I think we've never lived in a more partisan country. We've never -- the Civil War not included. That was bad. But maybe aside from that, I can't remember a time where it's been more partisan, more divisive and getting worse, and being done on purpose. The division happens on purpose. The media has aligned with Obama to defeat Republicans, to defeat conservatives. And Obama is all about that. That makes them his best friend, and vice versa.
VAN SUSTEREN: What happens in 2010? You mentioned 2010? I mean, not 2010, 2014.
LIMBAUGH: I have no idea because the -- if you look at 2010, that massive turnout and the vote, there wasn't a Republican on the ballot and there wasn't a singular Republican voice in electoral politics, I mean, that was articulating an agenda. There wasn't a potential presidential candidate that people were rallying around.
That 2010 vote was all anti-Obama. It was all anti-debt. It was all anti-health care. It was all anti-the Democrat Party. That's what's got them so bugged about what happened because there wasn't -- the people weren't voting for anything in 2010, they were simply saying, Ain't no way, no way, don't want any part of this. And so -- I expected that that same turnout would happen in 2012, and it didn't.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
LIMBAUGH: It sat home.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
LIMBAUGH: Well, that opens up a whole can of worms. That's -- that I think is illustrative of the problem the Republican Party that faces. The people that sat home, if you look at the polling data, it was mostly white Republican voters that stayed home, mostly conservative, dissatisfied with the Republican Party's rejection of conservatism, another nominee that they weren't excited about.
And it's amazing. Greta, you look at what happened in 2010, the Republican Party didn't even make an effort to capitalize on that! Here you have a national uprising in opposition to Barack Obama, and the Republicans acted like they didn't want any part of the Tea Party, either!
The consultants and the powers that be did everything they could to diminish the Tea Party. If I were the Republican Party, I would have embraced those people. I would have brought them into the fold and I would have done what I could to keep them as donors, as voters.
But the Republican Party had no desire. So -- and I think 2012 and the campaign -- some of those Republican voters felt that and saw it and said, OK, well, if you're not interested in our assistance and if you're not interested in what we think and our view of the country, we'll sit at home. To heck with it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, the Tea Party, if you actually talk to these Tea Party members, they're not kooks. I mean, they're airline pilots. They're shop keepers. They're family members. I mean, these are people with regular jobs, and yet they're demonized.
LIMBAUGH: Precisely! They're demonized because they don't understand the politics and they're not of Washington and they can't be controlled. They can't be nominated by the party.
Greta, There's a really unfortunate thing happening with the Republican Party. And it -- as a conservative, it appears to me the Republican Party is trying to push itself away from its conservative base on a number of issues.
And I -- it's been a very eye-opening thing for me. I always thought that, as Republicans, we oppose Democrats. We wanted to beat them. I don't see that. I don't see any pushback against anything Obama wants to do. The pushback's against the Tea Party. The pushback is against conservatives.
It's -- it's a stunning thing. The Republican Party has decided that capitulation with the Democrats seems to be the ongoing strategy. And by capitulation, I mean -- I had a guy call me yesterday, talking about this ongoing fight to defund "Obama care," continuing resolution fight, and so forth.
And he took -- this caller took the exact viewpoint of inside the Beltway Republicans, which is that might involve a government shutdown, and we can't shut down government because the country will hate us! And they cite 1995, and look what happened to Republicans after 1995. No, let's go ahead and let "Obama care" be fully implemented, and it will implode on itself and people will see how bad it is.
Well, that's not a strategy, that's capitulation! That's not even pushing back against it. Even if you don't have a chance to stop it, why not make a stand, tell people who you are, as Republicans, as conservatives? You've never had -- they've never had a greater chance to contrast who they are with liberal Democrats and what's happening now.
And instead of doing that, the Republican establishment seems to be going along with them -- "Obama care," immigration reform, amnesty, whatever it is. There's no disagreement. There's no pushback on it.
And I remember in 1992, people would tell me, Rush, let Clinton win. Let him win, and as people see how rotten the Democrats are and that will - - and I'm hearing the same thing now about "Obama care." Let this happen. The American people will -- we've never pulled an entitlement back once it's been implemented! Once it's there, it's there. And this is a huge one. This -- this changes the relationship -- "ObamaCare" does -- between citizen and government and state like nothing ever has.
Once they have this, health care is the way that they'll have legitimate -- (INAUDIBLE) it's constitutional -- control over every aspect of everybody's life because everything you do in your life has health care costs related to it! And it -- it -- they're going to be able to dictate what you eat, how you eat, where you eat, and what kind of health care you get or don't get as a result. I mean, that's the objective of it, is control, the elimination of individual liberty and freedom!
And there's no pushback on this! I'm just -- I'm sitting here stunned. Well -- and by the -- the government shutdown, argument two, is (INAUDIBLE) 1995, classic point. The Republicans won two seats in the Senate after the '95 budget shutdown and didn't lose that many seats in the House. In addition, because of the shutdown, they were able to set the table for policy that was good that came later, welfare reform that Clinton ultimately signed. The government shutdown was not a debacle for the Republicans in reality.
Now, it was on TV. It was in the media. The Republicans were accused of starving children. Remember that? Little kids in New Orleans are writing letters to Republicans, Please don't cut the school lunch program, I can't study if I'm hungry. Republicans -- there were no cuts in the school lunch program. There were actual increases. There were not just going to be increases as high, so they called it a cut.
VAN SUSTEREN: That's a Washington cut.
LIMBAUGH: It's a typical -- baseline budget cut. But the point is that the media portrayed this as a debacle and an absolute disaster for the Republicans, and Clinton cleaned Gingrich's clock. But in reality, the Republicans won two seats, set the stage for some pretty good things that happened policy-wise after that. It's not a debacle to shut down the government!
But here's the point. A majority of people oppose "ObamaCare," whatever poll you look at. Why does not the Republican Party want to embrace that? I mean, the Republican Party has got have a problem, right? They haven't won elections lately.
The majority of the American people don't want this. Why doesn't the Republican Party embrace them, bring them in and try to grow, have a -- at least come up with a way to reach out and attach themselves to these people, a majority of voters? Instead, they're capitulating with what the Democrats want, and not just on this but on -- on immigration, amnesty, whatever you want to call it.
And I swear, for the longest time, I didn't understand it because I was looking at it the wrong way.