• With: Karl Rove

    This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," September 25, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: This is a "FOX News Alert." Another late night in the United States Senate just moments ago, and in a surprising move, the Senate voting to put the CR, the continuing resolution, on the fast track. That means a final Senate vote could come as early as Friday.

    Now, the Senate's speeding up the CR process despite Senator Ted Cruz's best effort to slow it down.


    SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS: I intend to speak in support of defunding ObamaCare until I am no longer able to stand.

    I actually agreed with that notion, and it's a tragic notion, that there are two Americas. There are two Americas, A, between the ruling class in Washington and everyone else.

    SEN. RAND PAUL,R-KY.: The president doesn't want to compromise! What we're talking about is we don't want to spend money on something that's not going to work and hurt the people, precisely the people it was intended to help!

    SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA.: We're not fighting against ObamaCare. We are fighting for these people!

    CRUZ: I want to take the opportunity to read two bedtime stories to my girls.

    Do you like green eggs and ham? I do not like them, Sam I am.

    I have stated before I think it ought to be expanded so that every member of Congress, all congressional staff, the president, the political appointees and every federal employee should be subject to ObamaCare.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's something called a Panama hat. Can you tell me what part of the world the Panama hat comes from?

    CRUZ: It could possibly be Panama. You might think, if you call it a Panama hat, that it would make sense that it'd be Panama. But no, think again, Ecuador.

    What Americans care about is they want jobs back. They want economic growth back. They want to get back to work. They want their health care not to be taken away because of ObamaCare!

    This is the first time I've seen when Republican leadership is actively whipping the Republican conference to support Harry Reid and give him the power to enact his agenda.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How're you doing?

    CRUZ: I thank the senator from Kansas. And I will tell you, I am doing fabulous. I am encouraged, I am inspired, I'm motivated by the American people.

    PAUL: I was a physician in practice 20 years. I saw it every day. Number one complaint I got, health insurance costs too much. So what did ObamaCare do for health insurance costs? It drove them up.

    CRUZ: I wondered if at some point, we were going to see a tall gentleman in a mechanical breathing apparatus come forward and say in a deep voice, "Mike Lee, I am your father."

    There is still at least strength in my legs to stand a little longer.

    The only path if we're going to oppose ObamaCare is to stand together and oppose cloture. And I would ask for my friends in the Democratic aisle to listen to...

    SEN. PATRICK LEAHY, D-VT.: The hour -- the hour of noon has arrived. Pursuant to the order of...


    LEAHY: ... the Senate will be...


    VAN SUSTEREN: Karl Rove joins us. Good evening, Karl.


    VAN SUSTEREN: Karl, I want to talk about Senator Cruz in just a moment. But first I want to talk about the government shutting down. What are the odds -- looking at it tonight, as you look at it, what are the odds that the government will be shutting down?

    ROVE: You know, there may be a shutdown for a few days, but I think the most likely outcome is, is since they're speeding up this process in the Senate, which I'm a little bit surprised at, that means they're going to ping their bill over to the House.

    The House Republicans are going to rewrite that bill, send it back to the Senate. You know, my sense is that it's going to include things like a delay of ObamaCare or subject all of the members of Congress and their staffs to ObamaCare, just like the rest of the American people.

    And it may be that it's a short-term continuing resolution that keeps the government open for another week or two to allow for more discussion. But I think there's going to be an attempt to keep this shutdown either short or to postpone it a little bit and give the House Republicans a chance to fashion a bill that'll -- that'll jam at least some parts of ObamaCare, if not defund it.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well, someone -- doesn't someone have to sort of call uncle? I mean, it's going to go over from the Senate to the House, minus that defunding provision. That's what we predict. And then you say they're going to ping it back to the Senate. And when it goes back the Senate, the House Republicans will put something into it that will delay ObamaCare, maybe for a year or something else, which the Senate is not going to like or approve of. So they're going to want to do something to sort of ping it back. Somebody's got to cry uncle at some point.

    ROVE: Yes. Well, first of all, either -- there are one of two things they could do. They could send back a short-term CR that keeps the government open for another week or two to give them more time, or they could send back a CR that includes some provisions, like putting all of the members of Congress under -- under the -- under "Obama care" and/or delaying the individual mandate for a year.

    Nearly -- several dozen Democrats in the House voted for the latter. And my suspicion is most members of Congress are going to be hard pressed not to say, We ought to be under ObamaCare like everybody else.

    So my sense is that they can pass it through the House on a bipartisan basis. And in the Senate, I think they can probably pick up five, six, seven, eight Democrats who either on principle believe that what's good for the goose, corporate America, ought to be good for the gander, individual Americans, and/or red state Democrats who say, I'm going to be in trouble in my state if I'm seen on the wrong side of this issue.

    VAN SUSTEREN: All right, well, there's one thing that I just -- I have to point out for the viewers, in that the -- you know, if we do go into a shutdown because there isn't enough time to do a continuing resolution, I want to remind the viewers that September 30th, the end of the fiscal year, comes after the 29th every single year. And if the leaders had not taken a five-week vacation and had their members in the House and the Senate beginning in April, that we wouldn't be in this particular position.

    So you know, it's only because they didn't do their homework. They knew this was coming and they didn't do it. And now they're in this mad scramble with the consequences of a possible shutdown.

    ROVE: Yes. Well, you bet. Remember, the last time we passed a full budget for the fiscal year in advance of the fiscal year was in the calendar year of 2007 for FY-08. The Congress passed a budget for half the fiscal year in 2008 for FY-09. But since then, we've been running the government on a series of continuing resolutions with busted deadlines left and right.

    Congress -- at least this year, the House passed a budget resolution. The Senate finally passed a budget resolution. It has not in recent years. And the House, I think, has passed most of the 12 appropriations bills and sent them over to the Senate, where they're largely languishing. None of the appropriations bills have been passed by both the House and the Senate and signed by the president.