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Published January 29, 2019
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 29, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Jedediah Bila, happy birthday, Juan Williams, Jesse Watters, and her prom date picked her up in a hot wheel, Dana Perino. The Five.
What a week for the Dems, two new candidates, Kamala and Java Man. Kamala is the Hillary of '20. We know because it's easy to predict a Democratic candidate, just follow the mob. When Obama first ran, the press and pundits shouted to the heavens we all know its Obama, so everyone out of the pool.
And then later, they all knew it'd be Hillary until the orange Godzilla ambushed them. He showed that it's not hard to ambush a mob, especially a mob of lemmings, just dress up like a cliff and they'll jump right off. This year, it's Kamala's turn. How do we know? I heard it from the lemmings.
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MIKA BRZEZINSKI, MSNBC HOST: Senator Kamala Harris officially kicked off her 2020 presidential campaign. Look at that crowd. She was home. And I think she was really strong, Joe. What are your thoughts?
JOE SCARBOROOUGH, MSNBC HOST: I don't know about you, but the second I saw her up there I said wow. She's got what it takes. She filled that stage, and she can play in the big leagues.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: They're gooier than taffy on a hot dashboard. So the lockstep begins, which is why Java Man is having a hard time.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't help elect Trump. You egotistical billionaire [bleep]. Go back to being rationed on Twitter. Go back to Davos with the other billionaire elite who think they know how to run the world. That's not what democracy need.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Someone got a day pass from the home. Of course, there's The View.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOY BEHAR, THE VIEW HOST: Your entry into this race will guarantee Trump another four years.
HOWARD SCHULTZ, FORMER CEO, STARBUCKS: I don't agree with you.
BEHAR: I know you don't.
SCHULTZ: I don't agree with you.
BEHAR: I know you don't.
SCHULTZ: And if he runs against a far left progressive person who is suggesting 60, 70 percent tax increases on the rich, and a healthcare system that we can't pay for. President Trump is going to get reelected. No one wants to see him fired more than me.
BEHAR: And no one wants to see you run more than him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: She's like a cold cup of coffee. So you hear the fear in their voices. Java Man wants to do what Trump did, say surprising things about new ideas, laugh at the press, drive the mob crazy, but there's a problem, the mob fears if he runs as an independent he'll take votes from Kamala or Kamala, Handing a win to Trump.
And they're right. Schultz is an old-school lib. And by showing up next to the clown car that is the Democratic Party, he exposes how far left they've become. He's not a socialist promising pie in the sky B.S. He's saying, the solution for the Dems, pick one like him so no one flocked to him or watch how we run. Look at him. He's already committing the cardinal sin, going after the media's preordained choice.
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SCHULTZ: Oh, you just played Senator Harris saying she wants to abolish the insurance industry. That's not correct. That's not American. What's next? What industry are we going to abolish next? The coffee industry?
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GUTFELD: Big mistake going after her. He'll last about as long as a pork chop in a piranha tank. So I am starting to warm up to this guy, Dana, because unlike the other people running, he's got the guts to go after the sacred heroes. I mean, he's going after Kamala. And I'll play some tape later of him going after AOC. And you're seeing the nasty reaction everywhere because he's making it hard for them to protect their choice.
DANA PERINO, HOST: Right. So they're sort like united against him. The other person that actually went after the left by name for -- I think it was AOC, maybe it's Elizabeth Warren.
GUTFELD: Bloomberg.
PERINO: Michael Bloomberg. That they're independent guys who were like, wait, like, I don't think that's -- we don't want to go that way. The freak out on the left is quite dramatic and I think that they are looking to say, you know, my goodness, this -- you're going to elect Donald Trump, and what are you doing? But I think it's just as possible that it could hurt Trump, right? Because if you look at 1992 --
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: -- you say that -- some people say, well, Perot didn't really have an effect because if you look at the data, he -- Bush won Texas and Florida, so it didn't matter in the end.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
PERINO: But could it matter this time? The pass of 270 is not necessarily easy, but that's how you elected Bill Clinton.
GUTFELD: It's hard to remember '92. I was like 14.
PERINO: Yeah.
GUTFELD: I look great.
PERINO: So cute. You didn't even have to shave back then.
GUTFELD: Well, I wanted to, believe me.
JESSE WATTERS, HOST: You were older than 14.
GUTFELD: Yes. I won't tell you how old I am, Jesse.
PERINO: The first election I ever voted in.
GUTFELD: Well, really. Interesting. I don't believe I asked for that information, but that's OK. Jesse, when The View has a nasty reaction to someone, I instantly liked that person a lot. WATTERS: Yeah. I'm starting to like this guy, Schultz. He lets me use his bathrooms at Starbucks. If you do nothing else, just do that, and I will vote for you. I don't like ordering the cup when it says venti. I want to be able to just say small. I don't like saying that. But beside that, I think he's great.
PERINO: But venti is large.
WATTERS: Exactly. I don't even know what it means. What language is that, anyway? Who cares? The point is, and you saw this radical yelling thing at this --
GUTFELD: Yeah.
WATTERS: They're trying turn the term billionaire into a slur. Like being a billionaire inherently makes you a bad person. But here's the deal, this guy is a self-made billionaire. He grew up in the projects in Brooklyn where his father was a truck driver and he created Starbucks out of nothing. And the left loves Starbucks.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WATTERS: I mean, they pay their people well. They get great health insurance. Everybody used to love them and now they want to boycott Starbucks because he could be the spoiler and ensure a Donald Trump second term, more Kavanaugh, more tweets. They're on suicide watch now because the guy has got enough dough to get on the ballot in all 50 states, and then blanket the airwaves with advertising. So it's a total meltdown.
GUTFELD: You know -- all right, Juan, I think that Howie is a lot like you in the sense that he's an old-school Democrat without a party. You know your party is going way far left. And, you know, it's been hard -- I think it's been hard for you. I'm like an analyst. I know it's been hard for you with your Democrats.
JEDEDIAH BILA, HOST: It's like I'm in a middle of a psychologist (ph) and sat in a therapy session.
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Tell me how you really feel. Don't you think that he is sounding like a Democrat from like the '70s, or '80s, or even '90s? He sounds like Bill Clinton.
JUAN WILLIAMS, HOST: Well, he is like me in this regard. We both grew up in Brooklyn and in the projects. I'll give him that. But I didn't become a billionaire.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: I mean, he did.
BILA: Not yet.
WILLIAMS: Well, but he says -- he says things about Elizabeth Warren that I just find strange. I mean, he says Elizabeth Warren's ideas that you put tax -- 2 percent on people who are worth more than $50 billion. He says that's ridiculous. I think, why is that ridiculous?
GUTFELD: But he has an answer.
WILLIAMS: Or he says Medicare for all, ridiculous, stupid. That's un- American? And I think to myself, most Americans think that's a good idea.
GUTFELD: No, but he was saying un-American and that getting rid of an entire industry --
WILLIAMS: But no -- but she didn't say get rid of the industry. She just said you should be able to go to the hospital, and if you're in the hospital not to have to go through, do you have insurance? Will your insurance coverage -- you know, company cover this? But get, you know, right away, and that Medicare for all would guarantee that.
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WATTERS: They treat people without health insurance all the time in hospitals.
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: No. But then what happens, Jesse? You and I end up paying with higher costs, and that's why American medical care is so --
WATTERS: So you want to fire a half a million people who work in the healthcare industry --
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WILLIAMS: No. Let me just -- I didn't want to get into the debate, but I will be glad to. But I just wanted to talk about him for a second because I think a lot of the things he's saying out of the box that dismiss the Democratic ideas are out of touch with who voters are.
The key point that he is making and I -- you know, it's interesting that Steve Schmidt who worked with McCain, I think, Greg Striple who was also a Republican pollster, Bill Burton who work with Obama, these are his top people, OK? They were with him yesterday here in New York.
And what you're seeing him say, 40 percent of Americans now identify as independent. They don't like Republicans or Democrats. They really are independent. The problem with that analysis is most independents lean one way or the other. And at the moment, what we're seeing is huge numbers saying I'll never vote for Trump, 56 percent of Americans in the latest poll. Never vote for Trump --
GUTFELD: You could have said that at the start, Juan.
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WILLIAMS: Well, I'm just saying if that's the case, he is counting on independents who, in fact, are not there for the taking.
GUTFELD: All right.
BILA: I mean, I think he's just a businessman, right? So he's much like Trump has an idea of what these policies do when they're actually impacting business. So when you look at a 70 percent marginal tax rate, when you look at Medicare for all, all he's saying is it's un-American to have massive government overtake of the industry.
And he knows that it reduces the quality of care of those items. That that top tax rate is gonna cost when you hike that up on people at the top, you're going to lead to job losses. You're going to lead to a trickle-down economics. This guy has been alive for a minute, he's a successful businessman, and he's saying these things sound great.
The Democrat are coming out and saying all these sound bites, this utopia that they want to live in. But when you get out of liberal academia, this stuff just doesn't work. And it's interesting because it used to be -- he used to be viewed as a social justice warrior. Starbucks was small (ph) company. Everybody loved him --
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Right. I remember we bash him here.
BILA: Right, exactly. Liberals loved him. And now they have to make it their job to destroy him and to destroy that company. Don't think they're not going to boycott --
GUTFELD: To your point, the media and the Democratic Party are going to narrow the focus to the person they want --
BILA: That's right.
GUTFELD: -- which is Kamala.
BILA: And they also remember the media likes Trump before he ran as well. So this is what they do. They might like you before, and then when they sense that you're a threat to far left policies now, this guy is going to have to be destroyed. You can see it happening already.
WATTERS: When a Democrat tells other Democrats you're going crazy, you're off the deep end, that really hurts. It's like you have a drinking problem people tell you to stop drinking. You don't listen. And then when your friend tells you to stop drinking you say, oh. Oh, my God. Maybe I should stop. Don't tell me that. I love to drink.
GUTFELD: Never works on me. All right, I got to go, got to go, got to go. Don't miss Dana's interview with Howard Schultz on The Daily Briefing tomorrow at 2 PM. Good numbers last Friday, by the way, Dana.
PERINO: Thank you.
GUTFELD: Yes. She was way up there. Up next, Roger Stone in federal court today, pleading not guilty. What he's now saying.
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PERINO: President Trump's former advisor, Roger Stone, in federal court today pleading not guilty to seven criminal charges stemming from Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation. The charges include lying to Congress, witness tampering, and obstruction. Stone adamant to Mueller and his team have nothing on him.
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ROGER STONE, FORMER TRUMP ADVISOR: There is no Russian collusion. I had no collaboration with WikiLeaks. I'm not charged with conspiracy. Believe me if they could have made that case, they would have. But they want to silence me because I will stand up for Donald Trump. That's what this is really about.
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PERINO: And the Russia investigation may soon be coming to a close. Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker saying this.
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MATT WHITAKER, ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL: Right now, the investigation is -- I think close to being completed. And I hope that we can get the report from Director Mueller as soon we -- as possible.
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PERINO: OK, Greg, I have a question for you.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: Roger Stone never met a camera he didn't want to talk to. But today when he left court, he didn't give any new sound to the camera. He just like flashed the Nixon sign and walked in the car.
GUTFELD: You know, I've got a bone to pick with him. You know he's the men's fashion editor for Daily Caller.
PERINO: For real?
GUTFELD: I believe so. You know what's interesting -- I think that -- Stone -- this could be his greatest late life performance which follows the trajectory of his life because he's always doing controversial things. People have a bucket list. He has a similar list that rhymes with it. So everyday --
(LAUGHTER)
GUTFELD: Everyday he's always jumping off a cliff, doing something. So I think he's going to kind of enjoy this, but I feel bad -- and also, about Whitaker with -- you know -- Morning Joe was making fun of Whitaker for sweating. And God help Morning Joe. There's so -- there's no tape of him embarrassing himself.
PERINO: I mean -- like we get make up every commercial break --
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: All you have to do is watched Morning Joe's music videos. Anyway, the media should prepare for the worst. I don't know what's going to happen to CNN and MSNBC when the air comes out of this collusion balloon when everything is settled. They're going to be like that guy on make a deal who gets the donkey behind door number three. They're saying, waving --
PERINO: What are you going to do with that?
GUTFELD: What are you going to do with the donkey? It's just an ass.
WATTERS: It's their party's logo.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: So, Jesse, what do you make of Stone? He's doing all the other interviews and talk today.
WATTERS: Well, it's because he's going to be on Laura Ingraham tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. That's why.
GUTFELD: Schultz, tomorrow. Stone, tonight.
WATTERS: Yeah, exactly. And he was on Tucker, and he was on Hannity, and now he's on Ingraham.
GUTFELD: He hasn't done my show yet.
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: Get your request in for Saturday?
WATTERS: No. I think he's -- I think we've heard enough for him at that point. But, Dana --
PERINO: Yes.
WATTERS: -- in the -- Andrew McCarthy has a really great piece in the National Review that I think everybody should read. The title is Stone indictment underscores that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy.
And here's the bottom line. Mueller has never charged or alleged that there has been any participation with the Trump campaign in the hacking of the DNC server and Podesta. Remember, the DNC server was hacked before Trump was even the nominee. And Podesta just gave his password to somebody and it wound up in the hands of WikiLeaks, all those e-mails.
Stone has never been alleged to have been complicit in the hacking. And if you read the indictment, it says the Trump campaign had no idea what WikiLeaks had. And so they go, hey, Stone, can we get a heads up on what WikiLeaks said, and Stone goes, OK. And he had no idea. So he starts asking around, trying to get the scoop on WikiLeaks, and he couldn't find out. He got nothing. So all he did was hype it up based on publicly released documents. There's no conspiracy there.
PERINO: What do you think, Juan?
WILLIAMS: I think I read in the indictment says there that Stone asked for a secure line. I think he wanted to use WhatsApp or something to talk with a senior person in the Trump campaign, Jesse.
WATTERS: OK. So what?
WILLIAMS: Well, I think that that indicates --
GUTFELD: What's up?
WATTERS: So, what's up?
WILLIAMS: -- some collaboration, you know.
WATTERS: So Stone collaborated with the Trump campaign --
WILLIAMS: We don't know. Well, I thought you're saying there was no evidence that he collaborated --
WATTERS: Yeah. No. With WikiLeaks.
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm saying he's collaborating and giving information --
WATTERS: Collaborating with Trump, that's not a crime.
WILLIAMS: Not a crime, except that he is facilitating the transfer of information coming from a foreign country intended to undermine our election.
WATTERS: That's not what he did and that's not what the indictment said. I read the indictment. Did you read it?
WILLIAMS: Well, I think that's what the -- Yes, I did. In fact, in the indictment --
WATTERS: Doesn't sound like it.
WILLIAMS: Under the indictment, what you're seeing here is there's a number of things that are redacted, that are not full. But I think what they're after and this is the reason -- by the way, Stone makes a big deal out of all the people, FBI people who came to his house. I think what Mueller is after is a lot of these devices and documents that Stone was doing on secure or encrypted platforms so that he could avoid this kind of scrutiny. I mean --
WATTERS: Maybe I'm wrong. Probably not.
WILLIAMS: I could be wrong too.
(CROSSTALK)
WATTERS: A great track record.
WILLIAMS: But I will say, I just find it odd that, you know, someone like Bill Barr, today, his vote is delayed in terms of confirmation for attorney general because he still won't say that he's going to release to the American people the Mueller report. I think this is -- I don't understand how Democrats would vote for this guy.
PERINO: Well, they might -- they might not, but they don't need to, right?
(CROSSTALK)
BILA: Yeah. Doesn't Stone remind you of that friend you all have, though that talk too much and get himself in trouble. I feel like he's that guy that just --
GUTFELD: Yes. You mean like Jesse?
PERINO: Jesse?
BILA: Well, maybe. Yes, actually --
WATTERS: We both dress well.
GUTFELD: You actually dress better than Stone. Stone's jacket don't fit - -
BILA: Don't you like wait with baited breath, though? Whenever he does an interview, I'm like, he's about to say something that's going to get him into more trouble. Listen, I don't know. I just wish they would figure this out already. Is there collusion? Is there not collusion? So we can move on to something else.
And my guess is that if there's no collusion -- I don't know, Juan, maybe you can answer whether the Democrats will give it up. But I think the focus then becomes the wall obsessively, because they need some ammunition against Trump and that seems to be the collusion aside. Once you take that out and you take out the impeachment argument and everybody, you know, goes home --
WATTERS: No, it's the Stormy Daniels famous. They go back to that.
BILA: Yeah, but I don't know about that. That doesn't fire them up the same way. And that's not going to fire up -- I don't think voters the same way.
GUTFELD: You can bring up race --
BILA: I think that's where the wall comes in to play --
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WILLIAMS: I'll tell you what -- I tell you what I found interesting about this, because I know there's so many dog lovers at the table, is that Mr. Stone was threatening a potential witness' dog.
PERINO: Well, he knows how to get them.
BILA: That changes everything --
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: All right, we're going to move on. The head of the Houston police officers union goes off after four cops were shot, who he's putting on notice, up next.
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WATTERS: The president of the Houston Police Officers Union giving a fiery press conference after four officers were shot and wounded and another injured while serving a narcotics warrant. Here he is putting all dirtbags on notice.
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JOE GAMALDI, HOUSTON POLICE OFFICERS UNION PRESIDENT: We are sick and tired of having targets on our back. We are sick and tired of having dirtbags trying to take our lives when all we're trying to do is protect this community and protect our families. Enough is enough.
And if you're the ones that are out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well, just know we've all got your number now. We're going to be keeping track all of you, and we're going to make sure that we hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers. We've had enough, folks.
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WATTERS: Two of the officers are in serious but stable condition. Two other are in good condition, and a fifth officer who was shot in the shoulder was release from the hospital last night. Jedediah, I'm fired up. This guy really, really made an impact when I listened to that
BILA: Yeah. I mean, it's crazy, honestly. Like -- it's such an under appreciation by certain groups of people in this country. Certain people, oftentimes, on the left, for law enforcement or what they go through every day. What's interesting, though, because I looked at a poll that -- from Gallup, from June 2018, and it talked about the institution that people have the most confidence in.
And if you look at it, at the top is the military at 74 percent, next is small business, interestingly enough, at 67, and the police are third at 54 percent. So a majority of the people in the country do back law enforcement are horrified when you look at stories like this, and do understand the complexity of these people's job and how, you know -- they're basically sacrificing their lives every single day.
So that was refreshing for me to see because I think your instinct is always to say, to look at those groups who sometimes can be anti-police or could rally against all law enforcement, isn't looking out for the common good. And you think that's the norm in terms of how people feel, but it's not. Most of the country looks at something like this and they want to rally around law enforcement and everything they do for us every day.
WATTERS: Putting dirtbags on notice, Juan. You've got to love that line.
WILLIAMS: I think it was a good line. I mean, to me and, of course, he's the head of the union, he should be saying that. I mean, everybody feels that way, by the way, Jedediah.
But I think if you break it down by groups and especially people in this neighborhood, you'd say, yeah, we want protection. But guess what? You don't want police to abuse their authority and power. So you get different responses from different communities and I think that's why you see Black Lives Matter have a level of support they do in America.
BILA: Yeah. But you know what? In New York City in those Black Lives Matter rallies, I have heard some terrible rhetoric against law enforcement. Not just in those occupy Wall Street was the same way. If you look at some of those signs, it's hateful stuff. It's just nice to know that that is not the --
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: I think -- I found there's lots of hateful rhetoric at the extremes. But what you're saying in terms of citing those numbers are, I think most Americans have tremendous respect for the American military, and tremendous respect for small business. Doesn't mean there aren't problems so you can ask people about it.
WATTERS: And the media. We are so respected in this country.
WILLIAMS: Oh, no. That's the other side.
(CROSSTALK)
WATTERS: Let me just move on real quick. This is what police officers have to deal with sometimes, Dana. There's a new phenomenon called public auditing where someone goes into the middle of a park and starts acting crazy and rambunctious, and then a police officer comes over to settle them down, and then they film it while they try to provoke the police officer into doing something while on tape.
PERINO: That's -- that's terrible.
WATTERS: That's what they're dealing with.
PERINO: I thought it wasn't this --
WATTERS: No, no.
PERINO: Those are two things --
WATTERS: Similar dirtbags that should be on notice.
PERINO: But the -- one of the police officers that were shot, this is his third time in his 32 year career that he was shot.
WATTERS: Wow.
PERINO: And he was also the one who, like, went in because he knew that his guys were under attack. The other thing I wanted to mention is that they were doing a drug bust. And again if we go back to this again and dealing with that as the root cause of an issue, if we could -- I don't know what the answer is. I don't know -- maybe its legalization. I don't know. But is there a way to stop police officers from having to make these kinds of busts? I don't know.
WATTERS: Greg.
PERINO: Turn to the resident expert.
GUTFELD: I would say legalization would help. But I think this is something that we've all sensed here on "The Five." This is a hangover of the three to five years of negative scrutiny towards the police where isolated incidents replaced statistics. Right?
We have statistics that will tell you about how shootings have declined and that, in fact, white shootings of unarmed blacks is actually lower statistically than minority police shooting minority victims. But you won't -- no one wants to hear that. They want the isolated anecdotal incident, because that helps the media.
And they took the anomaly and they made it representative of the system, which is unfair. And then you get this hangover here where people are getting hurt.
Every industry must improve. It has. Body cameras is something that we should be for. But the issue here for me has always been the media entering the picture and relying on the oppressed narrative that it's all about race. But minorities are victims, but they're also the officers, especially in New York City. Minority is the majority. All right?
So these are people that are doing their jobs in the community. They're beloved in their community. It's not about race. It's about improving an industry, that's for sure. But statistics tell stories that the media ignores, and the consequence of that is that they made the bug in the system the system and that's unfair.
JUAN WILLIAMS, HOST: If you think this is about the media --
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: -- in terms of black community response in the sense that there's abusive behavior, especially towards young, black men.
GUTFELD: By whom? By whom?
WILLIAMS: And it's all being villain (ph). You are really off on this one.
GUTFELD: Oh, I'm right, buddy.
WILLIAMS: This is not a media story. Believe me. There's --
GUTFELD: They got it wrong.
WILLIAMS: There's real -- oh, it's not wrong. So everybody in their community, they're dealing with the cops; and they're wrong and it's the media, and it's the liberals --
GUTFELD: You never heard of the Ferguson effect, Juan?
WILLIAMS: Let me just say --
GUTFELD: In which the police backed off because of the coverage that they were getting? And then crime went up. That actually happened.
WILLIAMS: Listen, I think that we have a situation in this country where people want law and order. Right?
GUTFELD: Right.
WILLIAMS: They want order. But we don't want to be abused. We don't want to be the case that if you -- a cop shows up, immediately because I'm black, I'm the suspect. That's ridiculous.
GUTFELD: Look at the -- so just so you're clear, when a minority officer shows up at a minority house, he is racist.
WILLIAMS: No. Where do you --
GUTFELD: It's only because you're -- no, because I'm looking at statistics, Juan. Look at -- no, look at --
WILLIAMS: It's not about race. Let me tell you something.
GUTFELD: Yes, it is.
WILLIAMS: When they put on -- when they put on the blue uniform, they have brotherhood in terms of cops.
GUTFELD: Right.
WILLIAMS: For the most part. Occasionally you hear about this. But that's the thin blue line. And the thin blue line will stick together, unfortunately, sometimes in court when they're giving testimony.
WATTERS: And you know what?
GUTFELD: So then it's not race if it's a black officer, but it's race if it's a white officer.
WILLIAMS: I wouldn't -- I said it was poor black communities that most often --
GUTFELD: Who love the officers.
WILLIAMS: No. Who need officers --
GUTFELD: They reduce crime. They reduce crime.
WILLIAMS: -- in terms of crime reduction but who find that they are most often victimized by the police and that the white community ignores it.
WATTERS: And there already have been --
GUTFELD: So now it's the white community.
WATTERS: -- 19 police officers --
GUTFELD: I knew there was race somewhere.
WATTERS: -- shot in the line of duty this year alone.
The liberal media fawning over a new White House tell-all book. How President Trump is fighting back, up ahead.
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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: The most explosive book yet from an insider in the Trump White House.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Cliff Sims is talking. And it sounds like he has a bit of beef with the communications office in the White House.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A new book by a former Trump administration staff member shedding some light on a White House he describes as absolutely out of control.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Chaos in the Oval Office. That's been the story for two years, according to report after report.
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WILLIAMS: Boy, a lot of excitement about a new tell-all book from former White House staffer Cliff Sims. It's getting so much media attention, as you can see. Here's Sims, who served in the White House for 500 days.
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CLIFF SIMS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE STAFFER: The president and I are sitting just off the Oval Office in the private study; and we're creating what kind of amounts to an enemies list of people in the White House who I felt were basically disloyal to him.
His penchant for putting two rival staff members in a room and letting them fight it out over an issue does breed some of this competitive aspect. It's already a tough place to work.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever leak?
SIMS: No, no. I've talked about everything in here that I feel like I should have done differently, and that's not one of them.
JOY BEHAR, HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": The book is the leak, basically.
SIMS: Yes. I put my name on it.
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WILLIAMS: President Trump is slamming Sims, calling him a, quote, "low- level staffer who was nothing more than a gofer" and who is, quote, "mess."
The campaign also saying it will sue Sims for violating -- violating a confidentiality agreement.
So Jedediah, let's just go over the biggest, I think, reveal here, was one in which he goes into Kellyanne Conway's office, and he can see all the reporters calling Kellyanne. Even she's saying that somebody else is leaking, and they're not being loyal.
And Kellyanne has come back and said this is nonsense. The leakers are the ones who are getting the good press.
BILA: Yes. I mean, he's not embarrassed, this guy, to go - - I mean, I don't understand people that sign these NDAs and go in and have these high-level meetings with the president, and then clearly want to be on TV and want to sell a book so were just willing to tell the whole story. They should get sued. I don't know if anything will come of it.
But the precedent it sets. I mean, this guy came off like a weasel to me. And he's sitting and talking to Alisyn Camerota on NEW DAY, and she interrupts the interview and she says, "Oh, by the way, do you know that Trump tweeted."
And he goes, "Really?" He looked like a kid who had just gotten a --
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PERINO: so excited, more books.
BILA: -- because of a Kardashian. He was like, "Oh, wow, I got attention." And I would just caution Trump against that, just because you're giving this guy even more attention. And the fact that you might dislike him now or you've got beef with him, that's only going to make the media love him more.
I just can't believe we live in a country where you can take a high-profile position where you're trusted to value confidentiality and with potentially high national security information at times or high security information. And you go in and you abuse that right, that privilege to have a job like that. And you just decide, "Well, I want to write a tell-all," like you work for "The Enquirer." I mean, this guy is a joke.
WILLIAMS: I think he was chosen by Trump, though.
BILA: But still, that's what I'm saying.
WILLIAMS: All right. Well, I don't --
BILA: That's what I'm saying. You can be chosen like a position like that.
WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, this is something --
BILA: And it's a privilege to get these positions.
WILLIAMS: I think this is something even other people at the table even have said in the past. You know, boy, it's a lot of strange guys that are coming around Trump.
But anyway --
WATTERS: Yes.
WILLIAMS: -- let me ask you something. I noticed that this book, even if it's somewhat salacious and ridiculous, I mean, but it fits with what you heard from Woodward, from Michael Wolff, from Omarosa about chaos in the White House. How do you interpret it.
WATTERS: Well, I'm about a third of the way through the book, and I really like it. See, Dana, I do read.
PERINO: Yes. You have excellent taste in books, Jesse.
WATTERS: Thank you very much, Dana.
It's a positive portrayal of the president. They say how engaging he is, how intelligent he is. How connected he is to the people. It was a very flattering portrayal of the president, a very flattering portrayal of about 75 percent of the rest of the people.
He had negative things to say about Paul Ryan. At one point, he tells a great story about how Trump, in the middle of an Oval Office meeting, where Paul Ryan is boring the heck out of him for 30 minutes on health care policy, Trump just leaves, walks out and starts watching TV in the den. And he's just sitting there like, "What just happened?"
Also, very negative portrayal of Sean Spicer. Not a good manager. And they take us through how they did the whole crowd size first press conference and how that was a debacle and how he stole a little mini fridge from one of his staffers.
But all in all, this guy is from Alabama. A devout Christian. His father was a pastor. His mother was a Sunday school teacher. He was a Cruz supporter, Rubio guy and was really disgusted after the "Access Hollywood" tape. Almost left the campaign, because he couldn't handle it. And he said to himself, "You know what? As long as Hillary's not going to be in the White House, I'm going to stick it out with Trump."
BILA: "I'm going to stick it out and then leak."
WATTERS: Yes, and then he wrote a tell-all.
WILLIAMS: Dana.
PERINO: Well, I have very particular -- particularly strong feelings about this. A friend of mine who knows him suggested that he wants to be Alabama's Omarosa, which is not a compliment. OK? And this is what I think.
I don't care what may have happened in Kellyanne's office. If you are the staffer and you're there, and you think that it's inappropriate, you should resign.
BILA: Thank you.
PERINO: But I think it's highly inappropriate to then go sell a book, and especially while the president is still in office.
And yes, maybe the book is -- portrays the president positively, but it doesn't matter. They are in a news cycle that is not good for them right now. This guy goes out and makes a million dollars advance for a book, a million dollars advance --
GUTFELD: He made a million.
PERINO: -- for this book and he goes out. And it will be very hard for him to be trusted again by anyone.
And he's a talented young person. And I think that he has a lot -- he had a lot of promise. I think it was a bad decision. He could have written this book after the administration, and that would've been a better time to do it.
WILLIAMS: Greg, John Kelly -- he says that John Kelly, the former chief of staff, said, "OH, if Trump wants to fire me, it would be the best day of my life."
Another sort of, you know, admission by people, oh, yes, everybody was going to be the adult in the room to try to counter Trump. Even in his own description of why he stayed.
GUTFELD: The -- there is no tell-all in the history of tell-alls that is flattering to the subject or the tell-all wouldn't exist. Because when you sit down with a publisher, what they want is controversy. They want scandal. And they push you and they prod you to get the stuff out.
When you submit a -- your first draft, and it doesn't have enough crap in it --
PERINO: Exactly.
GUTFELD: -- they look at you like you betrayed them. "You've got to have some more stuff in here."
PERINO: How dare you? We gave you a million dollars.
GUTFELD: "How did you -- we need to have it."
And then you have the media gobble it up, as if they're, like, crack addicts in the sense that they forget it's an ephemeral high. And it often doesn't last, and it's false.
PERINO: He deserves better.
GUTFELD: Yes. So -- and I also don't like the fact that this guy is using his devout Christianity as a shield. Like that's important. No, it's money, dude. It's not God. It's green that is forcing you to do this.
Now we're going to have two presidential libraries. We're going to have one that's a traditional one and one for tell-alls. Trump has never been better than anybody than for the publishing industry.
But my last point, and I'll shut up. If you're a CEO, if you're a boss, if you're an interesting person, if you've done a lot in your life, the tell- all will come, and it be bad. Because the people who write the tell-all, they don't understand you. They don't know why you get mad. They don't know why you're impulsive. They don't understand your reasoning.
So when you're happy one minute and mad the other, or you leave the room, or you yell at somebody, they're going, like, "He's obviously an awful person." No, you're just an idiot, and you don't understand.
WATTERS: When is the Gutfeld tell-all coming out?
GUTFELD: Oh, it's coming. Believe me.
PERINO: And who's going to write it?
WATTERS: I'm going to buy that one.
GUTFELD: I have no idea.
WILLIAMS: I'm planning now.
But Greg, you didn't -- you weren't bothered that you have people like Omarosa and Cliff Sims on the inside with the same story.
GUTFELD: I think he made poor choices of people, but that's because he -- he wasn't -- he didn't know he was going to win.
WILLIAMS: All right.
It's my worst fear come true, and this happened to a woman trapped inside an elevator here in New York for days. How would all of us on "The Five" handle this madness? Next. Stay with us.
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BILA: A crazy story here in New York City. A housekeeper getting trapped for an entire weekend in a tiny elevator of a townhouse she cleans. The woman is OK now, but it has us wondering how would "The Five" handle being stuck like that?
All right. I have a theory now that the calmest person at the table in a situation like this would be Dana. Does everyone agree? Does everyone think that I'm right? Everybody's looking --
PERINO: Initially I think it's true.
GUTFELD: You know why, though? Because if you go simply by size, an elevator is like a --
PERINO: A house.
GUTFELD: An elevator is like a house.
WATTERS: Spacious.
PERINO: It's a studio apartment.
GUTFELD: It's a studio. She's like, "This is great. I can do jumping jacks."
PERINO: I can do my Pilates.
GUTFELD: Pilates.
BILA: What would you do, though, if you got --
PERINO: Well, I mean, I think -- ideally, you have your phone with you and the phone works and you're able to call somebody and get help. But that didn't happen here.
BILA: Right.
PERINO: And so, I mean, I don't know. Days is a lot of time. What are you doing over here?
BILA: What is this?
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GUTFELD: If you're gone for three days, somebody must have missed her. Right?
WILLIAMS: Yes, they did. After three days, some family members.
GUTFELD: But shouldn't it have been more than three days?
PERINO: Three hours.
GUTFELD: Three hours. My wife would be all over the city if I was --
WATTERS: She'd be, like, "Thank God. Leave me alone."
BILA: You know, there's no bathrooms in the elevator, Greg. So I shudder to think what it would look like.
GUTFELD: That hasn't stopped me before.
PERINO: I know. I did think about that.
BILA: Think about it. No bathrooms, no food.
PERINO: No water.
GUTFELD: Then you won't have to go to the bathroom. They'll cancel each other out.
BILA: Does anyone here carry -- I always carry water, because I'm afraid.
PERINO: No, never.
BILA: I always have water and a snack.
GUTFELD: Then you're going to have to pee. But then you have the bottle.
BILA: I do. I carry water.
WATTERS: What, do you go on a hike?
BILA: Listen, I read stuff -- I read the news. This stuff could happen.
How do you think you'd react, Juan?
WILLIAMS: Well, here's the thing. I grew up, as I mentioned earlier when we were talking about Howard Schultz, in projects. And terrible elevators that they never fixed here in New York. Just awful.
So it's built into my psyche. I freak out. I would freak out.
So I had to think about this, Jedediah. How would I handle it? And I think that I would try to sleep.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Because time would pass. If I could get myself to sleep, I'd be OK.
The other thing is, if any of the other ones of you were on the elevator, it would be great. Because I know you, you know. I could at least talk to somebody. Could be, like, "Hey, Juan, it's OK."
WATTERS: Stuck on an elevator with Juan for three days.
GUTFELD: What about if you are stuck in an elevator with somebody super famous. How do you --
WATTERS: More famous than me?
GUTFELD: Yes, Jesse. I know that's hard to believe.
WATTERS: Well, I don't know. Obviously, this woman is not an athlete. Because if I was in there, what the most is, is you hoist yourself up, knock out the top plate on the ceiling and then shimmy your way through the hole.
BILA: This is not an action film.
WATTERS: No, but that's how you get out. John McClane.
GUTFELD: Yes, that's it. John McClane.
BILA: Would you rather be stuck with somebody or by yourself, though? Because I don't know. It depends on who it is.
PERINO: I don't see how you get out from the top. But can you get out at the top?
WATTERS: Well, if you're stuck with somebody, you get them on your shoulders, and then they hoist up.
WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you, the authorities have thought about this, Jesse. And they now make it very difficult to do that, if possible at all.
I mean, my thought is that, especially in this building, which is, you know, one of these skyscrapers, you're on television the whole time. There's a camera watching you.
WATTERS: Wait, there is?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
GUTFELD: I don't know in this private townhouse. I'm not sure.
WILLIAMS: No, no, not they're. I'm saying in this --
BILA: In the town house, there wasn't.
WATTERS: And then you can watch FOX News in the elevator that you're trapped in.
WILLIAMS: That would be good.
GUTFELD: I hate that.
BILA: Get out.
GUTFELD: No, I hate -- we have FOX News in elevators here. It drives me crazy.
WATTERS: What would you prefer, Greg?
GUTFELD: I would prefer silence. Absolute silence.
WILLIAMS: It would be "The Four."
BILA: All right. "One More Thing" is coming up next.
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GUTFELD: Human flesh. Human flesh. "One More Thing," Jesse.
WATTERS: You know the Russians love stealing e-mails?
GUTFELD: Yes.
WATTERS: They also like stealing fine art. Check out this Russian at a gallery. See what he does here. So he's just creeping in, the middle of the gallery.
PERINO: Creeper.
WATTERS: Could be just smooth. Everyone is around. Everybody can see him. Look what he does.
PERINO: What?
WATTERS: He takes the masterpiece off of the wall and just walks out.
BILA: How do you not know that there are cameras?
PERINO: Maybe they think they work there.
WATTERS: He just walks right out. But he got busted. All right? They got him.
PERINO: Brazen.
WATTERS: Nice try, Russian.
GUTFELD: All right, where are we? Dana.
PERINO: OK. Over the weekend, I did a podcast you'll want to listen to. It's called "Studio Jake." This is Jacob Airey. He's a great guy. He also works at Daily Wire. Excuse me.
Jasper made a little cameo appearance. That's Jake, and we talked about the Oscars. We talked about "Free," "Solo" and "Vice," but I didn't really have any of that information.
Then I had a dream that I got asked to host the Oscars, but I forgot that I didn't see the letter, and then there was no dress for me to wear, and they had only a size 9 shoe, and I wear 5.5. And it was very --
GUTFELD: What did I say before this?
PERINO: Jacob Airey also has a book out called "The Seven Royals: All Good Things." It is a thrilling fantasy that you can check out.
And I'll be on tomorrow with Howard Schultz and Chris Christie at 2 p.m.
WATTERS: Nice. Big show.
GUTFELD: Fantastic. Howie and Chris.
All right, time for this.
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GUTFELD (singing): Animals are great! Animals are great! Animals are great!
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GUTFELD: Yes, never get tired of this stuff, do you? I think Juan just had a coronary.
You know what? Animals are great, especially when they fight. Check out this poodle giving a body slam to a cat.
PERINO: Wow.
GUTFELD: I don't even know if this is real, but in slow motion.
WATTERS: Whoa.
GUTFELD: I don't know. I'm still not sure if this is real. I've never seen anything like this. But you know what? I love it when they fight because --
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GUTFELD (singing): Animals are great! Animals are great! Animals are great!
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GUTFELD: That's how you go through something fast. You speed through it. Juan.
WILLIAMS: All right. So look at this, we have cupcakes. And you know why, folks? Because it's Jedediah's birthday.
PERINO: Happy birthday.
WILLIAMS (singing): Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.
BILA: Thank you so much! It's tough turning 21 again.
WILLIAMS: I know. Anyway, happy birthday.
BILA: Thank you very much.
GUTFELD: You aren't 21. Aren't you about 50?
BILA: I'm 21, Gregory.
GUTFELD: I'm just giving you grief. People always do the young thing. I do the old thing.
PERINO: She looks amazing.
BILA: I'm 75 years old, and I look fantastic.
WILLIAMS: But it's a big year for you. You got married a year ago.
BILA: I did. I got married a year ago.
WILLIAMS: And look at this. Things are going great.
GUTFELD: And now you have a birthday!
BILA: And now I have a birthday.
WILLIAMS: Congratulations.
GUTFELD: How often does that happen?
BILA: Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Amazing.
GUTFELD: Well, we have one minute, and Jedediah --
BILA: Yes, so some people watch the Super Bowl. I, of course, watch the Puppy Bowl. Time for the 15th annual Puppy Bowl coming up, featuring 93 -- look at these babies, 93 puppies, including special needs dogs.
And if you don't like dogs, there's a little something for you, too, Greg, because there are baby kangaroos and porcupines on the sidelines.
GUTFELD: Really? I like that.
BILA: And there is a kitten half times, which I fall in love with every year. And what's important to note about this is that Animal Planet does it all the time. They're all rescue animals, and there is a 100 percent adoption rate for these puppies. So every single puppy that you see on here will go home to a family.
WATTERS: Ruff and Tumble.
BILA: Ruff and Tumble, yes. It's separated into Team Ruff and Team Fluff, which I thought was quite creative, actually.
PERINO: You made that, like, the Patriots?
GUTFELD: Yes, nice one.
WATTERS: Good one, Dana.
BILA: And they compete for trophies, you know. This isn't just for play.
GUTFELD: Of course not.
BILA: This is a harsh competition.
GUTFELD: All right. Enough out of you.
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