• With: Bart Stupak

    This is a rush transcript from "Your World," November 19, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: That was then. Where are we now? From sausage making to the law of the land, we were there each and every step of the way.

    So, what was this guy up to? With us now, the former Democratic Congressman Bart Stupak, who in a sense really put it over the top, the former Michigan congressman with me now.

    Do you ever regret that vote, given all the problems now?

    FORMER REP. BART STUPAK, D-MICH.: No. No, I don't regret the vote. I'm proud to vote.

    I always felt that health care should be a right, not a privilege in this country, one of the reasons why I ran for Congress. I'm glad to have helped accomplish that goal.

    CAVUTO: Did you know that there would be these problems or that millions of American would have to pay more for their premiums or, for that matter, maybe not have health care altogether?

    STUPAK: Well, there are going to be people who are going to pay more, sure sure.

    I mean, the surtax on the health care bill alone in my congressional district, less than one-tenth of one percent has to pay any more. But yet I had 50,000 people in my district who are uninsured at the time who will benefit from this piece of this legislation. So when you weigh the equities of it, those of us who can afford to pay a little bit more are going to pay a little bit more for our health insurance. Those who had nothing, who never had much hope or security now have some underneath the Affordable Care Act.

    CAVUTO: But that's very different with some of the surtaxes and other charges related to this. I understand what you're saying, Congressman.

    But do you think that the president meant it when he said at the time if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, because it seems now in retrospect a lot of your colleagues knew that was impossible?

    STUPAK: Well, most people can keep their health insurance.

    It's really up to their employer whether or not they are going to keep it. What the president was saying, you can no longer have your insurance policy rescinded or terminated by the insurance companies. You no longer go bankrupt. You have to have a basic essential plan.

    Everyone understood -- at least the legislators understood -- that there's going to be a basic plan that must have essential elements that, whether you live in Idaho or Michigan, they will be the same.


    CAVUTO: No, you're right. We said you can't have all of this stuff, the coverage for preexisting conditions, get rid of the lifetime caps.

    STUPAK: Right.

    CAVUTO: All those were good and sound things and a lot of very nice things. But to assume that they would not cost was at best -- I covered it at the time -- disingenuous.

    Now, I think here is where a lot of people get mad at the president and a lot of folks maybe like you who pushed this...

    STUPAK: Sure.

    CAVUTO: ... that it didn't get to the little asterisk in this, that - - that you could end up losing your coverage or paying a hell of a lot more for it. That was never trumpeted as something that could be very real for millions of Americans.

    STUPAK: Well, I guess I disagree, because we talked about the plans -- remember, there was the bronze, the gold, the silver plans? Each plan had to have a basic set of elements?

    CAVUTO: Yes, but no one said your policy was going to be dropped, Congressman. No one said that.

    STUPAK: Well, if you can't -- if you're the insurance company and if you don't put forth a policy that has the basic human requirements for proper health care, why should you be selling health insurance?

    CAVUTO: No, I know what you're saying now.


    CAVUTO: We said it then. No, no, we said it then. It was unrealistic to assume that people were not going to get junked in their plans or bail out more for their plans.


    CAVUTO: But do you think in retrospect, do you think in retrospect this was sold with a wink and a nod and that the president pulled a fast one?

    STUPAK: No. No.


    CAVUTO: You don't think -- well, then did he lie back then or did he just not say that?

    STUPAK: No.

    As chairman of Oversight Investigations, I did two years, three years of just hearings on the inequities in the health insurance system in our country.


    CAVUTO: I know that. But no one ever said millions are going to pay more and millions are going to lose their coverage. I don't remember that being trumpeted.

    STUPAK: Neil, Neil, but you're not telling them also that underneath the health care bill, millions are getting rebates under the medical...


    CAVUTO: I most certainly did. I said those who don't have coverage or those who are poor, that they will get...