FBI Director Comey defends handling of Clinton email probe

Instead of dwelling on the past, maybe it's time to find someone better?


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 3, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hey I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Jesse Watters, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

So, Lordy, has this been painful.


JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: Lordy, has this been painful? I've gotten all kinds of rocks thrown at me and this has been really hard. But I think I've done the right thing at each turn.


GUTFELD: So, here's the big news from today's Senate hearings on FBI oversight: Hillary still lost. I know four months in, Trump is still here and she is riding the rails like a carefree hobo seeking friendly faces and friendlier paychecks.

So Democrats, it's time. You've got to move on. Now, I get it when a relationship ends, you get dumped and you still want to talk about it with your ex and everything is weird and you end up demanding your Clash records back and the sweatshirt you bought at Epcot Center.

But instead of dwelling in the past, maybe it's time to let go of the old mistakes: the identity politics, the gender warfare, the whining. And believe me with Hillary, there is better fish in the sea and none of their names end in Clinton.

As for James Comey, he appeased no one. Remember the press conference where he said Hillary won't be charged over her server? The right was ticked. Then we told Congress that he had reopened the email probe just days before the election, the left was steamed. He's been a fair parent in that he has spanked all of us. Besides, blame him all you want for President Trump, he didn't tell Hillary to say this:


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I having said all this, why aren't I 50 points ahead you might ask? Well, the choice for working families has never been clearer. I need your help to get Donald Trump's record out to everybody. Nobody should be fooled.


GUTFELD: Nobody was. That's why she lost. Who would vote for that kind of arrogant entitlement? Trump worked for the job, she simply expected it.

So, Comey turned out to be on no one's side. Hillary, she was only on her side. Remember that shirt, "I'm With Her"? Democrats, it's time to take it off.

I just want to throw to this tape, this is Comey kind of defending why he reopened the email probe just days before the election. Roll it.


COMEY: Somehow her emails are being forwarded to Anthony Weiner including classified information by her assistant Huma Abedin. And so, they found thousands of new emails and then called me Saturday night before the election and said, thanks to the wizardry of our technology. We've only had to personally read, 6,000, we think we can finish tomorrow morning, Sunday.

And so I met with them. And they said, we found a lot of new stuff. If we did not find anything that changes our view of her intent. So, we were in the same place we were in July it hasn't changed our view. And I asked them lots of questions and I said, okay, if that's where you are then I also have to tell Congress that we are done. Look, this is terrible it makes me mildly nauseous to think that we might have had some impact on the election. But honestly, it wouldn't change the decision.


GUTFELD: Dana, you know it makes me mildly nauseous?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I have a feeling.

GUTFELD: Jesse Watters and Bob Beckel eating shrimp in the green room before the show. We can't even concentrate on this topic because half of us want to throw up.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: It's like I could still smell it.

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: You never paid me back.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: You said it was on you, I appreciate that. But let these whiners whine. By the way, the FBI director is the greatest whiner I've ever seen.

PERINO: Show of hands for everybody on the crew who thought that was disgusting?

GUTFELD: Everybody thought that was disgusting.

PERINO: You can't bring fish into a common work area.

WATTERS: It wasn't like flounder, okay, or shrimp cocktail.

PERINO: It still smell like fish.

GUTFELD: Speaking of shrimp, Kimberly, the Dems keep trying to change the outcome but they can't.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. They can't. So, they has sent the magic one to go back and get a do-over, get a mulligan like they were playing at Mar-A-Lago but they can't. They had a bad candidate, they didn't campaign well, that video still frightens me when I see Hillary Clinton it's like very frightening. And the problem is they're looking for a scapegoat and Hillary wants to blame everybody but herself and now she's saying as we saw yesterday on the tape, she's part of the resistance, she wants to like hang with the cool kids and be one of the protesters and try to get some like street credit back with the liberals.

Now, if they get on that horse again and try to write it, bad news, it's not going to work. And if they try and go with Chelsea Clinton further bad news. The problem is no one really even understands what side Comey was playing for because the whole thing was such a mess and then he doubled down on it today. I think clearly though to me when I listen to this, I don't think he should be in the position he's in.

GUTFELD: I would take Roger Clinton over Chelsea Clinton, and that says something, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that is entertainment.

GUTFELD: Yes. That is for sure. Bob, Hillary keeps blaming that letter to Congress for a lot, even you must be tired of that.

BECKEL: Yes. I hadn't seen that clip of her before that scared the hell out of me.

PERINO: Play it.


GUTFELD: Yes. They play it at CNN.


GUILFOYLE: Just don't lose or shrimp over it.

BECKEL: By the way, I really take exception to the shrimp. And I don't care but that's not the point we have a right to eat and that was good shrimp from across the street, very expensive. Jesse paid and you are whining about it. I mean, why don't you just let it go?

PERINO: To tell you, America is with me on this.

WATTERS: No, it did not smell bad, you guys are pansies. It didn't smell like anything in there. Shrimp does not smell like --

PERINO: No, if you are eating it, it doesn't, you can't smell it.

BECKEL: Well you know what you could do, you can walk across the room to that veggie bar and he did that.

GUTFELD: This discussion is imploding, all right, let's talk about Comey, Jesse. How did he do?

WATTERS: Speaking of imploding. I mean, I thought the guy was kind of a fraud from the jump when he didn't indict her, anybody but Hillary would have been indicted. But then he comes back in the fall and he opens it up and he says, you know, do we conceal or do we reveal? I think he made the right call but Hillary should be thanking this guy. She could have been in prison after the gross negligence.

PERINO: -- instead she just lost the presidency.

WATTERS: Instead she just lost the presidency. So, I don't know. I mean, I think it was just like, you know, one of these things everybody goes up there and has to take it on the chin but why are we even talking about this? I mean, who cares? I thought we were talking about Russia. Do you want to talk about Russia?

BECKEL: Yes. Or shrimp.

WATTERS: Or shrimp. I'm still upset by that. I can't get over.

PERINO: So am I.

GUTFELD: Well, about what, Dana?

PERINO: I actually meant, I meant about one thing.

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes. Let Dana talk.

PERINO: We'll talk about Huma.

GUTFELD: Okay. Well, talk about Huma.

PERINO: So, Huma Abedin, so she is the one who was forwarding these classified emails to her husband's computers.


PERINO: These are the emails that Comey said that they comb through and they found some new stuff. What really makes me mad about that is, if you are a government employee, you have an obligation to follow the rules. That goes for Hillary Clinton as well. Here's Huma Abedin, she's doing this and saying, oh, I didn't know I was doing anything wrong --


PERINO: That is baloney.

GUTFELD: Watch your mouth.

PERINO: Baloney is better than fish. She also at the same time had the opportunity to get top pay for government and she got a special dispensation from Hillary Clinton in order to work for Teneo which is ran by -- that was the whole Clinton Global Initiative.


PERINO: So, she's taken an extra $300,000 while everybody else that works for the government does not have that. Now she's trying to shop a $2 million book deal for what?

GUTFELD: I know.

PERINO: What is she going to tell us? That's actually infuriating.

GUTFELD: You know, I've never seen her this mad.

BECKEL: She's not going to buy jasper, that's for sure. But, you know, if anybody thinks for a minute that Comey whose side was he on? He knew that as soon as he did this and he caused that when he said, yes, we're not going to indict her but she's a bum, can't handle anything --

WATTERS: Reckless.

BECKEL: Reckless. He wasn't going to be the director of the FBI if she got elected.


BECKEL: So, I have no doubt in my mind she was working for Trump. And I have no doubt in my mind that that letter did affect this campaign.

PERINO: Well, also, she's the one who put them in this position even having to investigate it in the first place. It's not his fault that he was presented with all of these problems.

BECKEL: Dana, it's her fault. She shouldn't have done anything.


PERINO: Yes. We're going to have to wait until the DOJ --

BECKEL: She shouldn't have done anything. She shouldn't have called that press conference and say that, you know, like she --

GUTFELD: He had to call the press conference because Loretta Lynch could not be the one to make the announcement because she just had a conversation on the tarmac with Bill.

BECKEL: Yes. If they don't make those announcements every day.

PERINO: No, I thought that was very unusual.

WATTERS: He needed to make an announcement like that because she was running for president.

PERINO: The Democrats should be mad at him for not indicting her, because if he had indicted her, then the Democrats could have said, oh, let's get Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders or whoever and slide somebody else in there so they would have had a chance to win.

WATTERS: They could have helped Trump because Trump ran against this system is rigged and this proved that the system is rigged and that helped him in the general.


BECKEL: Sorry.

WATTERS: Kimberly?

BECKEL: Kimberly, you should get up here.

GUILFOYLE: This is awesome, awesome. So, bottom-line is, we're not going to know whether Comey or his staff misled the American people or misled Congress until we have a full report from the DOJ or from the inspector general to know what they knew at the time and when they decided and why to release it. And we have his testimony which hopefully for him he better hope that it's consistent with his actions and his decisions that he made at the time because this is all going to come out and I think it's a problem for him.

BECKEL: What would he be subject to if it came out publicly?

GUILFOYLE: Well, if he lied to Congress --

PERINO: It's a felony.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. It's a felony if he made inconsistent statements and you'd have to think -- and here, well, we just felt it was still, you know, inconsistent with her intent, we didn't think it was anything, playing games with American politics. And that to me is very inappropriate, it's not the role of the FBI. I have a problem with what he did from the beginning when he made the statement, he said, no intents here. That's not your job, Comey.

You don't decide whether the file or case you presented to the lawyers, they make the decisions to charge or not. And they determine about intent, not you. You're supposed to investigate and put the report forward, but he wants to be everything, he wants to be the judge, the jury, the decider, Congress and determine who was the president. Totally out of line.

GUTFELD: I got to hear some prominent liberals, they still exists, talking about Hillary knocking her basically for blaming others.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jim Comey didn't tell her not to campaign in Wisconsin after the convention. Jim Comey didn't say, don't put any resources into Michigan until the final week of the campaign. It takes a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump. Let me tell you. He was the least popular presidential candidate to win in the history of polling. And so, it wasn't just the Comey letter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was not a perfect campaign but no mention of her failure to go to Wisconsin to campaign earlier in Michigan, connect with rustbelt voters in Pennsylvania, all blue states that went for Donald Trump, or why the first female nominee could not win a majority of white college-educated women.


GUTFELD: Kind of amazing, huh, they are turning on her.

WATTERS: They are. I mean, when your enemies tell you to get off the stage, you fight. But when your friends tell you it's really time to go. The Clinton machine to me is like a fax machine, it hasn't been useful since the 90s. Think about it, Hillary Clinton's machine lost to Obama, then they lost to Trump, they have a terrible polling operation, no turnout. They can't raise money from small donors. And the worst thing in politics besides being a loser is being sore loser. Gore went out with more dignity and he lost by this much.

BECKEL: Uh-hm.

WATTERS: So, I think it's time for her to go back into the woods.

BECKEL: You know, what's interesting to hear is from Democrats, those who are going to run for the presidency are going to be on her case nonstop. Because that will be an issue, get out and vote and get out of the way. But Bill Clinton on the other hand is still to this day besides Barack Obama may be is the best campaigner in American politics.

WATTERS: He didn't look so great to the end of that campaign.

BECKEL: Well, he knew he is going to lose.

PERINO: But they also didn't listen to him. He was the one who said, you've got to go to Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. Got to do this.

GUILFOYLE: He was back in bad candidates.


BECKEL: Yes. Greg, can I explain to you why Dana is so whatever the word is tonight?

PERINO: What is the word?

BECKEL: She goes to sleep at 9:45.

GUTFELD: Yes. I know.

PERINO: I am actually doing quite well --

GUTFELD: I know, when you get into that state of over tiredness --

GUTFELD: No, you ate shrimp in the green room. It is unforgiving, people at home know this. At work, when somebody puts seafood in the microwave, what do you do, you can't use the microwave.

WATTERS: This was not microwave, this is a shrimp cocktail from across the street. And the greenroom is not a small pot, enormous --

BECKEL: If you're lucky the two of us it didn't use that word is shrimp about the two of you.

GUTFELD: Yes. You know what, it turned everybody green.


GUTFELD: We've got some breaking health care news next. Republicans are going to try once again to repeal ObamaCare tomorrow. Details on that.

Plus, the White House issued a response today to Jimmy Kimmel, we'll hear that when "The Five" returns.


GUILFOYLE: This is a FOX News alert, some late breaking news from Capitol Hill. The House tomorrow will hold a vote on a Republican health care bill that would repeal and replace key parts of ObamaCare. Republican leaders are saying they finally have the votes to make good on one of President Trump's biggest campaign pledges, more on that in a moment.

Earlier on this week, late-night host Jimmy Kimmel brought health care to the forefront after revealing his new baby was born with a heart condition that required emergency surgery.


JIMMY KIMMEL, STAND-UP COMEDIAN: Before 2014 if you were born with congenital heart disease like my son was, there's a good chance he would never be able to get health insurance because you had a pre-existing condition, you were born with a pre-existing condition. If your parents didn't have medical insurance, you might not live long enough to even get denied because of a pre-existing condition. So, if your baby is going to die and it doesn't have to, it shouldn't matter how much money you make. I think that's something whether you're a Republican or a Democrat or something else we all agree on that. Right? I mean, we do --


GUILFOYLE: Well, the story generated a massive emotional reaction as you can imagine with nearly 20 million views on Facebook. Here is how the White House responded today.


SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think we share that concern for his Jim Kimmel's child as well as any child that needs care. And that's frankly why the President fought so hard to improve the bill like he did this morning to make sure that there was that extra layer for protection for anybody with a pre-existing condition no matter their stage in life. That's why we're fighting so hard for this.


GUILFOYLE: So, Dana, a mother and a parent, you know, my heart goes out to him and through his family because, you know, when you have a child and there's something wrong with him, all you want in the world is for them to be okay. You rather they be with you. So, and you could see the genuine emotion in his face and his eyes because of his concern.

PERINO: And I don't think anyone disagrees with that, what I find very interesting about this is that it's the storytelling. So, the 20 million views that everybody is talking about it and they get the conversation going and I do think that that's been one of the things that has been missing and the efforts to get to a point where the House can pass the bill tomorrow. And I think they will be able to pass the bill but I still think that they have not been able to do enough of the storytelling because there's another part of this.

And that is the stories of the people whose insurance premiums have skyrocketed or their deductibles have skyrocketed or you might be caught in the middle where you don't quite make enough money to -- maybe don't have enough job where you get employer insurance, you make a little bit too much. You get the subsidies so then you're caught in the middle. And so, America wants to be compassionate they want to have good care, they want all of these things. And I think that if Republicans were better at storytelling on some of these things and making it personal, that's actually how you can help draw on emotion.

And President Trump was excellent at this during the campaign and on other issues where he has made the story the issue. And remember when he decided to do the attacks in Syria with the Tomahawk missiles and to fight back and he talked about the story. He made it personal and what it meant to him and about the children. And so, you can do that, you can be a Republican and actually tell a story as well. I'm not saying a play on people's emotions but use anecdotes to help advance your political agenda that will help give people comfort about the bill that you are going to pass tomorrow.

I just want to say one other thing. I think about tomorrow. The thing that I'm concerned about, I'm glad they got the votes, I think. But they don't have a lot of the details. And I think that they are open to some criticism because they don't have a Congressional Budget Office for it. They don't know how much it's going to cost or how many people might be uninsured. This was the problem with the bill last time. So, now they don't have it at all and I think they are vulnerable to that exact criticism.

GUILFOYLE: Okay. I mean, fair analysis. Jesse.

WATTERS: I mean, I thought it was great point I was very moved by what he said out there. I am a parent of twins. They were both in the NICU unit when they were born. One was in for one week. Ellie, my one daughter was in for two weeks, there she is right there on the screen. And we found out she had a little bit of a heart murmur and, you know, it took her to a cardiologist when she was young, and she's fine, she's healthy now, she's five years old and she's doing great. There she is right there.

So, you know, when you hear a story like this, everything you just said was true if you use emotion and storytelling from real people, you can sell ObamaCare. If Republicans keep on talking about numbers and costs. That's not going to do it. And what they need to do is take some stories but then pivot and say, this is what our new plan will do for these people. And if you want to bring prices down, use competition. Because he's a businessman and he can sell competition.


WATTERS: So, through competition and he's a passionate guy, he wants everyone covered. He's more liberal on health care than most Republicans, you can bring down costs and keep everybody covered. But they are painted into this corner like they are these cruel scrooges and the Democrats are Santa Claus and they always lose the debate.

GUILFOYLE: Right. So, Bob, you agree with Dana and Jesse. I mean, this is obviously important to everybody else, all families and people can relate to that if we've had an illness, but it's about connecting the dots, to be able to put it together to make people understand.

BECKEL: Absolutely. You know, having done lots of campaigns against Republicans, it's always amazing to me how Democrats can tell stories, some of which are not accurate.


BECKEL: But they are emotional and the Republicans do stick to some sort of script about them. So, before you say that they really are, care about everybody, you know what this bill does? It eliminates Obama taxes on the wealthy and insurers, higher premiums for people 50 and 60, it would allow states to elect some key ObamaCare projections for pre-existing conditions. Now, I'll tell you, you can go on and on and on, it's everything Trump said at the opposite of, this bill is so dead when it gets to the Senate, they gave away so much to try to get these votes. And I think they'll have the votes. But you can have the votes when you enough --

WATTERS: Can I remind everybody what ObamaCare did? Because we're in a mess right now because of what the Democrats did. They re-work a sixth of the economy, and spent a trillion dollars to help out seven percent of the population that actually uses these exchanges, and what happened? Premiums skyrocketed, deductibles skyrocketed, the insurance companies scaled out and now everybody is left holding the bag and they're in-charge the other Republicans of saving you guys. You could be saying, well, thank you --

BECKEL: You know, you are young, I don't think you are that young, the reason I had ObamaCare was because insurance premiums were going up and everybody agreed with health care reform.

WATTERS: And they said premiums are going to go down and then they want up.

BECKEL: You don't think they would go up under this?

WATTERS: No, I don't.

BECKEL: Oh, come on!

WATTERS: If they stick the right plan, they're not going to.

GUILFOYLE: Okay, I'd like to get Greg in. Greg, have you recovered?

GUTFELD: Yes. I don't know where to begin. I don't know. I just have issues with emotional stories especially when the conclusion is that if you disagree with him, you don't want his baby to live. I mean, that is the kind of the conclusion. And so, when we sit here and we love these emotional stories which was done for a political reason -- it isn't entirely fair, we don't need emotional stories. We need to break down what ObamaCare is and breakdown health care into a very simple language.

You could say, oh, numbers are so complicated but we all can't pay the same because then it would be too much. How simple is that? You need a plan that helps big stuff. Catastrophic stuff while you pay for the little things, how difficult is that? You need to break this down into very, very plain steps. And then you start there and then you introduce competition and then it's done.

Catastrophic health care is a given and then you pay for the doctor's visits. A25-year-old should not be paying a huge, huge premium when a 75- year-old is going to be treating a head cold. So, you have to separate this. How complicated is that? You do not need emotional stories. You actually need a thought processes. And I don't know, I don't have the statistics in front of me that says, that what happened would have been treated or untreated. I don't know.

BECKEL: You know, Greg, you should be the closing speaker tomorrow on that House debate, give that same speech and it will pass, that was very well done.

GUTFELD: I can tell if you're being sarcastic.

BECKEL: No, I am not being sarcastic. It was good.


GUILFOYLE: All right. It's been interesting, right? You just never know what's going to happen next. But President Trump is scheduled to sign a bold new executive order that protects religious liberties tomorrow. But liberals are already objecting, we're going to tell you why when "The Five" returns.


PERINO: President Donald Trump is schedule to sign an executive order tomorrow morning that protects the religious liberties of all Americans will fill in a key campaign promise he made.


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Religious freedom, the right of people, of faith, to freely practice their faith, so important. A Trump administration, our Christian heritage will be cherished, protected, defended like you've never seen before. That includes religious liberty, remember. Remember. We are going to defend religious liberty which is under siege, under siege.



PERINO: President Donald Trump is scheduled to sign an executive order tomorrow morning to protect the religious liberties of all Americans fulfilling a key campaign promise he made.


TRUMP: Religious freedom, the right of people of faith to freely practice their faith, so important. A Trump administration, our Christian heritage will be cherished, protected, defended like you've never seen before.

That includes religious liberty, remember -- remember. We are going to defend religious liberty which is under siege, under siege.


PERINO: But the proposal is already causing controversy. The ACLU is preemptively threatening legal action saying, "If President Trump signs an executive order that attempts to provide a license to discriminate against women or LGBT people we will see him in court." Alright, Kimberly, this is happening tomorrow on National Prayer Day, as you saw President Trump talked about this a lot during the campaign.

The White House has just given us some background. They do not believe it in any way discriminates and they are saying that they are definitely going to fulfill this campaign promise that President Trump made to pray to

GUILFOYLE: Well, and they should because they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because the ACLU is threatening legal action. I mean, this is, you know, that's what they do. They'll find a case, they'll find some way in particular that is a good plaintiff to bring forward to try to defeat it. But when you look at actually what the poll numbers are on this, 65 percent of adults nationwide believe that freedom of religion should be protected even if it goes against government laws.

So, this was something that really resonated with President Trump's supporters, you know, during the campaign and he was also able to in terms of some of the single issue voters. They really wanted to put him in one for Supreme Court justice pick, (INAUDIBLE) Neil Gorsuch, and this is sort of the other half of it which was honoring religious freedom and liberty.

So, he has to do it. I think the timing is good and he's being a man of his word and following through on his campaign promises.

PERINO: Bob, they also said that they are going to direct the IRS to alleviate the burden of the Johnson Amendment, which basically was to tell churches and places of religious organizations that you cannot preach from the pulpit any sort of politics, what do you think of that? Because the IRS said they really enforce that.

BECKEL: Yes, they don't but you know, anybody thinks this is anything but a political act on his part. He didn't know what the Christian right was until he got them reading the speeches, but having said that, let's see what this law will do.

If you receive federal funds, you know who you are. They're contracting for schools. If a school that is a private school but receives federal money say through Title IX, if they don't want a teacher in their school who's gay, they can turn them away.

PERINO: Well, I don't think that's what they're doing tomorrow.

BECKEL: That's exactly what they can do under this.

PERINO: No, but I think we need to look at the document because they're very specific on the conscience clause issues, which is basically remember the Hobby Lobby case, Jesse.


PERINO: And then there's also this issue I think that they're going to ask the agencies to think seriously and thoughtfully about a very complex issue on LGBT.


WATTERS: It's nice to have a president in the White House that respects religion. I mean, you had a guy before who was in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years.

BECKEL: Oh, come on.

WATTERS: Who tells Christians to get off their high horses, who said people cling to their guns and their religion and told everybody to go, you know, in a church, they were gagged from saying anything and they had to provide health care and birth control to nuns. I mean that's crazy.

And now they're going to act like this guy is the pope who is signing this, he's not a devout Christian president. I mean, everybody knows that, and he's doing this because he believes in the constitution.

BECKEL: Hey, let me tell you something Pope Watters if I could.


BECKEL: Mr. Pope, and you left your ring home tonight. The idea that somehow that other people didn't care about --

WATTERS: There's the ring right there (INAUDIBLE)

GUILFOYLE: Yes, the puzzle (ph) ring.

BECKEL: What did you just say?

PERINO: Let me get Greg in here because the whole point about liberty and being able to -- basically they let the government -- get the government out of the --

GUTFELD: Yes, be careful what you wish for is what I say. What if the religion part of the practice is to forbid certain medical procedures that save lives or maybe the religion forbids women driving or maybe the religion promotes female genital mutilation, or maybe it's Sharia Law that might be introduced, which is a political religious movement.

Is the ACLU upset about that or are they upset about Christians? That's where I find the interesting hypocrisy. So I think they are worried about certain things that have made the news under Christianity. The bakers that will bake, but they don't -- I haven't heard enough outrage over these other elements that could be introduced and have been introduced recently in the media.

WATTERS: My religion says I have to eat shrimp on Wednesday. I mean, hopefully that is still protected.

GUTFELD: Shrimp Wednesdays, that's not in the bible.

BECKEL: We actually ate less than we were supposed to eat because you --

WATTERS: You're discriminating against us.

BECKEL: There is stuff about shellfish in the bible, right.

PERINO: There is, absolutely. When this comes up tomorrow, we'll have Kimberly Guilfoyle here who can explain to us what it means legally. So, until then.

GUTFELD: I like talking about stuff we don't know about.

PERINO: We do know about this. We had a great --

WATTERS: How do you think Bob --

BECKEL: I thought I was --


GUILFOYLE: Thank goodness I'm here, Greg.

BECKEL: Excuse me. Excuse me, Pope Jesse.

PERINO: Then what am I? Chopped liver?

BECKEL: You're chopped liver.

PERINO: All right, big time in-fighting on the left. Some liberals are saying the Democratic Party is too close minded. We'll have the full story, up ahead.


BECKEL: A big day here by the way. I usually get the fifth segment, today I've got the fourth.

PERINO: Good job.

BECKEL: Democrats focused on turning out high numbers of minority voters to the polls during the presidential election but that strategy failed to get Hillary Clinton into the White House. And now some liberals like Bill Maher are saying this kind of identity politics is actually hurting the Democratic Party.


BILL MAHER, HBO REAL TIME HOST: This is again one of the problems the Democrats have, is that they obsess about things like Halloween costumes and the name of the Washington Redskins and there are millions of people in this country who are saying, how about a little bit more of I'm going to get your job back. That's why they listen to a con man.


BECKEL: You know, let me just say if the odds here, I'm going to anger my Democratic friends who are already mad at me about this, but identity politics has sunk in because we continue to say where the party of labor, women, minorities, and you know, LGBT or whatever it is and -- I gave a speech to Democrats (INAUDIBLE) and we've got to stop doing that and get back to where we were built, which is helping people who are working people, and they don't identify with that.

They don't identify Democrats with that and the idea that Republicans would get anybody who's a working person to vote for them is amazing to me but the Democrats deserve a lot of the responsibility.

PERINO: Do you think they know that?


WATTERS: Bill Maher is trying to tell me he's trying to get my little wake up call.

GUTFELD: A little late though, I mean, it's like they always shows up to the party after the keg's empty. We've been talking about these stories on "The Five" for five years.


GUTFELD: And ever before that (inaudible), the Halloween costume stories, the sports names, the canceled speeches, if you watch "The Five," if you watch Fox, these stories were our bread and butter and now he's finding out. You know how you know your religion which is identity politics is toxic? It's when you can't tell the difference between the real story and the parody.

Like when you speak it might be an onion story, it might be a joke. But then you find out its actually real that somebody believes this and somebody says if you serve tacos at a party, that's cultural appropriation. All of the stories in the last five years feel like they were fake but they were real.

BECKEL: Kimberly, you like tacos. I know that so, I do too. What do you think of this whole thin, identity politics?


GUILFOYLE: Bob, what don't you --

BECKEL: I had to get it -- interject. That's what you do. You sit and learn here.


WATTERS: I'm going to learn it, this master --

BECKEL: Let me just say this, boy, if you just sit there and --

PERINO: Bob, you called on Kimberly. Let her finish.



GUILFOYLE: OK, so I think that he's obviously -- he's making a good point and we found ourselves now several time this week agreeing with Bill Maher raising this issue, but nevertheless, of course we're consistent because this is something that we've been talking about for a long time.

The reason I think -- one of the reasons that President Trump was able to prevail in such a large way with such magnitude is because people are actually tired of this saturation of identity politics, the obsession on issues that actually should matter. What about creating jobs? What about getting the economy going again, what about proper health care that is competitive that doesn't leave Americans behind and only covers 7 percent.

That's what people want to talk about, real issues instead of these type of things that are just limiting. We focus on college campuses where people want to save space, everybody is crying in their pillow, someone's upset if someone wrote Trump, you know, with chalk on the sidewalk. It's pathetic.

Who is going to be running the country when you have these people that are given complete, false narrative about how real life is and they're completely, emotionally and psychologically ill-equipped to lead or have a job.

BECKEL: And I want to get Dana in here. The Democrats for years was a party of the working person they said. Now they've -- we've lost a lot of that. Do you think they can get it back?

PERINO: Well it's in their own data that this is true, right. So, "The Washington Post" was able to look at some of the focus groups and they found that a large percentage of the Democrats were saying that the economic opportunity message from the Republicans was much more persuasive. And that they also believe that -- last week it showed that Americans think Democrats are more out of touch than the GOP or Trump. So, it's in their own data so they might as well listen to it.

WATTERS: I think when the Democrats started marching against the police, they started marching against warm weather. They started marching for transgender bathrooms and elementary schools and for sanctuary cities, and then you have a terrorist attack and the Democrats are saying I want to put the rights of Syrian refugees above the rights of American veterans. I think the rest of the country looks at them like, you guys are crazy.

BECKEL: Do you not rather go to a transgender bathroom than (INAUDIBLE), that's OK. No problem. Ahead, some Democrats, very smart on college campuses said they don't want to live near conservatives because they don't want to get sick. Will tell you all about that and what we think about it, next.


WATTERS: As a loyal viewer of the "The Five" you know all about intolerance on the left on college campuses, and now there is some new data to back that up. A new survey of Dartmouth College students reveals that 69 percent of campus Republicans and 61 percent of campus independents said they would be comfortable with a roommate of opposing political views. That's pretty open-minded.

But, for the Democrats, well, just 39 percent said they'd be OK living with a conservative -- not so open-minded. Now Bob, if you were my roommate, I mean, I wouldn't really want to leave with not because you're liberal --

GUILFOYLE: The odd couple.

WATTERS: -- but because probably you're like a total mess.

GUILFOYLE: You guys are the odd (ph) couple.

WATTERS: What was your roommate like in college?

BECKEL: He was bisexual.


BECKEL: Listen, I think this whole thing is it is very political and I would not want to room with an arch conservative like you because I'd get - -

WATTERS: An archconservative.

BECKEL: Yes. Well that's what you are.

WATTERS: What does that mean?

BECKEL: An arch conservative is an idiot.


BECKEL: But I'll tell you this, probably back when they had communal bathrooms in colleges for both men and women, I missed it regrettably but that started the debate.

WATTERS: OK, that's a great history lesson. Kimberly, if your roommate --

GUILFOYLE: Terrifying sharing a bathroom with Bob.

WATTERS: -- was feeling the burn, would you have a problem with that?

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean?

WATTERS: You know, the Bernie Sanders person, you know.

GUILFIYLE: Oh, my friend Ann feels the burn and I travel with here and hang out with here.

WATTERS: So it's not a problem.

PERINO: She's fun.

GUILFOYLE: I guess she's very smart. She's an attorney. And yes, she's the president of -- I won't say. She was a big Bernie Sanders fan.

WATTERS: OK, and you guys still remains friends.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

WATTERS: OK. Is that --

BECKEL: That's your phone.

WATTERS: It's like a weather alert. Greg --

GULFOYLE: No, that's bob.

WATTERS: That's Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Of course it is.

WATTERS: Of course it's Bob.

BECKEL: I'm sorry.

WATTERS: Greg, so you have a roommate --


WATTERS: Are you getting into a arguments after too many drinks with your roommate? Are you guys going to be able to put that to bed?

GUTFELD: When you're talking about roommates, the people who have roommates are generally younger and you usually need a roommate who can pay and it's somebody that --

WATTERS: Fellow Republican.

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying, it shouldn't matter if the person can pay, if they have a job, if they're clean, hard-working and respectable. I've been on the planet for five decades, the worst roommate I ever had was a Republican who trashed the place and never paid. He was the biggest jerk on the planet. He might be watching right now, Alex, but my point is this. I lived with liberals, I've lived with Republicans --


GUTFELD: -- most of the time it just doesn't matter. It has to do with how a person was raised -- how a person was raised.

GUILFOYLE: I married them too. It's fine. We have diversity.

BECKEL: Yes, you married, that's why you were the young first lady of San Francisco. Do you march in Gay Pride Parade?

GUTFELD: What is your fixation today in orientation?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know.

BECKEL: No, it's not -- we've been talking a lot of these orientations and this shows where --


BECKEL: -- things.

WATTERS: Have you ever had a roommate, Dana, or did you lived so well?

PERINO: No, I had roommates. And this is what I would say to the colleges that are even asking this questions, you don't get a choice, OK. They're coming to school and you're going to live in the house in the residence hall. You don't get to choose. You don't get a litmus test on who you like or who your roommate is going to be.

You're not going to get to choose when you go to the office if your officemate is liberal or Republican unless you are here, I guess where we kind of have a choice, but this feel like --

WATTERS: I sit next to Beckel.

PERINO: -- if you want to teach kids how to get along in the world, don't even allow this question to be asked, don't entertain it.

GUILFOYLE: They match you up on housing profiles with your background.


WATTERS: Describing? You're really dating yourself, Bob. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUTFELD: Alright, time for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off.I have my podcast, it's at I interviewed Dr. Marc Siegel over the moral and political implications of pain and the use of opioids. It's going to be good because I asked the questions that people are scared to answer.

WATTERS: You get paid more for the podcast?

GUTFELD: Yes, I get $16 million of shot. Alright, it's time for this. "I Hate These People." Alright, this is my second food one of the week because I'm getting very angry. I get a lot of delivery food, a lot of take-out food because I'm in between apartments because my apartment got flooded.


GUTFELD: It's a bit insulting when you order take-out food for yourself and they give you extra sets of utensils. The implication is that there are two or three people eating and not just me.


GUILFOYLE: You know why? This is a spinoff of your appetizer complaint.

BECKEL: That was really great, Greg. We could have ordered you some shrimp.

PERINO: Great ways for the environment.

GUTFELD: Yes. It's just wrong, don't do it again, OK. It's just me, I'm alone, for now anyway. Alright KG.

GUILFOYLE: OK, and tomorrow we can have shrimp for five because you've done it. Yes, Lenny from L & B Spumoni Gardens is sending us, from Brooklyn, shrimp and pizza tomorrow so get ready to be tantalized.

GUTFELD: Shrimp and pizza.

GUILFOYLE: OK, on a serious note please, time for "Honoring Heroes." This is a really wonderful story of giving back. A veteran paratrooper who hasn't seen his Army friend in 16 years stepped forward last week to save a guy after seeing a Facebook post about his failing health. That's Kai Johns and Robert Harmon.

They've known each other for 22 years to be exact. They served as paratroopers together. When John's kidney failed, Harmon didn't hesitate to share one of his. He saw because there was a Facebook post from his wife. A three hour surgery at Medstar Georgetown University Hospital in Washington, D.C., last Friday and he just said he felt so amazing. They're both trying to recover. What a total devotion and dedication. Talk about never leaving anybody behind. God bless them both for that. It's a very nice story

BECKEL: That's great.


BECKEL: This is a notice to POTUS.

GUTFELD: Notice to POTUS, nice!

BECKEL: Excuse me.

GUILFOYLE: Why didn't you make a graphic?

PERINO: He's working on it.

BECKEL: The graphic didn't get put together so I did it myself. But anyway, Mr. President, you said you were an environmental candidate and you were going to be an environmental president. So, let me just go just briefly some of the things you've signed -- revoke the rule preventing coal mining companies from dumping debris into local streams, cancel requirement for reporting methane emissions, rejected a bill on potentially harmful insecticides, order review in elimination of GREG GUTFELD.


BECKEL: Rules that you cut your tributaries and wet lands under the Clean Water Act or the immediate re-evaluation of the Clean Power Act. Rollback limits on (Inaudible) --


BECKEL: -- from -- wait a minute. You know, this is what ticks me off.

PERINO: I know, we're never going -- you're just going through a long list and were not good to be able to do our "One More Thing."


GUTFELD: We could have done that as a segment.

GUILFOYLE: Please send some free counseling with the shrimp.


GUTFELD: Alright, Dana.

PERINO: OK, check out this talented guy, Chris Allman.





PERINO: OK, that's Chris Allman. He just wrote a book called, "Find Your Whistle," Everybody has the capability to do it. It's like a unique gift, you can pick those up June 6th, 2017. A colleague of mine or a friend and I can't even whistle.

GUTFELD: Find your whistle.



WATTERS: Is that a book on (INAUDIBLE).

PERINO: That would be good.


WATTERS: All these student snowflakes out there at the University of Montana is so stressed out from exams, it's not a therapy dog. It's a therapy donkey.


WATTERS: Students during exam week are petting a donkey to de-stress from exams. So, have you ever pet a donkey?

BECKEL: I am a donkey.

PERINO: He is a donkey.

BECKEL: But I'm going to let him go in your backyard.

WATTERS: Yes, your party --


GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Have you ever ridden a donkey?

BECKEL: Yes, he have.

GUTFELD: I think I'm going to end this conversation. Never miss an episode of "The Five." Don't forget to DVR. "Hannity" is up next.

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