Clinton, Trump square off in commander-in-chief forum

The concept of a dangerous world, and what it requires to defend this country seems lost among generations cocooned in bonus rooms, attached to Xboxes and iPhones


This is a rush transcript from "Special Report with Bret Baier," September 8, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Mr. Eric Bolling and Meghan McCain --"The Five."

Last night Matt Lauer grilled Hillary and Donald like dates stuffed with blue cheese wrapped in bacon. There Hillary's e-mail trials stuck to her like toilet paper on a shoe.


JON LESTER, FORMER NAVAL FLIGHT OFFICER LIEUTENANT: As a naval flight officer, I held the top secret sensitive compartmentalized information clearance and that provided me access to materials and information highly sensitive to our war-fighting capabilities. Had I communicated this information not following prescribed protocols, I would have been prosecuted and imprisoned.


GUTFELD: Hmm, someone get a bag of ice because that stung. Then there was this:


HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We are not putting ground troops into Iraq ever again. And we're not putting ground troops into Syria. We're going to defeat ISIS without committing American ground troops.


GUTFELD: Once again, she happily tells ISIS all the stuff we won't do to stop ISIS. Hey, Hillary, why not tell them your Netflix passwords while you're at it? Oh, wait, that's too important. Speaking of:


CLINTON: I have been very clear about the necessity for doing whatever is required to move the VA into the 21st century.

We're living in a technological world. You cannot tell me we can't do a better job getting that information.


GUTFELD: So Hillary lectures us on technology. This, from a woman who's BlackBerries were smashed with hammers to get rid of sensitive e-mails. That's like breaking a thermometer to stop a heatwave. F

Finally, she said no one died in Libya, which is debatable. Not a great night for Captain Pantsuit. But Trump didn't leave unscathed, either contradicting previous statements he made on Iraq and Libya. And then there's this on Putin:


DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, he does have an 82 percent approval rating according to the different pollsters.


GUTFELD: Yes, the ones still alive. Yes, 82 percent approval is amazing -- in that it's so low. When Putin's critics have shorter life spans than your average may fly, the fact that 18 percent are still critical of him is pretty astonishing. But Trump has a thing for strong men, he digs power based on fear, be it Russia, North Korea or China. He admires an iron hand, but still craves a compliment:


TRUMP: If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him. I've already said, he is really very much of a leader.


GUTFELD: So tyrants take note: With president Trump, you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

So do these national security issues really concern anyone? The reality of an unstable world and the methods one needs to live in it seem lost among generations cocooned in bonus rooms attached to Xboxes and iPhones. Foreign policy seems truly foreign to a country that needs it now more than ever.

All right, K.G. --


GUTFELD: Did Matt Lauer give Hillary a taste of the future? Because they, they were pretty relentless on the e-mails. There were like five follow-up questions.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, finally.


GUILFOYLE: Good for Matt Lauer. I don't know why everyone is so critical because they thought that he was just gonna attack and bash Trump and give Hillary a pass. Somebody who's been like in hiding and the witness protection program or something for 275 plus days and won't answer a question? Look, I'm proud of him. I think he did a very good job. He asked her tough questions, in fact, questions that should have been asked and followed up on by the FBI in their investigation where they came to a rosy conclusion. So to me, this was actually very helpful. And I think obviously it was big moment there, right out of the bat when we had the naval officer who really put it to Hillary and said listen .


GUILFOYLE: . "I would be prosecuted and imprisoned if I did what you did." Again, different strokes for the Clintons, look what happened they get a pass, they get to collect all the paychecks and get all the glory, and get the cash while the rest of the people are suffering or dying in Benghazi.

GUTFELD: And she still has to say thank you for your service through gritted teeth. The guy says, you'd be-- I'd be in jail. Thank you for your service. Eric, how do you think, how do you they did? Who won?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: All right. So, I agree that Matt Lauer was great. He was great on both. He wasn't just hard on Hillary than he was. He was hard on Trump, too. He cut Trump off, he pushed back. Now, there's -- today, apparently in D.C. is pushing back on Matt saying, he should have fact-check Trump's some of things that he had said in the past about or if there is for against the Iraq war, and trump clarify that later on today. I think Matt Lauer did a fine job. I also think the questions were outstanding from the people.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, they were.

BOLLING: Every single on both sides. Every single question came as a pushback on some of the things each candidate had said in the past.


BOLLING: It was fantastic. It was really a great hour.

GUILFOYLE: Very interesting.

BOLLING: I could have watched that for three hours .


BOLLING: . in that format. Interesting for all those who think that polls matter, NBC polls --

GUTFELD: You'll never let this go.

BOLLING: NBC poll, 68,000 when I left. It has responded 62 percent had Trump winning, 38 percent had Clinton winning. But I -- we'll tell you, for 30 minutes that Clinton was asked questions, she was asked about the e-mail scandal, she was asked about the Libya and Iraq failures, and she was asked about the Iran deal. And she was very, very thorough. She has a lot of experience in all three of those buckets.


BOLLING: And the problem is, as I've been fighting with my good friend here, Juan, for a long time, experience doesn't equal qualifications. She is far more experienced. But if you go through the things that the y went through last night, you'll realize that that's probably not someone you want running the most powerful military in the most powerful country in the world.

GUTFELD: Juan, Why does she keep telling our enemies what we're not doing? I mean, it like -- on one hand, I don't like the fact that Trump is complimenting Putin, but what's worse? I mean, that's kind -- it's just that, or like -- at least Trump is saying scary stuff. She's saying stuff that isn't scary to our enemies.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No, but she's saying stuff that's true. The American people don't want additional troops on the ground. Remember when she .


WILLIAMS: . became secretary of state, there were 200,000 .


WILLIAMS: . American troops on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq. And so she's saying we're not going to go back down that road, which is what the American people want. They don't want us putting more troops.

GUTFELD: But that's --

WILLIAMS: Your point is --

MEGHAN MCCAIN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: It's how another terrorist attack happens.

WILLIAMS: Well, we don't know. I mean, let's not -- I'm not hoping for that. I think there'll be --

GUTFELD: Nobody wants a war .


GUTFELD: . but some, that's not why you have -- you have war because you have to have one, not because you want one.

WILLIAMS: Right. But I think that there's an important point to make if you're running for president, which is that you tell the American people how you would handle a crisis. She's saying here's what I would do in terms of air power, in terms of dealing with the enemy. Donald Trump never says a word. He just says, "I've got a secret plan." He impugns the president .

MCCAIN: Which, he has a plan.

WILLIAMS: . said that he has intelligence briefings. He's heard stuff that body language. It's very wild to me.

MCCAIN: There's a misnomer that Hillary Clinton is as hawkish as I am, basically. And she was saying, "We never going to do anything in Iraq, we're not going to do anything in Syria." Enemies, do whatever you want. Continue the largest humanitarian crisis, 7 million people displaced refugees. Do all this. We're not going to do anything. That is the type of stuff that is been happening for the past 7 1/2 years under President Obama. What was fascinating to me last night, is that she still cannot answer eloquently, answers about her e-mails, she still can't explains to me why she's not a third term of Obama. After all this time and all this, quote, "experience," how is she not better at this? And that's the only thing that was going through my mind last night.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think it's important here to keep something in mind. I mean, when you're looking at last night and you see Matt Lauer unable to tell Trump, "Hey, you know what? You're lying here."

BOLLING: About what, though?

WILLIAMS: He supported .


WILLIAMS: . the war in Iraq.

BOLLING: But he clarified that today.

WILLIAMS: And so, I don't know about today. I'm saying yesterday.

BOLLING: Why would let --

WILLIAMS: He let Trump get away with it.


WILLIAMS: But I want to say something to you --


BOLLING: What he did wrong?

WILLIAMS: Not only does he go after your dad .

MCCAIN: You call me, Mr. Williams.

WILLIAMS: Thank you. But not only does he go after your dad, Meghan. He then comes back and says, "Oh, what do you geniuses expect if you allow men to serve with women in the military?" I think you and Kimberly should get up from the table because the three of us might attack you and then it would be your fault.

MCCAIN: You know it so funny, that's --

GUILFOYLE: That happens every day.

MCCAIN: That's give him so much attention. And it's so funny. There actually have conflicting opinions on women in combat, in the military. So they have all the issues that stake. I'm more concerned with the VA than anything else. And quite frankly, neither of these candidates have a --

WILLIAMS: Well, what about --

MCCAIN: . solution. I find acceptable.

WILLIAMS: So when someone, a veteran stands up and say, "Here are the facts on the VA." He says, "No, your facts are wrong." Turns out her facts are right and his facts are wrong.

BOLLING: Twenty-two suicides per day.

WILLIAMS: I'm just saying -- but he's scolding her.

BOLLING: You're being so nitpicky at this.

WILLIAMS: No, I'm not.





WILLIAMS: Oh, I see.

BOLLING: There is a massive problem with veteran suicides.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say --

BOLLING: Now you're worried that he said 22 instead of 20.

WILLIAMS: OK. You know what?

BOLLING: Which was, originally, 22 is the number originally --

WILLIAMS: Let me give up.

BOLLING: And then --

WILLIAMS: But let me just say --


WILLIAMS: Let me speak to you as someone who is a republican, like Stuart Stevens who worked for Romney, right? He said if Barack Obama in '08 had said, oh, you know, Putin is better than George W. Bush as a leader, he said republicans would have said Obama, get out of the race. You're a disgrace to the American people. But what happens last night? That's exactly what Trump says, Putin is a great leader. We should love Putin. He has a high popular and everybody oh, fine, you guys -- oh, that's terrific.

GUTFELD: OK. It's like -- I agree and I disagree in the sense that I think that he has a fondness for autocrats, but at the same time, isn't he talking about like perception of defending your country --


GUTFELD: It's not the country thing .

GUILFOYLE: He -- yeah.

GUTFELD: It's not necessarily the best comparison.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's more of a strength model .

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

GUILFOYLE: . to say that Putin will do what it takes .


GUILFOYLE: . to defend his country. But that's why Putin is dangerous and Russia is a major cause of concern for us .


GUILFOYLE: . some of the intelligence community standpoint militarily and center for national security advantage point as well. Trump has said that I would like to sit down and talk to people, work things out. Well, guess what? Some of the evidence is that was, he went straight to Mexico and sat down and had a conference and a meeting directly with Pea Nieto to go over all this. OK, that. So you see the kind of approach, because he's a businessman. He's like, I'm going to pick up the phone, I'm gonna call that CEO and we're going to talk about this directly, instead of getting mired in a lot of the way down, you know, bureaucracy and red tape and having 25 assistants or deputies talk to somebody instead of going directly to the root of the problem. That aside, obviously I have concerns, right, about national security in terms of Russia, and China, and North Korea, and obviously, the problems we have in the Middle East. But what I do see is the right from the beginning that Trump had an interest and was very persuasive in terms of talking about the veterans and needing to make changes there. You've seen him come out with a lot more specifics. He's not in hiding or smashing BlackBerry or BleachBit himself to death like we've seen Hillary do or Hillary throwing her stuff, you know, under the bus. She's not showing presidential leadership qualities. And I'll tell you what, she's not making America safer by her actions and because as it relates to Benghazi, as it relates the e-mail scandal, as to the number of lies and obfuscation that she has engaged in throughout the course of this investigation and lack of transparency. And specifically, she's making America weaker by telegraphing and telling our enemies that we won't even put troops or boots over there. You don't know what's going to happen down the road .


GUILFOYLE: . in Iraq. This isn't an ever revolving process.

MCCAIN: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: And you listen to the intelligence community, they say, listen, maybe it's ISIS today, it's somebody else tomorrow. We'll deal with the caliphate, but it's going to take years to be able to handle this. So you can't say that you won't do it. Are you kidding?

WILLIAMS: Let me just say --

GUTFELD: Secretary of state Guilfoyle --

GUILFOYLE: Go run the Red Cross, instead.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say that the American people don't want this, but I think the bigger, libel, the one that I just can't get over is, he says America's generals have been reduced to rubble.

GUTFELD: Is that, does that mean they're demoralized .

MCCAIN: I didn't thought --


GUTFELD: . by being ignored?

WILLIAMS: No, no. He said this is under .


WILLIAMS: . Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Well, I know, I know generals who disagree with Obama, but I don't think these people are idiots or been reduced to rubble. What kind of say -- who would say such a thing? And so you ask about commander-in-chief .

MCCAIN: He's saying -- I think he's referring to --

GUILFOYLE: Render --

WILLIAMS: . leadership, presidential stature?

GUILFOYLE: There are plenty of people in the .

WILLIAMS: Oh my, God.

GUILFOYLE: . in the military and high ranking generals that do not feel that they have been optimized or listened to .

WILLIAMS: They -- that's true.

GUILFOYLE: . or respected by this administration .

WILLIAMS: Every president --

GUILFOYLE: . and they don't want a third term .

WILLIAMS: With every president or every --

GUILFOYLE: . of Barack Obama.

WILLIAMS: Generals -- I mean go back to Abe Lincoln.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, let just --

WILLIAMS: Is just exactly they are

GUILFOYLE: Hey, Juan, let's just cook the books some more on the intelligence .

WILLIAMS: Not cooking books.

GUILFOYLE: . so we'll think that ISIS was JV .

WILLIAMS: Oh no, gosh.

GUILFOYLE: . and opening ice cream trucks instead of like doing crucifixions. That sounds like a good idea.

WILLIAMS: No, I'm just saying, don't disparage America's military. I'm surprised that --

GUILFOYLE: Don't just --

WILLIAMS: I'm the democrat here .

GUILFOYLE: We have the best military in the world .

WILLIAMS: . and then suddenly a republican --

GUILFOYLE: . like make it strong --

BOLLING: Go after that she's saying that Trump is disparaging the military .


BOLLING: . to a great extent that Hillary Clinton is or would as president.


BOLLING: She's talking about sequester. She's talking about defense spending freezes. He's talking about releasing this sequester, increasing defense spending, increasing the military, increasing our footprint in the world. I mean --

WILLIAMS: This is playing cheap, rhetoric, historical trick there.

BOLLING: By the way, he gets a 19 percent higher approval rating than she does .

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah?

BOLLING: . among military members.

WILLIAMS: Check this out, Meghan's dad .

MCCAIN: Stop being --

WILLIAMS: . and, and Mitt Romney, both did better with the military than Donald.

BOLLING: Wait, wait.


GUILFOYLE: And I would love John McCain as president.



WILLIAMS: Oh, and what did Trump say about John McCain? Oh --

MCCAIN: Oh my, God.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? You know what I do know? That he endorsed him.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah.


GUILFOYLE: Vote McCain, Arizona.

GUTFELD: Last word, Meghan?

MCCAIN: My family loves Kimberly Guilfoyle.


GUILFOYLE: And I love them.

GUTFELD: All right, when we come back, Trump and Clinton trashing each other's performance from last night. Their critiques -- when we return.


GUILFOYLE: Well, we've given some of our reviews on Clinton's and Trump's performances last night. Now let's hear how the nominees rated one another.


CLINTON: Last night was yet another test and Donald Trump failed, yet again. We saw more evidence that he is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be commander-in-chief. He trash-talked American generals, saying they had been, quote, "reduced to rubble," that's how he talks about distinguished men and women who have spent their lives serving our country, sacrificing for us. That's how he would act as commander-in-chief.

TRUMP: The whole country saw how unfit she was at the Townhall last night, where she refused to take accountability for her failed policies in the Middle East that have produced millions of refugees, unleashed horror of radical Islamic terrorism all over, and made us less safe than ever before.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Nice little juxtaposition there between the two candidates, each battling for the Oval. So who gets the prize of the award goes to whom, for the rebuttal, so to speak this.

BOLLING: I mean, from last night?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and their comments --

BOLLING: OK, I think they both did well. Everyone said they both (inaudible). I think they both did well, they held their own. Again, this is 30 minutes of Hillary, then 30 minutes of Donald. It will be very interesting to see 30 minutes back to back where they can rebut each other on the fly. I think it's going to be awesome TV. But think about what's going on over the last couple of weeks .


BOLLING: . made in last two weeks. Trump has quietly rolled out an immigration plan with specifics and everyone wants specifics. He's got immigration with specifics, a black and Hispanic outreach plan with specifics. A military preparedness strategy with specifics yesterday and today rolls out a school of choice plan with monetary specifics. So he has pivoted over the last, he had a very rough go after the conventions. And now he turned it and whoever is talking to him, with Kellyanne Conway, Bannon, whomever; has got him on a place where the specifics are being rolled out. He's a more measured, statesman-like candidate and its showing. The polls have tighten or flipped. All the swing-states polls are tight. He raised $90 million in August. Listen, you may not like the fact that I'm talking about Donald Trump, but the facts are that he is now, this is a race. This is a -- it's no longer Hillary's -- the clear winner 61 days out. This is now a horse race.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know I love you, but I just wanted to ask, why does he keep flip-flopping on this immigration thing? Last night he said, "Oh, well if you served in the military, maybe you can stay there."

BOLLING: That's a great idea.


BOLLING: You know how --

WILLIAMS: I'm just saying, you said --


WILLIAMS: You said he had a specific idea on immigration.

BOLLING: No, he rolled out --


BOLLING: I think that was the smartest thing .


BOLLING: . he's done in his whole campaign there .

WILLIAMS: All right.

BOLLING: . on the fly.

WILLIAMS: OK. OK. Allow me --


MCCAIN: But that just -- that something --

BOLLING: Can we just tell the people --

MCCAIN: That was before --

BOLLING: Hold on, let we just tell the people --


BOLLING: He stood up and was asked a very specific question, if there's an undocumented illegal in the military or wants to serve in the military, can they stay? And he said, "You know what? I think that's a good idea."

WILLIAMS: But Eric, Eric --

BOLLING: But that's brilliant. That's genius.



BOLLING: We would take millions if they would serve in the military.

WILLIAMS: But Eric, I'm just thinking --

GUTFELD: I have friends that -- that's how they became citizens .


GUTFELD: . by joining the military.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, this is --

GUTFELD: It's not new.

WILLIAMS: it's not new. But Eric, there's no --

GUILFOYLE: But it's all good idea.

BOLLING: Actually --

GUILFOYLE: You say, you know what, I'm gonna put (inaudible) .


GUILFOYLE: I got skin (ph) on the game. I want to serve my country. This is -- I want to make a commitment to you.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOLLING: You know, but then they have to go to the back of the line process, right? --


WILLIAMS: No, no --


WILLIAMS: But let me -- was so, what is the plan --

GUILFOYLE: How do get (inaudible) military family.

WILLIAMS: What is the plan to defeat ISIS?

BOLLING: Well, we just did that in the A-block.

WILLIAMS: Oh, we don't have any idea.

BOLLING: No, that he --

WILLIAMS: He hasn't said, Eric.

BOLLING: Did you hear the plan that Hillary Clinton laid out her plan? We won't kill you ISIS with .



BOLLING: . troops on the ground. So he says, "I'll wait and see."

WILLIAMS: I'm silent.



GUILFOYLE: Everybody.


GUILFOYLE: All right, that was weird. OK, Meghan .


GUILFOYLE: (inaudible) it's "The Five."


GUILFOYLE: All right. So Meghan, what do you make of it, because this is kind of weaving in immigration .


GUILFOYLE: . weaving in the military, a stronger defense, a commitment to the troops, and increasing the numbers. How does it seem to you coming from a military family?

MCCAIN: But you know, I think, again, neither of these candidates is blowing me away. Actually, I would like both of them to get more policy specific. Hillary saying we're never going to put boots on the ground in Iraq, we never going to put boots on the ground in Syria petrified me, simply because, why -- what if this continues despite out of control.


MCCAIN: What if there's another terrorist attack? I cringe at the ideas of our enemies watching this, knowing much like the president we have now. You can do anything you want, you can jerk us around, you can harass our naval ships the way Iran is doing right now, and we're not going to do anything. We're not going to react. And I, I know you keep say Juan, that this is where the American people are at. I, 100 percent don't think that's where the American people at, because when there's viral pictures as a baby is in Aleppo with, you know, rubble all over them going viral, and then there are celebrities tweeting why haven't we done nothing about this? And like, oh, there are actually many people for years who've been trying to send aid then and this president won't let us.


MCCAIN: I actually think if the American people understood what was going on instead of just being told tidbits by this administration, they would actually be a lot more supportive of the boots on the ground.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I think ISIS gets it. They're like, yey, HRC -- I'm with her. I mean, right?


GUILFOYLE: Don't worry about it, we're not going to put anymore, you know, U.S., troops, our commitment on the ground there, that's not happening -- canceled. That's canceled.

MCCAIN: That's the third term of Obama.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable. OK, Greg?

GUTFELD: Well, one thing we haven't talked about is Trump here -- keeps repeating the taking the oil. We should take the oil. And he said this line where he goes, you know, the old line to the victors -- it used to be to the victors go the spoils. That's not what America does in a war. You don't go -- you don't --all of a sudden takes all the fine art, (inaudible). It's against the law, again, I think.



BOLLING: But, with the path we're on right now, you know who's getting the Iraqi oil? The Iranians.


BOLLING: Right now they are going in .

GUILFOYLE: Oh there's -- yeah, they're --


BOLLING: . they are moving in, and they end up with the Iraq -- their own 4 million barrel for a production and the Iraqi 3 million but, there will be a powerhouse.


BOLLING: And by the way, we're enabling them, too.


GUILFOYLE: Well, an ISIS too, to help --

WILLIAMS: So in other words, United States, our values, the way that we occupy ourselves in terms of saying here's the way we stand in this country when we go to war, it's not that we go in and we kill off anybody, including families. We don't take the riches. We don't claim the women. My God, that's not America.



GUTFELD: But you know, maybe we could make America great again by doing all of that.


GUILFOYLE: I thought (inaudible) that one --

BOLLING: I think that honestly, to pay for the war effort of what we spend on the war though oil over the next 10 years, 20 years --

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but you know, so what Matt Lauer --

BOLLING: Easily do.

GUILFOYLE: It's all the money, Bolling.

WILLIAMS: When matt Lauer or someone of the audience says, "How would you do that Mr. Trump?" He said, "Oh we --

BOLLING: There's a (inaudible) in Iraq. You owe us --

GUTFELD: That's not what he said. He said like --

BOLLING: It was a hundred billion dollars over the next 20 years --

WILLIAMS: What did he say? I thought he said put troops in.

MCCAIN: Where --

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah, put troops in.

MCCAIN: I think where he loses most hawkish republicans is when he talking about how much he likes Putin. That should make any person who believe in the American exceptionalism, incredibly uncomfortable. Putin supporting Bashar al-Assad, helping with the Syrian refugee crisis and, I think for any republican, he has got to stop saying this, because I was with him. I was with him and he said that, it was like, I'm out. I'm out. It's too crazy --

GUILFOYLE: He just says it and then like, winks, it's like the Putin had take care -- yeah, yeah.

OK, next, a very embarrassing moment on live TV for Libertarian Party nominee, Gary Johnson. The question he couldn't answer and his explanation for the surprising blunder, coming up. Stay with us.


BOLLING: New words, that's all it took for the libertarian candidate to have disgraced his own campaign. Three words for libertarians who want their acres on the American political landscape to get mowed down. Have been watching this live in sheer amazement this morning, Mike Barnicle asked the presidential hopeful a simple question. The next 19 second is both stunning and scary.


MIKE BARNICLE, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: What would you do if you were elected, about Aleppo?



JOHNSON: And what is Aleppo?

BARNICLE: You're kidding.


BARNICLE: Aleppo is in Syria. It's the epicenter of the refugee crisis --

JOHNSON: OK, got it, got it.


BOLLING: This is a former governor of New Mexico who is currently polling a 10 percent for the presidency; Johnson tried to mop up his foreign policy train wreck on Fox News, a short while ago.


GARY JOHNSON (L), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I was thinking acronym when he said Aleppo. And guilty. No excuse whatsoever. If it is kissing my chances goodbye, so be it. But I've always been served really well by telling the truth, and you tell the truth and you can get your way through things.


JOHNSON: Yes, absolutely. I mean, anything is fair. I'm running for president of the United States. So, you know, no complaints. Going forward, you know, all you can do is wake up tomorrow with a smile on your face, keep after it.


BOLLING: More proof that 2016 is going down as the most unpredictable and insane year in politics ever. Greg -- Greg, we've been say thing for a while. Boy, every day there's a new thing.

GUTFELD: He -- it was so -- it was so painful to watch. But I've got to tell you, man, he owned it. He apologized. He says, "Yes, I screwed up." And, you know, there are a lot -- there are a lot of people that don't really care about Syria, who claim to know about Aleppo, but they really don't know. And I think it might be worse.

You know, he says he doesn't know what Aleppo is. There are people who do know and don't care. So I think that, you know, what? There are worse things that are said. There's -- Trump has said some interesting things about your dad that I feel is worse, but that was pretty bad.

BOLLING: K.G., you know, at first glance you look and you feel for that moment, that moment where it all goes away and you're on live TV, but this is a guy who wants to be the commander in chief.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. That's why when you asked me here when he was onset, "Kimberly, anything," I'm like, "No, I'm good. I've had enough." Because I do not feel that he's an appropriate choice to be commander in chief and lead this country militarily. This is something that you should know.

There's one thing to have an opinion. Maybe you have an opinion, you say something that's horrible, that's bad and inappropriate, you don't treat someone -- that's bad. But this is a knowledge-based deficiency about an area of humanitarian crisis of epic proportion that has been largely fostered by the inadequacies and foreign policy and ideology of this administration that has resulted in loss of life.

And how can anybody forget just in the past -- you know, the child and the pictures and this human suffering and the tragedy? You better be up to speed if you want to be on the stage.

GUTFELD: Can I just add one thing to this? Because I don't think it's the previous administration. The Libertarian Party has always had a problem with foreign policy. Their isolationism somehow exempts them from reading a map.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but that's not OK.

MCCAIN: What's fascinating is, in this -- in this election, Libertarians should hypothetically be doing better.


MCCAIN: Because these two candidates are so wildly unpopular. But what continues, when libertarians start talking and try to say this candidate should be the one, et cetera, I always think libertarianism is something that works well in a political science classroom.

But in reality, when we're facing Islamic extremism and terrorist attacks, just saying, "I'm going to be an isolationist; I'm a non-interventionist. We're that we're never going to do anything ever.

Why are you surprised that he doesn't know what Aleppo is? He has no foreign policy plan.

BOLLING: Because Aleppo...

MCCAIN: He doesn't care. He's an isolationist.

BOLLING: ... as Kimberly points out, that little boy whose family got blown up in that house. He's sitting in the back of the ambulance.

GUILFOYLE: In shock with the blood all over him.

BOLLING: That is Aleppo.

GUILFOYLE: And that was everywhere.

BOLLING: And Juan, the other little boy who's on the shore of that beach...

GUILFOYLE: Washed up.

BOLLING: ... this is a global crisis.

GUILFOYLE: There he is. See the picture?

GUTFELD: Yes, that's...

GUILFOYLE: You get my point? Do you care about -- when he was here, and I asked him about children and ISIS crucifying children. I mean, come on, you can't, like, stand -- by the way, Rand Paul would know the answer to that, would know what they were talking about, wouldn't he?

GUTFELD: But his dad would say that's not our problem.

GUILFOYLE: But he would know where it is and what's going on. I mean, come on.

WILLIAMS: Maybe he thought he said "apple."

GUILFOYLE: No, he said he thought it was an acronym. Yes.

WILLIAMS: But I just think -- I mean, it was crazy. I mean, but to me, the issue politically is this: can he get on the debate stage?

So the news earlier in the week was Mitt Romney...

BOLLING: It was yesterday.

WILLIAMS: Mitt Romney said he thought that Gary Johnson should be on the stage.


WILLIAMS: And so here was Mitt Romney, who's not a fan of Donald Trump, saying, "Hey, we want the Libertarian on the stage. It's only fair." To pick up on Meghan's point, a lot of people don't like either of these two candidates. Bring in Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson...

MCCAIN: He hasn't earned it, though.

WILLIAMS: I'm sorry.

MCCAIN: He hasn't earned it. It's by their rules that he has to abide by, he hasn't earned his right to be on that stage. And quite frankly, I think he's going to tank after today -- after today, because of this...

WILLIAMS: Well, that's right, because what he's done -- when he finishes - - he's put about $200,000 into buying ads in seven western states and New Hampshire, where he has some traction, where he's getting some numbers.

But I think after what he just -- and this picks up on your point, Meghan, I think those numbers go down. I don't think he any longer has...

BOLLING: But -- and everyone is saying, well, what happens now? This will help Hillary if he -- he can't pull out. He's on the ballot. He's on the ballot in all 50 states. And I think Jill Stein is on the ballot in something like 30 states, as well.

So all the polling numbers that have Trump doing better with Gary Johnson in will probably stay pretty stagnant, even if he doesn't make the debate stage.

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

MCCAIN: He's an isolationist, and he's pro-choice. I just don't see how you pick up a lot of conservatives around the country with those two stances.


GUILFOYLE: That was a drop the mike moment, Meghan McCain.

MCCAIN: Thank you.

BOLLING: We'll leave it right there.

Directly ahead, Matt Lauer under attack by the mainstream media for daring to ask Hillary Clinton tough questions at the commander in chief forum. He's getting pulverized for it. Next.


WILLIAMS: Back now to last night's presidential forum on NBC. The candidates can't get the worst reviews of the evening. Moderator Matt Lauer did. Journalists, pundits and others blasting "The Today Show" host for going soft on Trump, hard on Clinton.


MATT LAUER, NBC NEWS: You were communicating on highly sensitive topics. Why wasn't it more than a mistake, why wasn't it disqualifying if you want to be commander in chief?


LAUER: Were some of the e-mails sent or received by you referring to our drone program, our covert drone program?


LAUER: How do you think these people feel when the person running to be their commander in chief says her vote to go to war in Iraq was a mistake?

You have said you expect the Iranians to cheat.

Right, but you said you think they're going to cheat.


WILLIAMS: The media is destroying Lauer for failing to push back on Trump's claim that he was always against the war in Iraq. Here are some of the brutal headlines. I don't have to read them to you. You can see right there. "Lauer was tougher on Ryan Lochte than on Donald Trump."

Meghan, what do you make of this?

MCCAIN: You know, it's so funny, because I kind of think with Matt Lauer last night, he's being made an example of. Meaning, I don't actually think this is about Matt Lauer. I think this is about people in the media wanting to say, "Use kid gloves on Hillary, because if you don't, it's sexism. Sexism, sexism, sexism. You're asking her hard questions."

Do you know what I would like? I would like someone to moderate a debate between these two candidates who has no ties at all to Clinton Global Initiative, anything having to do with President Obama. Martha Raddatz had President Obama at her wedding. I want just political journalists with no affiliations socially or with charities with any of these candidates.

And I think -- I think he did a fine job, but I also think that I would have preferred him to press Trump harder on Iraq, quite frankly.

WILLIAMS: Well, to press Trump harder on Iraq.

Well, a lot of people, Eric, said why no mention of, you know, the Khan controversy? Why no mention of John McCain, what he said about McCain? Why no mention of his own deferments on Vietnam before a group of veterans?

BOLLING: So Lauer asked him and pushed him on why he thought he was qualified for the job. He pushed back on it.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me just say on that one, that read like he was running for Miss America. "Why are you qualified to..."

BOLLING: Because he asked -- he asked Hillary Clinton what are the qualifications that are most important for -- to be president.

WILLIAMS: That's a different question.

BOLLING: He asked her the first -- same first question to both of them. Then he pressed him on why do you think you know more than generals? He pressed him on his dealings with Putin. He pushed back on all of them.

And then -- he gave him a tough time. And then he turned it over to the audience, which I said, gave some of the hardest hitting questions I've heard in the whole campaign.

WILLIAMS: OK. But the big -- but the big criticism...

BOLLING: Here's -- just let me finish this thought...

WILLIAMS: OK. Go ahead.

BOLLING: ... for once. In 2004, Candy Crowley...


BOLLING: ... fact-checked Mitt Romney live on TV and was wrong.


BOLLING: Was wrong. She set in motion a debate for moderators. What do I do? Chris Wallace himself said, "I have to make a decision. I don't think I'm going to fact check people on the fly." So you're trying to hold Matt Lauer to a standard that maybe not -- won't be present on the debate stage.

WILLIAMS: Well, hold on.

BOLLING: He did a fine job.

WILLIAMS: You mean, this whole business about lying about whether he supported or opposed the Iraq War, that's a -- you can't say, "Hey, that's not true"?

BOLLING: This was in the "A" block, but he clarified that, prior to the Iraq War, he said on Stern that he may be in favor of it, and then during and after, he outlined several articles where he said he was against it...


BOLLING: ... including, I think it was Rolling Stone or one of those magazines, where he said he was against the Iraq War.

GUILFOYLE: You know what this is? For me, it's like it's enough already. Haters are going to hate. And that's what's happening here.

WILLIAMS: You think so?

GUILFOYLE: I think that Matt Lauer did an outstanding job.

WILLIAMS: Let me ask...

GUILFOYLE: I thought he was fair and balanced. I thought I was watching FOX News. I thought he did a very good job. He was obviously well- prepared. He asked great questions. And this is like Monday morning quarterbacking, trying to nitpick at a few things, because Matt Lauer, I think, was tough on Hillary Clinton.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me just say, Republicans don't agree.

GUILFOYLE: Good for him.

WILLIAMS: I mean, like Tim Miller, who's the spokesman for Bush, Jeb Bush, said, "Dear TV Anchorman, change your interview style."

GUILFOYLE: Because he doesn't like Donald Trump.

BOLLING: Tim Miller is a "never Trump" guy. Tim Miller is -- he would rather see -- he said he'd rather see Hillary Clinton win than Donald Trump.


MCCAIN: But I think the point is, above everything else, I'm more comfortable with political journalists moderating these type of things. I don't -- I don't watch morning television, other than "FOX & Friends," so I don't watch his show. I haven't watched it in years.

But I also think they should just have people who do this every day for a living and people that don't have ties to the Clintons, the Obamas, to anything having to deal with them socially, because I think it makes the America public uncomfortable.

WILLIAMS: Here's one -- here's one of the lines of distinction.

GUILFOYLE: Like Chris Wallace.

MCCAIN: Yes, like Chris Wallace.

GUILFOYLE: Let's have him...

WILLIAMS: He's one of the lines of distinction. Here's one of the lines of distinction, Greg.

Someone said they treat her like she's running for president and grill her, but they treat Trump like, you know, he'll figure it out eventually.

GUTFELD: I think that Hillary expected a safe space. Because when you are in mainstream -- mainstream media, in those areas, she didn't expect to be taken, you know, he came pretty hard at her. But you know what's refreshing? Is the shoe's on the other foot.

Normally, it's Republicans and conservatives complaining about harsh treatment.


GUTFELD: We always are like, "Oh, my God. Did you see what they did to Mitt? Did you see what they did to whoever?"

Now it's the left going, like, "Holy crap." It's kind of fun.


GUTFELD: By the way, they should have robots.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, that would be it.

GUTFELD: The solution is robot moderators.

WILLIAMS: "Beep, beep, beep, stop talking"?


GUILFOYLE: She wanted -- she expected a safe space and a little nap. A little nap in between to rest up.

WILLIAMS: I must say, I find it interesting, though, that exactly your point. For now, the left is saying, "Hey, wait a minute. The media" -- and I think, you know what? I think it's all about the ratings. The media wants a horserace, and they're going to back Trump right now.

GUTFELD: Now they know how it feels to be a conservative.

WILLIAMS: Well, there you go.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Now you're saying there's a conspiracy to help give a leg up to Trump?

WILLIAMS: Oh, I don't think there's any question that there's one.

GUILFOYLE: To help him against Hillary.

WILLIAMS: Holding him to a totally different standard.

GUILFOYLE: So NBC is the conspiracy, Matt Lauer is, too?

WILLIAMS: That's what -- that's what amazes me.


WILLIAMS: I'm amazed at this, because normally, NBC is over there on the left.

Anyway, next, millennials could very well determine the outcome of this presidential election. They're America's largest living generation. But there's some new data which -- on which way this crucial voting bloc might be leaning. Our youngest member, Ms. Meghan McCain, has the inside scoop when "The Five" returns.

GUTFELD: And brains.


MCCAIN: With the election exactly two months away, let's not forget about the power of the millennial vote. I am one of them.

And interesting new study revealed young adults born between 1980 and 1994 are more likely to identify as conservative than Generation X'ers or Baby Boomers did at the same age.

So my generation isn't as liberal as I thought. I love this. I love that this is bucking all the Bernie Sanders B.S. That all of us just want to be socialists. I'm actually not surprised at this at all. I actually wasn't surprised by this.

Juan, you have children who are millennials. Were you surprised by this story?

WILLIAMS: Well, no, two out of three, both boys are Republicans and pretty conservative, so...

GUILFOYLE: They're so smart and handsome and accomplished.

GUTFELD: They took after their dad.


GUTFELD: Except politically.

GUILFOYLE: So cuddly.

WILLIAMS: Except politically.

MCCAIN: I have a theory it's because millennials grew up in the era of hope and change, and it was such a lie and ended up being such a disappointment. And now millennials are strapped with student debt and, you know, economic crisis and terrorism. And everything seems to be getting worse, and they're reflecting back that maybe liberal policies weren't -- weren't what's going to make America a success. So I'm not surprised at this at all. Are you?

GUTFELD: Well, you know what I thought was interesting, is they looked at polarization.


GUTFELD: There's more polarization in this generation. I don't think -- I think polarization is across every generation. If you try to talk to somebody who disagrees with you outside of "The Five," good luck. If you look on Twitter, if disagrees with you, you will get a thousand brutal, vicious tweets from ten people. But it will feel like 10,000 people, but it's actually ten people.

And then this other thing. All older generations tend to obsess with younger generations. We like to poke and prod them like, you know, frogs in a high school lab.

GUILFOYLE: Eww. You're mean. You know that's a bad sign, by the way.


GUILFOYLE: Like, torturing small animals.

GUTFELD: That's what you did in labs in high school. You never dissected a frog?

GUILFOYLE: Well, they were dead.

GUTFELD: We didn't dissect live frogs.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't know what you did at your school. I was at Mercy High School.

GUTFELD: I went to Serra.

GUILFOYLE: That's not a bad school. Not a bad school. Good baseball team.

WILLIAMS: I will say this. I will say, moving along in this conversation...

GUTFELD: That was the strangest thing.

WILLIAMS: ... they are more conservative than previous generations. But it's still the case that -- and I'm saying this so I can irritate Eric...

GUILFOYLE: Shocking.

WILLIAMS: ... that they still would vote for Clinton over Trump.

BOLLING: Even more.

MCCAIN: Well, they're actually more apathetic towards this election.

WILLIAMS: Yes. They don't like either candidate.

MCCAIN: ... said that they were disgusted with both candidates.


GUILFOYLE: Because the fantasy island is over, OK, people? Like, no more eyes wide shut. All right? They know what's happening here. And they're like this is not good. Now we've got to pay for stuff.

GUTFELD: You just mixed TV and movies in one metaphor.

GUILFOYLE: I'm that talented. So they say.

You know who else is talented? Churchill. "Any man who is under 30 that is not a liberal has not heart, and any man who is over 30" -- I'd like to include women in this -- "and is not a conservative has not brain." There you go.

MCCAIN: That's one of my favorite quotes. Nothing to say.

GUILFOYLE: Put a bow on it.

BOLLING: Well, yes, I do. And I told this story on the Labor Day special. I'm not sure -- very -- it's still momentous to me. I took my son, dropped him off at college. He's 18, just turned 18. And the freshmen students, there's probably 9,000 freshman there. And they signed up freshmen, they signed them up to vote. And I thought that was fantastic.

Again, all the people who were signing people up had Hillary buttons on. So -- and they do push you in a little bit of a "Hey," you know -- remember, this state is a swing state. I won't say which one.

But I watched over my shoulder, and I literally thought he checked "independent." But afterwards, I said, "What did you -- did you sign -- are you a Democrat or a Republican?"

He goes, "I signed up as a Republican." And I've never, ever, ever pushed politics on him ever in my life.

GUILFOYLE: Increase in his allowance?

BOLLING: It was fantastic that he -- I was very proud of that. And it just shows that sometimes they listen.

WILLIAMS: Sometimes they listen.

But you know what I say to you? He loves his dad.

MCCAIN: All right. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Meghan.


GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing." But first a quick programming note. Tune in tomorrow at 5 p.m. as "The Five" commemorates the 15th anniversary of 9/11. Dana went to Shanksville, Pennsylvania, today to learn more about the story of the heroes of Flight 93. She's going to share what she learned with you tomorrow. OK.

GUILFOYLE: And with us.


GUILFOYLE: Going to be good.

GUTFELD: I'm up first.


GUTFELD: Greg's Nutrition Tips.


GUILFOYLE: Is that a doughnut?

GUTFELD: No. I don't know what it is.

Most important thing to know about vegetables, celery is evil. Celery should never be put into anything, because it just destroys the texture. Look at this young fellow here.




GUTFELD: It's the first time he's ever had celery, and he wisely says you know what? Forget it. I'm not having it. So always test your vegetables with your dog.


GUTFELD: Probably not. I know nothing about pets.

GUILFOYLE: Can I tell you, I totally agree with you.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: I just don't -- I do not like it.

BOLLING: What, celery? It's hard to do a salad right without chopped celery. In a salad, yes.


GUILFOYLE: I like it without.


GUTFELD: You've got 2 minutes.

WILLIAMS: This morning on NBC, Matt Lauer, who moderated last night's debate, he had a different kind of guest. It was comedian Dana Carvey. Carvey had a lot to say about last night. For example, here's his impersonation of Donald Trump.


LAUER: What did you make of Trump's comments about Vladimir Putin?

DANA CARVEY, COMEDIAN: I mean, Putin has got him in his back pocket, because he's just going to flatter the hell out of him if he gets elected. Be like (GIBBERISH). "I like your hair and you have a very great body."

"You know, you can have Ukraine, you know?"


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

WILLIAMS: Pretty good.

GUTFELD: Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: OK, that was pretty good. So still need some Tebow? So New York Mets have signed Tim Tebow, can you believe it? He's so talented. Right? Everyone, like Michael Jordan did this. So he's former Heisman Trophy winner, and he's got a minor league contract. He's going to head to instructional league in Florida, set to report on September 18.

And Bolling, you will like this. One of his batting practices, one of his hits went over the stadium scoreboard, estimated to have traveled 400 feet. What's he going to do? 100 K.

BOLLING: I lived that life, that instructional league. That's a rough league down there. But a lot of fun.

GUILFOYLE: He hasn't played since high school.

BOLLING: I know, I know. Listen, he can hit the ball. It's all you need to do.

All right. Very quickly, Apple yesterday, told you about the new iPhone 7 that came out with all the new devices, the speed increase, the speed to camera, the double camera on the bigger one, the water resistance, the wireless ear buds.

Today, the stocks slumped. The investors on Wall Street didn't like it. It was down 2.5 percent to 1.05. Full disclosure: I own two stocks in the world. Apple is one of them. Amazon is the other. If Apple goes a little bit further, I will be buying more Apple, because I cannot live without my iPhone.

GUTFELD: All right. Real quick, Meghan.

MCCAIN: All right. A California high school football team is paying tribute to a member of their family. Before the game, Ashley Adamietz is a cheerleader who is diagnosed with chronic myeloid leukemia, and her team put an orange rose at her feet. Orange is the color for leukemia awareness.



GUTFELD: All right. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" next.

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