This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 5, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Lisa Boothe and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5:00 in New York City and this is "The Five."
It's been nearly a month since election day but the mainstream media is melting down over the reality of a president Trump.
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MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT: Why is this not government intervening in the private sector. I know the glass is half empty tendency of many in the media.
CHUCK TODD, MEET THE PRESS HOST, NBC: No, it's not about the media --
PENCE: You saw what happened here.
TODD: The media -- hitting the media is always a crutch for you guys. It's not about the media.
PENCE: It's not a crutch.
BRIAN STELTER, RELIABLE SOURCES HOST, CNN: The way Donald Trump lies has people rethinking some of the basic premises of journalism, like the assumption that everything a president says is automatically news. I think Trump does it differently than past presidents. His lies are different and deserve scrutiny.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Never in a million years could I have imagined myself on the stage in New York re- appealing for the safety and freedom of the American press and I base that on obviously Donald Trump's rhetoric against the press. I feel I have to stand up for my own tribe in the United States.
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BOLLING: The president-elect took to twitter to hit back at the media. He say, "If the press would cover me accurately and honorably, I would have far less reason to tweet. Sadly, I don't know if that will ever happen."
Now, Chuck Todd, Brian Stelter and Christiane Amanpour, three journalists with decades of quality reporting under their belts, somehow allowing the idea of a Trump presidency to throw even these veteran journalists off their game. I'd say Trump is living rent free in the mainstream media's heads and I love it. Greg, we'll start with you on this. These people wouldn't normally be saying some of the things they're saying.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, you know, it is the pendulum swing, you know. Remember, President Obama lived in our heads for eight years.
LISA BOOTHE, GUEST CO-HOST: He's still there.
GUTFELD: So he's still there. But the great thing is, the point you're making and the point what I'm making is the media is the yellow cab and twitter is Trump's Uber. He's found a different way to get from point A to B without their help or interference. And you known when -- what's the young fellow from CNN, Stelter? He says that --
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: The young fellow.
GUTFELD: He says Trump's deceptions are different.
BOLLING: His said lies.
GUTFELD: Lies are different. OK, the conduit is -- the conduit, the way they are delivered is different. President Trump traffic in a lot of lies and a lot of bad ideas, but the transportation model was the "New York Times," "The New Yorker," NBC mainstream media. Remember, these are the lies. Now, these lies weren't on twitter.
These lies were in mainstream media. Women make 77 cents on the dollar, fracking is harmful, police shootings are up, global warming is killing polar bears, Cuba gives great health care, Michael Brown is an innocent person. These were all falsehoods perpetuated in mainstream media. So you can say that Donald Trump perpetuates deceptions. They are nowhere near as big and as widespread.
BOLLING: So not only that, the yellow cab media -- yellow cab for President Obama. If they won't pick you up, what do you have to do?
GUTFELD: You got to go --
BOLLING: Call an Uber.
GUTFELD: You got to call an Uber.
GUILFOYLE: You got to call an Uber. You all say two times rate, just pay it. Yes, that delivers. Look, you know, obviously, they are upset. They called it wrong. They got it wrong. They're getting a lot of backlash about this and he found a way to go around them. He's like I don't need to go and play by your rules. I'm going to take it directly to the people. Take my case to the American public and see if they feel ready for this movement and what I'm talking about.
And the answer was, resoundingly, yes, they were. And you saw that across the country in the number of counties that he won, the number of people that came out to his rallies and to support him. And still for some reason, the media needs like a little safe space to handle it, and that's, you know, disappointing. You got to put on like your big boy pants, cover the news. It's true, or whatever.
GUTFELD: I'm going to wear mine.
GUILFOYLE: You can't fit in those.
GUTFELD: Mine are shorts.
GUILFOYLE: Yours are like mini-shorts. Dolphin shorts. Whatever it takes, whatever fits you -- and deal and cover the news responsibly and accurately and like grow up about it, right. They had a honeymoon with Obama now, the rest --
BOLLING: Juan, can I ask you to make some -- bring some clarity to Chuck Todd, a veteran journalist, a friend of mine as well. I mean he just --
GUILFOYLE: Not anymore now.
BOLLING: Well, not but, why did he change it into hey, you know, you're using -- you're taking a shot at us as a crutch when he was asking Mike Pence a very serious question? I'm not sure why these veteran journalists are off their game. Are they that angry there's a Trump presidency?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No. Look, I think they're disappointed if you want to know. I think most of them are liberals if that's your point. But what you got here going back to Friday when Trump came out, right. Trump goes after the press, despicable, these people are liars, they are right back there, we got them in a pan, and then the crowd hoots and hollers, and he calls them out by name, and he talks about, oh, an anchor crying at the election, you know.
So, he is playing a game with the press. The troubling part of it is, you know, if you look at PolitiFact, it's like 70 percent of his claims not true and people say, well, it doesn't matter. It's Donald Trump. It's symbolic what he just said. Don't take him literally.
But if you're in the press, your job is to hold powerful people accountable. You're supposed to call them out every time. You're not supposed to be their buddy. But Trump only wants buddies. He only wants people who can call him --
GUTFELD: Can I just respond to that real quick and then -- OK, so you're talking about -- there are small things -- believe me, I called Trump on a lot of them on things like -- but the media let President Obama and most liberals get away with the big themed ideas. The ideas that over time bankrupt the country.
BOLLING: Yes, but Lisa -- we'll just take that. So the media is supposed to uphold the office of presidency accountable. We haven't really seen that over the last eight years.
BOOTHE: Look, the media -- Juan is right. The media's job is to hold the candidates and politicians --
BOLLING: You should never start a line with Juan is right.
BOOTHE: The only time --
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GUILFOYLE: You're going to get a little a shock collar.
WILLIAMS: Oh boy, oh boy.
BOOTHE: I just don't want to inflate (ph), you know, but no, the media's job is to hold people accountable. But who's holding the media accountable? And that's the big problem. The press has been able to run amuck and nobody has held them accountable. And as someone who has worked for Republican candidates, for Republican members of Congress, the bias is real.
And Juan even pointed that out, the fact the majority of the media is liberal and the scrutiny that is given to Republican candidates, Republican politicians, Republicans and members of Congress is a lot more amplified than it is to the Democratic Party.
So the thing I like about Donald Trump is the fact that he is not dealing with any of that. He has held them accountable and he has essentially rendered them useless because he was able to figure out a way, Uber or you know twitter, whatever you want to call it.
He's been able to find a way to bypass them and to get his message out. He did that with twitter. He did that with his town halls. He did that with his Facebook live. And I think that is a good thing because it's time for Republicans to stand up to the media and to stop taking it.
BOLLING: Well, it's how they exactly did that over the weekend. As a (inaudible) of media royalty freaked out about being called out by the president-elect via twitter. Some political (ph) defended president-elect Trump's use of social media to communicate with American.
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PAUL RYAN, SPEKER OF THE HOUSE: He is communicating with people in this country who felt like they had not been listened to. He is going to be an unconventional president.
Who cares what he tweeted, you know, on some Thursday night if we fix this country's big problems? That's just the way I look at this.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, SENIOR ADVISOR TO TRUMP: The president-elect looks at his social media accounts, a combined 25 million or probably more at this point, users on Twitter and Facebook as a very good platform to which to convey his messages. I can tell you firsthand that there are posts that he makes that otherwise would not be heard or seen by those 25 million people but for him posting them.
DICK CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I think one of the reasons people get so concerned about the tweets is it's sort of a way around the press. Its modern era, modern technology. It's the point where we don't need you guys anymore.
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BOLLING: And Juan, may be that is part of the reason that these liberal left leaning media are so up in arms is that he is able to make -- take one tweet, copy to Facebook and Instagram and reach 30 million people. He is going around the bus.
WILLIAMS: No. First of all, president of the United States, I don't care who it is, has a, you know, famously known as the bully pulpit. If you can make a statement, you can stand up, you can shout, the president can say anything and then it reaches the American people. The question here, Eric, is what happens, you know, let's imagine that Trump goes off the rails and becomes a demagogue.
And the demagogue then has a populist base that says no matter what he does, we love him. He can say whatever he wants to say. He is going around those terrible people in the mainstream press. Well, exactly then who is it that will say the king, the emperor has no clothes on?
BOLLING: Can I ask you this? President Obama, Barack Obama, not the POTUS account, has about 17 million, but Barack Obama himself has 30 million twitter followers alone. So, any president can go off the rails and become a demagogue. Why is this --
WILLIAMS: Wait a second. I don't think -- I think you don't like Obama. But I don't think you will say Obama became a demagogue.
BOLLING: My point, no, my point is you're using a hypothetical what if Trump goes off the rails.
WILLIAMS: Well he does go off the rails.
BOLLING: Yes, but what if Obama went off the rails?
WILLIAMS: He says things -- he says things that aren't true.
GUTFELD: But Juan, he's not president and you're already going like what if -- believe me, there is enough mainstream media around to go after Trump and it will happen. The honeymoon will be over and (inaudible) there. There's another side to this.
Twitter is a great way for him to communicate with America, but he's got to take some responsibility with that because that means you don't re-tweet or get involved in any kind of conspiracy thinking because we wouldn't see (ph), like we know this. Around the table, we get people tweeting and saying, why aren't you covering this story about pizza gate? We know it's false. We know it's false.
WILLIAMS: Oh, I'm glad you brought that up because this weekend --
GUTFELD: No, but that's my point is this -- my point is this. With something great, a great tool like Uber -- you got to make sure the drivers are safe.
WILLIAMS: Right.
GUTFELD: So you got to have some responsibility.
BOOTHE: But I also think there's a danger with the media because they sensationalize everything with Donald Trump. So the problem is when it is the media's job to hold presidents accountable -- when you over sensationalize everything, then when do voters and people and Americans actually know when there's a problem?
And the Democratic Party does this too because when you call everyone a racist, everyone is a bigot, everyone is sexist, then who actually is a bigot, who actually is sexist? The problem is, when you over sensationalize everything, when that is your M.O. and that is your game, then you muddy the waters, and I think it's hard to make things clear when you do that.
WILLIAMS: I think that, pardon me Lisa -- I apologize. Let's just take a second here. But I just find it hard to say it's the media's fault for over sensationalizing Lisa when he says things about, you know, people being rapists and thieves, when he says things about John McCain is not a hero because he got caught, when he says horrible things --
BOLLING: How about when Barack Obama said you didn't build that.
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WILLIAMS: There's an argument. You don't like the argument.
BOLLING: He dropped the ball on Benghazi. Go ahead.
GUILFOYLE: President Obama has enjoyed really like a fairy tale romance with the mainstream media. They are very much -- they like him personally. They like his politics, his ideology. So, to say anything, I mean he's the one that really hasn't had a full fact checking and whatnot.
He's actually had -- I think quite a nice relationship, a nice eight years with the press, with the exception of him calling out and having a problem, you know, with the Fox News Channel because we're reporting all of the news instead of just select positive stories. You've got to talk about actually what's going on everywhere.
Now, the flip side of this, nobody has had it so bad as president-elect Trump in terms of the amount of like bashing, trashing in the press, even the "New York Times" saying, you know, that they got it wrong, that they went too far, that they need to do a better job of having fair and balanced reporting an covering accurately. So, I think this is going to be a real test --
WILLIAMS: His fellow Republicans said this guy is not telling the truth.
BOLLING: Fellow Republicans.
GUTFELD: Future secretary of state.
BOLLING: This guy who ends up The Never Trump movement. You're calling him a fellow Republican.
GUTFELD: He's going to be secretary of state.
BOLLING: I'm going to say he's not. But we will talk about that coming up next. A major cabinet announcement from the president-elect today. Plus, some interesting new developments on his search for a secretary of state as Greg points out, and guess who showed up at Trump Tower today? Al Gore, old Mr. I invented the internet himself. What was he doing there?
GUILFOYLE: Not secretary of state.
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GUILFOYLE: President-elect Trump announced a new cabinet appointment today. He tapped former GOP opponent Dr. Ben Carson to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development. In a statement, Mr. Trump said Carson has a brilliant mind and is passionate about strengthening communities and families within those communities. More on that selection in a moment.
But first, a very unexpected sighting at Trump Tower today. Former vice president and climate change alarmist Al Gore showed up there. He had a meeting with the president-elect and also Ivanka Trump. He addressed reporters following the sit down.
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AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: The bulk of the time was with president- elect Donald Trump. I found it an extremely interesting conversation and to be continued. I'm just going to leave it at that. Thank you.
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GUILFOYLE: OK, Greg, so what do you make off --
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GUTFELD: I'm very concerned about this. About Al Gore showing up there. I think that's Ivanka, because she's, you know, whatever Donald Trump feels about climate change, I don't think Ivanka agrees with him. And this could be part of that strange new respect evolution that you see with the candidate when they start moving back towards the middle and perhaps to the left.
It's like with Arnold Schwarzenegger when he replaced Gray Davis in California. You expected the terminator but you got kindergarten cop. All of a sudden he embraced the climate change, everything, just the whole bible, and it was just -- it just sucked. And this is a problem because I'm a luke-warmer. I'm not a climate-changer. And I think you got -- there's a big problem with regulation and with corporations and our economy and I worry.
GUILFOYLE: OK, but what if the, Bolling, it's just a matter of sitting down, trying to say, look, I'm trying to unify the country. I want to hear what everybody has to say, bringing in people like, you know, Vice President Dan Quayle, former vice president -- he came in to sit down. Al Gore came in. I know Greg --
GUTFELD: It's not the same. It's Al Gore.
GUILFOYLE: I know. He's got a really dark cumulous cloud over his head. He's very upset about all of this.
BOLLING: I agree with Greg.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
BOLLING: Of all the people that I would not want to see, Al Gore is probably near the top of the list, if not, at the top of the list.
GUILFOYLE: Did he bring his lockbox with him?
BOLLING: Look, I don't know why. I guess I think Ivanka is interested in climate change and she wanted to hear and I understand that the meeting was put together by the Ivanka team, and then maybe she brought down Trump in to the meeting. Well, that's fine. Whatever. Great. Can I talk about secretary of state at all?
GUILFOYLE: If you want to.
BLLING: I'm dying to.
GUILFOYLE: OK, go ahead.
BOLLING: So, about a week and a half ago, I'm having dinner with some good friends. Frank (ph) and Lori (ph) were sitting down there and you know who would be a great secretary of state, but I think it's only down to four and he wasn't one of them -- I said Jon Huntsman would be a phenomenal secretary of state. We have this whole thing with China. He's mandarin (ph), but also his family was in the energy business, in chemicals.
He knows so many businesses and it's a fantastic business minded family. And you're dealing with a lot of foreign countries when you are dealing -- when you're secretary of state. I thought he would be phenomenal. This comes up. He ends up -- I hope he moves right to the top of that list. He is the moderate that Romney is without the never Trumper that Romney is too. I think the administration would be absolutely solidified by having a Jon Huntsman as secretary of state.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, we have his fabulous daughter, Abby, here as well. So there we go. So we're fans. OK, Lisa, what do you make of this? You can go climate or you can go secretary of state. You can go rogue.
BOOTHE: Can I go back to climate change real quick? I echo both of your concerns with it. I really don't like the fact that he's there and I really don't think that Donald Trump needs to be having this conversation because Donald Trump reached out to those co-workers whose jobs have been decimated by the climate policies of President Obama. He absolutely cannot prioritize that over jobs in America and over energy independence.
One thing I was really excited about Donald Trump is energy is an area where we have been missing sorely missing opportunities to one, add to the GDP and also to get Americans working again. And I'm just going to be so disappointed if Donald Trump takes that route instead of the route of pushing for energy exploration on federal land and getting those regulations --
GUILFOYLE: Fracking.
BOOTHE: Yes, fracking, getting those (inaudible) and some regulations out of the way.
BOLLING: Maybe -- and keep the climate stuff -- make it business -- if you push it towards business, businesses could figure out the right way forward for the emissions.
GUILFOYLE: How do we know that he was there talking about climate? Maybe as the creator of the internet, he was also invited.
GUTFELD: We're talking about twitter. That's what it was.
GUILFOYLE: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: He certainly has more foreign policy experience than any of the people being considered for secretary of state. But I say this, I don't --
BOLLING: Except for Huntsman.
WILLIAMS: What?
BOLLING: Except for Huntsman.
WILLIAMS: That's an interesting point because Guess how Huntsman became ambassador of China. Oh, thank you Obama. Thank you, Obama.
BOLLING: Is that a partisan comment when I said Huntsman?
WILLIAMS: Well, it is interesting coming from you, isn't it, because Huntsman --
BOLLING: He is a very much -- he's a very moderate --
WILLIAMS: Moderate? He goes back almost to the model of a liberal Republican. I know Jon Huntsman. I like Jon Huntsman. I'm just surprised you're suddenly a Jon Huntsman fan. Oh, maybe you're not really Eric Bolling.
BOLLING: You know, I've (inaudible) for a very long time, but whatever.
WILLIAM: Wait a minute. So it's only people you know you root for?
BOLLING: No, because the people -- because I know what he's about. I know he was a great ambassador to China --
BOLLING: I tell you what, I'm running for president next time America because he knows me.
GUILFOYLE: Juan Williams --
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WILLIAMS: No, no, let me finish this point. So we go on now, here is the rest of it though. I hear you guys talking about energy and I think, you know, I went to the gas pump this weekend and guess what Kimberly? Why are you mad at me now?
GUILFOYLE: No, I'm not mad at you. I'm talking to the control room.
WILLIAM: OK, because I went to the gas pump this weekend. Gas is cheap and you act like oh --
GUTFELD: Gas what?
WILLIAM: Gasoline. Gas what? Anyway, so my thought is, you guys talk like, oh boy, gas is so high. America is not an energy independent nation. We're not competing with the Saudis and driving down the cost of oil worldwide. You act like things are just terrible.
BOOTHE: President Obama roped off more federal land than any president -- recent president.
WILLIAMS: Oh, get out of town, because we just --
BOOTHE: It's actually fracking has happened on private land.
WILLIAMS: We protected the environment.
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WILLIAMS: All right.
BOLLING: Obama came around --
WILLIAMS: I'm telling you is right now, America is doing great. We are producing jobs and energy and it's no reason to have your chin down in your soup. And finally, on this business about secretary of state, James Stavridis, that's an interesting one because he was the guy who was considered right to the end to be the Hillary's VP and suddenly now he is at the top of Trump's list for secretary of state.
GUTFELD: Wednesday night --
GUILFOYLE: Retired admiral.
GUTFELD: Ben Carson, you got a surgeon -- you got a surgeon running HUD, which is better than the reverse. If you had a bureaucrat, you know, performing surgery on your brain, it would be a disaster. You see what they did to the --
GUILFOYLE: Beautiful mind over here.
GUTFELD: I like -- I like -- it's like "Oceans 11" in government. I will get the brain surgeon. I will get the grizzled vets. I'll get the geek. I'll get the billionaire. All that's missing is Julia Roberts and a cute puppy, but it's like "Oceans 13" for government.
GUILFOYLE: There you go. So when is Clooney coming?
GUTFELD: I don't -- well, you would know.
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GUILFOYLE: Terrible. Ahead, vice-president-elect Mike Pence shuts down the loud criticism from the left over Mr. Trump's call with the president of Taiwan. Hear it all, next.
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WILLIAMS: On Friday, president-elect Trump took a phone call from the president of Taiwan. She reportedly wanted to congratulate him on his win. But the call was controversial. It broke decades of diplomatic protocol. America's only recognized a one China policy since 1979. Vice-president- elect Mike Pence described the call as a courtesy and he thinks there's some hypocrisy when it comes to the pushback over this.
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PENCE: I think during the course of the transition eight years ago, President Obama is reported spoke to 22 world leaders and the president --
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, ABC NEWS: He did not speak to the leader of Taiwan. That's what I'm trying to --
PENCE: I have to tell you, George, it's a little mystifying to me that President Obama can reach out to a murdering dictator in Cuba in the last year and be hailed as a hero for doing it and president-elect Trump takes a courtesy call from the democratically elected leader in Taiwan and it has become -- it has become something of a controversy.
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WILLIAMS: Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Is there -- is the reaction to this from the diplomatic community, from the national security community to be predicted that they're just not used to dealing with someone like Donald Trump?
GUILFOYLE: Well, certainly they're not, but I mean eventually, they're going to have to get used to it because he's going to call the shots and make the calls and take the calls as he sees them. He promised that to everybody in terms of his movement. He's going to drain the swamp. He's going to do things differently. He certainly was an unconventional candidate and I don't believe that he is going to be a predictable president.
I think He's trying to change and like manifest change, you know, in this country and also internationally and the role that America plays. The leverage that we have and use against other countries to be able to create stability, yes, you know, throughout the world and also to improve our economic relationships and our deal advantage across all kind of platforms.
So, this to me is not so much of a surprise and I think that vice- president-elect Pence brings up a good point. Nobody seems to criticize President Obama for his relationship, you know, with Cuba for not calling for the release, you know, for prisoners to be brought back over here. Nothing.
He continues to still enjoy and embrace a relationship over there with, you know, a country that has treated its people, you know, horribly with people being stripped of their businesses, people being -- their land getting taken away, families destroyed. Nobody seemed to mind that whatsoever.
GUTFELD: Can I add to that? It's not just Cuba. If you look at how the media's relationship with the USSR during a period of time when they killed millions of people -- millions of people -- there are countless of fellow travelers in America that were OK with it. And they're worried about a phone call?
They just -- our administration just spent seven minutes in heaven with Iran, giving them billions of dollars. Thank you. And they're worried about a phone call. They're worried about a phone call.
By the way, if President Obama had made this phone call, he would have been -- it would have been a Nobel Prize. "Look how he thumbed his nose at China. How brave is that?"
GUILFOYLE: Another -- he got the Nobel Peace Prize already.
GUTFELD: Bookends.
WILLIAMS: I think you have a different presence.
GUTFELD: True.
WILLIAMS: I want to ask you, Eric. I think that -- the word I was hearing this weekend was "loose cannon." And the idea is that you know what? He's not taking the daily briefings.
BOLLING: Where are you hearing these things?
WILLIAMS: I was in Washington.
GUTFELD: He was at the gym.
BOOTHE: It's really just--
GUTFELD: He was in the gym showering.
WILLIAMS: I'll tell you what.
BOLLING: In the swamp. You were in a rowboat in the swamp.
WILLIAMS: Let me just -- I definitely am in the swamp when I go home.
But I've got to tell you something, that there are lots of people saying he's not taking daily briefings. If you're going to do this, if it's intentional, as Greg was suggesting, well, then at least you go to the State Department or you go to the security people and say--
BOLLING: Why? Why?
WILLIAMS: -- "What do I have to say in this call?"
BOLLING: Look, this is a phone call. The Taiwan president -- her name is Ing-wen, last name Ing-wen -- said, "You know, I wanted to call to congratulate you. And by the way, there were some Chinese bombers that were flying around the island last week."
WILLIAMS: Yes, yes.
BOLLING: And so he takes the phone call. He says, as Kimberly points out, he's not your conventional president-elect. He's not going to be a pushover.
But for Josh Earnest to come out -- I think this is much ado about nothing personally. OK, he took a phone call from -- from a satellite island off of China that wants to be sovereign. And by the way, one of our customers, as well. We sell them arms, as you know.
WILLIAMS: Very well.
BOLLING: But for Josh Earnest to say--
GUILFOYLE: You can't take the call. Just their money.
BOLLING: -- "Some of the progress we've made with China up until now" -- what progress have we made with China? They're still -- they're still building military bases in the South China Sea against our will.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
BOLLING: They're still--
GUILFOYLE: Manipulating currency.
BOLLING: -- stealing our intellectual property.
GUILFOYLE: Manipulating currency.
BOLLING: Still manipulating their currency. They're still doing -- they're still stealing from us. Our businesses are begging our State Department to put some pressure on China to stop with the theft of our intellectual property.
WILLIAMS: OK, but it's not -- it's not--
BOLLING: That's tens of billions of dollars in economics activity.
WILLIAMS: Diplomacy is about a two-party relationship. And Michael Haden -- I'm not going to play the tape -- but Michael Haden, the former CIA director, said, you know, he's going to have some big challenges coming out of that region.
GUILFOYLE: North Korea.
WILLIAMS: He pointed to North Korea as potentially taking provocative action to test Trump. What do you think?
BOOTHE: I think that the days of apologizing for America are over. What did President Obama do in less than 100 days? He apologized to three separate continents. That's not going to happen under Donald Trump. And he made that very, very clear when he ran.
And look, I think it's ridiculous for the media to be going insane when they clearly didn't care that President Obama cut a deal with a country whose supreme leader says death to America. We give them over $100 billion in sanction relief. You have President Obama, who set foot on Cuba for the first time in nearly a century. The media didn't freak out then. But President-elect Trump takes a call from a democratically-elected leader, and now it's just, you know, the worst thing that's ever happened and we're on the verge of war. It's insane. And the days -- the days of apologizing are over.
WILLIAMS: You may have hit the nail on the head when you said war.
BOOTHE: No, but that's the crazy speculation in the media.
GUTFELD: China's response was perfect. They just treated it like it was a piffle. They just said, whatever. They made no big deal out of it.
WILLIAMS: They filed a formal complaint with the United Nations.
GUTFELD: That's nothing. They're adults.
WILLIAMS: You mean if they start a war--
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GUTFELD: They don't --
BOLLING: Juan, we have a file this high of formal complaints against China for all the atrocities they're done to our American--
GUILFOYLE: And Taiwan, which is -- and Taiwan, which is a democracy.
GUTFELD: I have files that high of complaints against Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, you wish.
BOOTHE: Read the headlines in the Dalai Lama visits. It kind of freaks out--
WILLIAMS: They weren't happy when we -- OK.
BOOTHE: They were bullies--
WILLIAMS: Take it easy, America. "The Five's" got your back. We will watch out for Donald Trump.
Greg has an interesting story coming up about something that happened at Fidel Castro's funeral this weekend in Cuba. Guess what? It didn't go as planned. Stay tuned.
GUILFOYLE: Guess what?
GUTFELD: Guess what?
GUILFOYLE: Guess what?
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GUTFELD: You know who almost didn't make Fidel Castro's funeral? Fidel Castro. The Jeep carting his remains -- or what I call jack ash -- broke down. Soldiers had to push the damn thing. If only there was an appropriate response.
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GUTFELD: So in a socialist sinkhole of a country, the corpse of its leader is left in a box in the middle of the road. A fitting tribute for a commie thug who steered a once abundant country into a bottomless pit of hellish tyranny.
But the hearse wasn't the only thing that broke down after Fidel's death. Poor Sean Penn just defecated an overwrought obituary through clenched tear ducts. It stunk more than his last film. Poor Sean. He lost a soul mate. Lucky for him, Robert Mugabe is still kicking around. Maybe Sean can get a head start and write him a love poem.
Now I know Castro was cremated. But it's the hearse breaking down that's the real burn, which is why so few in the left-wing press reported it. They looked the other way, just like everything else under Castro's sad watch. Why? Because he was the David to our Goliath. Under the guise of fighting evil imperialism, they let him get away with murder on a grand scale. They romanced his savagery and welcomed any attempt to normalize relations with him. It's why it's so cute that libs are losing it over a phone call to Taiwan. Castro may have died last week, but their morality croaked decades ago.
Eric, the symbolism was just too obvious to pass up. It's just perfect.
BOLLING: I can't believe it happened.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes.
BOLLING: You're right. Yes, it's a once abundant country just starving. Maybe it ran out of gas.
GUTFELD: Yes, just ran out.
BOLLING: Like the rest of people, right? But communism is dying, not -- at the pace of the dictators dying.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Chavez dies, Castro dies. You've got -- we have a while for Un to die in North Korea and maybe the imams in Iran. But eventually, the world has proven that -- that communism is failing. And it's dying out over time.
GUTFELD: Although Venezuela has -- is it, what's his name? Maduro?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
GUTFELD: Replacing Chavez, which is -- I mean, the city is hell.
BOLLING: They're going to have to come around at some point. In other words, when you replace a dictator with another dictator and the people go, "Well, I'm not really sure this has been working."
WILLIAMS: So why -- why is President-elect Trump having this bromance with a communist?
GUTFELD: Who?
WILLIAMS: Putin.
GUTFELD: That's an (inaudible). Look, man, I don't know.
GUILFOYLE: Here we go.
GUTFELD: I don't know. But he's not really a communist.
WILLIAMS: He's not really?
GUTFELD: He's a very strapping, shirtless man.
BOLLING: He has won elections.
BOOTHE: He likes to ride horses.
GUTFELD: He likes to ride horses.
WILLIAMS: Are you kidding me?
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
WILLIAMS: Is this like the election--
BOLLING: He was elected. Chavez was kind of elected. I'm not sure about Chavez. Un wasn't elected.
WILLIAMS: That's like the election we had here with the fake news and with Russia trying to influence our outcome and attacking our -- one campaign. Is that the kind of election you're talking about?
BOLLING: That's Jill Stein. That's late -- that's later.
GUTFELD: How did this -- Kimberly, this is kind of a fitting end, though. I mean, the fact, as Eric says, here is a country that was out of gas, thanks to Castro, and his thing breaks down.
GUILFOYLE: No, it's really true. I mean, honestly, that image is going to live forever. And keep in mind, if he were still alive -- or maybe he'd come back from the dead, he would probably imprison or murder the people that let the -- you know, the truck break down. I mean, that's the type of country they were living in. Just like he had the doctors that were caring for him weren't even from Cuba. They were Spanish. But yet, he's the guy that created this amazing socialized medicine for Cuba. I don't think so.
GUTFELD: I'm going to ask you if you read Sean Penn's obituary. It's OK to lie and say you did.
BOOTHE: I would have read it if you told me you were going to ask me about it.
GUTFELD: Oh, no, no. I don't want you to read it. I read it for you. It was really bad.
BOOTHE: Well, you know, I think it's interesting, because in your -- in your statement you mentioned the fact that the media looked the other way on this. But we also have a president who looked the other way. And you just look at the statement that he put out, in saying that he gives his condolences to the Castro family and that Cuba is a friend and partner. No mention of the dissidents who were imprisoned, of the firing squads, of the over 1,200 extrajudicial killings of the 1.5 [SIC] Cubans who fled under his regime and under his watch. No mention of that.
And you look at that in contrast. And I'll read you my favorite quote from Senator Tom Cotton. And he said, "Fidel Castro created hell on earth for the Cuban people. He will become intimately familiar with what he wrought." And you look at the juxtaposition between what he said and what President Obama put out after his death.
GUTFELD: Yes. You know, if that hearse had belonged to Margaret Thatcher, it would have been a target of great comedy across media, especially in Europe. They would have thought it would have been hilarious. I don't want to hear anybody giving us crap for laughing at this.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, but the administration and the media romanticize someone who was a murderer--
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: -- and abusive and had a horrible regime that left, you know, Cuba in a terrible position.
GUTFELD: Right.
BOLLING: No offense. But a Jeep pickup truck, too?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: I mean, really?
GUTFELD: Yes, could have done -- you know, I love Jeeps, but--
BOLLING: Yes. No offense. No offense to them, but--
GUTFELD: The only other cars they have there are beat up '67 Chevys.
BOLLING: I know.
GUILFOYLE: Those are military equipment that was left over from Russia.
GUTFELD: By the way, Castro groupie, Colin Kaepernick, what, he had more sacks than passing yards.
BOLLING: Yes, he did.
GUTFELD: See, there you go. Never -- communism doesn't work, even for a pro quarterback.
BOLLING: Not in the NFL.
GUTFELD: Yes, not in the NFL.
Ahead, Green Party candidate Jill Stein made an appearance at Trump Tower today, but not to meet with the president-elect. She was there to defend her push for recounts in three swing states, next.
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BOOTHE: Green Party nominee Jill Stein is moving to move ahead with her push for a recount in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, despite legal setbacks and growing opposition. She held a press conference outside of Trump Tower today to defend her effort.
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JILL STEIN, GREEN PARTY PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We're here today to stand up for exactly that, for a vote that is accurate, secure and fair and just, in which every vote counts and every vote is counted. This, in fact, is what makes America great: the promise of democracy and the promise of justice. We will not give in to intimidation, to legal maneuvering and to bureaucratic obstruction.
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BOOTHE: President-elect Trump called Stein's recount push a scam just to raise money.
So Juan, you look at -- Jill Stein raised about $2.5 million in the 2016 campaign. She's been able to raise around $7 million. And if you look at her votes, you take away -- if all the Stein voters went for Clinton in these states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Trump would have ended up with the 260, ten shy of the 270 that he needed to clinch the presidency. So my question to you, is she a scam artist? Is she a con artist?
WILLIAMS: On one level, I can say yes. But I mean, the thing to remember is, the best argument for her would be, so what? Have a recount. The American people will have faith in the system. And we need to have faith in our democratic process. I believe it's not going to result in any big change. At least I don't see any indication that there's any chance of a change. So let it be.
But I think that she's a scam artist to this degree, Lisa. I think she's really trying to build a left-wing party in the United States, a third party out of the Green Party and make sure they have ballot access in the future. That this time they weren't on all 50 ballots. Next time, with this kind of money -- she says the money is now segregated, dedicated solely to a recount effort. I suspect that money is going to lead out into more of an operational structure for the Green Party going forward.
BOOTHE: But Eric, do you think this is more about building her own notoriety?
BOLLING: I think it's both. I think Juan is right that there's going to be -- you know, we talk about what happens after Hillary's big loss, colossal loss. Who's going to fill the void? Elizabeth Warren with -- Bernie Sanders is now competing with, for some reason, Jill Stein. Everyone who -- when you think about it, when you think of it's not going to be Hillary, who is the Democrat Party going to be? I would think that they would want to put their money and their emphasis and their support behind Bernie Sanders rather than Jill Stein.
This is ridiculous.
GUILFOYLE: Ridiculous.
BOLLING: These recounts are doing nothing but proving -- making the Democrats or Jill Stein look ridiculous.
And the fact that Hillary Clinton jumped on board with this was even more ridiculous, making Democrats look bad, not just the Green Party.
Bernie Sanders is the one who should be saying, "Hold on. Let me take this from here. We're not going to do any recounts. This is what we're going to be about going forward." They need to -- you guys are lost in the wilderness a little bit, Juan.
BOOTHE: Well, you know, Kimberly, look--
GUILFOYLE: Naked and alone.
BOLLING: But not afraid?
BOOTHE: Chris Wallace had pointed this out in his line of questioning her. I believe it was on Sunday, that the biggest shift in history from recall was 1,200 votes. Isn't this all pointless?
GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think it's an incredible waste of time. I especially think there was no upside for Hillary Clinton to get involved in this. She should have just, like, kept her stature and her positioning and not, like, sunk to this level like she's chasing after Jill Stein and what she's up to. This really is a sham, you know. And they're wasting the money of people who are supporters with, you know, more false promises and pipe dreams that aren't going to come to fruition.
I don't know what's to be gained about it. And all they're doing is help Jill Stein dilute, you know, the power of the Democratic Party. And what they need to be doing is focusing, like Eric said, on a quality, formidable candidate and somebody that they can push forward to be a contender. Plus, they have a lot of seats that are going to be up again, you know, coming in the next election. So they better start to get a little focused.
BOOTHE: Greg, I want to get you in here. What do you think of -- what do you make of all this?
GUTFELD: She's a doctor. I wonder if her middle name is Franken.
Anyway, look, I can't -- I can't blame her. We spent a whole year talking about how rigged everything is. Right? She has a lot in common with Donald Trump. If Donald Trump had lost, would he have been -- would he have done a recount? Because remember, he kept saying everything was rigged. So they're both -- there's some similarity there.
But I think she should go back and practice medicine, because that's really her calling.
And by the way, nobody is intimidating her. They're just ignoring her. She said they -- she was being intimidated. Who's intimidating her? We're not paying attention. We're not even paying attention. I'm not paying attention.
BOOTHE: All right. We've got to go.
GUTFELD: I'm just talking. Talking and talking.
BOOTHE: "One More Thing" is coming up next.
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BOLLING: All right. It's time for "One More Thing," and Greg is up.
GUTFELD: Let's go to this.
BOLLING: Love this.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Political Animals.
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GUTFELD: It's still happening. Weeks after Donald Trump is elected president, there's still conflict everywhere around the world. Take the outback where this -- this poor helpless dog is being -- well, maybe he's not being attacked. He's being assaulted by a kangaroo.
BOLLING: He's in a headlock.
GUTFELD: But we can't tell if it was romantic.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
GUTFELD: This Trump supporter comes in and punches the kangaroo. Punches the kangaroo.
BOLLING: But you know what we find out later. MoveOn.org paid that Trump supporter to do that.
GUTFELD: But you know what? If the kangaroo wants to be with the dog, who are we to stop them?
GUILFOYLE: Is this real?
GUTFELD: Who are we to stop them? Maybe love transcends species, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: You want to find out?
BOLLING: You're up.
WILLIAMS: Was that real?
GUTFELD: Yes, that was real. I think so.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
GUTFELD: If it's not, I apologize in advance.
BOOTHE: You're in seven minutes of heaven.
GUILFOYLE: So bizarre. The little one is. OK.
So this afternoon, I had the pleasure to be with my colleague and co-host Juan Williams as we attended and we were the keynote speakers at the diversity discussion in television and video event. We want to thank the editors of "Broadcasting and Cable" and "Multichannel News" for presenting such a fantastic event.
And we addressed specifically the topic of diversity in television in a post-election America. Far too intellectual for Greg Gutfeld. And how important it is to spread and include diversity in the media today. And there was some of the top leaders in sports production, marketing, human resources--
GUTFELD: I did not see a Caucasian there.
GUILFOYLE: -- and diversity.
WILLIAMS: There were lots of them.
GUILFOYLE: We want to say congratulations to all the award winners. A pleasure to be there and keep up the good work.
BOLLING: Very good. Congratulations to both of you guys, by the way.
OK. So the college football season is almost over. All the games are done except for the championship and the bowl games. Championship series, Alabama ended up being ranked No. 1. They're going to play Washington. Ohio State is going to play Clemson. I think you're going to go with Alabama and Ohio State. And I think Alabama is such a good team they could probably beat the 49ers. I think they're that good. I think they will be national champions.
However, for me, the national championship is right here: Colorado, Oklahoma State. Eric Chase at Colorado. I think they got screwed. They should have gone to the Rose Bowl, but they were picked to go to the Alamo Bowl. So that's coming up the next couple of weeks.
WILLIAMS: My big upset this weekend was -- was Temple over Navy. I was rooting for Navy. I thought Navy was going to--
BOLLING: Navy's a good team?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BOLLING: Your "One More Thing."
WILLIAMS: All right. Christmas usually means red, white and green. But for one Chicago family this year, it's purple.
GUTFELD: What?
WILLIAMS: The Grant-Grusecki family spent all year preparing an epic Christmas light display. They will pay tribute to pop star Prince, who passed away in April. Purple guitar adorns one house -- one wall of the house. And some of Prince's music has made it into the Christmas mix.
The family puts the display on every year and asks spectators to leave donations. Last year they raised $25,000 for the Wounded Warrior Project. This year, hoping to raise even more.
GUTFELD: That's crazy.
WILLIAMS: So for our viewers in Chicago, get out there.
BOLLING: OK. By the way, the producer just told me it's not the BCS anymore. It's just the national championship. OK.
Go ahead. Lisa, your "One More Thing."
BOOTHE: All right. So we're going to be looking at Asher Nash, who is the newest face of Oshkosh B'Gosh's Christmas ad campaign. As the niece [SIC] of an aunt [SIC] with special needs, this is particularly close to my heart.
His mother had originally submitted his photos to an ad agency, or to a modelling agency in hopes of reaching companies like Oshkosh, but she was told that they weren't specifically looking for a special needs kid.
But she took to social media and ultimately, he got the job. And you're looking at Asher Nash. And he's also getting into other ads with companies like Toys 'R' Us Kids. So it's a happy story. He is clearly the cutest little thing ever. So just take a look at him.
GUILFOYLE: How cute is he? God bless him, yes.
BOOTHE: Fifteen months.
BOLLING: Are those new glasses, Gutfeld?
GUTFELD: Yes, they are. You like them?
GUILFOYLE: Whose are those?
GUTFELD: All right.
GUILFOYLE: They're bigger than your face.
GUTFELD: Set your DVRs. That's it for us. "Special Report" coming up right now.
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