• With: Juan Williams, David Limbaugh

    This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," January 17, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    SEAN HANNITY, HOST: It's sad, but true. The race card is on full display once again as lawmakers on the left say that those that disagree with the president's new anti-gun plans, well, they must be racist.

    Now listen to what Congressman Hank Johnson told CNS News yesterday after the president announced he's going to bypass Congress and put forward 23 executive actions.

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    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- just a minute ago, that part of the NRA's true colors was a personal dislike of the president. Why do you think, why do you think that is?

    REP. HANK JOHNSON, D-GA.: Well, first of all, first of all -- first of all he is a black and as a black person being the president of the United States, that's something that they still cannot -- they still cannot get over. They couldn't get over the first election. They're still shell shocked at the second election to use a pun, shell shocked.

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    HANNITY: Congressman Johnson, I have a wild thought. Perhaps the NRA disagrees with the president's policies because they represent an assault on the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

    And there's more. Just yesterday, New York Congressman Charlie Rangel said that the racists in the south are to blame for the lack of gun laws in that region. Oh really> Listen to this.

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    REP. CHARLIE RANGEL, D-N.Y.: New York is a little different than more progressive in a lot of areas than some of the states and some of the southern areas have cultures that we have to overcome.

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    HANNITY: Joining us now with reaction to this, the entire gun control showdown, author, attorney, David Limbaugh and Fox News political analyst, Juan Williams. Juan, your reaction?

    JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I don't think that this is about the president's race, but I think that race has a lot to do with this conversation and that's why I think you see Congressman Johnson from Georgia, saying, look, if you look across the South, high membership in the NRA, high amount of gun ownership, principally among whites, and in fact, mostly Republicans, and it makes for a huge divide in terms of trying to enact some reasonable legislation that puts in place reasonable gun control.

    HANNITY: How's race -- it's a more rural area and people have been brought up with the use of guns, hunting is more widespread. Not many hunters in New York City, Juan.

    WILLIAMS: Yes, I agree.

    HANNITY: So, I mean, it's a little different than an urban or city environment, isn't it?

    WILLIAMS: That wouldn't stop you from saying that hunters and NRA members don't understand that there's a need for reasonable gun control legislation in the country.

    HANNITY: That's not what he said. What Hank Johnson said, they still can't get over that Obama is black, that's what he said. That's race baiting.

    WILLIAMS: I agree with you, I agree with you, Sean. I don't think it's legitimate argument to make and in his mind a lot of southerners -- 60 percent of white people didn't vote for Obama and the South went overwhelmingly for Romney. Maybe that's what he's saying?

    HANNITY: I am getting tired of this. David Limbaugh, I'm getting tired of this country being led by the president, being divided along racial lines, rich versus poor, black versus white, old versus young. This president is the most divisive president in history, and of course, we hear from his party almost daily now. And maybe they don't know the campaign's over.

    DAVID LIMBAUGH, AUTHOR, "GREAT DESTROYER": You know, Hank Johnson said he can't get over, we can't get over that he's black. I can't get over that he's a Marxist. You know, this constant usage of liberals and Obama of the race card is damaging race relations, it's damaging minorities, it's damaging blacks.

    I can tick off 17 examples of Obama's exploitation of race and had them in both of my books and have them listed here if you want to waste the time going into it. But this is hurting race relations and Obama is deliberately projecting race on to his political opponent, saying it's their racism. It's a case of deliberate projection and he's doing it to his political advantage and it's shameful. And Juan, I don't think subscribes to it, and I wish he would condemn it.

    WILLIAMS: I just did! And by the way, David --

    HANNITY: No, no. He's saying Obama's use of it. He's saying, you know, unchain, they're going to put you back in --

    LIMBAUGH: It's deliberate, Juan.

    WILLIAMS: David, where did you see President Obama say this was because of race? He said that there's too much killing in this country. And you look up in Connecticut and those were overwhelmingly white children.

    LIMBAUGH: He's got his mignons out doing it for him. He went to minorities in the 2010 and 2012 campaigns and appealed on the basis of race, told them to get out there. Eric Holder said that we were are cowards on race. Obama continues to talk about injecting race into all aspects when he talks about bitter clingers. He suggested that we had antipathy for people who don't look like us. He said if he had a kid, he would look like Trayvon Martin. All these things are race on the brain.

    WILLIAMS: David, a man of your intellect, David, you're way off in the weeds and lost touch with the central argument that I'm making to you, that you can see the carnage in the black community at a tremendously high rate on a --

    LIMBAUGH: You ought to be worried about black on black crime then instead of exploiting children!

    WILLIAMS: I don't care. So what you are saying David is because it's black on black crime it's tolerable?

    LIMBAUGH: No! What? I said you ought to be focused on it, you ought to be focused on that.

    WILLIAMS: Let's focus on putting in place reasonable gun control that keeps guns out of the hands of these gang bangers killing fellow Americans.

    HANNITY: They don't obey laws, law breakers don't them, Juan.

    LIMBAUGH: Gun control won't do it.

    WILLIAMS: What do you mean, gun control -- go ahead, David.

    LIMBAUGH: Gun control has the opposite effect. You have these assault weapons ban and you increase crime. You create these gun-free zones and that's where the maniacs go. Most of the weapons, most of the murders are committed by hand guns, only a small percentage by assault weapons, which by the way do not exist, no such thing, it's semi automatic that reload automatically. We've got to keep the guns in the hands of people to defend themselves.

    WILLIAMS: Let's come back to the heart of this argument, David. You're saying somehow the gang bangers and thugs all go to gun-free zones. David, they're getting guns from states that have lax gun thaws, those guns are funneled into places like New York, Chicago, Houston and used to kill people.

    And that's why most Americans -- and I would add, according to Frank Luntz, most NRA members think that you can put in place reasonable steps that don't take away your Second Amendment rights.