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Is Gov. Scott Walker the GOP's 'forgotten front-runner'?

Wisconsin governor announces 2016 presidential bid

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 13, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Geraldo Rivera, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Jesse Watters. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Scott Walker is running for president and in a little over an hour from now, the governor is going to make a formal announcement in his home state of Wisconsin. You're looking live at the crowd gathering in Waukesha. Walker is joining a very crowded field of republican candidates, but some pundits and democrats place him at the top of the pack.

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CHUCK TODD, MEET THE PRESS SHOW HOST: Scott Walker, that by the forgotten frontrunner, I've been calling him.

MATT BAI, NATIONAL POLITICAL COLUMNIST, YAHOO NEWS: He should fit.

TODD: Because he's still the frontrunner.

DANA BASH, CNN STATE OF THE UNION HOST: Who would be tougher to beat, Jeb Bush or Scott Walker?

DAN PFEIFFER, SPOKESMAN TO VICE PRESIDENT AL GORE: Scott Walker.

BASH: Why?

PFEIFFER: Because the best case for his wins could make is change has more of the same. If he gonna run for just a repeat of the Bush years, democrats would love to have that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: The democratic frontrunner is already taking them on. Here is Hillary Clinton today, attacking Walker for taking a tough stance against unions.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, 2016 GOP CANDIDATES: Republican governors like Scott Walker have made their names stomping on workers' rights, and practically, all the republican candidates hope to do the same as president. I will fight back against these mean-spirited misguided attacks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Well, she speaks. Apparently, it seems of it that Scott Walker has the attention of Hillary Clinton.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, according to Dan Pfeiffer, who was at the White House for eight years and he was on Obama Team that defeated Hillary Clinton. I think that's worth listening to, that they think Scott Walker is a threat. Wisconsin is one of those states that republican presidential candidates always just comes this close and never have quite clenched it or spend a long time. So Scott Walker, not only does he have the support of a lot of people across the board, (inaudible) has been a fan of his for a long time. And a lot of people got to know about Scott Walker that lead to this election because of that program, the coverage that got him Weekly Standard and Wall Street Journal, things like that. But republicans have a hard time winning that in a presidential election year. So I think that if Hillary Clinton wanted to show a little bit of concern today, that was probably a worthwhile shot that she took at him.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, absolutely. Now, Bolling, you know Scott Walker. In fact, you introduced me to him at the last convention, yeah.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So what a great guy. And that's the thing about Scott Walker. He's different from the rest of the field, in fact, either side of the field in this. When you meet the guy, you shake his hand, he looks at you and you know he's talking to you. He's a genuine person. But -- a genuine person even not concerning the politician in him, but also the numbers he's putting up. If you look at Wisconsin, Wisconsin was very much in the red when he took over. He fixed that budget. He fixed the pension situation in Wisconsin, and he beat collective bargaining. When he beat collective bargaining, he got recalled. He got recalled the second time. He won both of those. If I were a democrat, I would worry about Scott Walker because he resonates with the base and also the real people as well on the right. So if he were to go up against to Hillary Clinton, wait, he has real numbers to go. By the way, so does John Kasich and another republican governor in Florida, Rick Scott has also done the same thing.
They've taken states that were very much in the red, losing money, during the midst of very popular states with real solid pension reform.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So Geraldo, what do you think of him?

GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: Well, I think that collective bargaining is a good thing between unions and management, when management is in the private sector and it's the money of the company that they're protecting. The problem with collective bargaining when it comes to public sector unions is that they're negotiating away taxpayer money. They tend to be much more generous. That's why I support Governor Walker's stance against the public sector unions. It may surprise on people when I say that. So I think that he has shown admirable courage and it's a very difficult fight from to take on in Wisconsin, which has a history of strength in the labor movement. What I don't like about Governor Walker is that his position on immigration changed to be has much more tough, much tougher. A lot like Senator Rubio's position. Senator McCain's position on immigration, when push came to shove, they backed down on the reforms that they supported initially. He's become much, much tougher on immigration since he saw that his tea parties supporters did not like his more moderate stance. And what I consider the litmus test in Iowa is how the candidates respond on the issue of ethanol. You know this corn-based fuel. If you were in favor of ethanol before and -- or if you were against ethanol before, you come to Iowa, you say you're all for it. Then I say, yeah, you know you're just another politician. And Walker definitely came out in favor of ethanol after this presidential aspiration became known.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Jesse?

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, Hillary flip-flopped on immigration. Until I think at one point, she was against driver's licenses for illegals and now all of a sudden she's for it and she's everything. You know I want to invite to come over here. Scott Walker is a great guy. He's every effective, that's why the democrats are afraid of him. He makes democrats run across state lines. I'd love to see him in the White House, just like to watch Nancy Pelosi high tail out of there in a little Prius.
But he is so effective and they're so afraid of him because like what you said, look what he did there, he took a $3.6 billion surplus -- deficit turned it into a 500 million surplus. Unemployment went from 10.1 to 4.4 million, and he created 135,000 jobs and 10,000 new businesses. So I think at one point, the left-wing media tried to attack him, didn't have any success at all. They had to retract The New York Times had a job on him.
They said at one point, you know he doesn't have a college education. But all you can say to that is you know, Biden.

PERINO: Degree.

WATTERS: Got tons of degrees. You know, look at Biden. So either right now, I think he's number two nationally.

BOLLING: Or Obama.

WATTERS: Or Obama.

BOLLING: Even better.

WATTERS: And right now he's number two nationally.

RIVERA: How would he fear?

WATTERS: And he's number one in Iowa.

RIVERA: How would he fear of standing opposite Donald Trump on the stage?
Trump will be taller by a head, will be much more commanding. Scott Walker has kind of a bureaucrat, kind of -- he's a little guy. I don't mean size wise, but that's.

WATTERS: Well, I don't anybody looks kid against trump on the stage. From what I saw in Iowa, he had a real barn burner. And that's what kind of catapult in him to number one right there in Iowa right now.

PERINO: He does have, unlike some of the other republicans candidates, he has this everyday -- every guy quality.

GUILFOYLE: He does.

PERINO: And one of the things I'd like -- I'd really like about their rollout. First of all, it's lasted for about -- and maintained interest for several months and including the entire day leading up to a 6:00 p.m. -- you can watch it live here. So I think the rollout has been good. He's -- you know he rides a Harley and he goes around -- he's been up going on the Harley station. He also has put together a really good team. He's hired some really good people in Rick Wiley and Ashlee Strong.

RIVERA: Did they --

GUILFOYLE: But sounds like he has got your attention.

PERINO: I know him well, and I think he's a good guy. And I will -- I'd to see the debate. I'm very excited about the debate, which is about three weeks from this Thursday, because that's really gonna be the first time where everybody gets a chance to see how they react. One of the things that I would recommend to all of them is that they better know their record, better than their opponents know their record because that is the first thing that can trip them up.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's a bad move too. Somebody knows your record better than you do and they're bringing up questions and you can't answer them. Or they have the facts, better stats, then you're game over because you're not going to look prepared.

RIVERA: I wonder if his crack team advised him to compare. He's defeating the unionists in Wisconsin to defeating ISIS. You know zero reform politics.

PERINO: Probably not. Look, I think that --

WATTERS: Oh, neither President Obama.

RIVERA: No experience.

WATTERS: And look what happened. I mean, it doesn't matter what you have in your background. Once you become commander in chief, let it slide.

GUILFOYLE: All right, well, as we mentioned in this segment already, Donald Trump, someone with definitely with a commanding presence, still dominating the news cycle. So another GOP hopeful, right? Donald Trump up on that stage, let's see. How should the other candidates deal with the Donald?
Here are some of their latest responses.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS CHRISTIE, 2016 GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald is a friend. I've known him for 13 years and I like him personally, but his comments are inappropriate. That's number 50th Trumps must say. It's gonna be the last time I say it because you know, but no, seriously. When I'm out there talking to folks, nobody in the real world asks me about this, nobody.

CARLY FIORINA, 2016 GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have been in New Hampshire now for six days, and I have not been asked a single question about Donald Trump. On the other hand, I think Donald Trump taps into anger that I hear every day.

BRET BAIER, SPECIAL REPORT WITH BRET BAIER SHOW HOST: Donald Trump. Is he bad for the GOP?

JEB BUSH, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I've already stated my views about Donald Trump.

BAIER: You're done?

BUSH: I'm done.

BAIER: You're through?

BUSH: I'm through. I gave my views. I just think that we need to be much more hopeful enough, optimistic about our ideology.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. Those are the answers. He was saying enough. They say, you know, "Talk about me, my candidacy. What I have to offer, my positions, my level of preparedness and ideology versus the other guy." That makes sense, Eric, right? They want to focus on.

BOLLING: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: They have to bring for the table.

BOLLING: Well, they don't want to give him anymore of the spotlight than he's already commanding. As he is right now, if you saw some of the GOP studies it's like 48 percent of all the social media activity is Donald Trump. And the other 14 now are splitting the balance, same goes with the media. I find it very hard to believe Chris Christie that they don't ask you about Donald Trump. It will be one of the first.

RIVERA: What was Carly Fiorina?

BOLLING: Well, I find it very hard to believe.

RIVERA: It's impossible to do.

PERINO: They're lying?

BOLLING: It's impossible.

RIVERA: It's impossible to do.

BOLLING: Right, I would say Chris Christie doesn't want to give Donald Trump anymore of the spotlight. Yes, so he's gonna say, they don't really ask me about that. I find it very concerning as a conservative on Fox and talk that I see other conservatives come on Fox. And rather than pointing the focus at the opponent, which is Hillary Clinton, the democrats, let's get the White House back. The focus, the guns are pointed directly at Donald Trump. They've called him a sideshow. They've called him a clown act. They called -- I don't want to get into a food fight with him. Really, guys? Come on let's go. The opponent is liberal progressivism, not Donald Trump.

RIVERA: I thought the biggest surprise in the national poll that showed Trump tied essentially with Jeb Bush was that Chris Christie from out of nowhere was getting over 9 percent. He was in third place, if you considered the other two first. And second, they were tied.

PERINO: I noticed that too.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

RIVERA: They have Chris Christie at nine-plus. Where the hell did that come from? How did --

PERINO: Because I actually, things that in.

RIVERA: How this guy being come up?

PERINO: In New Hampshire where he spend a lot of time and same with Carly Fiorina. The feedback on both of them on the ground is that they are personable. They're attracting good crowds and I don't think that Christie or Carly Fiorina is lying when they say that people in New Hampshire aren't asking them about Trump. I think that when they do media interviews, they are asked about him. I -- that is what it is. I also think that in order to get to a point where you can attack Hillary Clinton, you know, when you're trying to get to that critical debate stage on August 6th, when there's 15 people that you're running up against, of course, you're gonna have to talk about the other republicans.

GUILFOYLE: yeah, but Danny, you bring up a great point because the feedback from New Hampshire is very considerable and strong about Chris Christie.
And from months ago, I know, from --

BOLLING: But can I just clarify that it's not.

GUILFOYLE: Insider is on the camp, that that was his whole focus and strategy, with a strong.

BOLLING: Dana, some -- what I said was the pundits coming out. I'm not talking about the other candidates. I understand why other candidates take a shot at someone who may be ahead. Where Chris Christie, I think he is his real clear politics average is somewhere around 6 percent, taking a shot at.

RIVERA: But this is wrong. This surgeon (ph) is.

BOLLING: No. No, no, but my point is these pundits.

RIVERA: Listen.

BOLLING: Republican pundits coming on, taking shots at frontrunners. It doesn't make sense. Its part of the reason why the GOP is gonna have such a hard time winning another presidential election.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but it's so early on. And right now they have to distinguish themselves amongst the available choices. Made a case from themselves to say, hey, choose me. There's this guy and that guy. But this is what's wrong with them. And then you take down the next, the real opponent.

WATTERS: Right. I wouldn't want to tango with Trump either because he'll just drop a new gun (ph) on you or you look like an idiot. He'll go after your looks. So he'll go after anything. And then you left sitting there staggering and it doesn't look good. I think what you have to do is say, you know what, kind of laugh at all, make fun of his hair maybe because he'll eventually, want to still play golf at his course, right. But I -- Trump is not -- he's not going to win the nomination, but Trump has tapped into the red-blooded American bloodstream right now. The people that are sick of watching a skinny community organizer go out there and run this country into the ground and they want to see more muscular approach.

RIVERA: You refer to your president as a skinny community organizer?

WATTERS: I do.

RIVERA: So disrespectful.

WATTERS: No, I don't think so. I think you've said a lot worse about republicans.

RIVERA: And Trump who is my friend is going to learn that immigration is like a cheap drug. You get a big bang, a real quick high, and a very long hangover.

WATTERS: Well, it's not a quick high when people are being murdered in San Francisco.

RIVERA: With it.

WATTERS: That is not a quick -- it's not a quick high when people.

RIVERA: It is the cheapest.

WATTERS: Escaping prison in Mexico.

RIVERA: That's the cheapest shot of all.

WATTERS: And selling heroin and cocaine to all the children, Geraldo.

RIVERA: To exploit that misery of that family.

WATTERS: It's not exploiting it.

RIVERA: It is exactly.

WATTERS: You're exploiting it by downplaying it.

RIVERA: It has nothing to do with immigration.

BOLLING: Geraldo.

WATTERS: How it is not?

BOLLING: But Trump's.

WATTERS: It's a sanctuary policy.

BOLLING: You did -- you've been doing this on the air. You're equating Trump's comments with all immigrants. What he had said was, and we've talked about this quite a bit is Trump's comments, specifically pointed at illegals.

RIVERA: I'm talking about the reaction to Trump. And you tell me that it is not an immigration response.

BOLLING: I think -- Jesse is right. I think that it is tapping into the web wide mainstream.

RIVERA: It is exploiting.

BOLLING: A heartfelt interest the American.

RIVERA: It is exploiting and sensationalizing.

BOLLING: From a guy who exploits and sensationalized everything.

RIVERA: Are you talking to me?

BOLLING: Yes.

RIVERA: You're lucky that you're my friend. I would knock you out right now.

BOLLING: Well, we could be.

RIVERA: That's absolute BS.

BOLLING: We could take this up later.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: OK.

RIVERA: That is absolute bogus, BS.

BOLLING: Are you saying that Trump is exploiting.

RIVERA: You thought, I exploit and sensationalize. What did you do? Where do you get your stuff from?

BOLLING: I - Geraldo, I'm to --

RIVERA: Your right-wing --

BOLLING: You're saying that Donald Trump is.

RIBERA: Pundits is giving you crap.

BOLLING: Exploiting a woman's death.

GUILFOYLE: All right. OK. Control room?

RIVERA: Get it out.

BOLLING: It's her death.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

BOLLING: You're --

RIVERA: I don't --

BOLLING: You're downplaying it.

GUILFOYLE: We're gonna have a commercial coming up. It's probably a good time to roll the bow flex commercial. Something like that? I saw that on movie once.

Coming up, the parents of the woman gunned down by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco, share their heartbreaking story with Bill O'Reilly. See that first clip from that exclusive interview, next.

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BOLLING: Their daughter was murdered by an illegal immigrant while talking a walk on a pier in San Francisco this month. Kathryn Steinle would have been alive today. A suspect Francisco Sanchez was turned over to the feds for deportation. As requested, the sanctuary city let him free instead, her parents just in the interview, exclusively with Bill O'Reilly airing tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. In a preview clip, Jim Steinle describes that horrific day when his daughter was gunned down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIM STEINLE, KATE STEINLE'S FATHER: We turned around and came back from where we came and we heard a shot, and Kate went down and the rest, we all know what happened then.

BILL O'REILLY, THE O'REILLY FACTOR SHOW HOST: What did she say before she went down?

STEINLE: Help me, dad.

O'REILLY: Wow (ph).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: O'Reilly is pushing for what he calls Kate's law, which would impose a mandatory minimum of five years for any illegal, alien deported who comes back. Steinle's dad supports it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O'REILLY: You indicated that you do support Kate's law. Why?

STEINLE: Well, I just -- I support Kate's law because it would be a legacy in her name and her death would not go unnoticed. We feel the federal state and cities -- their laws are here to protect us, that we feel that this particular set of circumstances and the people involved at the different agencies let us down.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: OK. So Geraldo, again, (inaudible), this is a father, the grieving parents.

RIVERA: Horrible, horrible.

BOLLING: It's horrible, but this is what they're tapping into, this is what it's all about.

RIVERA: I'm not sure what you're specifically referring to. If you're saying that the murder by this scum dog with the record as long as my arm or who should have been in prison or in Mexico was directly resulting because of Obama's immigration policy, then I disagree with you.

BOLLING: I am.

RIVERA: Respectfully.

BOLLING: And I thought it was Bill O'Reilly by the way.

RIVERA: First of all, our Bill O'Reilly is not here. If he were here, he and I famously had our head to head on this issue as well. If bill were here, I would say to him that mandatory minimum sentences -- that's essentially what Kate's law is as I understand it. Five law minimum -- five year minimum for felony re-entry. Basically, Francisco Sanchez did almost five years on the three. As I understand it, felony re-entry, he came back three times and gets 14 plus years, it was almost five years. But what happens? There was it, I know how unpopular my position is with almost everybody watching. Still, I feel strongly about how I feel. I believe that mandatory minimums, let's say in the case of immigration -- let's say it was a dad who came in with his family or he had children here, he has three children, that his children -- he gets deported. He gets caught speeding, he gets deported. OK, it's working without pay, so he gets deported. So now his family is here, three of them citizens under my scenario. He comes back because his family is hungry. He gets arrested for felony re-entry. Does he do five years along with the murderer and the rapist and the drug dealer?
The judges need some discretion. Mandatory minimum is what filled our prisons with non-violence drug offenders. Mandatory minimums don't work.

BOLLING: All right. Let me -- and Bill O'Reilly did address that. He said maybe there's some room for making it felony re-entry. You know there are felons that leave and come back with only records. K.G. --

GUILFOYLE: The idea (inaudible).

BOLLING: 400,000 people have signed the petition on billoreilly.com.

GUILFOYLE: Sure. Sure.

BOLLING: Apparently, we -- he is touching it there.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible) percent of likely that there is sync (ph) to Justice Department should take legal action against cities by sanctuary for illegal immigrants. So there is a strong public will, a stomach to do something about this so that we don't see senseless loss of life like we did with this beautiful young Steinle girl. It's very sad. I am completely -- for people upholding law, I don't understand -- I don't believe in the sanctuary city philosophy. Having worked at the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office, having worked at the San Francisco District Attorney's Office and the voter of a large portion you have -- of my adult life these causes and to making the city safe, right? Public safety should be about most concern. Especially, when you're dealing with recidivist and people who are constantly, just thumbing their nose at the law, the laws of this country, illegally coming back in, they are also committing crimes against communities, it's unacceptable. Something has to be done.

BOLLING: Let me read to Jesse. Jesse, there's a representative in Arizona, Matt Salmon who introduced a legislation that kind of mirrors the petition.

WATTERS: Right. I mean, I don't think even think so much. It's an issue about these felonies. I think it's more about getting rid of the sanctuary cities. It is not so I think they should do. And it's a total hypocrisy on the left for at one hand. You know to say, you know, we should be able to ignore federal immigration law and immigration, so it is OK if cities ignore federal immigration law on gay marriage? I mean, you can't have it both ways unless it is anarchy. And the president has been a huge hypocrite on this issue too. You know, he wants to investigate the Ferguson Police Department. When someone gets shot there, but doesn't want to do anything with San Francisco Police Department. And he wants to have a national conversation about race, when a black kid gets shot but a cop when he attacks. But then a white woman gets shot by an illegal alien because of policies that he supports and he hasn't said a word, OK. It's total hypocrisy here. And I think it's not just as it is his sanctuary city policies and ICE releasing all of these illegal aliens -- criminal aliens.
Record of murderers, kidnappers, sex offenders, that has cost lives. So the president himself has blood on his hands too. And he's (inaudible) her all the way. Geraldo, it's true.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: There have been 100 murders.

RIVERA: Let me ask you a question.

WATTERS: Since these police had taken place.

RIVERA: Let me ask you a question. Here's a rapist. All right, a rape victim in New York City, a rape victim. He's -- 18-year-old girl. She's been brutally raped. She knows that if it's not a sanctuary city, she goes to the cops -- guess what? She complains about the rape, and now she's undocumented immigrant. She gets deported. So she can't complain to the cops because.

WATTERS: Geraldo, in your world. Geraldo.

RIVERA: If she complains, she gets deported.

WATTERS: In your world, you're acting as if all these illegal aliens are running to police departments, acting columbo (ph) you know, tipping off cops to solve murders. It doesn't happen that way. To be honest with you, one life is.

BOLLING: Guys, I want to bring Dana on this.

WATTERS: Worth saving, getting rid of sanctuary cities.

BOLLING: Dana, Jesse brought up Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and also Freddie Gray. The president, either sent someone, made a very public commentary on his own or in some cases, actually showed up himself in the case of.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: Charleston. Should he have done something here, should?

PERINO: Well, when the White House first started down this road, this is six years ago, when they started commenting on individually or isolated local crime cases. I immediately thought he do it for one, you're gonna be asked about the next and the next. They've continue to make a choice and they've made a priority of certain cases and not others. In fact, tonight I'm going to be on Megyn Kelly's show because she brought this up last week and she's been asking the White House. And Brad Steinle, Kate Steinle's brother is going to be on addressing this issue, whether the president should have addressed it at all. And that's going to be live tonight. I'm going to get a chance to react to that. I do think that the White House bears some responsibility for the questions that are coming their way because of previous cases they've decided to talk about.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: And ignore others.

GUILFOYLE: Why not this one?

BOLLING: All right. We gonna to leave it right there. Guys, I'm sorry they're wrapping us. Catch O'Reilly's entire exclusive interview with Kathryn Steinle's parents tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern.

All right, up next here, Hillary Clinton launched the fairness crusade today in New York City. How she plans to punish your success if you elect her, when The Five returns.

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PERINO: Hillary Clinton unveiled her economic vision for America today, an economy where everyone must share their prosperity because she says it is only fair.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to build a growth and fairness economy. We can't build strong families and support our consumer economy without more fairness. Those at the top have to pay their fair share. An America built on growth and fairness.

Please join me in that mission. Let's do it together.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: And according to Hillary, companies need to help make America more fair.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: We need new ideas as well, and one that I believe in and will fight for is profit sharing. Hard-working Americans deserve to benefit from the record corporate earnings they help produce. So I will propose ways to encourage companies to share profits with their employees. That's good for workers and good for businesses.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. I wish you guys could have heard the commentary. This is the reaction. It was like, really, what is she saying?

Eric, take it away.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: They have company. Every single, public corporation has a profit sharing plan. It's called stock. So if you want to pay your employees in stock, go for it. They are profit sharing. In fact, I would encourage that. That gives them incentive to work harder.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Get in the game.

BOLLING: Skin in the game, work harder, the stock price goes up. You'll participate more. Great idea. However, that's not what she was talking about.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: She was talking about an internal redistribution within business. We already know she wants to do it within the match of people.
She wants to take more taxes, more debt, more spending, basically for eight more years of Obama. It's not going to work.

This is what we're seeing right here, right now is Hillary Clinton trying to box out Bernie Sanders. She did the Elizabeth Warren thing when Elizabeth Warren was making some waves. Now Bernie Sanders is making some waves. She's saying I can out Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders. I can out Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren. She wants to be the last man standing and she just might be.

PERINO: And, actually, speaking of Bernie Sanders, if you look at Kevin Williamson's cover story from his weekend with Bernie in "The National Review," it was fantastic. Everybody should read that.

Kim, I want to ask you something. She was talking about -- she actually took a shot at President Obama for not filing any criminal cases against any of the bankers, you know, she called hedge funds. She said hedge funding is criminal behavior. But think about this is that Attorney General Eric Holder was not a shrinking violet when it came to progressive causes.

Doesn't it mean that he didn't have a case to make if they didn't bring one?

KIMBERLY, CO-HOST: You know, I don't -- I mean, I think she's going to say whatever it takes at this point to shore up her base and to keep the other two out. To keep the people who love Elizabeth Warren, the Bernie Sanders zombies. All those people away.

She's going to say, look, you don't need to look any further for another candidate. I'm telling you that I'm going to go further than President Obama, further than Eric Holder did. And we're going to find a way to do it.

What's vastly hypocritical is the fact that she loves bankers' money.
She does love Wall Street money.

PERINO: And Wall Street will probably still support her like they have all the other democrats.

Can we listen to this? Because she was talking about profit sharing economy. Now this is talking about companies like UBER and Airbnb. She didn't actually say the words, but this is what she meant.

Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: Many Americans are making extra money, renting out a spare room designing Web sites, selling products they design themselves at home or even driving their own car.

This on demand or so called gig economy is creating exciting opportunities and unleashing innovation, but it's also raising hard questions about workplace protections and what a good job will look like in the future.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: So it's interesting because progressives -- almost what she's saying is like the progressive new way of dealing with the economy, but now she's against it.

BOLLING: Yes, I mean, it's like, why are you attacking Uber? It's like you are trying to lose a millennial vote.

What is she going to attack, like iPhones next?

It's silly. I mean, maybe she's attacking Uber because she hasn't driven a car in thirty years.

GUILFOYLE: And she has a Scooby van.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: That's right. She has a Scooby van.

PERINO: She doesn't even need Uber.

BOLLING: That's right, she doesn't need. Maybe Bill needs Uber but who knows.

I mean, the point is the only way Hillary knows how to make money is to ask donors for it. She doesn't know anything about growing an economy.
Her idea of profit sharing is like selling sleepovers in the Lincoln bedroom.

And talk about fairness, Hillary, the most privileged woman in the world. I mean, she got her job through her husband. She makes 200,000 a speech. She gets her daughter a plum gig. And she ties up reporters who don't agree with her. Come on.

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PERINO: And that Geraldo, this was billed as a big, major speech for Hillary Clinton. It's one of her first big substantive ones of the campaign. Delivery wise.

[17:35:02] GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: Oh God.

PERINO: .that was not going to light the world on fire.

RIVERA: It was kind of fingernails on blackboard. But I want to just separate quickly the message from the messenger in terms of the message.

I would advise any Republican running to campaign in favor of a hike in the minimum wage and in favor of some kind of stockholder review of CEO compensation because these boards are just giving them 300 times what they pay their employees and I don't think it's fair. Even in the context of corporate --

BOLLING: You want a Republican to run on that?

RIVERA: I do.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Of course, he does.

RIVERA: Because I want a Republican to win.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Sabotage.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: You know she hasn't given or making interviews, and when she gave this major speech, you can see that she's not wearing well. You know, you want to love the first female -- you know, substantive female candidate for the highest office in the land, but you know she's not --

PERINO: She's not quite there yet.

RIVERA: She's not getting better with time. And I don't know how you fix it.

When you read a speech like that and it sounds teleprompterish and you hit all of the almost predictable lines.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

RIVERA: And it is kind of screechy. It's.

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GUILFOYLE: There's no blood flow in it. It's anemic.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I have to go look up "gig economy" in the commercial break.

GUILFOYLE: But now you know she's very beatable. You just saw it right there.

And you heard it from K.G.

All right, ahead, another dramatic prison escaped. This time the world's most notorious drug lord is on the run. The new manhunt for El Chapo -- next.

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[17:40:45] RIVERA: He is once again Mexico's most wanted fugitive, the drug lord El Chapo. It means "shorty" in Spanish. He did it a second time. He broke out of prison after being recaptured just last year. El Chapo escaped through a sophisticated mile long tunnel.

Should he have been imprisoned in the United States in the first place? He was wanted by U.S. prosecutors. Here's the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. GREG ABBOTT (R), TEXAS: We are deeply concerned. The cartels in Mexico who operate to some extent in the United States is something that posed a great danger. We are very frustrated because we expected him to be extradited to the United States, to be imprisoned here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

RIVERA: Well, they didn't extradite him because he's wanted on hundreds of murders in Mexico. Mexico wanted to put him in their own justice system.
We know what happened here.

Jesse, you joked in a commercial break, a couple of segments ago, that we set up the escape of El Chapo because we wanted that our guys grabbed him.

Listen to this report. This came a minute after you made that joke.

U.S. drug authorities knew of Mexican drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo"
Guzman's escape plans about a month after his arrest last year, according to internal Drug Enforcement Administration documents obtained by the Associated Press.

Do you think we sprung him from prison just to get him in Colorado Super Max?

JESSE WATTERS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Obama knew. Obama knew the plan.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: You mean, the community organizer.

WATTERS: They had a girl, give him the drill. He drilled out. And now we're going to capture him back and then Obama is going to give him amnesty right.

He's going to bring him in and let him go. No, but this guy is ridiculous. We knew he was going to do this. His cartel basically mastered the concept of drilling these tunnels underneath our border to get narcotics into this country and then everyone is shocked that this guy drilled out of prison? And this is the second time.

I don't know why they don't have this guy in a super max. It's unbelievable. I just like his name, El Chapo.

RIVERA: El Chapo. El Chapo.

Dana, doesn't Mexico, though, have sovereignty to -- I mean, he committed far more hideous crimes in Mexico than in the United States.

PERINO: They do. Although, it occurred to me that President Nieto might want to have criminals like this in America because, time and again, they've shown they've not been able to do it. So if they want to try and clean up corruption in their country and have more confidence in their government, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing to allow the Americans to hold him.

RIVERA: You know, Eric, it is pretty easy to bribe a guard. That's one thing. It is even easier when you seize a relative of a prison guard and you say to the prison guard if you don't turn around when I'm digging my tunnel, I'm going to kill your 3-year-old. That's the problem.

BOLLING: And I think that's how he got out the first time. He actually had some help because.

RIVERA: In the laundry basket.

BOLLING: Right, in the laundry basket. He had some family members of those prison guards who helped him get out.

Listen, all we need to do is just put up border security, some feds at San Francisco, and make sure he doesn't get into San Francisco or at the sanctuary city for El Chapo.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I knew that was coming.

WATTERS: This guy, 34,000 deaths are at least attributed to him in Mexico and here in America as well. A third to half of all illegal drugs coming to the country can be traced to his drug group. The DEA is ticked off that he wasn't extradited. They wanted him badly here. I don't blame them.
He's going to be found. He can't hide forever. He'll be found.

GUILFOYLE: He'll escape again. I mean, this is the problem. This isn't the first time this has happened.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: Yes, but won't they extradite him this time.

GUILFOYLE: You know, depending. Depending, you know, on who is in the White House and who puts pressure where. But, yes, they should learn their lesson and put him in a super max in the U.S. and see if he can tunnel his way out. Although, with our lack of border security, who knows?

But the problem is this guy is wanted in so many cities. I mean, Chicago, he's responsible for so many deaths. He's a huge exporter of heroin and cocaine, and methamphetamine. I mean, I hope we can catch him because last time it took 12 years in between.

[17:45:25] RIVERA: It took a long time, but also, if we continued to consume these illegal drugs in these massive amounts, some country, some place is going to be supplying them.

FSU's football coach -- changing topics here to football and the behavior of players off the field. The coach there at FSU has a plan, a massive plan for keeping his players out of trouble. He did have a plan.
He had two more arrested for punching women at bars. Jameis Winston, the Heisman Trophy winner a couple of years ago.

Will it work? Next.

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WATTERS: The coach of FSU's football team is reportedly cracking down on his players after two of them were involved in a violent bar incident recently.

Head coached Jimbo Fisher allegedly laid down the law, Saturday, and banned his entire team from going to bars. Freshmen quarterback De'Andre Johnson was dismissed last week after video surfaced of him punching a woman. Running back Dalvin Cook has been suspended indefinitely after he allegedly punched a woman outside the bar the day before.

So, Bolling, this FSU program not looking good right now. We had Jameis Winston stealing crab legs and getting.

(CROSSTALK)

Right. And now they have guys punching girl in the face. It's kicked up a notch now. This is crazy.

BOLLING: And FSU keeps getting caught. My suspicion, my hunch is every major college campus with a major football program or major basketball program similar things are going on. It may not be as highlighted as this one is.

[17:50:07] What you have is big man on campus syndrome. These guys walk around these campuses. They're highly recruited. They come out.
They're doing the school a favor by going to FSU or Florida or Alabama or wherever they may be going. And they feel entitled to act and do what they want to do above the law.

And when they do get caught what needs to happen is coaches, administrators, and teachers have to do -- have a zero tolerance.

There's none of this stuff, guys. Make an example out of these guys.
It's important as a starting quarterback is to you football program, you have to take him down. You have to throw them out of school. You have to prosecute them. And let everyone know that every single NCAA should be nailing this guy as well.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: Yes, they should be all over this program.

BOLLING: It's going to be zero tolerance.

WATTERS: Geraldo, can you tell a college student not to go to a bar? Do you think that's actually going to work?

RIVERA: Well, you can tell a college student who was on a team that if you want to stay on the team, he can't go to a bar.

But I just want to follow up on what Eric said, which I thought was correct. Even an analogue clock is right twice a day.

But the fact that this big man -- Jameis Winston, not only did he allegedly rape this woman who is now suing him. He instantly is counter suing her but not only did he allegedly rape her, but he's never been questioned.

They took days and then weeks and then months to really investigate the case. It was clear that the local law enforcement was in cahoots with the people running that program.

Look at the scandal we had at Penn State. FSU has managed to dodge this one and they should confront the fact that right now they have a toilet for an athletic program.

WATTERS: Right. But they have a very winning program and one of the reasons is because they investigated this, and these judges, the prosecutors, the local police, a lot of them are in on this. They sweep this under the rug. They misreport it when they write it down. And a lot of this gets -- there's corruption all over this.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. It is all about maintaining, you know, an excellent football program. They should punish these guys. They should have to go to class. They should be forced to have perfect attendance. They should be made to do community service as well. They're spoiled, rotten, and they are committing acts of violence.

They're not going to grow up to be good citizens. They're going to be men who end up committing domestic violence acts against their girlfriends or wives. And their children are going to be raised in a home and the cycle of violence continues, like grow up, FSU.

WATTERS: Quick, Dana, what do you know?

PERINO: I just want to say that if they're going to have a zero tolerance policy, they better enforce it and across the board. Hitting women is absolutely unacceptable.

WATTERS: Right.

PERINO: I would have expelled them. I mean, just telling them not to go to a bar.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: Yes, well, one of the guys is a Heisman frontrunner. So maybe that's why he was just suspended.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: And now what they're going to do is house party.

All right, "One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[17:56:21] GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing."

Eric?

BOLLING: So a couple of stories that -- foreign policy stories that have the potential to affect all Americans that we didn't really have time for in the show.

Greece and the EU apparently have come to an agreement on $100 billion bail out package for Greece. Again, bailing Greece out one more time. I would say that would be a bad idea, but apparently the markets like it.
The stock market rallied.

Also, the AP now reporting that early tomorrow morning we'll probably have an Iranian nuclear deal that John Kerry will have signed. He'll bring it back to the Congress. If by chance, it's not an anytime, anywhere inspection agreement in there, which doesn't look like it would be, I would suggest wholeheartedly that Congress push back on this deal.

GUILFOYLE: All right, good advice.

Geraldo?

RIVERA: Eric and I are childless right now because our daughters are at sleep-away camp, so we spent our time last night watching "To Kill a Mockingbird." The 1962 film starring Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch.

It was a wonderful, wonderful experience. It brought back all the memories. I just graduated high school when the film first came out. I read "To Kill a Mockingbird" my senior year in high school and then later in college. It was a wonderful hero, this man. To me, he helped forge my whole career direction.

He was this man, this white small town lawyer in the south who stands up for a black man falsely accused of rape. He loses the case anyway, but the way he portrays himself, the way he holds himself, the way he defends his client was magnificent. And a great lesson to his children in the book and in the movie and to all of us.

And to now see the sequel, Harper Lee's sequel "To Kill a Mockingbird", "Go Set a Watchman," in it Atticus Finch is no longer this great hero, he's a racist who totally absorbs the traditions of, you know, his small Alabama town and he says awful things about black people and he's in the KKK, it's just awful.

So we're going to discuss the length of "One More Thing."

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: That was quite a soliloquy. Geraldo Rivera, people.

OK, Dana?

PERINO: I can do mine, quick.

I want to recommend a new book that's on sale tomorrow by Arthur Brooks. The president of AEI. American Enterprise Institute. This is called "The Conservative Heart." And I recommend Bill McGurn of "The Wall Street Journal." He did an interview with him.

This is about how to build a fairer, happier and more prosperous America with conservative values. It also includes, what I like, the seven habits of highly effective conservative. How to talk to Americans, who will listen, which is kind of a novel approach.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: It is and we should use that.

PERINO: Sorry, Jesse.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So I had a great time this weekend at The Villages. It is probably one of the friendliest places on earth. And I did a book signing there at the Barnes & Noble. It was fantastic and a massive turn out tonight. That's where the heart of Fox News lives.

Right, Dana? You've been there.

Also, you can catch me tomorrow. I'll be in for a good friend, Elizabeth Hasselbeck on "Fox & Friends," nice, bright, and early. So I hope to see you there.

Jesse, what do you have?

WATTERS: All right. So, Curtis Jackson, a.k.a. 50 Cent, is down to his last 50 cents. The platinum selling rapper who made almost about $100 million on various business fields and record sales was sued over a sex tape and was just ordered to pay this woman $5 million. So when you see 50 Cent in the club, buy him a drink.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: What about all that vitamin water?

BOLLING: It's 50 Cent.

WATTERS: I don't go that way.

BOLLING: And he made close to $400 million. He made almost $100 million on vitamin water alone.

PERINO: What did he blow it all on?

BOLLING: Where did he spend it?

WATTERS: I have no idea.

GUILFOYLE: Probably women. That's what happens.

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