we've got to move on. And we'll talk about why. I do believe the president is trying to gut the Department of Defense, coming up, so he can get something in exchange with Republicans.

But this just in from the department of gibberish. Samantha Power tweeted this over the weekend. Very strange. She tweeted out, "Daniel Pearl's story is a reminder that individual accountability and reconciliation are required to break cycles of violence." She's the U.N.


Dana, what was she trying to say there?

PERINO: Well, OK, so last night, when I tweeted one of my favorite sayings in PR is if you're explaining, you're losing. What I was talking about is her Twitter situation. The Daniel Pearl story is one of atrocious violence against an innocent person. If you use him and his story in a tweet, and you better make sure you know what you're talking about.

This goes to my theory that I don't believe that anybody in a position of power and influence in Washington, D.C., or on government, should do their own Twitter accounts. You Twitter to monitor the news, whatever, but if you don't know how to use 140 characters appropriately, should do everyone a favor and stay off it.

TANTAROS: Eric, she tried to amend the tweet, but this is a woman who has likened U.S. foreign policy to those of the Nazis. She said that we need a historical reckoning, which sounds like reconciliation in there, and she said instituting a mea culpa doctrine would enhance American credibility.

BOLLING: What we ran there was her tweet --

PERINO: Correction.

BOLLING: Was the correction. The original tweet was Daniel Pearl, blah blah, which is basically the most insulting thing you can possibly say to, (a), the pearl family, (b), The Wall Street Journal, (c), anyone, journalists and Americans.

This guy was murdered. This guy was murdered. She's blaming him for the murder?

BECKEL: It was a terrible thing to say, but where did she say about Nazis, comparing us to Nazis? That's just ridiculous.

TANTAROS: Oh, she did. I have a list of all her inflammatory comments --

BECKEL: She compared the United States with Nazis?

TANTAROS: Yes, she did.

BECKEL: Show me that, will you?

TANTAROS: She made anti-Israel comments. I have a binder on her. I have binders.


BECKEL: I'm absolutely shocked.

TANTAROS: Quickly, Brian.

KILMEADE: I will say just real quick, I read the whole speech. You're right. (INAUDIBLE) Daniel Pearl and pointed out that his foundation does something, not getting revenge, talks about forgiveness and openness. And I think that was the gist of what she was trying to get in 140 characters, to give her the benefit of the doubt.

But if you watch her, the way she says "I love the country, the greatest country on Earth", and kept saying it over and over again to Senator Marco Rubio, who was asking about the inflammatory statements --

TANTAROS: And she did say it after it was an award -- the Daniel Pearl Award and they defended her, however, the word reconciliation with her past --

KILMEADE: Bizarre.

TANTAROS: -- strange.

Before we go, tomorrow night on "The Five," a TV legend is going to join us right here, who is "Jeopardy" host Alex Trebek. He'll be right here at this table and we'll have plenty of questions for him this time. It's going to be a lot of fun. So, don't miss it.

Coming up next, "The Factor's" Jesse Watters hit the beach to get an update on -- remember him -- President Obama's most infamous food stamp recipient.


JESSE WATTERS, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": A lot of people do survive on minimum wage. Are you still eating lobster with the food stamps?

JASON GREENSLATE, SURFER: If it's on sale. I eat whatever is on sale.


TANTAROS: More on how surfer dude is faring in America's welfare system when we return.


BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five."

Remember the surfer dude who is dining on lobster and sushi with your money from food stamps? Jesse Watters caught up with little Spicoli.


WATTERS: Some people say, listen, you're a mooch.

GREENSLATE: Obviously, they don't know me. Because anybody who knows me, I'll give you the shirt off my back.

WATTERS: Do you know how much debt America is in right now?


WATTERS: Seventeen trillion dollars. Do you think you taking food stamps is contributing to that debt? Because it is.

GREENSLATE: Do I have to apologize for the way the system is set up?

I don't feel like I need to apologize for it. It's just the way you're wording it kind of seems like I'm getting kind of the ruler on the hand, you know?


BOLLING: So, funny thing is he's kind of right. He's playing the system. He's stretching the rules to their limits.

But what would you expect with $105 billion program that's almost tripled under Obamanomics. That's what you expect right there. Take a look at it.

But what's next? Strip clubs, liquor stores and pot dispensaries?

That's already going on, folks. Welcome to Obama's America.


BECKEL: God Almighty. Did you write that?


BECKEL: You did? Welcome to Obama's America?

TANTAROS: Are you surprised?

BOLLING: So, the last year of the Bush presidency -- the last year of the Bush presidency, we spent $39 billion on food stamps.

BECKEL: OK. If I had a camera and money that our executive producer has, well, I could find you plenty of people, the 98 percent who use them for food on the table to feed people.

BOLLING: He uses his EBT card, he walked in the supermarket and he bought lobster --

BECKEL: So, everybody is like that. Everybody buys lobster, everybody buys pot?


BOLLING: So, let's bring it around.

BECKEL: Oh, yes, there's an example.

KILMEADE: So food stamps are at $17 billion in 2000 and now they're at $79 billion. To put a face behind the numbers, I thought it was important that John Roberts talked to him two months ago? And you would think he got so much backlash, he would say I'm going to put a shirt on, stop smoking, stop driving around with my Escalade and probably get a full time job. Instead, he's not, and he embraces this interview, which is absolutely incredible.

What I also find quite interesting is that he's having all this success without any regret. And I think that if you could find a way to turn him around, Eric, you work with him, and you get him a part-time job where he has to wear a shirt and doesn't smoke cigarettes until 3:00 in the morning.

TANTAROS: Can we play the video?

BOLLING: He's the representative of literally millions of Americans.

BECKEL: Oh, come on. I can't believe you would say something like that.

BOLLING: Bob, look --

BECKEL: That's so outrageous. John Roberts went out and found somebody to use food stamps to feed their kids?


BECKEL: He found somebody like this.

BOLLING: Have you looked ahead in the packet what's the second half of this block is about.

BECKEL: Going in and buying pot using ATMs.


BECKEL: I'll tell you what? Why don't we go to a house where they use food stamps to feed their kids?


BOLLING: We have New York and Colorado representative at the table.

Ands, in New York, to their credit -- by the way, the way it works is the states administer the EBT program, but it's federally funded. So, $105 billion was 2013.

But New York says, you know what? No more using your EBT card in strip clubs, liquor stores or anywhere else like this.

TANTAROS: Yes, they really are. You know, they tried to bring this bill to the floor twice before, but the liberal senate leader, Sheldon Silver, blocked it. They didn't want any accountability on this program.

Finally, the Republican senators said we've had enough. We're going to lose all the food stamp money for the people who actually do really need it. So, we're going to get our books in order.

I do disagree with you, though, Brian. The bear may change his fur, but he never changes his mind. You can put him in Jesse Waters' salmon colored polo, he's still going to be the guy. And it's generous to give the shirt off his back, but I don't think I want it.

KILMEADE: If you see him in his pants, he does not wear a shirt.

BOLLING: So, Dana, the other part of the story is in Colorado. They found last year that a lot of people were using their EBT cards --

BECKEL: Ooh, lots of people.

BOLLING: -- inside pots -- to the tune of $2 million.

TANTAROS: It happens all the time in New York.


BOLLING: Whatever.

TANTAROS: I see it all the time.

BOLLING: They're using their EBT card, getting cash and buying weed with it.

PERINO: Well, even though I'm not necessarily against the legalization of marijuana, I never did pot. I don't understand it. I don't -- I understand medical reasons, all that. I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing.

And even yesterday when we were talking about, what were we talking about?

BOLLING: Legalizing --

PERINO: Anyway, this whole pot experiment, to me, is just a little bit beyond the pale. The guy here, just because you can take advantage of a system doesn't mean you should. And I wonder where his parents are.


PERINO: I hope they're embarrassed.

BOLLING: To my good friend, my good liberal friend here, the SNAP program, it's not called food stamps anymore. It's called SNAP -- supplemental what? And nutrition. What about liquor, lap dances, and pot is nutritional?

BECKEL: Let me just say, all these millions of people who get it, they're all going into pot stores and then they're going gambling, they're all going out for lobster.

BOLLING: Not all.


BECKEL: Why don't we have somebody in who --


BECKEL: They don't want to put it on.


KILMEADE: But in Colorado, they had a Fox affiliate reporter go out and check the ATM cards in the liquor stores. There's over 100 EBT cards in those things. Now, they say, OK, we're going to regulate it. They go, yes, but on private ATMs which are located in most liquor stores and pot dispensaries, they do not have to go with that regulation.

TANTAROS: Can I finish my thought, please?


TANTAROS: I have been in food emporiums which are nice grocery stores in the city and have seen women using EBT cards with a man's picture on it. You can use EBT cards, Eric, at the organic market in the East Village. You can get organic salmon, wild salmon. It's insanity.

BOLLING: Which is questionable in itself.  Dana --

PERINO: I would say two things. I think there should be a technological fix for this where you can figure out a way to limit what the card can be spent on.

But also, Bob, I think -- I understand your anger, but I also don't understand why liberals aren't more angry at him, because he's the one that is making a bad example for the rest --


PERINO: I don't think it's John Roberts' fault for finding him. I think it's his fault for being --

TANTAROS: I don't blame the guy. I don't.

BECKEL: People like that and people who buys organic salmon is out of their mind. Organic anything, they're out of their mind.


TANTAROS: It's not the servant's fault.

BECKEL: You're right, I wish we would make it clear that the vast majority of people do not take their ATM cards and buy --

BOLLING: No question about that. No one doubts that. The problem is



BOLLING: By the way, you want to limit some of it, don't use your EBT card for cash. Stop allowing EBT cards for cash. Use it for stuff -- food.

All right. O'Reilly has a no-spin zone, but "The View" might be the full spin zone. Uncle Joe Biden playing role of spin doctor with the lovelies of "The View". The topic: the huge success that is ObamaCare.


PERINO: Joe Biden made his way back to "The View" today, this time to try to convince Americans to sign up for Obamacare before the deadline of March 31st. He didn't seem to want to talk about the CBO report that determined the health care law would cost the equivalent of 2 million jobs.

Instead, he said this.


JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT: This is about freedom. How many of you are single women with children in a dead end job.

You're there because of your health insurance.

Now, you'd be able to do, make an independent choice. You want to stay in that job even though you can get health insurance absent that job?

And it gives women a great deal more freedom.


PERINO: All right. Andrea, so I can see good strategy, I think, from a White House standpoint to put Joe Biden on "The View", but is what they're saying nationally at all in accordance with the things people are reading in their own newspapers?

TANTAROS: No, and I think the facts he had to go on "The View" shows they desperately need women to sign up. And the fact he said single women, it was a life of Julia all over again. Single women become dependent on the government.

And I also think it's a bit out of touch because it means single women out there are sitting around worried about birth control and that's the number one issue that they're thinking about.

I don't believe that to be true. However, I was shocked in the last election they came out and voted in droves for President Obama when he said that he's willing to subsidize their sex lives.

So, look, I think that ObamaCare is in trouble. It's a nice play. Joe Biden did follow that up, Dana, by saying the vice president doesn't have a lot of power -- I thought, what the heck are you doing on "The View", Joe?

PERINO: Whoa, Frank Underwood might disagree with that.

KILMEADE: "House of Cards".

PERINO: "House of Cards" watchers should know that.

Brian, today, Secretary Sebelius had a little response on CBO. Take a look at this.


KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, HHS SECRETARY: Seven million was not the administration. That was a CBO Congressional Budget Office prediction when the bill was first signed. I'm not quite sure where they even got their numbers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What does success look like?

SEBELIUS: I think success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of March 2014.


PERINO: OK, Brian. Am I just living on a different planet? I think their explanations are getting more and more inexplicable.

KILMEADE: How could you move the goalpost and how is that permitted by your boss? I mean, you said it, 7 million is out there. I'm sure it wasn't on a big post like the deficit clock that keeps on flowing about two blocks from us.

But you have Kathleen Sebelius say, hey, it's not 7 million but we can get close, then we got to look at, OK, wait a minute, when we're talking about the CBO, and the program that now she feels strong enough to trump it, let's talk about the 30 million people that are still going to be uninsured when it's said and done. Let's talk about the thousands of jobs, according to the CBO, that still, they're going to be lost because of it.

And also, let's talk about what Joe Biden was talking about, the freedom. The freedom that sculptors are going to have to not have to wait tables, so they can get health insurance or they can paint, so other people can go and carve and do other things.

What about the fact that there's money there that has to be but put there so people who choose not to work no longer anchor to a job have to go into a pot, that horrible 1 percent is going to have more money in the pot, so that woman or that sculptor or that artist can do what they want to do without having another job.

TANTAROS: It's the opposite of freedom, too. It's saying, let us be your sugar daddy. Rely on us.

PERINO: Let me ask, Eric, here. Let's just say -- let's just say she can rewrite history and they only need the 3 million. I mean, is it -- is it possible their math could add up? That this program could be whole?

BOLLING: No, and the other problem is they're counting enrollees and not paid enrollees. They're talking about anyone who signs up, which we're finding out, somewhere around 4 out of 5, or maybe 3 out of 4 are Medicare, Medicaid recipients. So, they're taking from the system. I find it interesting when they originally scored ObamaCare and were trying to push it through from bill to law, they said it was revenue neutral and that was a CBO scoring.

The left thought it was the smartest thing they heard. They scored it neutral and they made a lot of changes and now, they don't like the way it's turning out, so the CBO is the most ridiculous group.

And pushing back on, Joe Biden saying 2,000 jobs -- 

PERINO: Yes, I don't know where he got that.

BOLLING: A million jobs. He said -- his math is really bad.

PERINO: Bob, Democrats I think on Wednesday, tomorrow, are going to start a full-court press to try to do some good PR about ObamaCare. Do you think it will move the needle for them?

BECKEL: Not much, but I will say that if you dropped in from Mars and you watched this show so far, this is what Obama wants. ObamaCare, he wants to support women's loose sex lives, he wants food stamps to be used to smoke dope --


BECKEL: -- buy lobster and buy an Escalade.


BECKEL: He wants to apologize to the Nazis and he wants to destroy the military. I say that guy ought to go.

TANTAROS: All those things are true.


BECKEL: Unbelievable. Leave here one day and it gets even more outrageous that it normally is.

PERINO: But you know what's good? There's no politics for the rest of the show. So, got to stick around.

Still ahead --

BECKEL: Do you have a bad night, Porter, or what?

KILMEADE: Who is Porter?

BECKEL: Porter is the one who runs the show, I think. He's a right winger from Oklahoma.

PERINO: We've got to go.

We are going to talk about Cassius Clay and will the sport of boxing change forever when he had the match that stunned the world, Mohammed Ali.

His legacy, I know nothing about boxing. So, stick around.

KILMEADE: It's Earth-shattering news from 50 years ago.


KILMEADE: It was one of the greatest sports moments of the 20th century. I'm talking about February 25th, 1964. A young 22-year-old boxer named Cassius Clay knocked out champion Sonny Liston, supposed to be unbeatable, to win the heavyweight title. He renamed himself Muhammad Ali the next day.

Today marks 50 years since that day. No one could have predicted how that match would end, not even the greatest's own ringside team.


NARRATOR: Hardly anyone gave the challenger a chance against Sonny Liston, a cold, brutal ex-con with a devastating left hook. Even Clay's ringside physician, fight doctor, Fergie Pacheco, was concerned.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were really worried Liston was going to hurt Cassius Clay.

FERDIE PACHECO: Not hurt him, kill him.


KILMEADE: But it didn't turn out that way at all. Here's Ali after the fight.


MUHAMMAD ALI, BOXING LEGEND: So great, I don't have a mark on my face. And I upset Sonny Liston, and I just turned 22 years old. I must be the greatest. I am the king of the world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold it, hold it.

ALI: I'm a bad man. I took on the world. I took out the world.


KILMEADE: See, that fight had everything -- politics, civil rights, and race all wrapped up into one. It really got the '60s up to that roaring start.

But here's the big story today. The Washington Times had a freedom of information request and they got it. It turns out the FBI believed that that fight was fixed, and they have all different types of characters from the mob world, Barnett Magids, a big gambler, Ash Resnick, and Meyer Lansky, all involved in this.

Bob, you're a big boxing guy. You watch that fight, all eight rounds

-- as upsetting and shocking as it was, was it fixed?

BECKEL: If it was -- look, it may have been fixed. But there was no question he was beaten. Ali killed the guy. It wasn't -- there was no fix in this thing. If anybody had it fixed, they had a pretty bad bet on their hands because Ali was right, he didn't have a mark on his face.

Liston looked uglier than when he went in the ring. He's pretty ugly when he's in the ring. Ali was the single greatest fighter in the history of this world, and he knocked the hell out of him. It wasn't fixed.

KILMEADE: And he was at his best at the time, but, you know, he quit on his stool, Eric, with a torn shoulder, and X-rays revealed he had a torn muscle.

BOLLING: Yes, anyone who thinks professional boxing isn't fixed or wasn't fixed, maybe not now but then, is foolish. Yes, Ali was the greatest fighter of his time. Then, came along Mike Tyson. Clearly, in my opinion, the best fighter ever to step in a ring.

You want to talk about fixes. Find Tyson losing to Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas, those are two fixed fights.

PERINO: When that happened --


PERINO: When that happened, I was shocked.

KILMEADE: You were shocked? Andrea, do you want to weigh in on that?

TANTAROS: I mean, I remember that day well. It was riveting.

KILMEADE: You were minus nine at the time.

TANTAROS: Yes, more than that.

KILMEADE: I will say this, it's just amazing if you think about that fight at that time and boxing be the number one sport in the world at that time. You have Liston who is unbeatable, against Ali who comes out and talks like only Jack Johnson did prior. There's been 60 years since there's been an African-American said I'm the greatest, I'm the best. He gave a whole bunch of people --

TANTAROS: You run around the building saying that every day.

KILMEADE: Listen, I was so into Ali, I wanted to change my confirmation name to Muhammad. And I actually put --

PERINO: How did that go over?

KILMEADE: It didn't go over good, and my compromise was Cassius. And that didn't go over either.

BECKEL: Do you realize that he could not stay in hotels in Miami, because they would not allow blacks in.

BOLLING: And he spoke up about it.

BECKEL: He spoke up about it.

BOLLING: You're saying, I'm sorry, Ali at the top of his game and Tyson at the top of their game, you'd take Ali?

KILMEADE: Ali could adjust to different styles. Mike Tyson had one style. It was straight ahead. He could never understand and deal with somebody with reach, and no one could take a punch like Muhammad Ali.

BECKEL: I would disagree. I mean, I think that would be one of the evenest fights you've ever seen. I think there would be no favor to that fight.

KILMEADE: Did you see Holyfield fight Ali?

BECKEL: Yes, I did.

KILMEADE: Did you see -- did you see Buster Douglas fight Mike Tyson?

BECKEL: Yes, I did.

BOLLING: I don't know what they're talking about.

KILMEADE: During his prime, Ali would have knocked out Mike Tyson.

TANTAROS: All I know, Brian, is this. I don't think anyone is really willing to say that the mob was behind all this unless are you going to start my car after the show?

BECKEL: You know who the fixer was? It was Don King. There's a thug that should are been in jail.

KILMEADE: That's a non-sequitur.

BECKEL: I wanted to get my shot in at the squirrely-haired punk.

PERINO: Oh, my goodness.

KILMEADE: A lot of those fighters ended up broke.

BECKEL: Because he also took their money, stole it, and killed people.

Oh, sorry. I'm getting yelled at. Sorry.

KILMEADE: I'll move ahead. Fourteen minutes before the top of the hour. Next, big news in the world of gambling. Bob's got it when we return, only on "The Five."


BECKEL: Gambling history has just been made. This morning, the governors of Delaware and Nevada signed the first interstate gambling framework in the country. Under the deal, residents of those states will soon be able to play poker against each other online. It's a move that could potentially bring in millions of new revenue a year for both states.

Dana, let me start with you. You're not necessarily a big gambling fan. What do you think about the idea?

PERINO: So the idea, the appeal of this type of gambling, online gambling doesn't -- I don't understand it, personally, but I do think it is good that you have two governors facing up to the fact that this is going to be happening anyway, so they might as well cooperate and get the framework of a policy together so that they can make sure that they can manage it appropriately, to the extent possible. Online gambling, I guess, is -- it's the new Wild West.

BECKEL: Huge. Yes.

PERINO: So I think that the governors should be commended for working together on it.

BECKEL: What do you think?

BOLLING: I'm not going to tease you. I'll finish what I said.

TANTAROS: I think Delaware has been flirting with online gambling for a long time, and admittedly, I don't love gambling because I do think it's a pretty dangerous addiction that tears up families, but I don't think the government should tell people what they should do with their money.

Also, if they're allowing gambling, I fear some of these states are acknowledging that the business community has failed in the state, and they need to prop up their budgets and the resources and their economy by gambling, and I think that's a problem.

BECKEL: That's a very good point. What do you think?

KILMEADE: I worry about it. I worry about it, because most people I know can't just gamble just for fun once in a while. Now it's going to look to maximize revenue. I would love to see something a bit more productive.

I hate the idea of a lottery. I think it takes advantage of the very people that it's supposed to be -- supposed to be helping. It's bringing more revenue in for more social programs. I think, you know, if they have to talk to each other to maximize the gambling revenue, whatever.

BECKEL: I'm saving the libertarian for last.

BOLLING: No, no. This is a good thing. I push back on some of this because, like Dana, I agree. It's inevitable. But what is going on is people want to gamble now, and they have to go offshore to go do this.


BOLLING: So that's great. Bring this back -- let us handle the gambling, the business of it, the taxation of it, and the profits of it, rather than these guys are literally making tens of millions of dollars in Bermuda and some of the Bahaman countries. And there's no -- there's no regulation. There's no way. These people are stealing our fellow gamblers' money.

BECKEL: I think you're exactly right about that, but you know what?

I'm a big poker player. And one thing that worries me about this, I'm all for it. But normally in poker, if you're a good poker player, you look at the other guy's eyes and see what they -- look what they're hiding (ph).

You can't do that online. So...

BOLLING: The best online poker players are the ones who win the tournaments when they're looking face-to-face.

BECKEL: Exactly right. That's the one thing. I wouldn't do it if I couldn't see my opponent's face, and I wouldn't want to play poker against them, particularly if it was to a meet (ph).

"One More Thing" is up next.


TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." And I will kick it off. So finger-gate is no longer an unsolved mystery. Remember this infamous picture from the State of the Union of Joe Biden?

Well, last night, Biden was on Seth Myers' premiere of his late-night show, and Myers asked him what he was pointing at. The vice president said that he ran into one senator, who he didn't name, on the floor who said, "Hey, here, go to this guy."


SETH MYERS, HOST, NBC'S "THE LATE SHOW WITH SETH MYERS": So many finger guns. If there was an NRA for finger guns, you would be the president.

BIDEN: As we're walking over, a senior senator said, "Look, Joe, I know you and Barack are friends, but don't stand up for every damn thing he says." And I said, "All right." And then I counted. Seventeen times, this particular senator stood up in front of the president. So I went like this. I pointed at him. Talk about a suck-up.


TANTAROS: Seth Myers said if there was an NRA for finger guns, he'd be the president. My question is, why is he counting how many times the senator is standing up?

BOLLING: What else are you going to do, Andrea? It's so boring.


BOLLING: OK. So, the next -- or about to be approved forever stamp, take look at this stamp. Do we have the full-screen? There he is, Mr. Charlton Heston, who ran the NRA about from 1998 to 2003 and made that one comment, so infamous, when he held up the gun and said, "Mr. Gore, from my cold, dead hands."


PERINO: Last night, very exciting, we've been waiting for this moment. We got to go to Dierks Bentley's screening of his documentary for his new albumthat is out today called "Riser," and we got a little peek

at the documentary we can show you here.


DIERKS BENTLEY, COUNTRY MUSIC STAR: It's just like writing a song, editing it all down from this story into a book. It has chapters. It really sums up who you are and when you read all those chapters together, ah, man, I know exactly who this guy is. I'm writing it to figure out who I am, as well.


PERINO: So the documentary is a chance for you to get to know him a little bit better. You've heard me talk about him, and if you don't like country music, just try out this album because I think it's really, really his best.

TANTAROS: He should hire you.

PERINO: He should hire me.

TANTAROS: Roberto.

BECKEL: Yes, first of all, I want to say to the person I'm about to speak about to his family, it is a tragedy indeed, but a fellow who was in Michigan was showing his girlfriend how safe guns are, handguns. He brought three guns that were unloaded, and he put them to his head and he said, "Let me show you why these things are so safe."

One didn't go off. Two didn't go off. The third one killed him. The

-- I would just say that this is one of the problems with handguns in homes. People die, and it's a tragedy.

TANTAROS: All right.

KILMEADE: On a different note, a lot of people say to me, what do we get you for your birthday and for special events? Like Fawkes Rebellion Day? And my answer is this. George Washington's letter just got put up for sale. The year is December 30th, 1778. "The British just decided to give up Philadelphia, go back to New York." The letter pumping up the Americans -- what would be Americans that we can win this thing, win out. He wrote the letter. The letter is available for $120,000.

Originally, the signer of the declaration, Cesar Rodney, he had this; he gave it up. Now it's available. So if you want to surprise me.

TANTAROS: How much?

KILMEADE: A hundred and twenty thousand.

BOLLING: You book -- your book, I read it. It's terrific. And everybody ought to buy it.

TANTAROS: Don't you have a birthday coming up? Maybe for your birthday?

Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow. "Special Report" up next.

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