This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 20, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock -- now we're back in New York City and this is "The Five."
We've got 19 days left, folks. All three presidential debates are in the history books. We've got a ton to break down on the final clash beginning with the biggest newsmaker of the night, this one.
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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR AND POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?
DONALD TRUMP, PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now. I will look at it at the time.
WALLACE: One of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign that the loser concedes to the winner. Are you saying you are not prepared now to commit to that principle?
TRUMP: What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense, OK?
HILLARY CLINTON, PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, Chris - -
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PERINO: And that elicited a sharp and pointed response from his opponent.
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CLINTON: That's horrifying. You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is. It's rigged against him. He is denigrating, he's talking down our democracy. And I, for one, am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position.
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PERINO: Trump's questioning on the integrity of our presidential election has been met with widespread criticism on both sides of the aisle. Today, he addressed the fallout and added some gasoline to the fire.
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TRUMP: Ladies and gentlemen, I want to make a major announcement today. I would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the United States that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election if I win.
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PERINO: So not content to leave that story to die. He added more to it. We will be talking about it a lot more. Eric, when he said that last night in the debate, did you immediately think, oh, there's your headline?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I did not because it had any substance to it, because I knew the right and the left were going to both grab on to that and say, look, look, what he is doing in advance if he -- he's kind of setting the groundwork that he is going to say it's a rigged election. With her long time we've said or I've said, I don't think this is a great strategy by him. I don't love this, but he is gonna go ahead to embrace it. I -- I still don't get it but nonetheless, he did. And I think that right there was -- he was just being tongue in cheek, if I win, ha, ha, ha. But you know, I just -- so let's talk about what that statement is. Is it that big? It looks now everyone is making a huge deal out of this. But why isn't that big? Why is it so important? OK, so he says, "You know what? I -- maybe I will say it was rigged after if I don't win." But this is a huge common place, a lot of people, a lot of groups. People have said the election was rigged, I was supposed to win; 2004, a great example, Ohio in 2006. It's been democrats doing it as well. And don't forget this is a guy who stood on the stage and said, "Will you" -- had people say, "Will you support the eventual nominee and ended up being him?" And all of them said, "Yes, we will." And not all of them have.
PERINO: OK, I'm not sure how -- what's the relevance of that?
BOLLING: That --
PERINO: He's what?
BOLLING: He has been burned by it and by -- even people of his own party .
PERINO: By what?
BOLLING: . in the past. So he is just saying, "Hey, let's just wait and see what the results are." He is not -- I mean, look. If he loses and then, you know, it's not going to be hanging chad situations, I can see he's OK. He lost, we'll move on.
PERINO: All right. Juan, you want to respond to that? I just --
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I think that he is selling distrust of the American political structure with people who are his ardent supporters. I mean the Trump supporters really believe Donald Trump. And he is now, sort of inculcate in this idea that, you know what, this American political structure is rigged against us. We will never get a fair shake. You go to vote and it won't be properly counted. So the result is, republican, republican campaign election officials are coming out saying, "Donald Trump, stop. Don't do this. This is not right." We, in fact, run the election system in so many counties and states and you are saying we're not to be trusted. So it goes beyond the moment. It goes beyond this election. It's the people losing faith in our democratic, democratic processes and in democracy itself as a result. And I think that's irresponsible. I mean, you know -- Hillary Clinton turned it into a joke. She said, "Well, Donald says everything is rigged when he didn't win the Emmys." And he's actually won it. I mean --
PERINO: But that was pretty funny, although on his part.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, but I mean, but it --
PERINO: I thought.
WILLIAMS: But we're talking about a real serious issue here. We're talking about, you know, the heart of this -- the heart of a political structure.
PERINO: Well, speaking of serious issues, Kimberly .
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah.
PERINO: . the first of his 30 minutes, I thought, especially Chris Wallace, the moderator who has received widespread praise for his role last night, he really hit several substantive issues; guns, Supreme Court, immigration and abortion right away.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Right away he got to the meat. And I think also it was very important because he set the tone for the evening like, listen, this is, you know, big boy time, big girl time. There is not going to be any messing around and he checked the audience, too. So I think everyone was like, wow, OK, this is going to be straightforward. And I think from there, it really lent itself to success for the night, and people got to listen and hear. I mean, I think Chris Wallace gave a master class in debate moderating. I've thought he was fantastic and brought the best out in terms of both of the candidates, making them both look, you know, presidential in terms of answering the questions. So it was great. I liked it a lot.
PERINO: What did you think from -- where, where do you guys watched it? Because you guys came home on the "Red Eye" last night.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I watched it in my hotel room.
PERINO: Oh, you did.
GUTFELD: Yes, I did. I had the hotel robe on and I ordered myself a nice piece of meat. I thought Chris Wallace .
GUILFOYLE: OK, Hannibal Lector.
GUTFELD: . tried to achieve the impossible, which was to find the high road and quicksand. And I thought he did. I agree, I agree with Eric about this controversy. I mean, being surprised by that is -- you would be surprised by sunlight. That's vintage .
GUILFOYLE: I know.
GUTFELD: . Donald Trump. You know it, it's not a refusal. It's more like a natural outgrowth of his negotiation. It's like, I'm not going to -- everything is on the table for him. It's always going to be on the table. He's not going to tell people what he is doing. And he's entitled -- that's his, that's his shtick. I don't -- I don't think --it's weird. Every time a republican does something, it's horrifying. But you could find five or six examples of somebody on the left doing the same thing whether it's Black Live Matter or Occupy Wall Street or Senator Sanders, even Barack Obama talking about division, talking about the little guy being screwed. And that's considered majestic and romantic. You have somebody on the right who is doing it and at somehow, the whole democracy is under threat. Everything is going to be destroyed. I think he's just having -- that to me is harmless and kind of funny.
BOLLING: Can I just throw a couple of examples out as well? 2000, Jesse Jackson said, "We have to check the -- integrity of the system." Salon in 2012, is the GOP stealing Ohio? 2000 New York magazine, "Rolling Stone," two occasions, two years apart saying, "Was the 2004, was the 2004 election stolen? Yes. Howard Dean actually said, "The voting machines were not reliable" -- and Fahrenheit 9/11. Juan, the left has been saying this exact same thing .
WILLIAMS: You know --
BOLLING: . that Donald Trump has said, "Here's the last 16 or long years.
WILLIAMS: There's such an important point to be made here Eric.
BOLLING: Is after?
WILLIAMS: Al Gore. Al Gore, after -- when he lost in a highly controversial election in our lifetime, something all of us at this table lived through, Al Gore said, you know what?
PERINO: Last day on the Supreme Court. But I think --
GUILFOYLE: One --
PERINO: I think that there is --
GUILFOYLE: One day after they went to the Supreme Court.
WILLIAMS: They went to the Supreme Court and he said, you know what, even though -- and to this day you can hear it from some part that, in fact, democrats got more votes than republicans. Gore got more votes than Bush. But guess what? Gore cleared the way and acknowledged President Bush. What you are talking about, there are people who are not the candidate. Donald Trump is the candidate. That's my point to you.
BOLLING: You mean he's not --
WILLIAMS: He is not "Rolling Stone" or some other magazine.
BOLLING: He simply said, "Well, let's see what happens."
WILLIAMS: Jesse Jackson -- no.
BOLLING: If the -- you know why --
BOLLING: By the way, for the record .
WILLIAMS: The only way -- no, the only way --
BOLLING: I don't agree with voter fraud. I don't think it's going to make a difference in the election, but --
WILLIAMS: Yeah, right. But the only way that you and Greg can be right on this point .
WILLIAMS: . is to say, oh, well, he thinks it's just like a TV reality show and you're saying, hey --
GUILFOYLE: With the season finale.
WILLIAMS: Yes. What's the teaser for next week? You never know what's coming.
GUTFELD: That's fun how I looked at it.
WILLIAMS: Or -- but that not what would that mean? That he really thinks he's already lost. That he's not playing to win this election anymore.
BOLLING: Man, are we over thinking -- a quick throwaway line.
WILLIAMS: That was not a throwaway line.
BOLLING: It's just felt like it to me.
WILLIAMS: Chris Wallace gave him a chance to step out of the hole, because when he step in .
WILLIAMS: . Chris Wallace said, "Hey, let me just be clear. In America's historical traditions, the losing candidate is always --
BOLLING: It's right.
WILLIAMS: It's like --
BOLLING: So if --
WILLIAMS: Mr. Trump, what do you say?
BOLLING: If he does lose the electoral, Electoral College, like say around you margin of laws. Do you think Donald Trump was going to say, "This was rigged and I didn't realize -- I should have won?"
WILLIAMS: Yeah. That's his --
PERINO: That's what he just said.
BOLLING: Oh, I don't know if that's what he said.
GUTFELD: You know what's worse, though?
BOLLING: I'm not sure that's (inaudible).
GUTFELD: He -- what's worse than what -- Trump did, OK? So Trump says that. But it's not necessarily a falsehood or anything. It's just a comment. Meanwhile, the thing that drives me crazy and -- I think the left has pioneered this, the anecdotal story about somebody that they talk to? President Obama, you can probably should that all the time, and she did it a couple of times yesterday.
BOLLING: She was. Yeah.
GUTFELD: And it's like, I just want somebody to go. What is this person's name? Where are they from? How long have you known them?
GUILFOYLE: Like it's --
GUTFELD: Because I don't believe you.
GUTFELD: I don't believe this conversation ever took place.
PERINO: Well, the woman --
PERINO: The young girl that he -- Karla is the woman that actually was the -- she was the little girl that she made the ad about. That --that actually was a real girl, and that was probably the most --
GUTFELD: Are you sure Dana?
PERINO: I don't know.
GUTFELD: I don't know either.
PERINO: I mean the thing is that -- as Charlie heard --
GUTFELD: I wasn't talking about that one, by the way.
GUTFELD: I was talking about a different one.
PERINO: All right. Because you don't know who it is either?
GUTFELD: I refuse to listen. I fell asleep.
PERINO: All right, I've lost control --
GUILFOYLE: From the steak.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, it's --
PERINO: But --
GUILFOYLE: Heavy in your stomach.
PERINO: So there might be some who think this is no big deal. But the fact is that headlines across all the papers that this is what everybody is talking about.
GUILFOYLE: This was the lead.
PERINO: So it leaves the structure of the race unchanged after last night's debate.
GUILFOYLE: Right. And so you're talking about that instead of the other issues and the specific answers to the questions that Chris Wallace was absolutely, you know, actually able to nail them down on. So the lead today, which I heard 3 million times and read everywhere, was contesting the election. And you saw him getting criticized by the right, people in his own party criticized by the left. It felt a little bit like a squeeze play. I'm like -- let's talk about the other issues that happen and what their specific answers were on national security and on immigration and some of the other things that (inaudible).
PERINO: But it gave them the rabbit to chase.
BOLLING: It's -- of course. And that's the --
PERINO: That's his fault.
BOLLING: That's sad part. And that's why we have said for the last few days, this isn't a great debate or dialogue to be, to be having right now. You point out rightly; Supreme Court, second amendment, abortion and immigration right away in the first 30 minutes in the four topics. And Donald Trump drew a line and said, "This is where we are on these policies, major policy issues." Here is where she is and he nailed that. And then he went ahead with this thing. I just don't really get it. Maybe there's something on the back side of this. I don't understand. But you're right. So every paper and every deed is about this comment.
GUILFOYLE: And it's good on foreign hot spots, too. Yeah.
WILLIAMS: You know what? You are upset.
BOLLING: Well, because I think there was an opportunity. I think -- yeah, there's --
PERINO: Yeah. I mean you could see some .
BOLLING: I think (inaudible) --
PERINO: . Trump supporters last night, I watched some of the coverage, and they would say, "I wish he would have said this. I wish he would have that." And they come up with really great things that he could have said. But that's not what he said and this is the situation. And actually, you do have some republicans trying to defend him today using things like in 2000, but I think the big difference is Al Gore challenged Florida. Now Al Gore called and conceded to President Bush.
WILLIAMS: Yes, it is.
PERINO: Then when they flipped Florida back. He called President Bush back and said, "I'm going to take back that concession." And that started the recount. And what -- what Gore wanted to do was selectively choose counties from which to -- do the recount when Florida law said you have to do it all across .
GUILFOYLE: All across.
PERINO: . the state. And David Boies who was the attorney for Al Gore, actually, in his autobiography is very explicit that they were trying to harvest democratic votes in those counties. And that's why there was a big fight. That was after the election was held, not beforehand. And I think that's maybe the distinction.
GUTFELD: Can I just -- one more compliment to Chris Wallace? He was like the -- I called him the nonsense fireman. Whenever there it seemed like it was going off-track or there's going to be a little bit of nonsense, he took out the Chris Wallace fire hose. They just put it out and then, and then, and then it just got back on the track. And I thought that's why you had a clear -- you could see a clear definition between the candidates, minus the fog of chaos and hysteria that we've seen for so long.
BOLLING: And he did get acclaim from both sides.
GUTFELD: I think --
GUILFOYLE: And from all the other of the anchors .
GUTFELD: I think from now on it should have --
GUILFOYLE: . in that network.
GUTFELD: All the debates on Fox News --
BOLLING: With Chris Wallace.
PERINO: With Chris Wallace. Probably (inaudible)
GUILFOYLE: I think we should add another one.
PERINO: All right. We got to run. We're going to run out of time. We've -- all seen the violence at some of the Trump rallies. The GOP nominee is blaming his opponent for riling up crowds on purpose. That fiery exchange from last night, we will have it next.
BOLLING: That's the final debate. The nominees sparred over who is responsible for inciting violence at some of Trump's rallies.
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TRUMP: If you look at what came out today on the clips, where I was wondering what happened with my rally in Chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. She's the one and Obama that caused the violence. They hired people. They paid them $1,500 and they're on tape saying, "be violent; cause fights; do bad things."
CLINTON: He incites violence where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies.
TRUMP: So sad when she talks about violence at my rallies and she caused the violence. It's on tape.
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BOLLING: Trump was referring to an undercover tape by Project Veritas that exposed democratic operatives discussing plans to cause trouble at his events, including a man in Robert Creamer, a frequent visitor to President Obama's White House. Clinton came -- Clinton claims she knows nothing about it. And the head of the DNC tried her hardest to deny and deflect.
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DONNA BRAZILE, DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR: Look, when you have a convicted criminal sneaking around your office with imposters that try to - -
MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE" HOST: Are you referring to Bob Creamer the head of Democracy Partners?
BRAZIL: No, I'm -- referring to Mr. O'Keefe, an instance that he has doctored some videos as he has done before.
KELLY: You say that the tapes are .
KELLY: . falsified?
BRAZILE: Mr. O'Keefe enjoys falsifying records. He did it with NPR. He did with (inaudible).
KELLY: What about in this case?
BRAZILE: Donald Trump made several ridiculous claims tonight.
KELLY: You keep dodging. I --
BRAZILE: And you --
KELLY: I -- and I hit Donald Trump's .
BRAZILE: . you say -- I'm not dodged out.
KELLY: . representative with those. But now we have you.
BRAZILE: I don't play dodge ball, honey. I play basketball. And I'm just telling you, he tried to score on misinformation. He is trying to score.
KELLY: OK, but I have you. Listen, listen, you have --
BRAZILE: On this information was obtained illegally.
KELLY: You, you saved --
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BOLLING: All right. So Dana, about a week ago, I think I mentioned that I called for Donna Brazile to step down as the DNC chair because of that e- mail that she sent forwarding the question to Hillary Clinton. I got a lot of pushback. But Megyn Kelly really honed in on that and -- didn't go out well for --
PERINO: So that wasn't the part that just saw in -- that the interview that went on for a long time. Donna Brazile denies it, that she was going to come on "The Kelly File" and answer tough questions about it. What I think is -- whoever hired these people to go and incite violence for like -- human beings to confront other human beings, like the woman on the oxygen who got punched in the face and its planned out? I mean, I don't know if the tapes are edited or not. I take them at face value until we are proven otherwise, but that's just a terrible way to treat human beings. I have -- I would never agree to something like that.
BOLLING: Juan, do you --
GUTFELD: I can't hear you.
BOLLING: What do you make of this? I mean, the defense is, and we're talking about the accusation that the democrats paid for protesters to incite violence at a Trump rally. I mean if that's true and (inaudible), it's horrible, right? And then the question is .
BOLLING: . it's the only defense while those tapes might be doctored?
WILLIAMS: No, no, no. I think there are a couple things to say here and I've said it to you before. One is, I don't -- I think that there was a combusted atmosphere. Trump rallies, I've seen anything wrong. Two, I think that you have people like young college kids in Chicago, the scene that we just saw where the young man was being taken-off the stage by the police. Those people, they're leftie activists, anarchists types and they get there and they, they maybe with move on or whatever, you know, Occupy Wall Street. And those people, I think, they're going to go there and they're going to start trouble and they're going to stop Trump from speaking. And in fact, that's what they did that night in Chicago, as I recall. The third things -- thing to say is, guess what? You know what? Donald Trump's foundation gave money to O'Keefe. And O'Keefe -- I don't know why anybody would think, hmm, there's a problem -- wouldn't think there's a problem with James O'Keefe and his record. He's had to pay lawsuit settlements. This is a guy that has been proven to have misled people who want to be his supporters on the right on issues like the abortion tape, the Planned Parenthood tapes.
BOLLING: Well, so you --
WILLIAMS: And I'm just saying --
BOLLING: I think at the end saying that the defense is -- they may be doctored?
WILLIAMS: We don't know.
BOLLING: From that?
WILLIAMS: We don't know. And he doesn't have a high level of credibility. That's all I'm saying.
BOLLING: All right. So Greg, your thoughts on -- on all of this?
GUTFELD: But this is --
BOLLING: Of course.
GUTFELD: This is again an example of how the right is catching up to the left. The left have had people like Michael Moore for ages. And violence is always OK on the left because your heart is in the right place. For example, if you remember the riots -- and the WTO riots. They made a movie out called -- "A Battle in Seattle." So as long as, you know, you have some kind of romantic -- I'm for the little guy, you can do any violence you want. The other rule is a corrupt republican always makes bigger news than a corrupt democrat, that (inaudible) makes his point that like, you know, Trump is known for the sex allegations. On Hillary, they are using plants to incite violence. If you reverse those two stories .
GUTFELD: . and it was the Clintonians (ph) sexual allegations, people would make excuses for it, as they already have for Bill. And using plants to incite violence by Trump would be seen as the worst thing that could ever happen in the history of the world. So what the -- republicans are already in the hole, because for some reason, even the left expects better of us. Isn't that funny?
BOLLING: What's the line?
GUTFELD: They expect better from us.
BOLLING: What's the line, if it bleeds it leads? Well, it's bleeding and it's not leading anywhere. What's leading is, you know, as Greg points out, Trump's sex allegations or he said something about contesting elections.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I think this was a strong, powerful moment for Trump to bring it up. It looked like Hillary was in kind of shocked disbelief because he made a very -- like you know, strong claim accusing her and the White House, and she did -- well, that's what he did say. He did accuse them.
WILLIAMS: No, but I was -- no, but I say --
GUILFOYLE: And which was kind of like surprising to accuse and say the .
GUILFOYLE: . White House was directly involved and complicit in this. So that's a very bold statement to make during, you know, a debate like that when she was questioned later on her plane, she was like, have some food and drink, I can't get into every one of his conspiracy theories. So that's what we have. But I also think when somebody is accusing of something like that, I thought she should have said something back to defend or say that she had nothing, you know, to do with it. I didn't feel she's kind of -- maybe it was a strategy that she had in the debate prep, to not go and defend herself because he made some very strong allegations at her. And that was one of them, the kind of was left on the table.
PERINO: Yeah, like what if, what if an e-mail surfaces that show --
PERINO: That later on, it looks like there is a tie to it.
WILLIAMS: Well --
PERINO: She was trying to dodge it.
GUILFOYLE: I think --
WILLIAMS: I see that's what would --
GUILFOYLE: I think that why they did on purpose.
WILLIAMS: That's what I was going to say. So -- if there is a chain, and you can say Hillary Clinton's campaign was responsible for this, then you got a story. But right now, there is no story.
BOLLING: But the DNC clearly, well --
WILLIAMS: No, (inaudible).
GUTFELD: Fire somebody.
BOLLING: Yeah, but they --
WILLIAMS: That's right.
BOLLING: But isn't that admitting guilt?
WILLIAMS: No, no.
BOLLING: You fire someone you're, you're basically saying what's on the tapes must be real, right?
WILLIAMS: No, you are reaching here. They're trying to just keep this at --
BOLLING: Am I wrong?
WILLIAMS: And I think if republicans, if weren't for that .
GUILFOYLE: It's worth checking out.
WILLIAMS: . I would hope that they would get in touch people.
BOLLING: If you fired someone based on what was on that tape .
PERINO: But you can set --
BOLLING: . you can't be aren't sure what was on the tape.
PERINO: Well, you can settle a lawsuit without admitting guilt. So I think you can fire somebody without admitting .
BOLLING: All right.
PERINO: . blame.
BOLLING: We'll leave it right there. Last night Hillary tried to diffuse all those damaging revelations from the WikiLeaks dumps, but Trump wouldn't let them slide. That's coming up next.
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TRUMP: The WikiLeaks just actually came at John Podesta said some horrible things about you. And boy was he right? He said some beauties. Podesta said you have terrible instincts. Bernie Sanders said you have bad judgment. I agree with both.
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WILLIAMS: Donald Trump taunting his rival with her words, words from her campaign chair as well. That's according to hacked e-mails released by WikiLeaks. Clinton tried to undo the damage caused to her campaign by shifting the focus to Russia and Vladimir Putin.
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CLINTON: What's really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans. Will Donald Trump admit and condemn that the Russians are doing this? And make it clear that he will not have the help of Putin in this election.
TRUMP: I don't know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good.
He has no respect for her.
CLINTON: Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States.
TRUMP: No puppet. No puppet.
CLINTON: And it's pretty clear...
TRUMP: You're the puppet.
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GUILFOYLE: Puppet. We saw the puppet.
GUILFOYLE: On the show.
WILLIAMS: But Greg...
GUILFOYLE: Tremendous hair.
WILLIAMS: ... I thought, in fact, that was a moment when Trump had Hillary on the ropes. And she, you know, pivots off the ropes, brings up Putin. And he goes in on Putin, and he's trying -- ends up trying to defend Putin, which I don't think is politically advantageous.
WILLIAMS: So at the end of this period, Chris Wallace says, "Boy, we got a long ways away from anything that we were talking about here."
GUTFELD: Well, this is the dilemma. OK? We can legitimately nail Hillary for carelessly treating classified information. But how can you do that while championing actual espionage against your own government?
The Russians are plotting to subvert an election to foment some kind of dissension. They're trying to do -- I don't believe it's a revolution. Perhaps it's revenge against our meddling in the Ukraine or elsewhere. And Putin's just exacting revenge.
But the fact it, you go after her about her e-mails, but then you say, this is -- that WikiLeaks is OK. WikiLeaks is espionage. It's allowing another government to undermine our government.
Interpol just arrested another Russian link to the hacking scheme here. We know Podesta fell for a phishing scheme where he opened a link that looked like a Gmail -- a Gmail account. And that's how they got him. And that's how they ended up getting your phone number, Juan, which I've been answering every day.
WILLIAMS: Apparently, a lot of people want to talk to me.
GUTFELD: Yes, I've been taking massage orders from men in Ohio.
WILLIAMS: Yes, wearing panties.
GUTFELD: That is not untrue, by the way.
GUILFOYLE: We disavow that statement. I have something serious.
GUTFELD: Save it.
PERINO: Save us.
GUILFOYLE: So here's an opportunity. Right? Dana, you talked about a lot of people said there's some opportunity there. Definitely, you know, Trump had a good debate performance. He hit some points on her, was solid, and she didn't refute a lot of it.
Here is an opportunity here where she's saying, "Look, this is determined by intelligence agencies. That, in fact, has verified that the Russians have hacked servers."
And then he needs to follow up and say, "But yet you believe that the Russians didn't hack and couldn't hack your e-mail server and that it was secure. So you can't have it both ways." That's another opportunity to kind of get in her at that. Because that made us less safe. If the Russians are capable of hacking all this, you had your own personal server, which was not recommended or proper policy. Therefore endangering national security.
WILLIAMS: Well, he didn't do it.
GUILFOYLE: "You cannot be trusted."
WILLIAMS: He could -- that would have been awesome.
BOLLING: Juan, I know you want to go. Let me just add one more thing.
WILLIAMS: All right.
BOLLING: The right answer to that one, the Russians come up, with either Chris or Hillary as you say, stop right here. If you're really that worried about Putin and if you're really that worried about Russians, why did your State Department and why did you sign off on selling them 20 percent or 25 percent of U.S. uranium? Because that deal -- if you're worried about them and they have the bomb, you don't do that. You keep that here.
WILLIAMS: By the way...
BOLLING: That undermines the whole Russian...
GUILFOYLE: You said that to me last night, during the debate.
WILLIAMS: I think -- I think we weren't meddling in the Ukraine. I think they're the ones who...
GUTFELD: Yes. Just -- you know.
WILLIAMS: Hillary Clinton was also pressed about the Clinton Foundation. Here she is dodging Chris Wallace's questions about pay-for-play allegations.
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CLINTON: Everything I did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interests and our values. I'm thrilled to talk about the Clinton Foundation, because it is a world-renowned charity. And I am so proud of the work that it does.
TRUMP: It's a criminal enterprise. Saudi Arabia giving $25 million, Qatar, all of these countries. You talk about women and women's rights. So these are people that push gays off business -- off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. And yet you take their money.
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PERINO: I thought that was one of his best answers of the night. I would add when he talked about the middle east and the state of the middle east and the connections that you can draw directly to Obama decisions of which she was a part of the administration. That was very good.
The other thing about her, I think she dodged that question, basically. She sort of avoided it. And America Rising PAC, today they had a video that I clicked on. It was a legitimate link. It was not a fishy link. About how Doug Band from Taneo (ph) and the Clinton Global Initiative talking about gifts that were given directly to Bill Clinton.
And this has been an organization that definitely has helped deliver HIV/AIDS drugs to people who are suffering around the world. And at the same time, taking money that is very questionable, and I think any other group probably would have been nailed on it. But she dodged it and probably is going to get away with it.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think, you know, there was another one where borders -- I think the open borders, she is able to move away. Trump didn't -- couldn't hold her in place.
Another big topic of the night was abortion. Does Trump want to overturn Roe versus Wade? Does Hillary still believe the unborn don't have constitutional rights. Chris Wallace got answers. Watch next.
GUILFOYLE: Well, millions of women in America were listening very closely last night when Trump and Clinton shared their positions on abortion. Whomever ends up in the Oval Office will be appointing justices to the Supreme Court who could potentially reverse a landmark abortion decision. Trump was asked about it.
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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn Roe versus Wade which includes, in fact states, a woman's right to abortion?
TRUMP: Well, if that would happen, because I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life judges, I would think that that will go back to the individual states.
WALLACE: Do you want to see the court overturn Roe versus Wade?
TRUMP: Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that's really what's going to be -- that will happen. And that will happen automatically, in my opinion, because I am putting pro-life justices on the court.
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GUILFOYLE: Chris Wallace pressed Clinton on her position. He asked why she voted against a ban on late term partial birth abortions, and then Trump piled on.
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CLINTON: Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion, so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account.
And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case. I do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions.
TRUMP: If you go with what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.
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GUILFOYLE: OK. Women, Dana, obviously listening very closely to the answers that both candidates gave. Trump right away stood up and said, "I am pro-life. I will appoint justices that are pro-life. Believe this should go back to the states." And then when Chris pressed him, he said, "Yes, I believe it will probably happen automatically and pretty quickly, because I will appoint two to three."
PERINO: Well, he -- but he avoided the question. And the question was, do you want Roe v. Wade to be overturned? And I think that his answer was one that he probably had in debate prep. He's like, don't get into it.
He was stronger for -- if you're a pro-life person, his answer on partial birth abortion was persuasive. For her -- we talked about the substantive issues at the beginning. I think that her answers were specifically geared towards the suburban women that she's doing very well with that he is not doing as well with and needs to do better with.
And I do think that if you -- I'm a pro-life person. And it's difficult to talk about abortion. For me, it's difficult. I admire people who are able to stand by their faith and talk about it publically. I think that Governor Pence did a wonderful job of talking about it in the vice- presidential debate.
GUILFOYLE: He did.
PERINO: But President [SIC] -- Hillary Clinton, Secretary Clinton, when she was talking about her view, it was as impassioned. And I do think that, on that point, with the audience that she cares about, she won.
GUILFOYLE: Now, so Bolling, that probably, obviously, was strong for conservatives, pro-life conservatives, evangelicals, core...
BOLLING: Constitutional conservatives.
GUILFOYLE: Right. For...
BOLLING: And then straight down the line.
GUILFOYLE: Did he need help with those groups? And to shore it up, did he get any benefit from it?
BOLLING: That's a good point. Great point. Maybe he already had them. I mean, that's very possible.
There is the knock that Donald Trump isn't a true conservative. Maybe he wants some votes in, you know, that -- that group that says, "I want to vote for the guy, because he's a Republican, and I definitely don't want the Democrat. But he's not conservative enough for me."
And again, for me, this has come down to the single-issue vote. Again, it's the Supreme Court. Yes, abortion falls under it, no matter what your feelings are on abortion. But so do Second Amendment rights. So does immigration. So do a vast many other things that fall under the Supreme Court.
And for -- and I think Trump -- you're right, that's the only answer he could have provided at that moment.
GUILFOYLE: Right. And he tried to really hit the partial birth abortion, late-term abortion.
BOLLING: It's not a copout to say it will go back to the states, because if you're a true conservative, you believe everything should go back to the states.
GUILFOYLE: OK. So Greg, what did you think of the two answers, juxtaposed? How did they do?
GUTFELD: Well, it was just unusual, because this is the third debate, and this is -- it just shows you how rare social issues have come up in this kind of new election, where you have, basically, Trump, who's a non- ideologue who, for the longest time, was pro-choice. Very, very pro- choice.
But the interesting thing I always go back to is if fetuses could vote, what party would they belong to?
GUTFELD: You know? Talk about a silent majority.
And you look at, like, what outrages you? We -- you know, Roe v. Wade, it's not going to be overturned. But you should -- there should be moral outrage regarding practices like partial-birth abortion. And if you -- what the left does is they disingenuously extend your outrage to all parts of abortion.
And the fact is what that does is it puts everybody on their back foot who have understandable outrage.
But if you don't have a certain kind of outrage about this, then, in a sense, everything is permissible. You can do anything. And there will be, in the future, moral, philosophical arguments by ethics. People that work, say, for the White House will be discussing whether or not you should be able to put to death babies that are born unhealthy.
I mean, you could extend this beyond childbirth...
GUTFELD: ... to an entirely new disturbing area. And there are ethicists who actually entertain these kind of thought experiments about what you do with people who are burdens.
WILLIAMS: Yes. Death panels. Remember that?
WILLIAMS: So I think that's an extension of the argument.
But the problem -- I strongly disagree. Because I think Trump refused to say that he wants Roe v. Wade overturned. Instead, he's tried to dodge -- he was slippery on it and then used the states as a fallback. And I thought he couldn't pivot.
And then he put himself in a position where he used what Hillary Clinton called scare rhetoric: rip the baby from the mother in the ninth month. And, you know, to me, Hillary Clinton, when she came back and said, to your point, Greg, government should not be involved in such personal decisions about a woman and her health, leave it to the women, leave it to her doctor, leave it to her faith, to me that's pretty strong.
GUTFELD: But the government is already involved. Correct?
WILLIAMS: But government -- when she talked about the Chinese and the Romanians making choices for women.
GUTFELD: Which will be next. It's happening.
GUILFOYLE: Also, the health of the mother involved. No one is saying, "Hey, the mother should die and the child..."
WILLIAMS: That's why she said she voted as she did in the Senate.
GUILFOYLE: She's using those tactics, too, and saying that Planned Parenthood would be completely de-funded. And the issue was about federal funding for abortion services versus health of the women and wellness checks, and that type of thing, those type of female things.
GUTFELD: Female things.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. You know about them, Greg.
PERINO: We know those.
GUILFOYLE: Now that the debates are over, where will the race turn next? If you want to know, stay tuned.
GUTFELD: The debates are finally over. Where will this election go in the final 19 days?
Kimberly, I think there are going to be more shoes falling than your closet during an earthquake.
GUTFELD: What do you predict?
PERINO: There goes one.
GUTFELD: There you go.
There are millions of men around the country...
GUILFOYLE: A lot of (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
PERINO: We aim to please.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, exactly. Where do I think it's going to go?
GUTFELD: You've got 30 seconds.
GUILFOYLE: I think that Trump is feeling confident after he delivered that performance except for the fact that he's saying he might contest the election. He's saying, "I'll surprise you." But other than that, I mean, look, I still -- I don't think Clinton should think this is over by a long shot.
GUTFELD: Thirty seconds, Juan, if it's possible.
WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, right now...
GUILFOYLE: Picking my shoe up.
WILLIAMS: ... I'm not sure what he can do, because that was the last major opportunity to change the direction. Right now you have so many states that are supposedly red states that look like they're actually turning blue. I'm thinking here even Utah, Arizona, Georgia. I don't know how he turns that around.
BOLLING: There's one other opportunity, and that's tonight, Al Smith dinner. If you've never seen this, you've got to tune into this. FOX is going to cover it. Probably during the 9 p.m. hour, maybe going into the 10, as well. Both candidates will be there, and they'll be roasting each other and themselves. Tongue in cheek, fun.
PERINO: I hope it's fun.
BOLLING: Bush 43 was hilarious, and so was Obama.
GUILFOYLE: Are you going?
BOLLING: So tonight, FOX News probably...
PERINO: I'm not going to miss that.
GUILFOYLE: You went one time, Bolling.
BOLLING: It was amazing. Hilarious.
PERINO: To Juan's point, Michelle Obama is in Arizona right now. Trying to rally the troops out there. And she's saying that by saying there's a rigged election, he's trying to make sure you don't come out and vote. But I'm telling you, your vote matters.
And so they've deployed their most important asset in the campaign, Michelle Obama, to a red state, because they're going to try to make a play and expand the map.
The other thing is, I saw there's a lot of disappointment that one of your favorite subjects has not come up in any of the debates.
GUTFELD: Artificial intelligence?
PERINO: Climate change.
GUTFELD: Oh, you're being sarcastic.
PERINO: There's a lot of disappointment on the left.
GUTFELD: Yes, I saw that.
My only point is, you know, they didn't shake hands yesterday before the debate. And I don't think they shook hands after. I was at the airport. I wanted to look at politics. And the bartender said, "You know what? A lot of people, they don't want to have politics at the bar or at the casino, because people are getting so upset."
So my final thought is, when this is all over, will we be able to forgive and forget?
GUILFOYLE: We couldn't get it at the casino either.
GUTFELD: Yes. Will we all be able to get along again? Like a family.
GUILFOYLE: We can hug it out later.
GUTFELD: That's all I wanted to know.
PERINO: But for the next 19 days.
GUTFELD: They also want your shoe. "One More Thing" is up next.
PERINO: So it's time now for "One More Thing." I'll go quickly. So tonight, there's the Al Smith dinner. You're going to want to watch that live on FOX. But if you are channel surfing during commercial breaks, which you shouldn't do, go to my live book signing. I'm going to have Jasper there. We have a little video.
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PERINO: I was noticing these hilarious Photoshops on Twitter from an anonymous person named FiveFanPhotoshop. And he would put Jasper into different settings, whether news of the day or on set with us on "The Five" or "Red Eye."
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GUILFOYLE: No, I want it.
PERINO: That was the jacket everybody wore in New Hampshire. It was Greg's, but we all had a time in it.
GUILFOYLE: Who wore it best?
PERINO: Kimberly, definitely. You won that contest. I hope you will join me tonight. It will be fun.
GUTFELD: All right.
GUILFOYLE: Jasper, legit online.
PERINO: Eric, you're next.
BOLLING: So very quickly, last night she said this. Hillary Clinton said this, blew my mind. Listen.
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CLINTON: He has cut the deficit by two-thirds.
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BOLLING: So here is what we thought we'd do. Economics lesson for Hillary Clinton. Let's talk about the deficit. Here's the deficit. The last Bush deficit was $459 billion. President Obama raised the deficit for the first three or four years of his presidency, brought it back down to $587 billion.
But you want to know what the reality is? That he actually increased the deficit by $127 billion, or 128 percent of Bush's deficit.
And let's talk about debt very quickly. Here's what he inherited, $10.6 trillion in debt. He is going out with $19.6 trillion. He tacked on $9 trillion in debt. So deficits and debt hasn't been a pretty picture. Sorry.
WILLIAMS: Gee, wonder about that recession.
GUTFELD: All right. It is...
BOLLING: It's what she said. That's all I'm talking about.
GUTFELD: What she said.
GUILFOYLE: Who's a toddler?
PERINO: I'm going to go to Greg next.
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GUTFELD: I hate these people!
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GUTFELD: You know what I hate? I fly -- took a red eye last night on Virgin. I love Virgin American. It's my favorite airline. But they always do this. Can we play this for a second?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): In the unlikely event we need to get you outside...
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PERINO: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: All right. So this is their safety instructional video. And they crank it up so loud. And it's like a really bad Black-Eyes [SIC] Peas -- Black-Eyed Peas song done by rejects from "Fame." It is the most insidious, horrible thing I've ever heard.
Virgin, I'm not going to fly anymore if you continue to play this video, especially on a red eye flight, when people are trying to sleep. Makes me sick to my stomach. I hate these people.
PERINO: And you know red eyes.
GUTFELD: Yes. I know red eyes.
GUILFOYLE: Thank God we weren't on the same plane, to hear you rant.
GUTFELD: I want the old-school flight attendant who has the little -- the little belt; they do the little belt thing.
GUILFOYLE: Fine. Gosh.
All right. Look at this amazing video coming out of Thailand. It's going viral. Now, this is a little young elephant rescuing a man in the river. He thought the man was drowning. So the baby goes in: "Let me save you. Let me save you." And this is Darrick Thompson, co-founder of the Save Elephant Foundation.
He was actually going for a dip in the river, but the elephant, Kham Lha, one of the foundation's rescued ones, was like, "I will save you," like "Baywatch." So she mistook him calling out to her from the water as a cry for help. Trying to save him by offering her trunk. Is this the cutest thing you've ever seen?
She's one of 70 elephants the foundation have rescued.
PERINO: They're amazing. Amazing animals.
GUTFELD: They got married later.
WILLIAMS: All right.
WILLIAMS: What a night for the first debate with a FOX moderator. FOX News was the most watched TV network for the third and final presidential debate according to early data. FOX News attracted 11 million viewers, 3.5 million in people age 25 to 34, that prize segment.
Total number of viewers tops not just FOX cable competition but all the broadcast networks.
WILLIAMS: Go, FOX News.
PERINO: Basically, we crushed it.
GUILFOYLE: Go, Chris Wallace.
GUTFELD: You're welcome, America.
PERINO: All right. "Special Report" is next.
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