• With: Griff Jenkins, Fox News Correspondent, Sue Krentz, Ed Ashurst, Don Kimble


    This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," July 27, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Now you are going to the scene of a grisly murder that could be chilling proof of how deadly the illegal immigration crisis really is or can be. Griff Jenkins went to a ranch on the border where Arizona rancher Robert Krentz was murdered. The rancher's widow went "On the Record."


    GRIFF JENKINS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: In March of this year, Robert Krentz was murdered here on his ranch not far from the Mexican border. The case wasn't closed, but many suspected it was an illegal immigrant. Authorities followed footprints back across the Mexican border. The murder was a rallying call for a demand for action on the illegal immigration problem. Now this week, as SB-1070 is about to take effect, we take you to Robert Krentz's ranch to speak with his wife, Sue.

    Sue, this week the new immigration law takes effect. And you find yourself at the center of it because of the tragic murder of your husband. How are you doing?

    SUE KRENTZ, WIDOW OF RANCHER ROB KRENTZ: We are doing the best we can. It's a tremendous learning curve that we are going through. And our family is very, very strong. We are a strong and tight-knit family. Fortunately I have lots of friends and neighbors. We get by, by all the prayers and support that everybody throughout the state and nation have given us.

    And it is just a tremendous loss to my family.

    JENKINS: So you go back 100 years, and we are about 25, 30 miles from the Mexican border. What is life like? What does the rest of the country need to know about the fear and frustration that you encounter here on this ranch?

    KRENTZ: I've lived here all my life. My family owned the Mallet Ranch that is to the north of us. And we homesteaded in Price Canyon, which is the next canyon over.

    Years ago there was not the influx of the violence that was coming across. We had many Mexican cowboys that worked for us, you know, on both sides, and we helped them get their papers, you know, so that they could work and have better conditions for their family. And we've always extended a helping hand to them.

    And then lately, in the last, I'd say in the last 20 years, the numbers of people have increased. And then sometimes it has been overwhelming with the sheer magnitude of them, because there's a difference between having two guys, two of our cowboys show up that have worked for us for years, and then have 50 of women and children and grandparents.

    And we were told years ago in 2001 -- we were always concerned with this has to be a greater problem than people just looking for work. This has to be, you know, there has to be something seriously wrong in their communities. And we need to figure out what is wrong that doesn't keep these people in their homes or in their homeland.

    And we would try to do different things and try to notify the federal government that there was a serious problem. And all we were looking for was positive solutions to solve the problem on both sides of border. And on the ranch, Rob and I always wanted this place to be a safe haven for our children and grandchildren to come, too.

    JENKINS: Let me ask you, do you believe if our government did more to secure the border, it could have perhaps prevented your husband's murder? And certainly, if they get it right now, that it could prevent another wife from losing her husband on a ranch like this?

    KRENTZ: I hope so. I hope -- it is not just losing your husband. If they are willing to attack somebody like Rob, then they are willing to attack me, my kids, anybody. That's the fear.

    Right now we have to focus on securing the border between the legal points of entry and seeking out the problems that are the ones that are causing the problems, because, you know, we can't let this happen to another rancher.


    VAN SUSTEREN: Griff also spoke to Ed Ashurst and Don Kimble, two ranchers who are neighbors of Rob and Sue Krentz.


    JENKINS: When Rob was murdered, was that a shock to you guys, or did you see conditions that maybe there was a real fear here on the ranches?

    ED ASHURST, NEIGHBOR OF ROB AND SUE KRENTZ: Rob Krentz told my son Everett about a year ago, his direct quote was, "Everett, somebody is going to get killed around here, and you need to make sure it isn't you."

    JENKINS: Ed, what do you think is the solution? What needs to happen here to solve this crisis?

    ASHURST: Number one, you have to seal the border. It has been done twice before. To say that it can't be done -- John Kennedy announced we could put a man on the moon in less than a decade, they did it. We whipped Hitler in World War II. You can seal the border. It's just they don't want to. That's the first thing.

    Then you need to do something to document the illegal aliens that are in the country and deal with that situation.

    And last but not least, you need to get a system in place where these poor people that are being abused by the current system that everybody wants to perpetuate can come across the line with some dignity and some rights, and not have to pay some coyote.

    JENKINS: What about you, Don? You mentioned the president, Obama, and Secretary Napolitano. If you had five minutes with them, what would you tell them is the answer to the -- the solution to the problem?

    DON KIMBLE, ARIZONA RANCHER: They need to seal the border first of all. And I think that's something we've all talked about. And to seal the border we need to put our forces on the border at the border fence. Our forces aren't on the border fence like they need to be.

    JENKINS: Last question, Ed. Do you guys support this SB-1070. Will that help things?

    ASHURST: It is not a total solution, but yes, it will help. We do support it. The current system that we have in play and what the current administration wants to do is doing nothing but perpetuating the misery of millions of people, and the crooks are getting rich doing it.


    VAN SUSTEREN: Two very important programming notes. Tomorrow night [Wednesday] Texas Governor Rick Perry will be here, live, to go "On the Record." And then on Thursday night, on the day the Arizona illegal immigration law goes into effect unless blocked by federal judge Susan Bolton, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer will be here.

    And don't miss Governor Perry tomorrow night, Governor Brewer on Thursday right here at 10:00 p.m. eastern.