US imposes ban on electronic devices on flights US from several Muslim countries

Move reveals an obvious truth


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 21, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and a toadstool is her lawn chair, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

So we're going to have analysis of the Senate confirmation hearing for Supreme Court justice Neil Gorsuch in a moment. I know you can hardly wait. Reminds me of Tom Bergeron from "Dancing with the Stars," slightly less exciting. All right.

Meanwhile, the White House announced a ban on electronic devices larger than cell phones on planes coming from eight Muslim-rich countries. I know: Eight Muslim-rich countries. So where is the outrage here? True, this ban actually targets machines and not men, but these devices are carried by people. People from Muslim-rich countries. Yet, no outcry.

The gist: Politically we can't stop terrorists, only their gadgets. But at some point the bombs inside these gadgets will exceed our ability to detect them. Nano-weapons, mini bombs and tiny robots will soon be bigger threats than the conventional stuff and good luck tracking those.

But the device ban reveals an obvious truth: The threat comes from radical Muslims and therefore more likely to come from Muslim-rich countries. Is it bigoted to say that? No, it's what scientists call a "duh." It's not about religion but of ends. Not all people who follow a doctrine pose a danger. But the truly dangerous have twisted that doctrine to their evil end. If you're looking for evil members of X, go to where all members of X happens to be first.

So what's the difference between this gadget ban and the previous executive order? Well, the gadget ban targets places with infrastructure. If the travel ban countries weren't so lawless, they'd probably be on this list too.

So show of hands critics of such bans: If there were an airline that rejected all such measures against terror, would you take that airline? I don't think so.

So Kimberly, I want to point out --

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh yes, semi involved I guess.

GUTFELD: Yes, well we're going to get the Gorsuch in a minute because I can't get enough of the guy. He does remind me of Tom Bergeron.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: That's a good comparison.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Dana. All right. Critics of the travel ban, they are kind of fine with the device ban but isn't the device ban kind of a cloak? It really is -- it's the same thing. We're just saying we're not going to talk with the people. We are going to talk about what they carry.

GUILFOYLE: Right. So look, it makes sense. It's saying on inbound U.S. flights but yes, people are actually having little problem with saying, oh wait a second, this is okay and then Britain is going to do it too, but the travel ban isn't but notices in courts that are opposing it that are definitely more like pro-Democrat, Liberals, Obama ideology. It makes sense to me when you see it down partisan lines, but I get it.

They must have intel that is specific to put this in place.

GUTFELD: Right, yes.

GUILFOYLE: OK. It's not just us. Britain, they're just like us.


GUILFOYLE: They're saying that they want to do this as well. So that tells me that there's credible threats, that information has been shared collectively with our intelligence agencies, which I think is a good thing, which suggests the seriousness of it. So, I mean, fine by me. Wait to watch the kids videos, that's a complaint. Then now what do you do with kids on long flights? It decreases business productivity. There was a quote (ph) of a guy from San Francisco, Fayed Husein (ph) who was very upset this. He travels back and forth to the U.A.E.

GUTFELD: Yes. I feel very badly for him Eric, right.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: You know this reminds of what is it 20 or 15 years ago, now we're still taking off our shoes because someone tried to light his shoe on fire to blow the place up. The travel ban strikes me now as because I don't know that there's a credible threat that people are saying we're going to bring an iPad on the plane and blow the plane up versus a telephone. This is way smarter than at least as far as an iPad.

What strikes me is these airports in these countries of origin aren't as secure at the entry-level as you're boarding the plane. They're not checking you. But your point is so well taken Greg and I'm trying to get up to speed on it. I'm studying (ph) a lot on artificial intelligence. They now have, as you point out, nano drones the size of mosquitoes that they think can deliver fatal blows and then sometimes even bombs at some point going forward.

So, you're right. It won't matter where the country of origin is because there's no TSA in the world that's going to be able to find a mosquito- sized drone in someone's pocket.

GUTFELD: Yes, it freaks me out. It really does scare me. Dana, do you think there's another conspiracy behind this? You read something today that said this might have something to do with --

PERINO: Well, no I'll say the article that I read.

GUTFELD: It didn't come from us.

PERINO: I didn't say -- this is not my viewpoint, OK, but Megan McArdle who is a wonderful columnist who I trust and she is super smart. She pointed to an article that was I think in "The Washington Post." It was cited (ph) in the "Financial Times," OK. So you have some credible people saying that some people in these countries that are a part of a government of the countries will have been worried that the United States might retaliate against them because they heavily subsidize their airlines.

And business travel is very attractive and in this case, with this ban of devices, you're actually hurting a lot of people. The effect is actually on business travelers, a lot of them from the west who travel overseas in order to do business. So, this is actually affecting a lot more people than the actual travel ban itself.

The suggestion being that the United States and I guess Britain, that's where this theory breaks down for me, have wanted to say to these governments they have a problem on these airlines and you should fly ours instead. I'm not exactly -- I don't think it's accurate but there's just something that's out there.

GUTFELD: Here's the original tablet America. You don't need -- this is what I use.

PERINO: I think it would be like anyone who has a book out there.

GUTFELD: Yes, and it's got flowers.

GUILFOYLE: Mine is in paperback. You really do travel with that?


GUILFOYLE: You travel with that, you take off your stinky socks, you look at your weird toes that are like deformed and have bruises, then you write like beautiful mind on there and then you take the pill and --

GUTFELD: I can't believe I have to defend my toes on national television. Juan, what do you make of this travel ban? As a liberal, you're probably against it.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No. I wonder about the effectiveness of it. I'm always for anything that's going to make us safer --


WILLIAMS: But the question is why does it only apply to foreign airlines, not to U.S. airlines that are going back and forth?

PERINO: That's why that article --

WILLIAMS: And so that plays --

BOLLING: -- airlines that originated in these airports.

WILIAMNS: No. But they've got their flights on there.

BOLLING: -- the concern is any airline and that's why they pointed out these airlines, the ones that originate in these airports that they find insecure or less insecure --

WILLIAMS: Well, it's not the case either.

BOLLING: So they come directly --

WILLIAMS: No, that's not the case because a number of these places, U.S. authorities are there on the ground and do the checks on the traveler.

BOLLING: That's the reason for these 10 airports.

WILLIAMSL: Let me just finish for a second. Give me a chance. I just wanted to pick up on what Dana was saying that a lot of people are saying that it may have to do with the subsidies for these particular airlines coming out of these countries.

GUTFELD: Of two countries, wait, three countries?

WILLIAMS: More than three, but there are three big airlines that gets --

GUTFELD: Identifying of threats.

WILLIAMS: That's different. It's like I'm changing this like in the way that Dana did just to say to you there may be something else going on here that we're punishing these airlines that subsidize and President Trump who says --

PERINO: But then why would Britain do it too?

WILLIAMS: -- he's going to support American business, maybe in fact here, supporting American business.

PERINO: So why then will Britain do it too? That's where I think that breaks (ph) up.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think Britain has the same problems with their airlines saying, hey why is it that the Arab countries subsidize unfair competition for the airline? But here's the bigger point for you, Greg. I think what when I look at -- I'm saying does this really going to make me or my family safer, right?

And I think the underwear bomber, he wasn't traveling from the Arab world (ph). He's coming from Amsterdam -- the shoe bomber coming from Paris. The 9/11 bombers come from Germany. So, that plus what you said or may be what Eric said about phones, cell phones can trigger explosions. They have just as much capacity in terms of electronics as tablets.

So I'm thinking, OK, so maybe you heard something, and in fact Democrats like Adam Schiff --


WILLIAMS: Who is head of the House intelligence said he was briefed over the weekend by General Kelly --


WILLIAMS: -- who is head of Homeland Security, and he said, you know what it's efficient in terms of the presentation made by the Trump administration to justify this action.

GUILFOYLE: So what does that tell you?

WILLIAMS: For me on the outside I'm just thinking, well, wait a second, I heard what Eric said. I'm thinking the previous bad guys didn't come from Arab countries, what is going on here?

GUTFELD: I don't know. From what you said, I can't figure it out.

WILLIAMS: I can't either.

GUILFOYLE: When you have Adam Schiff saying this, he's the leading Democrat in that committee telling you, hey, this is good. We're not going to complain about it. This is credible. There is substance here and that's what I'm saying. This is based on data that's been captured intelligence and some of what they are saying is from the SEAL raid in Yemen, that they were able to get this information. Hey, if it's good enough for the Democrats and your crew, I'm going to say that they're not objective for a reason, let's just go with I think --

WILLIAMS: I think everybody we're so easily attacked if you say anything critical.

GUILFOYLE: It's not that. They have all the --

GUTFELD: No, but Juan, it's allowing people like Schiff a way out. Focusing on behavior not who you are. So it's still people coming from Muslim-rich nations but you're not saying people. You're saying iPhones or iPads.

BOLLING: How do you even think it's that? I really think it is the lack of security of these 10 airports and the only airlines that fly from those 10 airports to the United States mainland direct without going to stop on somewhere else are the ones that are required now to have these ban. But I agree with you that the ban is ridiculous. I mean because this iPhone is far more --

PERINO: I'm surprised that the emirates would be on that list then.

BOLLING: With who?

PERINO: That the Emirates would be on that list --

GUILFOYLE: The concern is that they've developed a liquid explosive and the top bomb makers that's in Yemen, al-Asiri, who's been training with the Al-Qaeda bomb makers, has been working on this compound for the past five years and so perhaps it's something that needs to be in a larger -- contained larger than this --


GUILFOYLE: -- therefore the need for a larger electronic device to transport (ph).

PERINO: And also if it's underneath, it's safer, right. If an explosion happens under --

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

PERINO: -- that's what I was thinking.

WILLIAMS: I don't think -- I think if you have, in fact, they were talking about the Samsungs with the lithium batteries that blow up.

PERINO: You cannot even put that on a plane anymore.

WILLIAMS: No, but you could put it in your luggage, in other words the bad guys, and that's not great either.

GUTFELD: I am being told we must go.

PERINO: Now that's great.

GUTFELD: Thank you.


GUTFELD: Anyway, coming up, the White House pushes back at James Comey's revelations that the FBI is investigating potential ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. More reaction, next.


GUILFOYLE: New developments following the FBI director James Comey's explosive testimony at Capitol Hill yesterday confirming his agency is investigating potential links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The White House is pushing back saying it's time to move on from the Russia probe.


KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: I thought Director Comey's testimony revealed a couple of things that caught my attention. He and Director Rogers both confirmed that no votes were changed or affected in any of the swing states that President Trump won. That's important because if you listen to the Democrats and many of their friends, they insist that this collusion and this effect on the election, it simply was not there.

So this investigation has been going on for eight months. We know very little about it. No connection. No fruits. Donald Trump has been president for two months and he has a lot more to show for us.


GUILFOYLE: Comey also disputed Mr. Trump's claim that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. But is this charge a self-inflicted wound for the president? Bill O'Reilly thinks so.


BILL O'REILLY, THE O'REILLY FACTOR SHOW HOST, FOX NEWS: The accusation that President Obama was actively involved in harming the Trump campaign has now harmed the president himself. He needs the American people to focus on the economy, the new health care proposal, border security, not alleged conspiracies.


GUILFOYLE: OK, nice invitation, Greg, of O'Reilly there. Would you care to repeat it on live television?

GUTFELD: No, no, not at all.


GUTFELD: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Should I go to Dana. She'll help you out.

GUTFELD: I have a --

GUILFOYLE: OK, go ahead.

GUTFELD: I would say, you know when there's a scene of a terrible accident, when they say move on, it means because there is something bad there. Even if there's nothing there, don't say move on because -- we heard that with Benghazi and it really upset us and we heard it with the IRS scandal. When somebody says, oh, there's nothing there. Move on. People made jokes out of Benghazi. I say never move on and let the other side expend all their energy and purpose on it.

And also when you say don't move on and investigate, that makes them question the message of their own efforts long term. Like, wait, if they are not worried about this, maybe there's nothing there but if you say move on, then that tells people something is going on.

GUILFOYLE: So, reverse psychology is what you're trying to say.

GUTFELD: Or reverse, reverse psychology. It's what I didn't say.

GUILFOYLE: Or reverse, reverse, reverse.



PERINO: I was reminded of -- I wasn't going to say this then I thought, oh, I can say it. I was reminded of something that President George H.W. Bush told me years ago. He was doing an interview in China and I was staffing it for him at the Olympics and they were asking him about his time when he worked at the RNC as a chairman.

And he used to get calls all the time from donors telling him George, you've got to make the story go away. It was in reference to Watergate. And he told them this story is like making love to a gorilla. It is not going to stop until the gorilla wanted to. I figured I could tell that story because --

GUTFELD: That is filthy, Dana.

PEREINO: That's funny.

GUTFELD: Filthy.

PERINO: That's funny.

GUTFELD: There's nothing funny about being --

PERINO: Meaning that the media is the gorilla.


GUTFELD: I would not know


PERINO: I was trying to -- I was trying to lighten up little bit. But I didn't say he said even if you want to move on, it's very difficult, because now you have the FBI director in an unprecedented way saying there is an investigation. Having said that there is an investigation, then they will be asked for updates on it, which Comey probably will not comment.

But then at some point, he's either going to have to say the investigation has ended and there was nothing or there was something there. So, he'll continue to be asked about it. The best way for the White House to move on is for a win on Thursday night when they have votes on the house side on the American Health Care Act. If they get a win there, they can try to move on.

GUILFOYLE: OK, perfect, that's the strategy. So Bolling, where do we stand with Russia? What do you think about this in terms of the talking points and the communication right now with the White House?

BOLLING: I think the left loves this story and they're going to continue to hound on this --


PERINO: Or a gorilla.

BOLLING: Right, yes. I agree with you.


GUILFOYLE: It's a bit late to say to someone they found the gorilla cage. Remember I was going to throw myself in there to thrash the gorilla.

BOLLING: So, both Comey and Rogers both said it didn't have any effect on any votes, none whatsoever. It's been going on for decades. It didn't affect the outcome of the election and yet the left is just all in on this story, and that's great. That's fantastic.

But where are they on things that may have had an effect on the election or the outcome? Things like when Donna Brazille leaks the questions to a town hall debate prior to the town hall debate, and that's all we know about it. There could've been a whole lot more going on but they don't seem to be focused on things like that or worry about--

GUTFELD: And that's potentially bigger or bigger effect.


PERINO: Bernie Sanders town hall.

GUTFELD: Bernie Sanders could have been the nominee I think.

WILLIAMS: A Bernie Sanders town hall versus a foreign government interfering in an election.

GUTFELD: I'm just saying --


BOLLING: The FBI and the NSA have already said it had no effect on election results and no effect on both.

WILLIAMS: This is not -- that's not -- no, it said it had no effect in terms of the voting machines, Eric, but in terms of the election.

BOLLING: -- the results.

WILLIAMS: No, they didn't say that because how can you say that? They haven't finished the investigation, one. But two, the whole issue of honesty, trustworthiness for Hillary Clinton is huge and remember, we didn't have a similar stream of information coming out of the Trump side. It was a one-sided event.

What strikes me here is, you know, I just worry about confidence, you know, it's just not the role I play on this show to be worried about Donald Trump, but I'm just telling you that his -- I think confidence in him in the midst of crisis, I think that's why Devin Nunes said to Jim Comey yesterday, "let's get this over as quickly as possible."

And I think you hear people saying, you know, we don't know what's going to come. The collusion argument is part of it but also what about failure to sound an alarm when you knew something was going on if you're Carter Page, if you're Jeff Sesssions?

BOLLING: Where was the alarm, Juan, where was the alarm from Hillary Clinton's camp or campaign or Hillary herself say, you know, I can't -- I don't want to know these questions in advance. This is not right. This is unethical.

WILLIAMS: Are you comparing this to Russia's involvement?

BOLLING: No, I'm comparing the outrage the left has for --

WILLIAMS: Oh my gosh.

BOLLING: -- you're saying you're losing confidence in the president.


BOLLING: But where is the confidence lost in Hillary Clinton when she did not push back against getting those questions?

WILLIAMS: Let me just say Hillary Clinton is not the president of the United States. If we get involved with North Korea, if we get involved in dealing with Russian aggression, Ukraine, I don't have to worry about Hillary Clinton at this moment. Donald Trump is my president.

BOLLING: You have the right to be concerned about it.


WILLIAMS: Hang on. If he is lying -- if he is lying and it's being said by the head of the CIA, the FBI, and now the NSA, this guy just told you a lie about something like this, and just like, oh, my gosh.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. When we return, we will analyze the latest developments from day two of Supreme Court nominee Judge Neil Gorsuch's senate confirmation hearing. Please stay with us.


PERINO: On day two of his confirmation hearing, Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch has been grilled by senators trying to get to the bottom of his views on a variety of a hot button cases. Judge Gorsuch has responded with a consistent answer. His job is to follow the law and set aside his personal beliefs.


NEIL GORSUCH, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NOMINEE: I can tell you that when I go home and take off the robe, I'm not a human being that I don't think about some of those cases. But my job is to apply the law as fairly as I can in each and every case without respect of persons. That's my oath. There's not every law in the book I love, you love, I'm sure of that, but my job isn't to write the laws. It's to apply the laws.


PERINO: Judge Gorsuch also vows to not be swayed by political pressure if he is confirmed to the high court.


SEN. ERNEST GRASSLEY (D), IOWA: Describe in any way you want to what judicial independence means and specifically tell us whether you would have any trouble ruling against a president who appointed you.

GORSUCH: So that's a softball, Mr. Chairman. I have no difficulty ruling against or for any party other than based on what the law and the facts in a particular case require. There is no such thing as a Republican judge or Democratic judge. We just have judges in this country.


PERINO: All right, so basically that hearing has gone on for hours and it is still ongoing and I would say, Greg, that the Democrats are trying to find some way to lay a glove on him but can't figure that out.

GUTFELD: That's a great metaphor. You know what it's like, it's like a high school dance and the inquisitors they're like trying to cop a feel and he's always like knock it off. Knock it off. He's always like -- he's like -- the whole. That's the point --

GUILFOYLE: -- maniac.

GUTFELD: The sharpness of a question has to be like the inversely mirrored by kind of the evasiveness of the answer. So the more -- the harder you hit, the more you have to have like a smooth facade so you can't get anywhere with him. But he's such a goofy dad. It's like he is born to embarrass his kids with that weird jokes that he always try to be -- no, it's very likable. He's kind of dorky.

GUILFOYLE: He's kind of green acres (ph).

PERINO: From a legal point of view, Kimberly, you had to be impressed.

GUILFOYLE: I find him legally compelling.


GUILFOYLE: I do. I do.

GUTFEDL: Legally compelling with Kimberly Guilfoyle.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think he's fantastic. He's very likable because he comes off like a little bit kind of aw, shucks, like very charming, like a nice guy. You know, like lay awake at night thinking this guy going to mess me over. You think is someone who is very steady, who is a genuine person, who is obviously very bright, very accomplished, takes the job seriously and is going to uphold the law.

The fact that he's been in the majority, what, 95 percent of the time, goes to show you that this is somebody that goes with the law and isn't like an outlier or somebody who's going to be writing crazy, you know, dissenting opinions and try to shape law based on his own personal viewpoint. I don't know, I think he's doing a fantastic job. He's very difficult for them to try to derail or catch him or any kind of, you know, gotcha moment so, kudos to him

PERINO: How do you think the democrats will play it Eric, like, do I get out or just let this one go?

BOLLING: I think they're doing -- you're seeing what they are doing. You saw Al Franken, you saw a couple of the other senators trying to give him a hard time and Greg aptly points out that he cop a feel --

GUILFOYLE: Always good to review --.

PERINO: You guys made fun of my gorilla metaphor.

BOLLING: But look, can I step back and here's what I see. I see a very nice guy, like almost one that you can't complain as a Republican or a Democrat. Democrats want to step up there and say they pushed back hard. He is a safe pick though. He's not going to be the wild, crazy right winger that the Sotomayor or Kagan were felt to be on the left.

Remember, Kagan and Sotomayor came from New York City. They're hard left liberals and they still got through. Here's a guy who comes from Colorado. As Kimberly points out, 97 percent of the time no matter what it is, he's in the majority of the opinion. I don't see them pushing back when push comes to shove. I think you're going to get your 60 votes first right away. But you know one thing though, did you watch Ted Cruz question him? I don't know. I was watching that and I was wondering, is this the next and the next one after that, Supreme Court justice talking to each other because they were really getting along famously and I would love to see now Ted Cruz, and that would be a hearing to watch straight through.


PERINO: Well, get your popcorn.

GUILFOYLE: Look at these things that excite you, Bolling.

PERINO: Juan Williams, do the Democrats just want to get this one done?

WILLIAMS: No. I don't -- you know what? I don't think it's done, because you guys haven't mentioned it, but Democrats are still in a stew over Merrick Garland.


WILLIAMS: You talk about someone who is qualified. He's even better qualified than this guy.

PERINO: But Merrick Garland said that he thought that Gorsuch would be a good.

WILLIAMS: Yes, fine, because Merrick Garland is a gentleman. But I mean, the fact is that what you had...

GUILFOYLE: That makes him honest, too.

WILLIAMS: ... a year -- a year -- Republicans purposely, with the most vile political intent, stopped President Obama from having a Supreme Court nominee hearings on Capitol Hill. So you come to this guy and you say, well, let's look at the qualifications. Well, fine, OK.

PERINO: Well, at what point -- I mean, they're not going to get Merrick Garland. They're not going to have that opportunity.

WILLIAMS: No. But why do you...

PERINO: Why not just play with the hand you're dealt?

WILLIAMS: This is what -- this is what Amy Klobuchar, senator from Minnesota said, Dana. She said you have to look at Gorsuch in terms of the world we live in. And he today put on a show about there are no Republican judges; there are no Democratic judges. Oh, my God. Talk about an alternate reality.

The reason that we're all talking about, this as we know, that he will cement a conservative Republican majority on the court, replacing Justice Scalia. People see him, by the way, Eric, even as more conservative than Scalia on so many issues, beginning with things like, you know, gay rights, guns.

PERINO: Did you hear his answer on that today?

BOLLING: He addressed all of those today, Juan, and he didn't sound like he was going to be any sort of activist.

WILLIAMS: He tries -- he tries to pretend like oh, gee, you know, I haven't -- I don't know why you guys are focused on politics.

PERINO: He said the court had spoken on that and that that was settled.

WILLIAMS: No, that was on abortion.

PERINO: That was also on gay marriage.

GUTFELD: You know what you want to do? If you're a viewer at home and you're watching the hearings, for fun, turn on closed captioning when the really old Democrats ask questions. It's hilarious, because closed captioning doesn't work. It's just complete and absolute nonsense.

PERINO: I think I'll try that later.

GUTFELD: It's so much fun.

PERINO: Sounds like a great way to spend an evening.

All right, next...

GUTFELD: Are you mocking me?

PERINO: ... outrage intensifies after a teenage girl in Maryland, she was allegedly raped in a high school bathroom by two illegal immigrants. We're going to have details on that disturbing case when we come back.


BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five." Disturbing details have emerged in the alleged rape of a 14-year-old girl in the bathroom of a Maryland high school by two male students who were both in the country illegally.

One of the suspects in the vicious attack, 18-year-old Henry Sanchez-Milian from Guatemala, was stopped by Border Patrol seven months ago but was not deported. A concerned local resident spoke to Tucker Carlson about her campaign to stop the city from becoming a sanctuary city.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm really for law & order. I've been fighting for this. But when this situation in Rockville happened, it made me really upset because of the fact that a 14-year-old girl was not protected...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... in the high school. And all the money that we in Montgomery County pay for our taxes, which goes to mostly the school, that they have -- they have a situation where they allow illegals to come into high school at 17 and 18, illegal, don't speak English, and have an opportunity to do this kind of crime for a 14-year-old is really very, very disheartening.


BOLLING: Meanwhile, a Montgomery County official is deflecting blame for this attack.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the two individuals that was apprehended was actually stopped by ICE in Texas and released. How is this on us?

This is not on Montgomery County any way, shape or form. We have a police chief who is completely dedicated to public safety; and we are following the rules and recommendations that he has set for it. So this -- this is not on us.


BOLLING: All right, Ms. Kimberly, is it, in fact, on Rockville, Maryland or the Border Patrol in the Texas?

GUILFOYLE: But see, I think this is a perfect example where you have this problem where they're trying to -- finger-pointing this way, but public safety loses out and a young girl like this 14-year-old girl becomes a victim of bureaucracy that isn't working properly. Channels not communicating.

Everybody has to uphold the law on their end for the system to work. And when you have one component of it not doing that, that's when it falls apart, like you see in sanctuary cities.

And I understand what they're saying. Like, they did their job: "This isn't on us. Our police chief is all about law and order and wanting to uphold the rules and the laws to protect people." But there is a serious problem. And I'll tell you, from being a gang prosecutor of gangs coming in here and young gang members, MS-13 in particular, doing human sacrifices, rape, murders, assault. I mean, a tremendous amount of violent and sexual assaultive crimes that are happening by illegals that MS-13 has recruited.

BOLLING: Dana, what are your thoughts on this one?

PERINO: Well, one of the questions, too, is how do you end up with an 18- year-old who has been in a -- enrolled in a freshman-level class because he doesn't have English? And the truth is that, in 1982, the Supreme Court ruled that schools cannot ask about your immigration status. And at the time, the question was really about resources and costs; and the court ruled that it was more harmful not to educate young people regardless of their immigration status. And that's why the school had to enroll him.

So there might be time to -- it might be time to revisit some of this.

Like also, what this young girl went through, if you read the case, is so gut-wrenching and horrible. But also, 30 percent of rapes that are reported happen to girls who are under 18, and very few rapes are actually reported. So this is a widespread issue. This is a terrible case. I do think that they will be convicted and deported.

BOLLING: All right. Let's take a listen to the White House. They also weighed in. Here's press secretary Sean Spicer earlier today.


SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: And the idea that this occurred is shocking, disturbing, horrific and whatever other words that come to mind that someone can think of. Because this is not -- school should be a safe place for children who are there to learn and to feel safe.

But I think part of the reason that the president has made illegal immigration and crackdown such a big deal is because of tragedies like this. But immigration pays [SIC] its toll on our people if it's done -- if it's not done legally. And this is another example.


BOLLING: All right, Greg. So I think they're driving at is the culture, how you treat immigration as a whole when things like what Kimberly aptly points out, this falls -- they fall through the cracks, and bad things happen.

GUTFELD: It's like when Dana talking about how you can't ask about status, and you talk about sanctuary cities. This -- you get collateral damage for romantic, naive beliefs.

If you come out for sanctuary cities of this idea of protecting people because you want to give them an education, that makes you feel good about yourself. And it shows that the conflict that separates progressive and conservative ideologies.

Progressives are willing to risk safety for sentimental ideals. To say, like, "Oh, sanctuary -- We must be -- be more loving." And what happens is you -- a girl gets raped. She's the collateral damage of the progressive war on common sense.

Conservatives realize that safety would actually preserve the sentimental ideals that everybody should have.

BOLLING: All right. Mr. Juan, is -- instances of this, of rape and murder and violence, collateral damage to these sanctuary city programs? Can we clean it up while still having sanctuary city programs?

WILLIAMS: Of course. You have laws. And we -- nobody would sanction or abide sexual abuse of anybody. I think that's pretty horrible.

I have trouble with this whole conversation, because I know 98 percent -- I've said this -- I keep feeling like I'm just repeating myself, but 98 percent of illegal immigrants have committed no crime. And therefore, to characterize the conversation about illegal immigrants or immigration reform in this way, to me, is offensive; because I don't believe that most immigrants who come to this country, a disproportionate number of whom are entrepreneurs who start companies ranging from Google and I could go on.

GUTFELD: Juan, I agree with you on that, but what is the percentage of the general population that commits crime? Is it drastically different? I mean, what would be the percentage?

WILLIAMS: Yes. Yes, it is. Americans...

GUTFELD: Or are you comparing it crime by crime?

BOLLING: I don't think that's accurate, Juan. I think illegals commit violent -- violent crime at a higher rate than the general population.

WILLIAMS: No, no. No, no, no. In fact, I think Kimberly always schools me on this. Kimberly says they committed a crime when they crossed the border illegally. And I say right.

BOLLING: I'm talking about violent crime.

WILLIAMS: But if -- and Kimberly is right, by the way, if you're talking about things like MS-13 and gangs. We have a problem with that, and it's just because you have low-income, poorly educated kids, more vulnerable to those kinds of lures.

But I think we come back to something Dana was talking about. Greg, in response to you, it's not about feeling good from the liberal perspective. I think that people think, "You know what? It's better that we educate people in our society rather than leave them open as uneducated, unemployable people can be exploited or join into gangs." Similarly, with regard to...

GUTFELD: MS-13 are gangs from other countries.

WILLIAMS: Yes, they bring them here. And then they bring in...

GUILFOYLE: Guatemala, El Salvador.

GUTFELD: Re-educate the gangs? It's too late. If they're in a gang, you're not going to educate them out of a gang.

WILLIAMS: Well, I would hope that it's possible.

GUTFELD: And that's not our job. Our job is to put them in a truck and send them to a prison in Mexico.

WILLIAMS: But what I'm saying...

GUILFOYLE: Which they should have -- they should have done effectively at the border, and they could have done that.

WILLIAMS: But this is similar to the argument over sanctuary cities where you see that people say it's better for us. It's not about feeling good. It's better for us, safer for us if you have immigrants willing to talk and share information with police.

BOLLING: Got to go. Right now.

GUTFELD: It's not proven.

BOLLING: I don't think that's proven. I also don't think that -- we need to find out the violent crime rate amongst illegals versus the general population.

GUILFOYLE: There's plenty of ways to report crimes without...

BOLLING: Next, President Trump heads to Capitol Hill to push the Obamacare replacement plan before Thursday's House vote. But will Mr. Trump be able to close his first big deal with lawmakers? Stay with us.



WILLIAMS: We're about 48 hours away from the upcoming House vote to repeal and replace Obamacare. In a high-stakes bid to get the American Health Care Act passed, President Trump met with House Republicans on the Hill this morning. He personally delivered the hard sell.

Sources tell FOX News Mr. Trump warned GOP lawmakers they could lose their seats -- and he'd be involved in helping them lose their seats -- if they don't back this bill. Despite the hurdles, the president is optimistic about passage of the health care plan.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We had a great meeting. And I think we're going to get a winner vote. We're going to have a real winner.


WILLIAMS: So Eric, Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House, says he feels good about this. President Trump says he feels good, but he is twisting arms. He said he will go out and work against people, including some of your friends in the Freedom Caucus, who say they still won't vote for it.

BOLLING: Yes, I saw that, and I'm not sure that he said it that way, and I'm not sure he didn't say it as a joke. A lot of people said he was just -- he was just joking around.

My concern, again -- and I said this from day one -- I wish they would just put this Obamacare thing on the side. Repeal it. We'll fix on -- replace it after we get through the tax reform. It still could happen today. The minute there was some pushback, the stock market fell over. It's down 637 points plus.

WILLIAMS: Uncertainty hurts.

BOLLING: Because they're concerned about, if he doesn't get his Obamacare fixed now, it's going to postpone the tax thing until next year, which would be very damaging.

WILLIAMS: All right. I'm going to ask you...

BOLLING: Can I just tell you...

WILLIAMS: No, no, I'm going to ask you quick question, because we're short on time. Does it pass?

BOLLING: I don't think it passes, and for me to say this is important. If it passed, I would be -- I would be saving so much money if this passes. But when we pointed out that a 50- to 64-year-old with low income, a premium would go from $1,700 to $14,000, that group needs to be fixed. I think Paul Ryan is working on that group, but you've got to fix the Trump voter first before you pass this bill.

WILLIAMS: Dana, I saw your face. You don't buy into the idea that Trump was joking when he was threatening these Republicans.

PERINO: No, I don't. Well, it depends; like, what do you mean by threats? So he might not go campaign there. Or maybe he'll point them out; he'll target them. He actually named some of them, and they weren't shy about that getting out there.

And he's also put some pressure back on the Club for Growth that is running ads against it, saying, "Hey, knock it off."

He wants this done. And I do think it's interesting that the Right to Life Committee is going to score this vote, which means that, if you are a pro- life member, Republican member, that score means a lot to you.


PERINO: So I think that that was one of those incentive points that will help them get this barely over the finish line.

WILLIAMS: You do think it passes?

Gregory, pass or not?

GUILFOYLE: That was a good strategy.

GUTFELD: I don't know.

WILLIAMS: You don't?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I'm going to repeat what I said yesterday, because I thought it was my best point of the year. That Trump is the Coachella of administrations.

I'm thinking about what's going on this week. Health-care bill, Gorsuch, intel hearings, Russia, Trump rallies. He's got how many?

PERINO: Trump rallies for Obamacare.

GUTFELD: For Obamacare. But it's different. It's like -- it's like it's a live show.

So he's got four stages going on, and the press has to keep up with him. So this could be a really big story, and people could be following it, but not as many people are following it. It's in, now, our E-block, because we have four other stages going. Obamacare is, like, the Fleet Foxes at Coachella, and you have Slayer on the other stage, which is Russia. So you have all these things going. Gorsuch is kind of the mellow stage, like Beach House. You have all these bands going, and nobody can keep track.

And the win is in Trump.

WILLIAMS: I go now to Beyonce, on her own stage.


WILLIAMS: Paul Ryan says he feels good in part because they have made slight modifications.

GUILFOYLE: Sean Hannity.

WILLIAMS: Requiring Medicaid people to -- who are able-bodied to work and also rewarding states with lump sums instead of, you know, per capita spending.

GUILFOYLE: Right, so they're going to -- they're trying to make the modifications, some accommodations to be able to get the votes, because they're getting feedback from certain people. It's like, well, if you do this, I would give you the vote. So that's what's going on behind the scenes.

But again, the best person to sell it, to get it done is Donald Trump, mainstage event.

What's next, Juan.

WILLIAMS: "One More Thing," that's what's up next.


GUTFELD: "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: All right so Colin Kaepernick is on the open market, but he's having a hard time getting teams to sign him. You know, he's the guy who wouldn't stand for the national anthem for this year. He said he's going to stand next year, but teams don't seem to want to sign him. Donald Trump weighed in last night. Listen.


TRUMP: There was an article today, it was reported that NFL owners don't want to pick him up because they don't want to get a nasty tweet from Donald Trump. Do you believe that?

Said if I remember that one, I'm going to report it to the people of Kentucky. Because they like it when people actually stand for the American flag. Right?


BOLLING: I think that has more to do with -- maybe not necessarily the tweets, but more of the people -- the people who are signing the checks saying, "Hey, you've got to put butts in the seats, and you're not doing that for us."

GUTFELD: Yes. Awesome. Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, we still don't know about deflategate, but the biggest mystery of 2017 has been solved. Meaning Tom Brady's jersey. We have found it.

Footage was discovered showing Mauricio Ortega, a credentialed media member from a Mexican paper, walking out of the Super Bowl locker room with Tom's jersey. But wait, it gets weirder.

Turns out this isn't the first time Ortega swiped from the Super Bowl. He had one of Brady's jerseys from Super Bowl XLIX along with what looks to be Von Miller's helmet from last year's Super Bowl. The jerseys are currently with the NFL and, of course, the FBI in Boston. Soon to be returned. Tom Brady said he's grateful and that he hopes something positive...

GUILFOYLE: Why do people do that?

WILLIAMS: ... can come from this experience.

Greg, you had a joke about this.

GUTFELD: No, I just said that Tom Brady shouldn't complain. He could just drive 30 minutes to New Jersey. Ladies and gentlemen.

GUILFOYLE: You're stealing Dana's corny joke!

PERINO: And I laughed twice, because I heard it earlier.


WILLIAMS: You're so kind.

GUILFOYLE: Wow, that wasn't spontaneous?

GUTFELD: Oh, go plug a book.

PERINO: OK, I'm plugging a book. This is Peggy Grande. She wrote "The President Will See You Now." She worked for President Reagan for a really long time. It's got amazing praise, including from the former prime minister of Canada, Brian Mulroney, who was a really good friend of President Reagan. So you might want to pick that up. And she sent copies for all of you, which I'll give to you.

GUTFELD: Did you enjoy the book?


GUILFOYLE: And Ed Henry loves it.

PERINO: Ed Henry loves it.

And I also want to say happy birthday to Angie, my sister.

GUILFOYLE: Happy birthday!

PERINO: This is a picture from when she was four in her Wonder Woman Underoos, which I thought was...

GUTFELD: I have those.

PERINO: ... like mean to put up. But -- do you still wear them?


PERINO: Happy birthday, Angie.

GUTFELD: Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

OK, so many of you may have heard about a death that occurred. It was an important individual in the history of Ireland and to nationalists in Northern Ireland. Martin McGuinness, who was an Irish revolutionary with the Irish Republican Army, passed away at the age of 66 in Derry in Ireland.

What was so interesting about his story is he was key to go forward to create, you know, reconciliation between Northern Ireland and the Irish Catholics in Ireland to bring about a peaceful order there, which was really incredible. And in fact, he became a symbol of peace between Ireland and Britain. And it was epitomized by this incredible meeting between Queen Elizabeth when she visited Belfast for the first time in 2012. And he served as the first minister of Northern Ireland from 2007 until this January when he fell ill. Rest in peace.

GUTFELD: All right. Time for...


GUTFELD: I hate these people!


GUTFELD: There's a transition.

All right. You know, when you're in the elevator, and you've got a dog, you've got to keep it close. As appealing as it may sound, I don't need my parts sniffed. All right?

I also don't need a dog's nose in my Chinese food. All right? I order my boneless spare ribs. They're for me. I don't want a dog sniffing it. Would you like me to do that to your dog? Seriously. So just pull your dog back. It's only -- just...

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you hold it up a little higher.

PERINO: Elevator manners are very important for a dog.

GUTFELD: They really are. And...

PERINO: Jasper has them.

GUTFELD: ... I'm a short guy, so it's easy for the dog to get there.

All right. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us.

GUILFOYLE: At least they don't think you're a hydrant and pee on you.

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