'The Five' pick highlights from GOP presidential debate

Hosts rate the candidates' performances


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 7, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."

Well, it was the highest-rated cable news telecast of all time. Last night's republican debate on Fox News channel shattered all records with, get this, 24 million viewers according to Nielsen. Thanks in part to the media frenzy surrounding the frontrunner, Donald Trump. It started out hot. It's heated up throughout the two-hour event and ended on a sizzling note. Here's Bret Baier delivering the opening salvo.


BRET BAIER, "SPECIAL REPORT" HOST: Is there anyone on stage, and can I see hands, which is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the Republican Party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person?


BAIER: Mr. Trump.


BAIER: So -- Mr. Trump, to be clear, you're standing on a republican primary stage.


RAND PAUL, FORMER TEXAS SENATOR: And this is what's wrong. He buys and sells politicians of all stripes.


PAUL: He's already.

BAIER: Dr. Paul.

PAUL: Hey. Look, look. He's already hedging his bet on the Clintons.

BAIER: Just to be clear.

TRUMP: Right.

BAIER: You can't make -- we're gonna -- we're going to move on. You're not going to make the pledge tonight.

TRUMP: I will not make the pledge at this time.




BOLLING: All right, K.G., it started out hot. Boy, really hot.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Really hot. But I mean, yeah. So great, this is a fantastic debate, a big win for the Fox News channel. Both debates were outstanding. Let's be honest. So -- very well done. In this situation, Trump saying that he's not going to make a pledge to support -- who's the nominee going to be? You don't know. Why would you make a commitment to support the nominee? It was like a two-part question. So you'd have to say, yes to both parts, if you were going to agree with the statement. So I understand where he's coming from on that, I didn't think that was that big of a deal. I think he's saying listen, I'm going to wait and see what happens, how this shakes out, who's in fact going to be the nominee, and then make my decision if I'm going to in fact support that person. And the second part of the question was then will you pledge to not.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: But you understand that if he launches a third party bid, republicans are dead.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I got that.


BOLLING: Unless he wins, of course.


BOLLING: I'm just throwing it out, I mean.


BOLLING: Dana, were you not surprised that -- not surprised that the question came out, but were you surprised it was the opening thought?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: No. Because I think it helped set the stage because this is the -- there's a lot of anticipation lead up to this debate. People are talking about running for office for several months. And the last six months, we've had people get into the race and then just additional ones in the last two weeks with Kasich and Gilmore. So I think that on people's minds says OK, out of all of you, can -- are we going to be a party that can unite, right? That the methodology behind that question was, let's try to figure out. Is everybody here going to be able to -- at least be here a year from now back in Cleveland supporting whoever it is on stage. I thought it was a good question to start off with.

BOLLING: Greg, can we -- based on Donald's unwillingness to commit to that so far, has he kept some of it in his pocket? Has he kept at least the GOP, the RNC saying, hmm, we're not sure where he is yet, so do we still need to -- I don't know.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It cuts both ways.

BOLLING: Water that plant?

GUTFELD: It makes it look like he is, you know, he's got leverage, but at the other time, it makes it look like he's out for himself. That's the problem. It's -- this was a stroke of genius, whoever came up with this question. It was like the Mad Max of debate. If you've seen the last Mad Max movie, it starts immediately. And for two hours, it didn't stop. I watched this for like 20 minutes and I'm going it's already the greatest debate I've ever seen. And they interrogated. Everybody got tough questions. It was like the dental scene in Marathon Man. But can we -- I want to bring up one person before we getting further. Lindsey Graham, what was that?

BOLLING: I don't know.

GUTFELD: I don't know. He -- it's like he wandered out of Twin Peaks.

BOLLING: I know.

GUTFELD: In an episode of transient global amnesia. He walked into the wrong bar. It made no sense. My prediction is half the candidates that we saw last night will be doing reverse mortgage commercials by next June.

GUILFOYLE: I knew it.

GUTFELD: So watch out, Fred Thompson.

BOLLING: You know what Lindsey Graham was? Lindsey Graham was the exact opposite, the polar opposite of Carly Fiorina.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's true.

BOLLING: And you think about it. She was concise, she was there, she was focused.


BOLLING: And he -- I'm not sure where he was. All right, let's move on.

GUILFOYLE: Meandering.

BOLLING: He -- here are some of other -- Trump's other memorable responses last night. Listen to this.


TRUMP: I don't think you heard me. You're having a hard time tonight.

BAIER: All right.

TRUMP: When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them -- with Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. You know why? She had no choice because I gave. I gave to a foundation. I have never gone bankrupt, by the way. I have never, but out of hundreds of deals.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS SUNDAY HOST: No, but the -- but sir?

TRUMP: Excuse me.

WALLACE: That's your line.

TRUMP: Excuse me.

WALLACE: But your companies have gone bankrupt.

TRUMP: Out of hundreds -- what am I saying? Out of hundreds of deals that I've done, hundreds -- on four occasions, I've taken advantage of the laws of this country. This country right now owes $19 trillion and they need somebody like me to straighten out that mess. (BELLS)



BOLLING: Greg, a little of both. Some people with little -- not loving this at the beginning, but at the end, he nailed it with that $19 trillion. I'm the guy who can maybe bring this, bring -- put a stop to that.

GUTFELD: But the interesting thing about it, it's like I -- where I was watching it, we're all talking. And then, when you know that they're going to Trump, everybody shuts up because he's going to say something crazy or wild or unsubstantiated or funny. I'm not sure that's the criteria for a president, but it's certainly a criteria for an entertainer. The wedding comment was hilarious.


GUTFELD: But it's like paying kids to come to your birthday party.


GUTFELD: I mean, I -- it's just a strange thing.

GUILFOYLE: But he ceases it as a business negotiation.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I want you to come to my wedding, so I'm going to pay you. That's very strange.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on both -- the constant barrage. I mean, he has some -- heat-seeking missiles throughout the night.

PERINO: From the moderators?

BOLLING: From anybody, yeah.

PERINO: I think that all of them would say today that they threw up -- that they all got tough questions. But when you are in the lead.

GUILFOYLE: He's the frontrunner.

PERINO: You are -- you're going to get the questions. And plus, he has said some things that deserve some scrutiny. And one of them being -- I think his record -- I think it's interesting on the bankruptcy issue when Chris Wallace pressed him on that. That -- it's something that, when he said everybody does it. It's like well, yeah, what about the creditors and the creditors are actually the bad guys. That's what occupies Wall Street thinks. So I thought it was pretty illuminating.

WILLIAMS: You know what I thought was illuminating here was that he dominated the time. You look at the time. He gets 10 plus minutes. The second person there is Bush, and he only gets 8:30 and then comes Cruz with about 6:30. So you understand. It's all about Donald Trump. Now, he's saying some things that I think are kind of wild. And by the way, I was in the Quicken Loans Arena, he looked stiff. He walked-in. They all walked-in in a procession. And the Donald looked like he was doing at Lindsey Graham. At first I thought, boy, his bottom lip is stiff. His body language is stiff. And when it starts out with that first thing, you could sense, he thought it was all about him and he thought he was being treated unfairly.

BOLLING: Can I just -- Juan, stay with you for one second. We have to move onto some other stuff. But in the aftermath of the debate last night, there were a lot of pundits saying Donald's done. He's through. Charles, love Charles, he said that's the end of the Trump.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah. Look, he said it last night.

BOLLING: Can I just -- yeah. He said that's the end of the Trump's candidacy.


BOLLING: However, you look today. TIME magazine had a poll, 100,000 people were polled. Trump got 47 percent of the votes on who won. Drudge put one up and 550,000 people voted.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, but remember.

BOLLING: And 47 percent of those people voted.

WILLIAMS: This is like -- there's no science to this.


BOLLING: I'm not suggesting its science, but.

WILLIAMS: But I would say -- let's say at this place for the drudge site, these are conservatives. These are people who are more likely participating in the republican primary process. And they had almost I think a sympathetic reaction that their guy was attacked last night. I don't happen to think so. I think.

BOLLING: The TIME, though. TIME wouldn't -- I wouldn't call that concern.

WILLIAMS: No. But I -- look, I think that Trump's people are playing game - - everybody's in this game.



BOLLING: K.G., can I ask you some -- can you imagine this if there was a President Trump what the state of the union would be like.


BOLLING: Nancy Pelosi.


BOLLING: Pay attention here. You could stand up with the rest of them.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, I'm sure people would watch it, right? It would be, probably much more interesting because they've been quite dry.

BOLLING: Is it over?

GUTFELD: Exactly what we need.


GUTFELD: That's exactly what we need. We need an entertainer in chief.

BOLLING: We have one of those.

GUTFELD: Because you know, we've got Iran, we've got ISIS. We've got all these problems, but damn those jokes are funny.

BOLLING: All right. Let's move on.

GUILFOYLE: But we have community organizer in chief.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I agree.

GUILFOYLE: That didn't work out too well.

BOLLING: Although Trump, as Juan just pointed out, that most of the air -- a lot of the air time, much of it from the stated defense rule where if a candidate gets mentioned, he gets 30 seconds to rebut any accusations. Another candidate got the most questions. Jeb Bush got eight, by my count. He got a few tough questions. Here are some of the snippets from three of his answers.


JEB BUSH, FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: I'm going to have to earn this. Maybe the barrier -- the bar is even higher for me. That's fine. I've got a record in Florida. I'm proud of my dad and I'm certainly proud of my brother. Knowing what we know now with faulty intelligence and not having security be the first priority when we invaded, it was a mistake. And I don't believe the federal government should be involved in the creation of standards directly or indirectly, the creation of curriculum or content. That is clearly a state responsibility.


BOLLING: He -- how do you do?

PERINO: Well, I think he locked down his Common Core answer, even the conservatives said, OK, well that was a pretty good answer. If that's where here- if he - if that were Jeb Bush says he is on local standards, but at least keep -- make those standards high and here's the reason why because we need to be able to compete. I think he locked down that answer and that was good. I'd say his performance was fine, not spectacular. But it didn't need to be spectacular.

BOLLING: He -- Jeb bush avoided, Juan, the target, right? Everything seemed to go right at Donald Trump and right over Jeb Bush's head.

WILLIAMS: Well, it was one moment when compete I thought we're gonna see fireworks. When Donald Trump said it was your brother who had a catastrophic term and gave us Barack Obama.


WILLIAMS: And I thought, well here's the opportunity for the governor to come back and say, either hey look, I love my brother and I don't think it was a catastrophe. Here's what we did right. And here's the future as I'm going to lead it because I'm not my brother. But he didn't do that. Instead, he went away from it.


PERINO: I don't think he has to because -- what was the news then be today? That Jeb Bush linked himself to his brother. And he doesn't have to defend George W. Bush. George W. Bush has to defend George W. Bush, and I have to like -- whoever worked in that administration has to. He's -- he -- Jeb Bush does not own his brother's legacy. And I think it was smart to let that one go.

WILLIAMS: But you know, the thing is, Carly Fiorina in the first debate, she says, we need somebody who's not gonna stumble, not gonna hesitate. We need someone who can get in there and fight.

PERINO: OK, well.

GUILFOYLE: All right, but I agree with Dana. I don't think he needed to defend it. I mean, get over it. Yes, they have the same last name. He is running as his own person for president of the United States. I think he should act like -- who cares what his brother did? Decide if you want this man to be president of the United States based on his record and what he would do. I certainly wouldn't want to have to defend then my brother if he was president before me.

BOLLING: And I know your brother.

GUILFOYLE: Listen. I'll be like.


BOLLING: I know Anthony.

GUILFOYLE: That was on much macho, OK?

BOLLING: Exactly.


BOLLING: Greg, your thoughts on, did Jeb Bush make his case?

GUTFELD: I had an issue with his delivery. I felt that there was a halting style of delivery that was -- I was not -- I -- like I'm doing now. It was something where I was stuttering.

PERINO: Just to being cautious.

GUTFELD: Yeah. It was just overly cautious. And he didn't -- he just didn't seem comfortable. And I think that hurt him a bit.

BOLLING: All right.

GUTFELD: A little.

BOLLING: We move onto this one. John Kasich had a -- made his presence known last night. He's the Ohio governor who although, he had the crowd behind him, delivered some really concise and cogent comments, including this very thoughtful statement about gay marriage.


JOHN KASICH, OHIO GOVERNOR: The court has ruled and I said we'll accept it. And guess what? I just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. Because somebody doesn't think the way I do, doesn't mean that I can't care about them or can't love them. So if one of my daughters happened to be that, of course I would love them. And I would accept them because you know what? (BELLS) God gives me unconditional love. I'm going to give it to my family and my friends and the people around me.



BOLLING: Both sides were uneven on the left. You got to say it's a pretty darn good answer.

WILLIAMS: I'm not a republican. I thought he was very impressive last night. I thought that was compassionate. I appreciated the emotion that he put into it. You know his parents died in a car crash. So he was -- not only talking about that, he's talking about why he expanded.


WILLIAMS: Medicare in the state. Why he helps people in prison. I just thought he elevated himself. You're right it was a home court advantage for John Kasich because he's in Ohio. He's getting cheered right from the start. But right now, it's Kasich and Walker for that Midwest governor -- I have a record. And right now, Kasich is challenging Walker for that mantle in the republican race.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Good analysis, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Oh gee. I thought.


WILLIAMS: You didn't defend your brothers.



WILLIAMS: Look at that.

GUILFOYLE: I defend them in the playground.


GUTFELD: Only certain brothers.

GUILFOYLE: With sister involved.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't want her to get -- I don't want to get beat up, you know.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah. Kasich was excellent. That was a great answer whether you're a republican or a democrat and everyone who's in like beauty pageants from here on until the end of time.


GUILFOYLE: Should memorize that answer.

GUTFELD: But there are.

GUILFOYLE: You are the crown. You can win the crown with that answer.

GUTFELD: Or actually republicans because for the longest time, republicans will always have the target on their back on all social issues. But these questions are never answered -- never posed.


GUTFELD: At liberals or democratic candidates, but.

PERINO: That's true.

GUTFELD: This is progress.


GUTFELD: For the republicans.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

PERINO: I agree. I think that he had a good debate and he was the last one of the last to get in and Gilmore was -- I guess the very last but -- of the top tier candidates, he last to get in. I think that was a smart strategy. Although, I think that there should be -- I love to read a story about how he actually got to that decision to run because for a long time, there were people in his circle saying, he's not gonna run, he's not gonna run.

GUILFOYLE: But that was cutting a tight though, Dana.

PERINO: I agree.

GUILFOYLE: Because he just made the cut to get in, and Bill O'Reilly was talking about this saying, this is a very likable man with a tremendous record that had a lot going for him. And you know, even getting in a little bit earlier, you know just to get a little bit more kind of, you know movement behind him, a couple percentage points higher.

PERINO: At least he made the top 10.

GUILFOYLE: People at that time.

PERINO: I've said for a long time, when people get to know John Kasich again.


PERINO: If they don't -- if they sort of forgotten him, he was on Fox for awhile, but if they've forgotten him as a public figure, being reintroduced to him last night and the folks are gonna like John Kasich.


BOLLING: All right. We've got to go.

GUILFOYLE: The folks.

BOLLING: Juan, if you want to see Scott Walker, his opinion of John Kasich, two Midwest governors.


BOLLING: With good records -- catch him tomorrow morning.

GUTFELD: Wait. Is Walker.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

GUTFELD: Walker on the debate?

GUILFOYLE: That was promoting.




PERINO: OK, fine.

BOLLING: Very good point. You have a very good point.

GUILFOYLE: He was going under the moniker Skywalker, isn't it?

BOLLING: There was 80 minutes where Ted Cruz did not say a word.

GUTFELD: Did not say anything. But I forgot Cruz was there.

BOLLING: 80 minutes.

PERINO: Is that right?

BOLLING: Yeah, sure.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: Anyway.

WILLIAMS: And he complained about it afterwards.

BOLLING: All right. Don't go anywhere because we've got a ton more ahead on last night's debate.

And later, Facebook Friday, we answer your questions coming up on The Five.

GUILFOYLE: That's pretty bad from the debate perspective in someone who is like a Harvard debater out.


PERINO: Back now with more of our thoughts on last night's presidential debate. This was one of the most talked about moments of the night, Chris Christie and Rand Paul sparring over civil liberties and national security.


MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE SHOW HOST: Do you really believe you can assign blame to Senator Paul, just for opposing the bulk collection of people's phone records in the event of a terrorist attack?

CHRIS CHRISTIE, NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: Yes, I do. I will make no apologies ever for protecting the lives and the safety of the American people.

PAUL: I want to collect more records from terrorists, but less record from innocent Americans.

CHRISTIE: That's a completely ridiculous answer. I want to collect more records from terrorists, but less record from other people. How are you supposed to know, Megyn?

PAUL: Use the fourth amendment.

CHRISTIE: What do you supposed to -- how are you supposed to.

PAUL: Use the fourth amendment.

CHRISTIE: No, I'll tell you how do.

PAUL: Get a warrant.

CHRISTIE: Let me tell you something. Do you know.

PAUL: Get a judge to sign a warrant.

CHRISTIE: When you.


KELLY: Wait. Governor Christie, make your point.

CHRISTIE: Listen Senator, you know, when you're sitting in a subcommittee just blowing hot air about this, you can say things like that.

PAUL: I don't trust President Obama with our records. I know you gave him a big hug. And if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead.




KELLY: Go ahead, Governor.

CHRISTIE: And you know -- you know Senator Paul?


CHRISTIE: Senator Paul, you know the hugs that I remember, are the hugs that I gave to the families who lost their people on September 11th. Those are the hugs I remember.


PERINO: Big eye roll, Kimberly. Did you see that?


PERINO: Rand Paul's big eye roll?

GUILFOYLE: Well, you know, that's what happens. Want to mix it up. Christie is going to take you down, you know, I.

PERINO: Did you like that? You.

GUILFOYLE: I did like it because if somebody tried to challenge me like that, I'd say yes, that's what I mean, that's what I said, I'll back it up. You've got to be confident. You can't be like the waffle-in-chief. You know, you got it like stick by your statement, to your conviction, to your passion, and guess what? Chris Christie is a former prosecutor who actually did prosecute terrorists. He was actually investigated these cases, prepared warrants. I respect that as a prosecutor myself having put together warrants and done all these kinds of investigations. So I get where he's coming from. I understand that. Understand that -- you know Rand Paul is sticking to his principles and beliefs as he should. I just agree with Chris Christie personally, based on my experience in this area. And Rand Paul has a different view. But then again, he is what, an eye doctor.

PERINO: Right, and a first-term senator that has been running for president.

GUILFOYLE: And he is not a former prosecutor.

PERINO: Correct. Correct. And nobody's telling him how to do eye surgery.



GUILFOYLE: And no one is telling Ben Carson how to do, you know, neurosurgery (ph).

PERINO: Let's go to one other thing. This was Marco Rubio on immigration. Rubio considered.

GUILFOYLE: Is he one of that?

PERINO: One of the brightest -- oh, he did. Did you want to talk about that?

GUTFELD: Well, yeah.

PERINO: Sorry.

GUTFELD: I thought that there -- that was like the most important part of the debate in my mind because it's a philosophical question about rights, and how do you tell terrorists from other people without establishing a baseline. And we always talk about that here without -- and we always go back, OK, then you have to say profiling. And it almost got to that point where he actually admitted, we have to profile. And the eye rolling when somebody's talking about death is you know kind of bad. But I thought that Rand did really well at the beginning of his debate. I felt that he kind of got his ass.

PERINO: That's a tough subject. He -- I think he did well at the beginning of the debate, too. The foreign policy issues are tough for him.



WILLIAMS: But let me jump in and say.

PERINO: I agree.

WILLIAMS: I was watching the Trump show and a real debate broke out, that's what happened.


GUTFELD: Yeah, this was great.

WILLIAMS: Terrific.

GUTFELD: That was just great.

WILLIAMS: That was just great.

GUILFOYLE: This was interesting.


GUTFELD: Like two people who knew how to articulate their points of view go at it.

WILLIAMS: And you know what? It got personal. You know, you're blowing hot air in some congressional meeting room.

GUILFOYLE: I mean it's like you're hugging.

WILLIAMS: And you're hugging Obama.


WILLIAMS: You know, I thought what these guys -- you know, even -- remember.

GUILFOYLE: Well, they have a prior.

WILLIAMS: Donald Trump went at Rand Paul earlier, and I thought that got personal. You're having trouble hearing me. You know, he has a little hearing aid, so.

GUTFELD: I didn't know that.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So I mean, these boys were throwing punches in there and that's what made it so interesting. It was personal and intense at times and again, substantive in terms of that debate.

BOLLING: And I would love to have seen it continue. It kind of ended on the eye roll which I think.


BOLLING: Listen, Rand's a friend, it was -- he should know that camera when you're going back.


BOLLING: That there should be two cameras. You should know you're going to be on, and when that happens, it -- look, he had -- there's a chance. There's an opportunity when Chris Christie said, "The only thing I remember hugging were the families of people who died in 9/11." And Rand knows that Chris Christie was in -- he was in private practice on 9/11. So if he's hugging families, it would have to have been post then. And so there was a comeback, instead of the eye roll, it was just -- I guess, at the moment, just throwing the ball back to Megyn.

PERINO: OK. Let me get.

BOLLING: I would have stayed with it, though.

PERINO: Let us do this one more.


GUILFOYLE: And Rand could have said he hugs people in minority communities because he does.


PERINO: Let me cut up, that's right. All right, let's get to Marco Rubio. Because a lot of people thought that he actually had the best night of all of them. This is him on immigration.


MARCO RUBIO, FORMER FLORIDA SENATOR: I also believe we need a fence. The problem is if El Chapo builds a tunnel under the fence, we have to be able to deal with that, too and that's why you need an e-verify system and you need an entry/exit tracking system, and all sorts of other things to prevent illegal immigration. This is the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration. There are a million people a year who illegally immigrate to the United States. And people feel like we're being taken advantage of.


PERINO: Marco Rubio was En Fuego.


PERINO: Get it?

GUTFELD: Yes. That means on fire.

GUILFOYLE: Dana practiced that.

GUTFELD: He went from struggling for a bottle of water, was it like a year or two ago, to drinking everyone's milkshake. I thought that he possesses the spark of Obama, the combination of charm and comfort necessary to attract younger voters. I think that he won at the 9 o'clock. I think that Carly won at the five, but republicans win when they look more like their adversaries, women, Hispanics, blacks, Cubans, you name it. Get them in.

PERINO: All right.


PERINO: What was like it.

GUTFELD: Load the bus.

PERINO: What was it like in the room for Rubio? Do you think that -- did it have the kind of effect inside that we thought that he -- it had when we were watching on TV?

WILLIAMS: You know I can't judge because I wasn't watching on TV, Dana, but.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, you're big time.



GUILFOYLE: You're big time.

WILLIAMS: No, I'm not. I'm just saying that in the room, he came across as someone who looked presidential, right? That he looked like he was in command of the stage and he was calm. He didn't look flustered at any time. No reaching for the water in this.


WILLIAMS: This presentation, and -- but I must say, he had some good lines, the thing about you know, God has blessed us because republicans have good candidates and the democrats.

GUTFELD: That w as good.

WILLIAMS: Don't have any. That was a good line. And then -- what I thought was also interesting was he said, if this is a matter of resume's, its Hillary has the best resume'. And I thought, wow, that's an interesting concession coming from a republican. But then he went on to say, but this isn't about resumes. This is about the future and I'm the candidate of the future to come to your point, you know, so.

BOLLING: I thought he did a fantastic job. I think he raised his stock. I think Ted Cruz did well. I think even Mike Huckabee had so much -- he had.

GUILFOYLE: What about Ben Carson?

BOLLING: You know what? I love Ben.

GUILFOYLE: I thought he was great.

BOLLING: Ben -- he was fantastic, but.


BOLLING: He was -- I need a little more energy, you know. I was looking for more energy out of him.

GUTFELD: Can't get it from him.


GUTFELD: He's too calm.

PERINO: And he's not willing to fake it.


GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but so what?


GUILFOYLE: But you don't want him to fake it.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: I'm not looking for fake. That's what I'm looking for.


GUTFELD: He needs a Red Bull.

WILLIAMS: But let me.

GUILFOYLE: But this is why he is so calm and he can stand there.


GUILFOYLE: For a zillion hours. It's like.


GUILFOYLE: Conjoined twins.

GUTFELD: You can't be like this if you're a surgeon.


WILLIAMS: Let me just say.

GUILFOYLE: He's like.

WILLIAMS: One last thing from a democrat's point of view.

GUILFOYLE: It's called one more thing.

WILLIAMS: This exchange about abortion and no exceptions in any cases? I can see the democrats running these tapes.




WILLIAMS: And Walker -- huh?

PERINO: And already his campaign has come out and tried to.

GUILFOYLE: But people need to realize the president of the United States isn't going to decide that. Let's be real.

PERINO: I'll tell you, Juan, who the biggest loser was last night?


PERINO: Democrats. When you look at the bench of republicans and the breadth and depth and the excitement and the energy compared to what the democrats are looking at in the next year. There's no question the republicans.

GUTFELD: They don't even have a stool.


PERINO: All right.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my God.

GUILFOYLE: They just need Juan.

GUTFELD: Well, maybe they do.


WILLIAMS: We've got to control you.

PERINO: Potty humor is the best.


PERINO: We've got on The Five.


PERINO: Next, Carly Fiorina is winning a lot of praise from her performance at the first debate. We're going to show you why. And Facebook Friday is coming up, so please don't go away.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.


GUILFOYLE: Donald Trump may have been the most talked-about candidate from last night's primetime debate. But at the first showdown, it was Carly Fiorina.


CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary Clinton lies about Benghazi. She lies about e-mails. She is still defending Planned Parenthood, and she is still her parent' party's frontrunner.

2016 is going to be a fight between conservatism and a Democrat Party that is undermining the very character of this nation. We need a nominee who is going to throw every punch, not pull punches.


GUILFOYLE: Well, following the debate she shut down Chris Matthews.


CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC ANCHOR: You called Hillary Clinton a liar tonight on a number of occasions. Do you want to explain why you would use such an almost end-of-conversation term for your possible opponent next year?

FIORINA: Because it's true. By any standard common sense measure Hillary Clinton has lied.

MATTHEWS: Do you really think that's a way to engage in a debate, to call your opponent a liar? I'm astounded by that judgment of you.

MATTHEWS: I didn't say she lied about everything. I was very specific. Very fact-based, actually. You are the one who's made a generalized comment now about her, not me.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, her brain -- we have more script. Let me tell you something, her brain is so big, you cannot take her on. She will slay you, Khaleesi, mother of all dragons style.

All right. Fiorina dominated Google searches throughout the evening. So the question is, will she propel herself into the top ten, baby? After that performance yesterday, my prediction yes. Take it around the table. Dana.

PERINO: Well, I think that she could. One of the best things that happened to her was being in that first debate because she shined. I don't know if in the top ten if she would have had enough time. We were just talking about the breakdown of the numbers of how many each candidate got to speak. On that stage, she wouldn't have had as much time.

On that one, at the 5 p.m. debate, she was fantastic. She comes -- she's so knowledgeable. So she comes at things with facts. And that's why she was able to push back against Chris Matthews.

You're looking for somebody who's a fighter, who is real, authentic, knows what she's talking about, experienced. Carly Fiorina is one to watch. In order for her to get in that top ten, somebody else has to drop out. And I don't know how that happens.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. She's very good. She's very impressive. My brother e- mailed me last night. He's said Carly Fiorina was fantastic. She crushed it. He's like, "I want her to be president." He told me he gave her money weeks ago. That's saying something.

PERINO: If you donate money that is something.

GUILFOYLE: Let's see if actually, the cash flows now after this performance.

Both of you, what's up? Rochambeau.


GUILFOYLE: This is the most mature show on TV.

BOLLING: Top that, Bret Baier at 6 p.m.

So I think that's the most important thing that came out of this. Of all the things yesterday, there's going to be jockeying for position. Polls will move.

Carly Fiorina, who needs money. That's going to be the most important thing to her going forward. I think she just solidified herself going forward for a long time.

I will tell you, with Rick Perry -- Perry has money so he may stick around for a while. But Santorum needs money, too. Whatever money was going to go there, if it has half a brain at all it will go right to Carly Fiorina. So that would be my takeaway.

GUILFOYLE: Carly had her Jerry Maguire "show me the money" moment last night. That's what I'm calling it. Go ahead.

GUTFELD: You know, the most amazing achievement is that Chris Matthews couldn't speak. I mean, getting Chris Matthews to stop talking is like trying to get John Boehner to stop crying. She didn't just walk away with that debate. She dragged it out into the woods and shot it. There was nobody within a country mile of her. She's like a walking Ginsu knife. Everything is so articulate and focused and precise. And I think that she would make mincemeat out of Hillary.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, she was amazing. She was supercharged last night. She was slaying everybody.

WILLIAMS: Again, she looked just crisp, and she's commanding. I thought that's the way she came across. Now, I saw a little bit of this, because they had the big TV screen. And that was my impression.

But in between she looked again very uptight on the stage. And I don't know how that plays when people see her in person. If they feel like she's someone you can relate to. And I think that the news out of that debate, not only that Fiorina did well but that she's going to be exposed now to greater scrutiny for her time at Hewlett-Packard, which I don't think is all that positive.

PERINO: Cue the New York Times Sunday article.

WILLIAMS: There we go.


PERINO: I'll tell you in terms of relatability, she was a rock star at all the college Republican events that she went to all summer long. The young men and women that go to those events. They really loved her. So in terms of relatability, to younger people in particular...

WILLIAMS: I happen to have an inside story.

GUILFOYLE: Women of the GOP should, like, jump in and help her out. But we'd love her to come on "The Five." She's definitely earned a spot here.

PERINO: She's all right.

GUTFELD: She is suited for the presidency. Hillary is pant-suited.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Again, riveting show, isn't it? Don't move. Facebook Friday is up next. Greg's got it.



GUTFELD: There were 5 billion interactions on Facebook last night about the debate on FOX News. It's time for Facebook Friday. I'll start with Kimberly, come around. This is from Pete F. "What is your favorite amusement park ride?" And don't say yourself.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God!

GUTFELD: She's curvy and a lot of fun.

GUILFOYLE: It's getting worse by the minute.

GUTFELD: What is your favorite...

GUILFOYLE: Bumped (ph) into Juan's body, which is actually even stranger.

What's my favorite amusement park -- this is going to sound really silly.


GUILFOYLE: Well, it's "Pirates of the Caribbean," Juan.

GUTFELD: Oh, that's great.

You go down fast and then it's...

GUTFELD: I really like that. I always thought it was very nice. It has a little bit of edge to it, because there's a slight little dip. There's a little splash and it's nice.

GUTFELD: Like me. Slight little dip.



WILLIAMS: I don't remember the name of it, but you went into this theater, and the seats shook. What is that? You know, like at Disney or something.

GUILFOYLE: You mean at Universal Studios?


BOLLING: Spider-man. One of those?

WILLIAMS: I like that. I don't like these roller coaster rides.

GUILFOYLE: You must like A Small World. Well, that's charming and has nice music.

GUTFELD: That's called it's a normal world.

GUILFOYLE: That's where Greg lives.

WILLIAMS: I have this problem. You're supposed to be like a dad. You're supposed to be like a male. And then my daughter Reagan loved, loved roller coasters.

GUILFOYLE: Such a good name.

WILLIAMS: I would just have to wait until somebody came around. Would you mind if she...


BOLLING: Roller coasters. Love the wooden roller coasters especially. There aren't many of those.

GUILFOYLE: How about the water rides?

BOLLING: Water rides are good. I like them all. I really enjoy any of those rides. But Chase loves the roller coasters. Some of them are intense now. Like upside down rolls and barrel rolls.

GUTFELD: In a carnival they're usually intense.

BOLLING: Gotcha.

GUTFELD: Stupid. Sorry. Dana.

PERINO: My turn?


PERINO: I used to go on every ride. I loved it. And then someplace around 28 years old? Something happened. And I can't go on any rides anymore. Like my equilibrium. I get sick.

GUTFELD: Yes, you get older.


Do you and Greg ever go to the thing where you have to be measured? You have to be this tall to get on the rides?

PERINO: Summer fun day camp I could not go.

GUTFELD: My favorite ride, I love bumper cars. But I also like the tea cups. I like the tea cups. I like spinning around.

PERINO: I like the big swing things.

GUILFOYLE: We're getting, like, move on.

GUTFELD: OK. We'll go this way now. Dana, what is the No. 1 -- this is from Martha S. What is the No. 1 thing on your bucket list?

PERINO: The problem, I don't have a bucket list.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: I actually need to work on that. I don't have one.

GUILFOYLE: But you love lists.

PERINO: I do love lists.

GUILFOYLE: That's quite peculiar.

PERINO: I'm going to make a list of the lists that I need to make, and a bucket list...

GUILFOYLE: Can you share it with me?

GUTFELD: Eric, bucket list?

BOLLING: I think it has to be bungee. I really want to bungee jump.

PERINO: Never done that?

BOLLING: I've never done that. No.


PERINO: I can arrange that.

GUILFOYLE: I think that's a bad idea.

BOLLING: You do?



GUILFOYLE: Well, it's dangerous.

GUTFELD: Yes. That thing can break. It's one big splat.

GUILFOYLE: You know, that to me is not...

PERINO: At least it's quick.

GUILFOYLE: Not necessary (ph).

BOLLING: I know, but you have about the same risk of dying crossing the street...

PERINO: More so. More so.

BOLLING: ... on Sixth Avenue.

GUTFELD: Than getting hit by people bungee jumping.

Well, anyway. Juan, what's on your bucket list? Don't say Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: That's the obvious.

WILLIAMS: That would be a curvy roller coaster.

GUILFOYLE: Again this is inappropriate.

BOLLING: Mrs. Williams is out of town, obviously. Out of contact.

GUTFELD: I apologize. I apologize. I'm the one making these horrible references.

BOLLING: It's your fault.

GUILFOYLE: It is your fault.

GUTFELD: It is my fault.

WILLIAMS: There it is. You know, when I was like 19 I was in Africa. And I was -- and I went on a safari, right?


WILLIAMS: So I would like to go back. I'd like to take my kids.

GUTFELD: Yes? That's nice. That's cool. Kill a lion. Good for you, Juan.

WILLIAMS: That's exactly what I had in mind.

GUTFELD: Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I would love to go on an African safari.

GUTFELD: With Juan Williams.

WILLIAMS: Could I roar? Yes, roar.

GUTFELD: On my bucket list I have sand buckets, a paint bucket and a water bucket.

WILLIAMS: You're so delightful.

GUTFELD: All right. Jon Stewart left his show last night after 16 years. We'll bid him farewell next.


WILLIAMS: After 24 million people watched the GOP debate on FOX News Channel, the guy who made a career out of mocking Republicans and this network quietly bowed out.


JON STEWART, FORMER HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW": This is just -- it's a conversation. This show isn't ending. We're merely taking a small pause in the conversation. A conversation which, by the way, I have hogged. And I apologize for that.

Rather than saying goodbye or good night, I'm just going to say, "I'm going to go get a drink. And I'm sure I'll see you guys before I leave."


WILLIAMS: Jon Stewart managed to keep his emotions in check during his "Daily Show" departure until Stephen Colbert came out.


STEPHEN COLBERT, ANNOUNCED HOST OF CBS'S "THE LATE SHOW": Here's the thing, Jon. You said to me and to many other people here years ago, never to thank you. Because we owe you nothing.

STEWART: Yes, yes. Thank you. That's right.

COLBERT: That is one of the few times I've known you to be dead wrong.

We learned from you by example how to do a show with intention, how to work with clarity, how to treat people with respect. You were infuriatingly good at your job.

On behalf of so many people whose lives you changed over the past 16 years, thank you. And now I believe your line -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- is -- we'll be right back.


WILLIAMS: Greg, you know, it was a nice moment. But I mean, the fact is that from the perspective of the right, he was a propagandist to the left.

GUTFELD: But you have to learn from what you would consider your adversaries. If you want to persuade someone to your point of view, you've got to do it with a smile and a smirk, which is why he was so effective. Jut anger -- anger doesn't cut it.

But if you look at the media response, it's as if he died. I mean, it's such a huge thing. I don't blame them. Because for 16 years he has patted the media on the head for their shared assumptions. He's provided them with their talking points. When they didn't have anything to think about, they went to him for their point of view. Now what are they going to do?

WILLIAMS: Well, we'll see. You know, in fact, Dana...

GUILFOYLE: Bolling looked like he had tears in his eyes.

BOLLING: No, I was like, bye-bye.

GUILFOYLE: Was it allergies? Or was that?

BOLLING: No. It was neither. There was no welling up whatsoever.

GUILFOYLE: Very wet. Maybe rewetting tears?

BOLLING: The sad reality is that he did command young people's -- they go to -- they went to Jon Stewart for their news. And that's scary. Because what he -- look. Let's expose what he did.

He's extremely talented. He's funny. He's satirical. He hits the right nerve. But what they do is they take us, who are live on TV, not taped. And sometimes you say something and you may not mean exactly what you say. That take that snippet, they put it out, and then they put 15 hours into it and say look at what an idiot Bolling is or whomever is.

That's not hard to do. But he delivered it with absolute precision.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling did you make the hall of fame there? Are you an all- star?

BOLLING: No. Was not on.

GUILFOYLE: How many mentions on...?

BOLLING: On him? I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: You're such a math guy.

WILLIAMS: Anyway, here's the math for you. Three-and-a-half million people tuned into his finale.

BOLLING: They did? That's awful.

WILLIAMS: Not compared to us. But I'm saying, that's pretty good for him. And you know what else? You've got to think about Lewis Black, Ed Helms, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, all out of that show. That's not bad. That's a good line.

PERINO: That's a good farm team. Is that that right, right reference?


GUILFOYLE: Pretty good. Pretty solid, baby.

PERINO: I might try out for the job.

WILLIAMS: Now you've been on that show. Did you like it?

PERINO: Yes, I liked it very much. And one of the things, when Stephen Colbert says that he taught him how to -- Jon Stewart taught everybody else about how to have respect for the guests that were coming, I remember the first time I ever went on. It was years ago when I was the press secretary. And we were in the green room. And he came to say hello.

And I said, "Are they going to boo me?"

And he said, "No one ever boos in my audience, because I talk to them beforehand." And it was -- every time I had a chance to go on, which I was grateful for, I was treated very well.

WILLIAMS: Well, I've got to say, after I went on that show, book sales went up. "One More Thing" up next.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Juan. Let's...


BOLLING: "One More Thing" -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. This is so exciting. So I'm a big fan of and an Amazon prime member. And I don't know if you know if you're a prime member you can get instant videos.

But they're also going doing a brand-new concept, which is pretty exciting which is featuring pilots. And if people download them and like them, then they can become a new series.

So one of the proposed series is called "Casanova," and it's available now on Prime. And it chronicles that little-known period in history, life of one of 18th Century's most famous playboys, Casanova, an often misunderstood man. It's quite enticing.

PERINO: I thought you meant pilots like airline pilots.

BOLLING: That makes no sense.

GUILFOYLE: Take a look at this. You're going to like it. You guys have got to, you know...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are a peasant who's lived by his wits his entire life. A gambler and a con man whose ability to charm women is the envy of every man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Madame, may I introduce Monsieur Casanova.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, it's a beau. Like television and stories about history like this, you should really check it out.

GUTFELD: And that's history.

BOLLING: And you're up, Greg.

GUTFELD: That's history.

PERINO: I'm going to watch it.


GUTFELD: Greg's Crime Corner.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, first for this.

GUTFELD: There has been a rash of dog break-ins. Let's go to this. They're breaking into private pools, and they're just leaping in. And they're just -- and their filthy, naked bodies get into your pool. They clog it up with hair. And then when they leave, they leave behind a dirty protest. By the way, that was -- that was your dog.

PERINO: That is -- OK. First of all...

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean was?

PERINO: ... I gave it to you for "Greg's Sports Corner" to show his athletic ability. And you changed it to crime corner.

GUTFELD: Pushing dog videos on me.

GUILFOYLE: He turned it into a crime scene. You have sullied the reputation of America's dog.

GUTFELD: That's true. Dog deed (ph).

PERINO: OK. Because I let Greg promote my dog, I have to promote his show.


PERINO: Actually I'm excited for this. On Sunday night at 10 p.m., Greg is going to have some members of the New York Urban Debate League. This is the college students or high school students that are going to come on, and they're going to critique the GOP debate. And I love speech team nerds more than anything.

GUTFELD: They are speech team nerds.

PERINO: So I'm tuning into that.

Also he has a new book out. It's a little book. It's small in stature. It's short.

GUTFELD: So now, yes, preorder.

PERINO: Yes, you can preorder it. It's called "How to Be Right."

GUILFOYLE: Are those the ones that are blank.

PERINO: He quotes me a lot.


GUILFOYLE: It's still blank?

GUTFELD: It's still blank in there.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: No. There's some stuff in there now.

GUTFELD: That's not the book, though.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. Do you put your jacket cover on another book?

GUTFELD: Yes, I cross-dress.

GUILFOYLE: This is an episode of "Greg's Crime Corner" again.

BOLLING: All righty. They're making me rush. Very quickly, tomorrow morning, Scott Walker. I ask him -- I sit down with him, and I ask him about Jeb Bush's claim on common core. And also pick a side on the Chris Christie-Rand Paul debate over the NSA. I think he made some news. So check it out at 11:30 tomorrow.

GUILFOYLE: Scott Walker.

BOLLING: My wife will be on, as well.

PERINO: Now I'm definitely tuning in.

WILLIAMS: OK. So while Hillary Clinton was taking selfies with the Kardashians and not watching the debate on FOX, Bernie Sanders was live- tweeting the debate using the hashtag #DebateWithBernie. And in fact, Bernie was reacting to all the candidates.

Here's what he says: "Tonight follow the debate live with me. Join the conversation." And Bernie gained over 10,000 new followers on Twitter while he had that clipboard on his lap. He didn't even know what to do. So he had to tell someone else what to tweet. But you know what? For the old guy hats off. It worked.

PERINO: God it done.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, that's so funny.

WILLIAMS: New followers. Wake up America.


BOLLING: Hey, Greg, rock, scissors, paper. Rock, scissors, paper.


BOLLING: Have a great weekend. See you Monday.

GUTFELD: That's the new one.

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