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Published January 11, 2019
This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," January 11, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
LAURA INGRAHAM, HOST: I'm Laura Ingraham, and this is “The Ingraham Angle” tonight from Washington.
President Trump is once again highlighting the real crisis at our border and the need for a wall, as Democrats show no signs of working with him or compromising to this end of getting the government back in operation, at least 25 percent of it.
Univision anchor Jorge Ramos says the wall is a symbol of hate and racism. I'll debate him exclusively in moments. And then I'm going to talk to two people on the frontlines of this crisis about the challenges that they confront daily, the real. And you guys have to check this out. This is a California TV station that says it was snubbed by CNN because of their honest reports on the border wall. Meaning, the KUSI and its reporter at the center of the controversy will join us exclusively with that story. And CNN did respond. We'll bring that to you.
Plus, flying the friendly skies. Well, it could get a little bit more expensive, as one airline is encouraging tipping. And while The Sopranos turns 20, its creator is revealing new details about that ending that vexed so many. Raymond Arroyo has it all in Friday Follies.
But first, President Trump raising the alarm today about the real crisis at the border with some of his strongest language yet. The President hosted a border security roundtable, and he insisted that Congress step up and fund the wall now.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP: Very incredible people, the federal employees that we're talking about. But many of them agree with what I'm saying and what the people in this room, who're experts, are saying. They don't want to see people killed because we can't do a simple border structure. And I appreciate their incredible support.
Congress should do this. This is too simple. It's too basic. And Congress should do this. If they can't do it - if at some point they just can't do it - this is a 15-minute meeting. If they can't do it, I will declare a national emergency. I have the absolute right to do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
INGRAHAM: Now, despite that, the liberal media says - well, they're not backing down. From their own opposition to any border, wall, barrier, fence, whatever you want to call it, Univision anchor, an old friend, Jorge Ramos, writes in a new op-ed, "Mr. Trump's wall is a symbol of hate and racism, and it would be completely useless. And it doesn't address any national emergency."
Jorge joins me now. It's great to see you, Jorge. We have a bit of a delay, so everybody has to bear with each other. But border patrol agents, including President Obama's border patrol chief, says that walls work. That's what they're saying. And now, it's not a matter of hate, but protecting Americans. So more don't die at the hands of people who are here illegally and that it keeps those who are trying to cross the border safe from trafficking and all the other things that befall them.
Now, what's racist, Jorge, about protecting innocent people, both on the other side of the border and those who are here in the United States?
JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: I'll get to that. Let me just first address about the wall being completely useless. Almost 45 percent of all undocumented immigrants coming to this country come by plane or with a visa. So a wall right now would be completely useless. There is no national emergency.
National emergency was 9/11. National emergency was after the war in Iraq. That's when most of the 700 miles of wall that we have right now - that's a national emergency. What we have right now is not a national emergency. The border communities are among the safest in the country. The number of arrests are among the lowest in the last 20 years, and the--
INGRAHAM: OK.
RAMOS: --undocumented population has remained stable for the last - for the last few years. And now, about--
INGRAHAM: Well, that's not what you thought back in 2006, though. Is it? I mean, 2006, in The Washington Post in March, you wrote the following. "Every minute, an--
RAMOS: Yes.
INGRAHAM: --immigrant crosses the border--
RAMOS: Sure.
INGRAHAM: --illegally. And that, I agree, is an enormous threat to the United States." "Enormous threat" is what you wrote. It is in the best interest of the United States--
RAMOS: It was 9/11. Remember--
INGRAHAM: --in terms of national security--
RAMOS: Remember 9/11?
INGRAHAM: --to know who is here and who is coming in. That's your language. And President Obama, and we'll play this, basically agreed with your assessment of where the country was then. And let's hear what he had to say.
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BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT: We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully, to become immigrants in this country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
INGRAHAM: Jorge, what's changed?
RAMOS: That was 9/11 after - that was after 9/11. Well, nothing - nothing really has changed. I mean, what we have seen is that the number of undocumented immigrants coming to this country, in the year 2000, it was more than a million every single year. And now we are among the - we have some of the lowest numbers of arrests in the last 20 years. So something has been working.
(CROSSTALK)
INGRAHAM: Yes, but Jorge, we have family members crossing. We have children dying. We have 27,518--
RAMOS: That's changing. That's new.
INGRAHAM: --family members who are arrested, that's up 240 percent from last December. At that point, there was only 8,120 arrests of family units. And that's including little children--
RAMOS: Yes, but that is not a--
INGRAHAM: --who are being dragged across the desert.
RAMOS: That is not a crisis. That's - that's a--
INGRAHAM: How is that good?
RAMOS: I'm not saying it's good. What I'm saying, this is a crisis created also by President Trump. We have right now thousands and thousands of families on the Mexican side, mostly in--
(CROSSTALK)
INGRAHAM: Oh, I thought it wasn't a crisis, now you are saying it's a crisis.
RAMOS: --who are trying to apply - who are trying to apply for political asylum. And because of President Trump's policies, only a few of them are processed every single day. How is - how is that not a crisis created by President Trump? Now--
INGRAHAM: OK. So it is a crisis.
RAMOS: --there is not a crisis along the border enough to merit new walls. That's exactly what I'm saying.
INGRAHAM: OK.
RAMOS: How come then we have some of the safest communities on the side of the border?
INGRAHAM: Well--
RAMOS: This is not 9/11.
INGRAHAM: --because a lot of people dispersed from the border.
RAMOS: This is a manufactured crisis--
INGRAHAM: Yes--
RAMOS: --created by President Trump. Simply - simply, just like that.
INGRAHAM: Well, I think there's a - there is a big business in bringing people across the border. You've talked about it. I mean, the cartels, the coyotes, they make--
RAMOS: Yes.
INGRAHAM: --millions of dollars, thousands of dollars per poor migrant crossing the border.
RAMOS: But where is the crisis, Laura? I think - I think maybe that's the real point. I mean, where is the crisis? Where do you see the crisis that--
(CROSSTALK)
INGRAHAM: I'll tell you what the crisis is. Just one - just one figure.
RAMOS: --just to give money from national disaster--
INGRAHAM: Right.
RAMOS: --to this.
INGRAHAM: Yes. You follow all of this. And you report on so much of this daily--
RAMOS: Yes.
INGRAHAM: --and you're - I mean, I'm not patronizing. You are a really smart person. You've been all over the world, you've interviewed world leaders. So when these facts pop up, this is just a Texas issue. This is between 2011 and 2018, the Texas numbers. They booked 186,000 illegal aliens for a total of 292,000 crimes. Now, is this a crisis? 539 murders, 32,000 assaults, including 3,426 sexual assaults, almost 3,000 weapons charges.
RAMOS: So don't criminalize immigrants, Laura.
INGRAHAM: That's not a - I mean, that sounds like a crisis to me--
RAMOS: But don't criminalize immigrants.
INGRAHAM: --in one state.
RAMOS: It is not a crisis. I mean, the people, the immigrants who commit crimes here do not represent the vast majority of immigrants. You and I know perfectly well, and your audience knows perfectly well that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and immigrants are less likely to be behind bars. So--
INGRAHAM: That's--
RAMOS: --don't criminalize immigrants. And--
INGRAHAM: That's conflating illegal and legal, though. That's - you can't conflate both--
RAMOS: No, no, no, we're not--
(CROSSTALK)
INGRAHAM: I want--
RAMOS: No, no, no. Even undocumented immigrants.
INGRAHAM: I want legal immigration. I want legal immigration--
RAMOS: Even undocumented immigrants are not criminals.
INGRAHAM: --not illegal immigrants.
RAMOS: Nobody--
INGRAHAM: I love legal immigrants--
RAMOS: Nobody wants undocumented immigration.
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: Nobody wants - not even undocumented immigrants. That's the only way to solve this problem. But just to create a crisis to spend $5 billion on a wall that we don't need, it is completely absurd.
INGRAHAM: Right. What about the families?
RAMOS: President Trump is afraid of you guys at Fox News.
INGRAHAM: Right. Well, you have--
RAMOS: That is - that is what's happening right now.
INGRAHAM: You have a lot of--
RAMOS: He is--
INGRAHAM: Right. You have a lot of--
RAMOS: He's afraid of your criticism, he's afraid of your colleagues, and he's creating--
INGRAHAM: I don't - I really--
RAMOS: --a crisis--
INGRAHAM: I mean--
RAMOS: --simply because--
INGRAHAM: Gosh--
RAMOS: --he needs--
INGRAHAM: --that's a nice--
RAMOS: --he needs to deliver--
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: --on a wall that might not be build before 2020.
INGRAHAM: That's a - that's a nice thought that we have all this influence. However, real people are suffering badly. And I spend - as you know, I've spent a lot of time in Central America, in Guatemala, in El Salvador, not so much in Mexico, but in Central America. I know it really well. There is an enormous amount of suffering, enormous amount of corruption. There is also an enormous amount of suffering in the United States.
And I want to play - this is a family who joined us last night. Their son Pierce was killed just about a week or so ago, hit by an illegal immigrant driver head on. Let's watch them.
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DJ CORCORAN, FATHER OF PIERCE CORCORAN WHO WAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT: This is our son. This was Pierce Corcoran. He is dead. His death is real. His death is real, it's not fabricated, and he died at the hands of an illegal immigrant.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
INGRAHAM: Those families feel like they're in crisis. If I lost a child, I couldn't even get up in the morning. I don't know how parents can even--
RAMOS: Me too.
INGRAHAM: --whether it's by gunshot or by kidnapping, or whatever it is. But this is happening, and it's happened repeatedly. Not just murder, but DUI, all sorts of other things. So it's a family crisis for a lot of people, and a lot of the people suffering, Jorge, are legal Hispanic immigrants. They're suffering.
RAMOS: I do understand, and I cannot even imagine - as a father, I cannot even imagine the pain that they are suffering because of their loss. I really cannot even imagine that.
Now, we cannot generalize that, Laura, and that's the problem. We cannot criminalize all the undocumented immigrants for what one person did or what a few people did. We cannot do that. This is exactly what President Trump is doing in his last speech. He again criminalized all immigrants, and he is creating this fear, making sure that people think that unless we do something and build his wall, that things are going to change.
I mean, I - of course, I cannot condone what happened to that family, of course not. But we have to understand that what happened in that incident does not represent the vast majority of immigrants in this country.
INGRAHAM: Well, of course not. Not everybody - not everybody in the neighborhood where there's gang activity is guilty of gang activity. But the gang members have to be punished, and you have to look at overall policing priorities to see if they're actually putting the resources in the neighborhood. So it's kind of a bit of a false dichotomy to analyze it by that.
But people who do know a lot more than I do, and probably no more than you do, who are on the border, do assess the situation on a daily basis. Mark Napier, and he is the Pima County Sheriff. Big, big border town and border area in Arizona. He said the following, a very interesting interview. Let's watch.
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MARK NAPIER, THE SHERIFF OF PIMA COUNTY, ARIZONA: It is a public safety crisis, not only from drug trafficking, but human trafficking. And the victimization of migrants at the hands of bandits and coyotes is also a public safety issue. And there is an underlying national security concern here. More cocaine is coming into this country. We're having overdoses every day. And that's not the President being dramatic, that's happening in my community. I know this is true.
(END VIDEO CLIP) INGRAHAM: What about the drugs? I've talked a lot about China sending fentanyl here and what a scourge that is. But what about the drug cartels that are using these pathways for illegal narcotics?
RAMOS: I'm glad that you mentioned that because what he was saying is false. I mean, of course, we have a problem with drugs. But guess what? Most of the sea shores that we - that we get here in this country are adorned at legal points of entry, not throughout the border. And then so we are - again, President Trump and many people are trying to create the idea that all of these drugs are coming through along the U.S./Mexico border, and that is not true. Through legal points of entry.
INGRAHAM: Right. But cartels--
RAMOS: And then again--
INGRAHAM: --aren't showing up and saying, hi, I'm here, right?
RAMOS: As long as you have more than 28 million--
INGRAHAM: I mean, they're coming across--
RAMOS: Yes, but as long as you have more than 28 million Americans using illegal drugs, this is the largest market in the world.
INGRAHAM: So you're blaming Americans here?
RAMOS: So--
INGRAHAM: I mean, of course, they're addicted.
RAMOS: Not a person in Mexico and Colombia and Central America, they're going to be--
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: --they're going to be sending that. Now, along the border, we have some of the safest communities. So, if what he is saying is true, how come out of the nine members of Congress who represent districts along the U.S.- Mexico border, how come not a single one of them, not a single one of them, support the wall that President Trump wants?
INGRAHAM: Well, there's a huge demography. Right.
RAMOS: So they know what's happening at the border. Right?
INGRAHAM: I think there's been a huge graphic change.
RAMOS: I mean, we know that. But they know what's happening at the border.
INGRAHAM: McAllen, Texas, et cetera. Yes.
RAMOS: So they don't support this.
INGRAHAM: Yes. That - oh, that's a fair point. And--
RAMOS: So they don't support that.
INGRAHAM: Yes. The demography has changed, but the peoples dispersed. It's not like all 12 million people live in the border towns. They dispersed to North Carolina, and they're in Fairfax County, Virginia. I mean, they're all over the country.
RAMOS: Let's see--
INGRAHAM: There's one other statistic, though, Jorge.
RAMOS: I've been there, you've been there.
INGRAHAM: One other--
RAMOS: They're safe communities.
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: Really safe communities.
INGRAHAM: One - well, I'm not sure if a lot of people in our business live in McAllen, Texas on a daily basis, but - I mean, there are a lot of great people and a lot of the border communities. But there are other facts that are relevant. I want to close with one.
This is a statistic from our federal prisons today. So illegal immigrants, you say - let's say they're anywhere from 7 million to 12 million people. It's unclear. We don't really have a good number. But 23 percent of federal inmates are illegal immigrants, committing a wide variety of crimes, not just - not entry into the country, multiple entries. These are violent crimes. 23 percent? And we don't - we don't need to do a better job? These aren't students overstaying their visas for the most part. These are people crossing our borders.
RAMOS: Yes. Well, I think that the Hispanic population is about 20 percent. Most of the undocumented immigrants coming to this country are still Latino. So 23 percent - I mean, I've got to check the numbers that you're telling me. But--
INGRAHAM: That's a DHS.
RAMOS: But that's - that--
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: --is just - well, that is - again, it's just a number (inaudible) response to the percentage of Latinos in the population. But again, I think the--
INGRAHAM: Well, it's not - it's a - yes.
RAMOS: The most important thing for me tonight is just to say that there is no crisis. It's a manufactured crisis by President Trump. He's afraid of you. He's afraid of Fox News.
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: And he wants to spend $5 billion--
INGRAHAM: Jorge.
RAMOS: --for a wall that we don't need.
INGRAHAM: Jorge, is there anything - it's like - let's say Trump says I want to give amnesty to all 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States, but you're going to give me the money for the wall. You'll still be against the wall?
RAMOS: I - let me quote former Congressman Luis Gutierrez.
INGRAHAM: Oh, come on.
RAMOS: At some point, he said that it was--
INGRAHAM: Come on. You've got to play here.
RAMOS: --like paying a ransom - like ransom for a kidnapping. So--
INGRAHAM: Oh, come on. Kidnapping?
RAMOS: --when you have--
INGRAHAM: There are a lot of kidnappings by illegals too.
RAMOS: --a wall that has become a racist symbol - no. Well, when you have a wall that has become racist symbol, it is very difficult for anyone--
INGRAHAM: Oh, come on. Jorge--
RAMOS: --to support--
INGRAHAM: Jorge, you are so much better--
RAMOS: --building a--
INGRAHAM: Jorge, you were so much better than that.
RAMOS: It is - it is--
INGRAHAM: People have--
RAMOS: No.
INGRAHAM: --walls.
RAMOS: No, it's a symbol of racism.
INGRAHAM: Walls have existed throughout time.
RAMOS: Now, right, you know it's a symbol of racism.
INGRAHAM: OK? A wall that has a door for - so you know who's coming in--
RAMOS: President Trump made that a--
INGRAHAM: --and who is not - who is leaving, that's - that's a wall that exists, so we don't hate everybody on the other side, we love our own people and we want to welcome in people in an orderly fashion. That's all it is. It's not a negative thing.
RAMOS: But let me finish--
INGRAHAM: It can be, but this is not. Jorge, I love having you on.
RAMOS: It is a racist - it is a racist symbol. When President - when President Trump said that--
INGRAHAM: Yes.
RAMOS: --Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists, and he said the wall can stop that.
INGRAHAM: All right. You can say all--
(CROSSTALK)
RAMOS: He made that--
INGRAHAM: Hey, Jorge, we can't recreate the wheel.
RAMOS: --a racist symbol. And - and--
INGRAHAM: But are all walls - no, no. Are all walls--
RAMOS: No--
INGRAHAM: --around the houses of Democrats and tech titans, are those racist too in areas where there's a high minority population? Were those racist?
RAMOS: No. No.
INGRAHAM: No.
RAMOS: I'm saying that the--
INGRAHAM: So only - only the Trump wall would be racist.
RAMOS: --that Trump created the wall as a racist symbol.
INGRAHAM: Yes. All right. Guys, thank you - Jorge, thank you so much.
And now here to respond, two men on the frontlines of the border crisis. I should have referenced this. Hector Garza, border patrol agent in Texas, Vice President of the National Border Patrol Council. And Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West's community also been ravaged by drugs coming across the border. All right. We're going to get right to it, guys. We went long with Jorge.
Hector, let's start with you. You just said what - heard what Jorge said. Border communities are the safest, and a lot of the border patrol agents say a wall is absolutely not needed. Your response.
HECTOR GARZA, VP, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: Well, first of all, Jorge Ramos does not represent the views of the Hispanic communities. He likes to go on these shows and talk for Hispanics and Latino here in the United States. He does not represent our views. And he is representing any of (ph) the show and then he represents himself.
Now, as border patrol agents, we have over 52 percent of Hispanics on the workforce. And we do support a barrier. We're asking for help for the safety of the American people and for the safety of our border patrol agents.
INGRAHAM: Well, Sheriff, let's get to you. Look, it's always hard when you're trying to talk to someone or debate someone who just says right off the bat, this is racist. Then there's nowhere to go with the argument. And I actually do like debating people on things because I think you can find some common ground, I think, if you can agree to some basic facts.
But if, right off the bat, the wall is called racist, there's nothing really you could do, nothing we can say. But what do you say, with your own experience, in our community, in Pima County, about what illegal immigration has done to the people, to the businesses and to the crime rate?
ARVIN WEST, SHERIFF OF HUDSPETH COUNTY, TEXAS: Well, first of all, it's Hudspeth County. I'm next door to El Paso County. And when you hear these politicians get up there and talk about, you know, these metropolitan areas are safe along the border, they're safe because there's walls, there's fences built there. And the overflow of that is what we have to deal with.
So, yes, when you get representatives from El Paso sitting there saying the wall is - we don't need the wall, they don't, because they've already got the wall in their communities. It's the outer-lying areas where we deal with it.
And you bring up the issue about the wall on the entire southwestern border. In some places, it's going to be a good idea, and in some places, it just don't work. But there's areas throughout the southwest border that it is virtually impossible to put a fence up. You get to the big mountains, these canyons and stuff like that, it's not going to work.
INGRAHAM: Yes. But the President has never talked about that.
WEST: But when Ramos--
(CROSSTALK)
INGRAHAM: Yes. The President has never - I mean, he's never said you put them in the mountains or in the Rio Grande river. And excuse me for putting you in Pima County. Obviously I knew you're in Hudspeth. So, sorry about that.
We were referencing another--
WEST: But--
INGRAHAM: --another sheriff earlier. But the thing about this, what I don't understand is just a few years ago, pretty much everyone agreed we needed to do something here. And now, because President Trump is in office, it's not Barack Obama but President Trump is in office, or it's not Bill Clinton who did Operation Gatekeeper, because I was down there reporting on it back in 1996 in San Diego, they all knew that that was working, guys.
So what the heck has changed except we have, Hector, a lot of family units crossing the border and drug cartels that are further enriched by the scam at the border?
GARZA: Well, back in 2015, Jorge Ramos went to Laredo, Texas, and I gave him a border tour. And Jorge Ramos called it a humanitarian crisis that was ongoing at the border. And things are really bad nowadays with the caravans.
Now, we have this big caravan in the California border up there in Tijuana. Now, we have another caravan in Central America that's forming already, but what people are not reporting is that we have a silent caravan that has been coming through the Rio Grande valley in South Texas and where our agents are apprehending anywhere from 500 to 1,000 illegal aliens a day.
Now, what's happening with all those illegal aliens that are coming into our country is that we're also catching a lot of dangerous drugs and a lot of dangerous criminals. Now, President Trump did not say that all migrants were murderers and rapists. However, as border patrol agents, we do arrest a lot of illegal aliens that have criminal histories, that are murders and rapists and kidnappers, and they commit very serious crimes.
The State of Texas has done an amazing job in keeping those statistics, and they've talked about them yesterday here in McAllen, Texas.
INGRAHAM: Sheriff, finally with you. I threw out the statistics that are shocking between 2011 and the most recent year I think was 2018. They're shocking. How many crimes have been committed? And a lot of these are repeat offenders, Sheriff. And Jorge, I'm glad he came on this show, but he just seemed to blow that all off as though they're not representative. But it's thousands and thousands of crimes.
WEST: Well, Hector is absolutely right. And we deal with this on a daily basis when it comes through here. But on the same token, what about the immigrants that are coming across, for example, the desert? Because I live out in the desert. And an agent - the immigrants that are coming across the border out there, we're picking up dead bodies pretty regularly. We picked up more this past year than we ever have because they get out in the desert, the coyotes leave them to fend for themselves, and they end up dying out there. Where is the humanitarian cry on that? Where is Ramos on that?
And Hector is right. We are seeing a lot more criminal aliens that have committed criminal crimes - have committed crimes in the past that are repeat offenders that are coming back into the country.
INGRAHAM: I mean, we have children dying. We have adults dying. We have American citizens dying. And we have an environmental situation. We have diseases and encampments. On the other side of the border, doctors are documenting that. How someone doesn't call this a crisis? For the life of me, I don't understand that. You both gave us important perspective tonight. We really, really appreciate it. Thank you so much.
And coming up, tipping flight attendants and Paulie Walnuts, all in the Friday Follies with Raymond Arroyo, next.
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INGRAHAM: It's Friday, and that means it's time for - oh, it's Friday Follies. So, question. Should we be tipping flight attendants, a Yuletide home invasion, and bada bing, we have an anniversary to celebrate.
Well, joining us now with all the details, Raymond Arroyo. He's a Fox News contributor, of course, and New York Times best-selling author of the upcoming book, Will Wilder #3: The Amulet of Power. OK, Raymond. An airline now wants us to tip flight attendants. First of all, I think flight attendants should make triple whatever they're making because they put up--
RAYMOND ARROYO, CONTRIBUTOR: They do a lot.
INGRAHAM: They put up with people, with--
ARROYO: No, wait, we're going to get to all of that. We're going to get to all of that.
INGRAHAM: All right. But what is this about with the tipping because--
ARROYO: Well--
INGRAHAM: --we can't even get like a package of peanuts anymore, but you have to tip folks.
ARROYO: Frontier Airlines is starting instituting this policy where when you order drinks, beverages, snacks, you can tip the attendants. Now, I realize flight attendants--
INGRAHAM: That's nice.
ARROYO: --they do a lot, Laura--
INGRAHAM: They do a lot--
ARROYO: --as you mentioned.
INGRAHAM: --especially on Frontier.
ARROYO: Well, they deal with ornery passengers like this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TONY FIERRO: Hey, bud. Hey, bud. You do that to me and I'll knock you flat.
FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Hey, you stay out of this. You stay out of this.
FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Come on, try it. Try it. Try it.
TONY FIERRO: Why don't you--
FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Try it. Hit me. Come on.
TONY FIERRO: You get the hell off me.
FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Come on. Bring it on.
FLIGHT ATTENDANT: You don't know what the story is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're running--
TONY FIERRO: I don't care what the story is. You almost hurt a baby.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
INGRAHAM: One too many Jack and Cokes there.
ARROYO: Yes.
INGRAHAM: Oh, they also - they perform in coordinated safety demonstration.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Each seat is provided with a seatbelt. Put that in, push hands together. Tie your seatbelt by pulling--
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ARROYO: And Laura, some - some even do a full floor show like this guy.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: --anytime you're seated. This aircraft has six emergency exits. Two forward exit doors, two overwing window exits, and two--
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ARROYO: But here is the problem.
INGRAHAM: Is this aerobics or--?
ARROYO: Here's the problem.
INGRAHAM: That's Southwest. It has to be. They're always practicing this.
ARROYO: They - no, they always - they do jokes, they dance--
INGRAHAM: Yes.
ARROYO: --they do the whole thing.
INGRAHAM: I don't blame them.
ARROYO: Their floor entertainment - look, I love these flight attendants. They go through a lot. You and I see what they do in the air. However, the airlines have now charged us for what once was given to you, your bags, your snacks. Pretty soon we're going to have to drop quarters in the little tiny toilet to get in. I don't like this. I think they're bleeding the passengers. And they're already charging so much for these flights.
INGRAHAM: I have - I have - yes. I have an idea. With--
ARROYO: The flight attendant should come for free. I'm sorry.
INGRAHAM: With all of the money they've made in the airlines in recent years, I have an idea. Give your people more of a raise.
ARROYO: Right.
INGRAHAM: OK? Because we're paying a lot for air transportation.
ARROYO: Exactly.
INGRAHAM: The flight attendants - I like tipping big. It's a good thing. My mother was a waitress. I'm always tipping, tipping, tipping. Big tippers, you get it back up--
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ARROYO: Not all the airlines will allow tips, but some do. So--
INGRAHAM: Hey, slip on the 20--
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ARROYO: All right. Laura, now this week marks the 20th anniversary of landmark HBO series, The Sopranos. It is easily the most influential and groundbreaking series of the last 40 years or so. The cast reunited this week, and the creator, David Chase, spilled the beans on that mysterious ending. You remember Tony Soprano took his family to a diner? And the screen went black.
Well, he tells writers of a new book called The Sopranos Sessions, "I think I had that death scene around two years before the end. I remember talking with Sopranos writer and executive producer Mitch Burgess about it. But it wasn't - it was slightly different. Tony was going to be called to a meeting with Johnny Sack in Manhattan, and he was going to go back through the Lincoln Tunnel for this meeting, and it was going to go black there and you never saw him again as he was heading back, the theory being that something bad happens to him at the meeting. But we didn't do that."
Now, what they did do was go to black in the diner, but it's clear here, Laura, he envisioned a death scene. So the mystery has been solved.
INGRAHAM: Do you know the song it was playing?
ARROYO: "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow." Right?
INGRAHAM: Yes. It was - it was--
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INGRAHAM: --I think a lot of people criticize the ending.
ARROYO: Well, it was a - because it was kind of an odd ending and it was open-ended.
INGRAHAM: Don't stop believing.
ARROYO: Don't stop believing. That's right.
INGRAHAM: Don't stop believing.
ARROYO: That's right.
INGRAHAM: All right. Solved. It was one of the greatest ever. All right.
ARROYO: OK. Your favorite scene in The Sopranos, Laura?
INGRAHAM: OK. My favorite scene in the greatest series ever made--
ARROYO: And we loved the series.
INGRAHAM: --ever made - ever made, everyone is trying to copy it. None of them can. OK? No one can. David Chase is brilliant. And no one wanted it, by the way. No one wanted it. HBO finally took it. So my favorite scene is when - Christopher, he - because Christopher, the nephew, got into some trouble with some drugs and some booze. So Paulie Walnuts and company had to take matters into their own hands. It's called the intervention.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are here to talk about you killing yourself with drugs. Not my (inaudible) personality.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to kill myself? The way you (inaudible) are going to heart attack by the time you're 50?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: --sit down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're talking to the boss here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like maybe someone will smack some God (inaudible) sense into him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Great. My own mother--
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: --kill you.
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INGRAHAM: No, no, no, we need the chair.
ARROYO: They broke the chair.
INGRAHAM: The chair over his head. You're leaving all that stuff out.
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ARROYO: You and I have similar tastes in humor. My favorite moment is when Livia Soprano, his mother in the first season, is dropping a friend off at her house. This was classic.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's my Star Ledger. Thanks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This street is another pain in the --
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ARROYO: Livia is going a little batty at that point, forgot to put the car in reverse, and ran her friend over.
INGRAHAM: I think she did it just the way she wanted to.
ARROYO: Maybe she did.
INGRAHAM: OK, so the series was great, and it sustains people still, thinking about it. A lot of bawdy stuff, but why? There's another point.
ARROYO: First of all, it was a family drama, the first time they put the mob in the setting of a family drama, and that true, men and women, which David Chase brilliantly conceived. Then there were these haunting moments that were never explained, Laura, like this. Paulie Walnuts going into the Bada Bing, the strip club, and there, on the bar, is the Virgin Mary. He looks, he sees her, then he never sees her again. It is grace in the midst of this sin. And you see them battling back and forth over it.
INGRAHAM: Or his conscience, his conscience.
ARROYO: The wages of sin are death. We saw a lot of death in the series.
HBO did a big thing this week where they gave anyone who tweeted their account, they offered mobster nicknames too. We thought it would be fun to give each other mobster nicknames.
INGRAHAM: OK, your nickname, I'm trying to make a play on words. You are No Ray Romano -- Arroyo.
ARROYO: Not Romano. Arroyo.
INGRAHAM: No Ray Arroyo. I say No Ray, I almost said Romano --
ARROYO: Why no ray?
INGRAHAM: Because look at Raymond's milky white complexion. It looks redder on TV, but it's white. He has no wrinkles, he is so vain. He has no wrinkles -- yes, you are. Rebecca. No wrinkles, and a ray of sunshine comes through when you're outside at a lunch or something, Raymond is like, we have to go inside now. It is hot now. The sun is terrible.
ARROYO: The son is your enemy, ladies.
INGRAHAM: Oh, my God. So No Ray.
ARROYO: My nickname for Laura, there was Vinnie the bull, and Johnny the neck. How about Laura the mouth? It's the perfect mobster nickname.
INGRAHAM: Thank you.
ARROYO: We need Laura the mouth.
INGRAHAM: My enemies will love it, thank you.
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ARROYO: Why do all of the old Italians talk like --
INGRAHAM: I don't know, but I love it.
So on Tuesday, a big, big day, "The Laura Ingraham Podcast," Raymond is my partner in crime, starts. And it's going to be a series of episodes throughout the week. All you do is go to PodcastOne. It's going to be culture, family, relationships, fun. I think you are going to learn and laugh a lot during this podcast. It is going to be really fun. So Tuesday I'll start. Just go to podcast, go your iTunes, your Apple iTunes podcast, little purple thing on your iPhone, easy to find. It's going to be a lot of fun. So Tuesday the fun begins.
All right, The Arbiter is next. Two lawyers make their case on set right here, I have the gavel. And on the docket tonight, sororities suing for the right to study, what, and a family fights back after being called ugly. Here comes the judge, next.
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MARIANNE RAFFERTY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Live from America's news headquarters, I'm Marianne Rafferty.
A "New York Times" report claims the FBI investigated if President Trump was secretly working for Russia. The report says the bureau opened an inquiry after the president fired FBI director James Comey in May of 2017. Former officials close to the inquiry say investigators were concerned the president's behavior might have posed a threat to national security.
And a federal judge in California indicating he will likely block new rules from the Trump administration allowing employers to opt out of contraceptive coverage over religious or moral objections. Judge Haywood Gilliam said the move by the administration could strip birth control coverage from a substantial number of women. He says he will make his ruling before the policy goes into effect on Monday.
I'm Marianne Rafferty. Now back to "The Ingraham Angle."
INGRAHAM: It's time for The Arbiter.
Yes, court is in session, where two attorneys argue a case and then I make a final ruling. And this is a really big gavel. It's bigger than Nancy's.
Joining me now is Gayle Trotter, attorney and spokeswoman for the Judicial Crisis Network, and Debbie Hines, former prosecutor. Thank you both for being here tonight, it's great to have you both on.
This is a really interesting case. Our first case, a Latina sorority at UVA was suspended -- I'm thinking, was it drinking? They were suspended after the school said they were hazing members. Not the alcohol thing, not by beating them, but by requiring the would-be sorority sisters to study for more than 25 hours a week.
The sorority is fighting back, and they launched a federal lawsuit against the university for violating its First Amendment rights. Those are the facts, Gayle. There is an operative state statute which we'll put up on the screen. And in part, it said it shall be unlawful to haze so as to cause bodily injury any student, any college or university. Any person found guilty will be guilty of a class one misdemeanor. And for the purposes of the statute, it includes intentionally endangering the health or safety of a student or students or inflicting bodily injury on a student or students in connection with the purpose of the initiation, it goes on and on, but that is the operative language. So?
GAYLE TROTTER, ATTORNEY: I'm a proud graduate of Mr. Jefferson's University --
INGRAHAM: I am, too, law school, but not undergrad.
TROTTER: And I think that this case is a complete embarrassment to UVA. We are talking about that anti-hazing statute, and it doesn't apply, it is not even close in this case, because it talks about instances where a student organization endangers the health or safety of a student. And for any UVA administrator to say that studying 25 hours a week when you are a college student endangers the health or safety of a student, is just inconceivable. And it's unbelievable that any administrator in this situation would think that. And if so, then they clearly did not study enough when they went to college, or they wouldn't indulge in this rank stupidity.
INGRAHAM: I needed someone to make me study 25 hours a week. Debbie?
DEBBIE HINES, ATTORNEY: OK, so I didn't go to UVA, but I am a proud member of a sorority, of a college sorority. And so what I would say is, although my personal opinions are different, if I were representing UVA is it is kind of a case of 90 percent -- 99 percent versus one percent, so meaning, I think in 99 percent of the cases, there wouldn't be any emotional or mental or any physical harm -- there's obviously not going to be any physical harm as opposed to emotional.
INGRAHAM: Exhaustion?
HINES: No. But I will say that there are students who have emotional or mental issues that are attending college, for which that maybe this requirement would be an endangerment to their well-being. Obviously, for the vast majority of students, it wouldn't be, but the university has an obligation and a duty to protect all of its students, not just the vast majority.
INGRAHAM: Hazing means to recklessly or intentionally endanger the health of these pledges. Rebuttal?
TROTTER: Clearly studying is what you are college to do. And if you were a full-time employed, you would be working at least 40 hours a week, and even if you take into account that you're going to class, if you add that to 25 hours of studying, that is way under --
INGRAHAM: Debbie, your response?
HINES: I'm not saying that it's excessive, and I agree with that. If you're computing it out, it comes out to less than four hours a week. But what I'm saying is there are students who come from high school environments where it's an unstructured environment, and it is unstructured for that reason, that some of them can't cope.
INGRAHAM: So my ruling in this case, and I have to say it is not even close, is for Ms. Trotter. But there could be kids who don't want to study, and for them it's painful. But that's not reckless or intentional infliction of bodily harm on the health and safety. I don't think I'd make that case.
On to the next case, though, it is a fa-la-la lawsuit. A California family is suing Lifetime Network after it used their holiday card in a Christmas movie without permission that an actor in that move put up the picture and made this comment. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please don't put those up, they ruin the whole aesthetic of the place.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think them. They are festive.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're ugly.
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INGRAHAM: Well, and the photo is in the background, I guess you see, it is an ugly picture. What is the deal, Gayle?
TROTTER: If it was your family and a rich, powerful corporation was targeting you in this way, not only do they not have a legal right to have that prominently and conspicuously displayed in their movies, but they also make this disparaging comment about this beautiful family with a mother, a father, a child. And they had no right to include that, and certainly it was disparaging of the family.
INGRAHAM: Debbie, real quick?
HINES: But all of it hinges on whether there is an expectation of privacy. And we've already found out that privacy differs everywhere. So I think that if it was something that was on social media and that's how Lifetime found it, it's not really any expectation of privacy that this family has. So they would just be clear out of luck.
INGRAHAM: Ruling, Debbie wins that one, because I believe that was on one of the social media websites. I think the expectation of privacy diminished. But we need to know more, and they will find out more in the case argument it to, whether it was on Snapfish or Shutterfly, and the operative language of those internal contracts matter. But right now, I give it to Debbie. Great segment, you guys, thanks so much.
Up next, lessons in leadership on the 30th anniversary of Reagan's farewell address form Craig Shirley. He'll be with us. And a California TV reporter who says he was snubbed by CNN because of his honest reporting at the border. That's next.
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INGRAHAM: As President Trump headed to the Texas border yesterday, CNN hoped they would be able to catch him in a lie and prove there isn't a crisis at all. So a San Diego TV stations says CNN reached out for help with their expose. The network was apparently not happy with the reportage that KUSI shared with them. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The sign of the times in the debate on the shutdown, CNN asked if KUSI would provide a report or to offer our local view of the debate, especially to learn if the wall works in San Diego.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: KUSI offered our own Dan Plante who has reported many times that the wall is not an issue here. In fact, most officials believe it is effective. The issue we face is the migrants and the debate over their treatment.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Knowing this, CNN declined to have us on their programs, which often present the wall as not required in other places like the stretch of the Texas border the president visited earlier today. They didn't like what they heard from us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just some background for you.
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INGRAHAM: James Earl Jones needs to get his voice-over back, "This is CNN." Joining me now exclusively, KUSI reporter Dan Plante, who does a great job. Dan, I've seen you reporting for a long time. What can you tell me about the discussion you all had with CNN, and did they explain their sudden lack of interest in working with you?
DAN PLANTE, REPORTER, KUSI NEWS: They actually did a response. And good evening, by the way, how you doing?
INGRAHAM: Great to see you.
PLANTE: From San Diego, America's finest city.
So here's what happened. Every morning in the news department, we talk about what we're going to do for the day, we talk about the local news, we talk about the national news. And the only affiliate we have is a CNN, because we are an independently, family-owned station here in San Diego that likes to tell the truth.
So when they called up and said, hey, we would like one of your reporters to fill in the gaps, we are doing a story about how the border wall really doesn't work and they're not that effective. Well, we got back to them, we said, hey, we would love to do a little talk back with you because I'm the reporter on the border. I've been there for many, many years, as you know, and made friends with a lot of the Border Patrol agents, personal friends at this point. But when we called back and said, look, we'd be more than happy to provide Dan Plante for you, but he is going to tell you what the border patrol agents tell him, and that is that border walls work.
INGRAHAM: You actually interview people. It cuts against the narrative that CNN is putting out there, that the border wall is basically racist, doesn't work, it's a waste of money, no one wants it. It worked at Imperial Beach, San Diego. That whole area changed for the better once that significant barrier went up. But they said today in a response, and I should read it, to be fair here. They said "We called several local stations to book someone for a show. We didn't end up booking any of them." This happens every day, many times a day. "We did, however, "book a reporter from KUSI for a story on immigration and the border wall in November. This is a nonstory. #factsfirst." Quick sum up?
PLANTE: The quick summary is that we were saying things that they didn't want to hear. We were telling them the truth. What we were going to tell them was, hey, these things work, and from our experience here, from being 20 years here in San Diego as a news reporter, covering many, many border stories down there, and talking to the people who work on the border, that the border fences work. And that is not the narrative that they wanted to hear.
INGRAHAM: Thank you for doing your reporting, and frankly, I don't believe CNN's explanation on this at all. It just doesn't.
PLANTE: We just try to tell the truth, Laura. We just try to tell the truth. No agenda here.
INGRAHAM: All right, Dan, thanks so much for being here.
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RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT: I've spoken of the shining city all of my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind, it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here.
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INGRAHAM: President Reagan, wow. Today marks the 30th anniversary of President Reagan's farewell address to the nation, the great communicator. He mentions a few things in that address that our nation and our lawmakers should keep in mind.
Here to explain, great, great biographer of Reagan Craig Shirley, presidential historian, of course, biographer extraordinaire. Craig, hearing the president speak of walls, and how if it has to have a wall, it has to have a big door -- so many people have seized on that part of his farewell address and said see, Reagan would be for mass migration and would be against what Trump is doing. He didn't really like the idea of a wall. What about that?
CRAIG SHIRLEY, BESTSELLING REAGAN BIOGRAPHER: You know, Laura, there are some things that are moral impossibilities. And the idea that Ronald Reagan would endorse lawlessness is one of those things. It's a moral impossibility.
When he was talking about those walls, he was talking about that city, that was 30 years ago. He was referring to people who were fleeing communist oppression in southeast Asia and Cuba and Nicaragua and El Salvador. Many of the people who were coming here, those were political refugees who are quite different from economic refugees that are crossing the border every day. So you are comparing oranges and lemons here. The refugees of the 1980s are not the --
INGRAHAM: Different from the economic refugees of today, it is a completely different dynamic and different world.
SHIRLEY: Sure.
INGRAHAM: Craig, he talked in this speech a lot about young people and the need to educate young people. Let's watch.
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REAGAN: Taught very directly what it means to be an American. And we absorbed almost in the air a love of country. Younger parents aren't sure that an unambivalent appreciation of America is the right thing to teach modern children. We have got to teach history based not on what is in fashion, but what's important. Why the pilgrims came here, who Jimmy Doolittle was, and what those 30 seconds over Tokyo meant. If we forget what we did, we won't know who we are.
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INGRAHAM: Oh, my gosh, Craig, when I hear that, what would he have thought about tearing down statues, calling the framers racist, all the things you hear kids mouth coming out of public schools and universities today? You can close it out.
SHIRLEY: He would have been appalled at this tearing down of statues and the ignorance that's so widespread in public schools today. Reagan, part of Reagan's appeal, a lot of his appeal was that he spoke to young Americans, he spoke about opportunity, he spoke about the future. When he was reelected in 1984, he got 59 percent of the overall vote, but he got 65 percent of the under 30 vote. When he left office in 1989, January of '89, his overall approval was 69 percent. Among those under 30, it was 77 percent among voters under 30.
Some of his most important policy speeches were given on American college campuses in Eureka, in Notre Dame, George Washington University and others. So he was the last president since John Kennedy who could go onto American college campuses without fear of protest or reprisals.
INGRAHAM: Barack Obama didn't have much trouble on college campuses, but certainly the last Republican president. George Bush could go.
SHIRLEY: That's true, yes, last Republican. But we are talking about Reagan tonight. Obama is an exception, but we are talking about Reagan tonight, yes.
INGRAHAM: Craig, it is a day that I remember very well. And we are both of the Reagan revolution generation, and I like how he said at the end, all in all, not bad. Basically, we did a pretty good job. Always underselling himself and what was accomplished, and humility was such a big part of who Reagan was. And I think we can all use a dose of humility, myself included. So thank you so much for joining us tonight, brief, but on the podcast next week, you can hear an extended analysis of why that speech was so important on what it says about today's politics.
And coming up, the House Democrats latest smelly stunt. That's next.
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INGRAHAM: It's time for the Last Bite. House Democrats apparently have nothing better to do than stage political stands. This time they delivered trash from national parks to the White House.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we need is for President Trump to wake up and smell the coffee cups and the diapers and the burrito wrappers and the trash that is piling up, and soon we'll have enough of it to build a wall, perhaps.
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INGRAHAM: It's good to see that the Democrats are getting creative about building the wall and have finally found gainful employment. Maybe they can help out the custodial staff at the capital during the shutdown.
That's all the time we have tonight.
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