• With: Rep. Darrell Issa

    This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," April 16, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Tonight, a public beating! The outrage over the GSA's colossal abuse of taxpayer money reaches Capitol Hill, Congress finally opening its eyes to what's going on. There was yelling and screaming about the GSA's lavish trips to Vegas, Hawaii and Palm Springs, all at the expense of you, the taxpayers. But then silence, the organizer of the $800,000-plus Vegas conference pleading the 5th!


    REP. DARRELL ISSA, R-CALIF., OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Neely, did you approve funding for the 2010 western regional conference?

    JEFFREY NEELY, GSA PACIFIC RIM REGION COMMISSIONER: Mr. Chairman, on the advice of my counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my 5th Amendment constitutional privilege.

    ISSA: Just a few more. Mr. Neely, was the original -- what was the original budget for that conference?

    NEELY: Mr. Chairman, on the advice of my counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my 5th Amendment constitutional privilege.

    ISSA: Mr. Neely, are you currently employed by the GSA as federal employee?

    NEELY: Mr. Chairman, on the advice of my counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my 5th Amendment constitutional privilege.


    VAN SUSTEREN: But Jeffrey Neely's stonewalling didn't stop lawmakers from giving him and other GSA officials a tongue lashing. Listen to this!


    REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, D-MD: Mr. Neely (INAUDIBLE) believe they were some sort of agency royalty, who used taxpayer funds to bankroll their lavish lifestyle. They disregarded one of the most basic tenets of government service. It's not your money, it's the taxpayers' money.

    REP. JOE WALSH, R-ILL.: And the $68,000 spent on yearbooks. Do you believe Mr. Neely thought that was his money?

    MARTHA JOHNSON, FORMER GSA ADMINISTRATOR: I don't know what he was thinking.

    WALSH: Do you think it's your money? Whose money is that?

    JOHNSON: It's the taxpayers' money.

    REP. JASON CHAFFETZ, R-UTAH: Ms. Johnson, can you tell me about Results.gov? You highlight it as one of the great accomplishments of the GSA. What does it do?

    JOHNSON: The Results.gov, among other on-line Web sites, allows federal government employees, as well as U.S. citizens, to look at and access data about their government.

    CHAFFETZ: So when I type in www.Results.gov, why does it come up blank?

    JOHNSON: I don't know, sir.

    CHAFFETZ: Mr. Robertson, you're the chief of staff.

    MICHAEL ROBERTSON, GSA CHIEF OF STAFF: I'm unfamiliar with the Results.gov Web site.

    CHAFFETZ: So you're citing -- now, this is the disconnect. You're the chief of staff, she's the former administrator, she cites it as one of just a handful of great accomplishments of the GSA, and you don't even know what it is?

    REP. TREY GOWDY, R-S.C.: The notion that you have to spend $800,000 to exchange ideas is laughable and perhaps criminal. And the part that galls me the most is the hypocrisy of GSA not even following its own damn rules! You are so quick to make everyone else follow the rules, and you can't follow your own rules!

    REP. MIKE KELLY, R-PENN.: I got to tell you, I cannot -- as a guy who's only been here 14 months, thank God some of us are here now because, apparently, you folks that have made a career out of spending taxpayer money have got some kind of a magic shield where you stay inside this bubble that allows you to do those things without absolutely any, any feeling of wrongdoing!


    VAN SUSTEREN: So did the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee get any answers? Chairman Darrell Issa joins us. Nice to see you, sir.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA, R-CALIF., HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: Well, thanks for having me on, Greta. And yes, we did get answers.

    VAN SUSTEREN: I was just listening -- I just want to make a comment about the congressman who just spoke, the one -- congressman who's only been here 14 months, talks about spending taxpayer money -- hard not to think it's that he misused ... He should have said stealing taxpayer money!

    ISSA: You're absolutely right. And Mike Kelly is a career car dealer, owns several car dealerships, understands a tough business that went through tough times. And he ran for Congress anyway because he felt there needed to be a change in Washington.

    And today, he heard the former administrator talk about bonuses as entitlements. He heard a series of those sort of misunderstandings. He saw that they had no answers to questions even from their own opening statements.

    VAN SUSTEREN: All right, when you talk about bonuses, last -- one other question I was going to ask you is that last year, the GSA debated whether to give Neely -- that's the man we saw in a suit -- of course, some of us may be more used to seeing him in a bathtub -- we'll get to that in a second -- a bonus for job performance. He was granted a $9,000 bonus over objection of one administrator, Susan Britta, but a $9,000 bonus.

    ISSA: Well, clearly, the administrator, the outgoing administrator, Ms. Johnson, doesn't understand that you don't have an entitlement and that when you have clear misconduct, when you have a strong suspicion of misspending and...

    VAN SUSTEREN: It's not misspending! You know what? It really isn't! It is so much more than that! Because you know -- look, I mean, like, here's a good example. David Foley, a GSA official who was captured on video joking about the agency spending at the 2010 conference. He said he did not know the over-the-top expenses were being paid for with government money! Now, who did he think was paying for that?

    ISSA: Well, clearly, what we know now is that Neely and others, in fact, stole money. They used money that had to be used personally, implied to some people that it was personal, but in fact, used the GSA credit cards for a number of expenses.

    The important thing here, though, is what you saw was existing people still on the full payroll either not answering questions or, in fact, answering them as though they did nothing wrong.

    This is part of the culture that every president inherits, that the reason we give political appointees the opportunity to work is they're supposed to bring about that kind of change, control and reform. And that's what hasn't happened in this agency for at least the last three years.

    VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Jeffrey Neely -- not only did he get a $9,000 bonus, he is still on the payroll. He's on leave, but he's still on the payroll...