This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 20, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
Big day on Capitol Hill, fireworks as FBI director James Comey and NSA Director Mike Rogers testified under oath for the first time on alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. election, as well as president Trump's wiretapping claims. At times, it seemed like there were two hearings going on simultaneously.
The left trying to tag the Trump team for some sort of collusion with Russia and the GOP rightly so trying to get the name of the leaker who gave classified information, like the name of Michael Flynn to The New York Times and Washington Post.
Both sides seemed to land body blows and it was very compelling TV. In fact, I was glued to the screen. I think we all might have been glued to the screen, but one of the big revelations, the FBI chief confirming to the House Intelligence Committee that his agency is investigating potential links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.
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JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: I've been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counter-intelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.
As with any counter-intelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.
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BOLLING: Comey also shot down Mr. Trump's charge that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.
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COMEY: With respect to the president's tweets about alleged wiretapping directed at him by the prior administration, I have no information that supports those tweets and we have looked carefully inside the FBI. The Department of Justice has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same for the Department of Justice and all its components.
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BOLLING: And the White House responded to that.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said there's no information to support the allegation that the president made against President Obama.
SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: AT this time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So is the president prepared to withdraw that accusation and apologize to the --
SPICER: No. We started a hearing, it's still ongoing and then as Chairman Nunes mentioned, this is one in a series of hearings that will be happening. I think there's a lot of areas that still need to be covered. There is a lot of information that still needs to be discussed.
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BOLLING: KG, just about two minutes prior to the show going live, John Roberts sent this email out. This is apparently a statement from Paul Manafort --
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Paul Manafort.
BOLLING: -- directly that says, "I had no role or involvement in the cyber attack on the DNC or the subsequent release of information gained from the attack and I've never spoken with any Russian government officials or anyone who claimed to have been involved in the attack, the suggestion that I ever worked in concert with anyone to release hacked emails or sought to undermine the interests of the United States is false."
He goes on to say very quickly, "despite the constant scrutiny and innuendo, there are no facts or evidence supporting these allegation nor will there be. I'm disappointed that anyone would give credence to the allegations mad by individuals with political involvement in a blatant attempt to discredit me and the legitimacy of the election of Donald Trump."
GUILFOYLE: Yes. So this is pretty much in keeping with what we've been hearing coming out of the Oval Office, out of the White House as saying that the mainstream media and obviously the DNC before the election was held was trying to discredit president Trump, trying to continue to discredit him and then suggesting that people that were advisors to him, you know, and then also people that worked on his campaign had some kind of collusion with Russia to make sure that the DNC and the candidacy of Hillary Clinton was undermined at the expense and then of course promoting and putting forward Donald Trump as the candidate and ultimately the president.
So far, we've seen absolutely no evidence to support those claims despite the fact that they have this ongoing investigation. I think it's smart of Paul Manafort to release a statement to very much be on the offense and say here's what I'm doing. Here's what they've accused me of and put out a clear statement of fact to try to quiet the storm down.
BOLLING: Dana, like I said in that intro, it seemed like there are two hearings going on at once. The left doing very well, they're attacking, you know, these allegations of wiretaps and the collusion that for the first time ever we heard James Comey say yes, there is an ongoing investigation of the ties between the Trump campaign, Trump administration and Russia.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Yes, there's a lot going on today. One is that -- but I believe that James Comey, the FBI director, they actually didn't say the name Paul Manafort. That actually didn't come up until the White House press secretary's briefing today when he described former hangers on who didn't really have a lot of influence, like that -- so, I sort of see Paul Manafort.
He is responding to the FBI but I think also he's responding to the fact that the White House press secretary is the one who brought his name up. I could have -- I think that they could have diffused the bomb a couple different ways today so, meaning the bombshell.
One, I think that when you find out that there's no wiretapping evidence, that one of the things you could say was, I am so glad that no one was wiretapping me. Now we can move on and focus on other things. Instead, they said that there is no evidence of the collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. They said that should be put to bed. There's no evidence, moving on.
But at the same time, the wiretapping claim, of which they say there is no evidence, that that should continue to be investigated so, just ensuring that this story will continue to move on. The other thing the White House could have said and I think they probably will going in tomorrow's papers, is that the FBI director also confirmed again that there was no Russian actual impact on the electoral outcome.
And the third thing I think they could have said was if the FBI says that they're investigating, I encourage anybody who worked on my campaign to fully cooperate. And we are moving on and focusing on other things.
BOLLING: Greg, how is it possible, and Trey Gowdy's questioning was phenomenal. He was pointed. He went right at James Comey and he was trying to get at who leaked the information about Michael Flynn to "The Washington Post" and "New York Times" and Comey kept saying and Rogers kept saying we can't tell you. We're not allowed to tell you. But how is it possible that Flynn was being investigated, yet there was no surveillance of Trump Tower?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I don't know. That's an excellent question and that's why they're having an investigation. What you're seeing are two -- you're seeing two sides of glaring clarity. One believes in talking about the collusion, the other one about the leaks. It's a mirror battle. It's a mirror battle and in my view, they cancel each other out.
When I'm watching this, I'm just watching, it was like, to me, it was like watching a really dull ping-pong game. And the thing is, what I don't understand is, you could -- Schiff was arguing that if there was a change in relations with Russia that is proof. But if you look, it could be -- you could say the exact opposite. You could say if there is no change --
PREINO: Right.
GUTFELD: -- there is proof because that's to hide the fact, like if you did a dirty deal, you then are going to just immediately change your behavior. So, if you can argue that a change in behavior or not a change in behavior is proof, then you really don't have an argument because it can go either way. And remember, if you are colluding with a foreign government, would you actually brag about it? I mean that's kind of genius.
I mean, that would be like walking into TSA and bragging about having contraband. You don't do that unless you are so brilliant. Trump is so brilliant, that he knew that while he was having, you know, Russia help him win an election. He was boasting about it.
PERINO: But remember, I do think one of the keywords that the FBI director said was that you can be a part of an investigation. There might've been someone who was unwittingly --
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: -- helping the Russians like so, they don't even know it.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: So the investigation is more about what Russia was trying to do rather than possibly than other people were doing that. The word unwitting is was the key
BOLLING: Let me bring Juan in.
GUTFELD: I'm always unwitting.
BOLLINNG: We're you shocked to hear FBI Director Comey saying yes, to acknowledge the fact that there is an investigation ongoing. Not able to talk about it one bit, but then when asked is there an investigation in any of the other campaigns, in the Clinton campaign, any of the 17 or so campaigns that were going on, saying I can't answer that question. Then why was he able to answer the question about the Trump campaign?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Are you kidding me?
(CROSSTALK) WILLIAMS: What's going on at this table, Gregory.
GUTFELD: Yes. Yes Juan.
WILLIAMS: I know you like it when I say this, it really kinds --
GUTFELD: Watery (ph).
WILLLIAMS: -- trying to like distract people from the news of the day. The news of the day is that the FBI Director Jim Comey, much hated by the left for his involvement and finger putting on the scales of the 2016 campaign, came out today and said the president's a liar. That's what the FBI director of the United States said about the president of the Unite States.
GUTFELD: You're talking about the tweets.
WILLIAMS: We're talking about the tweets where President Trump said, oh, I was wiretapped.
GUTFELD: You think this is out of relation (ph)?
WILLIAMS: Now the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency, we can go on and on. Nobody is backing up Trump. Republicans are running from Trump.
GUTFELD: But Juan, do you honestly think that that's a revelation that there was no evidence behind one of Trump's tweets? America has gotten used to those tweets.
WILLIAMS: That's fine Greg but you know what, he's the president of the United States.
GUTFELD: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: This is unprecedented.
BOLLING: But also Juan --
WILLIAMS: This is new territory.
BOLLING: And those on the left and even the intel community taking that tweet very, very literally. President Obama actually physically wiretapped Trump --
WILLIAMS: No. It extends to surveillance.
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WILLIAMS: I'm telling you, everybody is saying there was no surveillance.
BOLLING: Explain to me then how do we have a transcript of Michael Flynn's conversation with the Russians?
WILLIAMS: There is nothing complicated about this. They were looking at the Russian ambassador Kislyak and guess what, he was talking to Michael Flynn.
BOLLING: Where?
WILLIAMS: I don't know where, but that doesn't matter.
BOLLING: Well of course some it had to be at Trump Tower.
WILLIAMS: No, it doesn't.
BOLLING: Oh, come on.
WILLIAMS: Of course not. You're just looking for an excuse. You're trying to excuse Donald Trump.
BOLLING: I'm really not.
WILLIAM: Listen, here's the other thing that came out today. You're talking about Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Jared Kushner. How many people in the Trump circle do you have to have dealing with the Russians before you say, you know, I'm a Republican but I think something's wrong here.
BOLLING: Did you hear the question? I can't remember who asked the question. It was very pointed (ph), and he said how long have the Russians been trying to influence American elections? He asked both the NSA director and the FBI director and both of them turned and said, "for decades." So basically it's been going on, as Dana aptly points out, even though they've tried to, they didn't interfere -- they didn't change the outcome of anything.
GUILFOYLE: They don't have any outcomes --
WILLIAMS: They started -- they did change the outcome.
PERINO: Because they didn't have an unwitting player to help them? I mean maybe that is one of the reasons and --
GUTFELD: Maybe it's the ghost of Ted Kennedy. It's a ghost of Ted Kennedy. Remember, he tried to block Reagan by the KGB.
GUILFOYLE: We're so glad you cleared this up.
GUTFELD: Well, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. Finally, the left cares about the Russians. In fact, during the Cold War, they didn't give a damn.
WILLIAMS: And back when Romney was running.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: I think everybody didn't like the Russians, you know.
GUTFELD: No, no, no.
WILLIAMS: World War II --
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BOLLING: So, for whatever triggered this investigation of Flynn was a contact with the Russians that it's been going on for decades. I've got to assume the other campaigns were involved with the Russians and why didn't that triggered some sort of investigation into where Bill Clinton was. He was all over the world talking to people who frankly aren't our friends. Where is the investigation of the Clinton campaign?
WILLIAMS: Maybe it's often the weeds (ph) with you because you are lost on the story. You are trying to divert America's attention from the news of the day and from the reality of what's going on.
GUILFOYLE: Bolling, you're a subversive element.
BOLLING: How is dealing with the Russians any worse than dealing with some Middle Eastern countries that absolutely hate us. How is that possible? He gave speeches. He was making money giving speeches in these countries. He was dealing with --
WILLIAMS: You mean Flynn?
BOLLING: No, Bill Clinton was dealing with --
WILLIAMS: Oh, because I think Flynn is the one who's been making money from the Russians, from the Turkish.
GUILFOYLE: But what about the problem, the leak of classified information? Does anybody care about that? The fact of the matter that they were --
WILLIAMS: Are you kidding?
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WILLIAMS: Leaks in Washington? Leaks?
GUTFELD: No, but OK. But Juan, OK. Let's replace the Russians with ISIS.
WILLIAMS: OK.
GUTFELD: Just so that everybody is clear about how serious both charges are.
GUILFFOYLE: Yes.
GURFELD: If ISIS was colluding in our elections, we'd be freaking out at Fox and also if we were leaking information between Americans talking to ISIS, we'd be freaking out. So we have to remind ourselves that these are serious things and to try to push away the political battles and say both are equally bad and should be investigated.
WILLIAMS: Yes, I agree with you but I don't get your point about ISIS.
GUTFELD: That helps clarify people so --
GUILFOYLE: He's making an example.
GUTFELD: -- as an example, that way we all know that ISIS is evil.
WILLIAMS: I would say that the distinguishing factor here is the cyber intrusion that as a part for what Eric was saying, oh, Russians have always been after us. But it's the fact that they were able to use the cyber intrusion so effectively that all of our intelligence agencies back in January confirmed Russians interfered in this campaign to the benefit and they intended to help Donald Trump.
BOLLING: You were right for the first part. No, no, no. You were right in the first part that they may have gotten access but they testified today Juan, there was no interference. There's no chance --
WILLIAMS: No interference?
BOLLING: Yes. It didn't change any votes and they --
WILLIAMS: No, no, no. They're talking about something else and I think they did change --
GUILFOYLE: Let's get to leaks please.
WILLIAMS: They changed votes because they made it out that somehow Hillary was dishonest.
BOLLING: Dana, final thougt.
PERINO: No, I'm good.
BOLLING: OK, we'll leave it right there. Coming up, more on the huge day on Capitol Hill as FBI director James Comey testifies before the House and Judge Neil Gorsuch faces the Senate at his Supreme Court confirmation hearing, that's next.
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GUILFOYLE: We're back now with more on FBI Director James Comey's testimony on Capitol Hill today. Lawmakers also questioned him about the very disturbing leaks of classified information to the media in recent weeks.
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COMEY: I do think in the last six weeks, couple of months, there's been at least apparently a lot of conversation about classified matters that's ending up in the media and a lot of it is just dead wrong, which is one of the challenges because we don't correct it. It does strike me there's been a lot of people talking or at least reporters saying people are talking to them in ways that have struck me as unusually active.
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GUILFOYLE: I think this is one of the important highlights of what we have discovered today in terms of the news and the media and we'll see who else picks up on it in terms of the mainstream media because to me, Dana, this is significant that there's basically confirmation of leaks of information that was released, which is very disturbing, even going forward.
PERINO: Yes. So leaks are not legal. So if you have a clearance, you sign an oath, you swear that you're not going to do it and leaks can lead to very serious things, like a special prosecutor, where they went after Karl Rove for years for something that, you know, never really -- he didn't even leak the name.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PEPRINO: And so I actually once thought that Congressman Gowdy almost went across the line for me today and talking about specific people and names of people who would've been on the list of this very smallest -- probably like 35 people that would have been able to unmask Mike Flynn's name because now you have a situation where you have people who are public servants, political appointees possibly, but there are others who don't have it.
Who then are on the defensive and have to say, well, I didn't do it. So then you're dragging more and more people into it when it seems to me that the FBI was indicating that they do know where that leak came from and perhaps as part of this investigation that eventually comes out. But it's also -- it's not a crime to report a leak. Leaks -- they've got to figure out how to stop the leaks there but if a leak comes to you, it's not a crime to report it.
GUILFOYLE: Important that the point you brought up was because Trey Gowdy has an obligation to ask the questions and have the transparency but at the same time with an eye towards national security and not revealing information that should remain classified or confidential.
PERINO: Yes. It's not an easy hearing to have.
GUILFOYLE: Very difficult to thread that needle. OK, so Eric, what did you make of the, you know, revelation, the confirmation of what we had been discussing in terms of the leaks?
BOLLING: So, I found that the most compelling part.
GUILFOYLE: Agree.
BOLLING: I think Trey Gowdy as Dana points out, he got to somewhere around 20 people who had the clearance to, as Dana correctly calls it, unmasked. You know, there's naming of the person who is part of the investigation, and it's a U.S. person, it doesn't have to be a person. It can be an entity.
But the point is this it's not illegal to talk about a leak. It's illegal to, in fact, leak and the law has been broken and I think you can listen to testimony you realized that one of the people who had clearance, who had access to it that, to unmask this FISA court warrant and the information has broken the law. And Gowdy was smart to point out that's punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
I mean that's a serious felony violation. So he named a couple of people, (inaudible), but they need to -- and his point was let's narrow it down. Let's get down to the people because after all, this person gave the name of a classified ongoing investigation of "The Washington Post" and "The New York Times," highly illegal. And the point being, OK, so it's not General Flynn next time. What if it's Kimberly Guilfoyle or Juan or Eric or Dana or Greg, you don't want to be that person that's why it's so important.
GUILFOYLE: Well, this matters and as you said, this is something that is criminal. So, they have to get to the bottom of it and today this was very disturbing. I mean Juan, you would agree.
WILLIAMS: Yes. Well, so to me, I mean leaks are -- I mean I think, you know, you want to in fact, from my perspective, encourage leaks for reporters. But the thing that's troubling here, to really come to Eric's point is I think you feel that because Mike Flynn's name was revealed, that was somehow damaging.
BOLLING: It was illegal too.
WILLIAMS: There's no argument about the law but I'm saying I think leaks are a reality, not only in Washington but in the mayor's office, here, in the statehouse here, everywhere. But to my mind, the difference here is the volume of leaks that we heard discussed at the meeting, and the reason for that, Eric, let me suggest to you is that Mike Flynn was the national security advisor and he was being -- talking to the Russian ambassador, and lying about it.
And then you have two of the people that were named today, Sally Yates, who was the acting attorney general, and Loretta Lynch, who was the attorney general. They are identified now as potentially have leaked, put on the defensive, their reputation smeared, but remember, you have the national security advisor to the president of the United States who not only was dealing with the Russians and lying about it --
BOLLING: You're just speculating (INAUDIBLE) this investigation is Juan.
WILLIAMS: What's speculation there?
GUILFOYLE: All right, let me get Greg in.
WILLIAMS: That's no speculation.
GUILFOYLE: Greg.
GUTFELD: I just -- I love the fact that we believe that leaking is a big deal because I felt that way about Snowden and about Bradley Manning, whose leaks were actually worse than this because they leaked 1.5 or 1.7 million documents without even reading them. They didn't even know what was in it. So I'm all for punishing leakers.
I think it's bad but we go to be consistent. And we also have to remember that right now we are looking at mirror outrage right now. Once we sit here and say that this is a big deal and compelling, we are dismissing the other side, which is the Russian investigation and they're doing the same thing to us.
BOLLING: Can I be consistent though? I agree with you. I was the one who said that I think Snowden is a whistleblower and because the NSA was breaking the law. They're unconstitutional and what they're doing is wrong. I also agree that being consistent, is that Michael Flynn was breaking the law. He should be punished accordingly for it. But we don't have then my point to Juan is, that has not been judged yet. This is an ongoing investigation.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no. Mike Flynn has said he had to register as a foreign agent for taking money from the Turkish government and we know that he is being paid.
BOLLING: We don't know he's broken laws.
WILLIAMS: You can't advice -- you can't be the national security advisor and not reveal that you took money from a foreign government.
BOLLING: And he should be punished.
GUILFOYLE: Dana, final thoughts.
PERINO: Well, this is not going to end anytime soon. So you had the president at least a couple days ago saying that he believes that more information will come out in the next two weeks. Reporters are not going to stop on this. Meanwhile, the nation's very important business -- it can sort of go on, so you have the president doing a rally tonight in Kentucky to rally for the American Health Care Act. He's going to Capitol Hill tomorrow to put his shoulder behind it and push on it. There will be a vote on Thursday. Its little attention while you have this going on and exceeding it is not a advisable, I would think.
GUTFELD: The winner is always going to be Putin. He's the winner in this. It is all about fomenting chaos. That's his yoga. It's not about Trump winning. It's not about the -- its appearance that our institutions are failing because his country is failing. This is a wonderful gift.
GUILFOYLE: Change of things, sort of like you --
PERINO: Can I say one last thing though about that in terms of institution. I do think that this says something about the Trump administration and the independence of the Justice Department because FBI Director Comey had to ask permission from the attorney general to be able to reveal what he did today. It was not flattering to the Trump administration and Sessions said yes. So I think that anyone who is a detractor of Attorney General Sessions and worried about his independence should be able to sleep well at night because that's not a problem.
GUILFOYLE: Because he authorized this transparency. There you go. Excellent point. When we return, the latest on the Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Judge Neil Gorsuch. Will democrats succeed in blocking President Trump's pick for the high court, next?
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PERINO: One of the big reasons conservative got behind President Trump is because he vowed to nominate a Supreme Court justice who mirror the late Justice Antonin Scalia. Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee kicked off the process to confirm Judge Neil Gorsuch to the high court. The judge delivered his opening statements before submitting to what will surely be a grueling few rounds of questioning.
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NEIL GORSUCH, SUPREME COURT JUDGE APPOINTEE: Justice Scalia was a mentor too. He reminded us that words matter, but the judges job is to follow the words that are in the law, not replace them with those that aren't. Mr. Chairman, these days we sometimes hear judges cynically described as politicians in robes, seeking to enforce their own politics rather than striving to apply the law impartially. If I thought that were true, I'd hang up the robe. The truth is I just don't think that's what a life in the law is about.
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PERINO: Democrats have vowed to block Gorsuch, and today it seemed like they have no plans to back down.
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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA), JUDICIAL COMMITTEE: I am concerned when I hear that Judge Gorsuch is an originalist and a strict constructionist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do know of any other Supreme Court nominee who was selected by interest groups rather than by a president in consultation with the Senate, as required by the Constitution.
SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL), JUDICIAL COMMITTEE: Cases like TransAm Trucking. It was so cold. It was 14 degrees below. Not as cold as your dissent, Judge Gorsuch, which argued that his firing was lawful.
SEN. AL FRANKEN (D-MN), JUDICIAL COMMITTEE: Judge Gorsuch, having reviewed your decisions and your writings, I have concerns. But if past is truly prologue, then I fear that confirming you would guarantee more of the same.
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PERINO: All right, Kimberly, so when Senator Durbin brings up TransAm Trucking, that was a case -- I just feel like Durbin is not being fair to Gorsuch, because in that case, in the written decision, Gorsuch says, "This is not how I personally believe, but I have to follow the law."
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PERINO: So isn't that what everybody would want? Someone who would follow the law?
GUILFOYLE: You take an oath to uphold the law and sit there on the bench, instead of legislating, put forward your own political ideologies that you try to push, and engaging in judicial activism, which by the way, we're seeing in the review of President Trump's executive order in a shameful way. He's saying, "I'm not going to do that. This is not in accord with my personal beliefs and specifically my decisions should not be. It should be based on the law and upholding it."
So then when I hear senators like Feinstein saying, "I'm concerned, because he's a, you know, strict constitutionalist" and is basically going to adhere to the letter of the law, well, that's what you're supposed to do. I mean, that's exactly the rules that you're supposed to follow. They don't like that because they want them to bend the rules and to make it more favorable to their ideology. And, you know, that's just not the standard.
So good for him, and I think that was a poor example for them to try to use against Neil Gorsuch in his confirmation.
PERINO: Greg, I bet you love opening statement day.
GUTFELD: Well, it's fantastic.
GUILFOYLE: Riveting.
GUTFELD: It's amazing. You know what? Under normal circumstances, under normal administration, this hearing would be a big story. But the Trump presidency is like Coachella or Lollapalooza. There's, like, three or four stages going on at any time. And if you're a reporter, if you go...
GUILFOYLE: That's funny.
GUTFELD: "Do I go see Taman Paolo (ph) over here or LCD Sound System? I'm not sure." And that's the benefit of the White House. The media has to fan out. They have to fan out, because there are so many attractions. Right now, Russia is Radiohead.
But Gorsuch, he's like the better band in the corner lot, like the Melvins. But you're not sure if -- he's not getting the proper audience, because everybody is going over this way and that way. It's brilliant. He's got, like -- really, Trump is the Lollapalooza presidency.
PERINO: That was better than the analogy I used earlier about a raccoon in a room full of disco balls.
GUTFELD: Ooh, I like that. Speaking of raccoons, he raises -- Gorsuch raises farm animals.
PERINO: Yes. Very humanitarian -- big heart.
GUTFELD: With his British wife, Louise, and their two lovely daughters.
PERINO: Thank you, Goodville (Ph).
GUTFELD: Thank you, Wikipedia.
PERINO: Wikipedia. OK.
Eric, this is a big moment that Republicans, conservatives have been waiting for. This is -- this is what they really, really wanted in a Supreme Court justice.
BOLLING: Right, and I think this is going to be the easy one for everyone involved, including Greg, who has to decide what he's going to watch. Meanwhile, you're 100 percent right. You had the James Comey hearing going on.
GUTFELD: Right.
BOLLING: Front and center. That was getting top billing.
GUTFELD: That's Radiohead.
BOLLING: And then Spicer was over here in a little box.
GUILFOYLE: What's that?
BOLLING: And people kept going back and forth to Spicer. Poor Gorsuch has his first day, and no one's watching Gorsuch today.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: But you're right. It would have been a big story otherwise.
GUTFELD: But you would get a better seat at the Gorsuch today.
BOLLING: Front row, instead of like, nosebleed.
GUILFOYLE: Versus Spice Girls.
BOLLING: Once John Allen came on and said, "I'm all in favor of Gorsuch, I think it was" -- look, here's the bottom line. This isn't going to be the big fight. The big fight is the next one, whether it's replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Kennedy or someone else.
PERINO: Juan, do you think the Democrats will try to drag this out and try to force Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, to pull the trigger and go for a 51-vote threshold?
WILLIAMS: There's some people who want to do that, Dana, but I think at the moment, the drag out really is to get it beyond this term. So right now, Mitch McConnell, a Senate majority leader, says, "Let's have a vote before the Easter recess," which I think is around April 14 of...
PERINO: April 14. Something like that.
WILLIAMS: Something like that, somewhere in that neighborhood. And the idea is, if he does, then of course, then he gets into some cases that they will still be arguing after most of this term is gone.
But the idea is, you know what? I don't think that anybody's going to stop him at this point. But the Democrats know that the liberal base associates him with Trump and associates Gorsuch with what happened to Merrick Garland.
And especially today, I thought you saw the Democrats on the committee making it very clear, "We haven't forgotten that you wouldn't even give Merrick Garland the courtesy of a hearing, meetings" so that -- I think Garland might have been nominated in March of last year. So it's been a year. Nothing.
GUILFOYLE: This is -- this is political payback then?
PERINO: It was a year ago today.
WILLIAMS: A year ago today.
PERINO: I believe so.
GUILFOYLE: Markedly different circumstances.
WILLIAMS: I think that's what's going on here is just anger, you know, the kind of partisan head knocking between Republicans and Democrats.
PERINO: Well, you can lose fast or loose slow.
GUTFELD: That's interesting.
PERINO: Thank you.
All right. Ahead, after laying low since the election, Hillary Clinton has reemerged. What she said about her political future, next.
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GUTFELD: So like a rested and ready Big Foot, Hillary Clinton told folks in Pennsylvania that she's ready to come out of the woods. So is this the comeback that America wants? You know, we love it when great bands get back together, but not Limp Bizkit. Not Hoobastank.
Hillary announcing a return, it's like the bird flu announcing a return of the bird flu. Or McDonald's relaunching the Arch Deluxe. Or MSNBC bringing back Brian Williams. Really?
We're living in a reverse episode of "In Search Of," where the vanishing creature keeps looking for you. The Loch Ness monster at least played hard to get. Hillary plays "won't go away." She's the yeti who wouldn't leave. Well, unless of course, she's running for office; then she disappears.
But she announced she's back in Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. True, she did beat Trump there, but he won the entire state; and she lost it because she was MIA. She thought she had it in the bag.
So now she says, hey, you'll be seeing a whole lot more of me. That's the worst thing a loser can say. It's like Rachel Maddow holding up a wad of old government forms she found in a dumpster behind Trump Tower and saying, "Hey, you'll be seeing a whole lot more of these." It's like the husband who promises to do more work around the house after he's caught with an intern, then hires an intern to help him do more work around the house.
GUILFOYLE: That's funny.
GUTFELD: So PA voters, if you think you're seeing things, you're not. That really is Hillary wearing L.L. Bean, chugging a Yuengling at the local, dropping references to Franco Harris. Suddenly the deplorables don't look so deplorable any more.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my.
GUTFELD: Let's play just a little bit of tape of her. It was actually kind of amusing. Play the tape!
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God!
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I do not believe that we can let political divides harden into interpersonal divides. And we can't just ignore or turn a cold shoulder to someone because they disagree with us politically.
So I was thinking, like, "OK. What do we do? You know, walk in the woods." You know, you can only do so much of that. And I am ready to, you know, come out of the woods.
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GUTFELD: Hillary. Hillary -- Dana. Sorry. I apologize. I preempt -- apology. She's talking about ending division. She launched the division. It was all about identity politics, and now she wants to heal.
PERINO: Well, I think the division actually started a long time ago but did launch from them in the '90s.
GUTFELD: Yes, that's true.
PERINO: But I admire anybody who's able to get up off the mat and make a comeback. And -- imagine the humiliation.
GUTFELD: She's getting off the mat. Bill is getting on the mattress.
PERINO: Oh, right. I'm glad you said that. But also, here's the other good thing about this, Greg.
GUTFELD: Low-hanging fruit.
PERINO: Material.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: You'll have material for days.
GUTFELD: That is true. I still say, Eric, reality show. "Hill Billy," her and Bill, maybe with Chelsea.
BOLLING: Very watchable. Very watchable. Another band if we don't care if they come back, The Knack.
Out of the woods? Was this a perfect metaphor for ta campaign?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: "I've been in the woods."
But you know what? Even when -- how do we put this the right way? Like an old crusty animal comes out of the woods, they're still an old crusty animal that wasn't really likeable.
She ran a horrible -- the woods being the metaphor for a campaign. But she's still the same person. She can come out all she wants. She's not going to be president, but as you point out, New York? Mayor of New York?
GUTFELD: I would take her over de Blasio. I'm sorry, guys.
GUILFOYLE: Why do you do this?
GUTFELD: Because De Blasio is the worst person on the planet, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Listen, I don't disagree.
GUTFELD: And Hillary, in a second, would be a better mayor then Bill de Blasio, who is truly Big Foot. He literally is Big Foot.
GUILFOYLE: You should see: the snow is still not cleaned up uptown. What's going -- it's like a mess. And garbage everywhere. It so infuriates me.
GUTFELD: There's worse stories. Worse stories. There's people covered.
GUILFOYLE: There's worse stories all across New York. Trust me, yes.
GUTFELD: Juan, I actually think, you know, maybe -- has she come to a realization that she made some mistakes and now she's going to go seek out the deplorables? And maybe it's a good thing that she's hanging out?
WILLIAMS: Well, if that's the angle you want to take, yes, because guess what? She was in Scranton. She talked about her dad and her granddad.
GUTFELD: Where she's from, right? Parents are from Scranton?
WILLIAMS: The grandfather and the father. She also said it's really important that we not turn away from people we disagree with, that we listen. So this was all Hillary Clinton had to say.
GUTFELD: After she called people deplorables. That was my point.
WILLIAMS: I think there were some deplorable people.
GUTFELD: Bot half of the country.
PERINO: She apologized. She knew that was...
WILLIAMS: Yes, she did. Anyway...
GUTFELD: She apologized because she got caught.
WILLIAMS: She was more apologetic about it than I would be.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
WILLIAMS: But I must say, I think you guys underestimate the remaining power in Hillary Clinton. I think that she is still a power in this country. People are going to welcome her.
GUILFOYLE: What's she going to do next?
GUTFELD: Are you encouraging her to do a third thing and lose three times?
WILLIAMS: No, no, I'm not -- I don't think she can run for president again.
GUILFOYLE: What about mayor?
WILLIAMS: But if you are asking me, is Hillary Clinton a political power in the Democratic ranks? Did Hillary Clinton actually get the popular vote? Yes. Did Hillary Clinton retain image and status as probably the leading female politician in America? Yes.
GUTFELD: She's the Bill Buckner.
WILLIAMS: Bill Buckner?
GUTFELD: Yes. The Bill Buckner. Go away a little bit. Go away a little bit, come back later and have fun with it.
GUILFOYLE: Please don't come to New York to run for mayor.
GUTFELD: Yes. I don't know.
Up next, President Trump leaves behind the drama in D.C. to hit the road for a rally in Kentucky. A preview of tonight's event in Louisville when we come back.
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WILLIAMS: We're a little over an hour away from President Trump's rally in Kentucky. Will the president address today's explosive hearings on Capitol Hill? Especially the one with FBI Director Jim Comey?
FOX News correspondent Kristin Fisher is on the scene in Louisville. Kristen, what are you hearing?
KRISTEN FISHER, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Juan, President Trump actually campaigned in this very Freedom Hall back in May. He won Kentucky by a big margin. But tonight he's going to have some explaining to do, because more than a million people in Kentucky are on Medicaid coverage. That's more than a quarter of the state's population. And a lot of those folks are at risk of losing their coverage under the plan that President Trump is going to be pitching here tonight.
And it's a plan that has pitted Kentucky's two Republican senators against one another. House -- Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is for it, wrote an op-ed today about that. But Senator Rand Paul, one of the most vocal critics against it, he will not be here tonight. Senator Mitch McConnell will, as will the hundreds, if not thousands of people that are already filling this arena tonight.
The other big question is will President Trump bring up what just went down on Capitol Hill? Will he address what FBI Director James Comey just said, given the fact that he's already tweeted about it about six times, by my last count. I'm guessing that there's a pretty good chance that he's going to bring it up here tonight. The first chance that he will have to speak publicly about it since the FBI director Comey's comments today -- Juan.
WILLIAMS: Kristin Fisher in Louisville. Thank you so much, Kristen.
So Greg, what do you think? Is there a chance that he just says, "You know, I'm here to talk about health care. I'm really not interested in this other stuff"?
GUTFELD: I think he'll have a couple of riffs ready, a couple of jokes. People will cheer him on, you know. That's his thing. He's a salesman. He likes to go out there and -- and sell. And I think this is his element. And so while this other stuff is going on, this is the other stage. See? He's got different stages.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: It's like he's got this stage. Now we're going to look at that and we forget about that. It's brilliant.
BOLLING: This is the main stage.
GUTFELD: This is the main stage.
GUILFOYLE: Main event.
GUTFELD: The rally.
BOLLING: The rally, yes.
GUTFELD: This is where he crowd surfs.
BOLLING: He can right and play all his favorite songs over and over again.
GUTFELD: His "Free Bird" is "Build a wall."
BOLLING: Everyone is going to love everything, every song. They're going go crazy.
GUTFELD: "Stairway to the Wall."
BOLLING: But he is going to have an issue in Kentucky. Maybe that's why he did it. Because he has Mitch McConnell on board, I guess, but he certainly doesn't have Rand Paul on board with the health care plan as of now. So maybe...
WILLIAMS: So Dana, what do you think about these rallies? Which are basically Trump supporters, you know, affirming Donald Trump?
PERINO: Well, I like the idea of going out and doing more politicking. I do -- I am curious about the strategic reason for going to Kentucky. I think going to -- but it might make sense now at this stage, because the bill will be voted on in the House on Thursday. This isn't the exact time when you need to pressure red-state Democrats that are up for reelection. That will probably come in the future.
There is some very impressive retail politicking going on by Donald Trump, who called members of Congress on the phone who had already expressed publicly that they couldn't vote for it. They changed their mind, saying that he gave them his word that these people would be protected, and they will end up voting for the bill on Thursday.
GUTFELD: You think?
GUILFOYLE: So I think this is critical to the success of his health care measure getting past. I think it's smart. It's a great opportunity. The timing, the optics of it are very good. I look forward to the crowd surfing. And, you know, this is a smart move by him. Nobody sells it better than President Trump. And he's not getting any favors from his communications team, so he needs to do it himself.
WILLIAMS: A tough shot.
GUILFOYLE: My analysis.
WILLIAMS: She's giving a shot. "One More Thing" up next.
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BOLLING: All right, time for "One More Thing," and Juan, you're up.
WILLIAMS: Well, Chuck Berry, 90 years old, died Saturday. He is the original rock star. Take a look.
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(MUSIC)
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WILLIAMS: Yes, so he was in the first class of the Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame. NASA actually put his music on gold disks and has them orbiting right now in space, because they see it as classic American music.
My favorite, I guess, was "Memphis," which is a takeoff on Muddy Waters' "Long Distance Call." That's a great song. I just love the lyricism of it. Great music, great writing. Thank you, Chuck Berry.
GUILFOYLE: Very good. K.G., you're up.
GUILFOYLE: Fantastic. God bless him.
Well, exciting news for the Trump family. Eric Trump and his beautiful wife, Laura, announced that they are having a baby boy, which is very exciting. Its' the first child for the couple. And of course, it's going to be the ninth grandchild for President Trump.
And Eric tweeted this morning, "Laura and I are excited to announce that we are adding a boy to team Trump in September. It's been an amazing year. We are blessed."
And we also want to say congratulations. Many blessings to you and your baby from us here at "The Five" and FOX News. Very excited for my friends.
BOLLING: Yes. Yes, congratulations. And a little advice to the -- Eric Trump and Laura. Get a lot of sleep now. You've got six months to rest up now.
Dana, you're up.
PERINO: OK so Dame Vera Lynn, you might not know her, but she was known as the force's sweetheart. She's celebrating her 100th birthday in the U.K. today, and they're putting her picture up there on the white cliffs of Dover. Because she said that that was the last site that the British soldiers saw when they were leaving to go to war. She went all the way to Egypt. She's got a whole -- the oldest person in Britain to ever get a record deal. Three days ago, she released "Vera Lynn 100." It's a new album of all of her classic songs.
Just want to wish her a very happy birthday and thank her for all she did.
GUTFELD: Cool, cool. All right. Greg. You're up.
GUTFELD: It is time for this.
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GUTFELD: Dana Perino News.
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GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: Oh, no.
GUTFELD: Interesting. If you are a follower of the game or a player of the game Monopoly, you will be shocked to know that they got rid of three of their classic game pieces. They got rid of the boot -- that's Dana's size -- the wheelbarrow, which is how you're going to now do your gardening work, and, of course, the thimble, in which you hot tub.
So this is an outrage. They're replacing it with -- now get this; they're replacing it with a T-Rex, a rubber ducky, and a penguin, which obviously is, you know, a sop (ph) to the climate change crowd. And also to gold. How tacky is gold? It should be silver the way it was.
PERINO: I know. I don't like it. I don't like that kind of change.
GUTFELD: I am boycotting Monopoly.
BOLLING: Very good. K.G. you had something you wanted to...?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I just want to say Ronan, have a wonderful spring break. He's with his dad, Eric. They're on Delta right now, watching "The Five."
PERINO: Hi there, Ronan.
BOLLING: There you go. Good job.
OK, very quickly, if you're a billionaire, you can do stuff like this. Take a look at this video. Jeff Bezos. Now Jeff Bezos, right there, he's in the middle of that thing. That's a 13-foot robot. Greg, I know this is your thing, but I just had to. A robot video, when it's this good, you've just got to do it. Listen to him.
GUTFELD: Can you get it on Amazon?
PERINO: What is it for?
BOLLING: It's just a -- you know, they -- you're a billionaire. You can have a robot built.
WILLIAMS: But I mean, do they have, like, boxing matches or something?
BOLLING: It's a great video on YouTube. You can check it out. But I'm just saying, you know, you go bigger or you go smaller. What do you do?
GUTFELD: It's actually a naked robot.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. That's your best fantasy. Isn't it?
GUTFELD: Maybe.
GUILFOYLE: I knew it.
BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it right there. Got to love that one. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. Guess what? "Special Report" next.
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