This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 15, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: We vote unanimously that
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev shall be sentenced to death. That was the determination
of 12 jurors, 7 women and 5 men in the Boston marathon bombing case.
According to a Fox News producer, inside the courtroom, Tsarnaev showed no
emotion upon learning his fate. The jury delivered the verdict just over an
hour ago after nearly 15 hours of deliberations. The judge told the jury
they performed with grace and that they should be proud of their service.
The same jury last month found him guilty of all 30 counts brought against
him related to the bombing, 17 of which made him eligible for the death
penalty. United States Attorney General Loretta Lynch released a statement
saying, "The ultimate penalty is a fitting punishment for this horrific
crime and we hope that the completion of this prosecution will bring some
measure of closure to the victims and their family." A very important
moment, I think in American history that justice was served. This is an
incredibly important task that this jury was asked to perform the decision,
not only to determine the guilt or innocence for capital murder, but the
decision to whether or not a state and the government should take this
man's life. That decision made today. Dana?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I would say that the United States
government, the people of Boston, the prosecutor's opening statement, all
fit should be praised. It reminded me of the Oklahoma City bombing trial
that was took place in Denver because of a change in venue and that at the
end of it people said that was a trial that was held with a most of
integrity. There was no question as to any of the -- none of the situation
was characterized as being inappropriate or injustice towards Tsarnaev and
that I think he was treated very well and faithful to our constitution. So
I -- I'm glad that we had jurors like those 12. They had a sit through, all
of the trial and then all of the sudden seems to me, they came to the right
decision, but they did so very thoughtfully and with really good guidance
from the U.S. Justice Department.
GUILFOYLE: Right, Greg, your reflections and thoughts on Tsarnaev?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, it's fitting. He gave us the
finger and we're going to give him the needle. That means wondering how
Rolling Stone is gonna commemorate this, will there be a souvenir issue
with the fold out poster. We heard a lot of interesting arguments about
preserving -- saving his life and there are people saying that life in a
cage is worst. I disagree, I -- human beings, in my opinion, can adapt to
any surroundings. He would have had hobbies, he would have had books, he
would have had food, he probably would have been able to workout, the idea
that a loss of freedom is worse than a loss of life is an absolutely lie.
This is a wonderful thing. And the other great thing is I love the fact
that his sick little groupies won't be able to send him any more letters,
because he'll be underground. He'll be dead. We got to find another pin-up
ghoul to chase. Maybe they can marry him, before he dies.
GUILFOYLE: That that can happen. I mean, we've seen some stranger's stories
in that, Eric, your reflections?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I agree with almost everything my two
co-hosts have already said. I -- I would also point out that I think they -
- he will become sort of, some sort of team hero, a martyr. They gonna
martyr and they are going to say, look at this poor guy, he didn't have a
chance to -- he was under the influence of his brother. That's all water on
the bridge now. He's gonna go away for life. I mean, he's going to go away
--
GUTFELD: From life.
BOLLING: From life. One of the interesting things is there have only been
three people executed in the United States since 1977. Only 36 people
executed in 80 years. So --
PERINO: Federally.
BOLLING: Federally. Yeah, federal state levels, this is -- you know, this
is a federal --
PERINO: Right.
BOLLING: Sentence. So he may be around for a long time. I think the average
is 15 1/2 years, before the -- between sentencing the death penalty to
actual execution. So we may hear a lot more of this, this guy,
unfortunately. And again, I -- I just hate to think about it but, there's
going to be a lot of people martyring him, Rolling Stone Esq.
GUILFOYLE: All right, what do you think? Was justice serves to Tsarnaev?
JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: You know, I -- I disagree somewhat
with Greg, you and I talked about this earlier. I think life in prison in
supermax in Florence, Colorado, where you don't get to see the sky for 23
hours a day and you literally go insane, because solidarity requirement
(ph) --
GUTFELD: Have you seen the sky there?
ROGINSKY: In Colorado was a beautiful sky --
GUTFELD: Not so much.
ROGINSKY: And I will tell you, for me personally, if somebody said to me
left in prison in supermax, without the possibility of parole, or the death
penalty? I want the death penalty and so I think --
BOLLING: He could administer his own (inaudible)
ROGINSKY: Quite honestly? Well, he's getting it anyway. But this for me --
BOLLING: (inaudible).
ROGINSKY: Yeah. But so -- you know --
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: What he did is horrific. For me, personally -- the bigger penalty
for me would have been, for 20-year-old to spend the next 50 years --
GUTFELD: But you got to understand.
ROGINSKY: Supermax.
GUTFELD: You got to understand --
ROGINSKY: Horrible.
GUTFELD: There are people who -- human beings have a tremendous ability to
adapt. When people lose limbs, they adapt. When people are in prison, they
adapt. This kid would have got in -- in within five years, would have had
the place wired.
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: I'm certain of that -- he's only 19.
GUILFOYLE: Keep in mind, this is an individual who ran over his own
brother, his own flesh and blood to get away, to save himself, when his
brother was laying there wounded, dying. I mean this is who we are dealing
with who the government, the state, by you knows, a trial by his peers --
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Charles Manson has a wife. I mean, people -- time allows for
potential of all sorts of pleasures that this is now gonna be deprived.
ROGINSKY: I again, I'm speaking personally from what I would want if I were
in his shoes, I would want to be put to death. I would not want to spend
the next 50 years in the supermax (inaudible)
and I think that would have been a more fitting punishment for his
absolutely horrific time --
GUILFOYLE: What about the families? You know, the survivors --
BOLLING: Yeah, what about -- they have no choice. They lost loved ones. At
least Tsarnaev has, has --you know, has a choice. Or people who are on
death row, you know, they can choose to end it quicker. Can I point
something out, though, spending 17 years or 16 years on death row costs the
federal government more than extending a life. Maybe not an 18-year-old
but, on average spend extending a life -- a prison term for the life of a
prisoner.
ROGINSKY: And the families also --
BOLLING: What's more? -- Appeals and the whole process -- process.
ROGINSKY: Yeah. And I think with the families, just one of the families
wanted to cut a deal from what I understand and say, look, we're able to
get the death penalty off the table if you don't appeal, because that's
gonna allowed to move on and this appeal are gonna make us you know,
impossible for the next 15 years with families --
GUTFELD: That's the point of the appeals. The point of the appeals is to
make you not do the death penalty, which is why you got to do the death
penalty. Also tired of him being portrayed as a victim, it would be comical
--
ROGINSKY: Right.
GUTFELD: If it wasn't so grow (ph)
test. There are a lot of kids who start out with less opportunity than him.
Including, when you came over here from --
GUILFOYLE: Sure?
GUTFELD: Ukraine. He had friends --
GUILFOYLE: Oh, Russia.
GUTFELD: He had hobbies. He had sports. He had his youth and its health. He
had better opportunities --
GUILFOYLE: His great education, my God.
GUTFELD: Yeah. So screw him.
ROGINSKY: Can I actually speak to that?
GUTFELD: Yeah.
ROGINSKY: Because you are absolutely right. He came here as a refugee from
-- I believe he touched it, but also for the former Soviet Union as should
I. Talk about being grateful to this country for what it has given and what
does he do? It's --
GUTFELD: Yeah.
ROGINSKY: Even more offensive to me, because this is somebody who knows
what this country provided him and then he went and did what he did. It's -
-
GUILFOYLE: Well, he was an equal partner and participant, Dana, because
this was not an innocent. So that man you're looking at on the -- on the
screen in the bottom half, this is somebody who deliberately, he, himself,
placed the bombs behind where a child, an 8-year-old little boy was killed.
PERINO: And this is not just a crime, OK? This was a terror attack on U.S.
soil, based on radical Islamic extremist. His brother and himself, that
decided to attack America. And one of the things that we haven't really
talked about, because the trial has been going on is -- so what was the
intelligence failure? What was the police failure that -- I mean were they
so hidden underground? We have last week, a story that the FBI now confirms
that we have thousands of ISIS supporters in the United States. That could
be just maybe that they go online and they are a supporter in that way, but
how what -- how are we to deal with that, that many people that are willing
to perhaps, carry out something like this because, we had no intelligence
on these two. So there are thousands across the United States, that's
actually really bothersome to me. And you know, we're about to have a
debate in Congress about intelligence gathering and I am disturbed by how
it's going. But you know what, there's a lot of support for it, bipartisan
support for this new way going about. I just -- I hope we don't end to
regret it.
GUILFOYLE: Now, I mean, this is a purpose -- the example of how the
importance of intelligence gathering and trying to thwart an attack like
this. It was just -- you know, a horrific moment. I'm sure you all remember
where you were when this happened and when this news broke. It was just,
you know devastating and something like the Boston marathon that -- when
you hear about it for years, it's such an American thing, everyone coming
out with their families and children to celebrate and be there together,
it's just a really difficult time in American history.
PERINO: And so many of the victims there had -- if you look at their
photographs or read their bios, they had so much promise, so much hope and
with just any American taking advantage of the opportunity to go to school,
there several students, there was the young boy. And also people who
gathering on a day to celebrate one of America's great sporting events, the
Boston Marathon.
GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. And the young man, law enforcement, Sean Collier.
You know Sean Collier, they gave up his life trying to protect, you now
when there was a manhunt going on for them. And keep in mind this is an
interesting strategy, right? Because they have essentially, conceded his
guilt. And yes, he was involved, but he wasn't such an active, you know
over participant. He was under the influence of his -- you know brother
that really had a holdover him. Prosecution did a good job of showing even
in the guilt phase that in fact, that wasn't the case which I think help
them in the penalty. And the penalty phase, the defense called 44
witnesses, prosecution just called 15.
GUTFELD: You know what's funny about that -- that defense too is that it
makes actually worse. That you were under the influence that you didn't --
you had a choice to say no. That's actually, that's actually -- you could
argue that is even more heinous than his brother. Is that you had the
ability to step back, but it's like, when you read about -- criminal pairs,
where a man is killing somebody and the woman goes along with him. And that
she says, but -- I wasn't part of -- no, you could have done something and
you didn't. That makes it, in my opinion, because you had that opportunity,
even worse.
ROGINSKY: And you know what --
PERINO: And right from wrong.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
ROGINSKY: And what is even more horrific is his mother, I think is back in
(inaudible)
wherever she is, is out there trashing in at states, saying that her sons
are basically martyrs. Are you kidding me? After what this country did for
her when she came here? There were unwealth (ph), I mean, it's unbelievable
to me. But, yeah, this is the kind of family he grew up in. And you know
what? A lot of people grow up in troubled families. You don't have to go
down that road. Nobody's putting a gun to your head to go and put -- as you
pointed out, a suitcase bomb behind a -- 8-year-old boy, and so, you know -
-
GUTFELD: His brother killed some people. Didn't his brother kill a number
of people before this even happened or they are finding this out?
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Yeah. So I mean --
GUILFOYLE: Multiple homicides. I mean, really charming. And the mom,
another charmer --
GUTFELD: It's awful.
GUILFOYLE: There's a warrant out for her arrest too, unbelievable. All
right, we're gonna have want the Boston bombing to come.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BOLLING: ABC News is under fire for a breaking -- for breaking scandal
which has their flagship anchor George Stephanopoulos making $75,000
donations to Hillary Clinton family's foundation. It all reasons of bias
yet, here's Stephanopoulos in 2012, claiming there's no bias in the media,
none whatsoever.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bias in the media?
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, CHIEF ANCHOR OF ABC NEWS: I don't. Who are you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would be the research center? You don't believe there's
any liberal media bias?
STEPHANOPOULOS: They can't have.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: How nice, interesting claim coming from a guy who looked like he
had just devoured a huge bias sandwich (ph), when he interviewed Clinton
Cash Author Peter Schweizer, last month.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEPHANOPOULOS: Any evidence that a crime may have been committed? We have
done investigative work here at ABC news found no proof of any kind of
direction action. There's no evidence at all that Hillary Clinton got
directly involved in this decision.
(CROSSTALK)
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you have any evidence that she actually intervened in
this issue? The Democrats have said this is indication of your partisan --
interest. They say you used to work for President -- President Bush as a
speechwriter. You funded by the Koch brothers.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Well, that sounded more like a PR guy going on the offensive for
the Clintons than a journalist conducting a fair and balance interview.
That exchange and then he's getting caught with his hand in the Clinton
cookie jar led to this. Stephanopoulos has made (inaudible)
this morning on Good Morning America.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEPHANOPOULOS: Over the last several years, I've made substantial
donations to dozens of charities, including the Clinton Global Foundation.
Those donations were a matter of public record, but I've should have made
additional disclosure on air when we cover the foundation. And I now
believe that directing personal donations, that foundation was a mistake.
Even though I made them strictly to support work done to stop the spread of
aids, help children and protect the environment in poor countries. I should
have gone the extra miles to avoid the even appearance of a conflict. I
apologize to all of you for failing to do that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Yeah. And Greg, ABC is standing behind his apology and mea culpa.
GUTFELD: The apology -- he apologized for the wrong thing. The infraction
is not that he personally donated, he need to help -- you know help
children. He's kind of saying, like I'm sorry, I did good. No.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
GUTFELD: We're talking about the fact he didn't disclose it. But this
should not be a surprised that he is bias. He's about as even-handed as
Captain Hook. He's so slanted. Skateboarders could do jumps off of him. But
his crime is masquerading as being objective. Imagine of a Dallas Cowboy
cheerleader, with the referee for one of their games. That's him doing
interviews of behalf of the Clintons order network about the Clintons. No
one should be surprise.
BOLLING: Now, K.G., I brought this up a couple of months ago and before the
donations even came to light and felt that his history with the Clintons
would make him a biased journalist going into an election season with one
of the contenders being Hillary Clinton.
GUILFOYLE: So the question is -- you know, she should have brought it
forward herself or how about even they'll be see if they thought, there
would be a suggestion, you know of --
BOLLING: Bigger --
GUILFOYLE: Propriety.
BOLLING: K.G., bigger -- even without the donations, should he be the guy
interviewing Hillary Clinton or covering the campaign?
GUILFOYLE: I mean, he's probably too close to it, especially because his
job, you know he's the chief political guy, he's a journalist, you know.
And he is someone who is involved in serious interviews. He's not just
there to provide analysis or opinion, for example, like we do, on this
show. So there is a journalistic distinction I think that can be made with
some clarity that, yeah, it was inappropriate.
BOLLING: Thoughts (ph).
PERINO: A couple of things. So he's had a long career -- two careers,
really. So he was in the White House and then, I think that he
successfully, for the most part, made the pivot to a new career in media.
And I will tell you that every time when we were in the White House, if we
had to put someone on the Sunday shows, no one from senior staff -- I can't
remember, single complaint from any of the cabinet agencies members, none
of the -- the vice president or president, never complaining about him. He
was actually someone that you said you could go on and be fair. I do think
that he -- obviously, he made a mistake here. I so think the apology was
sort of weird because, how could you not know about the conflict of
interest. But I actually think ABC itself made things worse for George
Stephanopoulos. And that's because, this story originates by good
reporting, by the Washington Free Beacon. That is a conservative site that
is ignored by the rest of the media, sort of dismissed. ABC gets the phone
call and instead of calling back to the Washington Free Beacon, they make a
decision to call yet another friendly media outlet, that's friendly to
Democrats and the (inaudible)
and that's to Politico. So they made it even worse for George
Stephanopoulos by just not answering it, answering the question to the
reporter who first called. The last thing I would say is the Clintons ruin
things for everyone, right? Just like stop -- I don't understand. You end
up in this swirl of corruption that maybe you had nothing to do with. You
just wanted to help kids. But yet, here they are, once again, in your --
(inaudible).
ROGINSKY: You know who said that? George Stephanopoulos, because I remember
reading his bio when he left the White House.
PERINO: His book. I mean, he's even really split with the Clintons --
ROGINSKY: He really should with the Clinton.
PERINO: Yes.
ROGINSKY: He said he's antidepressants.
PERINO: Yes.
ROGINSKY: He said that what you actually saying, which is the - drama, the
swirl, he had it. So I don't know how close he is to the Clintons
personally anymore. He may be close to the people who are close to them.
PERINO: Right.
ROGINSKY: That bio is really critical of them. But I will say -- I do agree
with you Greg on this issue, which is, why not disclose? Nobody's
forgetting (ph)
him forgiving money. I mean, I frankly would not have given money, because
of the fact that she's running. It's like they found a different charity,
like doctors without borders. But why, why not --
BOLLING: Yeah. I mean --
ROGINSKY: Why not just disclose it.
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: Yeah.
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: If he hadn't done this Schweizer interview --
BOLLING: And that was really -- we pulled that again, Dana --
PERINO: Right.
BOLLING: You are making a really good point. We pulled that interview again
because, he was so -- he was an attack dog in that interview --
PERINO: Yeah.
BOLLING: And he never said, by the way -- we are talking about Clinton
Foundation, he made donations to Clinton --
PERINO: Because he hadn't done --
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: If that interview hadn't happened, and Washington Free Beacon has
called it, if I would -- it's so make a little ripple, but it wouldn't be
this title.
GUTFELD: And they sourced each other. That's the great thing, it's like the
Clinton campaign fact checks Schweizer's book than Stephanopoulos uses that
on the interview and then the Clinton goes back to the Stephanopoulos
interview and says, see. And so it was its political circle of -- sourcing
each other, it's like, two criminals you know, providing each other an
alibi.
BOLLING: Let, let's do this. My favorite New York Times Columnist Jeremy
Peters summed up ABC's dilemma this way.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JEREMY PETERS, NEW YORK TIMES REPORTER: This is really a corporate branding
protection exercise. George Stephanopoulos is ABC News, right? He is the
public face of the network. He is their Matt Lauer, their Chuck Todd, their
Brian Williams, all wrap in one.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: All right, K.G. --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
BOLLING: He --
GUILFOYLE: I think he sum it up well.
BOLLING: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: He has. He is the face of ABC News for -- you know, (inaudible)
and purposes. He's done a very good job with Good Morning America. That
they were -- for the first time able to take over. You know, overtake the
Today show with ratings so, they've got a lot invested in him. So there's a
question is -- how they've handle this as well.
BOLLING: As bad as Brian Williams now he's been?
ROGINSKY: No, not at all.
GUILFOYLE: No.
PERINO: Oh, goodness, no.
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: I mean, this is, this is more of sort of an omission, not as co-
mission and Brian Williams to me was really sort of co-mission.
PERINO: I think you have to look at the entire body of work, right?
ROGINSKY: Right.
PERINO: One of the problems with Brian Williams is the accusation, maybe
not -- (inaudible)
but the accusation was that -- in his entire body of work, there were
several examples. This is one example -
GUILFOYLE: But looking --
(CROSSTALK)
GUILFOYLE: These are very flattering photos, right? --
BOLLING: But Brian Williams --
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Literally has said, all yours it's not a helicopter and we got
shot at whereas, George Stephanopoulos don't forget --
PERINO: Didn't he --
BOLLING: Asked questions at the last debate --
PERINO: That's a valid point.
BOLLING: And maybe, you know in a position to --
PERINO: Yeah.
BOLLING: Persuade presidential election -- again.
GUTFELD: I disagree. I don't think he's the face of ABC News. He's the hair
of ABC news.
PERINO: Are you jealous?
GUTFELD: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: It's a very bushy top he has there. Yeah, I have nothing else.
BOLLING: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
GUTFELD: Yes. Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
GUILFOYLE: (inaudible)
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Maybe in the liberal media are going after the 2016 GOP candidates
over their views on the Iraq war, but the presidential candidate who has
the most to answer on this issue is actually, Hillary Clinton. We looked at
her questionable track record, after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PERINO: The media is rushing to ask the 2016 GOP presidential candidates
about their hypothetical positions, on the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Meanwhile, the only candidate who had a real say in the action at the time,
remained silent. Hillary Clinton is still not talking to the press, but she
might have the most explaining to do. In 2002, she voiced strong support
for the invasion.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: If left
unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage
biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear
weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political
and security landscape of the Middle East, which has we know all too well,
affects American security.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: Then in 2007, Clinton argued against, what ended up being President
Bush's successful search.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CLINTON: He's taking troops away from Afghanistan, where I think we need to
be putting more troops and sending them to Iraq on a mission that I think
has very limited, if any chance for success.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: And finally, in 2011, as secretary of state, Clinton defended
pulling troops out of the country, altogether.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CLINTON: We may not be leaving military bases in Iraq, but we have bases
elsewhere. We have support and training assets elsewhere. I don't think
anyone should be mistaken about America's commitment to the new democracy
in Iraq that we have sacrificed so much to help them achieve.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: So Greg, I don't expect her to answer any questions for a while,
probably not for about six months. I think she's gonna hang a little bit,
some point she's gonna have to answer them. And at that point, maybe she
would need to be asked -- do you think, knowing what you know now, that it
was a good idea to pull all the troops out of Iraq? -- Even ISIS in
position?
GUTFELD: You know what this? This is all about President Obama. Because it
was like a great achievement in victory was lost in the fog of Obama's
bitter petulant. Seeking to -- United States over -- the way we are
imperialism. America fulfilled the mission. It got -- it removed Saddam
Hussein, he was a genocidal freak. We should be celebrating that, instead
of saying killing that guy, or getting rid of that guy brought terror to
the region. Terror was already in that region. Though it will be, the idea
of establishing a caliphate existed before we -- we even do this, before we
even went into Iraq and -- we remember what happened before we went in. If
Jeb gets the nomination and she gets the nomination, that neutralizing this
talking point. It's like if Anthony Weiner ran against Bill Clinton,
neither one of them is going to bring up their moral failings.
PERINO: Probably not. They would say, knowing what we know now --
GUTFELD: Yeah, I hope they guess.
PERINO: He might not --
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: I would not have trend (ph)
that sex.
GUILFOYLE: OK.
GUTFELD: How many times have I said that?
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: There are a lot of things --
GUILFOYLE: Please stop. I blocked you a hundred times.
(LAUGHTER)
PERINO: She hasn't have to figure out a way, Kimberly --
(LAUGHTER)
PERINO: To answer this question, because -- you could ask her, knowing what
you know now is a good idea to do the rush (ph)
we said. Was that a good idea? I mean, you could -- the hindsight
questions, I think maybe not are as important as the foresight questioning.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, you're right. I mean, these questions should be posed, or
she wants to be commander chief. So let's get down to it. Where do you
stand now?
Because what we see always with her, with the Clintons, is this
triangulation, right? Everything's poll-tested. They pivot, pivot, pivot.
Tough to, like, get them to stick on something. And they'll use whatever
they can at the time to discredit their opponents or anybody who goes
against them.
Right now she can only lose if she opens her mouth and says something,
because she may then contradict herself. But you would have a field day --
I was thinking about it -- as a prosecutor, if you had her on the stand,
right, and you were able to cross-examine her and use all of the prior
inconsistent statements, just to go through it.
But maybe people ultimately aren't going to care, if they're invested in
the idea of her candidacy and the idea of her presidency. You know, I
think she's going to get her base, no matter what out there.
PERINO: It was the Silberman-Robb report that looked into the WMD claims
and determined that it wasn't an intelligence failure. It did not connect
it to the White House. In fact, they just reissued an op-ed about six
months ago, reiterating this.
And she did, Eric, recant her vote initially, that 2002 vote, saying,
"Given that the intelligence was wrong, I wouldn't have voted that way."
But now it seems they're all on the same page. Everybody has the same
position.
BOLLING: So, Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of the ominous underbelly
of American politics. You can be so vehemently for or against something
for so long, and then once you want a bigger stage or a bigger profile or a
bigger office -- elected office, that is -- you can change completely.
You're crying.
How -- how much was she and Bill Clinton's crime bill, how much was she
pushing Bill Clinton's crime bill? Now she thinks it was all wrong.
Twenty years later, she was completely wrong.
Iraq.
PERINO: Right.
BOLLING: Wall Street. Trade. It goes on and on. But then they come
back, and they're so positive that they're right now.
GUILFOYLE: Want to lead.
BOLLING: Yes, it's awful. It's why America hate -- a lot of Americans
can't stand high -- politicians.
GUTFELD: I want politicians high.
PERINO: Do you think that the Clinton campaign worries about this at all
or do you think they think it's not important?
ROGINSKY: Well, first and foremost, she pays the ultimate price in some
ways for her vote. She lost the nomination to Obama.
PERINO: Right.
ROGINSKY: To a guy who really was not even on the scene when she first
started running. And all of a sudden became the nominee because of her
vote, so she certainly paid the price for it. I wish I had about a 20-hour
block to debate you on Iraq. So wrong; you cannot be more wrong. But
we'll talk about that another time.
GUTFELD: So you're for genocide?
ROGINSKY: I am...
GUTFELD: You're for genocide? OK.
ROGINSKY: I am 100 percent.
GUTFELD: I'm doing what you do: "Apparently, you are for genocide."
ROGINSKY: I am. I love it.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: In 1998. Especially the kids. Especially the kids.
ROGINSKY: Yes, especially the kids. Especially the kids.
But I will say this...
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. Please, please, the children.
ROGINSKY: But look, I am puzzled as to why she announced for president and
then didn't think she was going to have to start answering questions.
GUILFOYLE: Is it not (ph)?
ROGINSKY: And I don't get it. I think it's a big mistake on the part of
the...
GUTFELD: She's relying on George Stephanopoulos.
ROGINSKY: I don't know. I mean, honestly, I think it's a big -- they're
making a huge mistake to not have her answering questions, because Megyn
Kelly nailed it when she said at this point, everybody's going to have to
ask really tough questions when they get a chance to do it. So I don't
think she's creating good will in the press, which has been a problem for
her all along.
GUTFELD: But they're still going to fall in line when the chips are down.
ROGINSKY: Not so sure. Listen, they really went after her big-time during
the Obama primary.
PERINO: Yes, but that's because they had an alternative.
ROGINSKY: That's true.
PERINO: And this year they don't.
ROGINSKY: We'll see about that.
PERINO: Oh, do you have news?
ROGINSKY: No. Bernie Sanders -- Bernie Sanders, I think, listen...
BOLLING: Viable.
GUTFELD: Love his fried chicken.
PERINO: Bernie Sanders had a great interview with George Stephanopoulos.
ROGINSKY: I understand. I will tell you this: Bernie Sanders, when he
gets on the debate stage with Hillary Clinton, is going to make Hillary
Clinton answer questions.
PERINO: Squirm.
ROGINSKY: He's not -- you guys underestimate. He's not going to be the
nominee but believe me...
PERINO: Do you think he has security?
BOLLING: Are you really saying Bernie Sanders is going to give Hillary
Clinton a run for her money?
PERINO: She said it. At the debate.
ROGINSKY: Yes. At the debates, 100 percent.
BOLLING: Come on.
GUTFELD: Dion Sanders has a better chance. Awesome.
BOLLING: Right. Or Bernie McGuirk.
PERINO: How about Colonel Sanders?
GUTFELD: I've already made that joke.
GUILFOYLE: I was like, no, that's Colonel Sanders.
PERINO: Sorry. OK. I guess we have to go.
Ahead on "The Five," would you risk your life for your career? Greg just
did. We're going to have more on that. America's deadliest jobs, and the
list just might surprise you.
BOLLING: It does surprise me.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUTFELD: The Department of Labor just released numbers on how many people die on the job. The deadliest work: fishermen, loggers, pilots, extraction workers, iron and steel workers, and roofers.
Now, when I looked at the list, I noticed four things.
One, talk show host is not on there, which surprised me. You should see my paper cuts.
Two, I realized that I could do none of these jobs. I'm functionally useless. If there were a nuclear war and I survived, I wouldn't be any help rebuilding society.
Three, that without these risk takers, we would be nowhere as a civilization.
And four, most of these jobs are done by men.
Now, before you write in, I know tough women are out there doing this kind of work, but the overwhelming number are dudes. And a few are missing a toe or a pinkie. This hazard gap has a history. Twenty-seven workers died building the Brooklyn Bridge in falls and so on. Many more were injured.
But this gap could narrow as women take on more jobs once done by men. Look at combat, as women return now with injuries that once only afflicted men.
But the male domination of hazardous work is a fact often ignored by the media, for it undermines misleading stats about the wage gap. Men did the dirty, dangerous work, simply because we're expendable. Every woman, however, is precious.
But in time, this point will be moot, as robots start doing all the risky stuff for us.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.
GUTFELD: Well, until they organize, take over and destroy all of us in 2019. Mark my words.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, gosh, it's always the robots.
GUTFELD: It is the robots, Kimberly. They're -- we're going to have a
robot Kimberly Guilfoyle. It's going to dance robotically.
GUILFOYLE: What's the difference, right?
GUTFELD: You have a soul somewhere in there.
GUILFOYLE: I can dance really robotically, but yes.
GUTFELD: I look at these jobs and I go, "I -- I have the easiest thing in
the world."
GUILFOYLE: You really do, because you're like, most annoying person at the
table. It's perfect. You're perfect for it, sarcastic.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: You're the funny guy. Somebody's got to be, like, the funny
guy.
GUTFELD: I'm the funny looking guy.
GUILFOYLE: Besides that, you know. And you're the chivalrous guy that
went and picked up my paper.
GUTFELD: Paper cut. I didn't want to get a paper cut.
BOLLING: You know how many -- so everyone understands, Kimberly's paper
fell at the end of the A block, I think it was.
GUILFOYLE: And I was, like, all -- trying to get it.
BOLLING: People are tweeting are -- Greg, why didn't you pick up the paper
for Kimberly?
GUTFELD: You know why I didn't? Assuming that I would pick it up is
sexist. What, she can't pick it up herself?
GUILFOYLE: Because my legs are longer than yours.
BOLLING: You should think about all the people saying, "Why should I..."
GUILFOYLE: That was the issue.
BOLLING: Feminists are going, "Greg, don't pick up that paper. Don't pick
up that paper."
GUTFELD: Exactly.
GUILFOYLE: I would love to be a soldier if I thought I would be really
good at it.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: I think I might be...
GUTFELD: I think you'd be a good commander.
GUILFOYLE: I would probably for sure be in charge. But the point is, I
think those jobs are so compelling. An ability to be able to serve. And I
would just want to serve to the best of my ability and not in any way be a
hindrance to those that I served with. Right?
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: If I wasn't physically able to do the same things that they're
doing.
GUTFELD: I am a hindrance in -- in any of these jobs, I would be a
hindrance.
GUILFOYLE: You're a little soft.
GUTFELD: I am very soft. Very soft.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
GUTFELD: Dana, you know who was on -- high on this list? Farmers and
ranchers.
PERINO: I wrote "cowboys."
GUTFELD: Yes, cowboys. You're a cowgirl.
PERINO: It is dangerous work. Also, with all the ones that you named --
fishermen, loggers, coal miners...
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: -- they are all producing the things that make it is possible for
all of us to be able to do what we do. The easy job.
GUTFELD: That's -- exactly. The people that are protesting, like, against
carbon, they wouldn't be able to heat their dorm rooms if it wasn't for
these amazing people, Julie.
ROGINSKY: You know what? We do nothing. I mean, literally, I can't even
brush my own hair.
BOLLING: Birth. The birth process.
ROGINSKY: I did.
BOLLING: Straight, or not straight.
GUILFOYLE: You're right.
BOLLING: Women are not afraid of logging (ph)
career for the birthing career.
ROGINSKY: You know what, they'll give you an epidural and it's all gone.
But...
GUILFOYLE: But even...
ROGINSKY: Mine fell out. Mine fell out 35 hours later. Literally.
But it's true. We do nothing. I can't -- even the hair and makeup people
here, I always say have a much harder job than I do, because they have to
produce something, which is making us all look good.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: We just sit around and talk.
GUTFELD: You know what is interesting, Eric? Athletes was more dangerous.
Where did I write this down? Athletes are more dangerous than
firefighters. Yes. It's safer being a firefighter than an athlete.
BOLLING: How is that possible?
GUTFELD: I don't know. This is what's weird about the study.
BOLLING: Are there many athletes that die?
PERINO: Athletes get injured. You got injured, right?
BOLLING: So safety meaning injuries, not necessarily death?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: But I'd like to point out that "Deadliest Catch" is -- it's a
lie.
GUILFOYLE: I love that.
BOLLING: It's a lie.
GUILFOYLE: What?
BOLLING: The show is "Deadliest Catch," but fishing is No. 2. Logging...
GUILFOYLE: OK, but come on. I mean, watch that show.
PERINO: "Ice Truckers."
GUTFELD: There was a logging reality show.
BOLLING: Yes, there is. Definitely.
GUILFOYLE: I had a dangerous job.
GUTFELD: What?
GUILFOYLE: At the deli. I was in charge of the meat slicer. Remember, I
cut off part of my pinky.
GUTFELD: I worked in a deli, too.
GUILFOYLE: You probably didn't do enough.
GUTFELD: I worked -- I worked for two weeks bottling grape soda. Do you
know that? Old machines. This has got to be the '80s. I watched a guy's
finger get bottled.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, gross.
ROGINSKY: I worked at My Favorite Muffin in 1986, and I still can't smell
muffins to this day. It's been, like, 30 years.
GUILFOYLE: Because you have a conditioned food aversion.
ROGINSKY: Clearly that's what I have.
GUILFOYLE: No, that's the truth.
ROGINSKY: I believe you. No, I believe you.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I don't know -- like if you drank too many Bartles & James
wine coolers. You, like, smell...
GUTFELD: Bartles & James? What are you, born in the '40s?
GUILFOYLE: Actually, I'm preserved cryogenically.
PERINO: Zima. Remember Zima. I loved Zima, but it never made me sick.
GUTFELD: What is happening?
BOLLING: Tequila.
PERINO: That's not at all dangerous.
GUTFELD: Yes, all right. I remember Boone's Farm. Anybody remember
Boone's Farm?
BOLLING: It was amazing.
ROGINSKY: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: I drank that when I was 16. Sorry, Mom and Dad.
BOLLING: How about Mad Dog.
GUTFELD: MD 2020.
BOLLING: Twenty-twenty.
GUTFELD: Riunite.
PERINO: I couldn't drink orange juice for a long time.
PERINO: Riunite on ice.
GUTFELD: Riunite on ice. On ice.
I'm going to -- let's just do this.
GUILFOYLE: It's happy hour somewhere.
GUTFELD: All right. It's Friday.
All right. Next, serious stuff. We go live to Boston with the very latest
on the Boston bombing verdict.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
ROGINSKY: Earlier this afternoon, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was sentenced to death
by lethal injection for his role in the Boston Marathon bombings. Moments
ago, we heard some very emotional reaction from one of the witnesses.
Here's Michael Ward.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL WARD, WITNESS: Ultimately, justice has prevailed today. His
premeditated actions to stand behind children, wait 4 1/2 minutes with a
fully loaded bomb and then to call his brother and tell him when to explode
his bomb moments earlier, his justice now, he wanted to go to hell and he's
going to get there early.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROGINSKY: Let's go live to Molly Line in Boston with the very latest --
Molly.
MOLLY LINE, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Mr. Ward's thoughts there that he
shared really speaks to the graphic nature of all the testimony and the
video that these jurors have seen in these weeks.
It took them 14 1/2 hours, roughly, to sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the
convicted marathon bomber, to death in this case. Many of the jurors were
actually in tears post-verdict after all of these weeks.
Finally, now this step is complete. The next step is sentencing hearing,
an official sentencing hearing, in which more victims will have the
opportunity to share their thoughts.
These were seven women, five men, praised by the U.S. attorney's office, as
well, for their hard work and diligence.
There were victims and family members in the courtroom, but many remained
stoic. Everyone in that room was warned not to show a reaction or to
interrupt the proceeding when the verdict was actually read.
Really, a difficult day here in court but, in a sense, offers at least some
sense of closure for some of the victims. Dick Donahue, remember, he was a
transit police officer at the time of the Watertown shootout. He weighed
in. He is now a sergeant who was promoted today in a ceremony. And he
said that "This verdict, undoubtedly a difficult decision for the jury,
gives me relief and closure, as well as the ability to keep moving
forward."
So we are just beginning to hear from so many of the people that were
affected by this trial and by these crimes -- Julie.
ROGINSKY: Thanks, Molly.
You know, I went to college in Boston and, Dana, you said this in the A
block, but it's so true. Patriots Day is such a -- is such a big deal in
Boston. The marathon is such a festive occasion. And I never ran it,
because I can't run more than five seconds without passing out. But I did
go to that finish line very often to welcome friends who ran. And it's
just, you know, devastating that this happened.
Kimberly, I have a question, though. Does he -- does he have the option of
actually addressing people at the sentencing hearing?
GUILFOYLE: I don't think you're going to hear him. I mean, he could make
a petition to say something but, yes, sure. But the point is, does anyone
really want to hear another word from this individual? What can he say? I
wouldn't give him the opportunity to be offensive or insult any of the
victims' families. I wouldn't trust him if he even said that he wanted to
say that he was sorry or show some, you know, remorse.
I mean, this is an individual that is just beyond despicable, the
atrocities, the crimes that he committed, with deliberate thought process
going into it.
And keep in mind with this jury, they were what's called death qualified.
I want to bring up that point. That they had to say that they would, if
put before the decision to decide life or death, that they could render a
just verdict based on the facts and circumstances. And they've really done
that. I can't emphasize enough how difficult this is, having tried death
penalty cases and knowing what the jurors have to go through when they sit
in that courtroom and see all this.
ROGINSKY: Yes, I mean, taking somebody's life, no matter how heinous that
person is, cannot be...
GUILFOYLE: A huge decision.
ROGINSKY: A huge decision.
Greg, your final thoughts?
GUTFELD: Not for me. If you don't get the death penalty for this, what do
you have to do to get it? By the way, I put a call in to the 72 virgins.
They all said, "No, thanks."
BOLLING: Did they have a deep voice?
GUTFELD: Yes, they have a deep voice.
ROGINSKY: He's going to be disappointed when he gets up there.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: Down there.
GUTFELD: ... anyway.
ROGINSKY: Dana.
PERINO: I would just say that one of the things that I have observed out
of Boston is the dignity and grace of the victims' families. And the
witnesses. You say Mike Ward, who Molly Line highlighted there in her
piece. That is the kind of stoicism and groundedness that really did
Boston a lot of good. Because I think that this trial, no one is saying
that it wasn't full of integrity.
ROGINSKY: Yes. And Eric, you know, to Dana's point, the people that
really impressed me so much were the parents of that little 8-year-old boy
who died.
BOLLING: Yes.
ROGINSKY: They actually, I don't think advocated for the death penalty for
him. They wanted life in prison. But...
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Martin Richard.
ROGINSKY: Yes. Your thoughts?
BOLLING: Just a final thought, very quickly.
GUILFOYLE: But they did find him -- that was one of the factors in
aggravation. The jury gave him the death penalty for killing that 8-year-
old little boy.
ROGINSKY: They should have.
BOLLING: Just reiterating what the judge said to the jurors after the
decision was -- came down, he said, "I am and we are proud of your
service." I would echo the judge's sentiment completely.
ROGINSKY: All right. Thank you. "One More Thing" is up next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Want to tell everybody
about B.B. King. He's the blues legend that passed away at the age of 89.
From the cotton fields of Mississippi to a global stage and the apex of
American blues. He died on Thursday in his home in Las Vegas.
And he said in his autobiography, "I want to connect my guitar to human
emotion."
Our very own Greta Van Susteren had a chance to sit down with him in 2008.
Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Which song do you think the audience
wants to hear every night?
B.B. KING, BLUES MUSICIAN: "The Thrill is Gone." I play it every night as
I feel it every night, not as I recorded it when I first recorded it. I
play it every night as I feel it then.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Greta and all of us will miss him. American blues legend, B.B.
King, dead at the age of 89. Thank you for the music, sir.
Dana.
PERINO: OK, I have a continuation from my "One More Thing" from yesterday.
I said that I was going to Florida from these book signings this weekend,
and I asked that, for all of you that love Jasper as much as I do, to
please don't bring in treats. And people were upset, because they said I
should suggest that the treats be donated to a shelter. And if you want to
do that, I think it's great.
Here's why I don't want Jasper to have too many more treats.
FiveFanPhotoshop did this rendering. That would be Fatsper. OK, so this
is what we're trying to avoid.
GUILFOYLE: We could show a picture of her carpet when his stomach gets
upset, too.
PERINO: Oh, no. I didn't take a picture of that. That was bad. When he
has the collie wobbles (ph).
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
GUTFELD: You could do a whole show on this.
GUILFOYLE: The collie wobbles (ph).
PERINO: I'm done. You should go. I'm done.
GUILFOYLE: Eric.
BOLLING: OK. All right. So yesterday -- I'm also following up from
yesterday: Westfield, New Jersey, the high school art project. Remember
this. You saw the picture of the cops being portrayed as police brutality.
A lot of response came from that.
CAIR national communications director Ibrahim Hooper emailed me first thing
in the morning, and his only line was "hypocrite." And then also, there
was a libertarian blogger who wrote -- wrote up a piece saying that I was
inconsistent.
I did mention the First Amendment when I talked about it yesterday. And I
also did mention that I didn't think the school was right in doing it. So
let me be very clear. You have the right to draw and display vulgar stuff.
You have that right. But I have the right to suggest it shouldn't be in a
high school art project. That's all I'm simply saying. I do still stand
by the First Amendment.
GUILFOYLE: Well, good to know.
BOLLING: OK.
PERINO: Not in doubt.
GUILFOYLE: Greg.
GUTFELD: Time for...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: "Greg's Childhood Memories."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: So my wife and I were moving a lot of stuff around, and I found
an old home video of me as a child learning to climb at the playground. I
think we can roll it right here.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(YOUNG MONKEY CLIMBING NETTING)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: There I am. I was quite a hairy child back then, but thanks to
the modern technology of electrolysis, I am now as smooth as silk.
GUTFELD: OK. Julie.
ROGINSKY: Real quickly, Kirsten Powers, my good friend Kirsten, has a new
book out called "The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech." It's
amazing. You should buy it. It's really well-researched. Great book,
Kirsten did a fabulous job.
GUILFOYLE: All right.
ROGINSKY: Go get it.
GUILFOYLE: That's it for us. "Special Report" is next. Thank you for
watching.
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