This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 12, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Meghan McCain -- "The Five."
What would I ask Hillary at Tuesday's debate tomorrow? First, if racism is truly America's original sin as you just tweeted, why are so many black and brown people risking their lives to come here? Can you explain how, even at our worst, we are still the best? And do you ever worry that pandering to factions only divides an already fractured country?
Now I bet you haven't watched the Planned Parenthood videos. Did you also choose not to look at the Abu Ghraib photos or the devastation after the Hurricane Katrina? Also, please tell us, as a grandmother, the impact Planned Parenthood didn't have on you.
Given the massive hacking of government employees that hurt millions, what is the biggest threat to our national security? And feel free to name yourself. For is it nuts to put a secretary of state in charge that exposed classified info and names of CIA operatives on personal e-mail in an era of cyber espionage? That's like hiring Meghan McCain to guard your liquor cabinet.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh, no.
GUTFELD: Now biotechnology, now part of the weaponry used to attack America by non-state actors, how do you fight this threat? As globally networked systems expand, what's your solution for cyber attackers focusing on zero day vulnerabilities?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: It is a magical laugh.
Anyway, you also said that women have a right to be believed. Why not prove it and hire Monica, a woman you yourself called a Looney Tune when people were doubting her facts. And speaking of facts, which pushed the damn video? Please, can't you answer that question just once honestly? It's been three years. Who pushed the video?
Well, I figured.
All right, let's go around the horn here, Meghan. If you were a moderator and you had Hillary up there, what would you want to ask her or expand upon?
MEGHAN MCCAIN, GUEST CO-HOST: I would want to know why you are treating women like a special interest group. And I would ask her, have you seen the Planned Parenthood videos in their entirety, because I don't believe she has, because I don't believe any woman who has seen those videos in their entirety would still feel the way she feels about them.
GUTFELD: Yeah, I think she's in denial. She would feel -- she doesn't have to judge if she doesn't look at them, right? I think, I think that's the way it is.
MCCAIN: I know. She's definitely not seen it.
GUTFELD: Eric, your hair looks great, by the way.
GUTFELD: It's amazing.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: You think so?
GUTFELD: I think so.
BOLLING: Or they told you to say that.
GUTFELD: No, no. It doesn't.
BOLLING: You said it a way down, like for it is not even done yet.
GUTFELD: No, it's fantastic.
GUILFOYLE: It's like a little James Dean.
GUTFELD: Yeah, no. No, it is James Dean.
GUTFELD: Yes, it is.
GUILFOYLE: Nailed it.
GUTFELD: OK, sorry, off topic.
BOLLING: What would you ask the democrat candidates at the debate tomorrow night? Three, I have three. Very quick, I'll blow through.
BOLLING: A computer (ph) for yourself why. First one, do all lives matter? Like all of them answer that one.
BOLLING: Number two, explain how a free ID card to vote is onerous, but a gun license expanded -- expansive gun licenses are not owners, both of those are protected rights in the constitution. And number three, would you ask a Muslim, a Mormon or a Christian to that -- to state and believe and honor the constitution about whatever personal religious you ascribe to?
GUTFELD: Those are three great questions.
BOLLING: Thank you.
GUILFOYLE: I think they are all get.
GUTFELD: You should be moderating this debate.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Yes, yes. I would ask her how quickly she can get on the plane to the Middle East and jump in around Syria or Iraq and do one of her shrieking laughs to make like the eyes and ears of ISIS bleed out.
GUTFELD: That will be.
GUILFOYLE: I think that she's our very own secret weapon of mass destruction.
GUILFOYLE: And why aren't we using her?
GUTFELD: her laugh is like a neutron bomb, every dies, but the buildings just stay. It's incredible.
GUILFOYLE: And the cockroaches.
GUTFELD: Yes, the cockroaches.
GUILFOYLE: They'll live. Then I would ask her about Sidney Blumenthal and whether or not she gave information of CIA operatives, the names of any of these operations in the field back and forth on the -- well I think it's a very good question.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Yeah, she gave the CIA -- she gave a name to CIA operatives to our enemy. Is that what you saying?
GUILFOYLE: To Sidney Blumenthal, in e-mails correspondent back and forth.
WILLIAMS: I see. I see. I see.
GUILFOYLE: Because she's actually advising her.
GUTFELD: No, that's (inaudible) among agents.
WILLIAMS: Of course.
GUTFELD: You never use real names.
WILLIAMS: Well, yeah. Why would you?
GUTFELD: But he did.
WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying. I just think it's kind of -- I mean, I don't, I don't get it. I don't like question.
GUTFELD: Yeah. Do you have some questions you would like to ask her, Juan?
GUILFOYLE: Then about her medical condition actually, and her health and whether or not she would be able to serve as commander-in-chief because there's actually.
MCCAIN: That's interesting. It's that like the question no one is asking.
MCCAIN: For whatever reason.
GUTFELD: It can't because it's.
MCCAIN: It's taboo and off the table.
GUTFELD: It's seen as like kind of mean, if you ask about somebody's health.
MCCAIN: Or sexist.
MCCAIN: Sexist, I mean.
MCCAIN: Obviously not.
GUILFOYLE: I think it's an important question. It's relevant, it's one that should be considered as whether or not that she is fit and able to serve.
MCCAIN: People had no problem asking my father, right?
GUILFOYLE: Right. That's what I'm going to say.
MCCAIN: All day long, by the way.
GUILFOYLE: They asked Senator McCain when he was running and there were questions about his health, about his longevity, how he is gonna be able to serve, and it became an issue. So if you were going to ask that, of Senator McCain, then it should be asked of the Secretary of State Clinton.
BOLLING: And Bernie Sanders.
GUTFELD: let me ask you about split ends.
GUTFELD: Yes, his hairs everywhere, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Well -- so I'm gonna just join in the company here and ask tough questions. And the toughest question, I think, would have to do with the fact that she's flip-flopped recently on TPP.
WILLIAMS: On the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal. And where she said it was, oh yeah, this is gonna -- that's when he open up markets to the U.S., it's going to counter China as influence in Asia. Now she says, form what she knows is not a good deal. Well, gee, that's a big flip.
WILLIAMS: And I think Bernie Sanders is going to mention this, too. But the biggest question I would have for her comes to an issue that for me, it's just so central. She now has the endorsement of the National Education Association and the AFP, the two big teachers unions. Both of them are opposed to school reform efforts and specific, when it comes to charter school vouchers and the like. So is this mean that Hillary -- and believe me, this is Obama administration policies to promote charters schools and the like. So is this mean that Hillary Clinton now is opposing Obama? And opposing so much, in terms of school reform efforts that I think are maybe the civil rights issue of our generation?
WILLIAMS: That's what I -- that's where I would go.
GUTFELD: That's was quite substantive.
GUILFOYLE: I like it Juan.
GUTFELD: Thank you, Juan. Speaking of Obama, he had something to say about.
GUILFOYLE: One point.
GUTFELD: Hillary -- I think it was 60 Minutes, about the e-mail scandal situation. Let's roll that Sven (ph).
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: I don't think it's for the national security problem, I think that it was a mistake that she's acknowledged. And, you know, as a general proposition, when we're in these offices, we have to be more sensitive and stay as far away from a line as possible when it comes to how we handle information. I do think that the way it's been ginned up is in part because of politics.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Is he as -- the leader -- head of executive branch supposed to be commenting on investigations? Shouldn't he have just said, "I can't comment on an ongoing investigation?" Or is he above that?
GUILFOYLE: Well, listen. He probably could have been a pass and said that, but he chose to answer it.
GUILFOYLE: You know, and so he's saying, on one hand he's kind has her back that not really as well because he's saying, well, they're doing the investigation to just in perhaps that it's political, but it wouldn't be appropriate to do, but he's unsure about it. I think he should stay away from it. I'm happy he answered to put something on the record.
GUILFOYLE: But nevertheless, to help him.
GUTFELD: Eric, did he help her or hurt her?
BOLLING: I think he destroyed her.
BOLLING: I think.
MCCAIN: I totally agree.
BOLLING: He threw her right under the bus because when Kroft asked the question -- by the way, Steve Kroft did a great job with that interview -- for a change. When he asked the question, he's right for -- first word, no, I didn't know. I didn't know because at first, Hillary Clinton had said that they knew what was going on. He just said right in front, I didn't -- they -- we didn't know what she did was wrong. She already apologized for it. Later on he gets to, hey, but there's nothing to.
BOLLING: There's nothing to see here.
BOLLING: But I will tell you -- I was shocked. He went that forceful right off the bat with -- at her.
MCCAIN: But -- for people who love political theater, I love that he is so not covering for her at all.
MCCAIN: He just throwing her under the bus, he's like, I worked with her, none of this is my problem. And as a republican, it's fantastic to see democrats in fighting for a change.
WILLIAMS: But you guys have missed the story.
GUILFOYLE: And that helped Biden, by the way, I think.
WILLIAMS: Because right from the start, the Obama administration said, this is policy. You're not -- a cabinet official is not supposed to have their own private e-mail account, so that's been on the record. (inaudible) said, you know, Obama's top advisor that this about two weeks ago, same thing. (inaudible) like he was. And now you have Obama says, but the key thing.
BOLLING: She, at one point said, they knew about it, the Obama administration knew about it.
WILLIAMS: No, no, she said, people realize that she -- gets eventually that she.
BOLLING: She said he did.
WILLIAMS: No, she said he didn't, but I just.
MCCAIN: This is not happening to talk about Joe Biden, if there were a question.
MCCAIN; About Joe Biden is doing anything.
GUTFELD: That's the clue.
MCCAIN: I'm sorry.
GUILFOYLE: I think it helps Biden.
GUTFELD: That could be -- that's the clue, maybe he knows something.
MCCAIN: That Joe Biden might be getting into the race.
WILLIAMS: It is no, because look -- because I mean, I think, given what he said about this is ginned up and all about politics, I think that's what's gets hurts. Now you may have hear something else, you know from your perspective, but I think what -- especially democrats heard was, yeah, this is just politics. This is a republican mud flame.
MCCAIN: This is not like psychology test of how you interpret the interview. This is not how a president should talk about one of his closest advisers and a secretary of state that works for him for how long. I'm not interpreting this different way, I think most people see that he's not defending her, throwing her under the bus and I'm entertain with popcorn again.
GUILFOYLE: He just cleared the path blame for Joe Biden.
WILLIAMS: I don't think so.
GUILFOYLE: That's what happening.
WILLIAMS: I think he was honest.
GUTFELD: But also it could -- it was a mistake.
GUILFOYLE: OK. And it helps Joe.
GUTFELD: But the mistake is not intentional. What she did was intentional. If that was unintentional, so was like the space program.
MCCAIN: Nothing is unintentional with President Obama.
MCCAIN: He's getting.
MCCAIN: Focus group as breakfast.
GUTFELD: Yeah, it's true and it's a healthy one.
GUTFELD: Hey, there's a new ad.
GUTFELD: Republicans made a new ad capitalizing on the e-mail scandal. Let's roll that one -- Sven (ph).
GUILFOYLE: Sven (ph).
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The federal government watchdog has determined there was classified information.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It did, in fact, contain classified information.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a total lack of accountability. It's like my problems have nothing to do with me, they have to do with the republicans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're playing it up like a partisan witch hunt.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Eric, this is pretty straightforward. This -- I mean, the American public, if they're not paying attention now, I think that's going to grab them.
BOLLING: Yeah, so now we know that she named the CIA operative. She named him, she outed him. I guess he was in Libya? He's -- whatever, in a hot spot.
BOLLING: With a civil war going on. That's clearly classified. She clearly knew that it was classified. The question is why did she spend the better part of two years, saying that she didn't know any classified material? What do we not know of the 30,000 so e-mails that she's already scrubbed? What's in no?
GUILFOYLE: But that's why her numbers are in the tank.
GUILFOYLE: In terms of whether or not the American people think that she's honest or trustworthy. They resoundingly do not.
MCCAIN: She was 10 points in a week.
MCCAIN: Ten points, 30 percent of women she's dropped since July. She's got a major problem and I love that's bleeding the women's vote as much as she is right now. But I think the American public knows they can't trust her. And I think people also know that she's Queen Hillary, we're not just gonna night here up into the White House. I can see you rolling your eyes, Juan.
GUILFOYLE: No, but he.
WILLIAMS: I love this stuff because I just listen as -- but I mean, you're right. She has dropped those 10 points. And you're right, a lot of women apparently.
MCCAIN: Thirty percent.
WILLIAMS: Especially, independent. But the -- is the fact is, even in his latest polling, your word is just talking about one poll here, the latest Yahoo poll. She's still up 10-plus on any other democrat, right? So it's not like its even close, but the fact is she just doesn't have a substantial leader she enjoyed previously.
MCCAIN: Yes, because they have the momentum. People aren't excited about Hillary Clinton right now, which I think is the real problem. And Bernie Sanders, as much as they think he looks like the crazy professor from Ivy League School. He does have a lot of momentum with hipster.
BOLLING: Isn't it great, there are 15 candidates on the GOP side?
BOLLING: And you've got the choice between Hillary, who you can't trust and Bernie Sanders.
MCCAIN: And by the way, which Bernie has to say.
MCCAIN: But don't forget Lincoln Chaffee.
GUTFELD: Who's gonna change the metro because.
GUILFOYLE: And O'Malley.
GUTFELD: Can I make a prediction.
GUTFELD: I think Jim Webb is the sleeper here, because he's the only one that's normal. Correct?
BOLLING: Ish (ph).
MCCAIN: No. Marco Rubio.
BOLLING: Carmelish (ph).
MCCAIN: No. What are you talking about?
GUTFELD: On the democrats.
MCCAIN: I've had.
GUTFELD: And I used to -- I mean, look. He's a war hero. He got the Navy Cross, senator, worked under Reagan.
WILLIAMS: You know what.
WILLIAMS: You know what's the problem with you? You just don't like metrics.
GUTFELD: I know.
WILLIAMS: That's the problem.
GUTFELD: I don't like the metrics (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: That's why you don't like Chaffee because he is normal, but except for the metrics thing.
GUTFELD: No. I'm talking about Jim Webb.
WILLIAMS: I know.
GUTFELD: That's Lincoln Chafee.
WILLIAMS: Well, as I saying, because you have said nobody is normal except for Jim Webb.
GUTFELD: I don't know.
MCCAIN: Well, maybe Martin O'Malley can bring his guitar on stage and then I wouldn't have to drink nine Red Bulls to pretend to be interested on what they are talking about.
WILLIAMS: Well maybe Jim Webb can bring guns.
WILLIAMS: He likes bringing guns into places.
GUTFELD: Oh, really?
GUTFELD: Even better.
All right, coming up, while defending his lackluster strategy in Syria, President Obama reveals what his definition of leadership really is, next on The Five.
GUILFOYLE: But when it comes to world leadership, President Obama can't hide his disdain for people who compare him to Russian President Vladimir Putin. In an interview with 60 Minutes last night, Obama defended his Syria strategy, while taking a swipe at Putin. And he also shed some light on what his idea of world leadership really is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: If you think that running your economy into the ground and having to send troops then, in order to prop up, your only ally is leadership then, we've got a different definition of leadership. My definition of leadership would be leading on climate change and international accord, with potential we're getting pairs (ph).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: This is a debacle. America is in big trouble if that's his idea of leadership. Eric, you thought you heard wrong, but yes, it's a crying shame.
BOLLING: I kind of stocked there. He said that because Kroft is going after on him. What's going on in Syria?
BOLLING: First of all, President Obama looked like a dear in headlights. I mean, I'm not kidding. He had no.
BOLLING: He had nowhere to go with it. He couldn't defend his action, he couldn't defend his non-action. I was expecting to say look, we don't want to get involved because there was no winning here. He couldn't even do that. First he said it was -- they were against Assad. What he did say was that the $500 million program that we -- taxpayers paid $500 million to -- they get five fighters to fight ISIS, was never his idea in the first place.
GUTFELD: Of course.
BOLLING: He was circling the airport for 15 minutes with Kroft. And then, he says real leadership is climate change.
BOLLING: I don't know.
GUILFOYLE: He was.
BOLLING: Who thought this thing is gonna be good idea to do this interview right now, but that person should be fired.
BOLLING: Because he looked terrible. And by the way, one quick question. So during this interview, I'm listening, and he is talking about how we need to take out Assad, and I'm hearing how Russia needs to keep Assad in place. I'm wondering, is this a proxy war? Is that what's going on here? It's us against Russia here and we're going to find out who is the winner?
GUTFELD: And we're supplying.
BOLLING: Depending on what happen to Assad.
GUTFELD: And we're supplying TOW missiles to -- it's just like Afghanistan all over again. It is -- when we gave them the stingers, now we're giving these guys Tow missiles to shot Russians down. His singular obsession with climate change -- you could -- OK, you could be concern about climate change.
GUILFOYLE: Climate czar (ph).
GUTFELD: And terrorism, you can't.
GUTFELD: But it's a question of proportion and priority. And he's - here's his reverse. It's like, if you have an eight-slice pizza, seven has to be terror, one climate. He's got it reversed. He so consumed by. You should be thinking about terror.
GUILFOYLE: But he lacks and he does.
GUTFELD: Yeah, yes.
GUILFOYLE: He really is unable to focus on it and he doesn't want to. He is actually speaking in through his heart and intention about his ideology, but where focus is and maybe he's going to have the Obama, you know climate initiative and he's going to run it like a czar after he's out.
MCCAIN: Right now, Putin is a dominant world leader right now. President Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Napoleon Bonaparte.
MCCAIN: When it comes to leadership. If you don't believe that Putin is now the world's leader, the national world reader -- excuse me, international leader right now, he is acting, we are reacting. And in this interview, President Obama kept reassuring our enemies, you do something, we're not going to react. We're not gonna do anything because it talks life and a world that's he's in a classroom someplace.
GUILFOYLE: Well, that's the problem. And so I think this is the direction that he is going in. It doesn't sound to me that he is going to engage at all. Focus where it needs to be in this area of national, you know, security. And what Meghan said is very true. Because what you see now is just total disregard for going to the U.S., first on measures. And we see people like Netanyahu. Where is he going? He's checking in with Putin. Not stopping in, checking with President Obama or the U.S. first, before people act.
WILLIAMS: Let me ask for a moment for a different perspective.
GUILFOYLE: A moment of silence to pray for this country?
WILLIAMS: Yeah, let me just say, but yeah.
GUILFOYLE: I think so.
WILLIAMS: Let me just say that I think.
GUTFELD: One moment.
WILLIAMS: It's not that the world is reacting to Putin. I think the world reacted and supported the U.S. and stopping Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And in fact, the president went on to see that that was one of the issues that he was leading on. Secondly, when you.
MCCAIN: Wait, can I.
WILLIAMS: No, let me finish up. So secondly, the thing to remember here is, all of you seem to think, oh, yeah, we should jump in here, we should be fighting. This is not a proxy of error.
WILLIAMS: No. Eric, it's not a proxy.
WILLIAMS: Let me just say something.
BOLLING: He defended not jumping it.
WILLIAMS: No Eric, you said.
BOLLING: But people said not jumping it, I would respected him.
GUILFOYLE: That's one thing.
BOLLING: I would disagree with them.
WILLIAMS: No, but Eric.
BOLLING: But I will respect it.
WILLIAMS: But Eric, we are there. We are a presence. We have been - we are a continued presence in Afghanistan.
WILLIAMS: We are a presence in Iran. We have not been.
BOLLING: We got pushed out of Syria.
WILLIAMS: We just said we would lead more troops on the ground in Afghanistan, and we are certainly a presence in terms of saying.
WILLIAMS: That we do not want Assad to remain in power.
GUILFOYLE: No. Putin.
GUILFOYLE: Putin gave America a stand down order in Syria.
WILLIAMS: It's clearly that Putin is trying to prop up this one guy who is in terrible shape.
BOLLING: So if we want Assad out and Putin is demanding Assad stay and protecting Assad, using both using military force might. What happens when we shoot down a Russian jet or the Russian shot.
WILLIAMS: Oh, it happens. What happens then -- let me just tell you something. If they were to come close to an American facility and American soldier.
BOLLING: They have.
WILLIAMS: No, no. I'm saying -- if they were to add.
MCCAIN: They knocked down out embassy door. They were striking Syria in one hour.
WILLIAMS: I mean you guys act like.
GUILFOYLE: Then get out.
MCCAIN: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's your nothing.
WILLIAMS: That's the Russians and the United States.
MCCAIN: I'm not gonna.
WILLIAMS: The only way we're equal is with nuclear weapons.
GUILFOYLE: Said Meghan.
MCCAIN: All I'm saying is when Obama met with Putin for 90 minutes, and then two days later, a Russian general knocked on our embassy door and said, "We're striking in Syria, you can't do anything about it." Is that leadership? Is that us acting and many are acting? When I was growing up, I didn't think we live in a time when Putin would become the national superpower that America is (inaudible) to.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but she's right.
GUILFOYLE: We're playing knock, knock game.
BOLLING: Steve Kroft.
GUILFOYLE: It was like knock, knock?
BOLLING: Steve Kroft asked President Obama.
GUILFOYLE: Putin, get out.
BOLLING: If he knew that Putin was suppose -- he's planning on attacking ISIS in Syria, and Obama said, "Yeah." He knew about it in that meeting.
MCCAIN: He (inaudible) about it.
BOLLING: Two days prior to the attack.
BOLLING: People are thinking, well, if you knew about it, why didn't you do something about it?
WILLIAMS: No, no.
BOLLING: Why didn't you stop.
MCCAIN: He's hanging out with Kanye West in San Francisco, when he should be dealing with this right now.
WILLIAMS: The problem was not attacking ISIS. We need allies to attack ISIS. The problem was that he started to go in and then the people who were opposed.
BOLLING: We were stunned when Russia dropped bombs in Syria. We were all stunned.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no.
WILLIAMS: The United States is been speaking allies to go after.
BOLLING: John Kerry went to the podium with the Russian diplomats.
BOLLING: Saying, "Well, we didn't really know about it, but.
WILLIAMS: You're missing the problem here. The problem is that the Russians went after our forces, people we support, anti-Assad forces.
BOLLING: Juan, you're two steps down the road. Obama said he knew about that in that meeting.
WILLIAMS: About what ISIS, about willingness.
WILLIAMS: Everybody wants somebody attack ISIS.
MCCAIN: I want -- this is where I want to be. I want to be a liberal idealist who just believes -- Putin is doing nothing, he's going to hang out with Assad. It's going to be great, everything is fine. They're not against America at all because I find that insulting.
GUTFELD: Well you -- I have to say that Putin is playing with -- he has no hand to play with and he's still beating the pants off a nation.
GUILFOYLE: It's true.
GUTFELD: That has a million hands. We -- President Obama has been dealt the greatest hand in his life.
GUTFELD: And he's being beaten by a guy with no hands.
MCCAIN: Our enemy knows he has no strategy and he won't react to anything ever.
GUTFELD: How do you like that?
GUILFOYLE: I think it's the final word on that. I'm so sorry Juan, that's (inaudible) with you.
GUILFOYLE: Up next.
WILLIAMS: Yeah. That was so brilliant, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, it would.
GUILFOYLE: Four out of five. Four out of five ain't bad.
Sending new developments in a charge (ph) of Bowe Bergdahl case could be alleged on with (inaudible) skip tail time and walk free. New details when we return.
BOLLING: There are new developments in the Bowe Bergdahl case, an army officer now recommends Sergeant Bergdahl face no jail time whatsoever, according to his lawyer. The officer said Bergdahl should face a low level court martial -- lower level court martial that could possibly allow him to walk free. Two informant army officials are furious over that news.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LT. COL. MICHAEL WALTZ, AFGHAN WAR VETERAN: He needs to be held fully accountable for it. And frankly, the administration needs to be held fully accountable for the trade that it made for Sergeant Bergdahl. So those five Taliban commanders that are now in cutter are recruiting, they're fundraising and they're rejoining the fight.
LT. COL. TONY SHAFFER, RETIRED U.S. ARMY RESERVE: This is criminal negligence, as far as I'm concerned. This guy defected. He went over to the enemy. He gave them aid and comfort. Let me be painfully clear here, five - - at least seven U.S. soldiers, three British soldiers died in the process of trying to recover him after his bad behavior.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Josh Korder, a former sergeant and platoon leader of Bergdahl says he should face life in prison because he's responsible for several deaths that occurred after he deserted in 2009. Now K. G.
BOLLING: Life in prison? He could be actually executed for treason.
GUILFOYLE: I know. I mean, it's just unbelievable. He's getting such a pass, but I'm not surprised in that before this Article 32 started. I think the fix was in already. And we saw with the whole of the optic. The Rose Garden with the president and calling him a hero and it's just the nonsense that went on there. Meanwhile, no regard for U.S. lives that was lost because of this man. And to say that he'd left, it's so disingenuous because he wanted to report to a higher ranking. Why did you write letters home, why did you send your things home? know, the facts do not support that reasoning.
But nevertheless, one of the witnesses put on by the prosecution kind of laid the case out, saying he wasn't doing well mentally, that this was someone who was very fragile, very weak, is not able to understand about what he did, et cetera, et cetera.
But come on, scot-free? Is he going to go back to the marijuana fields back in Cali?
BOLLING: Even if you think it was a dumb trade to trade five for one, but they did it nonetheless, there -- Tony Schafer points out there -- people say five, seven, eight service people who died looking for Bergdahl.
WILLIAMS: Nobody told us that. They can say it, but I'm just telling you, we just had an investigation. That's not true.
Again, we had an investigation...
GUILFOYLE: So everyone's lying that's in his platoon?
WILLIAMS: ... by the United States military. The United States military found no evidence that anyone was killed.
The real charge that comes from people who oppose this is that therefore, those people were put in danger and other assignments that they were on, then exposed them to possible death. But nobody says that anybody died.
GUILFOYLE: Again, it's called proximate cause, Juan.
WILLIAMS: So in other words, you guys have gone from -- I've been sitting at this table and I heard you say, "Oh, yes, people went out and got killed searching for Bergdahl." Now there's evidence, never happened!
BOLLING: I don't know, Schafer, I -- we just rolled the sound bite of Schafer. I'm not sure anybody at the table said; we simply said what Schafer said.
What signal does it send to other servicemen and women who may be thinking about doing the same thing?
GUTFELD: Well, I don't think you can set a precedent here with these cases, because then there's no walking back. If you let this guy go, then it's easier to let the next guy go.
And he should be punished slightly more than Petraeus, I think, or maybe he would be perfect in the newly revamped MSNBC lineup. They're having a reality show called "The Deserter," where every week he signs up for a new obligation, and then he tries to leave...
GUTFELD: ... and then everybody has to go find him.
BOLLING: It's not a food -- it's not a cooking segment?
MCCAIN: Do you know what this does, honestly? I mean, honestly, I'm the daughter of a P.O.W. For all the people who are captured in combat in really justifiable ways, this guy left his post. He went into enemy hands and now we're supposed to feel sorry for you? I'm, like, two -- two degrees away from being, like, take him out back and let the Navy SEALs handle it.
BOLLING: Sometimes that -- well, whatever, let's leave it right there.
Donald Trump doesn't mince words when expressing how he truly feels about Bergdahl. Here's the Donald on the campaign trail a couple days ago.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're tired of Sergeant Bergdahl, who's a traitor -- he's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: You've got to hand it to Donald Trump, he delivers more red meat than Sam the -- Sam the butcher.
BOLLING: I agree.
GUILFOYLE: I'm feeling hungry.
GUTFELD: He's like the guy at the corner bar who, you know, was shouting at the TV, but that guy could be right. He may be right.
MCCAIN: Yes, I don't want -- I don't want to live in such a politically correct time that we're not OK...
GUTFELD: Yes. We should be -- yes.
MCCAIN: ... with giving the death penalty to someone who is a traitor and a Benedict Arnold to all the men and women in the military.
And you're saying, "OK, let's say that man was wrong about seven people dying." He put American lives at risk. He put American soldiers' lives at risk, and that deserves punishment, no matter what.
BOLLING: Back in the day -- back in the day, that was the definition of treason.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think what Meghan just said is a fair point. He put people at risk.
But what I'm saying to you is the United States military has put this man now through not only this court martial, but I mean, he's been through several reviews of exactly what happened. Everybody has had the opportunity to testify, and they've come to a conclusion.
The danger here, I'm just -- I wouldn't -- I wouldn't rely on Donald Trump, because Donald Trump is the judge. And if talk radio -- right-wing talk radio is the judge, I guess he's a goner.
MCCAIN: One of his former platoon members, Josh Porter (ph), says that he is responsible for the deaths of four platoon members.
WILLIAMS: I'm just telling you what the U.S. military found.
BOLLING: But Kimberly, why -- why -- but you say it was in the bag already. Why would the military go soft? Look, I can't understand why the politics are the way they are, because President Obama had...
GUILFOYLE: But there's a lot going on behind the scenes here with "The Wizard of Oz." So I don't find any of this very surprising. I find it disheartening.
WILLIAMS: Wait. Who is "The Wizard of Oz"?
GUILFOYLE: Never mind.
WILLIAMS: You're saying Obama is...
GUILFOYLE: I'm saying the administration had it out, right away from the beginning, to do the P.R. to make this a nice package, put him in the Rose Garden, call him an American hero. Perception is reality.
Can you imagine the fallout if they're shamed by doing that, by parading this guy and sending five terrorists free to go and torture Americans again?
BOLLING: Anti-American comments in a journal. He said he does not understand our involvement in the wars. He doesn't know if he can...
MCCAIN: But flip this (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...
BOLLING: ... flag on his shoulder.
WILLIAMS: Yes, I'm just saying...
BOLLING: If this were under -- the problem is, if this were under a Republican presidency, if a Republican had done this, liberal media would be losing their minds, and somehow President Obama continues to get away with it. he's a traitor. He's a Benedict Arnold. He should rot in jail or hell.
WILLIAMS: President Obama is getting away with this?
MCCAIN: Yes, he's -- I'm with Kimberly. He traded five terrorists for this Benedict Arnold trainer.
WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh. So now the U.S. -- you're saying our generals and our military people, who I think are terrific, are accused of condemning.
MCCAIN: I'm saying there's a lot of endemic...
GUILFOYLE: No, no, no, no. Don't put words in my mouth.
MCCAIN: When I watched my brother be deployed three times to have that and understand what I'm saying, No. 1.
WILLIAMS: No, no. I think.
MCCAIN: I'm saying it's disrespectful to all the men and women in the military who work hard every day. He abandoned his post. He put American lives in danger. He should pay consequences that's more than just life in jail.
GUTFELD: You know why it may not happen? Is because, in the past three or four decades, we have elevated resistance to folk hero levels. So we used to think that patriotism was this amazing, amazing value. But now we've lived this life.
GUTFELD: And we're questioning all American values and whether it's good to be patriotic, whether it's good to be anything.
WILLIAMS: I think we love the military in this country.
BOLLING: We do. We've got to go. On that note, let's keep it right there.
Up next, the DNC chair makes some wild claims about GOP presidential candidates and their so-called war on women. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, crazy thoughts, coming up next.
MCCAIN: Democrats are ramping up their so-called war on women strategy as the 2016 presidential race grows closer. This favorite tactic of the left is nothing new for Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The Republicans are putting forth some very radical and offensive positions when it comes to women's lives, women's reproductive health, women's employment, women's opportunities.
Extreme views about women? We expect that from some of the terrorist groups, but it's a little hard to take coming from Republicans who want to be the president of the United States.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MCCAIN: But Hillary is not alone. DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz took the war on women to a whole level of absurdity with this outrageous swipe at Republicans yesterday.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, DNC CHAIR: The Republicans have been trying to out-rightwing one another. Look, between the 15 candidates that are left, all of whom are trying to out-Trump Donald Trump by saying, "Yes, let's kick women -- let's kick immigrants out of this country. Let's take away health care from women. Any one of our candidates will be chosen and eventually elected as the 45th president of the United States of America because of that contract.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MCCAIN: I hate her. I hate her. I hate her. Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: I know.
MCCAIN: I hate her.
GUILFOYLE: I can't. It's awful. I try to look down because it's like...
WILLIAMS: How do you feel about her? Just tell me. Just tell me.
MCCAIN: I don't know if you feel this way, Kimberly, but I love that Democrats treat women like we're a special interest group, and when I go in the voting booth, the only thing that matters are my ovaries and my reproductive rights, clouds my brain. I can't make any decision.
I was asked recently what I think the No. 1 issue facing young American women is. It's Islamic extremism. It's not birth control, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
GUILFOYLE: That's the problem. And they're just -- you know, they're scare machines. You know, they're just really trying to frighten women. They're trying to terrorize women. They're trying to tell them, you know, the Republican Party hates women and children. Incorrect.
Who's standing up for lives of children and for babies? The Republican Party.
So to me I just feel this is very disconcerting that they are trying to fabricate this war on women. They're doing women a disservice. They're fear mongers, and they should be exposed.
MCCAIN: Completely agree. Any of the gentlemen want to get in?
GUTFELD: Well, I would agree with you that the real war on women is telling them that they can only think one way. You know, that pronouns are sexist; abortion is a gift, not just a right. Motherhood is really a sham, because you should be doing something else with your life. And you are oppressed. No matter where you are, you're oppressed.
And they're like a tacky wedding singer whenever they're on TV, just shamelessly playing the same old songs: war on women, racism, guns, trade war. And they're just selling women down the socialist river.
GUILFOYLE: Ted. Ted Cruz.
MCCAIN: Want to add on the war on women, Juan?
WILLIAMS: I was -- I was waiting for my war on women warrior.
BOLLING: So look, it's a political strategy. You need -- you need the women vote. You need the independent women vote. It's sliding for Hillary Clinton. It's sliding for the Democrats. So they had to do something to keep -- continue to prop it up. Look, it always looks weird when you cry fire and there's no fire.
WILLIAMS: Gee, nothing has come up about Planned Parenthood.
BOLLING: Planned Parenthood...
WILLIAMS: I don't remember any Republican candidate saying, "Gee, we spend all this money on women's health? Why do we need to do that?"
BOLLING: Juan, you can defund Planned Parenthood's abortion clinics...
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.
BOLLING: ... and still fund women's health services throughout the country without Planned Parenthood.
WILLIAMS: Look -- yes, yes.
GUILFOYLE: In a responsible way with options.
WILLIAMS: You can try to make up -- let me just tell you, the polls are so clear on this. And the problem for the Republican Party is that not only do most Americans think Planned Parenthood should continue to be funded, but so do most women, you know, of all parties.
GUTFELD: But they don't want babies butchered. That's why those videos are so important.
MCCAIN: All women are pro-choice, right?
WILLIAMS: No. If there were real videos without actors, without scripts, basically...
MCCAIN: They think all women are pro-choice, and when we go in the voting booth, we can't think of anything else other than reproductive rights.
BOLLING: You can still be pro-choice and defund the abortion practices of Planned Parenthood.
MCCAIN: Exactly. Exactly.
BOLLING: You can still fund services.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Exactly.
BOLLING: You don't -- you're not declaring war on Roe v. Wade.
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm just saying...
GUILFOYLE: And Planned Parenthood can do a good job and follow the law and not butcher babies. How about that? Provide quality health care and choices to women.
WILLIAMS: How about that? How about they have followed the law, but most people don't want to hear it because they want to defund Planned Parenthood.
GUTFELD: No, no, no, no.
WILLIAMS: So 53 percent of women voted in the last election, so they are a key group. And women have voted for Democrats, I think, the last six elections. So that's why Republicans...
GUTFELD: So the fear is, if you shine a light on these practices, that vote will change. So the strategy among the left is to say, "They want to defund Planned Parenthood." No, we just don't want babies butchered.
GUTFELD: That's all we're asking for.
MCCAIN: We just don't want fetal parts trafficked.
WILLIAMS: If any of that was going on, it would have been illegal.
MCCAIN: Ahead a major car company takes a shot at America's PC culture. Kia's amazing participation trophy ad is up next.
WILLIAMS: Should every kid get a trophy? No thanks, says car maker Kia in this must-see Sunday football ad. It targets the participation trophy PC culture. Check it out.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see that. Participation trophy. But we won every game. Why did we get the same trophy as all those teams we beat? Are we going to start ending games with hugs instead of handshakes? No. No, no, no, no. No. No. No. No. (WRITES "CHAMPS" ON THE TROPHY'S BASE)
Here you go, champ.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: Now, Greg, I just thought that was -- you like it, too.
BOLLING: That was great. It's about time, huh?
WILLIAMS: This is about time?
BOLLING: This is a long time coming.
WILLIAMS: You know, so...
BOLLING: I think every dad in the world is right now clapping for Kia.
GUTFELD: You know They're angry, though.
BOLLING: The liberals.
GUTFELD: No. It's big trophy.
MCCAIN: Big trophy.
GUTFELD: The whole participation trophy thing was created to sell more trophies. Imagine if, you know, you only had trophies for winners, but then you thought, oh, we could get trophies for losers. You double the demand.
GUILFOYLE: The trophy lobby.
GUTFELD: The whole participation trophy was a scam by trophy shops.
WILLIAMS: That is brilliant. I didn't think of that.
MCCAIN: Can I ask you a question, though? You were a professional athlete, correct? You gained as much from, I assume, losing games and learning from them as you did winning.
BOLLING: Yes, the disappointment of losing, how -- feeling that bad where you don't want to do it again, that's -- that's a learning experience.
GUTFELD: I feel like that every day.
WILLIAMS: Stop. Stop, stop, stop.
MCCAIN: Do you think that children -- your children, whomever, that are playing sports right now, that it actually hurts them if they don't know the difference?
BOLLING: I think, really, honestly, it depends on the parents. If you're going to -- if you're going to teach a kid that you can't lose or everyone has to be equal, and then they do get thrown in a situation where they lose, like in the business world, they're completely stunned (ph).
WILLIAMS: All right. So here's another point of view. I actually, by the way, agree, so I'm just doing this...
WILLIAMS: ... for fun.
GUTFELD: Devil's advocate.
WILLIAMS: Yes, that's it. But I've got to tell you something. So you know, like with my kids, especially my youngest, he was, like, a really good player, right? And boy, the parents get so serious. They become obsessed. They start to live out their dreams through their kids, and you start to think, this dad, he was not a winner on the court, but he's now putting pressure on the kid, Kimberly.
GUTFELD: I'm like that with my parrots (ph).
GUILFOYLE: OK, but that's a little bit different from the trophy situation. I mean, look, I think that if you win, you win. Get the champ thing, get the first place, get the ribbon, et cetera. It's good to have, you know, motivation. And don't be sitting there like it's treating kids that life is always going to be awesome. And every day you're going to get an award or a promotion or the job or the girl or the car.
WILLIAMS: But don't you think it's good...
WILLIAMS: You think it's good, Megyn, to actually get young people to participate?
What is your name, young man?
GUTFELD: I'm sorry.
WILLIAMS: You don't get a trophy today, not you.
MCCAIN: I think it's good to participate. I don't think you should be rewarded for simply participating, and so many great leaders say that they have learned just as much from their success as failures, as have many former athletes.
So I think there's a lot to be learned, and I worry about a culture that we live in when everyone is rewarded for everything and you don't understand you have to work for that.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, there's no measure of value. You've just really -- you've just, like, depreciated all the value out of it, so it has no meaning.
GUTFELD: Do you know what a bigger lie than this is? Fairy tales. Why do we continue to tell kids fairy tales? Every fairy tale ends with "And they lived happily ever after." That's not how it works. We don't live happily ever after.
WILLIAMS: That's a good point. That's a good point.
GUILFOYLE: We need more of the big bad wolf.
WILLIAMS: Greg has had -- Greg has made two good points about this. The trophy business, that was something else.
GUILFOYLE: Big trophy.
WILLIAMS: All right. "One More Thing," up next.
GUTFELD: Ever think about that? Ever think...
GUTFELD: "One More Thing," Eric.
BOLLING: OK. So the most controversial thing that happened all -- last few days, watch this SOT. Watch what happens. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Up the middle by Murphy. The ball behind second base, he was going to turn that way and make a throw.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: OK. So Chase Utley takes out Ruben Tejada, takes him out hard. Ruben broke his leg on the play. Chase Utley was originally going to be suspended.
Let me just tell you something about this. This is what you're taught to do from the professional level...
GUILFOYLE: That's a dirty fly.
BOLLING: ... college level on up. You're taught to take out the shortstop or second baseman, whoever is there, no matter where he is, take him out and take him out hard. I played shortstop. Hold on. Quick story.
See this? This is a cleat. These are metal cleats, what they look like. I have these three holes in my leg from a guy sliding in hot and high, three feet over the bag.
WILLIAMS: Did you hear what -- did you hear what Kimberly said? Did you hear what Kimberly said?
BOLLING: It's not in the rules, but it's the way you play the game. Now man up!
GUILFOYLE: By the way, that was the bleep bleep slide I've ever seen. It wasn't even a good dirty slide.
GUTFELD: I've got to move on, you guys. But I believe if you go to urban dictionary, "dirty slide" means something else.
WILLIAMS: Oh, no.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you.
MCCAIN: All right. Mine is 94-year-old former president, George H.W. Bush, threw out the first pitch at the Houston Astros play-off game on Sunday. He's there with his wife, the former first lady, Barbara Bush.
WILLIAMS: How cool.
MCCAIN: It's so good to see him out, and I know baseball's been a big part of his life for a long time. And it's just -- I don't know. This warms my cold, dark heart. I love it.
GUTFELD: Yes, and you do have a cold, dark heart.
MCCAIN: Cold, dark heart.
GUTFELD: Yes. That will be your memoir.
GUILFOYLE: Big family. Big family.
GUILFOYLE: So a little bit of an update on our national hero that saved day over in Europe. Army National Guardsman Alek Skarlatos made a trip to Sacramento, California, to visit his friend, Spencer Stone, the airman who had been recovering in the hospital. If you'll recall, he was in an incident where he was stabbed repeatedly, outnumbered. He was trying to defend a woman, help her, who was being beaten, I guess, by her boyfriend. And then she left in the car with him. So they're trying to find, if you have any information about this, find out who the girl is.
GUTFELD: It was the panelists from "Outnumbered"? That's terrible that they would do that. It's good to see that he's well. This guy is tough.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, it's unbelievable, right?
GUTFELD: All right, we've got to go. Juan.
GUILFOYLE: We wish him well.
WILLIAMS: So you know, it's Sunday, and I really just wanted to sit in front of the TV and watch football, but I have grandkids, so off I went pumpkin picking. There I am with Pepper out at Butler's Orchard in Gaithersburg, Maryland. There are the girls, Pepper and Wesley, with their mom, Reagan, getting a picture taken. I love that picture.
Here they are with...
GUTFELD: Face painting.
WILLIAMS: Raffi's girlfriend, Morgan. They got face painting out there. You know, they had mazes. They had animals. Now the fun part was that's Delise, my wife and I, coming down a chute. You go over the top and way down a chute, you know, on a burlap sack. It was so much fun.
BOLLING: You couldn't get that on video?
WILLIAMS: Yes, it was on video, but we don't have the time for that. It's just "One More Thing."
BOLLING: I think we had time for video.
GUTFELD: I might be the only American who finds children face painting to be evil. It makes children look scary.
All right. Speaking of scary...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Greg's Halloween Tips.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: As you know, three weeks away. I went into my costume. I finally decided to go as a meerkat. Here I am shopping for pumpkins.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(MEERKAT CHECKING OUT A LARGE JACK-O-LANTERN)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
MCCAIN: You're eating.
GUTFELD: The way -- when I look for my pumpkins, I always try them. And this is -- my wife was also dressed as a meerkat. And we actually got inside, and I got stuck and was later arrested for doing something vile...
GUTFELD: ... with a pumpkin.
GUILFOYLE: A dirty slide?
GUTFELD: I can't help myself. Anyway, remember, dress safely on Halloween.
DVRs -- whatever. Never miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" is up next. You guys move too fast.
GUILFOYLE: A real show. A real show.
Content and Programming Copyright 2015 Fox News Network, LLC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2015 Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content.