THE FIVE

New immigration guidelines leave protections for 'dreamers'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 21, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: When President Trump took office, he ordered a major crackdown on illegal immigration. Today, his Homeland Security Department laid out the plans to implement his executive order, issuing new guidelines to agencies to tighten security at our border and to deport criminals in this country illegally. The changes would spare so-called dreamers, leaving protections in place for those who came here illegally as children. Here was the president on the implementation today. (START VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We have to have a safe country. We have to let people come in that are going to love the country. This is about love. This building is about love. And we have to have people coming in that are going to love the country, not people that are going to harm the country. And I think a lot of people agree with me on that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about the dreamers?

TRUMP: Were going to try to take care of the dreamers very, very well.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: Strong statements from the president. Mr. Trump that is consistent with his promises made during the campaign to make sure to kick out the people who offend and are criminal recidivists to not let them stay in the country but also specifying that dreamers would be taken care of. Dana, what do you think about the distinction on the position between this what he say now, the statement and the executive order and (inaudible)?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It is like the mulligan executive order. He gets another chance to make a first impression and I think this is going much better. Partly because now you have a secretary that is in place who can layout these guidelines and then will have the final order. The dreamers issue is a troubling one and interesting one.

During the campaign, there were some people from that were strict immigration restrictionist, I should say, immigration restrictionist who wanted the dreamers also be taken out of the country. That was an issue that President Trump as candidate sort of glossed over.

And then when he met with President Obama in that first meeting in the oval office, they were there, this was supposed to be like 30 minutes, they were there for 90 minutes, apparently President Obama talked to him about the dreamers in particular and said, can you please take a look at that, be kind and cautious in dealing with them.

And I think where President Trump ended up on this is where the majority of the country will be able to support him on it. And I don't think there will be as much controversy as there had been for the last month.

GUILFOYLE: It's been a tough issue in the past for previous presidents and republicans who have tried to struggle with putting forward a strong immigration program to protect borders while still respecting those who have been here.

PERINO: And they were brought here as children. They didn't break the law personally. They are here. They've been educated here. Their families are here. The question is, can their parents stay here?

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: The answer is probably going to be yes. GUILFOYLE: Greg, welcome back to the program. GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Thank you. It's a pleasure being here. Why can't we all be dreamers? I don't understand why like we are -- like we are identifying a specific group of people as dreamers. I have dreams too.

PERINO: Good marketing.

GUTFELD: It is really good but I have -- there are some things that I dream about doing.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Nobody (inaudible). GUILFOYLE: Those are inappropriate and also not going to happen.

GUTFELD: I know.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: That is my dream.

PERINO: (inaudible).

GUTFELD: But that's true, why can't I -- if it's my dream, why can't it be mine? But I think you can pull two ideas simultaneously. Cable television thinks you can't. But you can, you can embrace immigration and realize that this country does attract the best, people who take risks tend to be people who invent things and make the world a better place. But we also attract the worst.

People want to come here and dismantle what makes this country special. What makes this country special, which is our freedom, is what encourages people to come here. So you see how they're intertwined. You've got to focus on the bad to preserve the good. And I'm hoping that we see this evolution where we look at borders and national security in the era of ISIS as the same thing.

It is a safety net that protects us. Liberals talk about sanctuary cities. Well, maybe were are liberals. We are thinking bigger. We are calling it a sanctuary country. Where if you come here, you are guaranteed safety from the bad people around the world. It is a sanctuary country. It requires borders, natural security, and the willingness to do some serious (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: So, Eric, this is, you know, people really have been anticipating that this is a big central focus of his campaign, a part of the movement, people really want to focus on borders and immigration and making sure that those that have committed crimes are deported and that they stay out in that revolving door. What do you think so far?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Very extensive executive order.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: I'm reading through it. And a couple of things that they hit on, number one, hiring immediately -- hiring 5,000 new border agents, 5,000 (inaudible), another 500 air and sea agents as well. Funding for the actual physical borders in here as well, enforcing the law, cooperation between ICE and local municipalities so that they start -- I think.

GUILFOYLE: You need that connectivity.

BOLLING: It addresses it but it doesn't define it yet. What is interesting is they didn't exactly say what are they are going to do with sanctuary city municipality that harbors illegals who are there. It doesn't really spell it out for me. But the one I think is really interesting is identifying and quantifying sources of aid to Mexico.

So, in other words, if we don't like what's going on here, there are some several, tens of billions of dollars in aid to Mexico in various forms that they may consider holding back or at least tying to some of the enforcement.

I think this is very, very extensive, very good but as Dana points out, some of the dreamer stuff, I mean the prioritizing of who gets deported and who doesn't is somewhat addressed but not like spelled out completely. And again, what were going to do with sanctuary cities? I would like to see that a little bit further spelled out.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, does this work a little bit better for you in terms of specifics? And also the focus of this will not, you know, do further harm to the dreamers that are here.

BECKEL: Can I just say one thing before we start? After yesterday, I received over 1,000 tweets from people out there that were negative. I expect that. I've used to it. I'm a big boy. Whoever said something about my daughter, let me tell you punk, don't ever, ever bring my family into this. If you have the guts to do it on twitter, have the guts to come see me. Now, I think that the -- a fool -- (inaudible). So, I think it is kind of comprehensive. BOLLING: Did you just call out one twitter person.

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: . in the audience?

BECKEL: (inaudible) my daughter.

BOLLING: Listen, I agree families are off limits, but.

BECKEL: (inaudible).

BOLLING: We all get.

BECKEL: You don't get (inaudible). I think that the -- I think first of all the -- neither George Bush nor Barack Obama, when you talk about catch and release, there was -- according to the DHS anyway, there was never one who was a murderer or rapist who was picked up or released. There are a lot of people who were picked up and released, but not hardcore criminal. That's one.

Two, I think if you look at this order and you go through it extensively, it really does open up the possibility of getting say, you know, 10 million people that fall into that category. The question is, who's going to pay for all this? This is $50, $100 billion. The other thing about the wall is 600-some odd miles of the wall in the last three years, 9,752 people were over that wall in the United States. So it's a waste, fundamental -- excuse me.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I have a follow-up question.

BECKEL: . fundamental waste of money and they are never going to build it.

GUTFELD: It's 1,900 miles by the way.

GUILFOYLE: Okay.

GUTFELD: My question about it is how do you deal with the eminent domain thing? That's the thing I don't.

BECKEL: It's not going to happen, Greg. It's not going to happen. GUTFELD: I mean, how do you address that?

BECKEL: Other administrations had.

BOLLING: Yeah, they have addressed it. He said from the very beginning he was going to use eminent domain to build this border wall.

GUTFELD: But he lost without one woman (inaudible). BECKEL: The government has lost about ten people, ranchers. They're not gonna do it.

GUILFOYLE: All right. This issue was covered as well in the press conference today with Press Secretary Sean Spicer, filled in questions on the new immigration earlier. He was asked if mass deportation was one of the administration's goals.

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SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not at all.

SPICER: I think what we have to get back to his understanding a couple things. There's a law in place that says, you know, if you are in this country illegally that we have an obligation to make sure that the people who are in our country are here legally.

What the order sets out today is to ensure that the million or so people that have been adjudicated already, that there's -- that ICE prioritizes -- creates a system of prioritization, and make sure that -- that we walk through that system in a way that protects this country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Okay, so what's wrong with that? These are people who already had an adjudication. There has been due process provided, given any determination made, Eric, so the next step is it actually needs to be enforced. You take the position of the people who have already had adjudication and then there's removal. What's wrong with that? BOLLING: I don't see anything wrong with it. Specifically Sean Spicer was asked, will there be a mass deportation force? He specifically said absolutely not. BECKEL: That was the question? Force, right?

BOLLING: Force and also will there be mass deportation. He said no. He said no, that's not what the plan is. If you read prioritizing criminal prosecutions for immigration which is exactly what Sean Spicer was talking about, he talks about removing the criminal aliens first.

BECKEL: (inaudible) next category, next category, next category.

BOLLING: Public reporting of border apprehension data.

BECKEL: Also say anybody who has broken the law that is in this country falls into this category. Not prioritized, I agree. The ones who are least likely to be a problem are down near the bottom, but they are all under this order. And that means, if you want to get rid of 10 million people, it's going to cost you --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: You said there haven't been anyone who committed serious crimes that were released, caught and released, but there have been many aliens who have been released who committed massive numbers of crimes, violent crimes. Murder, rape, kidnapping.

GUILFOYLE: Violent felony.

BECKEL: If they were caught then they were sent back home. BOLLING: Not always. Yes, they were sent back home, and then they come back in.

GUILFOYLE: They come back in.

BECKEL: Do you think that's going to stop here?

BOLLING: No, I don't think it's gonna stop, but I think what will happen is when you put the border wall up and you put 5,000 additional border agents on the border, they will apprehend them at the border. GUILFOYLE: You're not going to have people coming back into murder innocents like Kate Steinle.

GUTFELD: What is chilling is like when it's a risk. Okay, so when the media -- when you're discussing security, the media focuses on the isolated cases where it is unfairly performed like the weeping mother being taken away. That's what they focus on. They don't focus on the cases where people are harmed by illegal alien fugitive felons. They don't do that. Instead they cherry pick the cases where oh, my God. This is what security does. BECKEL: (inaudible) on that and find out about how wrong you are? There are more stories about people who are illegals who come in here.

GUTFELD: Why should I run (inaudible).

BECKEL: (inaudible) and give it to you.

GUTFELD: Okay, thank you, it will never happen.

BECKEL: It will.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, this is specifying people who are criminal offenders, people who are repeat offenders.

BECKEL: That's the start, that's it.

GUILFOYLE: I understand that. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with enforcing the existing laws that are on the books in this country. This is about the rule of law and respecting it which makes it clear for everybody else. We know what the rules are and they are followed. BECKEL: You are not going to get your bed mate at your hotel. GUILFOYLE: Oh, really? How rude and racist is that statement? BECKEL: Go ahead and see.

GUTFELD: I don't like getting my bed made at the hotel. GUILFOYLE: You don't like getting out of bed.

(LAUGHTER) BOLLING: I mean, there is really nothing that's out of the ordinary with the exception of the border wall and may be looking at some of the funding we give to Mexico. This is pretty much the standard immigration law that we have in place. It just means enforcing the current law. BECKEL: I think in fairness to Bush and Obama, they did what they could do to enforce the law. You didn't like the release thing for certain people and I think there probably -- there were people who were released who became hardened criminals. I agree with that. But.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: . you are talking about 10 million people and it's impossible to do it.

GUILFOYLE: Dana.

PERINO: In addition to the issue -- I think there will be a deterrent effect so then maybe people that were thinking about coming over illegally decide maybe it's not worth the risk. But I also think that what this doesn't deal with yet, I don't think, unless I missed something, is that there still needs to be more to address visa overstays. That's where you have the largest number of people who are here illegally. They came here, maybe they were on a legal visa, and then they stayed. And how do you find them? GUILFOYLE: People who come on a tourist visa and stay. Go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: I should say, you know, listening to Bob, everybody protesting about this should take in at least one illegal fugitive in their home. Even if you have kids, you should make room for these innocent strangers because from your perspective, every single person that is here that is illegal is innocent and a victim of evil Trump. So if you feel that way, maybe take them into your home.

BECKEL: I've never taken one in my own view.

GUTFELD: Well, your definition is quite broad.

GUILFOYLE: We are just getting started. Today, President Trump addressed a wave of recent anti-semitic incidents targeting Jewish institutions across the country. His strong condemnation next.

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BOLLING: Welcome back. We want to turn now to the horrendous anti-semitic incidents going on across the country. At least 11 Jewish community centers have been targets of bomb threats this week. In Missouri yesterday, vandals toppled more than 100 tombstones at a Jewish cemetery. President Trump condemned the anti-semitic actions following his tour of the African- American history museum in Washington earlier today. (START VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: This tour is a meaningful reminder of why we have to fight bigotry, intolerance, and hatred in all of its very ugly forms. The anti-semitic threats targeting our Jewish community and community centers are horrible and are painful and a very sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. As far as the president is concerned, can the left stop with the fake news that he is an anti-Semite? Ivanka Trump, the president's daughter, whom he adores is Jewish converted by an orthodox Jewish rabbi. The conversion recognized by the top rabbinical council in Israel. Her husband, Jared Kushner, is a very senior advisor and confidante of Donald Trump, very senior. Please, can we make this fake news story just go away. Bob, so the president addressed two types of hate, anti-Semitism and also bigotry and whatnot. BECKEL: I thought it was a very good statement and I'm glad he did it. He's the one who has to do it and I'm glad he led the way. I give him a lot of credit for it. And you're right about his daughter and I don't believe he's an anti-Semite. I don't think folks on the left do either. But the one question I have for you is last year, the year before that and the year before that, these things didn't happen. Why are they happening now? GUTFELD: Can I answer that?

BOLLING: Because he won?

GUTFELD: I think -- okay. When these incidents are covered, the media jumps to their own assumptions about this. No, no, no, I'm going to -- somebody has to talk about the fact that in the last three or four months, there have been a lot of hate crimes that have turned out to be not what they seem to be. When you can get attention for doing something, you do it.

And I do think that the media fans the flames. There have been -- how many times that we covered a hate crime that turns out to be a hoax? This could be somebody who's doing it for one reason or another. We don't know. I'll give you this. It's important for every group to police the freaks on their side, left or right. If you are a modern Muslim, you should be policing your radical Muslims. And if you have right-wing racist or left-wing racist, because let's not forget, the left practically applauded writing in Berkeley.

BOLLING: You watch enough cable news and you see what's going on in some of the left-leaning print media, they are calling Trump an anti-Semite and yet these people are -- these hoaxes are targeting Jewish community centers. How could he be an anti-Semite if they are threatening to blow these places?

GUILFOYLE: I mean, they want to, you know, blame Friday on him, that, you know, Friday follows Thursday. It doesn't matter. Whatever it is, they are going to find some way to attribute and tie it back into him. But this I think, I mean, yes, there is hoax and this is a very serious and grave concern to me. Religious freedom and liberty is so important.

It's one of the components of our country, what we were founded on and what are our forefathers fought for. It's disturbing to me that 60 percent of religious crimes that are committed are against people in the Jewish unity. It's something to be taken very seriously.

BOLLING: Hang in there for one second. We also have a sound bite of Keith Ellison who wants to be the democratic national committee chairman, who has been a big supporter of Louis Farrakhan. Listen.

(START VIDEO CLIP) KEITH ELLISON, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE FOR MINNESOTA'S 5TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: The United States foreign policy in the Middle East is governed by what is good or bad through a country of 7 million people. A region of 350 million all turns on a country of 7 million. Does that make sense? Is that logic? Right? When the Americans who trace their roots back to those 350 million get involved, everything changes. Can I say that again?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on Keith Ellison's shot of being at DNC chair.

PERINO: Well, so this week there's going to be a debate for the DNC chair and he's certainly one of them. He has strong support from some places but in other places in particular the Jewish immunity it has dropped off and understandably so. The vigilance for religious tolerance is something that every president can set the groundwork for early on. So I think the statement today by President Trump was a good one. You remember also to Greg's point about the copycat issue. Several years ago, there were nooses found.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: . in trees and it kept getting attention and there was more of it. And I think one of things that President Trump can do to sort of back up his words today is to instruct the intelligence community and law enforcement to work together with local police department to try to figure out who is doing it because if it's just one person, that would actually be easier. If it's bigger than that, that would be good to know.

BECKEL: It's just for the record. These are 11 reported crimes of police and 11 places across the country. The president wouldn't raise them if they weren't real. They're real and.

GUTFELD: I'm just trying -- Bob.

BECKEL: Don't blame it on the left. GUTFELD: Bob, what I am trying to say is I've been following these incidents since they started, even before. A lot of them unfortunately are done for attention seeking purposes. I don't know if that's the case here, but we have -- excuse me, we have to address the possibility that that's the case and when the media goes up and reports it, they've got to understand that at certain times they fanned the flames. BOLLING: Bob, is Ellison an anti-Semite? BECKEL: I think he's -- the borderline is not he's not gonna be chairman.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: He shouldn't be elected.

(CROSSTALK) BOLLING: If you are willing.

BECKEL: Is Bannon anti-Semite? BOLLING: (inaudible) that sign to Trump with the Trump administration but you better.

GUTFELD: Ellison has strong competition from Louis Farrakhan, so we'll see what happens.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible).

BOLLING: Next, a dangerous gang member freed from jail last week killed a cop and wounded another yesterday. He has repeatedly violated the terms of his probation. He never should have been out on the streets. Greg has more on this when we return.

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GUTFELD: California police officer Keith Boyer was shot and killed in Whittier Monday by recently paroled gang member. The police chief blamed laws which allowed the early release of thugs by classifying felonies as lesser crimes. Here is the anguished Whittier police chief now:

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JEFF PIPER, WHITTIER, CALIFORNIA POLICE CHIEF: We need to wake up. Enough is enough. You're passing these proposition, you're creating these laws. It is raising crime. It is not good for our communities and it is not good for officers.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUTFELD: According to the lieutenant in charge of the investigation, the suspect had a long rap sheet but was paroled from jail a week or so ago. My guess it's the likely excuse of overcrowding. It's odd that when faced with too many felons, the instinct is not to build more prisons, but let the felons go. Besides killing Officer Boyer and shooting another officer, the 26-year-old gang member killed his cousin and stole his vehicle which he later crashed. Look at those tattoos.

Officer Boyer was responding to that accident. It's a tragic reminder that actions have consequences: Release a thug into a community and innocent people get hurt and some of our very best die. Actually, the criminals aren't just the freed monsters but those who freed them. If they knowingly slid those metal doors open and freed the fiend and assumed you could bear the risk, then sanctuary state my ass.

Talk about preposterous priorities. Their infrastructure is literally crumbling. They can't house their bad guys. They got this huge gang problem. But they have the money to hire Eric Holder to resist Trump's immigration enforcement? Talk about dreamers. They need to wake up.

K.G., this guy, Michael whatever -- the murderer.

GUILFOYLE: Mejia.

GUTFELD: Mejia cycled in and out of jail repeatedly, had violated terms of his release. What do you make of this?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, so the information of the sheriff's department...

GUTFELD: Look at that face.

GUILFOYLE: ... has released. Right. Well, you know, when you look at his face, actually look at it, because what it shows you is this someone is a repeat criminal, criminal recidivist, violent felon who's actually been to state prison versus county. And you know how you know? You can see by the gang -- the markings on his face, the tattoos. The marking under the eye. This is somebody who's been in a very serious facility. So I look at that photo, and I say this guy has been in, like, a maximum security prison.

And I look at the release. Guess what? Yes, he was. Pelican Bay State Prison, which is one of the worst prisons for the most serious, violent offenders. He comes right out of there and commits another offense.

This is somebody that under, now, the current system would not be allowed to be here and to return. And that is one of their big points that we're making. Do you want to see that face gunning down someone you love? Because that type of individual has it purely just soaked into him and is going to get out and reoffend. And he did this.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, with all the studies on it, it's so disturbing. And can you imagine the police officer's family members saying this could have and should have been prevented by actually enforcing the rule of law that's on the books as we live and breathe today? The same rule of law that was here under President Obama.

GUTFELD: I think the chief was referring to Bill 109, which is -- which was enacted to reduce prison overcrowding. What's the -- why not just build more prisons? It's an industry. It creates jobs. They're releasing piranha fish into a fish tank.

PERINO: Well, you realize, though, that the actual public debate doesn't center around that. It's more right now, and there's bipartisan agreement for it, that there's an over-criminalization...

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: ... and that the prisons are too crowded because their -- the laws are too strict, especially when it comes to drug enforcement. So the war on drugs, that as -- and it's not just a war on drugs. But that is one of the arguments.

And you actually do have bipartisan agreement on that point, but that's where this debate is going to get bogged down, is in something like this, because then you have the specifics of where do you draw the line. Something like this, you would think why would you ever let him out? But under this debate that we have ongoing, I think you're going to see more of it.

GUTFELD: Yes, and Eric, it's a cliche, but every stop could be the last one. The guy was stopping to help this guy, because nobody was going to give him a ride.

BOLLING: This table is going to hate me. Every viewer is probably going to hate me right now, but this is one of those guys that probably should have been -- I mean, look, he's nonviolent, non-serious, non-sex offender. Yes, he violated terms of his parole four separate times, but none of them seemed to be violent crimes or anything that -- that would have landed him in jail behind bars. I've got to say, on this one, yes, unfortunately, the fifth or...

GUILFOYLE: He's a documented street gang member. You don't go to Pelican Bay State Prison for any, like...

GUTFELD: Robbery.

GUILFOYLE: ... simple, random, non...

BOLLING: According to this, it says he was on probation under Assembly Bill 109 for nonviolent offenders. He allegedly -- it was non-violent, non-sex and non-serious crime.

GUTFELD: They reduced the felons, though. He was -- grand theft auto and robbery, those are serious.

GUILFOYLE: Those are violent felonies. They're violent, serious felonies. Robbery is. There's like -- there's no way around that. So this -- no, this person isn't someone who should have been suitable. And AB 109 obviously is a problem. This is what happens.

GUTFELD: Bob, what do you think?

BECKEL: You know, I obviously don't think he should have been released, but they're -- there's roots to this. It goes back to the original three strikes and you're out...

GUTFELD: Right.

BECKEL: ... where they're sending -- under the Reagan administration, where they -- if you -- three times you're arrested, you were stuffed into prison; you weren't allowed to get out. A lot of nonviolent drug offenders are in there, and so they're taking jail cells from guys like this, who should stay in there.

The other thing I'll say is that that law was passed because the appellate division ordered California to stop overcrowding, and the overwhelming number of those people on that particular appellate were Republican.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is also specifically a realignment from federal parole agents to monitor him to local, which is, like, a local probation officer who has, like, tens of thousands of cases. That's not someone who's going to properly supervise somebody like this.

BECKEL: You can't go -- the courts order, the courts order. What are you going to do?

GUTFELD: Anyway, Officer Boyer was known for his willingness to help, and that's how he died at age 53.

GUILFOYLE: God bless him.

GUTFELD: Next, we're going to go live to Jacksonville, Florida, where FOX's Martha MacCallum is gearing up to moderate a big town hall tonight on immigration. There she is. We'll get a preview ahead.

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PERINO: Americans remain greatly divided over President Trump's immigration agenda. In a short while from now, Martha MacCallum will be talking to some folks on all sides of this heated debate. She's moderating a live town hall on "The First 100 Days" down in Jacksonville, Florida, at 7 p.m. Eastern tonight, and she joins us now with a preview.

Martha, set us up for tonight. What can we expect? I know you're going to be talking to the mayor of Miami.

MARTHA MACCALLUM, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, there, Dana.

You know, when we originally started the "First 100 Days" program, we said we were going to go out especially to places that were pivotal in the election in November and talk to people about how satisfied they are. You know, they voted for Donald Trump. How they feel he's doing; what do they think about his priorities. And clearly, immigration has been one of those big priorities.

We will have the mayor of Miami-Dade County, who was one of the first to really step out in front and say that he would basically turn around the sanctuary city status of Miami-Dade County. And that got him a lot of backlash. So we're going to talk to him about how concerned he is about that backlash and if he's sticking by his decision.

PERINO: All right. Kimberly, do you have a question for Martha?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I do. So, you know, we were talking at the table about how you go about preparing, you know, for one of these town halls in terms of the audience composition and how you go about getting them to come and to participate. I think the viewers might like to know that.

MACCALLUM: You know, we have 200 people. We had a sort of scout team down here that rounded up a number of people. We also have people who have a close association with the issue. We have a wounded warrior veteran that's going to be with us tonight. We have immigration attorneys who will be in the audience.

So besides, you know, just sort of people from the area, we also have people who have been closely identified with this movement against immigration. So you'll see, you know, sort of professionals mixed in with regular folks. We have a woman and her daughter who are from the Jacksonville area who lived in San Francisco. And as you well know, Kimberly, what life is like there in terms of being in a sanctuary city.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

MACCALLUM: So I think it's going to be a really good mix of people talking about, as I said, how satisfied they are or unsatisfied they are so far with their vote.

BECKEL: Martha...

PERINO: Bob Beckel.

BECKEL: If -- I assume you get to ask the questions here, so I want to ask if you'd do me a favor. Ninety percent of all the undocumented people in the United States are workers now. They work. It's nine million something. Now, if they all go away, who's going to take their place? Would you ask -- is there a chance to ask these people if they'd be willing to take some of these jobs?

MACCALLUM: Yes. I mean, I know Steve Harrigan did some reporting down here for us during the course of this week; and there are places and farms where there's no one to pick the crops that are grown, and that is an issue. I think, you know, whether or not you can convince some American workers to take over those jobs or whether you eventually have some immigration reform and allow people to be able to work those jobs in, you know, a working arrangement that could eventually lead to citizenship. So you know, the big picture on reform, Bob, is what your question really goes to, but it's important one. And yes, we will talk about that tonight.

BECKEL: Eric picked the oranges before.

PERINO: Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: I just want to take issue with your 90 percent number.

But Martha, nonetheless, I noticed that you have Stephen Miller, White House advisor, on the show. That will be very interesting.

So I went through this executive order that they put out and the actions. It looks almost like current law. Maybe we can just distinguish what's different that -- with their executive order versus what the current law is. Or are they just enforcing current law with the exception of adding that border?

MACCALLUM: Yes. You know, on the new memo that went out today, I think you're absolutely right, and we've talked about that quite a bit. They are enforcing current law with this homeland security memo, the executive order that has to do with the border that went out today. So they don't really have to pass anything new in order -- and also, as you well know, Eric, the ICE agents and the Border Patrol are going to get 10,000 more individuals, 5,000 more individuals respectively, to help them do their jobs. And they have felt, by and large, that they've been liberated to actually do their job under the course of this administration so far.

So those agencies are energized by this memo today, and we know that Secretary Kelly is determined to this job. And so far, you know, he's not had to step out of any bounds in terms of passing any new law to start doing that.

PERINO: The last question to Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: Martha, your show is called "100 Days." Doesn't it already feel like 100 days?

MACCALLUM: It's like, oh, what are we, day 72? Day 70 -- no. I think we're at day 31.

GUTFELD: Yes, day 31.

MACCALLUM: After the weekend I always have to do a recount in my head, but day 31. Yes, it's amazing, isn't it? It's been a fire h

GUTFELD: Yes.

MACCALLUM: I mean, it's been just a firehose of activity, and it has kept us busy. That's for sure. So we hope we're going to -- you know, we're going to last to 100 days. He's going to exhaust everyone.

PERINO: We'll get there. And I am -- Peter -- Peter is watching at home. Could you make sure to DVR Martha's show, because I've got to walk home? I don't know if I'll get there in time. Because I don't want to miss it.

MACCALLUM: Yes, get that remote out, Peter.

PERINO: Thanks so much. We'll be watching.

All right. Don't miss "The First 100 Days" at 7 p.m. tonight. Coming up, is there such a thing as Trump trauma? Bob says he has a bad case of it. We'll see if it's curable, next.

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BECKEL: Many Americans like myself are greatly concerned about the future of our country. In particular are turning out in droves to protest our new president and his frightening policies. I will say this. There are a number of people who do like them, although those aren't very happy. Here's Howard Dean's assessment.

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HOWARD DEAN, FORMER DNC CHAIR: I'm betting what happens is these young people who have been traumatized by Trump's election, because it was essentially a reneging on every single value that somebody in this country under 35 had. They were shocked. I think they're coming out in 2018...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you have to look at...

DEAN: ... which they did not do in 2014.

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BECKEL: It's not just young people, Howard. A lot of people are traumatized by this. And believe me, the Republicans are going to pay for it, to use Donald Trump's word, big league, come in 2018.

You think they're going to pay, Eric?

BOLLING: No. Twenty-five senators are up in 2018. Ten of them are up in states that Trump won. Some of them he won by 35 and 40 percent. Good luck, North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri. Claire McCaskill, Trump won by 18 and a half percent. I mean, you have -- Democrats have to defend a ton of Senate seats. The Senate is wildly -- it's probably going to get even better for him. In the House, that's a done deal.

BECKEL: When was the last time time after an election..

BOLLING: However, can I just point something out? All those young people who are complaining. We talked about this quite a bit. They should have come out and voted.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: They should have gotten out. If you're so upset, get out there and vote.

GUILFOYLE: This is so -- what a bunch of babies. Life is hard, Bob, right?

BECKEL: Oh, gee. I know.

GUILFOYLE: It is. And so people are just, like, complaining, crybabies, snowflakes about everything. For what?

BECKEL: I don't know. Go ask those homeless guys around the corner.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Bob. You know what?

BECKEL: All right, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: But the majority of us are lucky enough to be able to work hard, try to earn what we want to get in life or to provide for our families; and half of these people didn't even vote. I mean, that's the problem.

BECKEL: There's an awful lot of millennials who are working, by the way.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BECKEL: Also the biggest generation the country; they'll do fine.

GUILFOYLE: OK, well, look, I'm a single mom. I work hard.

BECKEL: We may have screwed it up, but they -- I don't think they will.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not looking for a handout.

BOLLING: And what makes you think they're in generally -- in disapproval with Trump? I mean...

BECKEL: Well, you just look at -- I know you don't buy polls.

BOLLING: I don't buy polls. I don't buy polls.

BECKEL: Because one time it was off.

BOLLING: One time. Eighteen months in a row.

BECKEL: Fourteen percent of the people, according to Pew, who voted for Trump wouldn't vote for him again.

BOLLING: Eighteen months.

GUTFELD: What were the words that he -- what did Howard Dean use? When he said they were traumatized?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: It's an interesting word, because like, if you think about, like, honor killings or you think about mass rape, you know, based on women guilty of adultery, or gays persecuted...

GUILFOYLE: Sharia law.

GUTFELD: ... I mean, that's -- I would use the frame traumatized with actions, but not by bluster or words by a politician. I think this is an attempt by a liberal -- they're trying to throw everything at Donald Trump and to create chaos and failure.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: But the problem is it's a critical error, because that's what he's used to, and he functions best when he's under attack. So the more you do this, the more it just helps them.

BECKEL: Well, it ain't going to stop.

GUILFOYLE: The New York Times said that today, too, right? The people that are just -- the lefties crying...

GUTFELD: Traumatized.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, saying they're traumatized. Making moderate conservatives, the moderates move towards Trump.

BECKEL: Well, go look at millennials. A lot of them around.

GUTFELD: Traumatized. How could you be traumatized? Oh, words.

BECKEL: It's also Howard Dean, keep that in mind. OK?

BOLLING: You said it.

GUILFOYLE: You just agreed with us.

BECKEL: No. I don't agree with what he said. Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. I can't.

PERINO: I would just point out that wave elections usually happen in the first midterm of any president. I think 2002 was different because of 9/11, and the country was headed -- well at war with Afghanistan and about to go to war with Iraq.

So any president should be doing what President Trump is already doing which is already thinking about how to shore up and make sure that that doesn't happen to him, as well. But it did happen to Reagan. It happened to Bill Clinton. It happened to George H.W. Bush, and it happened to Obama. So the pattern is there, and he could defy odds again.

I would point out, and I don't want to get into an argument about this, but the 2016 national polls were actually more accurate than the 2012 national polls. The state polls were terrible, though.

BECKEL: The -- I'd be curious to see how many people are willing to have Reagan -- I mean, Trump campaign with them. We'll see.

All right. "One More Thing" is up next!

GUTFELD: Oy, vey.

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GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Eric, what do you have?

BOLLING: OK, can I just clarify two things that Bob said? So my new "One More Thing" is going to be clarifying stuff that Bob said during the show.

It was three strikes you're out was Bill Clinton, not Ronald Reagan's program, federally. And 90 percent of illegals working, it's actually 71 percent. But all in all, off by 20 percent.

PERINO: That was the original purpose of "One More Thing." Do you remember?

BOLLING: Yes, it was.

PERINO: Yes. To clarify Bob.

BOLLING: OK, so can we do this very quickly?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, joy.

BOLLING: If you look at The Wall Street Journal today, page 83, there's a great story about how crime rates are start -- they've been very flat in many, many cities in the country. However, in these four cities, the murder rates -- OK, the rates, not just numbers -- are rising. Chicago, the highest since '96. Milwaukee, the highest since '95. Memphis is soaring, highest since '85. And down here, Baltimore at highest since 1970. And that's basically due to gang wars, which Greg pointed out in the A block, and the crack trade, as well. So crime -- murder rates are actually rising in these four cities. Still low in L.A. and New York, though.

BECKEL: Is it my turn? OK, we have competing boards. I have the little one.

GUILFOYLE: Wow, yours is small.

BECKEL: I used to listen to Eric and Kimberly talk about how much -- Greg -- how much golf Obama played. Let me just show you. Obama had his first golf round in April.

BOLLING: To the camera.

BECKEL: April 20.

GUILFOYLE: You just erased part of your board.

BECKEL: Excuse me. And Donald Trump so far has had three -- or he's played six rounds of golf. It's cost us $10 million to send that boy down to play golf. And on top of that, it costs us $500,000 a day for security for his wife.

Now, you wonder about Obama, it was 60-some days in. Trump didn't even wait a week. So let's just try to get some clarity to this. The guy is a golfer. He's not a president.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he does have excellent company that he golfs with. He was with Rory McIlroy this weekend.

BECKEL: Good.

GUILFOYLE: Go Irish. All right. Dana.

PERINO: Or go home. Or something like that.

I have a new thing. It's time for this.

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PERINO: Dana's Reading Assignment.

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GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

PERINO: Because I was driving everybody crazy, because I keep emailing everyone. I e-mail it to Greg. I e-mail it to Bob. I e-mail it to my husband. Reading assignment. Commentary magazine, this essay is getting a lot of attention. It's by Nicholas Eberstadt. It's called "Our Miserable 21st Century" and it's talking about the economic conditions that we are facing since the year 2000 and how different it is from the post-World War II economy. You can find it on our Facebook page. We'll provide a link.

One of the stats, that nearly half of all prime working age male labor force dropouts -- that's an army of about 7 million men -- currently take pain medication on a daily basis. Twenty-one percent of them are on Medicaid. And of the entire unworking prime age -- there's a lot of statistics here. Nearly 3/5 were reportedly collecting disability benefits from one or more government disability program in 2013. So you can see from this article the decline.

BOLLING: Can I add one? You sent me that piece. There's another one in there, working men dropping out of the workforce, full-time going part- time. Massive numbers.

PERINO: So that's your reading assignment.

BECKEL: ... administration.

GUILFOYLE: All right. And fantastic happy baby news. Friends of all of ours over at NBC today show. Look at sweet Hoda, and that is her brand-new baby girl. She announced today that she's welcomed a new baby girl named Haley Joy through adoption, born on Valentine's Day. Here's how Hoda reacted on "Today."

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HODA KOTB, HOST, NBC'S "THE TODAY SHOW" (via phone): I never, ever imagined that I could feel this kind of -- it's like a warm hand on my heart. Like, she's leaning up against me, and it feels like it's the only way it should feel. I'm so -- I'm over the moon.

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GUILFOYLE: So sweet. We're super happy for her. WE love them. And, you know, Hoda is going to make an amazing, amazing mother.

Greg.

GUTFELD: All right. Speaking of.

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GUTFELD: Greg's Lindsay Lohan News.

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GUTFELD: She was on "Good Morning Britain," a TV show, where she claimed at Heathrow Airport she was racially profiled when they asked her to take off her headscarf.

I just want to point out that religion is not a race. OK? So let's remember that. OK? And also I demand proof that this actually happened. Because I don't believe it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. OK, set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" next.

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