Is Bill Clinton in danger of alienating Hillary supporters?
Former president clashes with Black Lives Matter activists, criticizes Obama's legacy
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 8, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Jesse Watters, Melissa Francis and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
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GUILFOYLE: It was a showdown no one expected to see at a rally for Hillary Clinton yesterday. Former President Bill Clinton was in Philly stumping for his wife and had a dramatic run-in with some Black Lives Matters protesters. They were upset about an anti-crime bill that he signed while in office. The confrontation lasted for more than 10 minutes. Here's a portion of Bill sounding off at the BLM activist.
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FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: I don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out to the street to murder other African-American children. Maybe you thought they were good citizens. She didn't. She didn't. You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter. Tell the truth.
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GUILFOYLE: Yeah. All right, today, Clinton expresses some regrets for that response.
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B. CLINTON: So I did something yesterday in Philadelphia, I almost want to apologize for, but I want to use it as an example of the danger threatening our country.
I rather vigorously defending my wife, as I won't to do, and I realize finally I was talking past her the way she was talking past me. We got to stop that in this country. We got to listen to each other.
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GUILFOYLE: All right, nice recovery, Greg?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, you shouldn't have, give that man a cigar.
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GUTFELD: No, don't.
MELISSA FRANCIS, GUEST CO-HOST: Oh my --
GUTFELD: What he said first was refreshing, and he was correct. He is absolutely right. If BLM is upset at him over that 1994 Violent Crime Prevention Act, go after the black community leaders who wanted it. What that act did in the mid '90s is it stopped of horrendous rise in homicides among the black community -- fell 54 percent, all right. He cut the homicide rate in half. That was not the only thing that did it, but it sure as hell helped -- sure as hell helped. So this is a fact that Bill Clinton has saved more lives than Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, the black panthers combined. He is a black hero. And there are a lot of people that those black lives activists probably know who are alive because of Bill Clinton.
GUILFOYLE: Very interesting perspective. I like that. It started off shaky and went strong.
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GUILFOYLE: Good on you. Good on you.
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GUTFELD: I have about three other jokes that I can't use.
GUILFOYLE: I know. They've been --
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GUILFOYLE: They've been banned by the better business bureau. OK, go ahead, Melissa.
FRANCIS: I think that this is a really clever ploy on the part of the Clintons. I think they're having their cake and eating it too. I think this is Bill Clinton coming out on one side of the issue, and Hillary Clinton get to be on the other, and voters get to decide which Clinton they like and which one they believe. I mean, I give them, I think they are skilled politicians in the universe, and that this is totally contrived.
GUILFOYLE: Well, they did a nice clean-up on aisle 7. Jesse, anything you would like to clean up?
JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: I'd like to clean up something also in case...
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WATTERS: ... Eric Bolling is watching. I did this --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
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WATTERS: I know it is his move. I only did it because Gutfeld told me I had to do it.
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GUILFOYLE: Right.
WATTERS: And then he laughed at me after I did it and said Bolling is going to kill you, so --
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WATTERS: I'm sorry, Bolling. You can do the "Watters' World" thing if you want to, to make up for it.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
WATTERS: A lot that got that out of the way.
GUILFOYLE: Did you see that Machiavellian move by the little man over there?
WATTERS: Hey, you set me up.
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GUTFELD: I may be a little man, but there are a lot of big things happening.
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GUILFOYLE: I know, I know.
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GUILFOYLE: You and your unicorn.
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WATTERS: But on substance here, I mean this -- they're protesting the first black president.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
WATTERS: Do they know he is not the first black president? That's just not right. It's also rich and delightful to watch.
GUILFOYLE: What is it with Juan?
WATTERS: It's a --
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WATTERS: No reason.
FRANCIS: That is not looking at Juan.
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WATTERS: I just love watching democrats fight each other. I'm sick of watching the republicans do it, it is nice to see a little bit on the other side. And Greg makes a great point, the Welfare Reform Bill and the Crime Bill; black poverty went down 10 percent after that. Urban violence went down 50 percent. So to say, what's their alternative? They want more people on welfare, and they want more crime? It doesn't make any sense to me, and the fact that he apologizes -- so soft. And you know the Clinton had got him --
FRANCIS: She didn't mean it. It wasn't an apology.
WATTERS: That's not a joke.
FRANCIS: It wasn't an apology.
GUILFOYLE: Oh -- oh, god.
WATTERS: Oh, come on. You know the machine was like this.
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WATTERS: It's not right.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Yeah.
WATTERS: You got to apologize...
WILLIAMS: Yeah, the problem --
WATTERS: ... and he has to take of that.
WILLIAMS: The problem is Hillary relies on black votes right now, and you don't want to antagonize. If you're the Clintons, you don't want to antagonize or created an opening where people would say, the Clintons are separating themselves from the black community, and it's taking the hard republican line. But the facts are the facts.
WATTERS: What are the facts?
WILLIAMS: And let me -- the facts are the 90 percent of black people are killed by other black people. And that you have in the black community, this horrible thing going on of failure of leadership by black leaders -- NAACP, all the rest of them, to get out there and march. They'll march against the cops and you can't have an argument because the cops have the power of the state. But you know what? There is no excuse for not going directly at black on black crime by Black Lives Matter. The Black Lives Matter people say, oh, everybody who raises this point is really diverting from the real issue which is police brutality. You can have a legitimate issue about police brutality, but that doesn't mean that black on black crime. And I just -- what I said here, so I repeated, 90 percent of black people killed by other black people, and yet people want to make excuses and say, oh, it is structural. It's because of various historical issues. It is systemic. Come on, talk about bull. That's bull. And that's making excuses for the death of black people. But of course, the politics of it get in the way. Ray Lewis -- I don't think we have this video. Ray Lewis, the former Baltimore Raven, he went on a rant on video and it became viral. And what he said in his 10 minute video was, "we've got to do something about black on black crime if we are responsible black people in this generation."
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GUILFOYLE: Word. Juan Williams, people.
WILLIAMS: Right.
WATTERS: Make a lot of sense.
GUILFOYLE: Juan Williams --
WILLIAMS: That's the problem. You would say that, see, that's the problem.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, Juan Williams (inaudible) --
WILLIAMS: Because people say, hey, if Jesse says that, well --
GUILFOYLE: The author of the soon to be bestseller, "We the People," grab and get it because this man is making sense today on Friday.
GUTFELD: I mean, if you look --
WATTERS: It makes sense.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
GUTFELD: If you look at -- if you think about -- OK, back in the '90s when you -- we were conservatives and Juan was still liberal, we thought that Bill Clinton was a liberal. When you look at him now in 2016...
FRANCIS: NO.
GUTFELD: ... could he still be welcome in his own party if Bill Clinton? You have speech fascism on campus. You have a hatred for criminal justice system and the police. You have apologists for radical Islam. The entire progressive liberalism has turn into the regressive left. I don't think he feels at home at this place.
FRANCIS: No --
WATTERS: No.
FRANCIS: No. But this is -- the Clintons having their cake and eating it too, because they can march bill out and he can say all these things, and he can appease everyone who's sort of a centrist. I mean, "Wall Street," in particular. You look at everything Bill Clinton did to lower taxes, to expand the economy. I mean, he was great to corporate America, everything was growing. So people on "Wall Street" -- I mean, this is why they line Hillary Clinton's caucus because they think that they're getting Bill Clinton back with an (inaudible) go out, and preach exactly the opposite, just like this issue. So you can just vote for the Clinton's and you think you're getting the thing you want. They kind of promise everything.
WILLIAMS: But wait a second.
FRANCIS: Who knows who will there be?
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GUILFOYLE: Having their cake in there (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: Where do you see Hillary Clinton on the other side of this issue?
FRANCIS: Because she's taken back what she said in the past when she supported Bill Clinton's crime laws. I mean what she said in 1996, you know, it's not just gangs of kids anymore, they're called super predators. They have no conscience. No empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heal. Can you imagine her saying something like that?
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FRANCIS: First, we have to bring them to jail.
WILLIAMS: But Melissa -- Melissa, that's what she apologized. She said, I shouldn't use the term --
FRANCIS: Right, she apologizing for.
WILLIAMS: No. She should said, "I shouldn't use the term "super-predator" human beings, and we have to treat them as kids and deal with them, and deal with the fact that have become murderers." But she did --
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WILLIAMS: But she did not apologize for the 94 reform. And I might add this point to the conversation. For all of this back and forth, do you know that Bernie Sanders also supported that same 94 law? So I don't know what's going on, because you say, oh, they're not a liberal. Well, Bernie Sanders is beyond liberal.
GUILFOYLE: That was a good little (inaudible), you help the Clintons, I was there. Good on you. Can we talk about El Presidente a little bit more? All right. The president did something yesterday at that event that his wife can't be very happy about. He unloaded, again, on President Obama's legacy.
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B. CLINTON: Unlike when I became president, a lot of things are coming apart around the world now. We would like to just think about our economic issues, but you got to worry about a collapse in Europe, dragging back the American economy. You got to worry about all these, the largest number of refugees since World War II. And all this stuff comes home.
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GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness, my goodness.
GUTFELD: He is unloading on everybody.
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GUTFELD: But he just shows you that he still has a problem with President Obama. He still feels in his heart that he cut in line.
WATTERS: Yeah.
GUTFELD: That it wasn't fair to his wife.
GUILFOYLE: That they got cheated, yeah.
GUTFELD: And he could have been first man, sooner, which would have been a lot more when he was younger, a lot more fun than it is now. So I think he has got -- he will never lose it. And I think President Obama knows that as well, that they will never become besties.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well that -- it is true, though. I mean, they did steal it right out from under. So you know it is what it is, that there's no love lost there...
FRANCIS: No.
GUILFOYLE: ... for sure.
FRANCIS: No. It is like he's going along and he is talking, and then remembers how much he hates the Clintons' -- I mean he hates Obama and then he kind of goes in on them. And then he catches himself and he tries to backtrack, and then he's like, forget it. I'm just gonna go after them after all. I mean, you can tell they hate each other. It's just sort of a question of when it really blows up.
GUILFOYLE: And at this point, how much is she gonna -- is she gonna be helpful to were out on the trail if we keep having these kinds of situations?
WATTERS: Yeah, I mean, you roll the dice with he's off from (inaudible), that's the fun of Bill Clinton...
FRANCIS: Right.
WATTERS: ... you never know what's going to happen. You make a great point. I think he is the attack dog and then she stays home. But this is the second time. He went after him on economics. He is going after on...
GUILFOYLE: In past seven years.
WATTERS: ... national security now.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
WATTERS: And remember what he said, I think it was in South Carolina, he said, "You know, a few years back, you know, this guy, Obama, would be getting me coffee."
GUTFELD: Yup.
WATTERS: And Bill Clinton was accused of being racist in South Carolina.
WILLIAMS: Right.
WATTERS: They hate each other. He complains that President Obama doesn't call him for advice. Remember?
FRANCIS: Yeah.
WATTERS: Bush talks to him, 41 talks to him. Obama doesn't call anybody.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
WATTERS: So he feels spurn, and poor Bill.
WILLIAMS: Well, I know actually, I think two things are going on here, one is, Bill Clinton is praising Bill Clinton.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
WILLIAMS: He wants everybody.
WATTERS: Good point.
WILLIAMS: He wants everybody to put all kinds of (inaudible) as around the '90s when he was president.
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WILLIAMS: What? What's wrong?
GUILFOYLE: No, that's a good point.
WILLIAMS: Oh, OK.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
WILLIAMS: So he wants all applauded for himself. I think that's the key thing. The second thing is I don't think they hate each other. I know republicans like to fantasies about this, because they'll be splitting the democratic reigns. But you can't forget; Barack Obama chose Hillary Clinton as the secretary of state. And don't forget --
GUTFELD: He wanted her to be his secretary.
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WILLIAMS: That might be the real deal.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: I forgot. But, and the second thing is don't forget that from Bernie Sanders's perspective, and this is something that burns the Bern, he thinks that Obama, White House is really behind Hillary Clinton. And in fact, Obama said recently, that Bernie needs to ramp it down and not divide. So they are not -- so the Obama's are not supportive of Bernie, and that's Bernie.
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GUILFOYLE: You know why? Because they don't think he can win. They want Hillary to preserve the legacy. That's what this is about.
GUTFELD: But Bernie's next step? Reparations, he's gonna bring that up.
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GUTFELD: I think -- but he, you know, he has mentioned it before, and he knows Hillary is against it. I think -- I'm pretty sure this guy is -- that's going to be the next debate. I think.
WILLIAMS: Well, that's a losing debate for Bernie.
GUILFOYLE: We would invite him again, once again to come...
WILLIAMS: Absolutely.
GUILFOYLE: ... come to join us at the table.
GUTFELD: He was on "The View," earlier.
GUILFOYLE: OK, whatever. What about us?
GUTFELD: I know.
WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying.
GUTFELD: I mean --
GUILFOYLE: Five lives matter, Bernie!
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GUTFELD: It's more joy here than --
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GUILFOYLE: Anyway --
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GUILFOYLE: After the break, if we still have a show.
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GUILFOYLE: Next.
FRANCIS: Unclear.
GUILFOYLE: They have been at war lately over their qualifications, are the increasing personal attacks between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, doing lasting damage to democrats, Juan? And later, it's Facebook Friday. So go to facebook.com/thefivefnc and post your questions for us now. We'll going to answer some of them ahead.
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WILLIAMS: Things have gotten pretty ugly over the last week between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Both candidates saying they hope to get back to the issues.
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BERNIE SANDERS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We should not get into this tit- for-tat. We should be debating the issues facing the American people. All I am saying, if the people are gonna attack us, if they're going to distort our record, as has been the case time and time again, we're gonna respond. In this campaign, as I'm sure you can appreciate, every other day people are coming up to me and say, "Aren't you going to attack Hillary Clinton on her e-mails? Aren't you going to attack the Clinton's foundation?" And do you know how many times I've done that? Zero. You saw me --
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SANDERS: Let me finish. You saw me in the debate, right?
CHARLIE ROSE, "CBS EVENING NEWS" HOST: Yes.
SANDERS: I was asked about e-mails. What did I say? I said enough of these damn e-mails.
HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think the key to the campaign people say lots of things. I want to stay focused on the issues. There are contrasts between us, and I think that's fair game.
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WILLIAMS: Despite all the mudsling, they have found a few nice words for one another.
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SANDERS: I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz's presidency would be unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.
H. CLINTON: I will take Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump or Ted Cruz any time. They pose real threats to our values, to groups of Americans.
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WILLIAMS: So are there attacks doing any damage to the Democratic Party? Senator Diane Feinstein says, yes. She in fact said, this week, she said, "You know, I don't understand what's going on. This is dividing the Democratic Party." What do you think Melissa?
FRANCIS: I don't think so at all. I think that the way to settle this fact is to send them both down into the sub way, Hillary and Bernie. And whichever one can sort of puzzle their way on to the subway gets to be the nominee. We can have Hillary going down there with her card, just sitting there trying to buzz through, and Bernie can have his token. And you know, whichever one without a hand could actually get on the subway could be the nominee. It is a fake fight. I mean, it's -- they're not even -- let's be honest. They're not even really being vicious with each other. I mean, he is not attacking where there's so much room to attack. She knows that she already has all the super delegates, bought and paid for. It is a joke.
WILLIAMS: Is it a joke?
GUTFELD: I agree. I call it a karaoke conflict. By the way, watching them argue over qualifications is like Adam and Eve quarrelling over wardrobe. There is nothing --
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GUTFELD: Nothing that -- you know, they qualify -- they're both qualify for different things. She should be -- should manage a small town hardware store.
WATTERS: Oh, yeah,
GUTFELD: Because I think he would really enjoy talking to people about what the screw goes there and you got to use the plunger. Yeah, you got to press hard with the plunger. You got to pull the thing out first.
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GUTFELD: So it's a mess. And Hillary would get --
FRANCIS: Oh!
GUTFELD: I will be -- Hillary will be a great warden at like a minimum security penitentiary.
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GUTFELD: You know she could be that. She would be good. And she has so much in common with the customers.
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WILLIAMS: All right, Jesse, a serious question.
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WATTERS: Serious
WILLIAMS: A serious question for you. Dan Pfeiffer who was Obama's guru, right? He said Bernie is making a serious mistake by saying that Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be president because, clearly, she is qualified. And most voters, republicans and democrats say yes, she is qualified, and yet Bernie is saying she's not. And -- so it just fell flat for Dan Pfeiffer. What is that Jesse waters?
WATTERS: It was a lame attack. It was desperate. He looks erratic. And when you are 70, don't look erratic. It's not a good look for you. He had a lot of things going for him, 1677, his poll numbers are coming up.
GUILFOYLE: Moving up.
WILLIAMS: Right.
WATTERS: And now he's flip flopping on attacks. I just admire how the democrats keep everybody in line. Republicans are basically...
FRANCIS: Yeah.
WATTERS: ... burning the House down and the democrats are like, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." Anything for the good of the party, and then republicans are talking about running a third party. So I just wish the republicans could maybe learn a little thing or two from the democrats about party loyalty.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Because otherwise now, they're playing for the other team, because all of this in fighting and disfranchising voters and contest in this and that, ends up with one for gone conclusion -- Hillary.
WATTERS: Hillary.
GUTFELD: But who is disenfranchised? Nobody is being disfranchised. You vote for who you vote for, if you don't get the majority -- sorry. That's the way I tell --
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GUILFOYLE: We're talking about if they can --
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GUILFOYLE: Change the rules.
WATTERS: And now dirty.
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GUTFELD: They're not going to change the rules. Stop listening to Alice Jones.
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FRANCIS: But it's so effective...
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FRANCIS: ... they're tearing each other down. I mean, that's the point. They are just so affective at tearing down the people in their own party. That thing you just end up so bloody, that's the way out.
GUTFELD: The problem, we started with 17, right? The republicans started with 17. That was always the problem. You have too many. They -- they were very good. Democrats are very good about keeping it down to like to two or three. I think there were four, two week every -- I love Jim Webb. I don't know where he is.
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FRANCIS: That could be nice.
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GUTFELD: He is the original democrat.
WILLIAMS: And you wanted Martin O'Malley, as I recall.
GUTFELD: I couldn't --
WILLIAMS: But you know what, I was supposed to stop this segment a while, but I couldn't. Why would I stop these republicans from fighting --
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WILLIAMS: They like to say admire the democrats' unity. Still to come, Facebook Friday; but up next, the GOP duo between Cruz and Trump, certainly is not letting up, trump still taunting Cruz over his New York values jabs, while the Texas senator is working to clear that up before New York voters head to the polls -- all ahead.
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WATTERS: When Ted Cruz took a shot at New York values at the debate in January, he probably wasn't thinking ahead the April, when he be seeking the vote of New Yorkers. He has now thought himself having to repeatedly explain that comment as the empire states primary approaches on the 19th.
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TED CRUZ, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The people across New York and across the country know exactly what New York values means, and that those are the values of liberal democratic politicians who have been hammering the state. You know, I've been campaigning across, across New York, and people are stopping me, literally, every day and saying I know exactly what you meant. And I am fed up with what these liberal democrats are doing to us, the people of New York. They are the one suffering for it. And as you know, Donald Trump has been funding it year after year after year.
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WATTERS: In case any New Yorkers have forgotten about Cruz' remark, Donald Trump is sure to remind them with his new post on Instagram.
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CRUZ: Everyone understands that the values in New York City focus around money and the media.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than New York.
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WATTERS: Krauthammer doesn't think any damage control, as going to work for Cruz on this one.
GUILFOYLE: So true.
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Cruz is really -- extremely defensive. He doesn't even have a chance to talk about his issues in New York. He's got to defend the New York values stuff which was an enormous mistake. It didn't really help him in Iowa. He could have done without that phrase. And now, how does he defend it? He can't.
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WATTERS: So I think Cruz is toast here in New York. And not only that, probably toast in New Jersey and Connecticut. I don't think he's going to play very well in these states.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's the problem. It is kind of one of those, you know, indefensible. He has tried to, you know, massage it by saying, oh, I was talking about people like Anthony Wiener and, you know, liberal values, et cetera. That's what we really get, but that's not what he said. And when you say New York values, it's like insulting people from Boston. Like, you know, Boston is strong, right?
WATTERS: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: Do you think of what happen to them in the terror attack, the marathon. You know, New York values, like everybody's felt and what -- just swelled up with support, you know, for New York when 9/11 happen. We were a country together. And so it's why I think that was an affect to that. Obviously, it's not gonna play here well for him.
WATTERS: He had a great night in Wisconsin. And he comes in to New York. He gets heckled. He's on the defensive over this. The tabloids are killing him. I mean, not off a good start.
GUTFELD: I think that's normal, though. I have to -- look, I got to defend Cruz on this one.
FRANCIS: Come on.
GUTFELD: He hated -- what's problem?
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FRANCIS: You're going to defend him on this?
GUTFELD: Why not? He has -- he -- it was not trafficking under the illusion that he was going to win New York. Are you kidding me? Donald Trump is in New York. Son of Sam had a better chance of winning New York than Ted Cruz. But you also shouldn't traffic of the illusion that this is great for Trump. He is less popular with women than dirty sheets. So if you're cheering over him, winning New York, that's like standing on the gallows and going look, I could see my house from here. Because come November, you're dropping.
WATTERS: Well, it looks like he has not only gonna win New York, he's gonna win Delaware, Maryland, Connecticut; a lot of these general...
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WATTERS: What do you think Francis?
FRANCIS: Let me tell you all the different ways that I hate this comment, OK. No matter what he says about it, he makes it worse. Money in the media -- hello, I work for Fox Business. Money and the media, I mean, he say he hates money and the media. When he says New York values, it's like he's saying they have -- oh my god, don't sit where he sat. He has New York values, you might catch it. I know what he is trying to say. He's trying to say that he is a democrat in republican clothing. Then say that. Then say that. Don't say New York values like everyone from New York has the cooties. It drives me crazy.
GUTFELD: But we do.
FRANCIS: Say what you actually mean.
GUTFELD: We do have. Have you seen --
FRANCIS: We're proud of it.
GUTFELD: Have you seen that this report --
FRANCIS: We're proud of it.
GUTFELD: No. But you know what --
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GUTFELD: You know what, I love -- this is so refreshing, watching so many conservatives defending liberal New York republicans for once. I've never seen that before.
WATTERS: I think what it is --
GUTFELD: Kudos, I that that word.
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GUILFOYLE: But he didn't --
WATTERS: I think what is it is the 9/11 thing...
GUILFOYLE: He didn't specify New York values.
WATTERS: ... that really got everybody going.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WATTERS: And I Trump, I think very definitely pivoted to the 9/11 thing. And you know, say what you want about New York values. He swung at the other direction. Juan, if he can take it back, do you think Cruz would go back in time and take this back or not?
WILLIAMS: No, because he was trying to win the evangelical vote in Iowa when he made the state.
GUILFOYLE: He didn't need it.
WILLIAMS: He was very direct in trying to appeal to those evangelicals. And I don't think that it is true. So he says, oh, I'm talking about liberal politicians like Governor Cuomo.
FRANCIS: No.
WILLIAMS: He was not. He said exactly what Melissa said.
FRANCIS: Yes.
WILLIAMS: He said it was about the financial industry, the media industry. Now, that's open a whole other can of worms.
GUTFELD: You're suggesting a little anti-Semitism.
WILLIAMS: No, that's what -- from Jeffrey Toobin on CNN to Geraldo Rivera on FOX, that's what people are saying. I don't buy it. I'll leave that judgment to you. But I'm saying as a politician, or as an adviser to a politician, why would you want that conversation?
GUTFELD: This is like Bernie Sanders going into Texas and saying you hate the Dallas Cowboys.
WILLIAMS: It doesn't work. And so what do we see in the polls right now?
GUILFOYLE: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: But Kasich -- Kasich is outpacing Cruz in New York. You say, and Giuliani -- Giuliani won't even endorse Trump, but he said, "You know what? If it's Cruz, I'll vote for Trump."
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Well, what's that tell you?
WILLIAMS: What do you mean?
GUILFOYLE: Yes. That's...
WILLIAMS: That's what I'm trying to say.
WATTERS: All right. Got to go. Stay tuned, because "FOX News Sunday" host Chris Wallace joins us next.
GUILFOYLE: All right.
WATTERS: He got an exclusive interview with President Obama, his first appearance on FOX News since 2014. What they spoke about and a preview clip ahead.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
FRANCIS: mBreaking news overseas today. The last fugitive wanted for November's attacks in Paris was arrested today in Belgium. The suspect, Mohamed Abrini, could be the mysterious man in the hat seen alongside the two suicide bombers spotted at Brussels Airport last month.
FOX's Greg Palkot is live in London with more on this one.
Greg, what do you know?
GREG PALKOT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Melissa, we just got confirmation from the Belgian authorities in the last hour and a half. W you noted, Mohamed Abrini confirmed to be arrested today. We know for a fact that he was wanted in relation to the Paris terror attacks last November that left 130 dead.
He was seen transporting the now-arrested Paris attacker Saleh Abdeslam. He played a big role in that.
Now, as you noted, they're looking very hard to confirm that he was the so- called man in the hat, the third suspect at the airport bombing in Brussels last month. All told, those attacks left 32 people dead. He was seen -- a suspect was seen in video that was released yesterday, and they're working to confirm that this man is that man.
All they said tonight was that DNA and fingerprints of Abrini were found at the apartments used by the terrorist. A second man was among the five arrested, could have played a role in the metro station bombings.
So some major arrests, terror attacks, tied to the ISIS terror group.
Back to you, Melissa.
FRANCIS: Greg Palkot, thank you so much for that.
There's a big interview airing this weekend on FOX News. Chris Wallace has an exclusive sit-down with President Obama and "FOX News Sunday." It is the president's first appearance on the show since he was elected.
They talk about everything from the current election to terror to Hillary Clinton's e-mail investigation. Here's a clip of the president on his Supreme Court pick, Merrick Garland.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Have you made a commitment to Garland that you're going to stick by him through the end of your term? Or perhaps, let's say, Hillary Clinton as the newly-elected president, would you pull him and let her make the pick?
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What I -- I think we can't have is a situation in which the Republican Senate simply says, "Because it's a Democratic president, we are not going to do our job, have hearings and have a vote."
WALLACE: But just to button this up, are you saying you will stick with Merrick Garland through the end of your term?
OBAMA: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FRANCIS: Wow.
All right. The full interview airs Sunday on FNC at 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. Eastern. Also on FOX broadcasting network. Check your local listings.
Chris Wallace joins us now for more on his one-on-one. Chris, what was the best question that you asked that reaped the best answer? Don't tell us the answer, because I don't want to spoil your special, but when you're going through the, what worked out the best for you?
WALLACE: Well, first of all, they're like my children. I like all of my questions.
But I would say that the two other areas that I talked about with him that were very interesting was one about terror, and the criticism that you hear from all sides, that this president doesn't react appropriately when there's a terror attack. That when James Foley is beheaded, he goes out and plays golf; that when you have the Brussels attack, he stays in Cuba and goes to a baseball game.
And I asked him about whether or not he actually feels the terror threat that most Americans feel.
And the other area that we explored and I think that's very interesting and will make the most news, is -- he hasn't been asked about this since last October when he was on "60 Minutes." And he was -- gave Hillary Clinton, basically, a clean bill of health on the idea that she hasn't affected or endangered national security by her private e-mail.
Of course, since then, we've found out there were 2,000 e-mails that had classified information; 22 had top-secret information. So I asked him does he still give her that same clean bill of health, and then following up on that, can he assure the American people that the FBI investigation into the Clinton case, that the ultimate decision on how to handle it, will be a legal decision and not a political decision?
FRANCIS: You did a great job of teasing that. I am now desperate to hear his answers. Juan Williams has a question for you.
WILLIAMS: So in addition to the big interview, gosh, it's 20 years of "FOX News Sunday." I guess I'm the senior guy sitting on that panel. Twenty years, Tony Snow to Chris Wallace. Great show.
So let me ask you, when you are talking to this president, and the Democrats always say, "We don't like to come on FOX. We had this problem, we had that problem." But here's President Obama sitting down with you. What does he have to say about the Republican campaign: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Governor Kasich?
WALLACE: Well, I didn't ask him -- and first of all, thank you for all those nice comments, Juan. I didn't ask him specifically about that, because frankly, he doesn't have any problems taking off and criticizing Cruz and Trump. And he does take a veiled shot at both of them in this thing when he's talking about the terror and some of the comments they've made like carpet bombing.
But I did ask him -- and I thought this was interesting -- about the anger that we're seeing in this election. And the fact that it's not just on the Republican side but also the Democratic side with the Bernie Sanders voters. And I said, "Do you feel any personal responsibility that, after eight years of your presidency, so many Americans still feel cut out, still feel like there's a rigged game in Washington and a rigged game on Wall Street?"
He takes some responsibility. But I will say he shares the blame with the Republicans.
FRANCIS: Hmmm. Jesse.
WATTERS: Chris, it's Jesse here. Did he know he was doing a FOX News interview? Or did you run into him at the library or something? This guy hand done any FOX except the Super Bowl interviews. How did you get this interview?
WALLACE: Well, you know, the key is timing. And in life and in this interview, because we've asked him every week for the last eight years. The last time that I interviewed him was in the Indiana primary in May of 2008. So it only took me eight years.
But I had a sense that, because he's pushing Republicans so hard to give a hearing and a vote to Merrick Garland, that he might want to reach out to our audience. That's the pitch we made, and they agreed to it.
GUILFOYLE: That was crafty. I love me some Chris Wallace. Good one. That was great.
So congratulations. You're making us very proud, and I'm glad that the president sat down with you. Wise choice. Do you think that it went so well that it was quite auspicious that he might actually come on FOX again?
WALLACE: Well, at the end of the interview, you know, after the cameras were up, I sort of asked him. And he said, "Well, listen, you always treat me fairly, Chris," but he didn't give an answer. So I -- so I think it's a definitely maybe at the most. But you know, he's not going to be there that much longer, so what the heck?
I will say one other really interesting thing in the interview. We have the big serious issues interview, but also, this was a sentimental journey for him. Because he was a professor at the University of Chicago at the law school in 2004. We talk as we walk through the law library. You saw those walking shots of us. And I talk about the -- that's it here -- best day in the White House, worst day, biggest accomplishments, worst mistake.
We end up at the office where he wrote the book as a law professor, "Dreams from My Father." And it's so interesting. We go in. It's a cubbyhole. It's a broom closet. He was there in 2004. And I say it's a heck of a journey from there to the Oval Office. And it's -- what he has to say about that is very interesting.
GUILFOYLE: All right.
GUTFELD: Hey, Chris, last question for me. I was just curious if he mentioned me at all, because we haven't talked for a while, and he still has my sweatshirt.
WALLACE: He did, but we cut that part of the interview out, Greg.
GUTFELD: Did he say anything about what he plans to do in his -- he's the youngest -- he'll be the youngest former president, I believe. So there's plenty of time to catch up on your reading. What do you think -- did he have any -- say what he's planning on doing?
WALLACE: Well, it's interesting. One of the questions I asked him is, "Do you feel this job has aged you?" And he said, "Well, yes, I'm eight years older." He said, "I don't think emotionally or mentally it has," because he says it's so invigorating. Actually, I'm giving an answer here, which I'm not supposed to, but I will because it's interesting.
He says, "But I have a feeling, four or five months after I'm out of office, I have a feeling I'm going to suddenly realize, man, that was really a turbulent time, and there was a lot of pressure on me. You know, and it will be almost like some -- some post-traumatic stress that goes on."
I will say off camera I asked him, because he's going to stay in Washington, because his daughter is still going to be in high school. And there's been talk that he might move into the neighborhood that I'm in. And I said, "Mr. President, you're not going to move into my neighborhood, are you?"
And he said, "You don't want me to screw up the traffic there, do you?"
And I said, "Frankly, no."
And he said, "No, don't worry. I'm not moving into your neighborhood."
FRANCIS: Wow. Good stuff.
GUILFOYLE: He knows where you live.
FRANCIS: He knows where you live, yes. Interesting.
All right, Chris. Thank you so much. We look forward to watching Chris's exclusive interview with the president. It airs on Sunday on the FOX News Channel at 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. Eastern. Or you can catch it on the FOX broadcasting network. Check your local listings for that one.
So don't move: "Facebook Friday" is up next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUTFELD: Yes. It's "Facebook Friday," time for us to answer your questions. I'm going to start with you, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Uh-oh.
GUTFELD: This is from Rocky R.: "If you could be in a famous band, what band would you choose?" Quickly.
GUILFOYLE: Journey.
GUTFELD: Why?
GUILFOYLE: Because I love it. I can sing all the songs.
GUTFELD: You seem like a Journey girl.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
GUTFELD: When the lights go out in the city and the sun shines on the bay.
WILLIAMS: Whoa!
GUTFELD: Anyway, because she's from the Bay Area.
WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes.
GUTFELD: Juan Williams.
WILLIAMS: I was thinking I would like to be with the Jackson 5. But then I was thinking about the kind of pressure and abuse.
But you know, look, really, money for nothing? Chicks for free? I mean, that's good stuff. Right?
GUTFELD: Dire Straits.
WILLIAMS: I like Dire Straits.
GUTFELD: There you go.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
WILLIAMS: And I finally said, I thought, you know, the biggest ...
GUILFOYLE: Watch the lyrics.
WILLIAMS: ... party I've ever seen. But did see them live -- I saw it on tape -- was Jimi Hendrix and the Experience.
GUTFELD: That would be fun. But you'd have to be his handler so he doesn't die. Because he was a great guitarist.
Jesse.
WATTERS: I'm going to go with NWA.
GUTFELD: Very good. Nice choice.
WATTERS: Yes, I would.
GUTFELD: Nice choice. You would -- you would blend in. By the way, "Straight out of Compton" is one of the best rap albums of all time. But we're not going to talk about it.
FRANCIS: All time. All time.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: What is it with young white guys and rap?
GUTFELD: More interesting than white guys.
GUILFOYLE: That's another segment.
FRANCIS: To my answer, which this is really embarrassing now. I would just like to be a back-up rapper. Have you seen those guys onstage? They do nothing. They just stand back there and go, like, "Yes."
GUTFELD: Except they end up marrying the singer.
FRANCIS: Behind Jay-Z or Ciara, like one of those. Like, after NWA now, my answer is horrible.
WILLIAMS: But I've got to tell you, you know, you could be one of those great back-up singers. I really...
FRANCIS: No, back up rapper.
GUILFOYLE: But I was in [SIC] -- mostly, I was cover bands.
GUTFELD: Really?
FRANCIS: That would be good.
GUTFELD: I would pick -- I would pick Coldplay so one evening I could poison them.
WATTERS: That's not nice.
GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you, Greg?
GUTFELD: Poison them with love. And poison.
GUILFOYLE: It used to be Adam Levine.
GUTFELD: This is from Donna, and we'll go this way.
FRANCIS: Uh-oh.
GUTFELD: This is a great question: "If you could eat one thing only for the rest of your life, what would it be?"
FRANCIS: In and Out cheeseburger.
GUTFELD: Cheeseburger?
FRANCIS: In and Out. It's got to be In and Out.
GUTFELD: Jesse, what do you have?
WATTERS: I'm going to leave that one alone.
Lobster. I'm going to go with lobster.
GUTFELD: Lobster? Do you know lobsters are treated like almost like insects back in Boston, as prison food?
FRANCIS: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Yes, fed to prisoners.
GUTFELD: Yes, they fed it to prisoners, and then they ran out.
WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
GUTFELD: I hate that they're the insects of the sea.
GUILFOYLE: Keep it going, people.
WILLIAMS: For me, last meal, I would pick...
GUILFOYLE: No, one meal.
FRANCIS: You have to eat it forever and ever and ever and ever.
WILLIAMS: I'd eat blue crabs covered with Old Bay.
GUTFELD: Mm, nice.
GUILFOYLE: Interesting.
You know what mine is, right?
GUTFELD: Of course. Salami.
GUILFOYLE: Salami. Yes, do you know why, too? You can bring it anywhere with you. It doesn't need to be refrigerated. Always so tasty.
GUTFELD: I would say bald eagles.
WILLIAMS: Oh!
GUTFELD: This is an almost serious one...
WILLIAMS: You'd have the feathers -- feathers stuck in your teeth.
GUTFELD: No, you have them plucked.
All right. This is from Jennifer: "What was the one thing that was the most instrumental in becoming the person you are today?"
We'll go this way, quickly.
GUILFOYLE: Death of [SIC] my mother.
GUTFELD: Very good.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, sorry, but true.
GUTFELD: Juan.
WILLIAMS: I guess my dad, you know. My dad's a pretty competitive guy. He was a boxing -- you know, trained boxers. And I think he trained his son.
GUTFELD: Excellent. Jesse.
WATTERS: I'm smart. I'm going to go with my wife.
GUTFELD: That was very good. Very good.
FRANCIS: I would say growing up in Hollywood.
GUTFELD: Yes.
FRANCIS: Michael Landon.
GUTFELD: Michael Landon? Yes.
FRANCIS: Yes, being -- working as a kid.
GUTFELD: I'll bet he was quite an inspiration for you.
GUILFOYLE: Because of the -- yes, and the fatherliness.
FRANCIS: I mean, he was. He was a really hard worker. He was a good guy. I mean, he was a lot of fun. He was very serious; he was a great businessman.
GUTFELD: He went from the prairie...
GUILFOYLE: He kind of helped to raise you in so many ways, right?
FRANCIS: I mean, I was working. Yes, but I mean, he was very serious, and we always say the reason why none of the kids from "Little House on the Prairie" ended up, you know, like dealing drugs or robbing a dry cleaner is because he had a Puritan work ethic. I mean, he really drove us hard.
WILLIAMS: See, that's a high standard.
GUTFELD: Yes.
FRANCIS: And was serious about people...
(CROSSTALK)
WATTERS: You sold me drugs yesterday.
GUTFELD: I know.
WATTERS: What are you talking about?
GUTFELD: That's where I get my oxy.
All right. I was going to say my mother was the most instrumental. And then I thought being born was the most instrumental thing that happened to me.
GUILFOYLE: Which also involves her.
GUTFELD: Yes, but so many people have mothers, and they're not born.
GUILFOYLE: OK.
GUTFELD: "One More Thing" is up next. Downer.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Juan, we begin with you.
WILLIAMS: So last night, I joined Trevor Noah on "The Daily Show" on Comedy Central to talk about my new book, "We, the People." Please to go Amazon, your local bookstore, pick one up. Anyway, in the course of this interview, Trevor asked me about what it's like to work at FOX.
Check it out.
GUILFOYLE: Check it out.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TREVOR NOAH, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW": I see your face every day...
WILLIAMS: Thanks for watching.
NOAH: ... when watching the news, and you're on FOX.
WILLIAMS: Right.
NOAH: That must be an interesting world for you to be a part of.
WILLIAMS: It is. Remember, I'm on "The Five," so it's four against one. So it's really something.
NOAH: In the book, what's fascinating to me is you're not arguing for or against these people. You're going to shaped the country...
WILLIAMS: Correct.
NOAH: ... positively or negatively, is not something. You're just saying they shaped the country this way.
WILLIAMS: Absolutely. Much like a sculptor gets in the clay and shape something...
NOAH: Yes.
WILLIAMS: ... these are the people who shaped America as we live in it right now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: Much thanks to Trevor Noah and his wonderful staff. I had a great time. And again, let me say, please go out, open up "We, the People." You're going to have fun with this book.
GUILFOYLE: All right. OK, Greg.
GUTFELD: Excellent. I watched it all last night. It was very good.
Tomorrow -- tomorrow night, 10 p.m., I've got one of my heroes, Stuart Copeland from The Police. One of the greatest drummers that have ever walked the earth. He'll be on tomorrow for the whole show.
Then I've got to remind you: me and Dana, the town hall in Pennsylvania. We're in Hershey, Pennsylvania, April 24. We're going to have Larry Gatlin there. And of course, the dog. But you go there, we talk about politics. We're going to talk about the campaign. We're going to talk about the books. There's going to be a Q and A. It's going to be awesome.
GUILFOYLE: OK. Who's on top of the dog?
GUTFELD: Go to GGutfeld.com.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, I have a very exciting "One More Thing" today. Super delighted, because we have a new baby in the FOX News house.
FRANCIS: Woo-hoo!
GUILFOYLE: Yes, indeed.
That is Liberty Josephine Babin, and that is a beautiful, beautiful daughter of our very own Jenna Lee and Leif. We are super excited for them. Born 8 pounds, 5 ounces on Tuesday. And her name was chosen many years ago during a phone conversation between Jenna and Leif. And her daddy was in Iraq, deployed there at Camp Michael Monsoor, a base named after a fallen SEAL. And which, by the way, the baby shares the same date of birth as Michael Monsoor.
GUTFELD: Wow.
GUILFOYLE: And Jenna at that time, when she was talking to Leif, was looking at the Statue of Liberty. So I think it's an incredible story. The baby's name pre-determined. The day she would be born was not. And we are super happy to have her in the family.
And the middle name is in honor of her great-grandmother. So God bless you guys. What a wonderful family, and baby Trace has a little sister now to enjoy. Much love from all of us.
Melissa.
FRANCIS: Sweet.
All right. So Variety magazine today celebrated the power of women, and they honored our own Megyn Kelly, who is so powerful. She surrounded herself with other women from FOX News. She gave [SIC] up and gave a very inspirational speech. And of course, Hemmer was there to introduce her. When he said, "All the ladies of FOX News over there at the table," well, this crowd from Hollywood didn't clap for the rest of us.
But they liked Megyn. They like Megyn. Everybody else is like...
GUTFELD: They only like -- they only like certain types of women.
FRANCIS: There's the magazine. We are very proud of Megyn.
GUILFOYLE: God bless. Great job.
WATTERS: So O'Reilly is out on assignment, and they needed someone to fill in for "The Factor." They called about six people. They finally came to me and I said I'll do it. We'll see how it goes tonight. "Watters World" on "The Factor" tonight. Get your weekend started right.
GUILFOYLE: All right. And I'll check you out on "Hannity" after that.
But also, please set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five."
That's it for us. Have a great weekend. "Special Report" is next.
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