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The leader of a southern Michigan militia says in a conversation secretly recorded by an undercover informant that he would kill police officers and their family members as part of a prelude to a larger war against the government.

The tape of Hutaree (hoo-TAR'-ee) leader David Stone was played Thursday in U.S. District Court in Detroit. He's one of seven militia members from Michigan, Indiana and Ohio charged with conspiring to commit sedition, or rebellion.

Stone said on the tape that after killing officers he would go to their homes and burn them down.

He said, "if I kill their wives and children inside, then so be it."

Defense lawyers have said Stone and his associates were all talk and no action.