Rudy Giuliani delivers fiery speech at Republican National Convention

Can't we just vote for Giuliani?


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 19, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and she flew in on a fruit glide, Dana Perino. This is "The Five" and this is Cleveland.

Today, Republican delegates are about to officially nominate Donald Trump for president. I hope they don't start with "I have a dream." House Speaker Paul Ryan will lead the roll call within the hour. This, after the first night which focused on national security. But the plagiarism, do the Trump's campaign carelessness has obscured the best speech in ages: Giuliani's.

Rudy reminds you of what could have been, speaking with force, clarity and clearly, 10 cups of strong coffee. He spoke the truth:


RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: We must not be afraid to define our enemy. It is Islamic extremist terrorism. You know who you are.


GIULIANI: And we're coming to get you.

If they are at war against us, which they have declared, we must commit ourselves to unconditional victory against them.


GUTFELD: My God, where has that man been? Can't we just vote for this guy? Real words by a real person about a real threat, Rudy gets it. He has dealt with such threats. He understands priorities and that's what it is about: priorities. You want another four years of fools, fretting over phobias and feelings, or leaders that can confront direct threats, which is Islamism.

Today, Dana and I went kayaking with wounded warriors -- the heroes who truly get it. Spend just a little time with these heroes and you see how small other people's priorities can be by comparison. These are the folks on the frontlines, paying for our freedoms. And there will be more of these heroes who will walk toward the threat that's coming straight for us. And if they return, they may never be the same.

So think of them when you vote. We may have skin in the game, but it is their skin that pays the price.

All right, let's go around here on the speech of Giuliani. That, you know, he is the happy warrior. And that was just -- to me, I was like, I felt --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Like he's had it.

GUTFELD: He's had it, yes.

PERINO: He has had it up to here, and you don't want to take it anymore. Obviously, it was a really good speech. I thought that from the national security standpoint, it capped the night. I do think that the Trump campaign, even though they're reluctant to give details, there is some questions as to, then what exactly are you willing to do, because a lot of the campaign initially was a non-intervention type of thing -- which is fine. But then how do you square that with what actually needs to be done. And I feel like people when they go to vote, they gonna want more explanation. I don't think Hillary Clinton is going to be more clear on that next to either.


PERINO: In a way voters can go with their gut instinct. And it is a good thing. I think that Rudy Giuliani has a good relationship with Donald Trump, because clearly .


PERINO: . he is somebody to listen to.

GUTFELD: But that's what I was thinking. You know, 2012, that's -- Giuliani didn't talk like that. Now he's talking like that. Is it a Trump influence?


GUTFELD: Yeah, '08.

BOLLING: Sure, he was that Giuliani probably .


BOLLING: . would have locked it down.


BOLLING: At least the nomination, part of that, I think Dana is right. Well, it doesn't -- OK, so he is here. He is ticked off and he's touch -- he's tapping in to that same anger and feed off and tired of all this stuff .


BOLLING: . that is probably the Trump base, but Hillary Clinton can't do that. She --


BOLLING: That's why I think it is going to come down to two things, its national security, but more importantly, the economy. So eventually we are going to get to the economy, but national security last night was super important on people's minds. And that's why I think he will continue to grow as time goes towards the election.


BOLLING: It's going to get bigger and bigger. And I think you'll going to start to see the polls flip up .


BOLLING: . in his favor.

GUTFELD: You know, Juan, you were telling me earlier that you thought this was the greatest speech you ever heard.


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, it was the only speech where I had to turn down the TV because the guy was screaming at me the whole time, Gregory. You talk about 10 strong cups of coffee.


WILLIAMS: What was going on?


WILLIAMS: Holy Molly, you would have to go to the bathroom. That was too much coffee.


WILLIAMS: But you know what --

GUTFELD: That's right.

PERINO: That's true, though.


GUTFELD: Two cups and I'm running.

BOLLING: Too much time on a bus. I think (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: That's the problem, right.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

WILLIAMS: So but you know, I just, the think about this is I don't even know this guy. I mean, it seems to me that Rudy Giuliani has reinvented himself now. I think maybe he's next career is as Rush Limbaugh. I think he's that or something else. Maybe Sean Hannity, I don't know.

GUTFELD: I think he was energized by the fact that Trump kind of broke -- he broke the seal, where you can now kind of say how you feel. How strong - -

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I like that. I don't have -- I think authentic, you know, if that's really Rudy Giuliani .


WILLIAMS: . I don't think he would have been elected mayor in New York, you know.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, but you know what, I think this is Rudy Giuliani. I mean, this is exactly the man that I know, the man that I admire and respect as a former prosecutor. He is a leader. This is what he has been saying and talking about on this channel, getting the message across. I think it was incredibly helpful to Trump and his message of make America safe again. I'm the law and order candidate and let me kick this off by having Rudy Giuliani that lead-off. And I think the very good, auspicious start.

WILLIAMS: While I played to the base of the Republican, I played --


WILLIAMS: It really played, I think better among the delegates than it did on TV, because as I said, I felt like he was screaming at me. But the thing that worries me here is it's a little bit like oh, make America safe again. Hey, guess what, Republicans, America is pretty safe right now. If you listen to Greg, when he and I are arguing about guns, you know what Greg says? America is safer today than it's been, I think back to the 1950s.

GUTFELD: The more guns we have, the safer it is.

WILLIAMS: There you go. So you're being honest, but --


WILLIAMS: I don't know. They keep saying we're not safe, we're not safe.

BOLLING: Well, Juan, let's -- I think what they're not talking about safety, not talking about gun control, gun violence. I think what they're talking about right there is national security safe.


WILLIAMS: No, no, that's not (inaudible).

BOLLING: No, no. There have been, there have been terror --

GUTFELD: Ever been that's a threat.

BOLLING: Right, there have been terror on perpetrated on the homeland more times on President Obama than anyone else, and that means we're less safe than be.

WILLIAMS: I don't want to get into the number of sets --




GUTFELD: I don't want to get into facts.

WILLIAMS: I'll leave it alone.

BOLLING: No, no, Juan --

GUILFOYLE: That's getting in the way.

WILLIAMS: OK, I'll leave it alone, but what I will --


WILLIAMS: But what I will say is that --

BOLLING: About 15 people dying here.


BOLLING: Forty-nine people dying --

WILLIAMS: Right. But I think it's still, and you know, this sounds like I'm speaking for the Obama administration because they say anything like this.

GUTFELD: You would never do that.

WILLIAMS: But they, you know, the fact is .

GUILFOYLE: Impossible.

WILLIAMS: . you are more likely to be struck by lightning, Eric Bolling.


WILLIAMS: Than you are to be attacked by a terrorist.

BOLLING: And the part is you --

GUTFELD: But lightning --

BOLLING: And you're becoming more and more likely to be attacked by terrorists .


BOLLING: . on the Obama administration.

WILLIAMS: But I'm saying, so --

GUTFELD: Lightning, lightning doesn't follow a doctrine that is telling him to kill everybody.


WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah, yeah.

GUTFELD: Lightning is just Mother Nature. It's not like --


GUTFELD: Hmm, let's go kill everybody that's in the west .


GUTFELD: . because -- who is a Muslim.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, based on an ideology.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you want a little bit more of -- from Rudy? Here is another message from Rudy.


GIULIANI: We say thank you to every police officer and law enforcement agent who is out tonight protecting us when they come to save your life, they don't ask if you are black or white. They just come to save you!


GIULIANI: It's time to make America one again, one America. What happened to there is no black America. There is no white America. There is just America!


GUTFELD: Dana, some people would say that's definitely divisive.


PERINO: Interesting. I was thinking about Hillary Clinton next week. So they don't -- Hillary doesn't want to become labeled as the anti-police party.


PERINO: Right? That is not a good thing going into -- for any experts and for Democrats. Obviously, it didn't work out too well for them. A generation ago, took them a generation to get back to the White House after that. So, how she decides to handle this next week at her convention will be very telling. And I think they're probably recalibrating their speeches and their focus groups to make sure they try to hit that message right, but I hope she does speaks from the heart and is honest, so that we can know what we're dealing with.

GUTFELD: Do you want to listen to Sheriff Clarke or you go for it?

BOLLING: Just very quickly, just say that, I think the way you counter that as a Trump campaign is when she tries to carve out some law and pro law enforcement space. Just keep replaying those sound bites after San Bernardino .


BOLLING: . and Orlando, when she agreed with President Obama about gun control .


BOLLING: . stepping up gun control and gun laws. You can't have it both ways.


WILLIAMS: But you know --

BOLLING: One week of your convention pro law enforcement --

WILLIAMS: I think we've got a preview --

BOLLING: And then not --

WILLIAMS: A preview yesterday, Dana, because Mrs. Clinton was at the NAACP convention.


WILLIAMS: So here she is in a very difficult situation where people could easily criticize her for speaking only to black concerns and not together fact that you have police officers being slain in our streets, but what she said was, we have to do the very difficult and essential work to repair the bonds of trust between the black community and the police. And I think that's as important. And I think subjectively --

PERINO: And true.

WILLIAMS: True message, yeah.

GUTFELD: The way she said it, her cadence. Oh, just makes your ears bleed, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Can I -- yeah.


GUILFOYLE: Can I tell you, everybody was so happy and proud of the job that Mayor Giuliani did .


GUILFOYLE: . after 9/11, I mean that's a guy that is really excelled in a leadership position. He has ideas, he knows what to do. He is certain. He is smart. He has the respect of law enforcement and lawyers alike and prosecutors. When you hear him talk like that, you know what I thought to myself? I feel really comfortable and sleep well at night if he was in charge of something important and big, like homeland security .


GUILFOYLE: . something of that nature, because of he's a man on message, he's a man who is unafraid and he's got the specifics. He knows what needs to be done. I like that.

GUTFELD: Good point. Want to leave with Sheriff Clarke?


GUTFELD: He had some interesting stuff to say. Go sheriff.


DAVID CLARKE JR., MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF: Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to make something very clear. Blue lives matter in America!


CLARKE: What we witnessed in Ferguson and Baltimore and Baton Rouge was a collapse of the social order. So many of the actions of the occupying movement and Black Lives Matter transcend peaceful protest and violate the code of conduct we rely on. I call it anarchy.


GUTFELD: He's got quite a voice, I think. I mean, what a discovery, I think, and it is something that we need to hear. It's talking about the police, not a Smurfs, when he says blue lives matter.

BOLLING: Yup. He was affected, too. Why he affected? And he has been. He's been the leading voice on the pro law enforcement. I'm curious to see what happens in Philadelphia, when you have all -- huge massive law enforcement .


BOLLING: . presence here. When they go to Philadelphia and you had all these Black Lives Matters protesting, all these Democrats who been pretty anti-law enforcement, pointing the finger at cops .


BOLLING: . in these situations. I mean, it's going to be a clash.

WILLIAMS: I don't think there's -- again, you see Democrats pointing the finger at cops.

BOLLING: I do. I do.

WILLIAMS: I think America loves police officers.

BOLLING: I would say you're right, generally, but I think that's more a conservative value than a liberal value.

WILLIAMS: OK, I don't know. It's hard to weigh the scales of justice. But I say America, according to the polls, loves policemen and we love law and order. The thing about Sheriff Clarke is you wonder, you know, he is playing to the base again. I keep waiting for Republicans to try to persuade the middle. I just don't see --

PERINO: But I, I don't --

GUTFELD: But it's just the middle is pro police.


GUTFELD: It's the far left who hates the police.

WILLIAMS: No, no, I say --


WILLIAMS: Right, but you're trying to say, oh, the left hates the police.

GUTFELD: They do.

WILLIAMS: I don't think most people don't hate the police.


BOLLING: I say they blame the police --

GUILFOYLE: They've been putting that board of ideology and their rhetoric.

GUTFELD: I think they blame envy.


GUTFELD: All right, I --

GUILFOYLE: Do you see someone like Sheriff Clarke, you say, OK, I feel good about police, I feel good about him in a leadership position as well. He is a strong voice and he's courageous, and I think it is very important.

GUTFELD: All right, coming up, what to expect on night two of the Republican National Convention. We are also awaiting the official nomination of Donald Trump. So don't miss that. Back in a moment.


GUILFOYLE: The Republican National Convention opens up again for day two in about 15 minutes from now. On night one, Melania Trump electrified the crowd.


MELANIA TRUMP, WIFE OF DONALD TRUMP: My husband has been concerned about our country for as long as I have known him. With all of my heart, I know that he will make a great and lasting difference. Everyone wants change. Donald is the only one that can deliver it. He is ready to fight every day to give our children the better future they deserve, to serve and lead this country as the next president of the United States.


M. TRUMP: Thank you. God bless you and God bless America.


GUILFOYLE: Mrs. Trump is winning a lot of praise for her address, but the speeches also surrounded by some controversy over part of it compare similarities to Michelle Obama's convention address in 2008. Donald Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort, address the controversy over Trump's speech this morning.


PAUL MANAFORT, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: It's basically three places in the speech, and it is fragments of words. She knew what she was doing. And she never occurred from another speech without acknowledging that she was quoting somebody else. Her speech last night was a very poignant presentation of the person she knew and really of her coming to America, and what it meant to her to become an American citizen. That's what we should be talking about because that was the message. That was the message of 99.9 percent of the speech.


GUILFOYLE: All right. So the message of 99.9 percent of the speech generally speaking -- let's talk about how you felt the delivery, how it came off and we can discuss content. Juan, go ahead.

WILLIAMS: I want to be --


WILLIAMS: I want to be supportive. I want to be, you know, because I think she did a very good job with what she had. She stared at the teleprompter a little too much, but I think she came across as authentic. And in some ways, I think people watching, viewing, were largely felt that it was very good, that she did a good job. And it seems also, like you know what, she has a good relationship with her husband.

GUILFOYLE: It does seem that way -- Bolling?

BOLLING: Just words, right, Kimberly, just words? Here is what I mean by just words. So all this controversy about Melania's similar comments that Michelle Obama had for eight years ago, I can't remember which of, eight years ago. President Obama, before his president, he's running for president, Senator Obama, the candidate, lifted exactly the same words that Deval Patrick used in the speech with just words. That was -- Google it. Check out Deval Patrick, Obama just words speeches. They're almost identical as well. So this controversy over is, was there two lines that were similar? I think it is overblown. I think Manafort put that to rest. And I also think, I agree with Juan that she had a beautiful speech.

WILLIAMS: Eric, you know --

BOLLING: Just words, Juan, just words.

WILLIAMS: I don't see how you can justify her excuses.

BOLLING: Just words.

WILLIAMS: This is terrible. This is --

BOLLING: I'm not expecting --

WILLIAMS: This is just -- you know what?

BOLLING: I think it's the same thing, but Obama did it himself eight years ago.


PERINO: And he was roundly ridiculed for it.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my, gosh.

PERINO: And that is, that, I think is the point. Somebody did a real disservice to her. Because that speech that she gave, she was brave to get up there. I thought she was very, very good .


PERINO: . getting high praise all around. I wake up this morning and I'm like, oh, no, why did they do that? And also, I just thought the campaign has given seven different explanations, and that -- it's not her. And if she is mad, she has a right to be, because they did a disservice to her. And this is not meant -- you're not saying this to like hurt the Trump campaign, like hiding the fact that they actually have a problem in terms of dealing with crisis, communication. It's not a big deal in terms of crisis, but overall from a PR standpoint, it's like knitted it up and somebody really did a disservice to her.

WILLIAMS: She said she wrote it herself, Dana. That's even more damaging.

PERINO: That's another part of the explanations. There were several of them that all came out.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Greg.

GUTFELD: I'm glad she didn't bring up any heartwarming stories Sasha or Malia, because that would have been a problem.


GUTFELD: And Eric Trump, you better look into speech, get rid of the part where you say, as now, what you can do for your country, because that's been done. I agree with, I agree, I think that -- I admired her. I think of my wife. So my wife is born in Russia. And I would imagine her trying to get up and do a speech, if I was running for office .

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: . in front of 40 million people, how terrifying and how hard it would be. And it is admirable to me that this woman, who got up there and note, and speak multiple languages .


GUTFELD: . and is able do that. It is incredibly impressive.


GUTFELD: So it goes back to --

GUILFOYLE: They're right.

GUTFELD: They let her down.


GUTFELD: They screwed her over. And that is, I think that is unacceptable. And by the way, we all know, nobody writes these speeches who say -- there are speechwriters.

BOLLING: But are you saying it was that big of a deal that --

GUTFELD: I think it is humiliating.

BOLLING: It was too long to use that word similar to Michelle Obama.

PERINO: Not to.

GUTFELD: It was a much more than that. And it was an important -- it was a section about honesty.

PERINO: And it was --

GUTFELD: That's the problem.

PERINO: Describing her husband and like how hard for the speechwriters would --


PERINO: For the speechwriters .


PERINO: It's not that hard to come up with an explanation.

GUTFELD: She should be so angry, because she was --


GUTFELD: She was talking about something about honesty, sincerity, and they had lifted that, and she --


GUTFELD: It was a win for her.

BOLLING: Wait a minute.

GUTFELD: She was so brave.

BOLLING: I think there is a host on CNN that's still there, and had a similar situation, but CNN had the -- look, I think, look, I'm agreeing with you, but I just don't think it was that big of a deal to start with.


WILLIAMS: Let me tell you why it is a big deal. You know why it is a big deal? Because Eric Bolling has to not only defend it, but talk about it for the whole segment. And that's, I mean, that's crazy. If you're trying to run a --


WILLIAMS: Republican campaign.

BOLLING: That frankly, a lot of people --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, obviously.


PERINO: Come on.

GUILFOYLE: The bottom line is --

BOLLING: To, to -- with Michelle Obama?

GUILFOYLE: Dana, I agree with you that a disservice was done to her, because she really, I think was a standout in terms of the way she composed herself and it was genuine how she cares for her husband. She loves him. She believes in him. And she wants to share him with America to do something great for the country.

GUTFELD: But you know what?

GUILFOYLE: But somebody should have been protecting her. Having first .

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: . lady and have to give a lot of speeches, you got to protect her.

GUTFELD: And you know what, all they have to do was insert personal stories instead of platitudes. I mean they can't roll out a tennis ball. That's the problem with this campaign.


GUILFOYLE: Well, I think that also the take way for me was I thought that, you know, she was compelling. She has an interesting story. She is highly educated, multiple languages, class act, master's degree . GUTFELD: You know what?

GUILFOYLE: . would make a good first lady. It's very elegant.

GUTFELD: An example of the great immigration.


GUTFELD: The great immigrant.


BOLLING: Look, Mark Stein uses some of your material with the cabinet.


BOLLING: That's not --

GUILFOYLE: You and Mark Stein were separated at birth.


GUILFOYLE: All right, secrets last night made very powerful cases, so why Hillary Clinton should not be our next president. Those highlights, ahead.


BOLLING: We're waiting for the big moment. The RNC is about to open up for day two, and Donald Trump is going to be officially nominated as his party's candidate for president. Stay tuned for that huge moment.

Last night's focus was on national security and why Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted to make America safe again.


PAT SMITH, MOTHER OF BENGHAZI VICTIM: I blame Hillary Clinton, personally, for the death of my son. That's personally. That's right, Hillary for prison. She deserves to be in stripes.

MARK GEIST, BENGHAZI ANNEX SECURITY TEAM: Benghazi was about opportunity, opportunity at stake and when we defy to, stand down orders. And opportunities squandered when Hillary failed to protect her people on the ground.

LIEUTENANT GENERAL MICHAEL FLYNN, FORMER DIRECTOR OF DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: I have called on Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race, because she, she put our nation security at extremely high risk with her careless use of a private e-mail server. If I did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today. Crooked Hillary Clinton, leave this race now.

RYAN ZINKE, MONTANA CONGRESSMAN: I shutter to think how many times our flag will fly at half mask if Hillary Clinton is in the Oval office.


BOLLING: Well, we'll bring it around KG, pretty impressive speeches last night.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, very impressive, very strong. I mean it doesn't get much stronger than Lieutenant General Flynn coming out and just like dropping the hammer on her saying, really, what a lot of Americans feel in the polling, which is, that she is not to be of trusted. That what she did was unethical. That it was something that was criminally wrong as well, and he is saying if it was me, in her position, then I'd be out and I would be in jail. I think that's a pretty persuasive statement.

BOLLING: What do you say, Juan? Did they make the case last night? KG's vote, they make the case.

WILLIAMS: No, I mean -- if Flynn is still speaking, I mean it just went on and on and the audience -- the hall was empty. They stayed. I think he started way late, like almost midnight. So, the thing about it is, sure, it's like, you know, watching Sean Hannity show there last night. It was like yeah, we're playing at the base, we're driving the base. I don't see any evidence that they're after persuading anybody who might have some questions. And what is right now, a very close race that they should be coming over to Donald Trump side.

BOLLING: Dana, we talked about the mother Smith, who died in Benghazi, pretty powerful again.

PERINO: Yeah. Impressive woman who was later then in the green room and you talk about admiring her strength, right. She is very brave to get up in front of all those people and she having to talk about something that no mother should ever have to talk about. So I thought that that was powerful. I think tonight, the speech I'm looking forward to seeing is Paul Ryan.

So how does he walk the line that he has decided to draw for himself and talk about the policy and future? And I think that, actually, Juan, what you're talking about, in terms of appealing broader, like outside of the base -- and Paul Ryan may try to do that tonight -- maybe you'll give him some applause tomorrow.

WILLIAMS: I like Paul Ryan.

BOLLING: Don't hold your breath.

WILLIAMS: By the way, I think he'll talk about the agenda for the House.

BOLLING: All right. Greg.

GUTFELD: All right. I don't -- I'm not so sure that those speakers last night will persuade. But you know who will persuade? Hillary Clinton. Every time when you -- she opens her mouth, a thousand people run screaming. She sounds like the warden at, like, Cellblock H explaining curfew.

Like, I listened to the NAACP speech. And it didn't matter what she was saying, it as so -- the cadence of it is so manufactured, it's painful. And I think that the more that she talks, the more it helps Trump.

BOLLING: All right, we're going to leave it right there, because we have a lot more to get to today. Two of Donald Trump's -- tonight, two of Donald Trump's children are in the lineup to speak at the RNC, Tiffany and Donald Jr. We'll tell you what else to expect on night two of the convention. That's coming up next.


PERINO: Day two at the RNC is underway. Today's theme is "Make America Work Again."

More Trumps are set to take the stage tonight -- his children Tiffany and Don -- along with party leaders Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Also, two of Trump's former opponents turned supporters will speak. That's Ben Carson and Chris Christie.

And we are still awaiting the biggest moment of the day, Trump's official nomination, which we're going to bring it to you live as that happens.

I've got to say, do you remember, you guys, when 20...

GUTFELD: Twelve.

PERINO: ... 12, was that when Christie spoke?


PERINO: OK. And that speech was sort of like, like no one was really happy. Do you think that he's thought that through and tonight will be different? Is he going to try and top Rudy Giuliani?

BOLLING: So and the whole issue was Chris Christie talked about himself the whole time.


BOLLING: It wasn't nominating Mitt Romney. It felt like Christie was running for president down the road after Mitt Romney won or didn't win. But -- and so I think the same issue is going on with Ted Cruz right now. Will Ted Cruz come out and deliver a nominating speech for Donald Trump?

PERINO: But he's not on the list.

BOLLING: I know. But there is still...

PERINO: They're trying to negotiate.

BOLLING: Allegedly he's coming.

PERINO: Want to see my list?

GUILFOYLE: They're in talks.

PERINO: Dr. Ben Carson is going to speak tonight, too. Juan, do you expect anything in particular out of his speech?

WILLIAMS: Yes, I think now Ben Carson really is a Trump supporter. And I think that what you see is that Ben Carson, I think Ben has the idea in mind that he can be persuasive, that there are people there who want to hear from someone who, both in terms of the evangelical spirit, but also in terms of the minority spirit, that "You know what? I trust Donald Trump. And I think that Trump's values" -- and that's what I think you're going to hear from Carson -- "that his values are in concert with people who want better for their families."

PERINO: And what about you, Kimberly, in terms of...


PERINO: ... the campaign has been making sure we know very clearly that the -- all the children are going to speak. So you have Tiffany and Don Jr. tonight. Any expectations?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I think they're going to give great speeches, and I'm sure they've been gone over very thoroughly. Well, somebody better. If they're my kids, I'm like let's make sure.

BOLLING: You know how easy it is? It's as easy as typing the speech, just cut and pasting it into a website, and they'll tell you if it...

GUILFOYLE: Right. Well, let me tell you something. In terms of the children and the family -- I mean, they're grown-up adults now, but the point is, they're smart; they're bright; they're passionate about their father, very articulate. So I think they're such an asset for them, and it's really great that he can have them, like, meet America and connect and say that, you know, "You're getting all of us. It's a package deal, this family, on your behalf." And I like that. I love when a family comes out strong.

PERINO: There's a guy going to speak, Greg, that you might want to get to know. His name is Kerry Woolard, and he is the general manager of the Trump winery.

GUTFELD: Yes. Big fan, big fan.

Actually, I'm more excited about Tiffany Trump. She's like the fifth Beatle of the Trump family. You know, you know all the other ones, but she's always in the background; she doesn't say much. She's like...

PERINO: Going to get a moment.

GUTFELD: She's like Pete Best.

BOLLING: Pete Best.

GUTFELD: Do you remember Pete Best?

PERINO: No. I know.

GUTFELD: He was the drummer for the Beatles.

By the way, if Donald Jr., take out that line, "Tear down the wall."

GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with you?

PERINO: Kimberly, you know who else I'm excited to hear?


PERINO: Michael Mukasey, the former attorney general of the United States.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he's great. One time when I was in for Greta, our friend at seven, he was on; and it was right after some big breaking news. He's very smart. He's an impressive man. I look forward to that, just from, you know, a former prosecutor perspective, as well.

PERINO: And you know the speech that, Juan, you're going to love?

WILLIAMS: What's that?

PERINO: Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action. Are you ready for that?

WILLIAMS: I'm sure that the NRA paid the bill. That's why they're here.

But you know, what strikes me is...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, so cynical, Juan.

WILLIAMS: ... the dog that didn't bark in this story? Is you got all his family, you get the winery guy, you get the NRA guy, because there are a lot of Republicans who just didn't show up. I mean, the star power at this thing, low wattage.

GUTFELD: We got a soap opera star.

PERINO: That didn't do it for you last night, Juan?

WILLIAMS: The soap opera star?

GUTFELD: Kimberly Brown.

GUILFOYLE: I think she was so negative. It has gone very well so far. There's nothing low wattage about Rudy Giuliani. He should have his own energy drink at this point. He's amazing.

BOLLING: Don't forget: Kimberly Brown.

You start low and go...

WILLIAMS: You start low?

BOLLING: Huge, huge things later in the week.

WILLIAMS: You start low.

GUTFELD: Kimberly Brown.

PERINO: Juanie loves Chachi.

GUILFOYLE: Marcus Luttrell was great last night.

WILLIAMS: What was that -- what was the male model? The male model?

GUTFELD: Antonio Sabato Jr.

PERINO: No, he was an actor, OK?


PERINO: All right, you guys. We're going to have to go. That's it for us. We're going to turn it over to Bret Baier now as the call to order is about to get underway. And we're going to see you back here tomorrow afternoon, 5 p.m. Eastern.

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