FBI: No indication Chattanooga gunman was inspired by ISIS
Authorities conducting investigation to find if shooter worked alone
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 17, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Jedediah Bila, Juan Williams, Sandra Smith and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
Yesterday morning, four American marines were gunned down in Tennessee. Today, their families and loved ones are devastated. They were Gunnery Sergeant Thomas J. Sullivan of Hampden, Massachusetts; Staff Sergeant David A. Wyatt of Burke, North Carolina; Sergeant Carson A. Holmquist of Polk, Wisconsin; and Lance Corporal Squire K. Wells of Cobb County, Georgia. Here's what we know about the alleged killer, Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez. People who knew him say he was a devout Muslim. He reportedly traveled to Jordan last year. Law enforcement gave an update on the investigation this afternoon.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BILL KILLIAN, U.S. ATTORNEY EASTERN DISTRICT TENNESSEE: The act of shooter situation is being treated as a terrorism investigation.
ED REINHOLD, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE FBI-KNOXVILLE DIVISION: At this time, we have no indication that he was inspired by or directed by anyone other than himself.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Here's what Former Deputy CIA Director Mike Morell and Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani say about the attacks.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL MORELL, FORMER DEPUTY CIA DIRECTOR: This is the wave of the future, Charlie. This is not surprising to me. People have been warning about this for months.
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: The lone wolf has become a pack of wolves. And the pack of wolves have a common ideology, it's called Muslim extremist terrorism. And that organizes them, that motivates them and if you don't recognize that ideology, and you create political correctness as a barrier, you find it really hard to find them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Yeah, what do you say, Greg? People are ticked off. Enough is enough. These stories are coming fast and furious.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, we keep saying that. We keep wondering how is this recruitment process performed and how do this people become radicalized? And I keep going back to the fact that we don't have a counter message to the jihad. We don't have our own message, our own propaganda, our own awesomeness, and I think in obstacles, that we keep talking about on the show is that our current leaders can't bring themselves to conveying that message because they are hung up on the idea, that there's a harmfulness to the language of exceptionalism. That if we talk about our greatness, somehow it's at the suffering of others. So it's silly to proclaim our work and we just sit back and we listen to this radicalization and we have no answers. Is it wrong to focus on that swimming pool, the manicured lawn, that nice house which repudiates this notion that terrorism would disappear if they weren't poor? It reminds me that all the 9/11 hijackers were not poor at all. That it has nothings -- there is no link at all to poverty. This guy had all -- everything at his fingerprint -- finger -- what is this called?
BOLLING: Tips.
GUTFELD: Tips -- to have a great life that he didn't have.
SANDRA SMITH, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, that's not exactly true.
GUTFELD: I said -- well, I supposedly the chlorine in the pool could have caused him to go crazy. I don't know. But there are no root causes here other than his a lonely loser.
BOLLING: And speaking, what if I -- what did you disagree about that? I would say, I agree with Greg completely. What's happening is.
SMITH: Well, haven't we got new details about his upbringing and that there was some abuse in the home. These are some of the latest.
GUTFELD: There are a lot of people abused at homes so don't.
BOLLING: Yeah, and you don't.
GUTFELD: Shoot.
SMITH: No, no, no, no. I'm just merely pointing that out as a fact, as we continue this story. Now -- bottom line, the radicalization, a lot of it is happening on the internet and you and I talked to U.S. corporations, we cover U.S. corporations every day. Where is the integration with U.S. corporations and government to track these terrorists down online? Where all this radicalization is happening? We are not yet in sync with those U.S. corporations. I'm gonna name Facebook. I'm gonna name Twitter, I'm gonna name all these social media avenues in which they are using for that propaganda. That is still a huge problem area, Eric.
BOLLING: Don't we want them on Facebook and Twitter bragging about what they're doing, so we can keep an eye on them?
SMITH: Well, obviously, we have the government right now telling us that they don't have the resources to keep an eye on them. So we need U.S. corporations to get onboard.
BOLLING: They don't have to resource to keep an eye on the guy whose father.
SMITH: And help red flag when they do see things.
BOLLING: Whose father was -- at one point on a terror watch list.
SMITH: That's right.
BOLLING: Has taken off and who has traveled being to Jordan and possibly Yemen?
SMITH: Yeah.
BOLLING: Juan, what about -- I think this would be a perfect example of using some of those resources on a -- would be jihadist.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, you know the FBI director said they are using the resources, Eric. I mean, it's not like people are standing around. He just says there are so many of these people, it's impossible to ask the government to stop every -- and each one of them.
SMITH: With this.
WILLIAMS: This kid has no record. I think you have said he was stopped for a DUI once. That's it. Otherwise, he has no record. You go back and look at his upbringing, I don't know about the chlorine in the pool, you know.
GUTFELD: I was just being facetious.
WILLIAMS: I got -- and I love it.
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: But I'm just saying, they said he was a very funny guy, he was on the wrestling team.
BOLLING: So.
WILLIAMS: They got a picture of him doing martial arts.
JEDEDIAH BILA, GUEST CO-HOST: But you're right about that. You can't prevent everything.
WILLIAMS: What?
BILA: But that is why it's absurd to me that these marines are not able to arm themselves and protect themselves because you're not going to be able to stop everybody. But what you can do is you can let the men and women who are trained to protect us and to protect themselves, and who are trained how to use this weaponry, to be able to at least, if they face with a situation like this, to fight back. And that's what we're taking away from them.
GUTFELD: Well, that's.
BILA: This is a pattern that we -- we know 2008, 2010, 2011, repeatedly, you have these particular spaces, these recruitment centers, these bases that are being targeted.
BOLLING: But this is.
BILA: We're being told in advance, these are targets and we're taking away the ability of these people.
WILLIAMS: But Jedediah, they've been targets forever. I mean, you go back and you can find people working on that season (ph).
BILA: Have they been targets forever? But not by Islamic extremism which is.
WILLIAMS: No. Let me just say, they've been targets forever.
BILA: A not thing that this president refuses to acknowledge.
WILLIAMS: And the second thing I'd say to you is it's in a strip mall, the recruitment center. So I mean, what you gonna do?
BILA: So?
WILLIAMS: You'll gonna have people in a workplace next to the hamburger stand or.
BILA: So?
WILLIAMS: In the movie theater shooting? I don't -- it's like Wild, Wild West.
BOLLING: But let.
BILA: Protect themselves?
GUTFELD: Pawn shops -- I know you got it -- are better armed than that.
WILLIAMS: Right.
GUTFELD: And they are in strip malls.
BILA: The Wild, Wild West, though? I mean, you're talking about enabling -- so the criminals get to have guns, but heaven forbid that people in that strip mall would be prepared to fight back.
WILLIAMS: No, no.
BILA: That if somebody out there, a law abiding citizen.
WILLIAMS: I think, I think.
BILA: Would see that.
WILLIAMS: Guess what.
BILA: They would be able to pull a gun out.
WILLIAMS: Guess what, people.
BILA: And retaliate?
WILLIAMS: Guess what.
BILA: I say amen to that.
WILLIAMS: President George H.W. Bush signed this into law.
BILA: I disagree with that too.
BOLLING: No, no, no.
WILLIAMS: When it was re-informed by President Clinton. But it was re- issued by President Obama.
BOLLING: I think Clinton actually signed it into law.
WILLIAMS: No, no.
BOLLING: It was brought up by.
WILLIAMS: By Bush.
BOLLING: H.W.
WILLIAMS: Yeah.
BOLLING: Absolutely.
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WILLIAMS: So I'm just saying. If people thought about this and they say, you know what, there's workplace violence. We have guards, we have security people. You don't need everybody having a gun in their workplace.
BILA: But haven't forbid the fact in amendment the enforcement people be allowed to protect themselves. It's a disgrace.
BOLLING: We just had produce --
BILA: Sorry.
BOLLING: We just had the (inaudible) discussion about the song bite. Skip to the next one. Let's go to the.
GUTFELD: But we are.
BOLLING: All right.
GUTFELD: I just want to bring up the point that I was -- so I was at the gym watching CNN and they were talking about how -- it's all about gun control and they shouldn't be armed. And I'm thinking to myself, they are in a cable news studio, which is a harder target than the recruitment offices. The arrogance that these people have to say like these softer targets don't need to be harder while they're doing it in an air conditioned well protected studio called CNN, where they have three levels of security that you have to get into. That's just drives me nuts.
BILA: It happens all the time, though. You have celebrities that are walking around with armed security guards. You have politicians that have security guards. They are on the same bracket (ph) that will be videoed with the security guard who's armed behind them. Well that's they tell you.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes.
BILA: That you shouldn't have a gun.
WILLIAMS: Let me say -- let me jump in here. Let me say look, I am -- you know I do not like guns. I think that guns are a source of great deal of misery in our country.
GUTFELD: So were cars, Juan...
WILLIAMS: But I'm just -- no, no. Stop, stop.
GUTFELD: There are cars that kill more people.
WILLIAMS: But, no, no, no. I'm just gonna say.
GUTFELD: You drive, Juan?
WILLIAMS: Let me just say this to you Greg.
GUTFELD: You drive cars? You're an animal.
WILLIAMS: You will doubt me. Are the reasons that you will doubt me is you say well, he doesn't like guns, right? Because he's afraid of these drive- by people and all of that.
GUTFELD: Right.
WILLIAMS: But I'm going to tell you that the army spokesman came out yesterday. You know what he said? When we have army recruitment centers, we can't have them as armed barricade bunkers. We need a connection to the American people. And the American people know -- they need to know they can come and feel safe.
BOLLING: You want to know some, Juan?
(CROSSTALK)
BOLLING: You want to ask someone who what -- who really should know whether or not it would be a good idea to put to armed the people on our military bases? The people who have been on the military bases when they're attacked, whether it's the navy ship yard, the other navy ship yard or Fort Hood, there are 13 people who are dead, who may not have been dead had that based be armed. Smithy (ph), your thoughts before.
SMITH: Well, you're gonna get mixed reaction to that.
BOLLING: Thank you.
SMITH: You will get mixed reaction to that if you asked men and women on military bases if they should be armed. They're gonna -- it's probably, their answers is gonna be -- Juan, some should be armed.
WILLIAMS: Right.
SMITH: And perhaps, not all should be armed.
BOLLING: Certainly, the ones that are trained to use the weapons could be and should be armed.
SMITH: Sure. And in some cases and in some instances, but at least a sidearm, at least something so that they can protect themselves because right now, Juan, I'll point out that these anti-gun laws are targeting the wrong people. They're keeping guns out of the wrong -- hands of the wrong people. And this very instance, the anti-gun laws protected one person and that was the shooter.
WILLIAMS: No, I don't think so. I think you know we can't talk about people whose lives are saved because it's not in a workplace where everybody has a gun and an argument breaks out. We know about workplace violence in our country.
GUTFELD: Juan.
WILLIAMS: It's not unusual.
GUTFELD: Juan, but there's actual research that proves this fact that felons and spree killers, openly volunteer the information that they avoid areas where there might be a gun there. They look for gun-free zones because they know there's less conflict and they can exact more damage. So we need to turn sitting ducks into shooting ducks. Or they're going to be more sitting ducks.
BOLLING: We got to move on. Just throw at that picture up one more time. The glass, the bullet holes and the no-gun thing, right there. If that doesn't burn it into your mind, right there. What -- something is wrong. Something's got to change. All right, let's move on. Let's not forget FBI Director James Comey's stunning warning just last week on Capitol Hill.
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JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: ISIL says, go kill, go kill. Here's a list of military members you can go kill, go do it. We are stopping these things so far through tremendous hard work. The use of sources, the use of online undercovers, but it is incredibly difficult, all right. I cannot see me stopping these indefinitely.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: That's what you were hitting on earlier. That -- there's this whole online presence where ISIS is actually attacking our youth.
SMITH: And you talk about how difficult this is and Comey talking about how difficult this is. Especially, with someone like this whose track record was so clean. I mean, we are now learning that the shooter briefly worked at a nuclear plant in 2013. He was briefly and conditionally employed, the nuclear plant confirmed this. For 10 days in 2013, he passed the federal background check, of course, that revealed that he had this OVI, which is the equivalent of the DUI. But nonetheless, he had a background check, the clearance to work at a nuclear plant? I mean, that's how difficult this process is.
BOLLING: And this could be. Greg, well you talked.
SMITH: They need.
BOLLING: You talked about all the time, the needle in the haystack. This needle was the size of Sixth Avenue.
GUTFELD: Yeah. It's -- the problem is, though, ISIS wins if we become totally paralyzed and if we devote large patches of time to homicidal losers. We -- the more you show, the more they grow. We know this with teenage suicide and we know this was spree shootings, the more that you devote to this guy -- like on CNN. I get to bring them up, obsessing over his looks. Today, Carol Costello talking about how good looking he was. It reminded him of the.
BOLLING: (inaudible)
GUTFELD: Yeah, and his vibrant personality. You know, evil people can be good looking and charismatic.
(CROSSTALK)
BILA: Yeah.
GUTFELD: It's not a big leap.
BILA: Yeah. And there are always, you know this lone wolf nonsense, yeah, lone wolf. It's all woven together onto the fabric of Islamic extremism. And I just don't understand this, the president giving a statement and not -- you got to call it what it is. You got to be willing to acknowledge that this isn't the same. The wolves that we have at these places, it's not the same time now as it was 30 years ago. We're dealing with Islamic extremism, where this places, 2008, 2010, 2011, continuously being attacked. And you know, Juan, you are worried about some hypothetical and I understand it.
WILLIAMS: What hypothetical?
BILA: Hypothetical at a military center, for example.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no, no.
BILA: Somebody gets a gun who might.
WILLIAMS: Let me just -- Jedediah, there's no hypothetical.
BILA: What are you worried about?
WILLIAMS: If you live in America, you live in a city?
BILA: Yeah.
WILLIAMS: My God. We have daily carnage from guns in our country.
(CROSSTALK)
BILA: From who?
WILLIAMS: Not guns.
BILA: Not from military men and women.
WILLIAMS: I don't know.
BILA: From criminals.
WILLIAMS: Thank you. People.
BILA: From criminals.
WILLIAMS: I don't care who shoots you. I don't want anybody to shoot you.
BILA: And I want to be able to let law abiding citizens to fight back.
WILLIAMS: Here's my thing about this. You know what, we have got to protect ourselves and we have done a very good job. A protect -- I think we are God blessed that we haven't had more of these crazy lone wolf people. But today, what do I hear?
BILA: Not the wolf.
WILLIAMS: Oh, we should do more profiling. I think that's what Eric is driving at, more profiling.
BOLLING: Absolutely.
WILLIAMS: We should have some more.
BILA: Of course.
BOLLING: Absolutely.
WILLIAMS: We should have more guns. You talked about right-wing.
BILA: You can't acknowledge what it is.
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: This is right-wing overly (ph).
BOLLING: Juan, profile.
WILLIAMS: Right-wing overly (ph).
GUTFELD: So do you want to have more compassion?
WILLIAMS: A more compassion.
GUTFELD: So we have -- should have more (inaudible) moments. You got this.
WILLIAMS: Oh, no. You can.
GUTFELD: Hot yoga in the sun.
WILLIAMS: You know.
BOLLING: More body baths.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BILA: Hot yoga.
WILLIAMS: Hot yoga?
BOLLING: Juan, can I just clarify.
WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. I like that --
BOLLING: Juan?
WILLIAMS: Yeah.
(LAUGHTER)
BOLLING: Profile behavior. Don't profile race or religion.
WILLIAMS: What, of course is --but you think we're stupid? There's nobody - - do you think the FBI isn't doing their job? Eric, they are.
BOLLING: I think we can.
BILA: But we can do.
BOLLING: Focus the job. All right, we gonna leave it right there. Coming up, the Planned Parenthood scandal about aborted baby body parts heats up. An executive and a group issue, an apology adding fuel to the fire. Details when The Five returns.
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GUTFELD: Warning, this story is pretty gross. If kids are around, tell them to go play with their iPhones. So a new undercover video shows a Planned Parenthood documentary (sic) describing how aborted babies could be harvested for spare parts:
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DR. DEBORAH NUCATOLA, PLANNED PARENTHOOD SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR MEDICAL SERVICES: Every provider has had patients who want to donate their tissue, and they absolutely want to accommodate them. They just want to do it in a way that is not perceived as, "This clinic is selling tissue. This clinic is making money off of this"… You're just kind of cognizant of where you put your graspers. You try to intentionally go above and below the thorax. So that, you know, we've been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that. So I'm not gonna crush that part. I'm going to basically crush below, I'm gonna crush above...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Now the panicking media says the video was edited, and it was. But think about that for a moment: The outrage is over a video, not the unborn being spliced. Sorry, plundering a fetus trumps plundering a vid.
But look, we're beyond ethics here. Once you relegate an unborn child to just a group of cells, who is to say what you can use it for? Suddenly, "Solyent Green" is no longer science fiction, but a ghoulish fact. Imagine if they were dismembering dolphins for research. Oh, the uproar. And there's something truly weird about that woman holding her fork, while casually talking about dicing babies? I wonder if she made room for dessert.
This video is moral sunlight, exposing the priorities of an ambivalent world. The president bravely condemns intolerance for its any group in vogue, but no word is spoken for the unspeakable. That's because fetuses can't talk. They can't hold protest signs. They can't sell their stories to Us Weekly or win awards from a pliant media. There are no safe spaces for them on campus. They're so small and quiet. You wonder what they did to deserve this. And a doctor could ultrasound them to prove to everyone they're alive, but it's less controversial just to ultrasound them for a piece of lung.
So as we pat ourselves on the back for advances in tolerance, life indeed goes on for some, anyway.
So Eric, Planned Parenthood apologized for the tone in the video, but it does not reflect compassion.
BOLLING: Right, not the activity.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Just the tone. Sorry our person was holding a fork eating.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: While she was talking about dismembering baby parts.
GUTFELD: Yes, yeah.
BOLLING: Again, the numbers $538 million that taxpayer money goes into Planned Parenthood. If this isn't a good indication, it's time to stop doing that. Whether you agree with what they do or not, you could -- there are many, many, many people who are on my side that would agree to stop, at least using taxpayer money to fund some of this atrocious behavior.
GUTFELD: It's weird.
SMITH: There's that money angle.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
SMITH: Because there's also the money angle, she talked about in the video that a clinic is making money off this, like that's what it was all about. The exchange of a dime a dozen talking about baby body parts, I mean, it's just a brutal thing to talk about right now, but that's just it. There was an apology from Planned Parenthood about the tone that was taken by this person in the video, but not an apology for what they're doing.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
SMITH: It's just that it's very disturbing.
GUTFELD: They tried to paint what they're doing as -- it's all part of medical research, Jedediah. But also, their claim that it was heavily edited is actually perhaps true. It was, but you can see the whole video and it doesn't matter because you can actually see what they said.
BILA: Yeah. And that's true. And the thing is that tone is the tone that you see, represented by many in the pro-abortion movement. There is callousness. There is a detachment from this. They treated babies like they are inanimate objects. They are talking about like they're parts to a car or to your kitchen or whatever it may be. Planned Parenthood does get a ton of taxpayer money and they have a history. If you look at their video, this isn't the first time. Live action has exposed numerous things where they aren't reporting underage girls, that we're getting abortions there. They're protecting sexual predators and the (inaudible) has a great column out. That chronicles. That there's a long history of this, and I think it's really interesting that you don't see politicians on the left coming out. I don't care where you stand, pro-life or pro-choice. This is something that you'll be universally condemned, that a woman can sit at the table and talk about baby parts like they're tables or cups or pens. There's a sickness in this country if it doesn't bother you.
GUTFELD: It.
WILLIAMS: Of course it will bother you. The thing is that this conversation bothers me because it's so politicized about something that is so -- I don't know. So much to talk about.
GUTFELD: This is moral -- they.
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GUTFELD: It's moral, Juan.
WILLIAMS: It's not.
GUTFELD: It's not political, it's moral.
WILLIAMS: I think -- oh, no. I think this is highly politicized. So when you have not only paid actors, remember, they are paid actors sent in to try to capture this and create this situation.
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Hey, to them it's a moral battle.
WILLIAMS: No. I -- what I don't know what kind of battle, but obviously.
GUTFELD: It's moral.
WILLIAMS: It's a lot like you know, there are things where you -- where conservatives set up liberal people to be embarrassed.
GUTFELD: Your 60 minutes never did that.
WILLIAMS: You know -- no, no, no. I didn't.
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WILLIAMS: OK, so -- and then remember, like what we're talking about here is that you have tissue being used, sometimes for scientific research, I don't know, whatever. It's not about organs being donated, that's not what we're talking about. Nobody should make money off of this. That would be an Obamanination (ph). So this is an ethically difficult area. Most Americans support abortion rights in this country because you're also talking about the lives of women involved and the rest. It's not only about the idea that, oh, gee, you know, maybe we should stop all of abortions.
GUTFELD: But the great thing -- I want to -- just run this piece from Alex Wagner, if you can load that one up. To get to the reason why this video, whether was heavily doctored or was done by paid actors, that's irrelevant because it forces people, even pro-choicers to go, this is pretty icky. Can you roll that?
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ALEX WAGNER, HOST, MSNBC: There is first that this sort of, I think shock that people hear when they hear that fetal organs are being extracted and use for research, right? And I don't -- I guess I don't begrudge anybody that feels sort of distressed at that concept, right. As you learn more about the importance of fetal tissue in medical research, this undercover, whatever it is seems, in some way as incendiary.
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GUTFELD: See, that's what you -- she make Juan's point. But she had to admit it's disgusting.
BOLLING: Right. Juan says you know that same thing.
BILA: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Yeah.
BOLLING: He said it was disgusting.
GUTFELD: What?
BOLLING: Disgusting. It is disgusting how they got the information, how they got the video.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no.
BOLLING: Not the actual.
BILA: No, no.
WILLIAMS: What's disgusting is what goes on. Look, I mean -- look, I come from a family.
GUTFELD: Now people know, Juan.
WILLIAMS: No, everybody.
GUTFELD: We know.
WILLIAMS: Look, this is no secret. There's a law about it, Greg. It's not like America is just discovering it, in fact that you people.
GUTFELD: To have them talk about it on MSNBC is quite an achievement.
SMITH: Yeah.
WILLIAMS: You know what? Oh, I get it. The point is that this is a conservative effort by people who are opposed to abortion rights in this country, to get the media, to talk about it and that's why conservative media.
SMITH: No.
GUTFELD: The philosophical question. How far can you go?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
GUTFELD: What's the next step? If you find out there's nutrition, would you eat it?
WILLIAMS: Oh my, God, Greg. But let me just say.
GUTFELD: What are you doing now?
WILLIAMS: But Greg.
GUTFELD: What if you found life extensive benefits from a fetus, would you use it?
WILLIAMS: Of course -- what? The question is scientific research. This is a lot like the stem cell.
GUTFELD: That's the point.
WILLIAMS: Debate that we've had in this country.
BOLLING: And what's wrong with having scientist, actual scientists doing this instead of Planned Parenthood. Last I checked they're not the scientists on the cutting edge of.
WILLIAMS: They aren't doing it.
BOLLING: Stem cell research and.
WILLIAMS: What do you think they were doing it?
BOLLING: They're giving it to scientists and.
WILLIAMS: Oh, scientists who are doing the research.
SMITH: Right.
BOLLING: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Right.
BOLLING: Exactly, so.
WILLIAMS: And by the way.
BOLLING: What should they be.
WILLIAMS: By the way, what you say.
BOLLING: Offering tissue.
WILLIAMS: What do you mean? You just said.
BOLLING: Here's my point.
WILLIAMS: They have other.
BOLLING: Other parties funding Planned Parenthood, right?
WILLIAMS: Let me just say if I am.
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: If I am a woman and I -- let me just say this. You know most of the people who have abortions in this country are married women who are making a decision. If they decide, you know what, I would like some good to come of this and it can help with scientific research that would save lives or prevent disease, what do you say to that, Eric?
BOLLING: I say got to a scientist, go to a lab and have it done there rather than go.
WILLIAMS: Well, that's where it's gonna happen, Eric.
BOLLING: You have a taxpayer -- have a tax dollar paying the doctor to perform that abortion.
GUTFELD: That is the other argument.
WILLIAMS: By the way, the tax dollar, it can go to Planned Parenthood.
GUTFELD: If you can get something good out of this.
WILLIAMS: Yeah.
BOLLING: If you can get something good out of this is now the argument.
WILLIAMS: What do.
GUTFELD: Because the -- now they realize that it's horrible. Maybe something goodbye -- you're actually not giving anything away. You're taking it from the unborn child, so there's nothing good coming from you.
SMITH: Yeah, it's.
WILLIAMS: Do you think the woman -- you think a mother doesn't feel this? Do you think people just are crazy and they just go ahead because it's a teenager who's that I didn't use birth control?
BILA: But some people.
WILLIAMS: Is that's what you think?
BILA: Some people -- there are people like that.
WILLIAMS: Well, if they are.
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: Those people are reprehensible.
BILA: Planned Parenthood.
WILLIAMS: That's not.
BILA: Protects a lot of those people.
WILLIAMS: Oh my, gosh.
BILA: This is also about an organization. We're talking about taxpayer dollars. You're talking about an organization.
GUTFELD: Right.
BILA: That had a history, a problem. They're taking our money and this is video after video. Then they should be held accountable. Maybe they don't deserve our dollars.
SMITH: There's a few people shocked and appalled by this merely 2 million views of that video right now.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
WILLIAMS: Yeah.
GUTFELD: I got to go because its sounds (inaudible) -- Donald is emerging as the GOP frontrunner according to the new Fox News poll, how the bombastic billionaire make his way to the top of the heap? We'll debate it next.
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BILA: The latest FOX News poll, released last night, revealed a new leader of the pack, the Donald.
Among Republican primary voters, Donald Trump tops the list with 18 percent; followed by Scott Walker at 15 percent; and Jeb Bush at 14 percent. So what to make of the Trump surge? Hill columnist A.B. Stoddard says he is currently the center of the GOP universe.
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A. B. STODDARD, COLUMNIST, "THE HILL": I think Trump is taking voter share away from a little bit Bush, a little bit Rubio. Definitely from Ben Carson, and he's obviously the center of gravity. He's the center of this race.
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BILA: Weekly Standard columnist and FOX News contributor Steve Hayes warns that Trump may not be the conservative he claims to be.
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STEVE HAYES, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: The person that A.B. calls the center of gravity right now is a man, the leader of the Republican Party right now in this primary. He's a man who supported single-payer health care, wants to raise taxes to an vesicatory (ph) level, called George W. Bush evil, has given ton of money to liberals, and praised and funded Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee.
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BILA: Eric, I want to go to you on this, on his conservative record. Do you think that he will be able to maintain his lead once people start realizing a lot of what Steve is saying is true. He did support single payer and supported a lot of Democratic candidates. He's not that strong principled conservative that I think conservatives were looking for.
BOLLING: Is this news? Is this news? Is everyone surprised?
BILA: Do you think everyone knows that, though?
BOLLING: Well, I don't think it matters. I think what Donald Trump is tapping into is the angst, the collective angst of American voters, who are sick of business as usual in Washington, D.C. He's certainly not business as usual. He steps up and says, "I'm going to change things," and you believe him. When you hear hope and change out of President Obama and you get four more years, and eight more years.
And then you hear Hillary Clinton basically saying the same rhetoric. And then you have the establishment right saying almost the same thing, and you don't believe them. You believe Donald Trump. Whether you like him or not, you believe he means business. He will make changes.
I'm just surprised. I'm just honestly shocked that there are that many Republican pundits on the networks across all the cable networks trashing Donald Trump. There's a problem in America, and it's not Donald Trump. It's collective progressivism that needs to change. They get anything, move further towards the trouble, not toward him.
WILLIAMS: Did you say progressive? I thought you said conservative commentators.
BOLLING: They are. They're trashing...
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WILLIAMS: So every -- so every conservative commentator is now a progressive?
BOLLING: Not every. I said I see a lot.
WILLIAMS: You know what? You know what I heard that about is in this poll. By the way, the poll has Trump at 18. Nearest competitor is Scott Walker at 15. Jeb Bush at 14.
But what struck me was the question was, you know given what Donald Trump said about Mexico sending criminals and rapists to the United States. Among Republican primary voters, 68 percent say the Donald is right. Sixty-eight percent of Republicans agree with him. Maybe that's why he's resonating.
BILA: I think what they like about his Sandra, is he's blunt. If you look at his Twitter feed, this is a guy who was out there, if someone does something idiotic, he's going to call an idiot an idiot. He's not politically correct. He is not censored.
And another thing is, which we've talked about a lot. He doesn't apologize for his success. This is a guy who will out and say, "You know what? I'm rich. I can fund my own campaign. I'm successful."
As opposed to someone like Mitt Romney, who we always felt was sort cowering on that issue and sort of embarrassed by his wealth.
SMITH: He killed that off earlier on when he said, "I've got a Gucci store that worth more," right. He's owned that from the beginning.
And I've been quite surprised day by day that's gone by that there have not been attacks on his wealth, as he has now exposed that his assets total $10 billion. He's owning that. He's telling the American people, "I, too, can make you rich. I can bring you through, you know, this American system. You can thrive, too."
But it's the brand building that I think is interesting right now. Because the skepticism is that Donald Trump is building his brand, right? He did that with "The Apprentice." Was that a platform for running for president or was that him building his brand and running for president brand building?
I think that that skepticism is there. But who cares? I mean, he has mastered this. He's mastered everyone talking about him. And the fact that he's not getting those attacks on, well, maybe finally he's sending the message that being wealthy is not a bad thing in America. I quite frankly, think that message needed to get across, and he's effective at it.
BILA: Who do you think he's stealing attention from, Greg? Because I see a lot of the former Ted Cruz and Scott Walker supporters that are now intrigued. Also, the Chris Christie supporters who saw that similar trait in Chris Christie, that he was out there. He was willing to speak his mind, but weren't onboard with Christie are now jumping on the Trump bandwagon. So how does this play out?
GUTFELD: He's -- I don't think he's stilling it from anyone, in particular. He's taking it from the group, which now exceeds the Duggar family in number of candidates. And this is exactly how you lose an election.
You've got to find your most persuasive candidate to the most people. Who's the most persuasive for the most people? And unify behind them. It's something that the Democrats have done pretty damn good for the last couple of elections.
I think it's always been a disadvantage for this party to have so many people, and then Trump can come in; and now you look at Rick Perry, who's desperately trying to stay on that stage.
I think the other thing, too, is I think that Trump right now is 2016's Newt Gingrich. He's kind of -- he's using the media antipathy to help to propel him even further along. Because there's only one thing people hate more than politicians. It's the media. When he hates on the media, everybody goes, "Yes! I hate it."
I just wish he wouldn't be so -- I think he shouldn't look at criticism as proof of disloyalty. When he goes after these conservative commentators, whether it's Jonah Goldberg, or Krauthammer. He just went after Penn Gillette. These are all really smart people. But I think when he hears criticism, he thinks, "They are being disloyal. I must crush them on Twitter." He doesn't have to. You're bigger than that.
BILA: Well, one thing we can say is that the debate stage with Donald Trump is going to be good. It's going to be good TV.
GUTFELD: But is it going to be...
BILA: Directly ahead, coming up, FOX's own Geraldo Rivera got inside the Mexican tunnel used by El Chapo used during his escape from a maximum- security prison. We'll give you an exclusive look. That's next.
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All right. Well, new details in the hunt for Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman. Mexican lawmakers say the notorious kingpin slipped into a tunnel dug through his cell. It took 18 minutes before prison guards sounded an alarm.
In a preview of a "Hannity" special airing tonight, Geraldo Rivera got an exclusive look inside the tunnel and the extensive rail system El Chapo used for his escape.
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GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: This is the way they moved all that dirt, 2,000 tons of dirt. This is the rail system that they developed. Come walk with me. This is one car. It -- here's a second car. And pushing it all, this motorcycle. This is how the dirt got out, and this is probably how El Chapo got out.
An amazing system that really takes mining expertise, and the fact that they managed to do it all under the noses of an entire nation is quite extraordinary.
I'm having flashbacks to Tora Bora, Afghanistan, December 2001, the caves and tunnel complex that hid Usama bin laden. I must say that bin laden had nothing on El Chapo. He dug a much better tunnel, much more impressively.
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SMITH: The key question: will El Chapo ever be found -- Jedediah?
BILA: Doubtful.
BOLLING: Say it the right way. El Chapo!
BILA: I can't believe -- like, looking at that footage, though, it's amazing what they were able to do. I mean, this is -- this is, like, a mile long; three stories deep. I look at that, I say we can't manage to build a fence to secure the border, and they managed to do this in a prison, get this guy out. I honestly -- this is the second prison escape. The last time he evaded capture for 13 years. He's got a lot of connections in all the right places. I doubt they find this guy -- Juan.
WILLIAMS: Well, the DEA chief thinks that the Mexicans, with help from the United States, will get them. Now Mexicans acting like, you know, we're the condescending big brother. So there's a little difficulty between the law enforcement organizations.
But Eric and I really want to move this conversation along, because of his wife.
SMITH: OK.
WILLIAMS: And the wife apparently -- I haven't seen a picture. But she's described as not only young. She's like, you know, 25 and he's, like, 65. But she is apparently one of the greatest beauties in the world, and she's the daughter to a cousin of his. Right?
BOLLING: She's related.
By the way, for the record, my wife thinks she's the most beautiful woman she's seen around.
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GUTFELD: By the way, El Chapo, if anyone is going to find him, you know it's going to be Geraldo. That's all I have to say. By the way, sensational reporting. Honestly, look at Geraldo: getting dirty, getting into the tunnels, riding through -- walking through those tunnels. Pretty, pretty impressive stuff.
SMITH: I mean, Greg, he's still at large. This is, I mean...
GUTFELD: You know where he's hiding?
SMITH: ... extradition.
GUTFELD: You know where he's hiding? In Geraldo's mustache.
You know what's the worst thing about escaping a Mexican prison? You're still in Mexico.
BOLLING: Maybe.
GUTFELD: Maybe. Actually, he might be in Guatemala. That -- this is what you just saw is the future amazing amusement park ride called Prison Escape. What a great idea. You go a mile in this little train thing. You pop out in the middle of the street. I'm telling you, it's a great idea.
By the way, this guy has a California driver's license. Do you know that El Chapo, or whatever his -- I don't even have a driver's license. He has a California driver's license.
BOLLING: But he won't need it to vote in the upcoming election.
GUTFELD: He doesn't need any I.D.
SMITH: Remember, the guy's estimated net worth is about a billion dollars.
BOLLING: I'm going way over this, baby.
SMITH: He can go anywhere.
BOLLING: I'm going to go with El Chapo is worth more than Donald.
WILLIAMS: I want to just give Greg some good news. Because the good news is PETA will get them. You know why PETA will get him?
GUTFELD: Why?
WILLIAMS: Because there was a little canary used in that tunnel.
GUTFELD: Oh, dear God. No.
WILLIAMS: Because they can see that -- make sure that the canary could breathe. And if the canary can breathe, El Chapo. So then they kill the canary and threw him in the trash can. PETA, go get El Chapo.
GUTFELD: Do we know when Geraldo is getting back? Because I asked him to stop by a pharmacy in Tijuana.
SMITH: All right. On that note, be sure to tune in to "Hannity" tonight at 10 p.m. Eastern time. Sean has got a one-hour special on the hunt for El Chapo.
Up next, the cage-free debate hits Hollywood. And A-listers like Brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling are crying foul. Find out what's ruffling their feathers when we return.
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WILLIAMS: Costco sparked a cage-free debate for buying eggs from suppliers that allegedly keep chickens in cages. Leading that debate, the Humane Society.
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PAUL SHAPIRO, HUMAN SOCIETY: Eight years ago Costco announced that it would go 100 percent cage-free with its egg supply. Nearly a decade later, the company has yet to fulfill that pledge.
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WILLIAMS: The Humane Society isn't the only group upset. So are some celebrities like Hollywood A-listers Brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling.
Pitt wrote a protest letter to the company. This is what it said: "I admire Costco's many positive social commitments. You've shown great courage and integrity on a range of issues. Won't you please extend that sensibility and basic decency to chickens?"
Well, now, you know, the thing is I'm in a position where Greg Gutfeld is spitting at this table and, you know, they say to me keep it short. But I've got to ask you, Greg, chickens?
GUTFELD: This is actually really interesting. This illustrates the guilty mind at work. If you choose to ignore or accept the more heinous acts of a modern civilization, you find a false sense of compassion in less horrific examples.
For example, you're outraged over eggs but not fetuses. That's what you're seeing. None of these guys wrote a letter about that. And they choose intellectually-baffling crusades, because it makes up for their himbo insecurity. They're known for their handsomeness, so they need the recognition of being brainy.
WILLIAMS: Now for a...
GUTFELD: Sorry.
WILLIAMS: ... different point of view, Ms. Jedediah Bila.
BILA: Look, I'm outraged by ISIS, but I also have done research on these cages. They're horrific. They are. They force feed them. They clip their beaks. There's less than a sheet of paper between them sometimes. They don't feed them properly, which then means that you're not fed properly, because you're eating the eggs.
So not only should it be cage free, but it should be free range. They should be allowed to roam. And they shouldn't be fed hormones and antibiotics. And if you care about your own body, you're going to care about what you put in it, which are those eggs that come from these chickens.
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GUTFELD: Free range gives chickens a false sense of freedom.
WILLIAMS: I've got to tell you, audience, you think about Harvard debating society got nothing on "The Five."
My friend Eric Bolling.
BOLLING: Can I be a hypocrite? The company of what -- look, I think the companies should dictate how they handle their chickens and their eggs. If people are asking for chickens -- free-range chickens and free-range eggs, they should supply that.
There is another issue, though, that -- it's the puppy mills. This is a far bigger issue and a lot more important issue, where people are producing puppies in these mills. And they're disgusting. They're filthy. And these dogs aren't being bought or taken care of, and they're being killed. I just think -- so hypocritically, I'm going to say...
WILLIAMS: What's hypocrite?
SMITH: Hold on. No, these people, Hollywood, they don't understand the unintended consequences of some of their demands. I mean, on a very serious note, this will and could raise the cost of, you know, middle America to go buy their eggs. I'm serious.
BOLLING: An egg?
SMITH: Yes. Absolutely. And they demand changes like this. Eric, this is a very serious point.
BOLLING: I'm on your side on that one.
SMITH: OK. Good. And at the same time, these are the same people, by the way, who think they're saving the environment when they ask for paper rather than plastic at the grocery store.
WILLIAMS: You know, the thing is that she's the most sensitive and caring person here. So you just heard it from Sandra.
"One More Thing" up next.
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BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." And Greg kicks it off.
GUTFELD: Let's start with this.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Lying News.
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GUTFELD: I'm going to show you two videos. One from President Obama, one from Mr. Kerry on the Iranian deal. Go.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If the question is why we did not tie the negotiations to their release, think about the logic that creates. Suddenly Iran realizes, "You know what? Maybe we can get additional concessions out of the Americans by holding these individuals."
JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: There was not a meeting that took place, not one meeting that took place, believe me -- that's not an exaggeration -- where we did not raise the issue of our American citizens being held.
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GUTFELD: See, we knew it didn't make sense when he first heard it. He said he was keeping the negotiations for hostages and nukes separate. That didn't make sense, because choosing not to negotiate for something because it's hard to negotiate didn't make sense; because he was lying. He's a liar.
Damn him.
BOLLING: All right. Three weeks ago, we did a special on "The Factor" called "The Growing Terror Threat." In it, we warned of future homegrown attacks.
Now just 21 days later, it happened again, and a radical Muslim has killed four Marines on American soil. So tonight on "The Factor," we're going to deconstruct what's happening and talk about what we should be doing to keep this country safe. Colonel Peters, Colonel Shaffer (ph) on it, Rick Burnell (ph), Dr. Judi Gasser, and two victims of the Ft. Hood terror attack. That's "The Factor: Terror on the Home Front" tonight, 8 p.m. I hope you'll stick around and watch that one.
All right. Juan, you're up.
WILLIAMS: So yesterday "FOX & Friends" had me on to do a "Cooking with Friends" segment, and I brought my wife because guess what? Our favorite summer dish, blue crabs from Maryland, steamed, you know, with silver queen corn and tomatoes and all that good stuff. So here we are.
BILA: Great.
WILLIAMS: I know, I know.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Watch your fingers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There we go.
WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you, I think this is perfume. There's no smell like blue crabs.
STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": Do you eat the shell? I guess they're not soft shells.
WILLIAMS: No.
DOOCY: I'm from Kansas. We don't have many crabs.
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GUTFELD: You're worried about chicken eggs? You just boiled some crabs.
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BOLLING: Jed, you're up.
BILA: There's a hitchhiking robot trying to make its way across the country. He's adorable, and he wants you to pick him up. Check it out.
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ROBOTIC VOICE: I'm a very talkative robot. During my travels I have been working on my human language skills. I have also been doing my homework on American culture and have a lot of things to talk to you about. I'm all set and ready to go, and I cannot wait to make friends along the way.
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BILA: She has a GPS and a camera. So just think about where you might put them when you're traveling. Just saying.
GUTFELD: I wouldn't pick that up.
SMITH: I'm going to end this one. Disneyland, Anaheim, California, Disneyland turned 60 today. It opened its doors July 17, 1955. Eighteen attractions the day it opened. It now has 51. It was a dollar on opening day. It's now about a hundred bucks to enter into the park, 700 million guests later. Disneyland 60 today.
BILA: Wow.
BOLLING: Fantastic. All right. Last thoughts? Robots?
BILA: I'll adopt that robot. Come home to mama, baby.
WILLIAMS: The only person to pick up that robot is Greg.
GUTFELD: Yes. We've got to go.
SMITH: By the way, thanks for having me.
BOLLING: Have a great weekend, everybody. "Special Report" is on deck.
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