Campaign crunch-time in Iowa

And the anti-establishment sentiment is palpable


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 21, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and he surfs on a -- just kidding, Greg Gutfeld.


BOLLING: It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is The Five.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: You what they say --

BOLLING: Well, it's crunch time. Only 11 days to go until Iowa. Things are heating up in both races. On the right, the anti-establishment sentiment is palpable. Being linked to the D.C. elite class has become so toxic; candidates are trying to paint their competitors as establishment in order to turn off voters.


TED CRUZ, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: A lot of the establishment had been behind Marco Rubio that they've decided now he doesn't have a path to victory, they're moving to Donald Trump, and we're seeing that more and more. The establishment seems to have made a determination. Donald Trump's the guy they can make a deal with, who will continue the cronyism and corporate welfare and bailouts for big banks. And I think that we're seeing conservatives, getting behind us and we're seeing the Washington establishment getting behind Donald Trump -- interestingly enough.


BOLLING: So while Trump's lead continues to widen, the establishment candidates are duking it out to be the one to take on Trump. Steve Hayes calls it a screwed-up election cycle.


STEVE HAYES, THE WEEKLY STANDARD COLUMNIST: You've got these people with the money, the establishment types with the money, trying to climb above Rubio to become eligible to take on Trump or Cruz. But just at the moment that we're in right now, where Donald Trump was not -- hasn't been a republican, certainly hasn't been a conservative, is getting no attacks, virtually no attacks. And Marco Rubio, a Tea Party candidate, was the future of conservatism is being hit with the overwhelming number of negative attacks. Tells you just how screwed up this cycle is.


BOLLING: I think he may have been on to something. What do you say Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think the problem with calling somebody establishment or anti-establishment is that it's independent of quality or effectiveness. It's just you call --it's a smear that you use against anybody -- everybody except the person you like, so people that aren't establishment, Bill Ayers, he's not establishment. Charles Manson, he's not establishment, the guy that keeps passing out in front of my door every morning -- it's an apartment, is anti-establishment. So the fact is it does -- if you keep saying something over and over and over again, it becomes pointless.


GUILFOYLE: You know, it's very -- I've not seen this before. I mean, I don't know that anybody has, in terms of, you know, the way that these developments have transpired. But I'll tell you what's interesting is that Cruz seems to be a little bit, almost on the defensive now, and others are starting to see that perhaps, he's vulnerable. So it's all about jockeying kind of, for the two and three spot, to try to get in, to make the attack, to see if one of them can take him down. All I'm going to say is let's see what happens in Iowa and New Hampshire. I think that's going to be very big and then, go from there.

GUTFELD: I disagree.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, you're up. You're wrong.

BOLLING: Dana, so, you know, the common wisdom is that with four, whatever, you want to call them establishment, with four --


BOLLING: I do. OK, I do.


PERINO: You want to call them that.

BOLLING: Rubio, Bush, Kasich and Christie, if they all stay in the race, they continue to beat each other up, none of them can get behind one candidate, and Trump continues to lead.

PERINO: Well, not until the voting starts. And so when the voting starts then we'll have a little bit more clarity. But I think, if you are somebody who would be smeared as somebody who is establishment, you think about all the republican voters all across the country, who are just sitting back, being very quiet, just saying like OK, all will continue to be insulted. But for told -- for so long, they've been told for many years, you're not conservative enough and that's why you're on the outs. We don't like you because you're not conservative enough. Then they're told by the same people, well, then you need to get on the Trump train because Trump is the guy, his -- the anti-establishment guy. But then, Cruz is also the anti- establishment guy. And now you have a fight between who is really a conservative, Trump or Cruz? In the meanwhile, if you are a republican voter, I think that you're sitting back going -- OK, if you guys can get your stories straight and your ideology straight, then I -- here's what I think. If you're a voter, just do your homework. Look at the candidates, there's plenty of information out there. And then vote your conscience, and just decide who you want to vote for and let the chips fall where they may.

GUTFELD: I don't have a conscience.

PERINO: All right, well.

BOLLING: Do you have chips?

GUTFELD: Yes, I do have any -- I do have chips.

BOLLING: Where do you --

GUILFOYLE: You should get one at Walmart.


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I love watching. And I think, you know, obviously the republicans has much more interesting than the democratic side these days.

PERINO: Au contraire.

WILLIAMS: OK. But you know, I remember that Cruz said, he thought that the establishment wanted a cage match between the Donald and Cruz, but -- and so he says now, you have your cage match and it should have opened a lane for an establishment candidate, but it hasn't. And in fact, Cruz points out now, it's a two-man race, it's just between Cruz and Trump. And the interesting development I think, over the last 24 hours was Bob Dole comes out and says, "Oh, this guy, Cruz, he's an extremist. You know, he's way outside the republican parameters, if you will."



BOLLING: Can we talk about that for a second. Did that open the door for all the people who, establishment or not, or who couldn't swallow the Trump medicine, to start swallowing the Trump medicine?

PERINO: I don't know. I think --

BOLLING: Bob Dole?

PERINO: You know Peggy Noonan wrote her column last week, talked about for both Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz. They learned something that a lot of us learned early in our life is that, you pay a price if you're not liked over many years. And I think what Ted Cruz is facing now from the dreaded establishment, like somebody who -- actually, I look up to and respect Bob Dole.


PERINO: The Bob Dole is saying look, if you're gonna have to make a choice between those two, go with the deal-maker. He's like, let's go for Trump. You look at the Iowa governor, the republican. He says, "don't go for Cruz, he would be against our policies." I think that there is -- something to be said about Ted Cruz, waiting in the wings for quite a while, right? He didn't attack Trump, and actually, in a Washington Post poll about a month ago, one of the things people said they liked most about Ted Cruz, is that he had not gone after Trump.


PERINO: So now, they're in -- they're really in a dead heat for Iowa and I -- but however, I think the new poll from CNN just came out. Trump looked like he's pulling away.

GUILFOYLE: He is, yeah.

PERINO: Also in New Hampshire. And I think one of the most effective attacks, whether you agree with it or not, were the attacks on whether Ted Cruz should be eligible to be president because of where his mother was --


PERINO: Gave birth.

BOLLING: So Greg, Terry Branstad, the governor of Iowa saying, don't vote for Ted Cruz. Bob Dole is saying if you got to pick between the two and 60 percent of the republicans right now are picking between one of those two.

GUILFOYLE: I didn't know it's a big deal.

BOLLING: Both of those -- I'll pose the same question I asked Dana. Is this the opportunity for people who have been not on the Trump bandwagon to say, OK, well, this looks like my two choices, I'll go with Trump.

GUTFELD: It's interesting, because at the same time you could say, well, those two, those two people represent the establishment in a bad way. Ethanol subsidies, Bob Dole lost an election, and we've been told by the hard right that we're tired of squishy mainstream republicans who keep losing elections.


GUTFELD: Like Bob Dole. You know what --

PERINO: If you're not conservative enough.

GUTFELD: You're not conservative enough. So there is a hypocrisy there. The person we haven't talked about is Rubio and all these attacked ads. He's being attacked more than a Port-a-Potty at a Chili festival.


GUTFELD: And it's because they know --

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

GUTFELD: If you look at the statistics, he's the only one in the RealClearPolitics, the only one that can beat Hillary. He's beating her 46 to 44, when you summarize all the polling. Clinton best beats Trump. Bush is slightly better, but loses to Trump. Cruz can't -- slightly ahead of Clinton. But the one that's really threatening everybody is Rubio. So he's just sitting back in his nice little boots and waiting for the smoke to clear.

WILLIAMS: But Cruz says --

BOLLING: But he's saying he's beaten up by Bush and Christie --


GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that's why she, you know --

GUILFOYLE: Because they want to move into his lane.


GUTFELD: They want his boots.

WILLIAMS: Exactly right.


GUILFOYLE: Then why?

WILLIAMS: So in that establishment lane.


WILLIAMS: The establishment lane would've thought to be, oh, we're just waiting now, let those two, you know.


WILLIAMS: Trump and Cruz go at it, and then someone who come out the establishment -- but nobody.

PERINO: Well, hold on.

WILLIAMS: But you know what, in fact -- just let me say quickly, Dana that Cruz said.

GUILFOYLE: I know --

WILLIAMS: Cruz said.


WILLIAMS: In fact, Rubio has no path to victory. He doesn't see any way. And you know the political strategist who used to think Rubio had a way, are becoming dubious about it.

GUTFELD: Hmm, really.

PERINO: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you, that was a good point. I was just gonna say that -- in New Hampshire, if you look at how they do their voting, they have 44 percent of people in New Hampshire are undeclared, which means, on the night of the primary, they can, or the day, they can choose whether they are going to go for a GOP or a democrat ballot. They often wait until to see what Iowa does. And in New Hampshire, Kasich is actually doing pretty well. I'm not saying that opens up a lane or a path to a nomination. But remember when he sat here on The Five and he said, "I have a strategy and a plan. I have the best ground game to win in New Hampshire. And if I do that, the momentum of the race changes." Guess who won -- who came in second in 1992, and was called the comeback kid?


PERINO: Bill Clinton.

GUILFOYLE: Bill Clinton.



BOLLING: All right --

GUILFOYLE: And Kasich did say that. He wanted to say how he was going to finish up and if he could get second, third-place, et cetera, and remain, you know, even relevant, viable in the race. He picked up another endorsement. So he's getting a little bit of momentum and buzz, so --

BOLLING: A tough tall order, though, if he doesn't -- if there is a Trump Iowa and Trump won in New Hampshire.

PERINO: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: But guess what? If you're in Florida or Ohio, you're looking, pretty right now.

BOLLING: All right, now to the democrat race. Bernie Sanders put out his latest ad, set to start airing in Iowa and New Hampshire, starting tomorrow. He's enlisted some help from Simon and Garfunkel this time.



SIMON AND GARFUNKEL, SINGER: Let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together.


SIMON AND GARFUNKEL: I've got some real estate here in my bag.


SIMON AND GARFUNKEL: Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike, they've all come to look for America.


SIMON AND GARFUNKEL: All come to look for America.



BOLLING: Now we gave you really big portion of that ad.


BOLLING: The Clinton campaign is trying as hardest to stop Sanders' momentum in the early voting states. Here's Hillary's lap dog and fundraiser, David Brock.


DAVID BROCK, FOUNDER OF CORRECT THE RECORD: I don't believe he's electable in the Democratic Party. And he's not electable in the general election, and that's because of the elephant in the room. He's a socialist, he's not a democrat. He's got a 30-year history of affiliation with a lot of wackdoodle ideas and parties. Think about what the republicans will do with the fact that he's a socialist, in the fall.


BOLLING: And how we can do that.



BOLLING: OK, can we do it, Juan?


BOLLING: Between the democrat and a socialist. Again, no one can do -- no one can answer it, because there is no difference.

WILLIAMS: There is -- what are you talking about.

BOLLING: All right.

WILLIAMS: So Obama is a socialist? Come on.


WILLIAMS: This is so ridiculous. But I do think that.


WILLIAMS: It raises a legitimate point. I know David Brock is not a popular guy. But I'm gonna tell you that's a legitimate point that republicans will eviscerate Sanders, if Sanders is the nominee as a socialist. Don't you think?

BOLLING: Can we stop calling him a self-described socialist? He's a socialist.

GUTFELD: But the best part is when Brock -- when somebody who is insane calls somebody else a wackadoodle, does that mean that they're actually insane?


GUTFELD: By the way, socialist don't run things unless they're running it to the ground. All you got to look to is look at Venezuela. Whether its economies -- or this is the lesson for young people who don't know what socialism is. Socialism destroys economies, it destroys governments and it -- and it actually puts people into the ground, literally. If you look back at the 20th century, they've ruined more lives than Ebola. If you look at the ad --

GUILFOYLE: A lot more.

GUTFELD: A lot more. If you look at that ad, it's liberalism in a nutshell. There's no human conflict, there's no enemies, there's no risk, there's no security. It's like you can live our hugs and poetry. There's -- there's no difference between the Democratic Party and a teenager's dream journal.

GUILFOYLE: But you know what? Hugs and poetry, you almost have me.

GUTFELD: You were such --

GUILFOYLE: You and salami.

GUTFELD: No, you're --

GUILFOYLE: You would have had me.

GUTFELD: For coffee house, acoustic guitar-playing hippie.


GUTFELD: Yeah. You know you --

GUILFOYLE: I don't go man band, OK?

BOLLING: You know --

GUILFOYLE: That's all I got to say.


BOLLING: So, (inaudible)? Bernie Sanders has got the zeitgeist right now. People are flocking to Sanders. David Brock is not going to change that. Juan?

PERINO: Well, no. Not necessary, but I -- here's the thing. Bernie Sanders, that ad was really good.

WILLIAMS: I thought so true.

PERINO: For them.


GUTFELD: The only women --

PERINO: For his audience.

GUTFELD: Only women would like that.


WILLIAMS: Because I like too.

PERINO: But that is so --

BOLLING: And liberal.



PERINO: No, don't you understand?

WILLIAMS: I said I like this.


GUILFOYLE: You guys are like Juan.


WILLIAMS: You know --

GUTFELD: Women and Juan.

WILLIAMS: But no, no.

GUILFOYLE: Women and Juan --

WILLIAMS: I'm a cross-dresser here.




PERINO: Who are the majority of the voters? It is women.

GUTFELD: I think that's sexist.


PERINO: OK. Well, fine.


PERINO: But you know what, they know their audience. And I think --

GUILFOYLE: The ad was good, that was she's saying.


WILLIAMS: Oh you like it.


PERINO: And it also shows that Hillary Clinton has no message.

WILLIAMS: Well, wait a second.

PERINO: Bernie Sanders has a message and they hate.


PERINO: For taking it to the people.


GUTFELD: Maybe I don't like it because it made me cry.


PERINO: I don't like the music, but --


WILLIAMS: I don't --

GUILFOYLE: That's exactly, Dana.

WILLIAMS: I like Simon and Garfunkel. But anyway, you know what --

GUTFELD: That's just the white guys, Juan. Just so you know.


WILLIAMS: It's wrong. Anyway, that ad is upbeat and positive to your point. It is not.

GUTFELD: That's true, you're right.

WILLIAMS: Gloom and doom and the bad guys are coming.

GUILFOYLE: I thought the song was.

GUTFELD: You're right.

GUILFOYLE: Depressing.

WILLIAMS: This is about people getting together.

BOLLING: He's, he -- Bernie Sanders is crushing it with young people.


BOLLING: And the hug.

GUILFOYLE: You know why?

BOLLING: Because of Simon and Garfunkel?

GUILFOYLE: Because that looked like socialist Woodstock.


GUTFELD: Not the (inaudible) dripping off it.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say one last thing. If you had --


WILLIAMS: Gallup asked the Americans. Would you vote for a socialist? You know what, it was the absolute bottom. More people would vote for gays, Muslims -- everybody but, a socialist. So if you think that that's not effective what Brock said, you're wrong.

GUTFELD: That says something bad about our country.

BOLLING: Well, I mean -- right. Yes, it is effective. But I will tell you who had me the most effective doing that is anyone on the republican side to bring up. Here's what we represent.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. Well, that's the point.

BOLLING: Here is your socialist.

WILLIAMS: That's the point.


GUILFOYLE: That's the position --

BOLLING: In the primary.

GUILFOYLE: Farewell.


BOLLING: All right Dana -- Susan, (ph) I got you.

WILLIAMS: We leave it (ph).


BOLLING: If you have a question about the presidential race, tweet it to us. It's Twitter Thursday, we're going to answer a bunch of them ahead. Our handle is @thefive and use hashtag #thefive.

Ahead, a mind-blowing development on Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal, information that completely obliterates the candidate's claim she didn't have classified information on her private, non-secured server -- next.



GUILFOYLE: Oh, Bolling. Pull it together because there's more breaking news on Hillary Clinton's e-mails. We're now finding out that material, found on her private server contained intelligence from some of the government's most secretive programs -- information beyond top-secret. This is so sensitive that some lawmakers on oversight committees don't have enough high-clearances to read them. Republican presidential candidates are expressing outrage.


MARCO RUBIO, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is very serious, and in fact, if Hillary Clinton, God forbid were elected president, one of the first things she'll probably have to do pardon herself.

CRUZ: General Petraeus was criminally prosecuted. And right now, the Obama Pentagon is trying to strip him of one of his stars for doing, what appears on the face to be much, much less than Hillary Clinton did.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You notice how positive she is about the president. You know why, right? You know why? Because she wants to stay out of the clink, that's why, OK? Believe me. That's why.


GUILFOYLE: The clink. Clinton still maintains she never sent or received classified material. Well, a new poll shows Americans are increasingly, doubting her. Fifty-five percent now say she's the least-honest democrat in the race. This is up nine points from December at the big jump. Let's bring in chief White House correspondent Ed Henry now in Nashua, New Hampshire. Hello, Ed.

ED HENRY, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good to see you, Kimberly. And what's interesting and significant from our colleague, Catherine Herridge is reporting, that were you just summarizing there about some of these top- secret information that was allegedly on Hillary Clinton's private server, is that some lawmakers on Capitol Hill who are familiar with these investigations. Simply, according to Catherine, do not have high-enough security clearances to see exactly what information it was. Why is that significant? Well number one, 24 hours ago, when the story was first reported, there were allies of the Clinton campaign going out, leaking stories, saying that this was innocuous information on the server. It really wasn't top secret, not a big deal. Sounds like that may not be true, number one. And number two, you can simply never forget, there's a lot of machinations back and forth and allegations. But let's remember what Hillary Clinton, herself, said on the record, not anonymous sources. But March of 2015, when the story all began in that news conference at the United Nations she said, "There was no classified information on the server. I know what classified information is. It wasn't on there." Well look, there's been over a thousand e-mails that the State Department has already said, had classified information. To --in her defense, they've said it was not marked classified at the time. Certain experts say it doesn't matter. Very bottom line is that's why her credibility is on the line. She said there was no classified information. Now drip, drip, we hear so much more, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable. And more is going to come out. It's just gonna be a, you know, a matter of time on whether it's going to have an impact in significance as it should on decision-making for this election. Ahead, let's take it around the table, Greg, were you jumping up and down --

GUTFELD: Yeah. And I have a question. I just want to see if you can verify this information. Is it true that the one of the top-secret e-mails that were found is a jpeg of Bill Clinton with his clothes on?

HENRY: You know, I can't confirm or deny. What I would say, to try to bring it back to why I'm in New Hampshire, Greg, my pal.


HENRY: Is there -- there's a long line of cars behind me, and I'm not outside of Hillary Clinton event. I'm outside a Bernie Sanders event that's just wrapped up. And you're probably throughout this live shot going to be seeing headlights coming behind me and maybe disrupting the light around the camera, every once in a while, that's because there's so many people still leaving. Bernie Sanders wrapped up at least 10 minutes or so ago. And there are dozens and dozens of cars still leaving. I've been following Hillary Clinton around the country, as you know, not just here in New Hampshire. She very rarely if ever, gets an event of this size.

GUTFELD: You're not answering my question.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Don't worry.

GUTFELD: Not a point. Nice one Ed.

HENRY: I'm ducking. I am ducking.

GUTFELD: You're ducking the question.


GUILFOYLE: No more questions for Greg.

OK. Don't worry, hang in there Ed, because it's only what, like you know, 38 minutes until Special Report and you can get some real questions. All right, Dana, so you can do better than Greg?


PERINO: I have two. Do you think that she just really believes that no one is going to care about the e-mail scandal, so she's sort of factored it in and not worried about it? The second thing is. Do you get a hint that there's any sort of inkling of a conscience on the Hillary Clinton campaign to realize that does -- what she did was wrong?

HENRY: No, not at all. And when I talk to top Clinton advisers, they insist that this is, you know, republican attack politics. Some of the on-the- record stuff you heard from Brian Fallon, stronger stuff on background, sometimes from her advisers that this is much ado about nothing. They claim that what Catherine has been reporting about, has been you know, internecine battles, inter -- you know, this inner-agency battles between various intelligence agencies. That's not really what this is about. At the end of the day, this is about Hillary Clinton's credibility and it's about whether or not there was classified information on that server, and top secret information on that server, and whether or not the Chinese and other intelligence services were able to get in there. That's the subject of the FBI investigation. Very quickly, on your first question, do they think it's going, going to go away? A lot of allies to the Clinton campaign that I talked to people outside, who have given her money and are raising money. They say that they're told by the Clinton camp. The FBI investigation is not really targeting her. That it's just about what was classified. What it wasn't and she's going to be cleared. So they believe, they could be wrong, but they believe inside that campaign that the Obama Justice Department will never bring charges here.

GUILFOYLE: Uh-huh --Bolling.

BOLLING: I want to ask. Here's my question. I find this fascinating, this Obama/Clinton feud that's been ongoing for -- 10 years now. She yesterday said that it was probably the GOP coordinating with the inspector general on this investigation that the timing of it. Today, I think I heard that she was claiming that President Obama was involved in the timing of this, to hurt her chances to become president. What's being said behind the scenes?

HENRY: Well, she -- I haven't heard her say that. What I would say is, what Donald trump was referring to a moment ago, which is that at the debate in South Carolina, I was there on Sunday night, Hillary Clinton gave her most full-throated support and endorsement of President Obama's legacy. Why is she doing that? Well number one, she was with a largely African-American audience. They think there's going to be a southern firewall if they lose Iowa and/or New Hampshire here, to Bernie Sanders that the African-American vote will be important, and that she can win the south with that. So that may have been why she was reaching out so much to President Obama. But also, the implication, at least, from the republicans, especially the frontrunner, Donald Trump, is the idea that Hillary Clinton is saying really nice things about President Obama right now, because she wants to make sure the Justice Department doesn't do anything.

WILLIAMS: Hey, Ed, it's Juan. I wanted to follow up on something you talked about. Which was, whether or not the content of this e-mail that was above classified, really was -- is known, because NBC said that they confirmed that it was just about a drone program and the like. But I heard you say a few moments ago, that maybe that's not the case. What are you thinking here?

HENRY: Right.

WILLIAMS: What are you hearing?

HENRY: Well, I think that -- I was referring to Catherine's reporting. And I trust her in what she has been saying today, is that this was very highly classified information, contrary to the NBC report that suggested it was just innocuous information. Do I know the truth? No. None of us do. And in fact, I think that's part of Catherine's point in her reporting, that some of the lawmakers more importantly, than what we know and don't know, who are supposed to be read in on these programs, don't have all the information, because their classification isn't that high. And by the way, I saw your son, Raffi at the Wizards game in Washington last night before I came to New Hampshire. He's looking stylish, just like you, Juan.

WILLIAMS: yeah, right. Well, look, you need some hot chocolate. Go warm up.

GUTFELD: What --

WILLIAMS: Gutfeld made you break into a cold sweat, anyway.

GUTFELD: What's your son doing hanging around Wizards?

WILLIAMS: Wizards, Wizards. Yeah, you should --


WILLIAMS: A bunch of republicans.



GUTFELD: Nicely done.


GUTFELD: Nicely done.

GUILFOYLE: You can rehabilitate your career in the next hour. Don't worry about it.

All right, don't go anywhere because it's Twitter Thursday -- oh, you've been wanting it? We're going to give it to you. We gonna answer your 2016 questions coming up next.


GUTFELD: All right, P.G. Guess what? It's "Twitter Thursday." We've got a stack. Look at the stack of questions all about the presidential election, so let's get started.

I'm going to go to Kimberly first, because she's not listening.

GUILFOYLE: I'm listening to you.

GUTFELD: She's texting some guy, some dude.

GUILFOYLE: I know the first question. Go ahead. Favorite moment on the campaign trail.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's it.

GUILFOYLE: What else you got for me?

GUTFELD: All right. What is your favorite moment?

GUILFOYLE: My favorite moment is yet to be, when we're all going to go on the road, "Family Feud" style, to Iowa and to New Hampshire. I swear that I'm so looking forward to this, because I think it's going to be fantastic. We're going to do shows live from there, including working on the weekend.


GUILFOYLE: And you know I love to work.

GUTFELD: Yes. And you love traveling with me.

GUILFOYLE: I have four days off.

GUTFELD: I am such an easily -- easy traveler. Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes. And the best thing was that this group said -- the hotel can keep the bar open later.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's true.

PERINO: I hope you are traveling alone.

GUTFELD: I always -- I try to travel alone. I do that for everyone's sake.

WILLIAMS: You stop at Chipotle?

GUTFELD: Juan, you know never to bring that up.

All right. What's your favorite moment so far?

WILLIAMS: You know, I was thinking about it. And I thought, boy, I really liked Sarah Palin's speech. I thought that was amazing. I was like, wow.

GUILFOYLE: You did like that. You could tell. It was very genuine.

WILLIAMS: Not only -- but I mean everybody, everybody, everywhere -- I mean, the liberals thought it was kind of odd. Conservatives thought it was passionate but still odd. But it was, as you know, to quote White Chocolate, you know, a lot of parts in the cuckoo clock.

BOLLING: Who is White Chocolate? Is that a rapper?

GUTFELD: That's me.

I'll tell you, the great thing about the speech is you save on acid. You don't need it.

WILLIAMS: Don't even know.

GUTFELD: You just look at it.

Listen, Eric, favorite moment?

BOLLING: I think it's been all of the "SNL" skits. And you know, it's going to be even greater this week. I'm guessing the cold open on "SNL" is going to be Darrell Hammond doing Trump and Tina Fey doing Sarah Palin.

PERINO: Oh, you're right. You're right.

BOLLING: Conservatives can laugh at ourselves and have fun with ourselves. I mean, the jokes.

More so than liberals.

WILLIAMS: More so, you think?

GUTFELD: We have more practice.

GUILFOYLE: I think you're right about that.

PERINO: Laugh or cry.

GUTFELD: We're doing it at the same time.

PERINO: Laugh or cry?

PERINO: I cry and laugh at the same time.


GUTFELD: Yes. Thanks for taking care...

GUILFOYLE: Somebody's got to drive this bus.

PERINO: I -- I don't know if I had to pick one moment so far. I actually really loved Senator Lindsey Graham at the debates. I thought he was fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: He really was.

PERINO: Brought a lot of passion and humor and just -- he could just nail a point. I thought it was really good. And then he withdrew from the race.

GUTFELD: Yes. We haven't heard from him since.

PERINO: Well, he's down in South Carolina.

BOLLING: Choosing between Trump and Cruz is like choosing between getting shot or poisoned to death.

GUTFELD: It's funny. He doesn't care.

Speaking of Trump. That was -- my favorite moment was when he declared. I was in my office, and everybody was watching it. And everybody was, like, watching it. It was just one of those moments when you knew things were going to be different.

PERINO: Like you will never forget where you were in that moment.

GUTFELD: Yes. When he was coming down the escalator. It was just one of those memorable things.

All right. Steve -- of course you did. Steve asks -- I'll go this way. With Clinton -- with Clinton...

PERINO: Why do you guys have the question?

GUILFOYLE: It's in your packet.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: How disastrous would it be if Sanders became president?

GUTFELD: All right. What do you think of the odds -- what do you think of the odds are that Joe Biden by maybe the Democratic nominee if Clinton's troubles are mounting?

GUILFOYLE: That is not it.

GUTFELD: We're told to skip. We already covered Sanders. See? When you hijack a segment, it all goes to heck.

GUILFOYLE: Mine is better.

PERINO: OK. So the question was Joe Biden, will he come in?

GUTFELD: Democratic nominee.

PERINO: One of the things that he did earlier was talk about basically an anti-socialist message saying you can't have, like, 90 percent taxes. That's not going to work. I think he's just keeping his powder dry a little bit. Because there is a scenario where, at the convention, they could get them on the ballot.

GUTFELD: Did you say he does cocaine?



PERINO: Why would you...

GUTFELD: Just keeping his powder dry.


PERINO: No. Gunpowder.

BOLLING: I think he would be their best hope at this point, especially with the problems that Hillary Clinton has right now.

Now, Bernie Sanders is a socialist. He's not going to become president. It's not going to happen.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you for answering the original question.

BOLLING: No, but the point is, if it gets that far down the road, someone is going to have to pull it back and get someone else in there, because he just cannot win. We'll expose everything about what socialism is that will not be -- the president, Joe Biden would have the best shot in my opinion.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and by the way, would be better for the country. Do you want Sanders? Do you want Hillary Clinton? My God.

BOLLING: Me or him?


GUTFELD: He's right there. Don't talk about him as if Juan's not there. Juan.

WILLIAMS: I'm the Invisible Man.

GUTFELD: Yes, you're the Invisible Man.

WILLIAMS: I was going to say that today, talking to two of the pollsters for the Clinton people. And they said exactly what you said, you know. Because I'm saying, "Well, you know, but Sanders is climbing, looking tougher." And they all were, like, "No way." I mean, even if the worst calamity were to happen to Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden was getting the party was immediately coalesce around Biden.

GUILFOYLE: Did they say that? Literally, that they would? Don't know.

PERINO: And don't forget that Michael Bloomberg, I think, is very seriously considering.

GUILFOYLE: There's a recent article talking just about that. That that that could be...

PERINO: That's a real thing.


GUTFELD: Final thoughts, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: I'd like to sum up, starting with your question, yes, it would be catastrophic for this country if Bernie Sanders were elected president of the United States.

That being said, go, Bernie, go. Win Iowa and New Hampshire. Let people that should be going to jail for committing crimes against this country. Go to jail. We'll consider pardons later, the GOP.

GUTFELD: I think Hillary should go to jail, but she won't. She'll be the nominee.

PERINO: That is -- are we done?

GUTFELD: Yes, we're done.

GUILFOYLE: We don't have any more time.

GUTFELD: Taking questions and stretching it into a chaotic mess.

All right. Ahead, President Obama's taking blame for the breakdown of civility in Washington. But Juan insists it's not the president's fault. It's the Republicans. So he's blaming the Republicans for division. His argument, next.


WILLIAMS: I've got a couple of columns out that, well, Dana told me they're making her head explode. And I thought, gee, that would be good TV. So here's my chance to defend myself.

One of the columns focuses on the breakdown of civility between the two parties. President Obama in the State of the Union cited the breakdown as one of the regrets of his presidency.

But I said I think he's being way too hard on himself. He's not to blame. The GOP is. Why? Because Senate Republicans have blocked all of his proposals, his nominees and just obstructed him in general. Not to mention Republican leaders have allowed anger and extreme voices to define their party today.

And speaking of anger, the other column that angered my friend highlights a new trend among white female voters in America. Fifty-eight percent of white Republican women say they're angrier than they were a year ago.

See, that's according to a poll. It's not my personal opinion, Dana. I do, however, think that it's a contributing issue, and it contributes to the fracturing of the GOP. Now, in terms of your response, it's Dana Perino.

PERINO: That's filibustering.

GUTFELD: That's not filibustering. That's Juan-arhrea.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. It is. It is.

PERINO: All right. First of all, the Republicans have not blocked all the nominees. That's statistically inaccurate. And you can go to the House Senate majority leader's office and get those stats.

First, Reid, Harry Reid? The worst. He is the one who did the nuclear option that caused a huge amount of problems. He's the one who lied about Mitt Romney and bragged about lying about Mitt Romney. He's the one who called the president of the United States a loser and a liar back in 2005.

Polls show that Obama is the most polarizing president of recent times, and the things that the president wants bipartisan -- the things that the president wants done has bipartisan opposition. Gitmo, national energy tax. Gun control.

And on the things where President Obama needed help to get things done -- on education, trade, the highway bill, the dock fix -- where were the Democrats? They did not help President Obama. He actually had to go to Republicans to get all of those things done.

So there's bipartisan opposition to the things that he says he wants done, and yet he blames just the Republicans.

And I actually go back a bit further to give you a little bit of a pass, I think Harry Reid is the worst part of Washington when it comes to civility. But I also believe that this really started in 2000 at the recount.

WILLIAMS: Well, so my feeling is that, when you have...

GUILFOYLE: She just schooled you.

WILLIAMS: ... half of all the Republicans, basically half of them saying, you know, this guy is a Muslim. When you have...

GUTFELD: You mean the truth, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Right. When you have Republicans...

BOLLING: Do you hear Harry Reid say that likely -- President Obama would likely be successful, because he was a light-skinned -- he had light- skinned parents?

CUOMO: No. no. And speaking patterns with no Negro dialect unless he wanted it.

WILLIAMS: Look, what I'm saying, when you have Republicans saying things like -- and this was just Chris Christie the other day. We're going to kick his rear end out of the White House. Joe Wilson, you lie. Westmoreland, he's uppity. I don't think that contributes to civility.

GUTFELD: Juan, but the thing is, blaming each other for division, it's like trying to eat yourself thin. It's completely redundant.

GUILFOYLE: That works.

GUTFELD: You want to talk about where did -- where did this whole idea of divisiveness come from? I say it came after the Vietnam War. I think that we're a country that decided that patriotism was somehow a Neanderthal's folly. We thought it was silly to be proud of our country. I think that created a rift.

And then you had the rise of identity politics, which basically puts me above thee. Everybody is concerned about who they are and not what part of the national being, this country; that doesn't matter to them anymore. So I think that's it -- but if we just all shared culpability, said that we're all involved in this, maybe we can get past the blame game, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I'm all for it. Kimberly, let me just turn you on the second...

GUILFOYLE: I don't like the way you keep score, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me ask you about angry white women that made Dana upset.

PERINO: I can relate.

WILLIAMS: But the numbers indicate the white women are now angrier than nonwhite women in the country. And this passion, I think, is fueling the divide on the right.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I'm so sorry. What's wrong with an angry white woman?

WILLIAMS: I'm all for them, but I'm just saying there are more of them than ever.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, OK. Well, guess what? Because women are participatory in the election, in the dialogue, in the ideology of the country, because women are top wage earners and heads of companies and making decision. They're involved. They're engaged. They have opinion and passion and focus. It matters. I don't think there's anything negative about that. I love it.

GUTFELD: ... the kitchen, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I am woman, hear me roar. Yes.

BOLLING: What my esteemed colleague did here is he attached race to a poll that had literally nothing to do with race. Here's what the poll -- I went -- I read your column. I went to the polls.


BOLLING: Which by the way -- was conducted in November. You know what these angry white women were angry about? Congressional dysfunction and consumer fraud.


BOLLING: But somehow, you turned it to our angry...

GUILFOYLE: War against white women, Juan Williams. War against white...

WILLIAMS: According to the poll, they're angry about things like...


WILLIAMS: ... you know, their children not being able to achieve the American dream. They're angry that America is no longer the most powerful.

BOLLING: Like being racist.

GUILFOYLE: ... negative, yes you did.

WILLIAMS: On, no. I said they're driving a lot of the anger that I think now defines...

PERINO: Can you imagine?

GUTFELD: You made everybody angry.

PERINO: Imagine if Greg Gutfeld wrote a column, and it was titled "Angry Black Women." I mean, there would be...

WILLIAMS: If it was based on facts.

GUILFOYLE: So you just made white women angrier and probably more motivated to go to the polls.

WILLIAMS: Of course. Did you hear about the massive snowstorm coming that could impact more than 50 million people across 15 states? If you've got the winter blues, we've got tips on how to beat them, next.


PERINO: Winter has arrived. More than 50 million Americans across 15 states are expecting major snowstorms this weekend. Washington, D.C., may get hit with the hardest with two feet. Residents there already feeling the effects.

Last night just an inch fell, and it brought traffic to a standstill. Don't believe me? Check out these tweets from our FOX News friends. Bret Baier tweeted, "Oh, and by the way, D.C. can't handle snow, period. A dusting so far, and it's bumper to bumper everywhere. Snowpocalypse."

And Greta Van Susteren said, "It usually takes me 30 minutes to drive home. Tonight two plus hours, because people don't know how to drive in snow in D.C., and they panic."

Now Juan, you are headed back to D.C. for this big snowstorm. When you -- when you're preparing for this, like, do you go to the store and buy everything and go home?

WILLIAMS: Let me say this. I can be very nasty here. Because what you see is that the local news stations just inspire fear and panic. They think Armageddon is coming. Everybody has to go to the store to get the bread, the milk, et cetera.

But all the people who do this, of course, are elderly people during the day. They don't get home. Instead, they just sit on the road. Everything gets clogged up. You can't go home. So what happened to Greta, what happened to Bret? I mean, it's typical. I saw that even the president's motorcade, now how is that possible? The president's motorcade couldn't move.

PERINO: And it's dangerous. The president's motorcade should never be stopped.

Eric, let me ask you about the economic impact. Because the students have the day off tomorrow in anticipation of a snowstorm that's coming on Saturday. And all the businesses are going to be closed, too.

BOLLING: Well what snowstorms like this do, they do stimulate the economic activity. The Lowe's, Home Depot. They sell out -- do grocery stores sell out like you point out?

But also, so this a big, big issue right now that's kind of relevant right now. Uber drivers. With a snowstorm like this, what is the premium going to be? You know, they can charge...


BOLLING: ... you 1.5. They can charge you 2.0.

GUILFOYLE: Two point six.

BOLLING: Yes, what's the number?

GUILFOYLE: It's windy, then.

BOLLING: And it's a good test for Uber right now not to gouge on something like this. Because it will -- it will come up in a congressional hearing somewhere. So it's just a heads up.

PERINO: Do you have any tips for what people should do when they're caught up in a snowstorm?

GUTFELD: Yes. What I do is I fill up my bathtub with chocolate milk, and then I pour in Nilla Wafers and I climb in. And I watch "Law and Order: SVU" until my eyes bleed.

GUILFOYLE: Then call over.

PERINO: What about Kimberly? Do you have a tip?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, I was researching this. Apparently, these are the things you need to do to survive the big storm. You need to get physical. You need to be around other people. I guess and be physical, Juan. Do things you enjoy with other people. And cultivate coziness with other people. You know what happens?

You know what happens? It's really true. People then during hurricanes, storms. They end up dead nine months later, babies.

PERINO: That's why a lot of people are born in May.

My dad used to tell me...

GUILFOYLE: It's true.

PERINO: Because it's nine months after the first frost.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Dana Perino.

GUTFELD: Fact-free.

PERINO: There you go.

GUTFELD: The fact-free "Five."

GUILFOYLE: This is in the package. Just so you know.

PERINO: "One More Thing" is up next.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." Greg's first.

GUTFELD: A special public service announcement. Today is National Hug Day. It was obviously created by lonely perverts who need a day as an excuse to touch somebody they don't know. Word of warning: if anybody tries to hug me, I will punch you in the throat.

BOLLING: I hate these people.

GUILFOYLE: That's it? Like no pictures?

BOLLING: No pictures.

PERINO: A silly dog or anything.

GUTFELD: Nothing, sorry, that's your territory.

BOLLING: All right, Dana. You're up.

PERINO: All right. So I know we just discussed this in this coming year, but check this out in Minnesota. There's a guy named Tom Grotting (ph). He's a Minneapolis resident. And he's trying to cheer people up. What he does is he places frozen pants upright in unlikely spots all around his neighborhood. He just soaks the jeans in buckets of water before sculpting them to make them appear as if they're being worn as they please.

GUTFELD: This is great for Bill Clinton when he's driving home.

BOLLING: All right. K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE" Oh, my God. It's terrible. But funny.

All right. So this is a very serious note here. I want to pay a special tribute and honor, fallen officer, Officer Douglas Scott Barney, 44 years of age, was shot to death. He picked up an extra shift, the Sunday shift to help pay for his cancer treatments. He was in remission for bladder cancer, and to be shot dead by a parolee on a gun charge is absolutely terrible. His funeral will be held on Monday, January 25. Our hearts and prayers go out to his family. Want to thank him for his service. We honor him today. And there's also a GoFundMe page, as well, for his family. So you can see it right there. Anyway, God bless him. May he rest in peace.

BOLLING: God bless him and his family.

Juan, you're up.

WILLIAMS: The Buffalo Bills hired Katheryn Smith. Why is that news? First female full-time coach in NFL history.

GUTFELD: Angry, Juan?

WILLIAMS: I don't know. I don't know.

Anyway, but in the past 18 months, women are making a lot of history in terms of sports week. We've had the first woman assistant coach in the NBA, Becky Hammond. First full-time NFL official, Sarah Thomas. And of course, you have Jen Welter, also with the NFL who's a temporary and Justine Siegel with the MLB.

PERINO: It sounds like we have a lot of women.

Are you trying to make up?

BOLLING: Shouldn't they change that name, the Buffalo Bills? Isn't that offensive?

WILLIAMS: Not to me.

BOLLING: It's sexist. Bill. Bills.

PERINO: Wasn't he an outlaw?

GUTFELD: Buffalo Bill. He was a killer.

BOLLING: Take the shot quickly. Close in on this. Will you give me a close-up of that. That was Dr. Piper, who's a big fan of "The Five." P.C., no-P.C. My new favorite hat.

GUTFELD: It's like Windows.

GUILFOYLE: It's got a nice shape.

BOLLING: "Special Report" is up next.

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