This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 15, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle and this is a Fox News alert, some heartbreaking news a short while ago on the search for a 2-year-old boy snatched by an alligator at a Disney World Resort yesterday.
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SHERIFF JERRY DEMINGS, ORANGE COUNTY FLORIDA: We've recovered the remains of the 2-year-old from the water and that body has now been turned over to the Orange County Medical Examiner's office for an autopsy. The 2-year-old is Lane Graves. His body was completely intact. There's likely no question in my mind that the child was drowned by the alligator.
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GUILFOYLE: The child's body was found by divers today after he was dragged away by a gator in water near the resort where his family was staying. His father fought to wrestle him from the animal's jaws, but was sadly unable to set him free. More now on this tragic development from Peter Doocy who's live from Orlando. Peter?
PETER DOOCY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: And Kimberly, most families who visit Disney World want to take their young kids to meet Mickey or Minnie, but today, Matt and Melissa Graves got a visit from the sheriff and a priest who told them after a night and a day of waiting that their 2-year-old son Lane had been found in 10 -- in six feet of water, about 10 to 15 feet out in the murky man-made Seven Seas Lagoon between the Grand Floridian Resort and the Magic Kingdom; really one stop on the monorail between the two. We know that last night, according to the latest information that we have, Lane, the 2-year-old was playing along the water's edge. Disney says that they believe a movie night that happens in that general area had just wrapped up. An alligator somehow appeared, got a hold of him. His dad tried his best to keep a grip on his toddler son, but he could not. He was taken out, he was found somewhere in the general area of where he went missing, but the water was very murky, so it was very difficult. Now, for investigators, the focus becomes finding ways to prevent this in the future, but also finding the alligator responsible for Lane Graves' death. We're told that, so far, they have found and killed five alligators. They looked inside, they did not find any remains of Lane and as it turns out his body was intact. They believe that he drowned, but they just aren't sure if one of those five is responsible for Lane's death. That's going to be up to the medical examiner. So we do now know that they found Lane, the family has that information, but it's obviously going to be a very difficult trip back home to Nebraska for them. Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: OK. Heartbreaking story, thanks for that update, Peter. So, you know, we obviously have some thoughts and reflections on this. It's a very, very sad case and yet another tragedy happening in Orlando. We take it around the table. Juan, get your thoughts.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I mean, obviously we've just lived through the whole situation with the Cincinnati Zoo and the child and the gorilla so, there are lots of thoughts about children, parents in dangerous situations.
WILLIAMS: And the second thing here is that I'm surprised that the body was intact to be blunt. The "Daily Mail" is reported they thought, they interviewed the lifeguard and the lifeguard said the child was not just two feet in, but 10 feet into the water. So we don't know exactly all that took place here. But I tell you this, I remember being on vacation down in Disney with, when I had very young children and we were on a boat having dinner, and the waiter said to us, "Oh, save some of the rolls and just throw them over the side afterwards, all the gators will come get them." And we thought he was just playing with the kids, you know, like being like, you know, oh it's a pirate, scary stuff. So Rae-Rae, my daughter, actually took a roll and flung it. And my God, you should have seen the jaws just pop out of the water. I didn't realize that, that was a real threat.
GUILFOYLE: OK, that's disturbing. OK. I'll tell you, don't feed the alligators or the birds. OK, Bolling.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, all right. So I spent five years living in Central Florida, in Orlando, just outside of Orlando. Gators are everywhere. If you live there, you know gators are everywhere. That said this family is from Nebraska, they might not know that. Also, Disney is a controlled atmosphere, everything seems safe. Everything seems OK. That will lull someone to sleep. A lot of people are saying why would a family, why would a father let a 2-year-old toddler wander into the water. You don't expect that. At Disney it just there's a feeling of comfort of control and safe. I've been to this lagoon. I've been to Disney. I've been to the Grand Floridian. You feel OK. Look, in my opinion, this is not Disney's fault. There's a sign that says, no swimming. This is not the parent's fault. You don't expect your kid to be dragged off by an alligator. It's just a terrible accident. It's no different than if your kid, you take your eye off for a second, your kid wanders into traffic. It happens all the time. It's awful. We feel for the Graves' family. Central Florida, and just very quickly touch on that, I feel terrible for the people of Central Florida. Think of one week's time.
BOLLING: You have "The Voice" singer, Christina Grimmie, I believe her name was, them the 49 victims of the gay nightclub, and now the Graves family here. These families, this community, this sheriff has spent way too much time on TV .
BOLLING: . for all the wrong reasons. And obviously, all our thoughts and prayers go out to those people and continue to.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. It's a very sad day. And I mean, it just it makes you feel less safe like Bolling says, you know, Disney is supposed to be, and this one of the resorts that accompanying, you know, that general area. The safest, like happiest place, you know, on earth. And we also heard that the shooter had gone .
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Right.
GUILFOYLE: . to try and case Disney as well.
PERINO: But I just gonna bring that up. So that Disney, yesterday had to also deal with the news that came from the sheriff and the FBI investigation that Omar Mateen had actually cased Disney World in order to see if that was a place where he could carry out his terrorist attack, but he decided that the target was too hard, and that's why he decided to go to the Pulse nightclub, instead. I agree with Eric, these tragedies, tragedies happen to families for as long as families have been around, but I think that we were talking not too long ago, and Greg made the point that stories like this used to be local stories, but now because we have international news and 24/7, cable access and Facebook and all these, these stories become so much more magnified. And so, hopefully, the good thing of that will be that these families feel that they have more support and prayers that come in for them all around, not just Orlando area, but the country and the world will give them some comfort in their grief.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, how do you recover, you know, from a loss of a child like that, especially right, when you're right there, standing and you fought and couldn't save them. Greg?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't even -- are shocked that these creatures roam. It's even when you see them in their habitat, which is could be, this is a habitat. You're even shocked when you see them there. I have a friend who lives in an area where there are a lot of gators and it just seems even odd. And you see them in the water, but that's, that's where they live. The when a tourist from whether it is Nebraska or Hamburg, Germany, sees a sign that says, no swimming, they're probably assuming it's a rule because it's nighttime. You know they're not thinking, oh, it's no swimming because there are alligators, because they find it hard to believe that these two things would actually mingle. I mean what's interesting is, you have an autopsy, you'll find out if there were bites and the size of the bites, and things like that, the grim details. But yeah, you're right, nobody expects this even in the habitat.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean regardless of whether there's injury to the body that they'll discover. I mean obviously the child was drowned .
GUILFOYLE: . you know, by the alligator. The alligator is -- whether it's one of the five and five, you know, fine, any of them. The result is that it's a terrible loss in tragedy, you know, loss of this child in there. Thoughts and prayers go out to this family, you know. God bless them. This is a very tough time for them.
Ahead on "The Five," brand new developments on the investigation into the terror attack in Florida. Stay tuned for that.
GUTFELD: When Islamic terror strikes, blossoms of blame erupt. Rolling Stone blames guns, of course, the tool a terrorist uses, rather than the terrorist himself. So better to disarm than defend? No thanks. Guns don't cause terror, but it can surely stop it.
Trump blames terrorists, but "The View" blames Trump. "Huffington Post" and others somehow blame Christians; yeah, Christians. Their point is, it's not just Muslims who are bad, it's this guys who won't bake cakes. This is what identity politics has done: An attack on Americans used to be an attack on Americans. Now we just can't hold it together, even our president seems more worked up over reactions than realities:
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL, is to criticize this administration, and me, for not using the phrase "Radical Islam." What exactly would using this label accomplish? Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction.
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GUTFELD: Hmm. Yeah, he's ticked. But it's us who should be mad. Here's more blame from The New York Times. You're going to love this. "While the precise motivation for the rampage remains unclear, it is evident that Mr. Mateen was driven by hatred towards gays and lesbians. This is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit." This is amazing. See, it's Republicans, it's not terrorists. But wasn't the terrorist a Democrat? The orgy of blame generated by competing identities obscures a gleeful enemy that now nails soft targets at will. Deflection is denial as we can't admit the problem, which is Islamism. The consequence, the fight is not engaged, it wages longer, more people die. The sooner we admit the problem, the sooner we can get help. Send everyone to Islamophobia-phobia Anonymous to get over your fear of being called Islamophobic because it's not just fear, it's going to be our doom.
Dana, after each event everyone run rushes to their corner, in a way.
GUTFELD: Yeah. Was it all -- I mean, is this just the way it is now?
PERINO: I think -- I guess it is the way that it is now. It doesn't have to be, OK? And I think everyone is guilty of it, in some ways, partly because it happens so often that now it's this common occurrence. And so you see like, basically you have to fire up the old rinse and repeat talking points .
PERINO: . and get the president out there to give a statement. FBI is going to give a statement. I agree with you yesterday, you said Twitter is (inaudible). I mean like everyone makes their statements on -- tweets them out without thinking things through --
GUTFELD: I'm not talking -- not people, I'm talking about the media. There's a difference.
PERINO: I'm not a politician.
PERINO: I'm not a politician .
PERINO: . so like, in terms like just waiting for a second. The interesting thing on the piece about "The New York Times" saying that Mateen was motivated because of his hatred of gays and lesbians, and it's the republicans' fault, so we've just gone through a primary season where we had a very active electorate. I think the record setting. We did exit polls in almost every state. And across the board, in not one exit poll did republicans say that gay marriage was still their issue. It is the first presidential election, in many presidential elections, where gay marriage has not even been on the radar on either side.
PERINO: And so, I feel like a lot of these places like "The New York Times" editorial board want to refight a war they already won.
GUTFELD: Exactly, right.
PERINO: And they're dragging them. And that is displacing attention from the real problem, which is home-grown terrorism, recruitment by ISIS.
GUTFELD: Eric, it seems like it's just -- it's easier to deflect than to actually look terror in its face and see what it is.
BOLLING: Greg, I would like to start with, my name is Eric and I'm a radical Islamophobic.
BOLLING: But I don't want to get over it, nor it should we.
GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.
BOLLING: I think more people should be as well.
BOLLING: I mean, it is radical Islamophobia -- Islamism that's killing people; not Muslims, radical form of Islamism. But again, the moderate Muslims need to step up and turn in the radicals to make this work. As far as the media, what did you expect from "The New York Times"? What do you expect from Huff Po? Any chance they can .
BOLLING: . they're going to point the finger at republicans.
BOLLING: But the problem is, for how long now, democrats have said, we need to be the big tent. We need to embrace all forms of love -- fantastic, great. LGBT community, fantastic -- that's wonderful. But they've also said we need to incorporate this open country, embrace Muslims and all forms of other people as well, when you have the crossing of those two. Now this guy didn't shoot up, as far as we know right now, the gay club, because he was ticked off at gays. He shot it up because he pledge allegiance to al- Baghdadi and ISIS. We know, and his father knew it. So when you have that crossing --
PERINO: Disney was that target.
BOLLING: And yeah, Disney was too -- wasn't .
BOLLING: . a soft enough target.
BOLLING: He needed the fish in a barrel, so he did it there. But when you cross and then you push a democrat and say, what's it going to be? Are you gonna go -- are you gonna lean or you look, you know look into this issue, this open immigration policy that you all want, and say there are problems with it? Or are you going to say, we'll deal with more of these, because there will be a lot more of these. Because in the Koran, Dr. Gorka sat here last night and told us, in the Koran, if you don't ascribe to Sharia law, you're an infidel and you should be killed, and gays clearly don't.
WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I wouldn't go with that interpretation. I think he's right in terms of the -- what he says explicitly, but you can find that, I mean in the old testament, you can find issues like that, Eric. I mean, but it's there and people who want to read it, exactly and explicitly --
WILLIAMS: Yeah, if they want, it's there. But I mean, it's there for a lot of faiths and it's extreme and it's unpleasant. But I would say this to you, as someone who has been fired and accused of Islamophobia, I mean that's they fired -- I mean, don't know how else to say it.
GUILFOYLE: If you say the "but" first.
WILLIAMS: But -- but to me, what you've got here is a situation where you have to be very cautious in saying hey, wait, gay, you know homosexuality, homophobia had nothing to do with it. This guy seems to me was mentally unstable --
GUTFELD: But this is part of the identity -- this is part what identity is done is, it would -- he killed American citizens and we should, and I --
GUTFELD: You don't have to be gay to feel (inaudible).
BOLLING: And like this also --
GUILFOYLE: So where, where is the evidence that he had mental instability? Where is all that records, psychiatrists --
BOLLING: Oh, no --
WILLIAMS: Oh, no. I think the wife said --
WILLIAMS: The first wife said that he was abusive, Kimberly. And I think the people --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. He's abusive, that doesn't mean he was mentally ill.
BOLLING: Juan, he chose to shoot a gay nightclub, right?
WILLIAMS: Yes, yes.
BOLLING: Why, because there were gays there?
WILLIAMS: I don't know.
BOLLING: No, no, because do you remember what he say .
GUILFOYLE: Soft target.
BOLLING: He looked at Disney. How many gay people was he going to kill at Disney?
GUILFOYLE: Mickey mouse? I mean, really?
WILLIAMS: No, no, no.
BOLLING: So he chose -- not because there weren't enough gays to kill at Disney, he chose a gay nightclub because there were more people in one space in a room.
WILLIAMS: Well, (inaudible) --
GUILFOYLE: And loud music at night. You won't even know when people like, oh, wait. It's not part of the show, like the pop, the noise, same reason why the Bataclan was like an attractive target. They were both soft targets, they both had a large mass of people crowded together, confusion, trampling, and you can pick off more targets in an area. It's a target-rich environment, and it's a soft target.
WILLIAMS: Well, my point --
GUILFOYLE: So it really holds a no opposition to him.
WILLIAMS: I think you're making my point, which is this guy was unstable and seeking to kill people. But I don't know -- right.
GUTFELD: Unstable --
WILLIAMS: But I don't know --
GUTFELD: You're confusing unstable with Islamism.
GUTFELD: I might agree that Islamism is unstable, but that's what drove him.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think the question -- the open question in my mind is .
GUILFOYLE: They're evil.
WILLIAMS: . the settled question around the table. But an open question in my mind is -- is he someone who used Islam and radical Islam as a cover for the fact that he was a crazy person?
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
WILLIAMS: I mean if you think of --
PERINO: Well, that's not something to that.
WILLIAMS: You think of Hinckley, what did Hinckley do, right? He said, Oh I kill -- I want to shot Ronald Reagan for Jodie Foster, Greg?
GUTFELD: I don't think you have to be crazy to be a terrorist.
GUTFELD: It just have to follow a .
GUILFOYLE: Obviously --
GUTFELD: . pernicious, disgusting ideology.
GUILFOYLE: Hello? You can be an evil person.
GUILFOYLE: You can be someone that subscribes to, you know, Sharia law and be a radical Islamic terrorist.
GUILFOYLE: And that's what we saw here. And that is very much the case has made by the choice of his two potential targets -- Disney and Pulse; I mean, my goodness.
WILLIAMS: I think he was a loser.
GUILFOYLE: It's very -- OK, well .
BOLLING: Juan, this kid jump up at 14-years-old .
GUILFOYLE: . we can call him names, but it's all done in the name of religion.
BOLLING: . watch airplanes fly into the World Trade Center, and fellow classmates said he jumped up and said, "America deserves that."
WILLIAMS: Oh, that's sick. I mean, I --
BOLLING: Yeah, and it's also --
WILLIAMS: I don't know --
BOLLING: In Islamic, to radical Islamic --
WILLIAMS: Well, all I'm saying to you is what we know from the FBI, so far, is there is no evidence of him; even on his computers, and they've seized the computers, the cell phones. There's nothing that would indicate .
WILLIAMS: . any kind of organized track that this guy actually being directed, supervised, whatever.
BOLLING: He listened to .
GUILFOYLE: I'm sorry, and --
BOLLING: . al-Awlaki as .
GUILFOYLE: And cause -- yeah.
BOLLING: . a mentor and Imam. He went to Saudi Arabia twice.
BOLLING: I mean --
WILLIAMS: No, no, no --
BOLLING: Like I said yesterday .
BOLLING: . if these red flags are still a needle in the haystack, we are screwed.
WILLIAMS: You mean everybody who goes to America?
GUILFOYLE: The suicide bomber in Syria that was an American, he had direct contacts with him, too. And they're just beginning to piece that all together.
WILLIAMS: Right, but in the point that he went to Mecca for two trips. And don't forget, he's an American.
BOLLING: It's one of --
GUTFELD: Well, it actually, you know it's a funny point that you bring up. President Obama has made the same point that you just did, to refute Donald Trump about his immigration stance, that all of these recent terrorist acts were performed by U.S. citizens. So it's not a race, which we already knew, because it's a religious ideology.
GUTFELD: He is actually admitting that it is, the source of this is an ideology, a religious ideology, it's not race. Obama actually is refuting his own point, anyway.
PERINO: I would just add one thing about -- I do think that if you look at the San Bernardino killer, whose name is (inaudible) at the moment, but he did not have the history. He was --
PERINO: He was not somebody who was considered to be mentally unstable or - - and he was radicalized, partly because of his wife. We're going to hear from Catherine Herridge in a moment about information about her. But the other thing is ISIS recruitment, this why this whole debate is so frustrating. We're talking about things that don't have -- like gun violence or immigration. But this is a -- ISIS recruits based on if you are a loser. You if you feel disaffected. If you are somebody who wants to feel like you belong somewhere, and you go to one of these radical imams and you imam-shop, like Gorka was saying. And then you find somebody who will tell you that, like you can belong. You can be a part of something amazing. And all of this covers just basically, like, is ISIS what it means. It is more oxygen.
GUILFOYLE: But also they have people like Jihadi John, who was very well educated.
GUILFOYLE: These are people who well-educated. Look at some this guy here, he was able to hold down jobs, get multiple licenses and permits and, you know, assimilate, and go around, and --
GUILFOYLE: Oh, and fix his neighbor's car.
PERINO: Jihadi John also is that, they don't send him out to be a suicide bomber, or to be in a position where he could be killed, because they need him in a place of leadership.
GUTFELD: Right. All right, we got to move ahead. Ahead, she knew her husband was planning to kill, and she did nothing to stop it. The wife of the Orlando jihadist might have even helped him plot the crime. Will she be charged? Next.
PERINO: Welcome back to "The Five." The FBI gave an update on the Orlando terror investigation today. They're still processing the crime scene at the Pulse nightclub. They're asking for anyone who had contact with the gunman to please contact the agency. And they won't comment on whether any charges will be brought against the wife of Omar Mateen, who reportedly knew that her husband was planning and does the attack, but they did say this.
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RON HOPPER, ASSISTANT SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF THE FBI'S TAMPA FIELD OFFICE: I gave you a commitment when I stood before you the very first day that this happened. We will leave no stone unturned. And what that means is, at the end of all of our interviews, however long that takes, if someone is able to be charged in this investigation, we will bring them to justice.
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PERINO: Judge Napolitano said the wife could face multiple charges.
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JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO, FOX NEWS SENIOR JUDICIAL ANALYST: There's a long list of charges that she could face, from providing assistance to agreeing to participate. The highest and greatest charge supported by the evidence would be conspiracy to commit mass murder. A conspiracy is an agreement by two or more people to commit a crime.
MARTHA MACCALLUM, "AMERICA'S NEWSROOM" CO-HOST: She could face what as a result?
NAPOLITANO: The death penalty.
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PERINO: Let's turn to our Chief Intelligence Correspondent Catherine Herridge, with more on this ongoing investigation. What would you tell our audience that they need to hear today, if they're just tuned in back in to hear the news of the day?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Well, based on the news conference, Dana, this FBI investigation is really wide open. They're canvassing the public for tips or asking them for videotapes, so they can piece together what was happening outside the club at the time that Omar Mateen arrived. And there's an increasing focus on the wife. We understand that there is videotape of the wife along with her husband buying ammunition. And based on our reporting, she's told the FBI that she knew about the plot, but she was unable to stop it.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. This is as fascinating. Are we getting any more leads as to perhaps, any other individuals that might have been assisting him or helpful along the way besides his wife? Like, perhaps anybody that knew him quite frequently at that club, perhaps?
HERRIDGE: What's really got my attention, Kimberly, is the fact that the FBI is really kind of building out and mapping out the network for each one of these individuals. So, they've got Omar Mateen's phone. They've got his computer. They've taken possession of his vehicle and they're using the evidence they've gathered there, especially the electronic evidence to see what his network of contacts was at the time, but they're doing the same thing with the wife. We're seeing the FBI talk to her family now on the west coast, so they build out the map to see how strong those connections were and whether they had contact in the days and the hours before that attack.
PERINO: All right, Juan?
WILLIAMS: Catherine, is it the case that she had any obligation to inform authorities? You said she couldn't stop him. But I wonder if there's any -- any justification for her failure to say, "Hey, my husband is a homicidal maniac. He's a terrorist."
HERRIDGE: Well, that's an excellent question. One of our federal law enforcement sources pointed out to us that there is a provision within 18 USC, that you have a responsibility, if you have knowledge of a felony, to report that to authorities. This was not the case here, though it does seem to me -- and you've got an excellent legal eagle right down the desk from you, who could tell you a lot more about it.
But really, the focus is on these attempted murder, accessory to murder and then this material support, which is really low-hanging fruit in this case, because this is the boilerplate charge you see in almost all of these cases.
BOLLING: Hey, Catherine, this father, Saddique Mateen, just -- it just -- something is just not sitting right with me. He lost his son. It was terrible, and there was not much emotion. The only emotion he really showed was some of the videos he was making that were -- I don't know. They seemed almost anti-American, some of them.
He has ties to Afghanistan. He claims to be the interim president of Afghanistan. He seems very crazy. The question would be how much can they go, how deep can they dig into father, even though they don't have a direct link yet?
HERRIDGE: That's an excellent question. I mean, Saddique Mateen has really emerged as a very colorful figure in this investigation. And his response to the attack really, sort of, I think, has given investigators some pause.
He came up at the briefing earlier this week with the FBI director, and he was asked specifically about these ties to sort of allegiance with the Taliban. And they said at this point they had not seen any derogatory information.
We tried to get some information about how he entered the U.S. in the '80s, along with other Afghan refugees. But you know, the privacy laws are so tight you just cannot get information on an immigration file.
And it reminds me how, in so many of these cases, you see individuals use our system, which protects an individual's privacy, so effectively, really against us in many ways.
GUTFELD: You know, she will probably say, I would assume, that the reason why she didn't report was that she might have been terrified. That he -- you know, he was a violent guy. But she could have reported this anonymously. And I think that's why she's guilty. Is it possible that she's the mastermind in all this? And not just a terrified wife?
HERRIDGE: Well, I don't have any evidence to support that. But what I would say is that, when you look at the home-grown terrorism cases in the last year that have been successful, what we've seen is that we've seen a couple, and we've seen a young child. And traditionally people have felt that if an individual is married and they have a family, they have a vested interest in the future; they're unlikely to become suicide bombers. But San Bernardino and also Orlando have really blown that up. It's just another myth.
PERINO: I know that we have to go. Catherine, can I just ask you one last question?
PERINO: You mentioned San Bernardino. Did the FBI ever wrap that up? Because it feels to me like those victims' families never got any satisfactory answers as to what happened there in terms of that failure.
HERRIDGE: Well, that's an ongoing investigation.
What I would note is the common denominator between San Bernardino and then also Orlando, which is that the suicide attacker was someone who was a follower of the American cleric, Anwar Al-Awlaki. And it's striking to me that, in 2014, when Mateen popped up on the radar again, there was not an investigation reopened, because there's no reason to watch those videos for professional or self-improvement. None whatsoever.
GUILFOYLE: A hundred percent.
PERINO: Thank you, Catherine.
HERRIDGE: You're welcome.
PERINO: A surprising move by Donald Trump. The presumptive Republican nominee is planning to meet with the NRA soon about banning guns for some people in America. You're going to find out who, next.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: If some of those great people that were in that club that night had guns strapped to their waist or strapped to their ankle, and if the bullets were going in the other direction, aimed at this guy who was just open target practice, you would have had a situation, folks, which would have been always horrible, but nothing like the carnage that we all, as a people, suffered this weekend.
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BOLLING: That was Donald Trump reiterating the importance of gun rights in America at a rally today. But he also announced something that might make many Democrats happy. He'll be meeting with the NRA soon to try to prevent some people from accessing guns, individuals who are on the terror watch list.
The NRA put out this statement earlier. They said, quote, "We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. Terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watch list to be removed."
And K.G., I'll start with you. The due process...
BOLLING: ... is the applicable two words in that whole statement.
BOLLING: Who's got it right?
GUILFOYLE: You know, well, I don't think they're inconsistent. I don't think they're, like, mutually exclusive.
I think what he's saying is something that does need to be addressed. I mean, if somebody is on a terror watch list, I don't want them getting a gun. Right? Doesn't that make sense? At least be on a delayed list and, then, pending the investigation -- they go talk to you; they find out what you're up to. Do a deep dive before you authorize something like that.
Because if you're not OK to fly, but then at the same time you want to make sure there's due process protections for those that are wrongly accused or end up on a no-fly list, when it's not even the right person or they were placed on there inadvertently. So you have to have safeguards and protections and appeals processes and whatnot in place.
BOLLING: And I think the NRA, not speaking for the NRA, but I think, Greg, I think their issue is that who gets to put these people on this list?
GUTFELD: It's always about the list. Because this -- common sense, you don't want terrorists to have guns. I think everybody can agree, but it really isn't about that. It's about, you know, who puts you on a no-fly list? Who's in charge of that?
I want somebody to put me on a no-bus list. So I can't be allowed to be on a bus. Wouldn't that be great?
PERINO: For the month of July.
GUTFELD: For the month of July. Maybe just most public transportation, but this is an interesting wrinkle for Trump. Because you know, he's the master negotiator. And if he's going to and somehow talk to the NRA about this, where you know, that's a first. Maybe that -- maybe it will happen.
BOLLING: And Dana, he did, he ruffled a lot of conservative right-wing feathers today.
PERINO: Right. So the NRA is not going to change its mind. Do you remember when Stephen Hayes...
GUTFELD: He was on the list.
PERINO: ... Weekly Standard and FOX News contributor, he was on -- he was put on the no-fly list, and it was a mistake. And it took, like, seven months or something to try to get him off of it. He wasn't trying to buy a gun. But he is an example of somebody who was wrongly put on the list.
GUTFELD: Wrongly, do you think?
PERINO: If you don't want somebody in the government putting -- who's in charge is what's very important. But this issue...
GUILFOYLE: On the hot list (ph).
PERINO: It sounds very commonsensical, and it's very popular. If you look at polls, most people will say, "Well, yes, that totally makes sense," until you start to explain it. And then it's like, "Oh, wait. Maybe I don't know if I want to do that."
The thing that's interesting to me on this, politically, is that there are some who say that Donald Trump should forget the far-right -- or the conservative who say they'll never vote for him. Like, stop trying to get them. You're never going to get them. And focus on those Reagan Democrats or those possible, especially male Democrats who aren't that enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton, don't want to vote for you.
The problem with this, this is just the wrong issue to fight that battle on. Because in 1994, when Bill Clinton rammed down the assault weapons ban down their vote, then he lost everything in the midterm election that year. Because if Trump wants to win, he's going to need those voters, and those voters still like their guns. So I think it's a strange political decision.
BOLLING: Yes, and Juan, what are your thoughts on -- on both of it. Should he be going there, the political ramifications of it. And then again, the idea of saying, "You know what? You're on a terror watch list; you can't buy a gun"?
WILLIAMS: Well, I find this so interesting for the same reasons Dana just pointed out, that in a way Trump is in a different position than most of the Republicans in the Congress. Yesterday, you and I were going at each other because of the moment of silence thing.
But the fact is, Republicans in the Congress will not even allow a debate on this very issue. They say no. And why do they say no? Some people say because they're in hock to the NRA.
But here goes Trump, who was endorsed by the NRA very early in this process. He wants those votes Dana is talking about, those white male Midwesterners who own a gun and all the rest.
GUILFOYLE: He's going to get it, though. They're not going to vote for Hillary.
WILLIAMS: He's going out now to the NRA and saying, "Well, but gentlemen, can't we work this out?" Because, as Gregory just pointed out, no sane person says, "Oh, yes, give guns to terrorists." We've got to stop this somehow.
Now Hillary Clinton says, "Hey, what about if we simply say if you're on this terror watch list and you go to buy a gun, the FBI has to be told and alerted."
WILLIAMS: But you can't even get that debate at the moment.
BOLLING: Isn't it what the NRA -- I believe...
PERINO: They are.
BOLLING: Isn't that the NRA -- their statement says, "If you try and buy a gun and you're on this list, they'll freeze the sale until this is worked out."
WILLIAMS: So why -- why won't Republicans debate that?
GUILFOYLE: Listen, this is what I'm saying. It's not totally mutually exclusive. There is some common ground there that should be examined. Yes, we don't want to prevent Stephen Hayes from getting a weapon. OK? That's a guy who's not supposed to...
BOLLING: I don't know about you.
WILLIAMS: What is going on here?
GUILFOYLE: I trust him. He's fine.
But you do want to make sure that somebody like this Mateen, that is someone was flagged by the FBI, is not flying and is not purchasing weapons. But look, he had a security clearance job, you know, in terms of being...
BOLLING: How many Stephen Hayeses are there? Honestly, here's the right- wing -- it may be alarmist. But the right-wing idea is that people -- there will be some person, some group, some agency that has it out for conservatives and puts a whole bunch of...
PERINO: Like the IRS?
BOLLING: Like the IRS, who puts a whole bunch of conservatives on a no-fly list specifically so they can't buy guns.
PERINO: And it could work the other way.
BOLLING: And there's no due process. Anyone? No? We're good?
PERINO: I agree.
GUILFOYLE: That was good.
GUTFELD: I still reiterate the no-bus list for me. I'm terrible on a bus. I eat a lot of chili.
GUILFOYLE: You know what? Honestly, I'm not...
BOLLING: Very good. Very good.
GUILFOYLE: I don't want to even -- I'm so occupied.
BOLLING: Gee, Greg, what are you talking about? What could you possibly be talking about?
GUILFOYLE: Can I bring scented candles on the bus?
BOLLING: Ahead, is Google manipulating its search engine to help Hillary Clinton? We'll explain when "The Five" returns.
WILLIAMS: Welcome back. Last month we told you about allegations that Facebook was manipulating its news feed to suppress conservatives. Now Google is under the microscope for possible political bias, as well. The news site Sourcefed alleges that Google is manipulating its search results to suppress phrases that could hurt Hillary Clinton this election.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When we type "Hillary Clinton cri" into Google, the site's auto complete function shows three potential searches: "Hillary Clinton crime reform," "Hillary Clinton crisis" and "Hillary Clinton crime bill 1994."
However, when you type the same term, "Hillary Clinton cri" into Google's competitors, being Yahoo, you get very different results, focusing on whether or not Hillary Clinton has ever committed a crime.
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WILLIAMS: The company denies the charge, saying its auto complete function doesn't favor any candidate or cause. The algorithm universally weeds out what they call, quote, "offensive or disparaging," end quote, suggestions about anyone. In fact, if you type in "Al Capone," "Richard Nixon," "Ted Cruz" on the Zodiac killer stuff, that doesn't come up.
So Dana, you were...
GUILFOYLE: What? What are you talking about?
WILLIAMS: In other words, no, if it's offensive...
GUILFOYLE: That they edit the news that -- oh, come on.
WILLIAMS: They're saying it's -- they're saying they edit because it's offensive about anybody.
GUILFOYLE: You have to do -- yes, because you look up crime stories and everything else.
WILLIAMS: No, you can do that. It's not...
GUILFOYLE: This is very shady.
WILLIAMS: But the auto complete is not search -- not the search results, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Right. I understand.
WILLIAMS: I was going to ask Dana, since you were involved with the Facebook thing, what do you think of this one?
PERINO: I wouldn't be surprised if it happens at some level. And I think conservatives -- I just was beat up for eight years at the White House, as a conservative, where you just have to admit that the conservatives start in a negative deficit. And then you have to work really hard. You have to be so much better. You have to work really hard: more facts, more content.
Google says it's not happening. They say their algorithm changes it. Robots are in charge. I don't know if robots are the best answer. Conservatives are never going to be satisfied, because they will always -- no matter what, you're always going to be in a hole. So you just have to work harder, be better.
WILLIAMS: Well, Facebook, though argues in this case, Gregory, that what's going on is people are influenced by the algorithm, because it's what pops up when they're searching, right.
GUTFELD: So you know what you do?
WILLIAMS: And people say, "Oh, that must be hot. I'll go look at that."
GUTFELD: You know what you do? You do you a reverse influence. So right now if you were -- if you go on your computer right now, type in "Greg Gutfeld is awesome." Because right now what's competing with that is "Greg Gutfeld is how tall." I checked before I got here. We need to change that. Enough about my height. Let's talk about how awesome I am.
By the way, I don't want anybody to see what I search on Google.
BOLLING: Oh, they do. They know.
PERINO: They know.
WILLIAMS: How about "handsome Eric Bolling"? Can they search that?
BOLLING: On Twitter, though -- and I think here's the answer that you'll get from Google, Twitter, from everyone. It's in the algorithm. That basically says it's none in your business; it's all proprietary. We're going to do what we're going to do.
WILLIAMS: In this case, they also say they're trying to protect people from libel.
BOLLING: But they do point to their algorithm. Algorithm. You just read it in your statement.
Here's -- and Twitter will do the same. The interesting thing is, on #wakeupAmerica. It's an extremely popular hashtag. Sometimes it will auto fill. You'll get #wakeup and type in the "a" and you get "America" to finish.
BOLLING: And sometimes it won't. It will be literally day to day. It can't be because of the volume, because the volume is fairly steady. We don't know how many times it comes up. And again, they'll point to the algorithm. There is an opportunity to bias and to skew Google results and autofills.
WILLIAMS: True. Well...
GUTFELD: By the way, autofills, Juan, when you type in your name, Juan, are you the first one that comes up, Juan Williams? Or is it like Juan Maricel (ph) or it like Juan...
WILLIAMS: I've never done it.
GUTFELD: Lujuana (ph) Page.
"Juan more thing"?
WILLIAMS: Juan more thing, here we go.
GUTFELD: Everybody does that, Kimberly. I know, Kimberly, you type in your name with a "G" and see if it's "Guilfoyle."
GUILFOYLE: I pop up right away.
PERINO: I never check. I don't know.
WILLIAMS: All right. I have a question for you. So guess what now? To feed the conspiracy theory, Hillary Clinton has just hired, as her chief technology officer, someone from Google.
GUILFOYLE: There you go. Pay for play. Here we go.
There you go, Juan. You knew that from the beginning.
GUTFELD: You need to build a firewall.
GUILFOYLE: How to do this little dance.
PERINO: If you're going to hire a chief technology officer, you could do worse than hiring somebody from Google.
GUILFOYLE: She didn't hire someone from Yahoo, did she?
WILLIAMS: All right.
GUTFELD: Build a firewall and make Clinton pay for it.
WILLIAMS: "One More Thing" is up next.
GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Juan. Pictures?
WILLIAMS: Well, father is -- look at that. I screwed that up. I meant to say that Sunday is Father's Day. And in a preview, what we got was the Courtyard Hotels asking children of NFL players to say something appreciative about their dads. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love my dad. Because he's so nice to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love Daddy because he loves me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like I love him more than one time, like I can't put a number that I love him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Daddy!
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WILLIAMS: The players watched in separate rooms as the kids were interviewed. The funniest thing was that Drew Brees' kid said, when asked what's your favorite team? Said the Carolina Panthers.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. What a diss.
All right, Dana.
PERINO: Well, this is a good story. Comfort dogs have been dispatched to Orlando through Lutheran Church Charities. And the purpose of this is to provide emotional support for people that are going through such a terrible hard time there. And there's about a dozen Golden Retrievers and dog handlers arrived in Florida city from all over the country on Monday, and they'll be there for a while. And I thought that -- that was something really sweet to show on "One More Thing."
GUILFOYLE: It's also very helpful. It really, really works. They do that in the pediatric hospitals, too, for children. It's very nice.
OK. And another update about Orlando. And just a story about bravery, and we're hearing a lot of that, you know, coming out over the last few days. But Imran Yousef is a Marine veteran who served in Afghanistan. He is also being hailed as a hello for helping scores of people escape from an Orlando nightclub where a terrorist murdered 49 people.
He was a bouncer, and he recognized right away because of his military training the sound of the gunfire. And he immediately jumped into action towards a locked door that people had huddled around. And they were too nervous and scared and confused to move. So listen to him explain in his own words what happened next.
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IMRAN YOUSEF, ORLANDO SHOOTING SURVIVOR: I'm just screaming, "Open the door. Open the door." And no one's moving, because, you know, they're scared. And there was only one choice. Either we all stay there and we all die or I could either take the chance and get shot and save everyone else. And I jumped over, opened that latch, and we got everyone that we can out of there.
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GUILFOYLE: Seventy people he's credited with saving...
GUILFOYLE; ... with that incredible move. So God bless him and all the men and women that serve in our military.
BOLLING: I'll tell you what: You go to a club, you go to a crowded place, find every exit you can possibly find on your way in. Because you may need it on the way out.
All right. Very quickly, President Obama and Vice President Biden will travel to Orlando tomorrow. He's going to meet with the family -- the victims' families. He's also going to -- they're both going to meet with first responders.
They're both going to make some comments, we understand. We've been asking the White House all day what the comments were going to be, when they were going to be, where they were going to be. They didn't have a schedule for us. But President Obama, Vice President Biden, you represent us. I hope you keep it on the victims and on the first responders. Please, for the sake of all of us, can you not bring up guns for just one day? Just a request.
GUILFOYLE: Sorry, Eric, that's not going to go well.
BOLLING: You don't think so?
GUILFOYLE: No, I don't.
GUTFELD: Time for...
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GUTFELD: Greg's Celebrity Corner.
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GUTFELD: With 30 percent more celebrities. You caught me.
I love "American Ninja Warriors." It's a great show. And I was so surprised when my favorite actor, Nicolas Cage, showed up. Check him out. He did a great job.
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(VIDEO SHOWING A 3-D ANIMATED T-REX GOING THROUGH THE "AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR" COURSE)
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GUTFELD: This is a tough obstacle course, especially if you're a lumbering large man like Nicolas Cage with a huge, looming head. But he managed to do quite well. It's a wonderful show.
PERINO: I wish I could do that.
GUTFELD: One day you will.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.
BOLLING: You'd be great.
GUILFOYLE; Wow. So agile.
Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" up next.
GUTFELD: Up next.
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