This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 30, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
President Trump's executive order on Friday set off protests nationwide and tonight we clear up widespread misconceptions and misreporting, -- fake news on the action intended to prevent more terror attacks right here at home. First, this from the president today.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Over the last many years, nothing got done in this country. But we're moving things along and we are moving them along fast. We actually had very good day yesterday in terms of homeland security.
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BOLLING: No surprise there's been false reporting by the mainstream media on Mr. Trump's order to temporarily suspend immigration from seven countries -- countries identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. It's not about religion. It's not a Muslim ban. Dozens of other predominately Muslim countries are unaffected by the order. Here's some more from some of the president's top aides.
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STEPHEN MILLER, SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: This is an authority that has been used repeatedly in the past. President Obama suspended the Iraqi refugee program for six full months after two Iraqi refugees were implicated in Al-Qaeda plot in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Our job was to take the current assessment, start there, and then create a 90 day window to come up with a new assessment to put into place.
KELLYANNE CONEAY, COUNSELOR TO THE PRESIDENT: These seven countries, what about the 46 majority Muslim countries that are not included? Right there, it totally undercuts this nonsense that this is a Muslim ban.
REINCE PRIEBUS, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Perhaps we need to take it further but for now, immediate steps pulling the Band-Aid off, is to do further vetting for people traveling in and out of those country.
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BOLLING: Now, I agree with the president. Entering the U.S. is a privilege, it's never been a right. I'd say this is a good start, this E.O. It's a good first step but I would go even further, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, even North Korea, hot beds of terror. Again, that's just my opinion.
But here's another opinion from former President Obama who chimed in on the protest, his spokesman issuing this statement, "American values are at stake. The president fundamentally disagrees with the notion of discriminating against individuals because of their faith or religion."
KG, I got to start with you, I mean the former president doesn't even understand this executive order. Nowhere in that order did it say discriminating against someone because of their religion. Not a single line.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Right, but that's the narrative coming out of it, right. People are saying Muslim ban, that this is discriminatory on its faith, and then you have the federal judges acting to try to stop it. But those I believe will not withstand an appeal. Those are going to fall because they are narrowly-tailed, they were specific, and at this point I think it's going to be able to go forth.
Sure. Is it something that they should have been a little bit better in terms of the rollout on it so there wasn't you know, the scenes (ph). I don't like to give the press an opportunity to them run footage all day long of distraught family members, people separated from a father when someone is about to give birth.
That's bad optics, no one would deny that. So, what do you do to make sure the messaging is on point, that everyone understands where it's coming from and specifically you didn't see any of the mainstream media talking about the fact that these countries were already on the books from president Obama.
That I think is a strong point in their favor to say this wasn't something that arbitrarily that president Trump came up with to try to be punitive to these countries versus others. These are countries already -- they were on these existing lists to watch out for people coming in, terrorists that might do us harm. So, there's a way to get this done right. I think they are trying to address some of those concerns and make sure that the wrong people aren't caught up in this web.
BOLLING: And Dana, they carted nine out of the -- 109 people caught up out of 325,000 were caught up because they were in transit already. They were on their way and they weren't allowed in. Now, the administration says the reason why they didn't give a week or two week heads up is because they didn't want terrorists riding in before, you know, the gate closed.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Which is not a bad defense. So, what Stephen Miller was talking about in terms of Iraq, there was an imminent threat, there was a specific incident, there was a problem in Kentucky where they found the guys and then that's why there was that temporary six- month thing.
Now, if the Obama administration had this list of seven, in the transition, did the Obama administration suggest that maybe there needs to be additional security with these seven countries with this particular issue? I think they said that if they had, I think that Sean Spicer might've put that forward today.
I agree with Kimberly and I have Dana's rule of communication. It's always been my rule but I didn't know it had a name. It is called more is less, OK? More communication means less confusion. So on the back end, after watching all the news coverage over the weekend and some of the broadcast networks last night, I have to say, I have not seen coverage like that since hurricane Katrina.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
PERINO: And, meaning that you have pictures of families. You cannot talk away the photographs. During hurricane Katrina like -- I'm not comparing that these are same two things. Obviously people died in hurricane Katrina. But what I'm talking about the video and it's wall to wall, and the spontaneous protests or maybe they're not spontaneous. Maybe they're paid for by all those people.
Everything is just so confused, but with a little bit more communication on the front end, they wouldn't have to be cleaning it up on the back end and then suggesting that people who were confused had some sort of mal intent that they want to hurt the administration. It was actually pretty confusing until they started to explain it later.
BOLLING: Juan, Dana points that if you watch the evening news last over the weekend in fact, it was completely where I heard Muslim ban or travel ban. It was completely -- it was fake news. We saw fake news for the whole weekend.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Wow, I don't know how this is turning into oppression (ph) of media.
BOLLING: President Obama just -- President Obama made fake news.
WILLIAMS: I don't think so. I mean to me, what happened here and I agree there was not only a bad rollout, it was a lack of proper process for how it was put it in place because they never went to the people at Homeland Security, at the State Department. They never went to anybody even in the intelligence agencies and said what do you think about this and would be the practical effect and let's make sure we're all on board.
According to the news reports that I saw and it wasn't fake news, Eric, the director of Homeland Security, nominated and confirmed, Mr. Trump's own guy said he was on the phone hearing about it when Trump was signing it. So I mean to me --
GUILFOYLE: Talking about General Kelly.
WILLIAMS: Yes, General Kelly.
BOLLING: But the reasons got to be --
WILLIAMS: What good reasons?
BOLLING: -- they didn't want to give --
PERINO: You can't tell your nominee?
BOLLING: Well, listen --
PERINO: Come on.
WILLIAMS: Come on, Eric.
BOLLING: And here's why I call it fake news, I call it fake news because the news reports --
PERINO: Is General Kelly going to leak it?
BOLLING: The news report across the board calling it a Muslim ban, in fact, President Obama called it a religious ban and it has nothing to do with religion.
BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, you see this (ph) one is he was checking a box. He clearly -- Donald Trump is doing exactly what he says he was going to do. He says I'm going to find a way to minimize the chance of a terror attack at home. And if you all come back to what James Comey said in September -- I don't believe Donald Trump was president yet - - he says after we crush the insurgency, hundreds of dangerous people are going to form (ph) primarily through Europe and we might as well be right next door.
That's the reason why he wanted to do it. The execution was off. He got a shell (ph) of a staff. He's just getting used to this. The Homeland Security told to be cautious. There was no communication between local. The Customs Department couldn't get Washington on the phone. So the execution was off.
BOLLING: They had a 109 people --
KILMEADE: So what you're going to do is you're going to slowly -- you're going to slowly watch this dissipate. Tomorrow, it's going to be all about the Supreme Court justice and this thing will come in order. He's checking a box but this got out of control.
He also has to get used to the fact that there are people working --
BOLLING: I don't think it was out of control.
KILMEADE: But there are people working against everything he does.
BOLLING: I don't see anything wrong with it. It's a massive change in immigration policy and they implemented, frankly not bad with --
KILMEADE: How did it go?
BOLLING: It doesn't matter how it goes --
KILMEADE: Because the thing is --
BOLLING: -- because the mainstream media did exactly what Dana said and took cameras to every single airport where there were protests.
PERINO: Well, those things were happening.
WILLIAMS: They happened, Eric. It's real news. We can't make stuff up and living your own reality.
GUILFOYLE: But here's the strong argument of --
BOLLING: When you frame it one way, Juan.
WILLIAMS: I'm not framing it any way.
BOLLING: Not you, I'm saying the media had framed it one way.
WILLIAMS: No.
BOLLING: I don't think they were fair enough, how's that?
WILLIAMS: We are media, OK. We're discussing it, we're having an honest discussion and I'm just telling you even what I heard at this table today, someone said, I think it was you, Brian. You said this was intended to make us safer. But wait a second, none of the major attacks on the United States have been perpetrated by people coming from these countries. They're Americans.
KILMEADE: But this is a step in the right direction and these are countries -- these are failed states --
WILLIAMS: What I'm saying, it wasn't necessary --
KILMEADE: and this is where it's going to come from, but this is -- these are preventative measures Donald Trump got in office to implement. According to a Quinnipiac poll a few weeks ago said 48 percent of the country approved of suspending immigration from the terror-prone regions. So, do it right and you have the support.
GUILFOYLE: But you had the numbers on "Fox & Friends" this morning to show popular support not just amongst Republicans but amongst Democrats to make sure that we have proper vetting procedures in place. And the fact to the matter is, President Trump relied on the exact same laws in sections that President Obama did and that he used in 2011 to prevent Iraqis from coming in.
It's how it's handled, just the communication and the messaging --
WILLIAMS: Allow me to speak to your point.
GUILFOYLE: -- and for sure all of the cameras were out there and covering it because let me tell you something, any drip that they can get from President Trump and his administration, they are going to jump all over it. But guess what, you got to be ready for that because they are going to gun for you. Do not give them any (INAUDIBLE)
WILLIAMS: This is not the equal of what happened with President Obama. President Obama was talking about, as Dana explained earlier, a way that we process and vet people after an incident which it was found that two people who had their fingerprints on the roadside bomb in Iraq were in fact living in Kentucky.
GUILFOYLE: Right, Bowling Green, Kentucky.
WILLIAM: So they said let's change the way we -- let's make it more stringent, the vetting process. They didn't stop allowing people in.
GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. Suspended the Iraqi refugee program.
WILLIAM: They never stop.
KILMEADE: Juan, I believe that you believe that you would feel better with an enhanced screening process in those seven countries.
WILLIAM: We have and we did.
KILMEADE: No, no, enhanced in those areas with a failed government. Then we got to be even more aggressive and set up our own biometric system to check people that we know nothing about. So, we have both (INAUDIBLE) those seven countries. It's all about execution
WILLIAMS: We've done this. We have it, you know, in my opinion, we already have extreme vetting that requires two years, 24 months of process before anybody from Syria can touch down in our great country.
KILMEADE: Well there is Syria here and there's Yemen, Sudan, Libya --
BOLLING: Somalia.
KILMEADE: -- Somalia in another column and he says that's suspended, well, forever.
WILLIAMS: Well let me just say to Eric's point, boy, this has been some terrible rollout. If he says it's cool --
BOLLING: I disagree.
WILLIAM: -- because I'm going tell you where already you have that the terrorist leaders are saying, oh, we love it. We love it. This is evidence where America is agreeing with 100 percent.
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WILLIAMS: Why would the bad guys go after us?
BOLLING: We're going to make them even more mad at us than they already --
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BOLLING: -- made massive sweeping immigration change with not a lot of fanfare and the lead time and they did it with minimal -- 109 people detained for a few more hours. Everyone got through.
WILIAMS: Wow.
BOLLING: No one else is getting detained. It's not a bad outcome if you're securing our borders.
WILLIAMS: You're hurting America here.
BOLLING: I am. I am. Dana.
PERINO: Well, I disagree with that characterization but I do think there's one other thing that they can do that can help and it doesn't necessarily have to do with the media, and that is offer a closed door, no phones allowed, background briefing for members of Congress especially those that are on your side.
Consider a Republican briefing where you send up Mr. Bannon or Mr. Miller up to the hill, no phones allowed, and explain what you're doing so that people aren't caught flat-footed, and then -- because the other thing that's going to happen in addition to what Kimberly was saying is that, why give them any rope to hang you with?
One of the ways that you can prevent that is to utilize your allies on the hill so that they're not put in a position of saying, do you disagree? And on the point -- on the question of the green card holders, that was extremely confusing and they went back and forth three different times --
BOLLING: It took them 24 hours.
PERINO: -- until they got their point. I mean, when you're talking about people's lives, whether it's one life or 109 lives, we are pro-life so, let's not screw up people's lives.
BOLLING: All right, we will leave it right there. Coming up, Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer got choked up over the weekend while railing against President Trump's executive order. The president thinks those are crocodile tears. That's next.
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GUILFOYLE: Good one. All right. Well, over the weekend, protests erupted on major airports and cities across the country following President Trump's extreme vetting order. One of the most vocal critics is Democrat Senator Chuck Schumer who got choked up at a rally yesterday.
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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), SENATE MINORITY LEADER: This executive order was mean-spirited and un-American. It was implemented in a way that created chaos and confusion across the country and it will only serve to embolden and inspire those around the globe who will do us harm. It must be reversed immediately.
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GUILFOYLE: OK. Well the president thinks those tears were just for show.
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TRUMP: I noticed that Chuck Schumer yesterday with fake tears. I'm going to ask him, who is his acting coach because I know very well. I don't see him as a crier. If he is, he's a different man. There's about a five percent chance that it was real but I think they were fake tears.
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GUILFOYLE: In a short while, Schumer, House Minority leader Pelosi, and other Democrats are scheduled to rally against the president's order on the steps of the Supreme Court. All right, well, quite a production. I will say this, when he's looking up and crying, it was pretty compelling versus looking down and reading so, that was -- I want to be a little positive, that was a better performance than we've seen, right. Everybody here is nodding. I wish the camera was showing it.
PERINO: I thought it was authentic. I mean I don't -- I don't want to question people's emotions or tears and we don't know what he had just been talking about with that family beforehand, and maybe he's exhausted because the pace has been unbelievable. The Democrats are in the wilderness and now like, oh my gosh, what are we going to do.
So, I think ridiculing somebody for their emotions is probably not the best way to establish good relations but they're not going to have good relations because Chuck Schumer is a Democrat. He can't get the Democrats to back off of blocking everything that Donald Trump wants to do including cabinet nominees.
So you have all of these agencies that don't even have a head yet and under -- when Obama became president, seven of his cabinet nominees were confirmed on the first day. So I think Chuck Schumer probably is exhausted and who knows what he was talking about beforehand.
GUILFOYLE: All right. So Chuck Schumer's biorhythms are off right now because he's upset. His feelings are hurt, Brian, because he's not getting the things done the way he wants that include cabinet pick.
KILMEADE: There was a time that if you want to solve an issue, you call the person. You can call Donald Trump on the phone. They were good friends. They both say they've known each other for years and say, Mr. President, which of your implementations right, I know what you're doing. Let's try to fix this. Instead there's a series of demonstrations and appearances.
Cory Booker is like let me go to Washington and run for president. Let me go to New York and run for president.
GUILOYLE: Right. Auditioning.
KILMEADE: Let me go to New Jersey and run for president. And then you have Governor Cuomo, he makes a little speech. Everyone talks at each other. No one talks to each other. In the real world, if we want to solve a problem, we solve the problem. Instead, go find a camera and go show emotion. Show how crazy the other person is.
This is really depressing because I was under the false impression that he was going to be someone a lot more amenable to getting things done.
BOLLING: Schumer?
KILMEADE: I absolutely was because I thought he was more --
GUILFOYLE: Because they had a relationship before.
KILMEADE: But not even --
BOLLING: He's far left, I mean --
GUILFOYLE: He is, that they did have --
KILMEADE: But he wants -- but he's practical. But he votes against the Iranian deal. He stood up against bringing Khalid Sheik Mohammed to New York City.
GUILFOYLE: But now he is under pressure -- it's the problem. So he's caving to it now and everyone is auditioning for a side cart (ph), Eric, and what's happening.
BOLLING: Schumer is auditioning to be the most powerful Democrat in the country and that's what he wants and he's doing a darn good job of it. And I would agree with Trump, listen, you know Chuck Schumer long enough. He doesn't -- with President Trump -- he doesn't cry very often, OK. What does he say? The executive order was mean-spirited. This one he got choked up, OK. I'm sorry, I turned to my wife when I was watching that live and I said, you know, I'm not really buying this.
Chuck Schumer is a tough politician. He's not playing around getting choked up about a mean-spirited executive order. Stop it. But he is, Brian, as you pointed out, he is doing a good job holding up the process. The nominees, and guess what's going to come down the pipe? At least one, maybe a second Supreme Court nominee and Chuck Schumer is going to be the lead on pushing back on all of those, the nominees, the Supreme Court justice nominees as well. He's making a name for himself.
WILLIAMS: I don't he has to make a name for himself.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. He's trying to delay Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State right now and he's trying to get consent to run (ph) the Senate to be able to overturn the executive order, that's what's interesting.
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't -- again, I don't think he has to try to become the most powerful Democrat. He is the most powerful Democrat right now as the leader of the Democrats in the Senate where all these fights over the nominees and the potential Supreme Court nominee, that we hear the president is going to announce tomorrow, will take place. And the idea that people would question his sincerity, as you pointed out, this is not a guy who will suddenly --
BOLLING: Well, you know (INAUDIBLE) around politics a long time and do you think Chuck Schumer got choked up right there?
WILLIAMS: Yes, I do. I sincerely do and I tell you something, it's not just Chuck Schumer, and this is what you want to ignore, that there were protest -- they had a Catholic mass last night outside on the lawn of the Capitol. Do you know why? People felt it was a violation not only of the constitution but of their faith to act against --
BOLLING: It wasn't a violation of constitution. We already know that.
GUILFOYLE: It's not a violation.
WILLIAM: I think the people who feel that this was -- that this is not in keeping with our values as Americans.
GUILFOYLE: Maybe of values but the constitution is not a treaty that we honor with other countries.
BOLLING: -- getting shot and blown up by terrorist.
WILLIAMS: There is no -- oh my gosh.
BOLLING: ISIS has promised to infiltrate our refugee program. They promise to do it.
WILLIAMS: Yes, and let me just say, none of the people that have been admitted under our refugee program --
BOLLING: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, well then why don't you say that about American citizens? Who are you going to go after next?
BOLLING: Because if one day Juan that --
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BOLLING: -- you need to go after Chuck Schumer or the media.
WILLIAM: Oh I see. So now you're going to go after anybody of Syrian descent? You're going to go after anybody --
GUILFOYLE: That's not what he said.
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WILLIAM: But I'm telling you, we are screening. It's not like we are dumb. We are small people and we have been protecting ourselves.
GUILFOYLE: Juan, this is not illegal -- Juan, this is not illegal. These are laws that are on the books. It is not unconstitutional. And keep in mind that rights and privileges are afforded to citizens of the United States and the U.S. Constitution is not a treaty with other countries for everyone to do whatever they want. We have an obligation to keep the country safe.
WILLIAM: No, but we have in our constitution -- we say we do not discriminate against people based on country of origin, nationality, religion. And when you start doing this --
GUULFOYLE: And this isn't a blanket ban. This is the same proper vetting that takes place before we can allow --
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. In other words, don't worry about the country where Trump has business deals but we're going after everybody else, and we won't go after --
GUILFOYLE: OK, this is the list of President Obama had. I would have loved besides (ph) the news conference. Thank you President Obama for this list and we're going to continue to then go forward with the seven countries that you have used in 2001 and then again in 2001 and four other subsequent --
WILLIAMS: We did not touch immigration from those countries, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: OK, all right, Juan.
WILLIAMS: We did not.
GUILFOYLE: I'm going to send you upstairs to the brain room. We're going to hang out there for a little bit after the show. Brian, you had one more thing because I'm getting -- KILMEADE: Yes. No, no. If I don't get Martha MacCallum I'm going to --
GUILFOYLE: Wow. You're right. Martha MacCallum is going to make it all better. I know it. And she's going to join us live from the White House, next. She is interviewing several special guests tonight on "The First 100 Days" at 7:00 p.m. eastern. Take her off right there. Find out who, next.
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PERINO: Welcome back to "The Five." Tonight, three of President Trump's aides will appear on "The First 100 Days" at 7:00 p.m. eastern. Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, Deputy National Security Advisor K.T. McFarland, and Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Here's a sneak peek of Martha MacCallum's interview with McFarland on the controversy over President Trump's the temporary immigration restrictions.
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K.T. MACFRALAND, DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: I think that the surprise in Washington is that Donald Trump is actually doing what he said he would do on the campaign trail. I mean he said we have to take a look at our visa and immigration system. And he's had the very good example of looking what our friends and allies in Europe were coping with.
We want to take a look at our system. We know that some of the attacks in the country and some of the foiled attacks were from people who may have been in this country legally, illegally -- what's the system? So he hasn't banned anything. He just said let's take a pause.
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PERINO: What else can we expect tonight? Martha joins us now live from the White House. It's good to see you there Martha.
MARTHA MACCALLUM, THE FIRST 100 DAYS SHOW HOST, FOX NEWS: Hi Dana, good to see you all too.
PERINO: So what else can we expect from tonight?
MACCALLUM: You know, it's fascinating to sit down with K.T. McFarland this morning. Our viewers obviously have known her as an analyst covering foreign policy for Fox News, but now she is a member of the administration.
So we sat down with her to press her on some of the issues that they're facing. And the NSC obviously was in the headlines in a big way over the weekend when they rolled out their memorandum on how they would organize these meetings of the primary group that meets -- the Priorities Committee, and who was going to be on that.
It got a lot of attention that Steve Bannon was listed by his title, chief strategist, that he would be in everyone of those meetings. Now, the argument is that in the past, Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod sat in on those meetings. Karl Rove did not sit in on those meetings, as you well know, Dana. But the fact that he was named, or his title was named, raised some eyebrows, along with the fact that the DNI and the chairman of the joint chiefs was listed in the group who would attend, basically, as needed, that they would be there when the subject matter pertained to what they were talking about. But they made some refinements on that even today.
PERINO: All right, we're going to take it around the table. Brian, you want to start?
KILMEADE: Yes. Just to follow up on that in particular, I think the most disturbing thing was the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was told, "You don't go in. We're going to send in Bannon." That is not the case. That was clarified a little bit later. Right? So this is a council that would meet without the president. Is that correct, Martha?
MACCALLUM: Yes. When we spoke to K.T. about that this morning and we also got some more information on that from Spicer in the afternoon, the DNI, they feel that the chairman of the joint chiefs and the DNI will be in basically almost every meeting.
I said what kind of meeting would they not be in on? And K.T. basically said, "Look, if we're dealing with a homeland security issue, which is grouped under this larger umbrella now, as well, you know, a flooding, a natural disaster in the country that doesn't necessarily line up with something that they would have to have to be part of, we're not going to burden them with extra meetings, was the way that it was put, and put them into that group, as well.
But, you know, during the course of the morning, it was interesting, because when Sean Spicer came out, he said the CIA director, Mike Pompeo, who we know the president thinks very highly of, is going to be in every one of those meetings.
KILMEADE: Right.
MACCALLUM: So they definitely had to do a little bit of backpedaling. But I think one of the prominent things here is that they wanted to make it very clear that Steve Bannon was going to be in those meetings. And later on today, they said, well, he might not be in every single one. But usually his name, his possession, would be enumerated on that list, and that was what was different.
PERINO: All right. Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: OK, well, obviously, you know, he has the confidence and trust of the president, as he has all along.
Now I just wanted to ask you, did they touch on at all some of the news that we saw this weekend, Martha, with the problems that were happening at the airport and the vetting? Because there were, you know, some optics on that that wasn't great for the White House.
MACCALLUM: Clearly, Kimberly, as you say. And, you know, they felt that this was a temporary ban. They wanted to make that clear. And they feel that the president is following through with exactly what he said he would do during the campaign, and that was extreme vetting. And that he believed that people expect him to follow through with what he promised and that that's what he's doing.
You know, I do think when you look at the numbers of people who were detained, compared to the numbers of people who were out there traveling, that this was, in some ways, perhaps an overreaction. There were very few people held, and most of them were already cleared. It was -- you know.
I also feel that, you know, based on what they were saying today, that they believe that, you know, if they had given too much of a heads up to this, they would have had a rush of some people to get across the border in the meantime.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
MACCALLUM: And that was an important security concern. That was something they clearly emphasized today, as well, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, that's a great point. Because he's always said, don't telegraph. That was his criticism of President Obama, to the people that would try to do us harm, to come in, if they had advance notice and they'd be able to infiltrate, which was their intention. Thank you, Martha.
MACCALLUM: You bet.
PERINO: OK. Eric.
BOLLING: Martha, have you done all three of these interviews already? Or any of them remain to be done?
MACCALLUM: Yes. We spoke earlier.
BOLLING: OK, I'm just curious. Did the idea -- I'm not sure when you did these -- but President Obama weighing in on this whole, you know, temporary moratorium on travel, did that come up at all? Or did that happen after?
MACCALLUM: It sure did, Eric. Right before I sat down with Kellyanne Conway, that came across; and it was the first time that we've heard anything from President Obama since he left office. And it was very significant, obviously, that he spoke out and said that he felt that what was happening with this travel ban, temporary as it is, basically was a shock to American values and that he was very supportive of the protesters out there.
And Kellyanne responds to that, and she says, you know, he -- obviously, he can say whatever he wants. He's an American citizen, and he can certainly weigh in.
But she also talked about being very careful when it comes to security concerns. And whatever people say and however people weigh in, much less the former president of the United States, is significant.
And, you know, in my mind, her take on it was that she was circumspect about whether or not that was a wise thing for him to do. You'll hear exactly the way she answered it when we show you that interview tonight a little bit later on, Eric, at 7 p.m.
BOLLING: Definitely going to watch it. Thank you.
PERINO: We have one more from Juan Williams. We're not going to let you go yet.
KILMEADE: Yes, what's going on there?
PERINO: Juan Williams.
MACCALLUM: Hi, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Hi. So the other two people you're interviewing are Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who is now, I think the principle deputy press secretary.
MACCALLUM: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: Behind Sean Spicer. And Kellyanne Conway. And I was -- yesterday Kellyanne was on FOX News Sunday with Chris Wallace and got into a big back and forth over the kind of treatment that the Trump administration has received from the press. And I think she's doubled down on this now and says the press should be cleaning house. Does she follow up on that with you?
MACCALLUM: We did speak about that, and it also came up when I spoke to Sarah Huckabee Sanders. And, you know, they basically said they do believe that some members of the press basically wake up in the morning with the idea that they want to pick apart whatever they can and find what's wrong with what the administration is doing. And I think, you know, they may be right about that in some cases. You guys talk about this all the time.
But what they're asking is that people look at the policy, look at the promises that were made on the campaign trail, and see how they're measuring up. Obviously, we have to hold him to what he promised when he was out there campaigning, Juan, and see how it matches up. That's one of the sort of basic motivations of our "First 100 Days" show, is to put that measure out there and see how it stacks up.
He's obviously working at a rapid-fire pace, as we've all witnessed, over the course of ten days. Behind me, the parade stand is still up. It's a stark reminder to me this morning. They haven't even taken that thing down yet. That's how quick this is.
They also -- nobody has hung any pictures in their offices. We were all over the West Wing today; and they haven't had time to, you know, do anything to get settled in, because they've been working nonstop. Which is no surprise.
KILMEADE: Well, yes, quick thing, Martha. Do you keep in touch with Hemmer?
MACCALLUM: All the time. We text each other all the time. You know, we do -- obviously, we keep in touch. We're very close friends.
KILMEADE: I want to make sure.
MACCALLUM: And we're weighed in (ph) all the time. And we also get together, as you know, every Wednesday on "Kilmeade and Friends."
KILMEADE: Yes, that's most important. Thanks a lot, Martha.
GUILFOYLE: Great job, Martha.
PERINO: All right, Martha. Thank you so much.
Don't miss "The First 100 Days" tonight and every night at 7 p.m. Eastern.
Ahead, President Trump's Supreme Court announcement is coming sooner than expected. It's happening in prime time tomorrow night. Hear what the president said about his pick today. That's next.
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WILLIAMS: President Trump was supposed to make his Supreme Court announcement on Thursday, but this morning we learned it's going to happen in 24 hours.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have a big decision that I've made, a very big decision, on the United States Supreme Court that is going to be announced tomorrow night from the White House at 8 p.m. A person who is unbelievably highly respected, and I think you will be very impressed with this person.
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WILLIAMS: Sources tell FOX News the two front runners for Justice Scalia's vacancy are federal appeals court judges Neil Gorsuch and Thomas Hardiman. Do you know these guys, Dana?
PERINO: I know Neil Gorsuch. He worked in the Bush administration. He has also, I think, been confirmed unanimously to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals. He was very instrumental as a judge in the Little Sisters of the Poor case from last year and several others. And I think he is well-known.
Judge Hardiman I do not know.
I do think that it's interesting to note this. This is the earliest that a Supreme Court nomination has happened this soon in an administration in modern history. The good news for the Trump team is that, on the Senate side, on the Republican side, you have veterans of four recent Supreme Court nominations: Roberts, Alito, Sotomayor and Kagan. So they will be supportive.
In addition to that, there's a group called the Judicial Crisis Network. That's a group of conservatives, led by Carrie Severino. They have a $10 million fund in order to help support the efforts to get this nominee confirmed. And so I think, when you look at the nine vulnerable Senate Democrats who are up for reelection in 2018, that they will feel some pressure, including Senator Manchin, where Donald Trump won by 36 points or something, 42 points. Heidi Heitkamp from North Dakota, Trump won by 26 points there. I think you'll see that there will be some Senate Democrats that decide to go ahead and confirm this nominee, whoever it is.
WILLIAMS: So Eric, there was some concern, I think, in conservative circles that Gorsuch, who now looks to be the favorite, as we sit here today this afternoon, has not written on abortion. Do you think that's a problem?
BOLLING: I don't know. So the common wisdom is Gorsuch or Hardiman, two strong-willed people, independent men. Hardiman drove a taxi to put himself through school. I think that's fantastic.
One of the issues, though, is not this first Supreme Court justice nomination. It's the second one. So if let's just say Gorsuch is the first one. He gets confirmed because of what Dana points out, that this could be an issue.
The second one could be Justice Kennedy. Justice Kennedy has indicated he may retire. If he does retire, then the Democrats have something, really, to fight about. That's a big one.
WILLIAMS: So in fact, though, I think Kennedy might be looking to see, is this a hard right nomination or is it a mainstream nomination? What are you thinking?
GUILFOYLE: I think that the president has the obligation and the good sense to put in the best candidate, the most qualified, the one that is most consistent with his campaign promises. And I think people are really going to be looking, those who supported him strongly. When people said, listen, if you're going to decide at the end of the day, and you're a one issue voter, the Supreme Court. Do you want Hillary Clinton picking the next Supreme Court justice? Many people put President Trump in based on the list that he gave and he proffered ahead of them. Both of these are outstanding choices. I mean, tending in one direction for more conservative, despite the lack of written opinion on abortion, I think it's Gorsuch.
WILLIAMS: I'm going to let you go, but I am curious by what you would do if you were a Democrat.
GUILFOYLE: That would be the strongest pick.
WILLIAMS: And you know that the Republicans stalled and prevented Merrick Garland, who's very mainstream, from getting...
KILMEADE: And there's one out on the West Coast, is a congressman who says, "You robbed us of a seat with Merrick Garland, and we're going to make you pay for this."
And we see Schumer crying or not crying yesterday. He might dig in for this fight. We might end up in a nuclear option.
My hunch is, I think we got a clue. When Schumer came out and said a non - - a nonmainstream candidate, that's the problem. Well, I ask a question for you. Is Justice Scalia a nonmainstream candidate? If the answer is yes, then he's not going to vote for him. He's going to pressure the Democratic caucus not to vote for him. But that's exactly what these two guys are. So it's game on. More unchartered territory. It's going to be ugly.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think the Democrats feel that way, too, that it was unfair what happened with Garland.
PERINO: But I do think -- I do think there is a difference, in that you had an outgoing president with a vacancy.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Outgoing. Nine months? That's a long time.
GUILFOYLE: Nevertheless.
WILLIAMS: Celebrities unloaded on President Trump at the SAG Awards last night. It seemed like all of them had something to say about his extreme vetting actions. See that when we return.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, God. This is painful.
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KILMEADE: All right. Believe it or not, politics took center stage at the Screen Actors Guild Awards last night, shocker.
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ASHTON KUTCHER, ACTOR: Good evening, fellow SAG members and everyone at home, and everyone in airports that belong in my America.
JULIA LOUIS-DREYFUS, ACTRESS: I am the daughter of an immigrant. This immigrant ban is a blemish, and it is un-American.
WILLIAM H. MACY, ACTOR: I would like to go against the stream this evening and thank President Trump for making Frank Gallagher seem so normal.
DAVID HARBOUR, ACTOR: We will get past the lies. We will hunt monsters. We will, as chief Jim Hopper, punch some people in the face when they seek to destroy (UNINTELLIGIBLE). And we will do it all with soul, with heart, and with joy.
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KILMEADE: That was David Harbour. So that's -- you wanted to know who it was. It's hard to imagine who could be angrier, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: I know, but he's like, "We're going to punch people in the face?"
KILMEADE: Right.
GUILFOYLE: Punch yourself. Like that's a good idea?
KILMEADE: The only one more outraged than you was Winona Ryder making faces right next to him, down below. It was totally bizarre.
Juan, do you say to yourself, "What do Hollywood celebrities think, and then I'm up with my opinion?"
WILLIAMS: No, but they have a platform. I mean, I wish Greg was here, because I know he would mock me.
GUILFOYLE: Is that Biden massaging her?
KILMEADE: Look at her face.
WILLIAMS: Yes. But the idea that people are upset, I don't get it. Where are you surprised?
KILMEADE: No, I should not be surprised, but they were kind of quiet at the Golden Globes Awards, except for the one.
BOLLING: How were their ratings?
KILMEADE: They are about half of what they were. In 2015, you got a 4. 2016, 2.6. And the words is, it's expected to be lower than that.
BOLLING: Lower than that. So I guess it doesn't work out.
PERINO: Wait until they hear that he's pulling out of the Paris climate treaty. That happened today, too.
KILMEADE: As a nation, we're going to run out of oak tag, to make signs.
PERINO: You know what I think the White House should do, just to screw with Hollywood a little bit? Is to come up with something that they have to praise, something that they've wanted forever, that's like an easy gift, to just to get them on tape having to praise him.
GUILFOYLE: Poor Chuck Schumer. He's going to become very dehydrated.
KILMEADE: He really is. Listen, we have nothing more to say except for there's "One More Thing." Next.
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GUILFOYLE: I thought I lost my audio.
PERINO: It's you.
BOLLING: Juan had a really good story he was telling me turning the break. All right, Juan, you're first.
WILLIAMS: All right. Here we go, Eric.
Google -- Google had a surprise honor today for someone you've probably never heard of. His name is Frank Korematsu. And after all the controversy over the president's travel ban, Korematsu's life is a reminder of America at its very best and its most inclusive part.
He was a Japanese-American arrested in 1945, sent to a Japanese internment camp. This happened after he had enlisted -- tried to enlist in the U.S. Army but was turned away because of his ethnicity.
So he appealed to the Supreme Court, but he lost, a ruling still considered a blemish on the Supreme Court's record. When his conviction was finally dismissed in 1983, he said, instead of receiving illegal pardon, he wanted an assurance that the U.S. government would never do something like that again. So he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1998 for his dedication to civil rights. He would have turned 98 today. Happy birthday, Mr. Korematsu.
BOLLING: Very good. K.G., you're up.
GUILFOYLE: In other well-wishes, we all want, on behalf of "The Five," to extend our heartfelt congratulations and well wishes for -- look at that wonderful president George H.W. Bush. Because earlier today, he was discharged from Houston Methodist Hospital after being treated for pneumonia. So we're so happy to see that he was released.
And according to a spokesman, President Bush is very thankful for the many prayers and kind messages he received during his stay, as well as the world-class care that he received from both the doctors and the nurses that they provide.
Now, keep in mind, he is 92 years young. He is the nation's oldest living former president. So we wish him well. God bless him and his family.
BOLLING: Yes, absolutely. God bless.
OK, did you hear about this illegal alien plan that's been floated? You hear about the securing a border, hiring the record number of border agents, or how about the deportations, doubling the number of deportations of criminal aliens. And this one, barring welfare to anyone who's an illegal alien. Well, big plan, right? Do you know who proposed this plan? Take a look.
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BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We are a nation of immigrants, but we also are a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse...
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BOLLING: OK, they're telling me to go. That was William Jefferson Clinton. That's what I had. We'll leave it right there.
Dana, you're up.
PERINO: OK, so we told you about "Short Stories." We -- Greg and I did the show on Saturday night. It was pretty fun being in Washington, D.C. Greg, of course, was very funny. I was more funny. We sold books. Greg sold a lot of books, but then they would say, "We already have Dana's." So that's how I was able to get back at him.
Larry Gatlin was amazing. He's a lot of fun. Flag Jasper was there.
People even asked about my sister's diabetic cat, because we talked about it on the "I'll Tell You What" podcast with Chris Stirewalt.
And there is a picture of Aisling O'Keefe, our friends from South Carolina. And she made her parents bring her to the show, and it was really good to see her. So...
GUILFOYLE: And your outfit was cute.
PERINO: My outfit was so cute.
GUILFOYLE: I strongly approve.
BOLLING: Is there -- more "Short Stories"?
PERINO: Not yet. "Short Stories" is paused.
GUILFOYLE: Volume two?
BOLLING: OK, Brian is up.
KILMEADE: All right, a lot of people wondering how Bob Kraft and Donald Trump became such good friends, the Democrat from Massachusetts and a rich guy, billionaire from New York. And here's why. He told Gary Myers today, Robert Kraft, that when his wife Myra died a few years ago, Donald Trump not only came to the synagogue for the service. He came back for memorial week. And then he called him every single week for an entire year. That built a friendship that was impenetrable. That's why he was at the inauguration.
And that's why you can't blame him if he's pulling for Tom Brady, who called him on inauguration day, as well as Bill Belichick, who also supported him. Robert Kraft, the Democrat from Massachusetts, the Republican president. That is a bond that is pretty secure.
PERINO: Do you think he can get his Super Bowl ring back from Putin?
KILMEADE: That's a true story, right?
PERINO: Yes.
KILMEADE: He has a lot of them.
GUILFOYLE: You wonder if they talked about that, Dana, on the phone.
BOLLING: The story was that he -- Putin wanted to try on Kraft's Super Bowl ring.
PERINO: He offered to let him try it on.
BOLLING: Kept it. Kept it.
PERINO: And he put it in his pocket and walked away.
KILMEADE: That didn't come up on Saturday, nor did the sanctions. So those two issues did not pop up.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, you were there?
PERINO: We've got four to eight years.
KILMEADE: If Donald Trump shows up at the Super Bowl, he will be the first sitting president to do so.
BOLLING: Trump with O'Reilly maybe.
Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" next.
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