Whoopi Goldberg defends treatment of Carly Fiorina

Co-host says 'The View' helped raise Fiorina's profile


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 2, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Brian Kilmeade. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Last week, the female host of The View chose to critic Carly Fiorina's appearance instead of her performance that when -- Wednesday's GOP debate.


MICHELLE COLLINS, THE VIEW SHOW CO-HOST: He kicked off her thing saying, "You know, people tell me that I didn't smile enough during the last debate." She looked demented. I mean, she did not -- her mouth did not downturn one time. She was like.

JOY BEHAR, THE VIEW SHOW CO-HOST: I wish it was a Halloween mask. I'd love that.

COLLINS: Smiling Fiorina? Can you imagine?


PERINO: Yesterday, the presidential candidate fired back and she issued a challenge to the women.


CARLY FIORINA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's funny, you know, I was on The View several months ago. They said none of that to my face. Maybe, the ladies of The View, if I come back on again, let's see if they have the guts to say that to my face.


PERINO: We will see soon because Fiorina announced this morning, on Fox and Friends, she is going back to appear on The View on Friday, and this is what she expects from her co-hosts.


FIORINA: I don't need an apology, Elizabeth, but I think what this points out is that liberals, and unfortunately, that includes liberal women, when they don't like the message, they attack the messenger. So my message to the ladies of The View is man up.


PERINO: The View had Whoopi Goldberg getting to the mix before Friday show.


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, THE VIEW SHOW CO-HOST: Carly will be here on Friday. Now, I will not, but I do want to point out, Carly, that the last time you were here and you'll see Behar running, we welcomed you to our table, we helped raise your --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Numbers, profile?

GOLDBERG: Your profile.


GOLDBERG: So you would be included in the sea of mad. There were no -- you weren't worried about, you know, any kind of republican backlash. Nobody was backlashing. We were respectful and gave you your due. So, just so we're all clear, you have to know the difference between when somebody is coming for you and when somebody is paying you a compliment and when somebody is saying, here's my observation. If you get that together, maybe you can be president.




GOLDBERG: You'll be here again.


GOLDBERG: Welcome back to The View, Carly Fiorina.


PERINO: Wow. I mean, could you imagine a more chilly reception, Kimberly?


PERINO: I feel like everyone has lost her mind.



GUILFOYLE: Carly better bring her spata (ph) or snuggie (ph) to go on there, but you know what I love about here? She's fearless, she's gonna go on there, telling them like it is. But it's disrespectful. It's so inconsistent when you have rhetoric on one side where there's, you know, oh, we're all for Hillary Clinton and you know, this is outrageous, war on women. Well, guess what? You just suited up. You're part of it. Why are you disrespecting her and saying that she's demented? That's not just like a physical appearance thing, that's suggesting.


GUILFOYLE: A mental instability there. And then she said, "Oh by the way, by the way, Carly."


GUILFOYLE: "You better smile when you talk us, and you better thank us because we help elevate you and raise the platform, so that you actually could be in the game with the boys.

PERINO: And it's a contrast, Eric, from a couple of months ago, or just like six weeks ago because this was an exchange from The View, early on.


BEHAR: You talked about Carly Fiorina in Rolling Stone magazine and you said, "You look at that face, would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that the face of our next president?" Are you making fun of her looks, Donald?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm talking about her persona.

BEHAR: But if you want it to talk about her brain, instead of her face.

TRUMP: She talks along -- we need somebody.


PERINO: So this is what I don't understand about The View is that they try to defend her then, and then.


PERINO: They comment on her looks and then they said, actually, you should thank us because we raised your profile?


GUILFOYLE: You got it.

BOLLING: I don't even know who The View person was. Who called.

KILMEADE: Michelle Collins.

BOLLING: Said she look demented, right?

GUILFOYLE: Is that Collins?

KILMEADE: Collins.

WILLIAMS: Collins.

BOLLING: Whoever it is. Then Whoopi comes back and says, "Don't you understand Carly, you don't even understand when someone is coming for you or when we're trying to pay you a compliment or it's just an observation. Which one is it Whoopi, because I'm not really sure. Sound like she's coming for, she was coming for Carly Fiorina. Give Carly Fiorina a pat on the back for saying, I'm gonna go sit with those people.


BOLLING: Who are rude and mean.


BOLLING: And mean-spirited. And basically telegraphing that it's going to be a horrible time for her, but she's gonna go and she points out, she's going to man up and go sit with them and show them what it's all about. This is a good thing for Carly Fiorina. It's not a bad thing, this is a good thing and good luck on Friday, Whoopi. She's way smarter than you are.

PERINO: This is the thing. I understand Juan, which is what -- it would never enter my mind to say something about somebody else's physical appearance if I even disagreed with them. I mean maybe you would do something like in the background, like with your friends, but now it's like it so public and have people changed? What's going on?

WILLIAMS: But wait a second, wait a second, Dana. Where's this -- you know, the ladies on The Five here are getting together and ganging up on us, but I hear also.

PERINO: Wait. We're ganging up on whom?

GUILFOYLE: Who are we ganging up?

WILLIAMS: I hear all sorts of comments about boys. I hear about Trump here.

GUILFOYLE: Let me tell you something Juan. If I dog piled you, you'd know it.

WILLIAMS: Well thank you. I would, too, but.


WILLIAMS: But I'm saying we hear comments about Trump here. We hear.

PERINO: From Kimberly and me?

WILLIAMS: Well, I think that.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think no.



GUILFOYLE: Incorrect.

WILLIAMS: From the public at large.


WILLIAMS: From the public at large.

PERINO: Not once?

WILLIAMS: No. I didn't say that necessarily the two of you, but I'm saying, it's come -- it is fair game for people to comment about Trump's look.


WILLIAMS: About Bernie Sanders' hangdog look, right? I don't.

PERINO: Or about Christie's weight. I mean there is.

WILLIAMS: I heard comments about Hillary Clinton. Remember, I think when -- somebody said, you know, can you imagine watching her age in the White House? I mean like you know, this people say this about public figures. We're -- I mean, public figures including all of us are targets.

KILMEADE: Here's the thing. This is (inaudible). We will wonder where Carly Fiorina went after the last debate and she just wasn't in the line of fire. I mean she was in publicity -- she was in the public eye.


KILMEADE: Maybe she was in Iowa or New Hampshire, I'm not sure. But for the most part she dropped.

PERINO: Right.

KILMEADE: I was looking at her numbers now. She's 6th nationally, 7th in Iowa, 3 percent. She's 6th in New Hampshire. It was 6.5 percent. The best thing could ever happen is for you going in there and face down her accuser. Not that you ever wanted to treat a woman like that is say demented. By the way, Joy was right. Why don't you comment on her brain? She was commenting on the brain. Demented is a huge insult, but again, she's commenting on the brain. So I guess she's tutor (ph) school. My feeling is for Carly Fiorina, she's extremely tough and she's really quick on her feet. She's going to do fine on The View. The View it seems like a shoe that just wailing, anything to get publicity. Now they've got something back, they're just dying to get traction. And by all accounts, believe it or not, the sanest one on that show is Whoopi Goldberg. Elizabeth, though, was she says she's a great person, so I believe that she is going to be the one to treat her with class.

PERINO: I like Whoopi, too. That's why I kind of surprise by that previous thing.

GUILFOYLE: So do I, they were nice when I was there, when you were there.

PERINO: Yeah, but let me take a look, though. That -- OK, aside from The View, that one thing that's great for, especially for republican women is that you now have somebody who is there as Carly Fiorina hanging in there in the top 10. And so we could look at a match-up between Carly Fiorina and Hillary Clinton. I f you want to look at this montage which we have next.



HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The economy does better when you have a democrat more in the White House.

FIORINA: The more the government gets engaged in the economy, the slower the economy becomes.

CLINTON: I cannot imagine anyone being more of an outsider than the first woman president.

FIORINA: We ought to recognize that women are not special interest group.

CLINTON: It's always the republicans are their sympathizers who say, you can't have paid leave, you can't provide health care. They don't mind having big government to interfere with a woman's right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood.


FIORINA: As regards to Planned Parenthood, anyone who has watched this videotape, I dare, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes. Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking.


PERINO: OK. So if everybody could get past the comments about physical looks, Kimberly.


PERINO: It could be a really good discussion on Friday.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it could, and this is the point. I mean, she's obviously very bright and articulate. She's intellectual, she's a successful businesswoman and she's a strong candidate. So good for her, she's going to go there, she's gonna give The View a little bit of an education, I think. And when you have somebody who is like a comedian, like Michelle Collins, she's making jokes, I get it. So we don't want, you know, take away from that, but nevertheless there is the way to do it the right way. Especially, when you're being core -- true to your core principles by saying that you support women and you're against anybody who demeans women and puts them down, then leave it, show us.

KILMEADE: Do I hope we get to our point?


KILMEADE: That it doesn't matter that Ben -- we're not talking about Dr. Carson being black. We're not talking about Fiorina being a female. We're not talking about Hillary Clinton being a female. I hope we gets to a point now where it's not a novelty that a woman's running that we could just start homogenizing this whole thing.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.


GUILFOYLE: So you like the purple penguin thing where they call kids purple penguin and instead of boys and girls at school.

KILMEADE: But I think we're -- aren't we getting closer to that point now?


KILMEADE: I mean if (inaudible) pointed that out on Sunday, he's like, look, Ben Carson is just a doctor more than we're talking about an African- American leading the field which everyone was talking about when Barack Obama was leaving. I think we're getting closer.

WILLIAMS: We're getting closer, but we're not there. So I mean this maybe an ideal for you, but I'm saying the reality is Carly Fiorina -- I've been a big booster of her in my writing because I think it's so important for the GOP to have a woman play in that role, and not a woman who can be easily dismissed. No you know, I think oftentimes, what you saw previously were -- the idea was that republicans were putting women into position, simply.

PERINO: Do you want to throw yourself in front of his train, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah. Here's the deal. You mean a candidate that would be easily dismissed, not just a woman.

PERINO: First trying to help you. I would ask Eric something.

WILLIAMS: Yes, that was I'm saying, but let me finish.

GUILFOYLE: That was she meant.

WILLIAMS: Let me finish the thought. Carly Fiorina is in the arena, so she's gonna get some punches, right? And when she says, for instance, the thing about Planned Parenthood, it turns out there is no such tape, or when she says.

GUILFOYLE: That is not true.

WILLIAMS: Oh you know, 92 percent of the women -- people who lost jobs under Obama.


WILLIAMS: Are women.


WILLIAMS: And it turns out to be wrong, guess what, people are gonna shoot back.

KILMEADE: Right. How great is that, though, that she's.

PERINO: Let me ask Eric something to wrap this up. Do you think that when people question her background, in terms of her business background and her tenure in HP. If you were going to -- like if you're gonna watch The View on Friday, how do you think that they should handle her question -- the question about the economy and women because I think Carly Fiorina has really strong business background, but I think that they might try to attack her about her tenure at HP.

BOLLING: And I'm sure they will. Absolutely, because.

KILMEADE: And they are also qualified to attack her.


PERINO: Btu that's my point actually.

BOLLING: But looked at this way, they will and she should -- I think she's probably being prep on this for the debate stage. If she has been prep.

KILMEADE: Wipe the floor.

BOLLING: On the debate stage -- in preparation for the debates on these questions, she's ready to go with this stuff. Look, there is some -- there are some things thin her business background that she may not want to highlight too much of, so you take the question and you turn it. Look, I run a company with 50,000 employees, who else is here -- hey, Whoopi, have you -- hey Collins or whatever your name, have you ever done.


BOLLING: Whatever.


BOLLING: No. They haven't. So -- look, it's a debate trick, use it on The View on Friday.

KILMEADE: But here's the other thing, she's in the arena. She's in the game.


KILMEADE: She rose to the top, oh you didn't like me. You didn't like me. So what? I'm in the game. So I'm taking the slings and arrows, whoever will imagine what it would be like to be in that position.

BOLLING: I can only imagine if Dana or Kimberly made that comment about Hillary Clinton. The same that she.

PERINO: Well, that's my -- that was actually my point.

BOLLING: They would hope.

GUILFOYLE: They would never do that.

BOLLING: And then you go (inaudible) you know what?

PERINO: But we would.

BOLLING: Over you guys doing that.

PERINO: But here's the thing that Kimberly and I would never do that.




PERINO: We'll never -- and we will never do that.

GUILFOYLE: But we're campus.

PERINO: We would love to have Carly Fiorina right there.

GUILFOYLE: Yes she can, but we are campfire girls representing American women.


GUILFOYLE: Bluebird is the way to go.

KILMEADE: I will say this, Hillary Clinton was huge step back last week when she said, I guess I'm yelling, and that means because I'm a woman. I'm yelling and Bernie Sanders is a sexist. I thought that was a huge step back for women, don't you?

PERINO: I felt that like it was good that we're turning the corner on the new week, OK?

WILLIAMS: Yes, that's right.

PERINO: Monday. Welcome back.


WILLIAMS: And also, I think the two.

PERINO: We got to go, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I think Dana and Kimberly are brownies.


PERINO: No, we were not brownies. We were bluebirds, the campfire girls.

GUILFOYLE: Girls scouts.

PERINO: That's a fact.

GUILFOYLE: That was may have story, actually.

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: It was true.

KILMEADE: We don't know what's real.

PERINO: All right. We got to move on. With the media advice on full display on the last debate, the GOP candidates finally have something they agree on. That changes that has come for future debates, and we're gonna have that next for you on The Five.


GUILFOYLE: Representatives of more than a dozen, GOP presidential campaigns met this weekend to hash out how to take control of future debates, so they don't turn out like the last one.


TRUMP: Let's be honest.


TRUMP: Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

JOHN HARWOOD, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR CNBC: You give nearly twice as much of a gain in after tax income to the top 1 percent, as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you're the champion of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, don't you have that backward? The leading republican candidate, when you look at the national polls right now is Donald Trump. When you look at him, do you see someone with the moral authority to unite the country?



GUILFOYLE: I don't see someone with the capability to conduct a proper debate. How about that? The head of the RNC says his committee is in control of the effort to ensure there isn't a repeat.


REINCE PRIEBUS, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: We're involved. We're in control. We're setting the calendar the ability to sanction or desanction a debate is with the RNC. And the candidates want that to be with the RNC. We're going to make sure that we do is communicate with the candidates, listen to the candidates. Make sure that when there is unanimity among the candidates, we're going to fight for what the candidates want.


GUILFOYLE: Some candidates are demanding big changes, but others say leave it up to the RNC to handle.


CHRIS CHRISTIE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Stop complaining. You know, do me a favor. Set up a stage, put podiums up there and let's just go. Why are we spending time arguing and bickering about this? Let other people handle this. I'm a candidate for president of the United States.


GUILFOYLE: Already. And you see both of those gentlemen actually on Hannity tonight. So listen, this is obviously a big question that's going around. Who should be in charge? What are they going to do? Clean up the act, because now we've got some of the candidates uniting together with some little mixed messages, Dana.

PERINO: Well, so last night I was -- or last Wednesday night during a debate, I was on a plane on the way to Los Angeles, and the only two stations that I couldn't get at my TV station at my seat were CNBC and Fox News. So I was kind of going crazy.

GUILFOYLE: Demand it.

PERINO: Since then -- I was demanding it. I was beating the tray, but -- so I was following it on Twitter, OK? And I was thinking, wow, this must be really bad. Then, when I finally get to California and I'm seeing it -- I'm thinking, wow, the tone from the moderators in particular, so condescending. Now what I think is interesting is that the moderators actually help do something that the republicans have not been able to do, and that is to unite around something. And it's something that republican voters in the country have known about for a long time, and that is media bias exists, and it's something republican candidates have been factoring into their campaigns and so try to figure out a way to win. It was just something that even if it was as our press secretary, I would just say, OK well, it comes with the territory and you figure it out and try to deal with it. What's interesting now and I'm so excited about it is how much sort of creativity exists in republican or conservative leaning media today. There are so many different outlets, lots of different young talent in particular, all across the board that there is some room for new discussion about how to actually do debates. So I think that we're gonna still need to have these big debates, but you have additional ways for people to get information, and media bias is on full display and people know that it's there, and it's not a bad thing. This is just for all of these to be honest about it.

KILMEADE: Well, don't you think as a few things -- do you want to call on me, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: I was going to, eventually, but go ahead.

KILMEADE: All right. OK.

GUILFOYLE: Leapfrog.

KILMEADE: Few things that you said I think are pretty interesting. Number one is we remember the meat grinder the Mitt Romney went through. And in the ends, whether you like Mitt Romney or not, he was a damaged candidate by the time he was done. I don't fault his opponents at all. They had 25 debates. They wanted to win. Unlike Bernie Sanders just wants to be Hillary Clinton, just wants to be nice to her. So there guys want to win. So they're trying to find a way not to beat up on the other guy. That's why Kasich is holding back. Christie is holding back. Trump is not holding back, he's new to the process. So this is the way, they probably look at each other and go, why just try to win without killing each other because at the end, we might have a prayer of winning the general if we don't show our enemy all our weaknesses. So I think this is the first opportunity they have to do that. But Donald Trump might have blown it by saying that "I will negotiate these new debates from here on in because none of these other 11 guys will allow anybody to."

PERINO: For himself.

GUILFOYLE: For himself. Well yeah, that was news just in that he made that statement. You know, so Bolling, here's the challenge I think, too, for the RNC is because there's such disparate interests involved here. Depending if you're one of the other card candidates and you're trying to jump up for the 1 or 2 percent to get, you know, to the main stage, or you're someone who is already leading, ahead in the polls. Maybe you're somebody then who wants the debate to be a little bit shorter because you feel you like you are gonna get the talk time. You are being able to deliver your message.

BOLLING: So I think Dana nails it, that there is media bias, and what the RNC failed to do was to recognize the media bias and make sure it didn't affect the candidates. It's going from a debate what is suppose to be, to job -- two interviews. Not even job interviews. Hard hitting, you know, cheap shot interviews and that's not good for any of the candidates up there. In general, the media leans skews far left. So when you get a CNBC debate, it's NBC product, NBC management, it's going to skew left. And how what happens to goes from a debate to asking cheap, uncalled-for questions.

KILMEADE: You called that too.

BOLLING: Yeah, I did call it, but here's the problem. Going -- the RNC is the problem. The RNC should have said, you know, we want to know who the debate -- who the moderator is gonna be and have a say at who the moderator is going to be. Now the campaign say, you what RNC, you blew, we take care of this. Now, we'll decide whether we want to debate with the John Harwood next time, my guess is no. The RNC lost that power to do that. The candidates -- the debate -- the candidacies will try and take that. I don't think they're going to do it, though. I think a lot of the networks are gonna say, you're not going to tell us what we're going to do.

PERINO: I don't blame them.


BOLLING: I don't blame them either, but that's was a breakdown at the RNC level.


GUILFOYLE: No, but you're assuming. You're assuming that they have the ability and power to be able to dictate that coverage, and they don't.

BOLLING: Hold on. Think about this for one second, though. Where is the democrat debate on Fox? I've said this last week, I've said it two weeks, where is the democrat debate on Fox? The DNC says, no, we're not going to do it because they're afraid that the questions will be leaning skewed to the right, right? And there's no doubt that's why they would say no. So why wouldn't the RNC say you know what? NBC product, we're not going to do it. We're not gonna have it.

GUILFOYLE: But where are they gonna go, nowhere to Fox because we're the only ones that are fair and balanced.

KILMEADE: You got 26 million people watching.


PERINO: I don't think it was out of the realm of possibility.

BOLLING: Of fairly balance.


GUILFOYLE: We got to get Juan.

WILLIAMS: Let me just quickly say.

BOLLING: All right.

WILLIAMS: You want the RNC to control American media, that's.

BOLLING: You know I didn't say that, Juan.

WILLIAMS: You said that they should decide who does -- who moderates the debate. Look, there is a long standing at the back.


BOLLING: I don't think they should decide who they can say we don't want someone like Harwood.

WILLIAMS: OK. Let me just say, they should not be in that business. I don't think anybody wants them to be in that business. They should be, as you saw from the RNC, try to limit the number of debate, say who gets debate, where they take place and deliver the candidates. When you get into a situation, we're control the journalism, I think it paints a product.

KILMEADE: Ultimately, everyone's gonna be unhappy.

WILLIAMS: It's not good.


WILLIAMS: The thing that's interesting here to me is that there are divergent interests. Donald Trump is having a show. You don't have a debate right now in the republican side without Donald Trump. So Donald Trump is exactly right, and saying, I'll talk to the networks and I'll make just like he limited the CNBC debate to two hours, Donald Trump has that power. These are the.

KILMEADE: Who is Ben Carson?


WILLIAMS: Ben Carson -- not quite no. Not to the level of Donald Trump is the star of the show.

GUILFOYLE: And Carson is saying --suggesting that even running debates.

WILLIAMS: And then Carson, Cason put them on cable and stream them. But I think that the interesting.

KILMEADE: What is that?


WILLIAMS: I think it becomes after republican echo chamber at that point.


WILLIAMS: You know, and that's not healthy again to the party.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Juan. Well you have some interesting comments so far today.


GUILFOYLE: I'm not enraged yet by laws, all right. That was nice. But keep it tight.

Next, a law enforcement boycott of Quentin Tarantino's sounds gross. Wider up to the director referred to police as murderers out of rally last weekend. Plus, the Oscar winning actor who is actually defending Tarantino -- it's all coming up, right here on The Five.


KILMEADE: All right, (inaudible) thank you very much. Last weekend a cop- hating director Quentin Tarantino dispute this disgusting remark in an anti-police rally on Saturday.


QUENTIN TARANTINO, FILM DIRECTOR: I'm a human being with a conscience. And when I see murder, I cannot stand by and I have to call the murder to the murder and I have to call the murderers, the murderers.


KILMEADE: I can't follow that, but it sounds bad. Even his own cousin, a former officer nearly killed in the line of duty thinks he is a disgrace.


FRANK GUCCIARDI, QUENTIN TARANTINO'S NYPD COUSIN: It was terrible, disgraceful. I can't believe he made statements of that type. A man of his celebrity, instead of working to bring the community and the police close together, he separated them more than ever. He is a caused a terrible situation and made the police job much, much more difficult than it normally is.


KILMEADE: Who would wear that outfit on camera, by the way, but Tarantino does have this celebrity supporting him and jungle on chain superstar, Jamie Foxx.


JAMIE FOXX, ACTOR: I want to say this, Quentin Tarantino, you are boss. You are absolutely amazing. Keep speaking the truth, and keep telling the truth and don't worry about none of the haters. I'm going to let you know that right now.



KILMEADE: Well, he should worry because there are a lot of people very upset including the NYPD, the LAPD, the Chicago cops, (inaudible) cops, and Juan.

GUILFOYLE: Obedient.

KILMEADE: I don't -- you should boycott as his next movie coming on December, which probably Weinstein is produce -- distributing. And they are saying, friend and family, you do the same thing. This is impactful. Where is this going, do you fault any Fox for jumping in there?

WILLIAMS: Well, he says he's going to apologize, but the thing is. I --

KILMEADE: Who says he's going to apologize?

WILLIAMS: Tarantino.


GUILFOYLE: Well, he's going to make a statement.

WILLIAMS: Why is he going to apologize? I think it's because of Harvey Wein-stine, who is distributing the film and who is...

GUILFOYLE: Weinstein.

WILLIAMS: Weinstein?


WILLIAMS: Weinstein.


WILLIAMS: Who worries that there will be a boycott and that it could damage the box office for this new movie, whatever it's about, "The Hateful Eight."

So I don't know that it's a sincere apology. I think he's now under a lot of pressure now to correct what he said. And by the way, the idea that Jamie Foxx -- that Jamie Foxx was speaking to, I'm not sure about Jamie Foxx endorsing what he said, so much as saying that an artist should be able to speak out.

KILMEADE: Really? Is that what you got out of that?

WILLIAMS: I think it might...

KILMEADE: Is that really what you got out of that?

WILLIAMS: I don't know what Jamie Foxx is...

KILMEADE: It seemed to me it was like, "More power to ya." He's like, "I got your back."

WILLIAMS: The artist should speak. The artist should not be inhibited.

KILMEADE: If he wanted to do that, he'd go, "Juan, I don't agree with what you said, but I agree with the opinion (ph) you get to put forward."

WILLIAMS: Did you hear him say -- did you hear him say that cops were murderers? I didn't hear Jamie Foxx say anything like that.

PERINO: He says keep telling the truth.

WILLIAMS: Right. That's what he said, so that's why I think it was...

PERINO: Truth about what?

BOLLING: What? Are we live?


GUILFOYLE: Is this a real show? Can you imagine Juan in the debate? He's like, "Yes, that's right." No, no, no. You just got leg slapped, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I thought I was going to get piled on.

KILMEADE: Eric, you're conceding or bored? I'm not sure.

GUILFOYLE: He's doodling.

BOLLING: Look, I think Juan is right, that once Weinstein said, "What are you doing here," and they started seeing the box office concern, he said, "Uh-oh, let's see if we can fix this."

Jamie Foxx comes to the rescue and says, "Hey, let an artist be an artist," but I think Greg nailed it last week. He said, with "Django in Chains," that Quentin Tarantino directed -- I guess he may have written part, as well -- the big controversy about the "N" word being used constantly.

GUILFOYLE: That Spike Lee criticized. He's trying to rebuild his character.

BOLLING: Americans are saying it's a terrible movie to be made. Tarantino shouldn't have done that, and this is Quentin Tarantino getting some street cred back. I think Greg nailed it on that.

GUILFOYLE: Possibly.

BOLLING: Will that be enough?

KILMEADE: You're a manager of crisis management. If we're all knowing that he's being put up to an apology, it's not going to work. It's certainly not going to stop the policemen.

PERINO: The damage -- the damage is already done, but I think it's great that the police have the ability to actually have this kind of an impact. They're saying boycott, and I think that a lot of the cops would boycott, their families would boycott. And...

KILMEADE: Friends.

PERINO: ... I think, of course, the movie producers are thinking, "OK, great, we're just going to basically watch a whole lot of money got flushed down the drain," and they might not agree with him.


PERINO: Imagine that.

KILMEADE: And can you imagine this? If you want to shoot a move in Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia or New York, who's going to work security for him? "The Hateful Eight" comes out in December, and Harvey Weinstein, we're going to see how much power he has.

GUILFOYLE: It also will be interesting. This is, like, very uniform across the board, that police officers are very upset. A thousand police unit associations and over 241,000 sworn law enforcement officers. It's troubling.

KILMEADE: Listen to this. Tonight the dad, Quentin Tarantino's biological father, is going to be on "Hannity." It's just -- the interview is just completed. We have a clip of it. Here's a preview.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it's not him I'm criticizing. It's his actions and the things that he had to say on the spur of the moment without taking the time to really think about what he's doing. He didn't look at both sides of the story. I'm here, not just because I'm his biological father, but because of being a concerned citizen for what's right in our communities today.


KILMEADE: By the way, he doesn't really have a relationship, Kimberly, with his father, and he never met his cousin. So these are Tarantinos...

GUILFOYLE: Nevertheless -- also, this just in. So Pat Rosen (ph), retired NYPD detective and another officer have offered, extended a formal letter to bring Quentin Tarantino on a ride-along in the 46th Precinct...

PERINO: Outrageous.

GUILFOYLE: ... which is a very dangerous area, yes, in New York. To educate him, to help him to understand exactly what's going on and how they put it on the line every day, day in and day out. That these are human beings who deserve our respect and our thanks.

KILMEADE: Here's the thing, though. This is unbelievable, because three days prior to this event, an African-American man who was actually born in Ghana was gunned down trying to stop somebody from stealing a bicycle. Shot between the eyes.


KILMEADE: That's all you've got?


WILLIAMS: Two different countries. Two different countries. I will say this. I like...

GUILFOYLE: Another minority officer.

WILLIAMS: I will say this, though. Whether he has a relationship with the dad or not, you know what? There was a lot to what the dad had to say. He could bring Tarantino, with his celebrity, bring the police, the community -- he could be a healing force. And...

PERINO: I don't think he deserves to be.

WILLIAMS: ... he was instead, I think, playing to the...

PERINO: Why should he -- why should he -- I don't think he deserves a pass on it. I don't think that when his dad said, well, he didn't know that -- he didn't look at both sides, he didn't know what he was going to. Like, if you're going to a protest and you get up to a lectern and you are Quentin Tarantino, you know exactly where you're going.

KILMEADE: I flew 3,000 miles by mistake and turned up at a protest.

BOLLING: Hold on, hold on. He was also one of the organizers of the protest.


BOLLING: He had an opportunity to say, "This thing is off. I have a gazillion dollars. Sorry. I'll take care of everyone's flight home. Good bye. Home."

KILMEADE: I'll tell you what, folks. My final opinion, this ended on a high. I mean, I saw in the beginning, we started off slow. I think we ended up very strong. You should all be proud of yourselves.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, the segment?

PERINO: The segment?

KILMEADE: The segment.

GUILFOYLE: You want to come back?

KILMEADE: I want to see if the next letter will be as good as my letter.

BOLLING: How many minutes before the top of the hour?

KILMEADE: Twenty-five minutes before the top of the hour.

Straight ahead, should employers be able to ask a job applicant whether they've ever served time in jail? The president is hoping to make it easier for former prisoners to get work. We're going to tell you what he's asking some employers to do for them. That story coming your way.



WILLIAMS: A short while ago, President Obama announced a series of measures designed to help former prisoners reenter society. Among them, an executive order directing federal employers to delay asking questions about a job applicant's criminal past.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm taking action to ban the box. On many job applications there's a box that asks if you have a criminal record? If you answer yes, then a lot of times you're not getting a call back.

Federal government, I believe, should not use criminal history to screen out applicants before we even look at their qualifications. We can't dismiss people out of hand simply because of a mistake that they made in the past.



WILLIAMS: So let me turn to the prosecutor.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, yes.

WILLIAMS: Now let me ask you about this.

GUILFOYLE: Bad idea.

WILLIAMS: Because you've got 6,000 -- you know, the Sentencing Commission is going to release 6,000, they say, non-violent drug offenders from prison. It's a wave of people. The president points out two-thirds of people who are released from prison are back in prison within three years.


WILLIAMS: So what...

GUILFOYLE: He's obviously saying that part of the problem is people engaging in recidivism and career criminals is because they are unable to successfully enter the job market to do better for themselves.

However, is it the responsibility of employers, then, to just blindly take someone without knowing what their background is. It's like saying you don't need to know my background that I've worked in television. We'll leave that off. It's part of the decision-making process, to understand who and what the person and their background is.

WILLIAMS: Is that -- hang on a second. I thought that he was simply saying that you wouldn't put a box on the initial application.

GUILFOYLE: He's saying that. I know.

WILLIAMS: And later you could talk about -- you can ask questions about it.

GUILFOYLE: Right. He's saying -- I heard him. So that specifically you can get to their qualifications and then make a decision later on. But maybe you're excluding other people, that if there was a toss-up between the two and you're like, well, depending on the crime -- you have to understand something, though. You're putting also employers in a position -- are they going to then -- is the federal government going to indemnify employees if somebody gets a job and then commits an act -- a crime or moral turpitude or theft? Then who's going to offset the cost there and the loss of productivity and rehire, et cetera, et cetera?

WILLIAMS: Wait. But what I -- wait, wait. What I was saying was the employer can still look at your background, but it's just that initially they wouldn't say, "Oh, this guy is an ex-con. I don't want to even talk about this person.:

KILMEADE: I'm torn with this. I really feel -- I see in my mind somebody who made a bad mistake at 18. I don't know what their family situation was, and they're now 29 years old, and they're saying, "I just did drugs." Or "I was selling drugs. I got with a bad crowd." And they want a second chance. That's what America's about.


KILMEADE: And they're stuck. They want to go out and get a job, but everyone says, "I'm not going to take a risk. I've got a small restaurant. If you end up stealing from me, I go out of business."


KILMEADE: So you're in an impossible situation.

I think the more we can get one-on-one and meet them, because I've seen in the back of my mind that officer from Guyana who got shot by a guy that was just a drug offender. They didn't see far enough in his background to see he was a violent drug offender. I worry about that. But at the same time, I have sympathy for the person that wants a shot at life that is just rotting behind bars.

GUILFOYLE: Fair and balanced.

WILLIAMS: Yes, that's fair. But Dana, you know, one of the other things is, you can't even get public assistance. You can't get housing. So are we making it hard to actually get on the straight and narrow path?

PERINO: Yes, and I think that from the president's point of view, I think what he's saying is that a two-year sentence that you might have deserved does not need to become a life sentence.

So they're looking to say, OK, can we ask federal contractors -- this is not all employers yet -- OK, that's the beginning.


PERINO: Can you at least think about -- are you willing to talk to somebody who's just gotten out of jail to see if they can maybe get to the next step in your process, and then you might want to eliminate them. But I think that he's trying to say, can we just at least give them one shot at it?

I can see the compassionate need for it. I also can see the concern about possible recidivism. But it's not going to be a perfect program, but I think it's one worth trying.

WILLIAMS: So Eric, give me the other side.

BOLLING: I'll give you the other side. Thank God it's just the federal employees right now.


BOLLING: And it's not a mandate, which everything seems to become a mandate.

GUILFOYLE: But this is a test. It starts out here, and it creeps, just like mission creep.

BOLLING: It's a weather balloon to find out -- if they like the program, they'll make it a mandate. They'll make it some sort of, you know, rights for -- to get housing.

KILMEADE: Criminal's rights.

BOLLING: Yes, it's insane. Thank God right now it's just this -- it's got -- it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Anyone who's ever hired someone wants to know who you're hiring. Especially if some lives are at stake, if you're using heavy equipment around someone who may have a severe drug past or a severe...

WILLIAMS: You can discover these things. Remember, it was just the initial application.

BOLLING: No, I understand that. But why not -- why not allow an employer to lead into a path of discovery that you would want?

GUILFOYLE: To have the most information accessible and possible. It saves time. I mean, this is...

WILLIAMS: All right. So you know what?

GUILFOYLE: ... to allow...

WILLIAMS: This -- this is a real discussion, but I think the American family has to deal with this somehow. So I'm really glad...

KILMEADE: There's a bipartisan push to find an answer here.

WILLIAMS: Right. There is. There is.

OK. Some are calling it "South Park's" best season ever...


WILLIAMS: ... in the last decade. So we'll show you some of the politically incorrect material that's getting rave reviews from Season 19, straight ahead.



BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five." You know that PC politically-correct culture is crushing free speech in America, but people are getting sick of it, and maybe that's why a candidate who isn't afraid to say what many of us are thinking is leading in the polls in the race for the White House.

The Comedy Central show "South Park" has always ignored the PC rules. They joke about Bill Cosby, Caitlyn Jenner, liberal academia and Hollywood hypocrites. There are too many to name. All with a good laugh, the best way to do it. This week National Review noted that "South Park" is taking on the social justice warriors and winning.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Listen up. My name's PC Principal. I don't know about you, but frankly I'm sick and tired of how minority groups are marginalized in today's society. I Googled "South Park" before I came here, and I cannot believe the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you're getting away with. People claiming to be advocates of transgender rights, but really just want to use the women's bathroom. A white man who thinks he's Chinese and built a China wall to keep out Mongolians. Like it or not, PC is back, and it's bigger than ever. Woo-woo-woo!


BOLLING: All right. We got you, South Parkers. You're taking on the PC fools, but let's see how on it you really are.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone's preaching openness and acceptance, and now millions of (EXPLETIVE DELETED) immigrants are coming over the border; and nobody seems to care.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But what are we going to do? In today's world, it's like you can't even say anything negative about illegal immigrants.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Woo, woo, woo, woo! Did somebody over here say "illegal immigrants"? Because the correct term is undocumented immigrants, all right, bra?


BOLLING: Bra. Right, bra?

I love these guys. Trey Parker and Matt Stone have been doing this for 19 seasons and finally giving the media the respect they deserve.

GUILFOYLE: Very funny. He's very talented. And by the way, good, have a sense of humor, because it seems some of the liberals and the PC maniacs do not. They do not have a sense of humor. But this is what's happening. It's becoming ridiculous. Everything's microaggressions and safe places. I mean, it's so much to keep up with, it's exhausting.

BOLLING: Your thoughts? You're laughing.

PERINO: I love that because, you know, it's based in Colorado, which I love. And I've loved this show for years, and I'm glad that they are getting some good recognition.

GUILFOYLE: Dana was an early adopter.


KILMEADE: Right. My contribution is this. If this is out and accepted, I think it's time to bring back a modern-day "All in the Family" and "The Jeffersons."

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

KILMEADE: We used to laugh at Sammy Davis Jr. kissing an outrageous -- outraged Archie Bunker. Those were the days. Maybe they're going to bring us back there.

GUILFOYLE: You just ended your career.

BOLLING: Was this a microaggression or a macroaggression, listening to "South Park," or just have some fun with race and immigration?

WILLIAMS: I think it's terrific fun. And you know what? I think this is a trend. And it's not just on the right. I don't know. I would never call "South Park" a conservative show.

But I saw a liberal show over the weekend, Bill Maher's show, and Bill Maher was going off on some Democratic congresswoman...


WILLIAMS: ... about the president refusing to talk about Muslim extremism. So I'm thinking, "Wait a minute. There are a lot of people here who are saying, "Let's be straight with each other. Let's have a conversation."

BOLLING: And you're that way?

WILLIAMS: Well, you know...

BOLLING: I'm just trying to figure out the Washington Redskins had a bye week this week.

PERINO: You can't say it. You can't say it.

WILLIAMS: That is not politically correct.

BOLLING: Is it not?

WILLIAMS: Not politically correct.

KILMEADE: You could say, "bye." You could say, "bye." We don't have a problem with that.

GUILFOYLE: Not yet. By Thursday, it will be banned, too.

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, seriously, you can say -- if I said something insulting to you intentionally, you wouldn't say, Juan, that's politically correct. Or politically incorrect.

BOLLING: Yes, you would.

KILMEADE: And someone else would hear it, and they would right it in Mediaite.

BOLLING: Call them the Skins.

WILLIAMS: But that's a short for the whole offensive -- I can't even say it.

PERINO: I love how you try to get him to say that.

GUILFOYLE: Now you're making me depressed. You brought up sports. Bad weekend for New York. Jets, disaster, all of it.

WILLIAMS: That was the greatest football game. That was a terrific football game.

KILMEADE: If you -- if your name was Drew Brees.

WILLIAMS: Are you kidding? Your quarterback, Eli Manning, had a fabulous game.

BOLLING: Six touchdowns.

KILMEADE: If the Giants lose, we're done.

GUILFOYLE: You know what it is? It's bad coaching. Hello. You know who you are.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

KILMEADE: Are you talking to Chris Berman?

BOLLING: It's Jason Pierpaul blows his fingers off, and there's no pass rush for the Giants. That's exactly what it is. That's what it is. But he's got a few left, and he's going to use those fingers...

GUILFOYLE: How about -- yes, every quarterback, even the backup, were injured.

BOLLING: "One More Thing" up next.

GUILFOYLE: Disaster.


PERINO: Time more -- for "One More Thing." Kimberly is freezing so we've got to hurry it up.

BOLLING: She's going to leave before it's over?

GUILFOYLE: I'm worth it. Yes.

All right. So here's the deal. Somebody who I admire tremendously as a man, as an actor, as a politician that I had the privilege to work with here at FOX News is Fred Thompson.

And the former U.S. senator for Tennessee died last night after a recurrence of lymphoma. And he was 73 years young. He was first diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma more than a decade ago, and there he is right now with me on with him, and he was just a pleasure to be around. Such an interesting person.

He was one of the main investigators also on Watergate, and that's when he made his kind of name and reputation for being tenacious. His wife, Jeri, very nice, and his children, the whole family is going to miss him, and the FOX family here. Wonderful person, a great American.

And also, I'm on "Hannity" tonight at 10.

PERINO: Indeed. All right. Over the weekend I got to go home to Colorado. I got to see my dad. This is my dad and my sister and I in Denver, Colorado, outside the Moonlight Diner where they had the kitchen sink. Kimberly would have had that, believe me.


PERINO: This is my mom and me. She's now on Instagram. You can follow her, @JanBirdy, if you want.

Then we were outside my sister's house. My sister was a skeleton with a Broncos cap on. That was the whole family.

KILMEADE: A Halloween celebration for you.

PERINO: It was really fun.

Then tonight I talked about the Peggy Noonan book that's coming out. It's called "The Time of Our Lives." She's going to be with "The Kelly File" tonight. Her first cable interview will be tonight at 9 p.m.

KILMEADE: And then "FOX & Friends" tomorrow.

PERINO: Yes, I mean, it's just like a whole plethora of things. Eric is next.

BOLLING: Great pictures, Dana.

BOLLING: All right. So I posted on my Facebook page once a huge flag I put on -- in front of the beach house. I don't have that picture, but look what Laura Rabinowitz made.

GUILFOYLE: What a beautiful pillow, my god.

BOLLING: A cross-stitch.

GUILFOYLE: That's not easy.

BOLLING: A cross-stitch. That's the picture of the flag that we put in front of the beach house right there.

PERINO: That's a lot of effort.

BOLLING: Amazing. A lot of effort. Thank you, Laura.

GUILFOYLE: A lot of those would sell. Gorgeous.

PERINO: It's beautiful.

GUILFOYLE: It's so well made. Look at all the details.

PERINO: You can replace your little pad that you're sitting on over there. Juan, you're next.

WILLIAMS: Well, they turned the clock back and we're surround -- you know, normally here at this table I'm surrounded by hobgoblins and demons, but this weekend...


WILLIAMS: ... I was surrounded by grandchildren in the woods. Here they are. There's Pepper, Wesley and, of course, Elias having fun. But...


WILLIAMS: ... it was Halloween weekend, so they were a butterfly, a princess and a ninja. Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: Do you give out good candy?

WILLIAMS: Yes. Yes, they do. There's momma Reagan with Wesley, taking off her makeup, putting them to bed. I'll tell you, that neighborhood was so much fun this weekend.

GUILFOYLE: How nice. You really enjoy being a grandfather.

PERINO: Now Brian Kilmeade, you have news?

KILMEADE: Yes. Tomorrow, my book is out, "Thomas Jefferson: The Tripoli Pirates." I hope everyone goes and gets it. It's a great American story, and I think you'll be surprised on how many great Americans lived in the time between the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War and what we accomplished in that time. Thomas Jefferson said, "Go fight the fight" but the fight is the thing that's really amazing. It's the same fight...

PERINO: Can I compliment it?

KILMEADE: ... we're in -- same fight we're in right now with Islamic extremism.

PERINO: When I read it, I felt like it was my best, most favorite history class.

KILMEADE: Get out of here.

PERINO: It's really good. All right. That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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