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November 27, 2012

Sandra Fluke for Person of the Year?

Guests: Marjorie Clifton, Marjorie Clifton

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," November 27, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

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SANDRA FLUKE: Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students, who like me are on public interest scholarships that's practically an entire summer's salary, 40 percent of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggled financially as a result of this policy.

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SEAN HANNITY, HOST: All right, believe it or not, those are the words of somebody that Time magazine is now considering as person of the year? You heard it right. The failing magazine is now elevating former Georgetown law student Sandra fluke to the same level as let's see Winston Churchill, Pope John II, Martin Luther King Jr.

Just a few of the previous world leaders to earn the distinction and here to try and explain how advocating for publicly-funded birth control qualifies Fluke for the person of the year.

And Clifton consultant, CEO and Democratic strategist, Marjorie Clifton is with us and Concerned Women for America's own Marjorie Clifton. Good to see you. Thanks for being with us.

PENNY NANCE, "CONCERNED WOMEN FOR AMERICA": Great to be here.

HANNITY: Marjorie, it's $9 a month at Wal-Mart for birth control, if women want to get birth control pills. You can go online and get all the condoms you want. If you go to a bar in New York City, they're for free. You just take a handful on your way out.

Planned Parenthood gives these things out to women as well and supposedly the needy women and that's in part funded with taxpayer dollars. Do you think she should be woman of the year?

MARJORIE CLIFTON, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, the reason that Sandra Fluke represents what woman or person of the year should be about is she took a national stage -- not knowing she was, by the way -- with dignity and grace.

And talked about a very challenging issue, regardless of what you think about the issue, raked over the coals. She was called a prostitute and slut, but she continued to have a national and even global conversation with civility.

HANNITY: Wait a minute. But the foundation of what she said was false. It's not $3,000 over the course of a woman's career. Why should taxpayers be paying for her birth control? Why?

CLIFTON: Well, again, you could argue the merits --

HANNITY: How about answering the question on the merits?

CLIFTON: The point is what she represents in terms of the issue. And if you look of this list, by the way, of the hundred people that were nominated by the general public, it includes the Ayatollah of Iran. It includes Ryan Seacrest. It includes Ryan Gosling. Ryan Seacrest, all I can say is he's a real-life Barbie doll or Ken doll, but beyond that I don't know what he's done either. So Sandra Fluke --

HANNITY: A real life Barbie or Ken doll, you're going to insult Ryan Seacrest? Everybody likes him.

CLIFTON: But what does Sandra Fluke bring to the table more so than Ryan --

HANNITY: Let me get Penny in here.

CLIFTON: Well don't tell him I said that.

NANCE: Even the idea that she would be considered is a slap in the face to about 60 million Evangelical and Catholic women who are offended by the idea that we are forced to pay for someone else's abortion or abortion-inducing drugs.

Her whole platform was advocating on forcing us to violate our consciences. This issue is not over, Sean. Liberty University's case has been remanded back down to the Fourth Circuit. We will have our day in court. The idea that Sandra Fluke is somehow held up this as this Bastian woman that --

HANNITY: Fundamentally, this issue, this is not true. Also the entitlement mind-set, why should I pay for birth control?

NANCE: And why should the woman who took the national stage saying she wanted free stuff, be the ideal women, when we've got young women in Pakistan, who took a bullet in the head because she advocated that young girls should be able to have an education.

Women who are fighting in the Middle East for women's rights, women who are taking strong stands on behalf of real women's issue, yet we waste our time on Sandra Fluke, who was just a patsy for the Obama administration in this campaign.

HANNITY: Go ahead.

CLIFTON: Well, again, you can argue the merits of her politics, but what she was --

HANNITY: Why do you keep avoiding the merits of it?

CLIFTON: No, I'll deal with it head on, but the idea is she's representing voices in the United States in the same way that internationally there are different issues. For her, she's talking about students. For some women, pregnancy is life or death, and --

HANNITY: Are you willing to sacrifice what Penny is bringing up here, something called religious freedom? Are you willing to force Catholic institutions to go against their own religious teaching and fund --

CLIFTON: Well --

HANNITY: Excuse me -- and fund something that's the antithesis of what their religion is teaching them?

CLIFTON: Well, as a Catholic woman, I can say what they're representing in terms of policy is actually a separation of church and state.

HANNITY: I didn't ask you that. The Catholic position on contraception is well known. They're against artificial means, that's their teaching. You don't have to follow it, but that's their teaching. Do you want the government to contradict or force or mandate that they go against their religious principles?

CLIFTON: Well, as a Catholic woman I don't have to take birth control. That's my choice as a Catholic. The same way it is for Evangelical women --

HANNITY: You're still not answering my question.

CLIFTON: Absolutely I am. In fact what this means is that we have an option of whether we choose to take birth control or not.

HANNITY: Do you want the state to force institutions to do something that is against their religious belief? That's a yes or no question.

CLIFTON: Well, actually the way that the tax money works is not directly going in through --

HANNITY: You're not answering it. She won't answer.

NANCE: The answer is, yes, it is your choice whether or not to take birth control or whether or not to have an abortion, but you don't want me to have a choice whether or not I have to fund what you want to do.

It's a violation of our conscience to pay for your abortion. Sandra Fluke's kids pay for $40,000 a year for law schools and not $9 a month for Wal-Mart birth control? That's ridiculous.

CLIFTON: Not all women can afford --

NANCE: We pay $2 billion a year for title 10 funding for birth control. There's no dearth of birth control in this country.

CLIFTON: Well, actually the cost unplanned pregnancy is far more than that.

HANNITY: You're willing to sacrifice religious freedom to achieve this?

CLIFTON: If the cost -- if you want to get to an economic issue with this --

HANNITY: You're willing to force churches to do something against their religious beliefs.

CLIFTON: It's not forces the churches.

HANNITY: The mandate does force them to do it.

CLIFTON: Your bishops don't agree with you either by the way.

NANCE: I know that, but that's a whole other issue.

HANNITY: You want to argue with the bishop? I'll bring in the bishop.

CLIFTON: No, no I said, that's a whole other issue, the bishops.

HANNITY: We got to go. Thank you both.

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