Newt Gingrich: Deport every Muslim who believes in Sharia
Former House speaker outlines his plan for dealing with radical Islam in America on 'Hannity'
This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," July 14, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And this is a Fox News Alert. A horrific attack in southern France, at least 77 are dead, 50 injured after a truck driving at full speed plowed into a very large crowd in the city of Nice.
Welcome to "Hannity." We are in Cleveland, Ohio, tonight ahead of the Republican national convention. Authorities now say the massacre was deliberate, and France's president is, in fact, calling it a terrorist attack.
Joining us now tonight with the latest details is our own Benjamin Hall -- Benjamin.
BENJAMIN HALL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Sean, yes, that all too familiar news of another terror attack striking at the very heart of Europe. As you say, the death toll continues to rise. It does stand at 77 now, but there are 15 at least critically wounded and fears that that number might jump up towards 100.
This was during the celebration of French independence, Bastille Day, celebrating liberty, fraternity, equality on one of the most famous roads in the world. It was full of tourists. It was the definition of a soft target.
Soon after around 11:00 PM local, a truck pulled up slowly towards the end of the crowd. It had been closed to vehicles, that road, but suddenly, this truck accelerated and plowed into the people lining the beach, watching the fireworks. The truck zig-zagged through the people for over a mile before it was finally stopped.
There are also reports that the attacker had been firing through the window. Guns and grenades were found in the truck later, along with papers belonging to a French Tunisian man.
Footage of the scene shows a bloodbath, bodies littering the road, mangled and bloody. Families are trying to find family members that they had lost. Children's dolls have been seen lying next to the bodies. It is carnage.
ISIS-friendly Twitter accounts have been celebrating the attack, but there is no claim of responsibility yet, and still no word on the identity of the driver, of the attacker, though with the discovery of these papers belonging to the French Tunisian man, it is appearing that all too familiar connection to radical Islam may be true.
Now, the French president, Francois Hollande, has been speaking just in the last few moments, and he has said he's going to extend the heightened security level. Just before the attack, he had said he was going to reduce it. It's been at its highest level since the November attacks, and he had felt that after the European soccer tournament that maybe things are improving.
Well, that is not true. The threat level is as high as ever. He is talking about increasing security at the borders, mobilizing more police, and he has told hospitals in the area to get ready for victims.
So a tragic day, and we'll bring you more information, Sean, as we hear it.
HANNITY: All right, Benjamin, thank you. It is evil for sure in our time, very scary times.
Joining us now from our Washington bureau is our Fox News chief intelligence correspondent, our own Catherine Herridge. Catherine, the latest from you.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Sean. As Benjamin just said, a short time ago, the French president confirming 77 dead, many of them children, calling it an attack that strikes at the heart of the French identity coming on Bastille Day, the French president calling the perpetrators simply "fanatics."
Meantime, a former senior intelligence official is drawing our attention tonight to al Qaeda and this fall 2010 edition of its propaganda magazine, Inspire, where it calls on followers to use trucks as killing machines to mow down civilians. Al Qaeda and ISIS share the same techniques, but al Qaeda has been the one to first champion these styles of plots.
A U.S. government official tells Fox News that the Homeland Security secretary, Jeh Johnson, is receiving regular briefings on the attack. The official said, given the indicators -- a soft target in a major economic tourist hub on the French national holiday -- they all point to terrorism, and ISIS has become more brazen in its targets and its plots.
The officials said they are, quote, "starting with terrorism and then working back." The officials said the threat stream for trucks used as killing machines or laden with explosives was not in today's intelligence briefs, nor in recent days, and described the attack in Nice as a surprise, that they had been in effect blindsided.
Tonight, two sources, including one that tracks jihadist social media, report that ISIS accounts are, quote, "celebratory" and telling followers to use the Nice hashtags. This is not a claim of responsibility, and these are not leadership accounts, but it gives you a flavor of the attack's immediate impact.
Tonight, the White House issuing a statement condemning the attack in the strongest possible terms, saying that it is horrific and the U.S. government is offering assistance to investigate. In previous attacks, that has included signals intelligence from the NSA that is used to identify and track terrorists, as it did those responsible for the Paris massacre last November, Sean.
HANNITY: All right, Catherine Herridge, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
HERRIDGE: You're welcome.
HANNITY: And joining us now is the author of "Defeating Jihad" and the distinguished chair of military theory at the Marine Corps University, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Dr. Gorka, radical Islamists have been telegraphing this very specific attack now for a very, very long time! Is the West ever going to wake up in terms of what it is that the caliphate means? In other words, there is a purposeful caliphate by radical Islamists that they want Islam and Islamic law to rule the entire world. Do you think most people understand that yet?
SEBASTIAN GORKA, "DEFEATING JIHAD" AUTHOR: I think you do, Sean. I think Fox viewers understand it. The military that I have the honor of working with and the FBI agents that I work with, they get it. They get it.
That's not the problem. The problem are the decision makers, the people sitting in the White House, the National Security Council, Jeh Johnson, the attorney general. I mean, what is the president going to do tomorrow? Is he going to ban trucks in America? Because that's what he said after Orlando and San Bernardino. We have to ban semi-automatic rifles.
I mean, this is the absurd situation. We have a political elite in a fantasy land, and we have you, your viewers, your family, my family living in the world of the caliphate expanding and taking its war to America and to our allies, Sean.
HANNITY: You know, I want to read something to you, Dr. Gorka, as we look at these horrific, evil images -- 77 dead, 50 people injured, more carnage, another terror attack. It seems the world does not want to wake up. The president did say a terror attack. He did not say it looks like an Islamic terrorist attack. We'll get to that later tonight.
But we have intelligence officials in this country -- they drew attention to al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and in the fall of 2010, they have an on-line edition of their propaganda magazine. I know you know it well. It's called Inspire. And it called on their followers to use trucks as killing machines to mow down civilians.
And by the way, al Qaeda and ISIS share the same techniques. The magazine reads, quote, "The idea is to use a pickup truck as a mowing machine, not to mow grass, but to mow down the enemies of Allah. To achieve maximum carnage, you need to pick up as much speed as you can" -- which, by the way, happened in this case -- "while still retaining good control of your vehicle. The ideal location is a place where there are maximum numbers of pedestrians and at least a number of vehicles -- in fact, if you can get through to a pedestrian only location that exists in some downtown areas."
Now, that spelled out -- that was spelled out in 2010, Dr. Gorka! And it seems like the West -- and I will include America in this -- is not taking this level of threat seriously, which is why we have incident after incident.
GORKA: Sean, this is exactly why I wrote "Defeating Jihad." I want to send a very clear message to all Americans. You are on the front line of this war. It's not just the people who wear the cloth of the republic or who carry a badge or a gun.
It's the soccer moms at the soccer game. It's the people picking up their groceries at the grocery store. It's those American kids in a concert, an American concert in downtown Paris or at a Christmas party in San Bernardino.
There is no front line on this war. The front line is when you leave your house in the morning. That's the front line. And this is the reality. The enemy has a plan. The enemy is dedicated.
And I know one thing, Sean, and you know this as well as I do. If the political correctness continues, we will see attacks like this in America. They will continue to bring the jihad to our shores. We have now -- it's gone up since we last spoke. We have now killed or arrested 107 ISIS individuals on U.S. soil since the caliphate was declared. Not 7, 107.
HANNITY: Dr. Gorka, many of the topics we've been discussing this presidential election season -- immigration, Donald Trump talking about at least a temporary ban on people coming from countries that practice sharia law -- we have -- we've watched the Islama-ization (sic) of Europe, and I've discussed it at length on this program and on my radio program.
You know, for example, most people don't know that Great Britain has 88 sharia courts or that no-go zones actually do exist in France. I know because I've covered it here on this program.
But if somebody grows up in a country that believes that men can tell women how to dress, whether they can go to school, whether they can go to work, if they tell women that they can't drive, if a woman needs four male eyewitnesses for rape, and you want to come to America, how do we know that you don't want to advance your theocracy, your caliphate, or whether or not you want to assimilate?
How can you possibly ascertain what is in the heart of that individual? It goes to the heart, the very heart, of this election campaign!
GORKA: Exactly, Sean. Without a doubt, this election, November, will not be about pocketbooks. It won't be about ObamaCare or tax rates. It's going to be about innocent people being mowed down as they have been in America and in Europe. It's going to be a national security election.
And what are the American people going to want more and more? Just look at Donald Trump's figures in the last 10 days. His figures are increasing because he says, I'm going to be a law and order candidate and I'm going to fight a war. He is explicit. This is a war.
This isn't violent extremism, as the Obama administration would have you believe. It's not about jobs for jihadis. It's about crushing a global conspiracy that wants to enslave or murder us, Sean! And people are ready. You know, after seven years, they're ready for leadership.
HANNITY: You know, I love the fact that you point this out. This is a winnable war. We are talking about the free world and the United States of America and the greatest military on the face of this earth.
But it really does highlight, you know -- when the president would use the euphemisms -- man-caused disasters, overseas contingency operations, workplace violence -- even today, he said -- yes, he did say "terror." I guess that's a step in the right direction. But he won't recognize Islamic terrorism, which is what this likely is.
And then we get to the issue of $150 billion to Iran. And then we get to the issue of pulling out of Iraq early and creating a vacuum in Iraq and Syria for ISIS. And then we get into the issue of the president giving Mohamed Morsi, a former Muslim Brotherhood terrorist, you know, F-16s and $1.5 billion in tanks.
And it really does highlight in retrospect how dangerous these decisions were, does it not?
GORKA: Oh, completely. I mean, thank you for honing in on the subtitle of my book. Everybody gives me grief that I say it's a winnable war. But it is winnable if we have American leadership.
But to win a war, you need two requirements, Sean. Number one, you have to admit you're at war, which this administration doesn't. And secondly, you have to want to win. And again, if you look at the decisions in Iraq, the decisions in Libya, in Syria, with Iran, it is not about winning.
The president has said -- the president has said that global warming is the primary threat to America. Well, I'd like somebody at a press conference tomorrow to ask him if he still thinks it's global warming that endangers the American citizen.
HANNITY: Wow. You know, you bring that up. You bring up jobs for jihadis. I mean, frankly, I don't have strong enough words to say just how asinine a lot of these policies are and these euphemisms are and these, you know, cliched statements of him.
The French mayor has spoken out. Now, we watched the unfolding of the refugee crisis all across Europe. We're debating how many people to take into this country. Donald Trump has pointed out that Hillary wants a 550 percent increase in the number of refugees that we're taking in. Each refugee, by the way, would cost the American taxpayer $20,000.
But now the French mayor says no more Muslims. He orders the destruction of certain places where there's over 7,000 Muslims in that particular area. We saw what happened in Germany. We saw what happened in Belgium.
Do you think Europe now revisits the idea of their immigration policies?
GORKA: Well, look, if common sense had any role to play, you'd think it would. I think the Brexit is an indication of the average person saying enough is enough.
I mean, you know, just a couple of data points, Sean. Somebody who tracks these things in the government sent me a map of Nice this evening. Within walking distance of the promenade where the attack occurred is a (INAUDIBLE) sensitiv (ph), what others have called an enclave. Within walking distance of the attack is an area that does not have full sovereign control by the federal authorities.
Secondly, this should make everybody wake up. I've been told by a very reliable source that of 2,000 refugees we've let into the country recently from the war zones in the Middle East, once they are given refugee status and handed over to the charities that house them and give them addresses, the federal authorities are not allowed to know the address of where they're living because that impinges upon their privacy rights. Think about that, Sean.
HANNITY: Yes.
GORKA: It's insanity. It's insanity!
HANNITY: It is. I want to lean on your position as the distinguished chair of military theory at Marine Corps University, Dr. Gorka, and I want to ask you this.
I look at Vietnam. I look at 58,000 Americans died in that conflict, in that war. I look at Iraq and I look at Afghanistan, and I see that 5,000 American, you know, men and women, American treasure, blood, sweat, financial cost and tears -- and I see in each conflict in war, maybe they start out with all the best intentions. These wars then get politicized in D.C. We end up pulling out early, and the very gains that these Americans sacrificed for are then handed over to the enemy.
I don't think we can fight wars this way anymore. We can't have kids go to Iraq or go to Afghanistan, and they don't even have up-armored Humvees and knocking door to door, you know, trying to find a single terrorist in one place.
You talk about winning this war. How do we win this war without the political -- without politics getting in the way and stopping victory?
GORKA: We can't. If we allow politics into the threat assessment or national security, we will continue to lose. The political elite -- look, I completely dismiss this conventional wisdom of what is called the CNN effect, that if sooner or later we see too much bloodshed, too many of our Marines or soldiers injured, and then the American public says, enough. Bring them home.
It's not true, Sean. The American public will support any war that is just if the leadership in Washington explains to them the stakes involved. Look at World War II. We mobilized 12 million Americans to destroy the Nazis!
We need the leadership in D.C. to say, Look, if we don't win this war, your children may be targeted. That's what it takes.
HANNITY: Yes. Dr. Gorka, I always appreciate having you on. I wish -- again, we see evil in our time. America defeated fascism and Nazism and imperial Japan, and America can defeat this evil enemy in our time. But we better have the will and the desire and the knowledge the and understanding of what it is we're facing, or we will not win. Dr. Gorka, thank you.
We'll continue. We'll monitor breaking news out of Nice and France and the latest on this very evil terror attack. We'll check in next with former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich as we continue from Cleveland, Ohio, ahead of the RNC convention.
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HANNITY: And this is a Fox News Alert. A massacre in France. At least 77 are dead, including children. and 50 are wounded after a truck mowed down people during a celebration in France earlier today. France's president is calling this a terrorist attack.
Here with reaction tonight is former speaker of the House. Newt Gingrich is with us. Mr. Speaker, I don't want to really tie this into politics, but every issue America is now dealing with, every issue that we have discussed in recent months and years about the Islama-ization of Europe, about refugees, about immigration, about open borders -- it seems to come together, and also political correctness and not recognizing radical Islamic terrorism as the enemy and evil in our time.
From your perspective, what does this tragedy, this evil attack tonight, mean for that conflict and debate?
NEWT GINGRICH (R), FMR. HOUSE SPEAKER: Well, first of all, Sean, as you know, I was in Paris just last weekend talking with people who are deeply involved in trying to deal with the Iranian government and other sources of terrorism.
And let me also say Daniel Silva has a remarkable new novel called "Black Widow." And the entire opening section is on the systematic Islamic attack on Jews in France, which is the worst it's been since the Nazis.
So let me start with where I'm coming from, and let me be as blunt and as direct as I can be. Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in sharia, they should be deported. Sharia is incompatible with Western civilization. Modern Muslims who have given up sharia, glad to have them as citizens. Perfectly happy to have them next door.
But we need to be fairly relentless about defining who our enemies are. Anybody who goes on a Web site favoring ISIS or al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail. Any organization which hosts such a Web site should be engaged (ph) in a felony. It should be closed down immediately.
Our forces should be used to systematically destroy every internet-based source. And frankly if we can't destroy them through the internet, we should destroy them with kinetic power, using various weapons starting with Predators and just -- frankly, just killing them.
I am sick and tired of being told that the wealthiest, most powerful civilization in history, all of Western civilization, is helpless in the face of a group of medieval barbarians, who, for example, recently burned 20 young women to death -- burned them to death because they wouldn't have sex with them, a group which beheaded recently in the Philippines two Canadian businessmen.
And we're told to be reasonable, to be passive, to not judge. Well, I just want to tell you tonight everybody who watches this video, this is the fault of Western elites who lack the guts to do what is right, to do what is necessary, and to tell us the truth, and that starts with Barack Obama!
HANNITY: That's a powerful statement. I agree wholeheartedly. Let me go back to the beginning of your statement. You said Western civilization is at war, and you said sharia is incompatible with Western civilization. Here's my question because it goes to the heart of the refugee debate, statements made by Donald Trump that until we're able to vet people coming from countries that practice sharia, they shouldn't be allowed into the country. So it's a big part of our national security debate heading into the election.
So my question is if you have a clash of cultures and people believe they can tell women how to dress, whether they can work or drive or go to school, and they treat women like second-class citizens, and you can't build a temple, and you can't build a Christian church, and so they're against women and gays get murdered for being gay -- so there's attacks against women, gays, Jews and Christians.
How do we ascertain -- how do you possibly ascertain whether or not that person really wants assimilation, really wants a new life, or whether or not they want to expand that caliphate, which is what we're at war against?
GINGRICH: Look, the first step is you have to ask them the questions. The second step is you have to monitor what they're doing on the internet. The third step is -- let me be very clear. You have to monitor the mosques. I mean, if you're not prepared to monitor the mosques, this whole thing is a joke.
Where do you think the primary source of recruitment is? Where do you think the primary course of indoctrination is? You've got to look at the madrassas. If you're a school which is teaching sharia, you want to expel it from the country.
We have to understand this is -- we are behaving as though we are insane. We're like sheep wondering why the wolves keep killing us. These people are opposed to our way of life. They are opposed to our value system. They are opposed to our various religions. They're opposed to the whole concept of freedom, and they're very honest about it. They tell us what they want to do.
And again, I just want to cite because it's so remarkable -- I mean, Daniel Silva's new book, "Black Widow," which is a novel -- the opening couple of chapters are so scary in being exactly what you just saw tonight in Nice, that I can't recommend it too highly.
HANNITY: You know, there's a propaganda magazine by al Qaeda, and in 2010, our intelligence officials drew from it. It called on followers to use trucks as killing machines and mow down civilians. And al Qaeda and ISIS share the exact same techniques.
You know, a very prominent national security figure once pulled me aside recently and said to me, Europe is gone, and he was explaining -- 88 sharia courts in Great Britain. He said no-go zones are real, separate and apart -- not a part of assimilating with European society, and that Europe is going to be subject to attack after attack after attack, and America is probably 10, 15, to 20 years behind in making the exact same mistakes.
Is he right in that assertion?
GINGRICH: Well, the director of French intelligence said yesterday, ironically, that Europe's on the edge of a civil war. And I think that's probably true. You look at the number of rapes and assaults in Germany last year, which only now is coming out, over 1,200 women raped and assaulted in Germany by people who are here from places like Syria.
You begin to realize that the whole elite media, the whole elite political class has been desperately trying to keep the lid on the truth of where we are and what our situation is.
Again, let's take a couple simple examples. The sharia courts in Britain should be outlawed. Why should you tolerate a religiously imposed court and is opposed to the civil society all of us agreed to be part of? That's a total repudiation of everything that goes back to the Magna Carta and the whole concept of English common law.
Similarly, here in the United States, why should we tolerate a single person coming here who doesn't want to become an American -- when they say, Well, the guy in Orlando, for example, who killed people at the gay nightclub, he's an American citizen. Fine. His father was committed to a radical version in Afghanistan. He said he was delighted at 9/11. I mean, the minute somebody says, I'm delighted at 9/11, that Americans were killed, I think we should put them under deep surveillance. That's strike one.
And I'd be like in a two-strike, not a three-strike model, and I think you either kick them out of the country -- and people tell me they can't do that to American citizens. We are in a war. We had better rethink the rules, or we are going to lose the war.
HANNITY: Mr. Speaker, let me ask you this. In light of all of these recent attacks, in light of Belgium and San Bernardino and Orlando and Paris not once, not twice, but now three times in this most recent attacks -- you think back to the beginning of the Obama administration -- overseas contingency operations, man-caused disasters, workplace violence, all of these ridiculous phrases -- and then a policy that gives $150 billion to the number-one state sponsor of terror, which is Iran. They pull out of Iraq and create a vacuum, an opening for ISIS to have financial support through the oil there. They never follow through in Syria.
You look at the series of decisions that the reluctance and resistance, as mysterious as it is, to even say radical Islamic terrorism -- and is this now the predictable result? Have we gone back to a pre-9/11 mindset?
GINGRICH: Well, let me say two things. First of all, everyone watching us should read General Mike Flynn's book, "Field of Fire," because he really outlines exactly the problem with the Obama administration, but also candidly, the problem with the Bush administration.
I encountered as early as 2002 and 2003 -- the State Department was saying, Oh, please don't talk about radical Islamists. Please don't talk about Islamic supremacists. So the State Department, which is probably one of the two worst departments in the United States, the other being the Veterans Administration -- the State Department is totally helpless. And even under the Bush administration, they followed a policy where they didn't tell the truth.
Remember, it's President Bush who says that Islam is a religion of peace, which is baloney. It's not that Islamists are necessarily evil...
HANNITY: Mr. Speaker...
GINGRICH: ... but they're not necessarily a religion of peace.
HANNITY: All right, we're going to have more with former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, talk a little bit of politics, not much, with him when we come back.
Also, we have more breaking news out of France. We'll check in with Donald Trump, Jr. We'll find out the campaign (sic). They have delayed the announcement of Donald Trump's vice presidential selection. We'll find out from Donald Trump, Jr., about that and much more straight ahead.
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HANNITY: And this is a Fox News alert. A horrific attack in southern France. The country's president is in fact calling this a terrorist attack. At least 80 now are dead, 50 are wounded after a truck plowed through a crowd during, of course, a celebration in France.
Now joining us, we continue with Newt Gingrich. Mr. Speaker, Donald Trump, we believe you were down to the final two candidates. He was expected to announce tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m. who his selection was for vice president. There was widespread speculation. "The L.A. Times," "Daily News," CNBC, "The Tribune," "The Guardian," "The New York Times," "Indianapolis Star," that in fact it was Mike Pence. I'm not sure. You don't have to answer this if you don't want. Have you heard from the campaign?
GINGRICH: I haven't talked to the campaign all day today. But let me say one more thing about Nice, if you don't mind. I fully expect by tomorrow morning that President Obama will have rediscovered his leftwing roots and will give a press conference in which he'll explain that the problem is too many trucks.
HANNITY: Trucks?
GINGRICH: If only we had truck regulation, then we wouldn't have problems like Nice because it is trucks that are dangerous. I mean that's the exact analog to Orlando and just tells you how nuts the leftwing in America is.
I have been talking with the campaign all day today. I think that probably Donald Trump did the right thing in postponing everything until tomorrow because this is such a horrendous event in France that we ought to focus on the historic nature of this. I hope he will give a very significant statement tomorrow on what's happened in France and lay out the kind of changes we need. I think that's the right thing to do.
And I'm sure at some point either tomorrow or Monday he will announce the vice presidential candidate. And at least at the moment, it certainly looks like it's going to be my good friend, Governor Mike Pence. We're very close colleagues. Mike and I go back many, many years, and I'm looking forward to -- you know, if I'm not the vice presidential nominee, I'm going to go all out for the ticket.
HANNITY: So you have not officially been told is how I'm interpreting that.
GINGRICH: I've not officially been told.
HANNITY: Let me ask you this. I actually heard Mike Pence once describe himself as a Reagan, Kemp, and Gingrich Republican. Your reaction?
GINGRICH: That's part of why I love the guy. I mean, look, I called him today and we chatted for a while about how we're going to help each other whatever comes out of this because we're both committed to victory over Hillary Clinton. We're both committed to helping Donald Trump be successful. And he pointed out to me back when he was running for the state legislature, way back in 1988, he had a whole bunch of go PAC training tapes I had done sitting on the floor of his car. He put them in his -- back then they were cassettes.
HANNITY: I listen to those too just for historical purposes. Between that and the renewing American civilization tapes, I've looked at all of those.
GINGRICH: Well, so it's pretty hard to not feel very close to a guy who can tell you that something like, you know, 28 years ago he was already in there trying to learn and study. We certainly have had a great relationship. He's been a very good governor of Indiana. I think he'd be very comfortable supporting me. I'm comfortable supporting him.
HANNITY: Look, I've been very vocal because I've known you since 1990 that I would like you to be the choice, and I know the decision has not been made in spite of a lot of media reports. But I want to ask you this question. Would it be fair to state that regardless of who is chosen, whether it's Mike Pence, Governor Pence, or yourself, that you will still prosecute the case against Hillary, especially on issues as important as the evil that we see unfolding in France tonight, that you would help the campaign, that any time you were needed or in some other capacity, you're on board helping Donald Trump any way you can? Is that a fair statement?
GINGRICH: Look, as an American citizen who comes out a background where my dad spent 27 years in the infantry, the idea of Hillary Clinton as the most corrupt person ever to be elected to president, the most dishonest person ever to be elected president, the most destructive of national security standards ever to be elected president, the idea of her winning motivates me every morning to help Donald Trump in every way I can, because I think she would represent a disastrous future for America. And I think we need to understand and be prepared to win the argument over that case.
In addition, as you were pointing out earlier, Hillary Clinton represents the State Department and the Obama administration and the total failure to confront the evil that we're now dealing with in ISIS and in Al Qaeda and in the various forms of Islamic supremacism.
HANNITY: I would argue that through the prism of history, we will look back on the Obama/Hillary Clinton era as the era of radical Islamic appeasement. I think it will go down in history as that profound. Mr. Speaker, I know we took a lot of your time tonight. Thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it.
GINGRICH: Good to be with you.
HANNITY: And coming up, we'll have more on the attack in Nice in France. We'll get reaction from Donald Trump Jr. as we continue from Cleveland, Ohio. It's HANNITY on the road at the RNC convention.
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HANNITY: And this is a Fox News alert. A massacre in France, at least 80 are dead, 50 injured, including, by the way, children and women. And of course this after a truck mowed down people during a celebration.
And joining us now is Donald J. Trump Jr. That's Donald Trump Sr.'s son, of course. Don, it's good to see you. I look at this latest example of evil in our time, and I think about what this campaign is all about. And I think about your father and talking about securing the borders and your father talking about refugees and your father talking about vetting people coming into the country, and your father identifying radical Islamic terrorism. Does this really highlight the biggest national security debate we're going to have in this presidential election, another attack again?
DONALD TRUMP JR., THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION: Well, good to be with you, Sean. And I think it does. I mean, the fact that we're seeing this, we're almost getting numb to it. I turn it on, I hear about a major terrorist attack. I say, oh, OK. It happened again.
You know, it's disgusting, and it's time we do something about it. This sort of culture of appeasement that we've grown so used to and our government is just perpetuating, it just doesn't work. And we're going to have to do something about it or it's going to keep happening. It's going to happen here. It's going to happen in Europe, and it's certainly going to happen in Europe given what's going on over there right now, what's going on over there over the last few months. And we can't let them happen here. And we have to let them figure out their problem too because theirs is worse than ours. But ours is going to get there.
HANNITY: And it really does highlight one of the big issues that -- I know your dad comes under fire sometimes, but I agree with him on the issue of refugees. If somebody is coming from a country where they grew up and what they understood as sharia law, men telling women how to dress, men telling women they can't drive a car, men telling women they can't go to school, persecution of gays and Christians and Jews, I think we owe it to the American people to vet those people properly. Hillary Clinton wants a 550 percent increase in the numbers of refugees that Barack Obama is bringing in. What's your response?
DONALD TRUMP JR.: Well, listen, A, it's crazy. B, on one of the other more liberal networks, somehow my remote got broken and I was watching one of those a little bit earlier tonight before you were on, Sean. And I don't know how it happened. I mean, every once in a while it happens but you got to see what the other side --
HANNITY: I forgive you. Don't worry.
DONALD TRUMP JR.: Even they were saying, hey, there's no reasonable way -- and this is right after speaking with Hillary Clinton. They're saying there's no reasonable way to actually vet these people.
Now, we have no problem with immigration, but you have to know what you're bringing into your country. You can't -- it's not a gambling ring. I mean, this is not a thing we say, hey, let's take a chance. Let's see what happens. I mean, it's very clear these organizations have made it year they're going to try to use immigration as a Trojan Horse to get their combatants into our country.
And this is a war, Sean. We can't be stupid. If we had a way to actually vet these guys, it may change it. But we don't. Our own people say we don't. And even if we did have a way to vet it, even if they went through the most strenuous process, it would take years to actually figure it out. I mean, I could probably go to Syria right now, I could walk into an office and for 20 bucks get a passport telling me that I'm Moses. It's ridiculous. And the fact that we're not acknowledging that it's ridiculous and that anyone could probably pull off everything and that there's no law and order in these places, we must be insane, Sean.
HANNITY: You know, I think we should be learning the lessons of Europe with the Islamization of Europe and the refugee crisis in Europe. You know, we see these attacks again in Paris and in Belgium and in Orlando and in Chattanooga and in San Bernardino. You know, as Newt said tonight, sharia is incompatible with western civilization. Couple that with borders that are insecure. It is at the forefront of this election.
Your father was supposed to -- and I actually think he made the right decision in light of what happened tonight and today. He was going to make his announcement for vice president. Newt Gingrich was on tonight and said he has not been notified by the campaign. He said he thinks that the reports may be true that it probably might be Mike Pence, and he would support him fully, but he would serve if your father asked. When would your father then likely make the announcement? I would assume he'd want to make it before the convention considering the media goes into their frenzy every time a vice presidential nominee is named.
DONALD TRUMP JR.: Yes. Well, he hasn't made his announcement. I do think it's appropriate to put it off for tomorrow. You know, I would imagine it will be over the weekend, but we'll see. I think we'll get together as a family again and discuss. You know, the good thing is we have a couple great guys to choose from. I've gotten to know them. Some of them I've known for a long time, especially if you include Chris Christie in there. All great guys, all very different characters, and it's nice to be able to say that we have this very eclectic group of guys, all of which have great experience, all of which would be happy to do it, and all of which either way we go are going to be involved in the administration going forward, because, I mean, for us, there's so much we can learn from those guys. All incredibly talented guys, all incredibly brilliant, and I'm excited to get to know them.
HANNITY: I've got to run. It is amazing how your dad was willing to step out on a limb and really has predicted the narrative that would guide this election. And we're going to be talking in the days, weeks and months ahead. Don Jr., thank you so much.
DONALD TRUMP JR.: Great to be with you, Sean. Thanks.
HANNITY: And coming up, we'll continue to monitor all the breaking news out of Nice in France. Our panel will weigh in next. We'll check in with Sheriff Clarke, Bo Dietl, and Geraldo straight ahead.
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HANNITY: And this is a Fox News alert. Terror has struck again in France as a truck plows through a crowd, killing now at least 80, including women and children. Here with reaction, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, Geraldo Rivera, and Bo Dietl. Guys, you've been watching all night. Sheriff Clarke, I'll start with you. Your reaction, and tie this into this election and the refugee issue and the immigration issue and the resistance to say "radical Islamic terrorism."
SHERIFF DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY: Terrorists are an unconventional enemy and they use unconventional tactics, as we saw tonight. I still think our national security people are using a very conventional approach. I'm tired of hearing about terror alerts and threat assessments. And I'm tired of getting reports that say a nonspecific threat from a credible source. Donald Trump is proven right every time one of these occurred. Today I heard Mrs. Bill Clinton say we need an intelligence surge. Sean, I've been around intelligence a long time. I do not know what the hell that is. There is a military solution --
HANNITY: She was part of the Iranian deal.
CLARKE: There is a military solution. And I'm also tired of hearing how our military is trying to win hearts and minds. The purpose of our military is to identify the enemy and kill it.
GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Sean, following up on what Sheriff Clarke has said, I think that it is absolutely indefensible that we have allowed this caliphate to exist for so long. They are safe in their havens in Raqqa and Mosul. As we besiege them slowly, slowly, slowly, they plot these dastardly attacks -- 80 killed, you mentioned children. Look at the video on the Internet. It is as appalling as you could possibly imagine. These are savages, and the fact that we have allowed them this safe haven from which to launch these attacks on the west I think is absolutely one of the most implausible things I can possibly think of.
HANNITY: Evil, Medieval barbarians, Bo Dietl, and it happened yet again.
BO DIETL, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Sean, this afternoon before this happened, I sent you some links from Paris. Cops getting shot, riots in the streets with these refugees, and what's happening in Germany, 1,200 people, females getting raped, London, rioting all over the place.
But for some reason, our news media keeps that from the United States. They don't want to show what this refugee influx does and what it is going to do to the United States of America. The news media is covering this up. They should be broadcasting that night what's going on in Paris, London, and Hamburg, and all the European countries, because it's coming to the United States. And if we don't stop the immigration, you know who is coming in here. We're going to have it in our backyard. That's why Donald Trump is starting to raise in the polls. I don't care if you're a Republican, Democrat, independent, there's one man that will handle it. Hillary Clinton will not handle this.
HANNITY: Real quick, 10 seconds.
RIVERA: To make it an immigration issue at this stage, right now it's a military issue. Let's wipe out the terrorists who want to wipe us off the face of the earth.
HANNITY: Western civilization is at war. We'll continue.
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HANNITY: This is a Fox News alert. A French official now saying, quote, "We are at war with terrorists," following, of course, the attack in France tonight. At least 80 dead, including women and children, another 50 are injured. Stay with the Fox News Channel for continuing coverage of the attack in France. Western civilization is at war, and sharia is incompatible with western civilization. Shep Smith is next.
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