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December 02, 2010

DREAM Act More Like a Nightmare?

Guests: Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," December 3, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: President Obama talked about audacity, and it seems that Prince Harry Reid is taking him literally.

Now yesterday, the Prince and his pal Senator Dick Durbin introduced not a first or a second or a third but a fourth version of the DREAM Act on the Senate floor. Now, the bill would grant amnesty to children of illegal immigrants who join the military or attend college for at least two years.

Now the Senate has not held a hearing on the DREAM Act in seven years, but that's not stopping the Democrats from moving full steam ahead.

But the Democrats of audacity goes beyond that. In fact, one democrat doesn't think the DREAM Act goes far enough and he is using scare tactics to boil lawmakers into passing this bill and others like it.

Illinois Congressman Luis Gutierrez as he and other Hispanic leaders are ready to blanket the country with marches and sit-ins and protests in order to get this measure and many more signed into law. Perhaps most surprisingly, he's even considering breaking with the Democratic Party to accomplish his goals.

Now, Congressman Gutierrez was supposed to join us tonight, but he canceled just a short time ago. However joining me now with reaction is the man who is leading the GOP opposition to all of these measures, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions. Senator, welcome back, thanks for being with us.

SEN. JEFF SESSIONS, R-ALA.: Thank you. Good to be with you.

HANNITY: All right. You sent out a press release, you're urging colleagues to oppose DREAM Act amnesty. Why do you call it amnesty? And let's go into some detail on this.

SESSIONS: Because, Sean, it puts the applicants who qualify for this standard on a guaranteed path to citizenship. All they have to do is really just attend college for two years. They do not have to have a degree. Only a sliver of those will use the military. Ninety percent plus would use the college type and degree program to gain this amnesty. And it would deal with a million, two million individuals, up to age 30.

It's just not the right policy. It would in fact just be -- be just the opposite of what message we should be sending, which is that we're going to end the lawlessness at the border and create a lawful system of immigration and stop rewarding illegal immigration.

HANNITY: Well, you said it's filled with loopholes. You go on to say we would be rewarding illegal behavior, and you said it would encourage more illegal immigration in the future.

So what did you think of Congressman Gutierrez's promise? He's promising, number one, to leave the Democratic Party entirely, he's going to leave them and then he promised to have sit-ins and protests and marches, and then he said, comparing it to the civil rights movement.

SESSIONS: Well, look, this is not the civil rights movement. We simply have to have a lawful system of immigration in America. The American people are demanding it. I think it was crystal-clear that there's no chance this bill would have no chance after January, in the new Congress. The new members elected are not for this kind of mass amnesty, and I do believe that this administration, along with Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi, are desperately attempting to move this bill through in this lame duck session before the new Congress takes office.

HANNITY: All right. They're claiming this bill would only grant amnesty to children of illegal immigrants who join the military or attend college for two years. You're claiming that this would grant nearly unrestricted amnesty. Why is there such a conflicting view of what the bill says? Are they misrepresenting the bill?

SESSIONS: No -- well, what version of it? But if fundamentally all you have to do is sign up at a community college, even a correspondence course as I understand it for two years, and claim you want to attend college basically, and want to get a degree, and that's all you have to do. You do not have to have a degree. Very few people are going to use the military option. probably less than five percent, three percent, two percent. Most of them will use this education option to try to gain legal status, and you can do it up to age 30.Once a person is then legalized, they're able to legalize their brothers, who may have been the person who brought them here illegally. They can bring in other people from outside the country.

And so these bills, there's so many different versions of it, but are just unwise. And also, one terribly dangerous thing is, an individual can just assert, once they're subject to deportation, that they're working on their degree and claim the benefits of the DREAM Act, and really gum up the entire legal system. It would be a major detriment to enforcement.

HANNITY: Congressman, I'd be negligent if I didn't ask you, we're obviously following in 29 days, we may have the largest tax increase in American history. But all 42 Republican senators signed a letter, sent it to Harry Reid, and said that until we deal with the issue of the Bush tax cuts that the Republicans would stay united against any other legislation.

Are you convinced that even more liberal Republicans are going to hold the line and stand firm on not raising taxes in the middle of this economic slow-down?

SESSIONS: I am. I believe Senator McConnell and the leadership was wise in this degree. We have got to fund the government, and we have got to deal with the tax issues. It's unbelievable that we've left uncertainty on taxes hang out there for so long. The business community does not know what's going to happen.

So we need to finish that first, but they want to do the DREAM Act, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," a lot of controversial issues first, and what we're saying is do the most important things first.

HANNITY: And are you confident that at the end of the day that this -- that the extension will go for everybody? For example, would any Republican support bifurcating middle-class versus small business and the so-called wealthy?

SESSIONS: I believe that the Republicans will insist on the -- on the -- you know, the full extension of the act as written, and not allow the taxes to increase on anybody, at least for a certain period of time. I believe all the Republicans are committed to that, and that will mean that they cannot raise taxes on anyone in this economic recession we're in.

HANNITY: All right. Senator, thanks for being with us. I appreciate it. We wish Congressman Gutierrez would have come on the program. He just canceled a short time ago. Nothing we can do.

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