COULTER: But this is in contrast, this is why liberals, what is -- as they used to say about Iraq, what does success look like in Afghanistan? What does it look like? You are not going to bring freedom to that country.
COULTER: They're 70 percent illiterate.
O'REILLY: I agree with you that with a guy like Karzai you are supporting a corrupt government. It's almost like South Vietnam. It's almost the same thing. And the people don't like him. They don't trust him. His government is corrupt. It's very difficult to get any semblance of freedom in that country. I agree. But if you pull out, all right, and you basically are looking at the Taliban coming over the border from Pakistan and re-establishing itself as a legitimate government of Afghanistan by force. Karzai will go to London, as I said. The Afghan army will surrender, and the Taliban will be in because they're more ruthless and they have more money and they'll be backed by Iran and a lot of other people. So then we are back to ground zero.
COULTER: Perhaps. Perhaps not.
O'REILLY: No perhaps.
O'REILLY: This is what's going to happen.
COULTER: This is not the history of Afghanistan. It's not the history of the Taliban. They don't like foreigners in their country. The only reason Obama escalated troops in Afghanistan was because it was a stupid talking point on the campaign trail that Afghanistan, that's the good war, Iraq is the bad war. Why? Because Iraq served America's national security interest, Afghanistan did not.
O'REILLY: Listen, you were a supporter of President Bush. President Bush is the architect of the Afghan…
COULTER: No, I was all for it for the first six months. And then we were done.
O'REILLY: Yes, I know.
COULTER: We knocked out the Taliban. We knocked out Al Qaeda.
O'REILLY: We didn't knock them out, you chased them over to the neighboring country and they come right back in.
COULTER: OK, six years later are they going to invite whatever remains of Al Qaeda in.
O'REILLY: Yes, they are and reconstitute it right there.
COULTER: Bill, then we'll go back in. It is pointless to have…
O'REILLY: Then we'll go back in. All right, here's a…
COULTER: No, Obama has increased troops.
O'REILLY: Tell me what's wrong with the strategy?
COULTER: What are you doing increasing troops in a country like that?
O'REILLY: Tell me what's wrong…
COULTER: Anything our bombs hit -- the bombs cost more than anything they could possibly hit in Afghanistan.
O'REILLY: Tell me what's wrong with this strategy. We have already invested blood and treasure in that country, OK? So I -- I'm for the drawdown and I think you've got to get out of there by 2014.
COULTER: And we shouldn't have had the surge.
O'REILLY: OK. I disagree with that. I think the surge has given us the tactical advantage now in the whole part of the country where there are some people who are coming over to our side, Afghans, and the Afghan army is getting better. There are some…
COULTER: We're better off going into Iran.
O'REILLY: So I say, pull them -- start to pull them back. And that's what's he's going to do tomorrow night, President Obama. He's going to say I'm going to take five out. In July, I'll take another five out in December and we'll drawdown. I'm not opposed to that. OK.