This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," July 14, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: And breaking news tonight, Barack Obama just spoke at the NAACP convention. Take a listen.
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SEN. BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I know there's some who have been saying I've been too tough talking about responsibility. NAACP, I'm here to report I'm not going to stop talking about it.
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HANNITY: Barack Obama is the first African-American presidential candidate running for a major party to address the NAACP. John McCain is also expected to speak there later this week.
Now the convention has provided some controversial moments in the last few years. In fact, in 2004 President Bush refused to speak at the conference after the organization's chairman, Julian Bond, publicly bashed him and accused of the GOP of, quote, "playing the race card."
Joining us now is professor and radio talk — when did you get — everyone in the world has their own talk show. When did you get a radio talk show?
RON DANIELS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I've been doing this a long time. I'm trying to — to blow up.
HANNITY: Well, congratulations. Good to see you, Ron. Thank you for being here. First of all, he took a little shot back at Jesse Jackson, mild albeit. But what do you think?
DANIELS: I don't think you're going to get a shot back at Jesse Jackson. I think the speech actually — they keep playing one side of it. It was a brilliant speech. I mean, Barack Obama is an excellent speech writer. What he did was he linked himself to the legacy of the civil rights movement, which is very important.
He linked economic justice with racial justice, and then he also talked about the need to deal with government responsibility and corporate responsibility as it relates to these various issues. And then he talked about individual responsibility. You like to talk about the individual responsibility.
HANNITY: No, I like the individual responsibility. I agree.
DANIELS: But the point is, the part that Jesse Jackson was a little upset about was just sticking with that. Because that Clinton — it just showed one part of it. He really talked about the brothers on the street corner, their need for help, job training program, all those things.
HANNITY: The only thing I believe is individual responsibility doesn't mean the government is the answer to ever fear and every problem every individual has. We are the masters of our own destiny. We agree?
DANIELS: We agree on that.
HANNITY: You're a conservative.
DANIELS: No, no. I'm conservative on certain things. But here's the point. Here's the point. What Barack Obama was trying to say tonight was he framed it brilliantly. There's a responsibility the government has, corporations have, and then you have a responsibility.
HANNITY: No, I think it should be you first. And then...
DANIELS: There's a difference in emphasis.
HANNITY: Let me go to Julian Bond. This is the — what I referred to earlier in his comments about President Bush.
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JULIAN BOND, NAACP CHAIRMAN: Their idea of a reparations is to give war criminal Jefferson Davis honor. Their idea of a clean environment is the parking lot before the lines are painted in. Their idea — their idea of equal rights is the American flag and the confederate flag (ph) flying side by side. They have their most rabid supporters from the Taliban league of American politics.
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HANNITY: ... American politics. If that were said and you were president and you were asked to be there, would you go?
DANIELS: I would. Of course I would.
DANIELS: Well, because I think you have to go to any organization that's the oldest, largest civil rights organization. You've got to take some heat, perhaps. That's one of the things, frankly, I liked about John McCain. He's been going to all these unlikely places, so forth and so on. You have to show that you're for all the people.
HANNITY: Do you think John McCain — if we look at the numbers. And even in the Democratic nominating process this year, there was a huge racial divide between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Well, 90 percent of the African-American vote went to Barack. About 70 percent of the white vote went for Hillary.
Hillary made those comments that he was having a hard time attracting the white voters, you know, the bitter Americans in Pennsylvania clinging to their guns and religion. But — but my question is John McCain by doing this, does he have a chance to win over...
DANIELS: Of course he does. Of course he does. And I think — I think that, frankly, there are a lot of African-Americans who look at John McCain and say, you know, he's — the things that we like about John McCain are the things you don't like about John McCain. He was independent on the question of immigration.
HANNITY: He's wrong on immigration. Wrong on Feingold. Wrong on Lieberman.
DANIELS: Like I said, the things we like are the things you don't like. But that also says he's willing...
HANNITY: You like him.
DANIELS: Whether I liked him or not, he took a position on the surge, and he stuck with it.
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: We only have a moment left, but the fact is he changed his mind on all those particular issues.
DANIELS: He did. He did.
COLMES: He doesn't feel that way anymore. That's not the John McCain that's running.
DANIELS: As far as I'm concerned, the most important thing in the election for me is I can't vote for John McCain, because he's got to break this eight years of hegemony by the — by the Republican Party that has decimated the Constitution that has really put us in such bad shape all over the world. And Barack Obama's is going to change that.
COLMES: George W. Bush went beyond not talking to the NAACP. They actually were looked at by the IRS, because of the very thing Julian Bond said, and they questioned the tax-exempt status of the NAACP.
DANIELS: There's a certain vindictiveness about the Justice Department of the Bush administration. No question about that. It's been highly polarized, highly politicized. And hopefully, a new administration is going to change that.
But I've got to say tonight before the NAACP, an organization that I am a lifetime member of, I got my initial training in the NAACP, with the youth organization. He stood before that organization, says next year I may come back as president. It's going to be such a tremendous moment not only for black people; it's a tremendous moment for Americans.
COLMES: The other things he talked about, very specific things. I haven't heard much specificity coming from John McCain. Barack Obama talked about keeping cops on the street, expanding the earned income tax credit, making college affordable to everybody, making sure everybody from the beginning of their school life through college gets affordable education. These are specific things he mentioned.
DANIELS: An army of teachers to help build on education. I mean, it was a very, very good speech. And the point I'm trying to make is it's been some criticism because the only clips people have been hearing about, it seems like he's lecturing to black America. That was not what happened tonight.
What you heard was a complete package that talked about here are the social ills. I'm committed to dealing with racial justice and economic injustice. And here's the programs I'm going to deal with. And it's government responsibility, corporate responsibility, and then he comes back and says almost what every other civil right leader says: we, too, must do our part.
COLMES: Conservatives will also talk about individual responsibility.
DANIELS: And we should.
COLMES: When liberals do it, they get called conservative. That only gets left or right. But they don't talk about corporate responsibility on the right. The liberals.
DANIELS: That's what Obama did today. He talked about CEOs who make more in ten minutes or so than most people do in a lifetime. He also linked it to the war in a way that Martin Luther King did, in the terms of all of these $10 billion a month that's going that could be used for social programs, economic development, and those kinds of things. It was an incredible speech by Barack Obama tonight.
HANNITY: What do you expect out of John McCain later this week?
DANIELS: Well, I think he'll do his best. He'll be respectfully received. And you know, I think — I think McCain will be liked better than Bush because I think...
COLMES: Well, he'll show up for one thing.
DANIELS: Well, he will show up. And I think people like — they're kind of like. But McCain is a maverick, and people kind of like the spirit and the spunk of the guy. But at the end of the guy people people are going to go for Barack Obama not only because it's not just — it's not a prejudice about pride.
Obviously, there's a certain pride we have. But also because we've got to change the country, and we're committing to doing that.
COLMES: Thanks for being here. Here every day on WRAL.
DANIELS: That's right. Also WDLI (ph).
HANNITY: That's not my station. So I don't listen to any other station.
DANIELS: I'm just trying to get a little in.
COLMES: You've got to listen to the other side.
HANNITY: You've never invited me as a guest. I wonder why.
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