FEHRNSTROM: Yes, you did.
HANNITY: Yes. Just checking. All right. You guys have negative -- well, I
don't want to say -- you have ads about each other. Why don't we start with
Governor Perry's ad about Mitt Romney. Here it goes.
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GRAPHIC: Mitt Romney on Race to the Top. - Florida Town Hall in Miami. Sept
ROMNEY: I think Secretary Duncan has done some good things. He is the
current Secretary of Education. He, for instance, has a program called Race to
the Top which encourages schools to have more choice, more testing of kids,
more evaluation of teachers. Those are things I think make, make some sense.
GRAPHIC: The next day on national TV.
PERRY: There is one person on this stage that is for Obama's Race to the Top
and that is Governor Romney. He said so just this last week. Being in favor of
the Obama Race to the Top, that is not conservative.
BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Did Governor Perry say something that wasn't
ROMNEY: I'm not sure exactly what he's saying. I don't support any
particular program that he's describing.
GRAPHIC: "Words have meaning." - Mitt Romney. Paid for by
ROMNEY: Race to the Top which encourages schools to have more choice, more
testing of kids, more evaluation of teachers, those are things I think make
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HANNITY: Your reaction?
FEHRNSTROM: Well, what the Perry campaign left out of that clip at the
beginning when the governor was talking about Race to the Top is that he
believes in state and local control of education. But they just snipped that
right off. It makes me think that maybe they've hired Edward Scissorhands as a
HANNITY: Is that any difference than Obama's Race to the top? Is there a
FEHRNSTROM: Well, here's the thing with Governor Romney in education. He
believes very deeply in high standards. He believes in accountability for our
teachers, he believes for merit pay for our best teachers. He believes for more
choice for our parents, but he believes that decisions about the development of
those standards should be left to state and local control. Now, of course
there's a role for the federal government to play in encouraging states to move
down, and develop these types of programs, but in terms of a common core of
standards, one national curriculum for the entire country, Mitt Romney is
absolutely opposed to that.
SULLIVAN: Here's a problem, those clips were one day apart. He praised
Obama's education secretary and Race to the Top one day. And the next day.
HANNITY: I want to be fair here. Didn't he say Rick Scott -- he was talking
about the governor of Florida, right?
SULLIVAN: He was talking about.
HANNITY: Sorry, Florida education person.
SULLIVAN: No, he was talking about the Obama Education secretary. One day
before the debate, I don't know where that came from. This is a pattern of the
HANNITY: The first person that is going to be happiest with this is Bret
Baier, our friend from "Special Report," now that he's made the ads.
I'm kidding but go ahead.
SULLIVAN: A problem and a pattern of Governor Romney since he ran, tried to
run for the left in some cases of Ted Kennedy in 1994, run to the right of Mike
Huckabee four years ago. This is someone who has changed positions a lot. In
the book, which has been edited between the first and second versions, he said
the stimulus would accelerate the economic recovery, in the second version of
the book that's out. In the first version of the book, he said that Romneycare
is a good model for the nation. That was taken out. This is someone who's been
on all sides of all issues, and it's really been a problem that has been
dogging this campaign.
FEHRNSTROM: Can I just say, let me respond. There has been an effort by the
Perry campaign over the last few days to manufacture phony charges against Mitt
Romney. I just showed you or explained to you how they did with respect, to
Race to the Top, they've done it on some of the other issues, you just heard
Ray speak about it.
Look, I think candidates for president have an obligation not to
deliberately misrepresent the facts, and that's what the Perry campaign is
doing, but it's understandable because they're feeling the heat on illegal
HANNITY: We ask both of you for your latest campaign, that was the ad you
gave us. Here is the latest ad that Governor Romney is running in the campaign.
Let's roll the tape.
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UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Who supports Governor Perry's decision to give in-state
tuition to illegal immigrants?
GRAPHIC: Barack Obama. Nancy Pelosi. Harry Reid. Even…
VICENTE FOX, FORMER PERSIDENT OF MEXICO: I want to publicly recognize
Governor Perry and the state of Texas by having taken that step forward when
you decided to give access to Mexican migrants to universities in Texas.
PERRY: If you say that we should not educate children who have come in our
state for no other reason that they've been brought there, by no fault of their
own, I don't think you have a heart.
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HANNITY: All right. This is the first time that.
FEHRNSTROM: This is the first time that's aired.
HANNITY: Yes, you're reaction.
SULLIVAN: Awful close, Sean, to crossing line. And it's fundamentally wrong
HANNITY: What part of the ad is wrong?
SULLIVAN: The whole context of it. Perry has done more to secure that border
than anyone in the country. Four hundred million state dollars, Texas rangers,
boots on the ground, support for local law enforcement. Our law enforcement
officers in our state, not feds, have been shot at across that river. We deal
with this issue every day. Fight this issue every day, and have a solid plan to
secure that border.
FEHRNSTROM: Yes. Let me just say, Sean, while Rick Perry's immigration
policies may be supported by liberal Democrats, like Harry Reid and Nancy
Pelosi and Barack Obama, they are also cheered in foreign capitals like Mexico
City. And I talked earlier about how in-state tuition for illegals acts as a
magnet to bring people over the border into our country. And there are more
than 16,000 illegal immigrants in the public college system in Texas. That's
more than the enrollment of the University of Miami.