Conservatives balk at budget; Trump touts win for Americans

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This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 2, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello everyone, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Bob Beckel, Jesse Watters, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 9 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

We begin tonight with a brewing battle in Washington over how the government is going to spend your money. On Sunday, Congressional leaders reached a bipartisan deal on a $1 trillion budget to fund the government through the end of September but with no money for a border wall and more cash for Planned Parenthood and sanctuary cities, some conservatives expressed dismay.


CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Trump got rolled, the Republicans got rolled. They ended up with nothing, it's sort of embarrassing.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: No reason to keep electing Republicans if this is what we're going to get with this budget deal which continually pays for sanctuary cities, funds ObamaCare, funds the EPA, gives money to Planned Parenthood, no money for the wall.


GUILFOYLE: President Trump pushed back and frame the deal as a victory for Americans.


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We have more money now for the border than we got in ten years. The Democrats didn't tell you that, they forgot in their notes, they forgot to tell you that. With enough money to make a down payment on the border wall. After years of partisan bickering and gridlock, this bill is a clear win for the American people.


GUILFOYLE: And at the White House press briefing today, Trump Budget Director Mick Mulvaney slammed Democrats for boasting about the budget and hinted. That future negotiations won't go so well.


MICK MULVANEY, OMB DIRECTOR: The Dems have been trying to claim victory on this which I think is a very strange way to look at a bipartisan discussion, if you're in a bipartisan meeting, I think it's very unusual for one group to walk out and start spiking the football and say, hey, we won, we killed the other guys and it certainly doesn't bode very well for future discussions.


GUILFOYLE: What does it all mean? Well, to make sense of all of this, Mike Emanuel joins us now for the very latest from Capitol Hill. All right. So, how do you call it today, winners and losers?

MIKE EMANUEL, FOX NEWS: Well, Kimberly, I think, you know, in a $1 trillion spending package, there are things for Republicans to celebrate such as increasing defense spending, $15 billion dollars more than what was going to be in there. So, $21 billion for defense spending, something the President ran on. Also, $1.5 billion for border security, something that he has worked hard to make happen and then there are things the Democrats can celebrate such as saving the funding for the EPA, something that they wanted to make sure was in there.

Boosting funding for the National Institutes of Health. And so, bottom- line, and a $1 trillion plus funding package, there's something for everyone to say they like, something for everyone they say they hate. And so, that's the nature of compromise here on Capitol Hill.

GUILFOYLE: Dana Perino, you have a question?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Yes. Welcome to "The Five" in prime time Mike Emanuel.

EMANUEL: Thank you.

PERINO: I have question about the communications on. Because it seems to me that the Democrats might have actually been one upping the White House by getting out there on Sunday so that Monday morning, the story that everybody read was that the Democrats won and the White House got rolled, so that lasted an entire day and then you had today the White House put out, Mick Mulvaney, the White House very effective but a little bit too late.

EMANUEL: Yes. Dana, no question about that, when we got first indications that there was a deal Sunday night, where instantly hearing from Democratic communicators about what they loved about the deal and so it looked like, wow, a bunch of victories on paper and we're asking their Republican counterparts where are the victories and they said, oh, we're still working out the text and that sort of thing. And so, they may have been a little slow to get out there in terms of saying what they loved about this package.

But, you know, clearly the White House and you would know this better than anybody. The White House was clearly worried about, you know, headlines saying Republicans cannot govern. Trump makes a rookie mistake, that sort of thing. And so, they signaled very early on, they wanted nothing to do with the government shutdown and to get these government funding deals through the House you need, some Democratic help because some of the conservative members always vote no on these spending packages and in the Senate you need 60 votes.

You've got 52 Republicans and some of the conservatives may not like that. And so, it was very clear they had to sit at the table with the Democrats and work this out. And when it was all said and done, the Democrats were very quick to say what they loved about this deal -- Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Uh-hm. All right. Mike, we'll take it away with Bob Beckel.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Mike, first of all, let me just say that anybody who suggests that we're not in partial journalist, you particularly, just be able to say that both sides got something out of this package when in fact Trump got rolled up so bad it was unbelievable. But I got it, you did it exactly right. But I don't have to do it that way. Trump gets no money for his wall, he gets no money to stop sanctuary cities, I can go on and on to. But the guy got hammered. And then he has the -- like I give to Trump this -- to stand up and say, this is a victory for the American people and I was responsible for bringing it to you across the aisle, I mean, who else would do that but a developer from New York?

GUILFOYLE: So, Bob, this is a question-and-answer period.


BECKEL: Here's my question. Do Republicans think they have enough votes to try to put a repeal of ObamaCare on this bill?

EMANUEL: Oh, switching topics on me, Bob? That's pretty quick on your feet.

BECKEL: Thank you.

EMANUEL: They are working at, you know, there's 20 plus or so Republicans who say, they are no on the House Republican health care repeal and replace effort at this point that's dangerously close to failure. Obviously, we've seen Vice President Mike Pence appear a whole lot over the last 24 to 36 hours or so. He's been up here a lot in recent weeks trying to convince, you know, his former colleagues he used to serve in the House of Representatives years ago -- to get on board with us that this was a critical first step that bill could be improved in the Senate but they need to get out of the House.

And so, there's been a whole lot of pressure to try to get a vote by Thursday. But the House Republican leadership saying they're not going to do it until they know they have the votes, they don't want another there are failure headline. And so, bottom-line, they are pushing and pushing and pushing but at this point it may be too soon to say exactly what the play will be on Thursday -- Bob.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Jesse.

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Hey, Mike. So, the Congress just got back from a two-week vacation and they haven't cut spending, they haven't cut taxes, they haven't repealed and replaced ObamaCare and now they have a trillion dollar spending bill that doesn't fund the wall. And now they're going to go on vacation at the end of the week. When does it reach the level where the White House says, listen, you guys need to stop with the vacations and stay in Washington and start doing something for the American people because enough is enough, have we reached that level yet from the White House? Yes or no?

EMANUEL: Jesse, I asked a bunch of members about that today here on Capitol Hill. The Senate will be here next week but the House is going home, going to be gone for another recess. I asked why are you doing that after you just had two weeks out, and I was told, well, you know, they have graduations back home, they can make appearances, Mother's Day weekend --

WATTERS: Mother's Day.

EMANUEL: -- et cetera, et cetera. So, they can make the rounds but they may get an earful if they go home and I asked what of the President doesn't get a vote on health care before lawmakers leave, are you expecting to get an earful, and they seem to be bracing themselves that perhaps the President might lose his cool with them.

WATTERS: He might lose his cool, okay.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.

EMANUEL: So, we'll see.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Yes. No more vacations. Greg.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I have to dispute you, Jesse. The more vacations the better. The more that a politician stay out of D.C. and are mowing the lawns and playing --

WATTERS: Usually, if you want to keep taxes low and you want to get rid of ObamaCare so they need to do that and then go on vacation.

GUTFELD: No. Just get them all out. As long as possible. Look, I think the only people who got rolled are the people who believe that President Trump was a small government conservative. He's not. He ran on a pro- American promise which could go either way. If you would spend on infrastructure, that's pro-American, but if you cut the new help build the economy. So, he can't lose either way. This is why, for Rush Limbaugh to be upset about this seems a little rich, because anybody saw this coming. Also, Republicans keep falling for this trick I call it the most popular teacher syndrome. What's the most popular teacher? The teacher that doesn't act like the other teachers.


GUTFELD: So, if you are a Republican in D.C., the quickest way to become popular is to act like a Democrat.


GUTFELD: The moment you bite into that forbidden fruit of spending, all of a sudden, you have new friends --


GUTFELD: And it feels really good and you've made a deal and everybody likes you.


GUTFELD: And I think that's probably the biggest, that is the biggest hurdle for a conservative or a Republican in D.C., is how you can end up being seduced by money. We'll be right back.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it happens that I think, well, there he is. Thank God. We survive Mike Emanuel. We brought him back. Did you have another quick question Bob or comments?

BECKEL: Yes. Go back to the health -- Republicans need -- they can't lose 22 votes. The number 21 has said they won't before it. And it's 22 or 23 that they need to have against them. And I mean, they're playing on thin ice here, right?

EMANUEL: So, they get the 216, they can lose 22 from the latest math count and so, yes, they are right about there. And obviously, the pressure is on. A lot of these lawmakers that have been saying that they are undecided at this point to see whether they are yes or no and we'll see if they get called out if they are no. And if they leave town without doing anything about it -- Bob.

BECKEL: You know, Trump could call them back, the President can do that and should do that, I suppose.

EMANUEL: Yes. And they're having some people floating the idea about whether they should blow up recess and stay here and have them basically sit here until they vote on something. But there are some who say the longer you keep them here, the more votes you may lose and just make it a bigger disaster after all.


GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: Stop calling it recess.

GUILFOYLE: On behalf of a grateful five, we thank you, Mike Emanuel.

EMANUEL: Thanks for having me.

GUILFOYLE: This is how we do it here, it's a little, you know, nutty. Okay. Dana, so what do you think of this? Should President Trump have put more pressure or had his people, you know, put more pressure to get something done that would have satisfied everybody?

PERINO: I don't think it was possible to sit around.


PERINO: I think that we set it on the commercial break yesterday. But this is really Obama's last budget. And whoever the President is that takes over that first year, you usually have to just sort of deal with that. And I think that the White House was smart to say, okay, well, September is where we're going to make our stand and that is where we're going to have to -- they kind of need that time, it's going to come around quickly. You know, summers go by quickly, they go by very fast.

And so, we could end up at this point again in September, the stakes will be higher but I think that that's okay. The President will have more of his team in place, but I do think that just for this one little blip that they've had this week, that the Democrats are like, oh, if we get out on Sunday night, we will make all the Monday morning papers. And Chuck Schumer used to do this. He was great at it. He caught everybody flat- footed on Monday mornings because, like, oh, shoot, should have been working on the Sunday.

GUTFELD: Why do people always say flat-footed as though it's a bad thing?

PERINO: Do you have flat feet?

GUTFELD: Yes, I do. And I actually, it's a micro-aggression.

BECKEL: Greg, I'm sure everybody like to hear that.

PERINO: Well, everything that is -- a micro-aggression.

GUTFELD: I think this budget issues are always in a way game for Republicans.


GUTFELD: It's always the Democrats turf whenever you come on there. Spending is the Democrats wheelhouse.


GUTFELD: Economic growth is the Republicans wheelhouse.


GUTFELD: Government growth is the Democrats wheelhouse. So, it's always a war where you end up losing less. You never win.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But you know what, to further on your point, President Trump tried to come back on that today and say, listen, you are right, this has been their field advantage.


GUILFOYLE: Home team advantage. Guess what, if you want to produce a different outcome than elect more Republicans and put them in and get to 60 so that we can actually get something done.

BECKEL: Let's be clear about this. It wasn't that I mean, he should have known -- this bill was already worked out before there was an election.


BECKEL: I mean, that's what happened. When you send a bill up and the Democrats and Republicans they usually get together, cut deals, they leave enough to buy a certain votes off which they did in this bill. Why Trump didn't understand that is one thing I suppose but why he then takes credits for this being one of the greatest bills.


BECKEL: That's right. That's right. That's $10 million condo was perfect.

WATTERS: So, if you go through this and this thing gets passed and then you have summer to advance tax relief and repeal, replace ObamaCare, he's got momentum going into the next budget showdown and then he can put a little more pressure on these Democrats and maybe squeezed something out of them.

GUILFOYLE: But to play, Dana.

WATTERS: Once he passes tax relief and repeals ObamaCare.

PERINO: Yes. I think that, you know, it will be tough for them to get that done by September. The interesting thing is that there could be, we're going to talk about this vote. About Democrats, coming up in the c- block, what is their advantage or incentive in order to work with President Trump on anything? Right now, they pay no political price back home. And one of the things that they did in this budget, is they wrote little writers for example on things like, if you were from a state that has legalized marijuana, there's a writer in there that says that the Justice Department can't change the way that they alter it.

So, they were trying to put the handcuffs on some of the policy proposals that might becoming for a Republican administration and I think it will be very interesting to see in the next six weeks we'll know if the Democrats are willing to play ball at all.

WATTERS: The only incentive they have in the next midterms and the Senate, the Democrats are defending 25 seats and ten of those are Trump estates.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Right.

WATTERS: So, there is a little incentive.

PERINO: But in the House there is not. That is the problem.

GUTFELD: The other incentive too is, I don't know why, Trump is like me in college, he's open to everything.



I mean, there should be a white line down the front of him because he's so middle-of-the-road. He grows the budget, he cuts regulation, he boosts drilling, he bumps here and there, but right now, he is a centrist, there's nothing to be alarmed about.

WATTERS: He is not an ideologue.

GUTFELD: No. He is not an ideologue. So, you can get something out of him.

BECKEL: I mean, you were stoned --

GUILFOYLE: Well, he loves himself. He loves himself and he is getting the President a compliment.

BECKEL: But I'm going to give Trump a compliment on this. I will say this, the guy throws out ideas, whether you like him or not that I think the gas tax was a good example.

GUTFELD: That idea. This is what happened.

BECKEL: Right.

GUTFELD: A terrible idea but you like it.

BECKEL: I like it. That is right.

GUTFELD: It's punishing his motors!

BECKEL: Nobody in the world, no politician would raise the gas tax and Trump at least had the courage to step forward because it's true. With the gas tax, you get a lot of money.

GUTFELD: Yes. It is true but it's our money.

WATTERS: But then when he caved, it looks like he's doing a good thing --

GUILFOYLE: And he caved within an hour.

WATTERS: I know. Maybe he should have caved in September.

GUILFOYLE: This is what he does. It's all laying the groundwork for the deal that comes down.

GUTFELD: Why between gas and tax now because gas is low so you can sneak it in. If something is good you don't sneak it in.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Listen, you, did you have an energy drink? Ahead - -

GUTFELD: No, I need the gas tax!

WATTERS: I know you can drive.

GUILFOYLE: The mainstream media doesn't want you to see. We will play it for you, standby next.


WATTERS: The Trump campaign has a new ad out telling the President's many successes in his first 100 days in office, at least one mainstream news network is too afraid to show it but we are not, take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump sworn in as president 100 days ago, America has rarely seen such success, a respected Supreme Court Justice confirmed. Companies investing in America jobs again, America becoming more energy independent. Regulations that kill American jobs eliminated. The biggest tax cuts plan in history. You wouldn't know it from watching the news. America is winning and President Trump is making America great again.

PRES. DONALD TRUMP (R), UNITED STATES: I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.


WATTERS: So, CNN very upset with that at. They won't air it because of the phrase "fake news," and why do you think CNN is so sensitive to the fake news charge, Dana?

PERINO: Well, he does call them out a lot. And one of the things President Trump says that he does is that he's a counterpuncher and so, maybe CNN is counterpunching, and who can blame them?

WATTERS: Do you like the ad?


WATTERS: Why not?

PERINO: Not really. I mean, I think that he has had some good successes and I don't know, I wouldn't call it a tax plan, you know, a one pager is not an actual plan but it's a great opening bid. And I think that, you know, they had some stumbles in those first 25 days but had a great, you know, sort of two-thirds after that or three quarters I guess if I'm doing my math right. But in this case, everybody wins. Trump wins because we're talking about it and we're going after the media and so that helps him and his base and now everybody that watches this show got to see that ad. And CNN wins because we're talking about CNN and getting them more attention, and they could say, look, how principled we are we didn't do it.

WATTERS: Do you think CNN does win though? I mean, it seemed very defensive. I remember when Obama was president, it seemed like they were in on the joke and now they are the blood of the joke and they can't take the joke.

GUTFELD: They're not used to being this position.


GUTFELD: They are Dean Wormer of "Animal House." But I don't blame CNN for this. Would FNC run an ad that says "The Five" sucks? I mean, essentially --

GUILFOYLE: Well, no one says that.

GUTFELD: I know that is true, Kimberly. But it's like having your ex do the wedding toast. Why invite criticism in-front of the public?

GUILFOYLE: I think that is actually fine.

GUTFELD: But who actually believes in any single campaign ad, it's like listening to someone's defense attorney, every scoundrel becomes a choir boy. And you laugh, I mean, I thought 70 percent of the ad was really good but when he said America has rarely seen such success. Well, we defeated communism, there was the moon landing, the gulf war.

WATTERS: Was that in the first 100 days though, Greg? I really think so.

GUTFELD: I stand corrected.


WATTERS: And, you know, there's really splitting --

GUILFOYLE: Jesse, the executive produce that.


WATTERS: That is right. I'm waiting for my royalties. CNN is saying basically the term "fake news" is unacceptable and it's a falsehood because we're not fake, we're real.

BECKEL: Well, that's what they're saying, but I couldn't agree with it more. When Trump put out that ad is fake news. That ad is fake news and I would not run that thing. I mean --

WATTERS: It's a political ad!

BECKEL: It's political ad. And as Dana said, we've now help them along as usual. But putting this thing out there so we can see it. And everyone shows a place there and it is a lie.

WATTERS: You've never caught -- the Democrats like, come on.


GUTFELD: He said it's one of the largest tax plans, that's true. What was in there that's an actual lie? I don't think there was any. I mean, when he says really successful. That's a subject of opinion. But I don't think there was a lie.

WATTERS: I want to go to Kimberly real quick because I want to play Kimberly this confrontation I'd call it between John Dickerson at CBS News and President Trump where Trump didn't like the feeling in the room.



TRUMP: Of our citizens I think it's a very big topic and it's a topic that should be number one and we should find out what the hell is going on.

JOHN DICKERSON, CBS NEWS: I just want to find out that you're the President of the United States, you said he was sick in bed.

TRUMP: You could take it anywhere you want.

DICKERSON: But I'm asking you. Because you don't want it to be fake news. I want to hear it from President Trump.

TRUMP: You don't have to ask me.


TRUMP: Because I have my own opinions, you can have your own opinions.

DICKERSON: But I want to know your opinions. You are the President of the United States.

TRUMP: It's enough. Thank you.


WATTERS: Oh! Do you think Dickerson was a little disrespectful there?

GUILFOYLE: I thought that, listen, you know, obviously, President Trump is not good to put up with something like that. We know it's personality so that is like consistent. And if he feels someone is being disrespectful to him or mocking him, I think that he was mocking him. So, you know --

WATTERS: And he wasn't changing his answer, he was giving the same answer. He wasn't going to -- you have to respect the office, they are in the Oval Office.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, the problem is, is that he has to have somebody there with him to handle these interviews. Well, Dana used to do this.


GUILFOYLE: Dana used to do it.

WATTERS: Do you think Dickerson --


GUILFOYLE: He would be there and handle the interviews and go through and say, this is what we're going to talk about, this is what's happening, et cetera. Somebody has to clean that up after.


PERINO: You know what I think? I think maybe he was asked to do, or maybe he wanted to do too many interviews over the last several days. And I think, you know, if he had chosen one and done one really well, we would still play it at.

GUILFOYLE: Let it stand.


PERINO: Instead of having --

WATTERS: He's does seven interviews of the 48 hours.

BECKEL: Dana --

PERINO: Right. And he gets frustrated with the questions and I don't think it was an illegitimate question. I'd actually think that John Dickerson was being quite respectful.

BECKEL: You know, I think the White House should send you a bucket because you keep bailing him out. And the weirdest ways, the Trump would not answer that question because he knew it was a lie when he started, he can't stand talking about it. And then when every, just to give the guy credit, he is consistent about this, he is a consistent liar and people buy into it.

WATTERS: He said it. Dickerson show was called the face the nation.

BECKEL: The face the nation.

WATTERS: You see, that is classic. Up next, Hillary Clinton is still a better loser than President Trump, will tell you who she's blaming now when we come right back.


GUILFOYLE: Tonight, Hillary Clinton is speaking out again about her election loss to President Trump taking some responsibility this time for her decisive defeat but still has plenty of blame to go around.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It wasn't a perfect campaign. There is no such thing. But I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey's letter on October 28th. And Russian Wikileaks raise doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. The election had been on October 27th, I'd be your president. I'm now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance.


PERINO: So, Jesse, are you glad the election was not on October 27th?

WATTERS: Yes, I mean, come on!

PERINO: Thank God!

WATTERS: It's like the Seattle Seahawks saying they would have beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl if the game was called in the third quarter.


I mean, the reason she lost is because she lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania and she probably would have lost more states if NBC hadn't leaked the locker room talk tape. I love how she blames Comey, the fact that she had a secret server had nothing to do with it.


WATTERS: I mean, come on, take a little responsibility.

PERINO: Kimberly, she said I take full responsibility which would've been, like, fine, I just stop there.

GUILFOYLE: Full stop, right.

PERINO: . and (inaudible) but then she had to continue on basically trying to alleviate any of the blame.

GUILFOYLE: Well, she is consistent and that her narrative the whole time has been it's not my fault, it's Comey, it's this, it's the Russians. But what happened is, that she was invested by a far better candidate that everybody didn't anticipate was going to perform in the way he did. He out campaigned here, went to a bunch of different stops. She ignored places that she shouldn't have.

PERINO: And went to places that she shouldn't have like Utah.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, like Wisconsin, exactly. And then Kellyanne Conway just tweeted this, you ignored Wisconsin, called us deplorable, irredeemable, had oodles of money and no message, and lost to a better candidate. She does not.

PERINO: Kellyanne Conway has tweets about.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, she does.

PERINO: . that when she goes after Hillary.

BECKEL: She says that to the microwave too, you know.

PERINO: Bob, the Democrats say that they have data that show that undecided did break against Hillary Clinton after that Comey letter. Do you agree with that?

BECKEL: Yes, absolutely. But, listen, first of all, let me say this, I think that Hillary -- I want to raise money for her to take a long, slow boat around the world where she can stop and help certain countries get elections done. Having said that, (inaudible), you can never say there's a lot of reasons why you lost.

There is no doubt in my mind if Comey hadn't done that and the Russians hadn't involved themselves in this election, this so-called good candidate Donald Trump. And by the way, a solid victory, 72,000 votes is not a solid victory.

WATTERS: What are the Russians do? They made her famous? They made her call half the country deplorable (ph)?


BECKEL: When you find out that they did get WikiLeaks and the others to say all those things.

WATTERS: CNN wouldn't even air WikiLeaks.

BECKEL: Yeah, so what?

WATTERS: They wouldn't even put it on the air.

PERINO: (inaudible).

BECKEL: I say the signs are (inaudible).



GUTFELD: Yes. Hillary.

PERINO: Hillary.

GUTFELD: Forget Comey, go, Homey. I love the fact the she says she's part of the resistance. She's resisting advice to go away. She is resisting the fact that she was the worst candidate for president in American history. She was the worst candidate in American history, that is a fact. She was unlikable. She stumbled throughout. She couldn't create a vision.

She relied on her gender as her only argument. She was embarrassing. And now she is water send from dazed and confused. She's graduated from high school but she hangs out in the parking lot. She is like that 25-year-old dude who shows up at campus to pass himself off as a senior at parties. It's time to leave.

The only political figure that is worse than Hillary Clinton is Chelsea Clinton who has all the entitlement but minus the achievements. Chelsea is no Amy Carter. By the way, if the Democratic Party buys into Chelsea as the future, they are being sold a left-wing lemon.

GUILFOYLE: I don't anybody is going to do that.

BECKEL: (inaudible) time around Ross Perot? (inaudible).

GUTFELD: That guy should (inaudible).

BECKEL: I shouldn't say something.

PERINO: Hold on. Kimberly?


GUILFOYLE: You're missing the whole other half of it. That's fine. We know what Hillary is about. But how about the fact that (inaudible) wasn't invited to the women for women conference because Christiane Amanpour, 35 minutes, and it was very one-sided, it was a very soft interview. And to me, I was expecting more from her, it seemed that she was very much time pressed. She was really trying to help Hillary and help further the narrative of Russians and Comey.

PERINO: (inaudible).

GUTFELD: That was a women for women conference?

GUILFOYLE: And women are smarter and better than that.

GUTFELD: Where was the men for men conference?


PERINO: Do you want to organize one?

GUTFELD: I shall.

PERINO: Okay, fine. We will work on that in the commercial break. But you have (inaudible) because of chaos at Portland May Day protest. Greg is going to expose the real reason why riots erupted there when "The Five" returns.



GUTFELD: All right. May Day which is short for "may I spend the day panhandling and stolen underwear" ended with violent rioting in Portland, Oregon. Yeah, Portland. The city that last week canceled a local parade because violent threats were made by lefties. So as speeches in parades disappear because the left promises violence, days later, leftists still violently run rampant.

The lesson: Once the threat of violence can suppress speech then actual violence can replace it.

There were 25 arrests of anarchists starting fires, destroying property, throwing homemade bombs at cops. Anarchists? Is that what we call them? What a fake word, it's just shorthand for want to be terrorist. They are ISIS without the goats.

Before Bob's head implodes, I know this scam doesn't reflect the whole left. But ask yourself this: Has a Republican ever been busted for rioting on May Day? Has a conservative ever been arrested for looting on May Day? Has a libertarian Costco manager with two kids ever been jailed for torching a car?

No, it's only a certain type from a certain side.

Maybe it's time we ditch the notion that there is some purpose behind this. Rioting isn't done to make any point, it's something a coward can brag about the next day to his friends or to pick up the girl with a nose ring at Hot Topic.


GUTFELD: Violence is the loser's way of winning and as long as cities like Portland view this as some romantic aberration, they will continue being a sanctuary city for jackasses who need a bath.

All right, Bob, last night, you said we made up the stuff up, care to eat some crow with mashed potatoes?

BECKEL: I'm prepared to do that. I want to say this is one of the only times -- it's historic. I was wrong and the producers were right.


BECKEL: But let me say this. I did notice today you showed pictures of that same fire bomb over and over again. You did a good job.

GUTFELD: Bob, that happened after our show.

BECKEL: Is it after the show? Tonight?

GUTFELD: Last night.

BECKEL: But let me just say this to producers. Good news that came out of this was, because you were right and I were wrong, the federal communication is going to give you a license to produce back, because you've been on this (inaudible) for a long time as you know. So you've got your licenses back now and now you can go ahead and legally produce this show.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, do you have a death wish?


GUILFOYLE: Everyone knows you don't (inaudible) the producers. BECKEL: I love these producers.

GUTFELD: (inaudible) Kimberly. I have an idea, stop rioting.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible).

GUTFELD: Yes, but I have an idea, and you tell me if legally this can be done, okay? I would like to introduce a law that when a writer is arrested, you can go to their home and while they sit there, lucky winners of some lottery get to smash all of their stuff in front of them. That way, writing would actually be fun. Could that legally be done?

GUILFOYLE: Barely legal.


GUILFOYLE: First of all.

GUTFELD: I don't know what that means.

GUILFOYLE: You would have to have some reason to enter the department like something was on fire.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible) and get in before you go in and start to put out the fire and accidentaly smash all the stuff. You can't do that, Greg, but I hear you. But the point is when they actually commit acts of violence or destruction of public property, they have to be held accountable and they have to be punished.


GUILFOYLE: That's the bottom line. You can't allow them to break the law. That's what the problem. They don't have any kind of accountability so they keep doing it over and over again across America.

GUTFELD: Jesse, they did arrest a few but places like Portland, places like Seattle, San Francisco, they always seem to have kind of like a benevolent, lenient idea towards these people. It's like activism is so romantic. This is the price you pay.

WATTERS: I looked at some of the names on the arrest sheet. Here's who got arrested. Aiden (ph), Phoebe, Brianna.

GUTFELD: Sounds like French.

WATTERS: Riley, Lucy, Elizabeth Smith and (inaudible). It sounds like a (inaudible).


WATTERS: I mean, who are these people? I mean, (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: They're your friends, Jesse.

WATTERS: When there's a tea party, the media is all over these people, interviewing the guy with a sign that says a village in Kenya is missing an idiot. But there is never a mainstream media reporter at these riots here interviewing these knuckleheads, what do you believe and what are in the horrible signs?

BECKEL: Oh, man.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible).

GUTFELD: You know -- Dana?

WATTERS: No, I mean (inaudible).

BECKEL: Dana hasn't said anything yet.

GUTFELD: Dana, I want to show, this is an image.


GUTFELD: . country. Look at this. This was happening on May Day. Those are anti-police, probably there to protect people, getting hit by explosives. And hopefully there were no fatalities, I'm pretty sure. But it's a striking photo. This is what people do.

PERINO: That photo will probably win a Pulitzer Prize. It was on the front page of the Wall Street Journal today because it captures the story. When you said that anarchists is just a soft word for terrorism, the actual definition is a person that uses violence to advance a political agenda. I don't actually understand what the agenda is of these people. I understand what ISIS is looking for.


PERINO: But chaos.

GUTFELD: They are anti-capitalists.

PERINO: What does Brianna (ph) want with chaos?

GUTFELD: They want to undermine society. They want to undermine the free markets. If you can create fear, a climate of fear, then you can undermine people's ability.

PERINO: Okay. But there are also -- I am looking, they are 24 years old, 22, 19 years old. And then this guy, 33, that's the senior, that's the college, the 25-year-old who comes back to the parties and pretends he's a senior. They are so young, I don't understand.


BECKEL: You know, most of the anarchists in this country are up in the northwest, serial killers and anarchists live up there for some reason. They should be punished. I'm glad you said that, Greg, that this is just a small part of the left, I appreciate that.


BECKEL: The fact of the matter is, I don't know a serious Democrat who wouldn't believe they should be punished. Listen to their names, they're all kids who went to boarding school because papa has a lot of money and they can burn things down.

GUTFELD: All right. On that note.

WATTERS: We agree on something.

GUTFELD: Directly ahead, Univision anchor Jorge Ramos says that President Trump is terrorizing the immigrant community and that you are responsible for the illegal immigration mass. We'll tell you about it next.


BECKEL: New stats show illegal immigration is way down under the Trump administration. At the end of Obama's second term, there were over 40,000 border apprehensions a month according to the feds. That number was down just over 12,000 in March. But take a listen to who Univision's anchor, Jorge Ramos, is -- what are you laughing about? Excuse me for a second, why are you laughing?



JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: It's been 102 days of fear, Trump policy is emphasizing the arrest of people really who have done nothing, absolutely nothing on this country. Yes, they broke the law by coming here illegally. But we are all complicit. Whenever we are eating food, whenever we live in a house or in the apartment. It was built by immigrants. We are all complicit. So my concern is what Trump is doing and terrorizing the immigrant community.


BECKEL: Okay. I'm sorry about that. Jesse was giving me a shout, that's okay. He went to college and I didn't. Okay. Let me ask you, Kimberly. What do you think about what he said?


GUTFELD: What he said. No one was listening because were too busy.


BECKEL: It says it's your fault.

GUTFELD: I admit to that (ph). Everybody blames the little guy.


BECKEL: No, seriously.

GUILFOYLE: What do you want me to say? Manage this mess between the two of you?

BECKEL: He didn't think I could pronounce it right, you're Hispanic, how do you pronounce Jorge Ramos?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, Jorge Ramos.

BECKEL: Jorge.

GUILFOYLE: Univision.

BECKEL: Univision. Oh, that's what was Univision, right? Univision. Okay. What do you think?

WATTERS: Okay. Well, I really don't think that Trump is terrorizing the immigrant community. When I was up in the Bronx interviewing illegal immigrants and Hispanic Americans a couple months ago, I asked them if they feared being rounded up by the deportation forces, none of them said they fear Trump at all.

In fact, many of them have been here for many years and many of them cross the border illegally half a dozen times. I don't think there's any fear there. And to say that Americans are complicit in illegal immigration, the definition of complicit means you're involved in the crime.

BECKEL: Why a crime.

WATTERS: You're making me laugh!

BECKEL: You're a big boy.

WATTERS: You're making me laugh. Complicit, it means you smuggled illegal aliens across the border, not that like you ate food that was cooked by illegal immigrants.

BECKEL: Yeah, right. (inaudible).

PERINO: Here is what I think. Going back to the first block where Greg was saying that Trump has the white line down the middle and (inaudible). I think that right now leading into the summer is a great time for President Trump to lay out what he said he wanted to do which is some sort of comprehensive immigration plan whatever that might look like.

And it can be just like a tax plan where this is one page, this is what I want to do. I think that would immediately alleviate a lot of these criticisms coming from the Hispanic community.

BECKEL: Let me just say.

PERINO: And they might be willing to work with him.

BECKEL: . Univision, is that right?

GUTFELD: Like it's French.

BECKEL: It is, isn't it? Oh, that's right. I knew that.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, can I help you here for one second? You asked me how to pronounce it so I told you. Here's the bottom line. This is something and I think coming from the Hispanic community, they want the law to be observed. They want safety in their communities.

They want the borders to be protected. So they are losing ground, people like Jorge Ramos, who think that they are the spokesperson for the Hispanic community. Hispanic community is law-abiding, and they want the law followed. And so I think they are actually far more supportive of what President Trump is doing.

BECKEL: Let me just say. The one thing that probably we ignore here is he said, probably he angers a lot of people, he said we're complicit, right? I think there's something to be said about the fact if they wouldn't come here it wouldn't work. The people who are opposed to the immigration reform (inaudible).

GUTFELD: The Mexican.

BECKEL: Wait, sorry, Greg, I was just going to say the chamber of commerce.

(LAUGHTER) GUTFELD: Mexico is therefore complicit because they know they're getting back money from the people who are working here. So everybody is complicit. We have to stop lying about this issue. It's not about family centric, God- fearing Mexicans. It's not about that. It's about modern threats that we talk about here every day which is terrorism, toxic ideologies and gangs.

That's what we're worried about. You can pull to competing ideas about immigration. You can be for hardy, vigorous immigration. But you want to make sure that criminals and dangerous people don't get in. Jorge is lumping everything together.

GUILFOYLE: He's conflating the whole thing.

BECKEL: I have to interrupt you here. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Please, yes.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Jesse, what do you have for us?

WATTERS: So everybody in gym class growing up loved playing this game. Here it is.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: it's up for grabs! It's caught, that's a catch.


WATTERS: A bunch of snowflakes in Louisiana tried to ban dodgeball in schools. They said human target games that promote aggressive behaviors by attacking and overpowering other humans are not to be permitted. But the smart people in Louisiana shut that down. There is still dodgeball in Louisiana. Everybody can go home happy.

GUILFOYLE: I really loved dodgeball.

PERINO: All right. I want everyone to meet NASA astronaut Jack Fischer. Take a listen.


JACK FISCHER, ASTRONAUT: Why astronaut? I drew a course where I would love every step along the way. My dad taught me that, you know, love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life.


PERINO: So, if you remember, when he was in the oval office, he was on the screen there talking with President Trump and his fellow astronaut there. I met him in Houston, Texas at a book signing for Jasper. And I asked him, he told me he's a Broncos fan. He said he's going to space. He said, do you need (inaudible)? Guess what? Well, he took Felt Jasper up in the space.

He's on the international space station. There he is. I put it on my Facebook page. Take your kids there. You can learn all about the international space station. Jack Fischer, you can follow him. I'll let you know on Twitter how to do that and you can follow his and Jasper's journey.

GUILFOYLE: He's in outer space, not just America. All right. Time for highly acclaimed Kimberly's Food Court. All right. Everybody, feast your eyes on this for real because Hershey's has released a limited edition candy inspired by U.S. summer destinations.

So this is flavors of Hawaii, president Obama might like that one a lot. Coconut, almond, Hershey kisses. Bob, try. And then look at this. Key Line twizzlers. You might like that. We got barbecue paydays, Hershey's strawberry, cheesecake.

PERINO: Peanut butter.

GUTFELD: I wanted that!

BECKEL: I'm going fast as I can.

BECKEL: Jared Kushner who is the prime strategist for President Trump, he was a developer and he has a thing called (inaudible) that he started. And you know how he got it paid for? $215 million of credit from no other than Mr. Soros. Congratulations, Jared. No wonder he didn't put it in your filing (ph).

PERINO: Bob is clearly (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: Bob, put the candy in your mouth. Let's roll (inaudible). Oh, my God. Never miss an episode of "The Five." Don't forget to set your DVR. "Hannity" is next.

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